The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Epstein, Anti-Zionism, Major Questions Doctrine and the Comedy Culture Shift.

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

Noam Dworman, Dan Naturman and Periel Aschenbrand are joined by bestselling author and award-winning journalist, Jesse Brown. Brown is the founder and editor of Canadaland. He won the Hillman Prize for Investigative reporting for breaking the Jian Ghomeshi scandal and the Canadian Screen Award for Best Factual Series for the television documentary Thunder Bay. He is a bestselling author and reporter and host of the podcast, What Is Happening Here. 

Do you have it, Plifton? Hey now! This is live from the table, the official podcast of the world-famous comedy seller coming at you on, not on series. Sorry, let's start that again. No, it's okay. Just go ahead. All right, fuck it. Yeah, we're available wherever you get your podcasts.

And in particular on YouTube, which is a multimedia experience. Dan Natterman here, along with Nome Dwarman, the owner of the ever-expanding comedy cellar with a new location on West 3rd Street and 16th. Avenue opening soon. We also have Peril Ashen Brand here, author of The Only Wish I Trust is My Own. And what's the other book you had? On My Knees. On My Knees. Available

wherever fine books is sold. And we have a guest coming in a bit. He's not here yet, but we look forward to his arrival imminently. I have a few things to say before the guest comes. First of all, this happened to me the other night. I'm looking at my phone and it says,

Tracker, traveling with you. Unknown Apple air tag detected. The owner of this tracker can see its location. Have you gotten this on your phone? I have not. This is very disconcerting. You know, it turned out to just be in the purse of the massage parlor girl I was with. No, no. So, no, so I figured out what it was. It was because Liz had given me a new key to the place around the corner. She put a tracker on it. So we wouldn't lose the keys. But it's a brand new feature, I guess, on Android phones. And, and And so, but it took me a long time. I said, what the fuck?

Is my wife tracking me? That's what I thought. Yeah. She's not usually very tech savvy. But, so that's number one. I just thought it was funny. I don't know if it was happening. Would you be upset if she were tracking you?

Would I be upset? I would, I would never tell her that I detected that. And then I would use it for disinformation. You would be like the allies who didn't reveal to the Germans that they had cracked the code. Yes. I would put the tracker in a hotel room. And then I have some surprise, like a surprise part.

Surprise! Happy birthday! That would be a great idea. Yeah, that would be a good idea. You know, she'd show up. Do you think that it would be unreasonable for her to track you? It's in violation of my privacy. Are the mics even clipped at because I hear myself much lower than everyone else?

It would be a total violation of my privacy. to track me. What did? Yes. Anyway, okay, that's number one. Number two, the state of the union address, Dan? Yes, I watched it. You did not?

I did. Well, you know, honestly, I put it on and I fell asleep immediately. Well, my thoughts were... Move over to the left, do a little bit? To left. This is not the left. It's my left. Okay, yeah.

Clifford, is that better? One second. Go ahead. Well, first of all, we had a guest on relatively recently that said Trump has dementia. This was a man that spoke for two hours. He did not... I don't remember that. Go ahead.

He did not make a single error. I mean, I guess he was reading from a teleprompter, but I assume he was ad-libbing. He never sticks to the teleprompter. And even if he was reading from a teleprompter, I don't think a guy with dementia could read for two hours without a single error. I mean, I don't know. Maybe he could. No, I can. You know.

Gavin Newsom can't. Go ahead. So this is not a man with dementia. You know. So this is the product of a perfectly sane and healthy mind. Yes. Imagine if he had dementia. And, you know, he spoke a lot about Biden ruining the country and him coming along to save it in the nick of time.

Well, I was at the White House. You know, I got a tour of the White House last week. And I saw this walk of fame. I mean, you know, it's so vulgar. It's so awful, but it's so funny. I can't deny it. It has a picture of like all the president. And, you know, it has him.

And he obviously wrote this. This is a great description of him. Then there's next to him, there's a picture of an auto pen. a photograph of an auto pen. What do you mean an auto pen? Like, you know, this is this thing that people use to sign their signature. Okay, okay.

It's called Joe Biden, the auto pen president. Yeah. And it says Joe Biden, the worst president than the history of the United States was the auto pen president. And this is in the White House. It's really unbelievable. Right across from the Rose Garden,

as I recall, in his corridor. You know, he won. He beat, well, he, he's the president. It was the most divisive president in history. Really, more than you, Trump? usually when people are victorious, their desire for revenge sort of dissolves. Yes, not him. And not him.

I mean, this guy just wants his enemies just ground into the dirt. Why are they even his enemies? Why does Barack Obama have to be Trump's enemy? Because I get why. I mean, they, I'm not saying that he didn't deserve it. But they've been, you know, aggressively oppositional to him and called him a fascist and of this, and of that, racist, fascist, anti-Semite, the dementia, can't even read.

Have they said all those things about him? I mean, I don't know. Every person said all of them, but this is basically what they've said. And then the other thing I wanted to ask you about Dan, so you thought they stated you were good? Well, I enjoyed it. Was it good? He berated, you know, Biden.

He berated the Supreme Court justices for striking down the tariff. Oh, let's talk about that. Yeah. Did you read the Supreme Court? I didn't read the decision. But didn't you go to law school? Yeah, but I didn't read the decision. I didn't read the decision.

Did you read accounts of it? No, but feel, feel free to, to, uh, to, uh, well, I have thoughts on it. Yeah, okay. And my thought, what do you think? This is, first, but this is a comedy podcast. Pario, what do you think about, don't be rude. You know, I want to tell you get lots of comments on YouTube about how you should be nicer to me.

Yeah, yeah, from you. What did you think of? By all of my accounts. What did you think of, of Gorsuch's just concurrence in the tariff in the case, uh, Perryl. Well, I'm trying to understand what a tariff is, you know? The problem is, it's, you know, the joke is, I think, wearing thin that, you know, Perel's an idiot. Oh, come on.

Say, good night, Gracie. That was, for 10 years. That's, that's, that never wears thin. I have people who tell me, hello, come on in. I have people tell me that the only reason they listen is for the, for those jokes. Hello, sir. Hello, Jesse. Come sit down.

We're just all the way from my, on your honor, I wore a Canada shirt here, as you can see. I'm just going to tell Dan what I thought about the tariff. Yeah, you, but you, okay. And yeah, and I have, go ahead. And I have one thing I wanted to bring up quickly. And then we could talk about the judge. Well, I just had one thing I wanted to bring up quickly. So the tariff decision is what I think.

Okay. And I've heard nobody analyze it this way. So I think that it's very clear that they did not want to get into a consideration of what is or isn't an emergency. So the law allows for the president to take steps to regulate trade. in the case of an emergency. And of course, you know, this has worked for many years

because most presidents operate in good faith in a certain norm. So most people didn't just claim that anything was an emergency, right? Like if I give my kids, here's $500 for an emergency,

I know two out of three of my kids would never touch that money unless they did go to the hospital like an emergency dad. And one person would say, I only had 200 robocs Now I understand I can no longer trust you with the discretion of deciding what is in an emergency. So they didn't, so this is Trump.

Like Trump, you know, some of those tariffs were against nations. We didn't even have a trade deficit with. But they don't want to get into that because then every single statute has ever been written that allows for special emergency powers becomes something for litigation. So I think this is my personal theory. So they look for a workaround. Now, the liberal justice is the three, so Justice Roberts has this major questions doctrine, which I think is, I really think Justice Roberts is a great man. And I think this is a very, very smart practical measure because what it does is say that

any time a particular act is going to, you know, be tremendously disruptive. We have to be 100% sure that this is what the Congress intended. We can't just say, they probably meant, or they probably should have known that's what it meant, that we have, that, that if it's going to be, like, disruptive and likely unintended consequences, then we are going to be very narrow about interpreting the legislation. And I think this makes sense, because in a long game sense, this then forces the Congress to be very, very careful about how they draft. and if they want to give expansive powers,

then they should say so. And if they don't want to give expansive powers, because very often legislation is mushy because it's the product of compromise. So I say, okay, well, don't get too specific there, and we won't get too specific there. Then we can all of a sudden, and we'll pass it. And then all of a sudden, you've handed Donald Trump

this tremendous power. All he has to do is say it's an emergency, right? But what was interesting is that there's three justices, you know, Kagan and Jackson and whoever the third one was, who didn't want to sign on to the major questions doctrine. They said it could just be decided narrowly on the merits of, on the text of the law. And Justice Kavanaugh pointed out pretty intelligently, I thought,

that, well, are you saying that the law gives the president the right to cut off all trade entirely, but doesn't give him the right to middling? it with a fee, that makes, that, that doesn't kind of make sense. Like, if you're going to give the president the right to cut it off entirely, he probably ought to then have the included right of being able to do a less extreme measure. Didn't mention beer in his, in his decision. So then, no, no, and not the devil's triangle either. So then, um, so Justice Gorsuch, uh, wrote an opinion, I thought very, very correctly, point, and I'm not a Joseph's

Gorsuch fan, pointing out that these liberal justices who felt that this could just be decided textually, they were the same ones who were ready to let OSHA regulations be used for these vaccine mandates, even after we already knew the vaccine mandates were not necessary to stop the spread of COVID. Obviously, nobody writing these OSHA regulations ever imagined it would be used for vaccine mandates. And it also allowed Joe Biden, they were going to allow it. these these were not majority opinions.

They were also going to allow Joe Biden to cancel and forgive every student loan using some provision of a statute, which allowed for special dispensation for difficult cases for, you know, people had very compelling cases to have loans forgiven. The president was going to be allowed to do that. But they allowed Biden to use this provision. They would have allowed Biden to use this provision to forgive every student loan there is or within this universe of student loans. So I think he really hoisted them on their own pittard.

Like all of a sudden now they're saying the president doesn't have the right to charge fees, tariffs for trade in an emergency, and that's plain from the statute, but these other statutes can be read broadly. So I think that Justice Roberts had it right, this major questions doctrine is a very good speed bump to stop the president

from being able to willy-nilly just, you know, in bad faith, use statutes that were written to give the president flexibility in an emergency. We want the president to have flexibility and emergency. But we also want him to act in good faith. And I think this major question is doctrine is the best they could have come up with. It also, finally, it drives a stake through the heart.

And you heard it here first, folks, that this court was not going to authorize the president to send a seal team out to kill his political opposition and then claim presidential immunity. Do you remember that? Sotomayor, that was the one I could remember. Could you remember when Sotomayor said that?

And I said that's just ridiculous. So anyway, but I think this tariff decision was very good. I think it's great that they can't. You have something, we didn't introduce you yet, but if you know, first of all, if you knew you're going to want to discuss tariffs in depth, let me know, by all means.

Oh, I just came up. We had some time to kill it. And also have a couple of points I want to bring up. At one point I want to do. Mine. Can you just some... Oh, yeah, okay. We have Jesse Brown with us. A founder and editor of Canada Land,

winner of the Hillman Prize for investigative reporting. And he is a best-selling author and a host of the podcast. What is happening here? Jesse Brown, how are you? I'm okay. Can I be seditious? Can I be a Canadian trader? Yeah, please. Talk closer to the mic. Yeah, go ahead. You can be whatever you want as long as you talk closer to the mic.

You just turn your mic up. Go ahead. Yeah, be... You said seditious? I may not be able... Time, sorry, what? I had a nightmare like this last night. Oh, yeah, so while I have you here now. He wants to be seditious. Go ahead.

Well, we didn't tell him. No, let's just go. Come on, go ahead. Go ahead. Trump has a point with Canada. Oh, are we talking about tariffs now? Yeah. Okay, go ahead.

We've been getting a bit of a free ride. And we have this supply management system. We, like, regulate milk and butter. We pay multiples of an American. pay for it and like yeah but it's not an emergency it's not an emergency it's a complete lie the pretense for imposing the tariffs but we've been waiting for the supreme court to strike this down this is being you know can know Canada's hope maybe this isn't real maybe this isn't real maybe things can go back to the way they were he's he's exceeded his power he's stretched too far they're

going to hold them back the court's going to hold them back okay so he lost this one so what it doesn't change anything we've got a Carney is out there our prime minister is out there forming new trade relationships with anybody, anybody and everybody. It's long overdue. We kind of needed a kick in the ass. What's Trudeau doing these days now that he's out of office? Katie Perry. So, hilarious.

There was one other point that I wanted to make about it. I forgot to make. To illustrate why it is that I think that the Sotomayor, Cagan, Jackson, position is so weak. Let's imagine for the sake of argument that the Biden administration had very good intelligence that China was going to

invade Taiwan the following winter. And the president said, by President Biden said, this is a major threat to us because we depend on Taiwan for all our microchips. So we need to spur

investment in domestic production immediately. We're going to put an emergency 100% tariff on all microchips, the same logic that they wanted to put a gas tax at one time to make overseas oil more expensive to spur a technological innovation into shale and stuff domestically.

Okay. To bring market forces to bear. There is no way those same three justices would have said to Joe Biden in that real emergency situation, nope, the statute doesn't allow you to do that. I know it's a real emergency. I know that, but you know,

you could cut off all trade with China. You cut off all microchips from these countries. But of course, they can't do that because the entire country would halt to a stop without microchips. We need microchips. People would literally die without microchips in this country

for health care, for all sorts of planes will fall out of the air. So what I'm saying is that in a real emergency, the court would have upheld these tariffs. Everybody knows that this wasn't real emergency. They just don't want to rule on those grounds. Periel, I'm going to lose it. What sort of a podcast am I on here? I don't know what's going on. It's been happening the entire time. Either we're going to stop it, I know. Or we can't operate this way. So what's going on?

I wasn't in the right position. Okay. For the camera. The legislation that allows the president to declare charge the state of emergency would have worked if it was an emergency, but it's not an emergency, which is why he wasn't allowed to do it. Slowly, slowly? The legislation that permits the president, to declare emergency tariffs in the case of emergency would have been upheld had it been a legitimate emergency. Yes. But this was

not a legitimate emergency. Right. Which is why he lost. Yes, but they couldn't say it. They couldn't say it's not a legit emergency. Legitimate emergency because that would then open a precedent to a second guessing the president every time he does use emergency powers. Okay.

They didn't want to do that. So on what ground did they strike it down just to be clear? That this, that this particular thing falls under the major questions doctrine. Which is, for our listeners and for me, by the way. Which means I don't fucking express it exactly, which means for certain major questions that are quite disruptive to the country

in one way or another, there's a special, like a stricter scrutiny to the language in a, in a legislation, the language of a law. And they're saying now that since this is a major questions, it falls under the major questions doctrine, we're going to narrowly read the statute.

which does not explicitly grant the power to impose tariffs at all, ever. At all. So where do we get that it's okay in an emergency? That's what the law says. The law says the president can do other things in the case of an emergency. The law says the president could halt trade with China in an emergency. And Trump's argument is the lesser measure should also be included. If I could halt trade with China an emergency, how about mitigating trade with China using fees?

And I say, no, you can't do that. You can only halt it. Let me get my bearings here. You're the owner of the comedy seller. Yes. You are two comedians. Yes. No, no.

Well, oh, yeah, apparently. I forgot. Sorry, my bad. Oh, God, yes. We're discussing constitutional law. Because you were, we figured to start without you because you have a hard out. Well, well, well. I'm okay with anything.

Just to just to give you a refresher. Number one is I'd sometimes make jokes, but no, me either doesn't hear them or goes drives right over. I'm like my joke last week about the gym, you know, about Jim Crow. I don't even know if Nome heard it. I don't know. That was a good joke. Anyway, Noam is an accidental comedy club owner. He is, his father, I'll tell you what happened.

What happened? First of all, his father. He tripped and fell into a comedy club. Yes, yes. His father died and left him a comedy club. And his father was an accidental comedy club owner because he was a restaurant owner. And one day somebody comes in and says, can we use your basement for a comedy club. He says, why the hell not? It turns out it was profitable, and it kept going.

Both of them hate comedy. They don't hate it. They grew to love it. They grew to like it. They grew to like it. Noam's true passion. And by the way, when I say Noam inherited a comedy club, let's be clear, he expanded it severalfold. It's very impressive what he's done with the club. You sound like you got a revolver to your temple. No. It's true. I find him to be a very impressive guy. Yes, he can be exasperating, but but he's very impressive. I don't need sets, so I'll let you know if I'm impressed. But that's a joke day. That's how you're not a joke.

You're right. I was in my head. But Noam's true passion is to argue points of law, points of, you know, this is his passion. His great passion is not comedy. But the club makes so much money that he can't. He's not going to let it go. I mean, the barrels of cash that are coming through. You can't kill the golden goose.

You remind me of John Apatow, by the way. Anybody ever tell you that? I've never heard that before in my life. Yeah, the way he looks? Well, more, there's a slight, you could be Judd's brother. It's not like a spitting image for Judd Apat. But your manner and the way you talk and your physicality. I'm a shlubby middle-aged Jew.

So. Well, you don't look all. No, even the way you did that look, like it's very Judd-Apastown. All right. So this is the show where comedy people talk about news and politics. Well, Nome does most of the talking. I'm a news and politics guy. Can I talk about comedy?

Please. If you'd like, if you have any, any. Yeah. So I did this podcast about anti-Semitism, but it doesn't touch on the best way to measure anti-Semitism, which is through what's happened in comedy. You can watch the whole thing. Did you see that Netflix show, You People?

I haven't seen it. Yes. I haven't seen it. You haven't seen it? What did you think of it? There was a lot in that side. Yeah, I don't know. I don't love that trope so much.

I mean, maybe you can give it the listeners like a, condensed version of what that is? I mean, or of what it was, like what, Jonah Hill marries a black girl, gets together a black girl,

his family, it's, you know, his family has to somehow make peace with, with her family. Her dad is Eddie Murphy. He's,

he's a very dignified Nation of Islam guy. I heard about this, yeah. His parents are Julia Louis-Dreyfus and David Doecovney. They're just sort of these despicable Jews.

It was, it was sort of this weirdly hateful show. It was all very jovial. but the black characters were all kind of like proud and very dignified and the Jewish characters were all kind of he's like very disingenuous, dishonest people who just kind of want to be down with black people, but they don't really have any character, any principles of their own, and his uncle's a weird pervert.

Like, it was just a very strange show that had this weird whiff of hatred in it. But it was written, I assume, by Jews. Yeah, yeah. We'll do anything from money. You know, but... I'm not trying to make more of it than it was. No, no, no. I think that there was something really kind of despicable about it. I don't like that trope.

I think it's like tired. And I think that there are lots of more interesting and productive. Well, there's a recent movie that just came out that I heard like the Jewish characters really, like it's almost in the movies like a month ago. Which one? I don't know the name of it. You know, I'll look it up. Look, Portnoy's Complaint, which, you know, if you remember that book.

If you want to dig deep. I mean, that was a book written by Jew just, you know, and the main character was completely odious. Yeah. That was a great book. It was, but it's like Jews writing shit about Jews. It's not complimentary and not flattering. Well, we'd be doing that for a long time.

Yeah, but I think that there was something particularly, like, kind of... Thank you. Yeah. Hear me out, because I... And it was a lot of it through Netflix. And, like, Julia Louis Dreyfus, it was so beneath her to play this terrible character, this shrewish, Jewish woman, you know? Like, she's wonderful.

But anyhow, and then I'm watching Chappelle. And this is all before October 7th, and Chappelle's got this joke about space. space Jews. That's a weird joke. Like, he didn't say space Zionists. It's Jews who did this terrible thing. It wasn't a very good joke. And then, and then, you know, after October 7th, they came after Amy Schumer, and they

came after Sarah Silverman. And Seinfeld. Yeah. And then other Jewish communities, like, I've got to get ahead of this thing, you know. I saw Sarah Sherman's thing. And she's, I like her. And she's transgressive. And she's like, all this, this gross out stuff.

I'm very there for it. Does she do stand-up? I know she's on SNL. Yeah, she's got a special out. And the first joke she tells, she says, I'm a Jew, but I'm a free Palestine Jew. Like, she's got to have an asterisk.

She's got to somehow explain. Yes, okay, I know the elephant in the room. I'm a Jew, but don't worry, I'm the good kind. And then she made a joke, free Palestine Jew, because, you know, free, as we love free. It's a very hokey, you know, tropey. For a transgressive, comedian. It was a pretty, pretty hacky joke.

Was it Eleanor the Great? Is that the one? I was like, is that the movie? I continue, I don't know. We're going to figure out which movie you're referring to at time. All I'm saying is that I think you can read something into, and then John Stewart had to distance. But they really have these convictions. They're not just saying that

for the crowd, both John Stewart and Sarah Sherman have these are their convictions, deeply held conviction. Maybe. But we've had that discussion here with John privately, and then those are his convictions. Those are his convictions. Oh, yeah. I feel like, Like, okay, I'm a journalist. I, you know, I need people to listen to my show, but they don't have to like me.

And part of the appeal is if I kind of rub them the wrong way a little bit. Comedians have to be liked, you know, like even an annoying, even like Gilbert Godfried had to be, like, even though he's annoying, you've got to kind of like him for it to be. Like, you're not going to laugh. He's very likable. Yeah, I don't think you're going to laugh if you don't like them. And so I think you can almost measure something through what the Jewish comedians are doing. And I think a lot of Jewish comedians are calibrating themselves like, oh, this is like back to

the 50s where I somehow have to explain to the audience, like, yes, I'm a Jew, but I'm... But... Yeah. Well, I think a lot, like I said, I think a lot of Jewish comedians, these are their true convictions, number one. And, you know, a lot of Jewish comedians are... I think more Jewish comedians, by the way, are talking about... This could just be me. I think Modi has...

Because Modi's been so success, you know, Modi? You're talking about... Modi Rosenfeld? No. No. No. No, Modi Rosenfeld. I think because of Modi's success

By the way, he posted something on a private jet on Instagram It was just him and Leo This private jet was enormous It was a lot of jet for two people Anyway, he's doing very nice living Anyway, I think that a lot of people are seeing this And doing, I'm seeing more Jewish material being told

Both on Instagram and at the club Maybe it was always there and I didn't see it, whatever No, I'm glad to hear that But I think Modi is like Oh shit, we've got to jump on this Jewish train There's a fucking market here. Who knew? But, but, you know, I'm seeing a lot of Jewish comedians talking about being Jewish

and not asterisking it with any. But I think that's a reaction to what Jesse's talking about. Because they have to, they have to recognize it in some way. Yeah, I'm thinking a lot of you. You can just show up and tell jokes. Now you're going to be like, okay, everyone knows that I'm a Jew, so let me deal with that. But I have, but as I said, I haven't, most of this, the Jewish comedians are not bringing up free Palestine. They're not putting an asterisk next to the joke.

They're just talking about being Jewish and aspects of being Jewish, at least that I have seen. And again, I think Modi has inspired a lot of Jews. Why are you pointing at me? Because you work closely with Modi. And, you know, it's like they know there's a market there. And I think that that's a good thing. Like Renan Hersberg titled his special, morbidly Jewish. Now, would he have done that if it weren't for the success of Modi and Elon?

Maybe. It's possible. You're talking about the Jewish markets? I think people are leaning into it more. Huh. Well, I think both things are happening simultaneously because, like, I'm having my own... We're opening a new club around the corner. It's a very good special about it, morbidly Jewish.

In any case. Agreed. Go ahead and no. And I had wanted a call... My father's name was Menachem, but everybody called him Manny. But he... But if he, but that was a concession to people, you know, it's America.

People don't know the name Menachem. So why is my last name Brown? You know, he used to be Brunstein. Yeah. So, but he thought of himself as Menachim and with anybody who knew the name Manachim, or like his wife, they would call him Menachim, right? So, um, but I wanted to name the new club after in the Monachem Dorman comedy theater. This is the idea that came up before October 7.

So, um, very nice. Yeah. So, but the comedians. who all knew him, they knew him as Manny. So everybody's like, why don't you, Manacham, why don't you name it the Manny's Wormin Comedy Theater? And that way, people will just call it the Manny. And that way you distinguish, you know, comedy and the Manny comedy at the under.

We're going to call the McDonald's anyway. Yeah. So, so, and I said, you know, when that was first said to me, you know, I have to be realistic. It's true. The Mannauchin. Then nobody's going to say, I'm going to the Monacham. So, but what, why are the,

Mani, going to the manny does have a practical thing, although that really wasn't his name, but all right, maybe I'll do it with that. And then October 7th happened and all this anti-Semitism. And I said, no, I'm naming a fucking Manachem, Dwarman comedy. I want every goddamn person who comes there to see the name Menacham. Yeah. Like, you don't like it? Fuck you.

This is a Jewish name. So that's like my inclination is to lean into it in that little way. No, no, good, good. Look, so I'm saying as a comedian, some comedians might be having my, the comedy version of my reaction. No, I'm going to tell my jokes. And other comedians might be trying to kiss ass. I'm one of the good ones. That's the part that's really appalling to me.

That, like, I'm one of the good ones. Like, I'm a Jew, but like, you can like me. Like, it's okay. Yeah. I think the Jew you're looking for is my uncle. Yeah. You should hear what he says about Palestine. That's what happens.

Go get him. You know my favorite joke. Permission to speak. That a Zionist and an anti-Zionist walk into a bar. Yeah, we don't serve Jews here. And the bartender says, We don't serve Jews here. It's not the greatest joke in the world.

I didn't say it was the greatest joke. Why just step on a joke? That's a terrible joke. It's a, hmm, joke. It's a joke like, ah, yeah. I'm not like, it's a very apropos, I think. A very appet. toe. It's not a ha ha-ha-ha joke. Those are good jokes, too.

Anyway, like, I didn't write it. It's like, I'm not offended, but I think it's very, um... It's not as good as, uh, that's how you wave a towel. A who? Oh, that's a great joke. What is it? It's a long joke. I'm not going to tell. Well, now, well, you told the pun... No, you can Google it, and that's a way of a towel. Anybody that's listening. Google, that's how you wave a towel. It's a very good joke. I originally heard that joke from Modi. But anyway, so go ahead. So what else? What else? What else? I don't know. Oh, are you finished with this? Because this is interesting.

I had something that came to mind, which is just, I like what you're saying. I like what you're doing. And I think that you're using, to good effect, the particularity of New York. Usually New York is six months ahead of culture, at least. In this instance, you're actually kind of behind because the myopia here is that, like, what is it? Like 13, 14, 15% Jewish? I don't even know. And comedy, I would imagine you have a sense that it's even a higher degree of Jewish representation.

everywhere else Jews are feeling the 1% the 2%, you know? I'll look it up, go ahead. So you can still open a Monachem here and maybe it'll do well and I think you should. I think that those statements should be made.

Right. And the history should be observed. But pretty much anywhere else, especially with the diaspora Jews, it's like, you know, I know a guy who opened a smoked meat restaurant. In Montreal. 14.50.

No, in Toronto. He doesn't call it Jewish food. If you read up the press, it says Eastern European delicatessen, he's afraid to say I opened up a Jewish deli. Like that, it's bad for business. You can't say, you can't say, Manakum. You can't say this is a Jewish show. First of all, I want to tell you that there are Jewish businesses being attacked all over the city.

Somebody just reached out to me about, I'm not sure if that's true, period. It is true. What do you mean? The kosher sushi on the upper west side place just has. a fucking chair thrown through its window because one of the workers was wearing a key paw. All right. Maybe that's true.

Why do you doubt it? It's just because I'm saying it. It's just because it's me. She gets her news from memes. That's really the reason. Like she told us an incident of a story that, you know, it could be true because one of her workers was wearing a cup, somebody threw a chair.

That's just, you know, already, it's like, really, somebody threw a chair through a window because somebody was wearing a Yamaka, maybe, I don't know. But then she's like, all over the city, this is happening. That's what she says. And I just don't believe all over the city. Like, we have a Jewish star in our window in the yellow tree downstairs. Sushi Tokyo.

Sushi Tokyo. Well, you know, we did have a guest on last week that spoke of her restaurant being shut down. Yeah, but I don't know what I thought about that. Okay. You're a skeptic. They burned down to Jewish deli in Toronto, and it's a terrible, terrible thing. And you dig into it. And then they wrote Free Palestine after they burn it down.

You're like, that's a terrible thing. I tell you, the genius of the owner to write Free Palestine. Yeah. Let me tell you something. Any time you point out one of these incidents, they'll say, how do we know a Jew didn't do it? How do we know what you didn't do it? False flag. Yeah, you'll get that accusation every time.

So the deli... There are one or two instances where it was Jews. These things do happen. Yeah, yeah. Well, there's Jewish anti-Zionists, you know? So maybe they did it for the cause. Anyhow, you're looking into this story of the Jewish deli that got burned down. It's not a deli like a New York deli.

It's like a grocery store in the suburb of Toronto. And it's a terrible thing. I'm not saying otherwise. North York? What was the name? Yeah, it was around there. What was the name of the deli? International deli foods.

So what's the sign outside? IDF. They needed to speak to a branding expert before. I'm not justifying it. I'm just saying. That's true? It happened. Did you look it up, Pariel?

That it actually... I can know, because I'm thinking in my head now, the FEs cafe, which is on 96th Street. They poured red paint all over the restaurant. They broke the windows. And there's another... Maybe you're right. Wait, wait.

Let's just lean into that for a second. There's a coffee shop near Union Square and one on the Upper East Side that is Jewish or Israeli-owned. They had incidents there. I mean, like, I'm not like making this up. Well, then thank God Mom Donnie is mayor because, you know, he'll be on the case.

So what do you actually think? Do you think that it's with Mumdani? Is it alarmist? Is it a Jewish people who are concerned about that? Are they jumping to conclusion? No. Paranoid? No.

I'm not paranoid. Like, I've never thought this about anybody else before. Like, I'm not paranoid about anti-Semitism. Yeah. Like, this is like a material fucking fact. He's explicitly an anti-Zionist, right? So, but I think he's making gestures, but I'm against anti-Semitism. anti-Zionist, but against anti-Semitism.

Oh, okay, good. That makes me feel so much better. Are you one to say that they're inextricably linked and that you can't have one without, you can't have anti-Zionism without anti-Semitism? I think that the pursuit to prove that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism is a Mug's game. Who cares? I don't care. Are there people who are anti-Zionists who like Jews, who are Jews who are nothing

against Jews, fine, maybe, but they're hurting Jews, right? So whether or not they have something against Jews, the vast majority of Jews are connected to Israel in some way, shape, or form, whether it's because we have family there who we care about, or whether because we have a spiritual connection or because we have an ancestral genetic connection, like, you can't separate it. Like, Israel and Jews is, like, it's, sorry, you know, you can't really have one with the other. So if what you want, like, this is made much more. complicated than it is. If I want to demolish the nation state of Italy, I'm anti-Italian. I'm an enemy to Italian people. If I don't want, I don't like what Russia is doing. I don't like

what Putin's doing. If I don't think that Russia has a right to exist and I want to dismantle the Russian entity, I'm not a friend to my Russian neighbor. That person cares about Russia. They don't like my plan of destroying Russia. And if you think that Israel should not exist anymore, yeah, you are against Jews. Whether or not you like or hate Jews, you are against Jews. You've taken up a position that is against what the vast majority of Jews stand for. Well, and I agree with you, but, you know, there's cases that can be made theoretically that, you know, somebody could look at the history. So, you know, I don't think that Israel should exist, whatever dumb reasons.

I don't know. But then there's an additional element, which is very, very important, but it's more subjective, that's how you, which is the fact that a, what is, he's Indian, he's a Pakistani, he's born in Uganda, what is it, whatever it is, what's his actual nationality? I think Indian, you mean ethnicity, not nationality, I think it's Indian. The fact that a guy like with a Mamdani's profile would put the quixotic notion of ending the state of Israel, front and center in the attention of his life, that he devotes this amount of bandwidth and energy to combating the idea of not just, you know,

the West Bank settlements, but Zionism. Yeah. Like, we want to wind the clock back to 1940, which is never, ever, ever going to happen. That betrays an emotional involvement, which is difficult to understand outside of, and animosity towards these people. Maybe.

There's a million things in the world I could find unequal footing with Zionism. Sure. Opposition to Zionism. Lots of countries that you might say the same thing about. Like, I'm a Jew. Like, if I was just, I rate about some country somewhere and I, like, why? Because his dad is into it? You might know more about him than I do.

Was he born into it? Yeah, his dad's into it like that, too. So is his mom, by the way. So, like, his first, the first thing he did after being inaugur, after taking the oath of office. Yeah. Was to issue these orders rescinding a bunch of, albeit maybe deservedly overbroad,

deserved to be rescinded, laws that perhaps violated the First Amendment, which were regarded at defining anti-Semitism and outlawing anti-Semitism, as an ACLU sympathetic person of the old ACLU, I can understand these arguments. But why was it the very first thing? He, usually president say, on day one, I'm going to close the border.

In other words, you identify a very important issue to the people of New York. And you say, on day one, I'm going to make sure there's more police on the streets. On day one, I'm going to help the homeless. On day one, I'm going to see to it that every overbroad law about anti-Semitism is rescinded. What does that tell you? Sir, I just met you. Yeah. But you're too thinking.

This is why Jews can't fight. You're already criticized. You just met me. You don't criticize you. I just met you. You're like, he was absolutely right. and this needed to be rescinded, but did he have to do it on day one? That's what I would call a weak argument.

Jews got a fight. No. Maybe he shouldn't rescind them. Because you're like, well, there's a good, yeah, you know, a little niche to him, Nish de her like it's it. No, I have to concede that I, that's just my nature. I have to concede that these laws, like, kind of outlawing anti-Semitism, have always rubbed me the wrong way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's too specific, and you're a free speech absolutist. Your, this is comedy clubs. But I mean, I understand. the First Amendment. And I don't think, so, so the idea that the insult that it was the first thing that he did. But that's my whole point is that you can read something into the prioritization of this issue. What should it be in the first thing? I don't, I don't know what, snow shoveling for $30 an hour? He didn't know that was going to be a thing.

Congestion pricing? Within his own presentation. Within his own presentation, out of Derek Herod's, do a few things first. No, I'll tell you, within his own prioritization of his own, within his own portrayal of his priorities what he ran on. And by the way, he ran on specifically when people asked about Israel, he said, I don't want to discuss Israel, I want to discuss New York. And a lot of Jews voted for him, huh?

A lot, yeah. I would have said, on my family, on day one, I'm issuing the executive order to make the buses free. Or in day one, I'm going to end some police practice. So why did he do it as the first thing? You think, because it's evidence of animosity towards Jews is what you're saying.

obviously it's evidence of something it's evidence of you know animosity toward jews animosity toward Israel far be it for me to step into your local municipal politics with it a contrary opinion but let me do so anyhow obviously he cares about the jewish vote you have to in new york and and everything he's doing just say no no no but watch i'm going to rub the swastikov the subway wall he does care it wasn't about offending jews or or uh the mask falling off of his jew hatred it was a dog whistle to the people who feel the other way, right? That the first thing he's going to do is take away these things is to let the other people

who he needs, let them know that there's a new boss in town and he's not taking orders from, you know, parentheses, parentheses, them, parentheses, parentheses, maybe. Anything's possible? I mean, that's...

I don't think so. Let me get into Toronto politics, tit for tat. I want more flights into Billy Bishop. Billy Bishop is a good thing. New York to Billy Bishop. But Newark, I'm not so much into... Nobody should be flying in or out of Newark. It's a disaster right now.

I did find, if you are still interested in all of the hate crimes against Jewish businesses, I did pull something up. There you go. Is that from TikTok? By the way, do you know David and Rachel? I don't even have TikTok. David and Rachel Barron. Oh, my God.

The family, they're members of my cousins. They're in the igloo next to mine. David and Rachel, the Toronto Jews? Of course I know them. They're in, I think, Thornhill. Yeah, that makes sense. Documented attacks on Jewish-Israeli-affiliated businesses since 2023. That sounds like a documented, sightable source, not something she saw on TikTok.

Thank you, Jesse. It's chat, GBT. Vandalism of 2nd Avenue, Delhi in October 2020. What did they do to it? Vandalized with swastika as an anti-Semitic symbols. It's in 2023. Number two, Israeli-owned cafe, Homest Kitchen, reportedly faced, Multiple anti-Semitic incidents.

Asking for it. Jews claiming hummus cultural appropriation. Someone trying to remove an Israeli flag. And then number three on the list is additional reports from community sources, local discussions and screenshots, suggest Israeli or a Jewish-themed restaurants in New York City. Like Effie's Cafe, you have experienced vandalism with pro-Palestine and graffiti in paint.

These haven't been talled officially and are widely discussing local forums as hate-motivated. No official police city report. probably. Fet's cafe is excellent, by the way. That's on the Upper East Side. And on the Upper West Side.

Yeah, let's give shoutouts to Vandalizing businesses. And there's a great Israeli-owned cafe in my neighborhood, but I don't know if I should say it because they might get targeted. Well, no, people should go eat there. It's Ella's Cafe on the Upper East Side.

So the... Cafe Land, we're in Toronto. They've been targeted. Great place. I have another one for you in a minute. Keep going. No, so the other things of Mamdani, you know,

I've really been off. the news lately. I should, I should, I should quit this podcast because I haven't been following the news. Well, except, you know, you read the Supreme Court opinion. I read that. Chapter and verse. Yeah, but I heard, so I heard there was some, some policemen got hit with a snowball. Yeah, several. And the mayor called it a snowball fight. Right? Is that right? I don't know. Uh-huh. And it just occurred to me, just hearing that, that, like, you can't throw snowballs at policemen. I think the police... There were, there were rocks inside. the snowball. Even if there weren't.

My point is, like, here's a snowball fight. A snowball fight implies two people are playing. You can't have a snowball fight by yourself. Although, if you're throwing a snowball at someone who's just walking by, it's not a snowball fight. You're arguing that a snowball filled with rocks thrown in a police officer is, is inaccurately described as a snowball fight. No, I'm done. Even if it weren't filled with rocks. No, I'm agreeing with you. Yeah, but that's not a good way to describe that.

No, but I'm saying that even, listen, I know you, from your point of view, you think I think I'm hard on her. I'm telling you, there's no bottom to what she can get wrong. I didn't say that. I never said they quoted a snowball fight. If they were, if she says there were rocks in it. Yeah. Double check.

Flipp. Flip of a coin, whether it's true or now. There are 100% rocks in it. Look it up. Whenever she looks, sit up, it takes her a while. So, so what I'm saying is. When she does, can I ask you to read the entire article? Yes, yes. Thank you.

What I'm saying is that it's what he, even taking him at his, you know, being credulous and accepting his version of events, it's an absurd thing for the mayor of New York to make excuses for anybody throwing snowballs at police officers. That's serious. Can I tell you something? When I saw Mamdani, I thought, oh, New York has their own Justin Trudeau. Yeah. That's the same guy.

That's the same guy. Mom Donnie's also fucking Katie Perry. And Linda Ronstadt. By the way... You heard it here first. He is very apito-esque, not just physically, but the way he speaks. Yes, that's what I said. Yeah, but I thought you were just referring to the physiognomy.

Is that a right? Is that a word? Well, physiognomy is like the facial expression. Well, whatever. But yes, he's very apotonian. I don't have any, like, context for how to interpret that. Is it a very successful person? No, just your voice.

Is it a compliment? It's a compliment. It's a compliment. Just your vocal, cool, your voice. It's a compliment. It's a compliment. He's obviously very successful. You don't know who he is?

You'll tell me after. Goldstruck Cafe. Were there rocks inside? You read this already? No, I didn't read it. Were there rocks inside the snowball? You want to take bets? To take a bet?

Well, by the way, you're introducing the subject. They were not rocks. He's so happy. I'm not sure. It's fairly obvious that they were not. Yes, they were rock. There were rocks. There were.

There was. There is no verified, credible report. confirming that rocks were placed inside the snowballs. The suggestion that rocks or other hard materials were intentionally packed inside is speculation seen in social media comments. This is where I told you. She gets all her news. Are you beginning to get the picture now, sir?

I read that they had to go to the hospital of the cops. I know. No, that I think was reported. I mean, maybe if it's ice in there. One second. This is your co-host. No, I'm just the colleague. Shouldn't you want her to be right?

I do want her to be right. He's desperate. He's desperate for me to be right. It's obviously better for the show if she's if she's not right. It's a much more comedic. It would just be a different show. It would be,

people would take us much more seriously if it's Perry O'Reill was that. But I just said there are rocks. This is the thing. If I hear something from Periel that I have not heard elsewhere, I assume it's not true. Because I would have

heard that there were rocks in the snowballs. So the journalist at Crito is trust everybody, but verify. Yes. Your credo with her is distrust. Distrust, let her verify. Your default is, if she said it, that means it's inaccurate. If it's outlandish, yeah, yeah. If it's outlandish. According to reports,

including statements from the police benevolent association, rocks and chunks of ice were included in the snowball thrown at NYPD officers in Washington Square Park on February 23rd, 2026. Here. She said the police beenel. The cops union.

I would like a formal apology. The incident resulted in... I mean, he makes it like... I just like make things up. You're getting it for you. You don't make things up, but he... What's really weird is that she gave me... She gave me something to read...

Yeah. As evidence of this. And I read it out loud. It says there's no reports of rocks. And then she's like, oh, fuck you. I said, I'm only reading what you gave me. Now you gave me something else. Okay.

Allegations of rocks and I said, The PBA president, Patrick Hendry, Patrick Hendry, stated that the object's thrown. Fuck him. No. Okay, this is what, this is what, hey, no, it's like Patrick Henry, Patrick Hendry. This is what a PBA president has said. I don't think it's been confirmed by any reporters. It could have had rocks.

Okay. But if it did have, if it did have rocks. Yeah. It would be odd. Hypothetically. It would be odd for the mayor. to try to use, it was just a snowball fight line.

Right. So, from which you conclude that either it didn't have rocks or Mamdani was on- But even if it did not have rocks, it's still an odd characterization. My only point was that even if it does, even if there were no rocks,

the idea that the mayor of New York is not out there saying, listen, you cannot throw snowballs at an NYPD officer. That, we will arrest you for that. As opposed to saying, eh, it was a snowball. Oh, yeah.

You can not. will be boy. And I would just say you can, you should not throw snowballs at anybody that you, that you don't know that. Of course. You know, but that's an assault. That's assault. A hundred percent. I mean, I really think it's appalling that somebody would throw snowballs at NYPD. I mean, I really do. Like, I was. In 2020, she was carrying signs defund the police. I first of all, that's bullshit. I never carried any sign. You were totally down with it. No, I was never. Elm nonsense. First of all, why not defund the police? Don't they have too much money? BLM is... They don't have too much money. Okay. Don't do that.

I never said defund the police and... Like a little bit. Defund them a little bit. No, I think the bad cops should be held accountable for their actions. And I think that the fucking police are the first people you call in this city if something bad happens and throwing shit at them is beyond disrespectful. It's fucking insane. Agreed. But maybe defund them.

a little bit. Well, one can defund them and still be against assaulting them. No, I think the police need to be, need additional funding. They're not, we don't see as many policing as we used to. That doesn't mean bad cops should get away.

I do see them on the subway more frequently. I don't know. I'm a stranger in your land. In Toronto, we have a lot of cops who beat up and shoot people who probably should just be taken to you know, need mental health care. That's, I mean, but these things aren't mutually exclusive, right?

Like, I mean, bad cops should be held accountable for their bad behavior, and you still shouldn't throw shit at police officers. We just had, we just had the craziest story in Canada, by the way, the Toronto cops, they just, they just, they just charged seven cops, and there's three more cops who are suspended. They're charged with, they gave the name of a corrections officer to jail to these criminals who went to try to kill the guy. Like the cops were like feeding in from the cops. The cops, they've announced a, it's Canada news.

Nobody cares. It's amazing. The story is amazing. It should be starring Ben Affleck and Matt Damon as dirty. Like they're putting every police force in the province under investigation. The cops were feeding information of who to go kill to criminals. They were dealing drugs and guns. Like we've never seen anything like this in Canada.

It sounds like Mexico. It's wild. It's wild. This is what's happening right now. Well, you had that mayor, that crazy man. What was his name again? Rob Ford. Yeah.

And, well, that was newsworthy. We heard about him here. Oh, I loved it. I was in New York when that story broke. And I was buying something of the gap. And the checkout girl said, where are you for? Yeah, you can laugh. Yeah, it's deserved.

And she said, oh, where are you from? And I said, Toronto. She said, oh, you got that mayor. Finally on the map. Yeah. And we learned everything about covering Trump because we had Rob. And it may be the tragically hip will one day become popular here. I'm still, me and Dan Aykroyd are still pulling for it.

Do you like the tragically hip? Yeah, I'm a Canadian. I like the tragically. You know, I struggle. A friend of mine sent me a couple of their tracks, and I just, I was trying to like them. I just couldn't do it. I couldn't pull it off. I mean, it's like, no.

We'll probably come to terms on Canadian comedy before we come to terms. But Rush, I'm all for. You're showing your age. I'm all right. And, and, and the guess who? And the guess who? Yeah. Sure.

Sure. Burton coming? He was here. He was here. He came here. Yeah. You had him here? Well, he was in the audience.

Oh, okay. Not Randy? Randy wasn't here? No, no. Randy Bachman? Well, he might have, but we, you know, maybe he'd possibly came through here. All right.

So what else? I thought we were going to talk about anti-Semitism in Canada. Oh, yeah, yeah. We have time. But I'm happy to talk about other things. What's your take on possible bombing of Iran? And will you guys be there for us? Well, so we had 350,000 Persian-Canadian

come out on the street. Okay, it didn't get much media coverage, but we got a lot of Iranian Canadians. That's a lot. That's about, that's up there with the biggest Canadian street protests. And they were, this was not like the anti-Zionists. They didn't break windows. They weren't yelling to kill anybody. This was, this was a vigil for the tens of thousands of people who were killed. But it was also about hope that they want to see change there. And some of the anti-Zionists came out on behalf of the regime to protest against these people. Um, So I don't know. I, you know, it's what can you do aside from the questions of like, oh, are they, you

know, for decades, oh, you can't bomb Iran because we're going to push the world to World War III. It didn't happen. You can, it turns out you can bomb them. And the world's better off for it, right? So what can anyone hope? Okay, it's done. They bombed them already once. Maybe it's going to happen again in a day or two.

What can you hope for? But a better, like, it's a terrible situation they have there. you're saying it's worth a shot. Yeah, I don't think it's going to, I don't think it's going to tilt the world towards a wider conflagration. And I don't think it's good to let things, to let the regime just crack down on the dissidents and go back to business as usual.

I think that there's an opportunity there. I don't know. Who the hell cares? I'm not a foreign policy guy. I'm on a comedy podcast just, it was happy hour before this. So that happened too. So I'm a little bit over my skis right now,

and I'm talking about what should happen in Iran. Yeah, I'd love to see regime change in Iran. Well, no, that's a different way. Well, we'd all love to see regime change in Iran, but is it America's right to go in there and do it? Oh, no, the question is, will we, we didn't even get regime change in Venezuela? Will we be able to bring about regime change merely without happening today? That's a very good question. That's the question.

It's not Taco. It's not Trump always chickens out. It's like Trump wants quick wins. He wants to get in and out. So he'll do things on the international stage as long as it's not going to be like a protracted quagmire, which is actually not idiotic. No.

That's not idiotic, but if you just go in and bomb once and then, you know, so, yeah, what's going to happen next and what will the... Well, this regime is fairly tenet. The Supreme Leader has been in there since the 80s. 79. Is the same Supreme Leader since 79? No, Coma...

We had an electionist. Comenei died. The current Supreme Leader has been there since the 80s. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry, yes. You know, so, you know, he's an old guy.

He hasn't fallen yet. He's very old. I will agree with you. And I don't care for him. Right, the point is, but this regime seems like it hasn't fallen yet. No, no, this happened, this has happened like four or five times where there's been, there's been like a popular uprising. And everybody gets very excited.

that something's going to change, and then they, you know, internet blackout. You don't, like, there are some reports that they killed 60,000 people there in just a few days' time, mostly by sniper rifle. You know, we have to say. That's wild to me. As, as Jews. As Jews. First of all, let's just say that the Supreme Leader is an anti-Zionist, but we don't know whether it's an anti-Semite. Yeah, there are two different things.

Number one. He might be Jewish. Number two. Yeah. I do have to say, he may not be an anti-Zionist. No, that we, not as Jews, everybody does this. When people say, I think 100,000 people with his reports that 100,000 women and children died in Gaza, like, oh, there's reports. Oh, you believe every report you're here, but you believe it because it's convenient for your case.

They say, I heard reports, 60,000 people died in Iran. We don't really know, right? We don't want to be guilty of cherry picking reports that suit the case you want to make. I don't know what the reliable number is. As embarrassing as it is to get corrected on the factual record in a comment. Club, it's, it's true. And it's weasel words for me to say there were reports. Yeah.

Oh, are they verified? We don't know. We don't know. I think it's... Did you see it on TikTok? No, no. You know what? Before the taping, you told me.

Yeah. I think it's like confirmed at somewhere between 10 and 60,000. Well, that's kind of like a big, I mean, I'm not like a math expert. Look, look, but will we ever know? Because we didn't see pictures the way we saw pictures every day from from Gaza. We saw pictures of body bags in a morgue, and that was all we saw. It's horrible.

It's really devastating. Can I say something? Because I would be remiss to let this entire podcast go by. I have a question. Can you stop prefacing everything you say it with? Can I say something? And also, I'd be remiss. You know, you don't need.

What is your take? Did you see this whole thing with Tucker Carlson in Ben Gourion Airport? That he said that he was like attacked or that whole. That they questioned him. I saw, you know, as I said, I've, I've lost my Jones so you don't know me, but I was like three years ago, right, screaming about Tucker Carlson. I'm getting to know you. Yeah.

And I was saying, you know, even before October 7, this guy is, you know, conspiratorial, he's getting people killed with COVID and this Ukrainian weapons lab nonsense. Like, this guy is just, and then he left Fox and then he is, is racist text messages came out. And I was like, when is this guy's, and then he is, is, when he first started his show, he went off about UFOs and, and, um, alien creatures and telling Joe Rogan about how there's satanic beings leave under the water. I'm like, this guy's mentally ill. How can this guy become a influencer? And then October 7th happened and he went full blown. May I just say, heck of a meritocracy you got going here.

Yes. I did want to continue the Iran discussion. Yeah, I will. Okay, we can go back. So, so my only point is that, but once and I, and I, and I was like, like, like, screaming and yelling about it. I enjoyed the fact that I knew I was right and I was, you know, like, just scuring people with it and like really,

I don't know what the word is, like breaking ground. And then once everybody caught up with me, because now everybody's basically on the Tucker Carlson is a madman train, right? And everybody, I've totally lost interest in that issue because it was all about being right. It really wasn't, I realized it really wasn't about Tucker Carlson.

So now that everybody believes it, I was like, all right, who cares about Tucker Carlson? millions and millions of deluded people. Yeah, but I'm saying like, like, yeah, of course. Yeah, he lied about what happened to him in Ben-Gurian Airport, and I think he was absolutely humiliated. And then he accused her sorg. He accused Hurtzog of being, uh,

and then had to eat shit and apologize. I got to hear about the, what do you think about Epstein? All right. Careful. First of all, are you on the list? I'm on the list. You're not on a list. You're in the five.

I'm on the list. He wants to be on the list. This is as close as I got to the Epstein Files, being in the Epstein Files. I'm in the files. I broke a story years ago before the Me Too movement about a guy named Gian Gimesh. He was a big celebrity in Canada. What's the name? Giangamesi.

Must be a Quebecer. Iranian-Canadian, full circle. No, it's not going to, anyhow. He was a sexual predator who I did an investigation. You have to say alleged because I don't want to get sued. No. Well, no, he was acquitted of a bunch of charges, but then he, he, he, he had an apology

and a peace bond for the last one. Let's just say alleged sexual predator, go ahead. For your legal purposes, I'll say allege. Which is since he was acquitted, but go ahead. It was a story. It was a story that I investigated and broke. It was a big deal in Canada, and it showed up in the Epstein files in an email chain between Epstein and Woody Allen.

I felt, alright, I've made my mark. So we're all in the Epstein file. I'm not actually. So what do I think about the... Well, your club is in it, and that's why I'm in it, because you... They said that... And it says... It's the place to go for comedy.

Did Epstein say that? Epstein said it or somebody said it to him. But between them, they decided that comedy seller is the place for comedy. You should put that as like a quote on the blur. And you know why? We have the hottest waitresses. Go ahead. But you also have it.

You also the strictest with the age minimum. Go ahead. You've card everybody. I appreciate you making space for this take. What do I think of the Epstein files? Possibly not good for the Jews. That's all like, I'm sorry. What is there to say?

Every day it's being drawn into this as evidence of, you know, once you, like, it really is interesting to see. Anti-Semitism is a hell of a drug. And once people start to put their thumbtacks in their red yarn and try to find the connections, it's the gift that keeps giving. They'll find all kinds of connections because we do know each other. There's not a lot of us. I can't believe I've never met you. I can't believe you don't know the Barron's. The Rothschild.

So, okay. So my cousin's the barren. I looked it up. I started sending around. I should have sent you like three years ago. Periel was going on about Epstein, Epstein, Epstein. And I was like just making funny. She was like, but I believe, I said, do you believe this?

She said, yes, of course. And I said, of course you believe it, Perryl. And then she believed in an international pedophile ring and he was murdered in prison. And she believed it all. You remember me saying? You don't think he was murdered in prison? No. And I remember, I think this is a bunch of bull.

nothing's going to be any... I don't think he was murdered, but that's at least not as crazy as the people that say he's still alive. Well, the notion that... He was definitely murdered. The most plausible theory of the murder is that, you know, some inmate got him

because they kill pedophiles or something. But whatever. No, I don't believe he's murdered in prison. We're talking about him, so I just want to say, to those who care about such things, there is... And I don't like to say things definitively,

because who knows we're going to find it tomorrow? there is no substance to the idea that he was a Mossad agent. There's no substance to it. Do you really believe that? I'm kidding. I don't know what I believe. God damn. But I made my point.

So, you know, I really didn't believe they were going to uncover some mass pedophile ring between Epstein and Bill Clinton and Bill Gates and, you know, Larry Summers. No, Chomsky. No, Chomsky. No, Chomsky. But, you know, my wife literally. she starts spittle when she gets so mad when she hears me like weaseling through the Epstein story because she like she thinks I'm pro pedophile or something. So let me just say for the record, something I said even years ago, this attraction, this barely legal attraction is a pervasive thing

in men who identify as males. Is that it okay for you? And the, and this is something else that I spoke about years ago because when my daughter was first coming of age, where she can start to read on where you're going here well on no on the when she became old up to read the the channel guide yeah on the it starts taking it off on the Verizon channel guide I brought yeah yeah like barely legal teen rides my like uh you know and it was all these um synopsies of things you could watch i hear you that were blatantly appealing to men so obviously this has to be a big market let's not pretend that a sexual interest from gross old men like ourselves in teenage

women and the titillation of the barely legal thing is not a major part of our culture. Yes. And let's not conflate and confuse pedophiles who are interested in children with perverted old men who are interested in the barely legal. But let's not make too fine a point of what's technically

a pedophile and what's an epiphon, whatever. Because these are gross guys that are doing drasticly wrong to have sex with No, no, no. The whole thing was worse than wrong. This is all preparatory comments, but it is important, actually. Now, I want to say, nobody's going to believe me. But I was outraged by this barely legal stuff on Verizon.

And I remember I texted an important female celebrity, say, you know, we should maybe boycott Verizon here because I don't want my children growing up seeing this on the channel guide. So I was very offended by that. the distinction is important because some of the women that Epstein was actually convicted of in 2008, I think she was 16 or 17, which in many states would have been of age. So although you can consider both wrong, we do have to recognize that there is a gray area attraction where there is actually no consensual no

what's the word what's the word wisdom like the conventional there's no conventional wisdom watch no one's rushing into help no there's no conventional wisdom of where the line should be drawn yeah I think you're making a good point

I think you're making a courageous point that people don't want to make right now which is well wait wait wait but we all agree we all agree vehemently and there's no gray area that pre-pubescent children are a sickness and off-limits. Well, we'd also all agree that a 13-year-old girl, whether pubescent or not is an outrage, if anybody, you know.

And then we also know that, for instance, a famous comedian, I don't know, had a 17-year-old girlfriend at one time. And we know that Woody Allen, aside from Woody Allen, totally got in later, in the movie of Manhattan, he had a 17-year-old girlfriend. And people were not outraged by this. So Epstein's a monster enough without making,

it about something that it isn't. Yeah. So these are all, these are all, you know, if you're, you're called a courageous, but if you're going to look

at this stuff honestly, these are, just honest, yeah, these are all things that a person being fair is going to try to discern. But in the,

but all this is to say that, but in the end, I predict the Epstein files and amounts to nothing. Now, Thomas Massey, this fucking anti-Zionist, you know,

Thomas Massey. I just had one point about Epstein. Is this an Epstein related? Yeah, yeah. Okay, so he is the guy,

behind this Epstein release act or whatever the Epstein what's the name of it? Yeah, it's the Epstein Release Act something like that. Epstein Disclosure Act, whatever it's called. And the congressmen

are allowed to see the unredacted files. Okay. And the congressmen are also allowed to go on the floor of Congress, it's in the Constitution, and say whatever they want. They cannot be sued for a libel for anything they say on the floor of Congress. So this guy, Thomas Massey, who has been

really fueling this whole thing. He goes and he looks at all the unredacted files. And he can say whatever he wants. And then he gets on the floor of Congress and he says, he's despicable. He says, he's Epstein files uncovered, sick, demonic behavior, rampant throughout elite people,

whatever it is. And he said, in England, they did something about this. They arrested Prince Andrew and his other guy. Sidebar, we all know. They arrested Prince Andrew for financial improprieties. Had nothing to do with the, So this is extremely deceptive in the way he's presented. And then he says, and in America, we've arrested nobody.

And we should be looking into people. And the two people he mentions are Leon Black and Leslie Wexner, the most generic two names that we've known about for 15 years that, you know, that got money from Epstein supposedly for their pronunciation. Meaning that he went on the floor of Congress. He spent hours looking at the unredacted files. And he didn't give us one name. While grandstanding that he was doing.

One name of one single person that he found evidence in these files of demonic activity. Of anything to do with sexual propriety. He had said demonic activity or words to that effect. Other people said, he might have said demonic, but he's saying like, Can you fact check him on that? You're paraphrasing. We have a similar thing, parliamentary privilege. If you're giving testimony in parliament, you can say what you want.

You can't be sued for liable. And it's been abused. It's been abused to ruin people's reputations. I got to go. Why? I got a thing. I've been in town doing nothing but this. This is the most fun I've had.

I still don't know what this podcast is. Well, I'm really, I got, you know, before you came in, we started late. People moving this and move this way. So, of course, I go out, I'm going to cut out the part where I got mad about the camera being in the wrong spot. I spent a lot of money to have these cameras on PTZ. No, PTZ pantilled Zoom, which in my-follows you. In my dumbhead, like, no, we don't need to tell Dan to the right. Right.

Why did I pay for the camera? And then I've got to move people around. Can I get some sharks with friggin' laser beams on them? Right. To bring it to comedy, one thing you'll notice is a plethora of Epstein jokes on social media, I suspect because you get more hits,

more clicks, more likes with topical jokes. I don't think comedians would be writing all these Epstein jokes. I wrote an Epstein joke. I would never have written an Epstein joke, but I thought, well, maybe, you know, That's what social media wants. Can I plug my podcast? Yeah, go ahead.

Yes, please. Okay, I spent seven months doing a show about what's happening to Jews. It's called What Is Happening Here, Canada Land Investigates. It's worth your time. I'm really glad you asked me to come here. I hope you come again. You're a great guest. I'll go anytime.

This is a blast. So how long are you in town for? I leave Friday. Today is Wednesday. Why don't you come down to sell it tomorrow the next day? Watch a show? Yeah. I'd love to.

Yeah, please do. Okay. There is no smoke made on the menu, but the steak is wonderful. Yeah. You have Perry L's information? Yeah, yeah, we're in touch. Okay. You should give you my information.

Is there anything else when you want to talk about here after they go? I want to talk about them after they leave? Take it easy. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, come. You don't want to come tonight. I would, but I got to think.

Thursday or Friday. Okay. Thank you. All right. Anything else about... Well, I would just say that that is a... That was a good episode. Yeah, very good.

You know, and because we got into comedy, and mixed in with, you know, the politics. It was a nice mix. Yeah, he happened to be an intelligent person. Well, that's true as well. Yeah, yeah. In an apatatatine way. Apatoni. That's better.

All right. Are we done here? I think so. I will, you send me that file and I'll edit it out. And then we have to do something. I'll just say, why am I? Oh, I have a question. I have one question also. I sent you a guest guide.

I don't know if you received it or not. Yes, I did. And? About your... Well, the former roommate is one of them... No, it's not a roommate, but a colleague... College. At law school.

It's the first... The first... First social network. Yeah, that'd be a great case. Okay. So I gave you the email. Right. When we just make a rule that we are not on our phones during this show unless we are actually, like,

it's part of the show, a little bit of... Okay. I want to say something.