The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Fighting Anti Semitism in the Era of Tik Tok with Daniella Greenbaum Davis

Episode Date: June 6, 2025

Daniella Greenbaum Davis is an Emmy-award-winning producer, writer, and social media strategist with bylines in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, New York Post, Daily Beast, Commentary, and Washington Post. She executive produced the first ever holocaust-edu-series for TikTok, How to: Never Forget, which garnered 20M views and was profiled by ABC, NBC, Deadline, Variety, PBS, and E!.

Are we ready? All right, I am recording. This is Live from the Table, the official podcast of the world-famous Comedy Cellar, available wherever you get your podcasts. Available on YouTube, that's the recommended way to enjoy the program. That way you see video as well as hear the audio. And we're available on demand on SiriusXM. This is Dan Natterman, Comedy Cellar comedian with Noam Dorman, owner of the comedy

cellar. Peri Alashian-Brand joins us as well. She wasn't here last week, I don't think. I was not. Okay, but she's back. And we're with Daniela Greenbaum Davis, Emmy Award-winning producer, writer, social media strategist. She executive produced the first ever Holocaust edgy series for TikTok, How to Never Forget, which garnered a whopping 20 million views. Welcome, Daniela. Thanks for having me. It is hot in here.

Is the air conditioner not on? Oh, Dan. I'm just saying it's hot. Make sure Daniela's mic is up loud enough, okay? Wait, so tell me, what's the TikTok thing again? It was called How to Never Forget. And it was a series of 10 micro episodes, no more than 60 seconds. Some were like 90 seconds, but that was really it. With an influencer bringing her followers through basically Auschwitz and other parts of Poland along the journey to learn about her family's history. You conceived it?

Yeah. This is a very good idea. learn about her family's history. And was this your, you conceived it? Yeah. This is a very good idea. And I, I was actually trying to speak to some people at one time about doing short videos about Jewish history in general, because as we all know, our, our younger kids, and actually even people my age, they have no idea of the story of not just Zionism,

but the more recent history with 48 and 67 and the Second Intifada and stuff like that, such that they are completely ill-equipped to defend Israel from many of the arguments that they hear. And I had thought that maybe after October 7th, they would start to learn these arguments, but they don't. that they hear. And I had thought that maybe after October 7th, they would start to learn these arguments, but they don't. They don't even know that Israel was attacked in 1967,

the most basic things like that. So I don't even know why they think they can defend Israel. If they just defend Israel based on the facts that they know, Israel's in the wrong, you know? So maybe we can talk to you about that another time. And I spoke to Khabib Retigur about it one time, and I really wanted to do it. And, of course, I got interested in other things. But I really do think this is necessary for Hebrew schools,

for all kinds of stuff. Yeah, I think short-form content is the most underutilized distribution in the Jewish world writ large. We're, like, great on books, but then our kids don't read them. And we're great on like the three hour documentary and then no one watches them. All this money is being spent on content. That's just dying on the vine because we're not actually putting it in the

format that's consumed by most people. And I think we're making a mistake by focusing on the Holocaust because the Holocaust is not, is not the key information that's needed for Jewish people today, I don't think. I mean, obviously they need to know what happened, but the details of the Holocaust are not what's necessary to make the arguments that need to be made. And as a matter of fact, they become counterproductive, because people are like, oh, just because you have the Holocaust, you think you're entitled to kick all the Arabs off the land.

And they're like, oh, yeah, I didn't realize we kicked all the Arabs off the land. They need to learn what happened there. I don't think we kicked all the Arabs off the land. No, no. I'm saying I don't think we did either. But they don't even know that. They're told that. Yeah.

And they accept it. And they actually do think it can be offset against the Holocaust. There's a couple issues. Holocaust education is certainly not a silver bullet. But I do think it can be offset against the Holocaust. There's a couple issues. Holocaust education is certainly not a silver bullet, but I do think it's necessary but not sufficient when it comes to, like, educating Jewish kids about, A, the dangers important part of the story, and not enough on the story of survival and the people who survived and like what it means to triumph as a minority and actually survive. But I think it's an incredibly important thing to remember. And also as like a reality check, like if you think about people in my generation, or even like a half a

generation older than me, most of us did not grow up feeling anti-Semitism in the U.S. And so things like Tree of Life, things like October 7th, I mean, even the term October 8th Jew, like that exists because people were fundamentally surprised by anti-Semitism when none of us should have been. Like if there's any constant in history, it's like taxes and people are going to not like Jews. And so none of us should have been surprised. We should have just like realized we were on this vacation from history, but eventually it was going to kind of come back for us. And that doesn't mean we're getting pushed into ovens. It doesn't mean like the Holocaust is happening, but we, none of us should have been surprised by like widespread

anti-Semitism or by the fact that on October 8th, there were plenty of Americans who were chanting Free Palestine and supporting Hamas as opposed to Israel before Israel took a single step in the war. But that was surprising to a lot of Jews because I think we've failed in the Holocaust education we've done, which is like to make people think it was this like unique one-time event, the extreme, the way it ended up was extreme and it was unique. But the idea of Jews being persecuted and that persecution turning to violence, that was not unique. That's just the story of the Jewish people. Yeah.

Go ahead, Dan. You know, the reason I flagged you to Pariel as a guest is because you've written this article, Why MAGA Must Expel the Podcast Pipers of Antisemitism. Is that you guys? Are you the Pipers of Antisemitism? No. I'm the guy who's just screaming about that for almost two years. Way longer than that.

Since it started bubbling up. So this was back in March, and I really wanted to have you on. Well, I just wanted to also ask to what extent this Edu series, which I think is – is that a new word? No. Okay. Anyway, to what extent this was targeting non-Jewish people as well, and is it important for them to know? Yeah. And understand – you know.

The influencer we partnered with had at the time about 11 million followers. And I would say probably 95 percent of her audience at the time was not Jewish. She ended up becoming like super interested in Jewish activism. Who's that? Montana Tucker. So after the project, she became super interested in Jewish activism. And now her audience has probably shifted quite a bit Jewishly. But at the time, this was kind of like the first organized piece of content she did talking about anything Jewish-related. And so most of the comments were from non-Jews being like, I never heard of the Holocaust, or we mentioned this in school once, but I didn't know this was real.

Or like her following was very young Americans, a lot of them between the ages of 14 and 18. And so, yes, I mean, targeting non-Jews was like specifically the goal there. And it certainly, I think, was successful in at least that goal. But you don't think it's going to, like if the most pressing challenge to Jews right now is the fallout since October 7th and being considered like Afrikaners and genocide and all this stuff, the Holocaust is not going to have any effect. I don't think this is a solution to the problems we're facing post-October 7th. Yeah. So what do you think the solutions to the problems facing since October 7th are? I don't know. Mitigation solution to the problems we're facing post-October 7th. Yeah, so what do you think the solutions to the problems we're facing since October 7th are? I don't know. Mitigation.

That's why I'm here. I got nothing. I think like in all seriousness, one of the issues we're so fucked is that we look at the October 7th thing as if like that's the beginning of our problem. That's not the beginning of our problem. That's the culmination of our problem. That's not the beginning of our problem. That's the culmination of our problem. So what I mean by that is if for 30 years, academia, K through 12 education, and then the entire ecosystem of social media

is telling you that Jews are apartheid, creating genocidal evil people that like cause harm and destruction everywhere they go and are responsible for the oppression of brown people in the Middle East, the natural result of that is uprising against them, hurting them, doing whatever you can to stop whatever they're doing because what they're doing is so bad. And if my feed was only pictures of Gazan children with their arms blown off and no context of October 7th, the war, mitigating steps Israel's taking. There would also be a free Palestine activist.

Right. So why is there not a TikTok series now? And it's actually the issue is very well suited for it, making the clear case why this is not genocide. Genocide has a very specific definition. The historical examples of genocide are so obviously different. Just by naming them, it makes a pretty clear case. Like, for instance, did you know that the Hutus killed, what is it, almost a million Tutsis in 100 days with their bare hands and machetes while their leaders were exhorting them on the radio daily to go out and just slaughter anybody they could find. That's what a genocide looks like, right? Every time I tell that to somebody, like, oh, wow, like that, well, that's clearly not what's going on in Gaza. And then there's the legal definition of destroying a people, all this stuff.

These are tailor-made for like 60-second or – that's an exaggeration – 180-second little – but our people control Hollywood, but we're not doing it. Well, there's a couple of things. First of all, let's say our people do control Hollywood, which I don't agree with. Let's say they do. You're like my wife. She takes everything I say literally. I just, you know, want to be on the record here.

It's like a misconception to think that controlling Hollywood leads to 60-second explainer videos on TikTok. Like what you're describing is a problem that can only be solved by a culture of young people doing low production value,

self-recordings in their living room just pontificating those are the videos that are going viral on the other side like candace owens candace owens is high production value i'm talking about like a random 14 year old who's discovered israel palestine and decides they want to create content and are sitting there do we want a 14 year old or somebody with perhaps a little more gravitas there are people on youtube by the way doing this sort of thing why do you think anybody on the other side has gravitas. There are people on YouTube, by the way, doing this sort of thing. Why? Do you think anybody on the other side has gravitas? I mean, the garbage that is being put out there is with, I mean.

Well, I'd rather fight. I'd rather combat that with something of a little greater quality. See, I disagree totally. I think we need to combat it with exactly the quality that they're doing. Because the reason that they're doing because the reason that kind of content is successful is because it feels organic. And we respond to it by being like, wait, we're going to create this like highly curated, highly produced, perfect, clearly high production value, expensive production that very clearly

has been made by these like elites. And we're going to try to push it into people's feeds via paid advertising that says sponsored and just do about everything we can to make clear that this piece of content doesn't even come from a person it comes from a big them whereas they're creating content that's like random people eating a sandwich commenting at the same time or I don't know if you guys know the whole concept of like distraction videos on TikTok but like on one one side of the screen, there's something just like lulling for your eyes, like cars zooming back and forth or a Candy Crush game being played or balloons being popped or something distracting that just like keeps your eyes focused. And then on the other side of the screen, there's somebody saying something, explaining something, actually like providing

some kind of content. We look at that as a community and typically we're like, we're so above that. That's so beneath us. That's not smart. That's not thoughtful. That's not nuanced. And like, we have these long form podcasts where like people that I respect greatly and read voraciously are making incredibly well-reasoned arguments. But like, this isn't a conversation about arguments. This is a conversation about empathy. And we're losing that because we respond to questions of empathy with like, well, did you know Israel did this to mitigate? It's like, but you've lost the argument. Nobody cares.

But there are people on TikTok, I would imagine, doing this kind of thing, arguing the other side, arguing the pro-Israel side. We have fewer than you would think. I mean, is it simply a matter of numbers? You know, I mean, the Arab Muslim world is a billion people or whatever. And Jews are 15 million people. And, you know, right there, how big a role does that play? So we're definitely outnumbered, like by a lot. I can't even do that math in my head. But there's a larger

problem, which is there's an Israeli firm whose name is escaping me, who in, I would say, like December-ish of 2023, assessed the number of inauthentic actors that were part of the conversation surrounding Israel-Palestine on all the major platforms. And it was something like 35%. 35% of the conversations that people would see on Israel-Palestine were just done by bots. And so what happens is, yes, we're outnumbered, but then on top of it, whether it's the Qataris or any of their allies, there are hundreds of millions of dollars being put into content, being pumped into artificial actors, either with something that's called an avatar, which is like a more sophisticated bot or a bot.

And then that trains the algorithm to encourage people that this is actually the more popular point of view. And so both that individual content that they're pushing gets seen by more people and the overall idea that this is the winning side and the winning narrative gets pushed to more people. I don't know. I'm skeptical of everything. But that's what my friend. I don't know. I'm skeptical of everything.

But that's what my friend tells me all the time. I'm skeptical of everything. But I feel like just the pro-Israel side, they're just not even phoning it in anymore. Like they cut food off from Gaza for how long? Two months, two and a half months? And there wasn't even like a clear party line talking point argument to explain why they were doing it. They just almost like they've thrown in the towel and trying to get the benefit of that on any subject. For 10 months of this war, there was one man who was responsible for all communications efforts in Israel.

He was like the guy that all the various departments working in anything relating to communications, which a lot of departments have something communications related, fed into. Guy's name was Moshek. Guess what language Moshek doesn't speak one word of? English. Not a word. Like cannot say, hi, hello, how are you? And every Israeli speaks English.

That's what's hilarious. Really nice guy. And by all accounts, smart, talented, capable. Do you speak Hebrew? I mean, enough to talk to Moshe, who didn't speak English, but doesn't speak a word of English. Israelis have like no appreciation for how important this battlefield is and no understanding of how badly they're losing. How can they not know that? They're so smart.

Okay. I forgot who it was, but someone had a great line when explaining this to me because I always ask this question. And I wish I remembered who it was because I would cite them. But what they said was for Israelis, when you try to talk to them about how important this is, their thinking is like I'm going to fight for my life with a knife. Someone is trying to stab me, and you're trying to talk to me about my cholesterol. I'll worry about that when I'm done with my knife fight. And it's like that's actually a terrible analogy because what you don't realize is that your quote-unquote cholesterol is impacting your ability

to fight this knife fight. Of course. That's lost on them. Yeah. I have an analogy from comedy to make. Go ahead. If people don't like you personally, they're never going to laugh at what you say. You're not going to be funny to them.

So true and so apt. And Jews, unpopular people, you know, even the best argument, you know, is going to fall on deaf ears, at least to some segment of the population. I don't think it's because we're unpopular people. Some of the biggest stars in the country are Jewish. Some of the most important beloved personalities in the country are Jewish. Yeah, that's true. But I do think that the fact that people hate Jews so much and the explosion of anti-Semitism after October 7th has very little to do with what the Israeli government is or is not doing in Gaza.

Because by that logic, if you looked at what the Chinese government has done to the Tibetans, or I could give you a million other examples, that has not, it doesn't correlate to like how happy everybody is to just despise the Jews. Like how is that helping to quote unquote free Palestine? It's not. And as you've pointed out, these people know nothing about the history. I mean, the things that they say oftentimes are just absolutely based in manufactured nonsense.

Everybody, every human is so vulnerable to the kind of heroin of excuses. And you don't know me. I mean, this thing about everybody being surprised by what happened after October 7th, as Perla knows, I was not surprised at all. Was it at my son's birthday party like three years ago? I made some speech. I'm like, you know, something bad is going to happen to the Jews now. Happy birthday!

It was at Passover. No, it wasn't Passover. Because you weren't at my Passover. And it was just and I saw it all clearly coming. It was related to the podcast that we're going to talk about. I really saw it happening. So yes, it's very tempting to say

they hate us, they hate us. And they do hate us. Or there's some hate. But that cannot be an excuse for not observing and having tough love with oneself and noting that we are doing a terrible job of making the arguments. And until I can say, I hear people every day making these very, very good logical arguments for Israel, and yet they're not being accepted. They must hate the Jews. But if I don't hear the arguments, I say, well, these people are seeing these horrible scenes of children and people dying, innocent people. And we're not giving them any context that they can say, this is a tough one because I heard the arguments on Israel's side and I don't really know what they should do.

I'm torn here. They're not made to feel torn. So they collapse. And so I'm not ready to blame these people for collapsing when I know they have not been, they have not heard the good arguments. And quite often when I do speak to them, they're like, oh, you know, I hadn't thought about it that way. I don't disagree with you that they haven't heard the good arguments, but I, and by no

means am I excusing the Israelis. I think well before October 7th, they were. Well, the American Jews, it's not just Israel has to do it. As a community, we are hopelessly confused about, I'll give you a great example. You asked about the genocide thing, like why don't we have a good explainer about why we're not committing genocide.

Respectfully, that's like the worst PR tactic in the book. If someone's like, you're committing genocide and you're not, you don't go like, here are the reasons I'm not committing genocide because actually the only thing you're committing genocide and you're not, you don't go like, here are the reasons I'm not committing genocide. Because actually what you're, the only thing you're doing there is successfully putting the word genocide and the word Jews in the same sentence. I understand that argument, but there may be a time when you just have to. Yeah. If, if, if I'm on a podcast and someone's like, are Jews committing genocide? And I'm like,

I won't answer the question because it's putting the words together in your mouth. And I pivot, obviously that's insane. You have to answer the question. it's putting the words together in your mouth and I pivot. Obviously, that's insane. You have to answer the question. But like the idea of us proactively creating content that ties the word genocide to the word Jews or Israel is like an insane thing. And I agree with you. They haven't been shown the content that could make them question what they're seeing. Some of that is the fault of the Israelis, but actually most of that is the fault of the algorithm. This content exists.

We can agree or disagree that it's good, it's bad, it's well-produced, it's poorly produced, it's thoughtful, it's too thoughtful, it's not thoughtful enough, whatever. There is plenty of content. The biggest problem we're facing is that, A, we're outnumbered, B, they're putting way more money into inauthentic actors online,

and C, we're talking about a 30-year headstart where people who are a bit more on the fringes of our community were raising the flags raising their arms and saying hey something's going on on college campuses there's an indoctrination effect something's happening on social media something's going on in the traditional media space and most like normal members of the jewish community were like you're so crazy what are you worried worried about? There's nothing happening. Everything's fine. Don't be so dramatic. And those people were right. Yeah.

Well, we'll see. Sam Harris has done some, I don't know if you've heard the stuff he did, has done some very, very well-presented, very well-argued. Bill Maher, by the way, also. And Bill Maher. And they do go around. But Bill Maher, by the way, also. step-by-step through it in a way that I think needs to be done.

I'm not one of these people who think everybody's stupid and everybody can't understand a good argument. I listened to Sam Harris with my 11-year-old son, and he was, like, taking it in very clearly, and he understood exactly the logic of what was being presented to him. Anyway, so this ties in because the hip podcasters, Rogan, Ian Carroll, you can- Theo Vaughn.

Theo Vaughn, who is now a buddy-buddy with Jake Shields and all this stuff. This is the united front of hipness on the pro-Palestinian side on the Israel's committing genocide stuff. So what's your take on that? You wrote an article about it in March. There's been some changes since Douglas Murray went on the show.

So give us an up-to-date snapshot of where you're at with all this stuff. Much more concerned than I was in March. So I think if there are changes, they've only been for the worse. So I think there's a couple of things happening here. A year ago, or maybe I want to take October 7th out of this, two or three years ago, if you had asked me to describe anti-Semitism as it exists on the right and on the left. I would have said anti-Semitism on the right is a physical problem. The anti-Semites that exist on the right are a fringe group of skinheads who want to physically kill Jews. And the anti-Semitism that exists on the left is an

ideological problem. It's a group of people who want to remove Jews from the hierarchical institutions they've built. So if they're all for DEI, Jews can't be part of that table. If they're all for minorities having power, Jews are not a real minority, etc. Today, we have both problems in both spaces. There's physical anti-Semitism on the left, like this guy who just shot up two people in D.C. Was he a left winger? Oh, yeah. Total socialist. An Egyptian. Like totally socialist, like indoctrinated college, higher ed, like off the deep end. And then there is an ideological problem on the right where we can like really no longer take for granted that most conservatives are like reliably pro-Israel and reliably philo-Semitic because now we have like an increasing number of MAGA, which is obviously the dominant strain of conservative ideology today, that is actually incredibly hostile to

Israel and I think more interestingly and more troublingly, incredibly hostile to Jews. And I say more troublingly because there has always been a strain of isolationism on the right. And fundamentally, if someone's politics leads them to believe that America should not have strong partnerships with other countries, I might like think that's dumb, but that doesn't make that person an anti-Semite. Like I can respect that that's a point of view that I vehemently disagree with and think leads them to the wrong conclusions, but I don't go to bed at night concerned that that person's waking up and looking for ways to like hurt us. But that's not what's happening on the right

anymore. It's not just about political isolationism and thinking like Israel is, you know, taking too much aid from the U S it's like many steps after that, that we're seeing on the right. So, um, well say more about it. So there's Holocaust denial, which is spreading rampant. Jake Shields is kind of king of that right now. And there's David Irving theories, which Tucker Carlson, as via Daryl Cooper, is spouting out. And then there is this collapse of any kind of stigma that used to exist that thou shalt not be buddy, buddy with a Holocaust denier, right?

Like this is no, so that even people who was, and yeah, he says some wacky things about denying that, but he's still cool. And then, and like Ian Carroll and, and you know, this filters down to our kids yeah i think in many ways this is like the most predictable instance of a pendulum swinging back after

the excesses of the left so even if you look at kanye's song right you have all these people that are excited about kanye's song who you might not normally think would be like super eager to sing praises to Hitler, but they're looking at this song and in a very perverse way, but in a way that's logical in its own illogic, they're celebrating it as like a free speech anthem because he's daring to say the thing that we've been silenced from saying not that we want to say it we don't want to say it we just want to demonstrate that we can say it because no speech should be banned and that's like a very that is like the most predictable the pendulum is swinging back response to a culture

on the left that's like you can't say. You can't question a man competing with a woman in a sport. And if you do, like, you need to be canceled from your entire life. That's how she feels, but go ahead, yeah. You're entitled to that opinion. Thank you. You're welcome. And so in some ways this is, like, predictable, but the problem with all of these things is the excess, right?

So in general, I don't mind a culture that says, like, I want to be a skeptic. I want to question conventional wisdom. I think that's healthy. I think that's important. And honestly, I think it's the natural consequence of institutions proving to us that they're not necessarily trustworthy. Like, it's not a coincidence that this is happening, happening in the wake of COVID and the entire process of just feeling like we can't trust our government when it says masks don't work, masks do work. You have to do this. You have to do that.

Like the flow of information was not conducted in a way that made people feel like they could trust their institutions. But just asking questions with actors that are motivated just by clicks very quickly turns into, I'm going to find the craziest thing I can think of, like Joseph Mingala did not actually experiment on twins in Auschwitz. And I am going to make this- It's a tremendous waste of resources.

That's what it's like. Who would do that? Candace Owens says, come on, who would do that? It's a tremendous waste of money. My grandmother, by the way, is an identical twin. And the only reason I think that I exist and that she's alive right now is that in 1937, she was living in Berlin and her mother, my great grandmother, who was not an educated woman, but just had what we call Seychelles, a little common sense, gets a letter from like the German health ministry or whatever at

the time. And it says, you know, the Fuhrer has this like great love for identical twins. And like, we would be so honored if you would bring you your two daughters in and leave them for like a free health care, spa, wellness, whatever. And like, I'm sure. Yeah, exactly. We'll take care of everything. And she turned to her husband who at the time, like really wasn't rushing to leave Germany was very much on the boat of like, what year was this? Do you know? 37. And they were living in Berlin.

And she was like, we have to leave immediately. And they got out literally in the nick of time and no identical twins survived, like none. And this was like, when Candace Owens talks about this, I'm just like, you can pick a lot of conspiracy theories. Like, you want to have a conversation about whether we landed on the moon?

I am here for that. I am a moon landing skeptic. Oh, come on. I will tell you. No, no, no, please don't. I am a skeptic. Oh, God. But Mingla's twin experiment?

There was a problem that the people on my side are just as crazy as the people on the other side. How can you say you're a moon landing skeptic? Who cares about that? Oh my god. Because it's a methodology issue.

I'm just asking questions. How old is your grandmother, by the way? Next. She's 99. Is her twin still around? Are you a January 6th skeptic? Wait a second. Where did they go? They got out through Switzerland and then they came to the US

In I guess they arrived in 38 And where's your grandmother today? On the Upper West Side Wow! You want to come visit her with me? Yes! She lives on the Upper West Side

I don't want to say her street Who knows who's listening to this? I grew up on 100th Street She's in that neck of the woods What's her name? Who knows who's listening to this? I grew up on 100th Street. She's in that neck of the woods. What's her name? Jenny. Jenny? And what's her twin sister? J-E-N-I. And what's her shush? And what's her sister's

name? Molly. And is she on the Upper West Side? No, she lives in Toronto. Wow. That is an incredible story. Can you tell us more about the conspiracies that you believe besides the moon landing? Oh, I mean, we all agree COVID was cooked in a lab, right? Well, we all agree that it escaped from a lab.

Yeah, so it was made in a lab. Well, that's not the same thing. Okay. I think that we all are on firm ground in saying it's almost certainly that it escaped from the lab. Okay. Whether it was a product of genetic technology to create a novel virus, that we don't know. We're in distinction without a difference. No, it's not a distinction without a difference. It's not. It's not.

But – Well, what about – do you – sorry. Go ahead. Do you agree along with Mel Gibson, the great philosopher Mel Gibson, that there's a cure for cancer. They're just not letting us know about it. No, I don't believe that. It could have been a gain-of-function research thing. I don't know that we know that. Is Macron's

wife... You don't need to pronounce it like that. Is Macron's wife a man? Don't answer until she says the name like she's supposed to. I have to wait. I listen to the person with the best radio voice dan thank you go ahead macron yeah do you think macron's uh wife is a man no i don't and i think that is to you wait do you know we don't but we had a we had a guest on we had

somebody into from uh from uh snopes and she well, I'm going to disprove it. And she didn't have that much documentation. In her defense, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot out there in terms of documentation. There's not a lot of photos of her as a young woman. There are some. You know what I will say? I happen to not believe that she's a man, but it really doesn't matter. Like, let's say...

Well, Noam thinks it matters a good deal. Let's say she's a man. Leave the poor person alone. Well, it matters insofar as it gives Candace credibility if she is a man, and that's the last thing we want. If she is a man, Candace will dine out on that for the rest of her life. Yeah, I think it matters.

So what about... Macron. And you don't think January 6th was an inside job? Define inside job. Well, that if without the catalyst of some government provocation or instigation, that it would have still happened. Do I think that his supporters were fired up by the things he said? Yes. I don't think it's possible to argue that.

Do I think that he specifically said to them, please violently overtake the Capitol? No. No, do you think the FBI egged them on? Oh, no. Oh, okay, okay, okay, yes. Do you? No, but these are the conspiracies that wacky people who are moon landing skeptics.

Well, the moon landing is the most, of the conspiracies we've just named, the moon landing seems to me to be the most outlandish. Guys, we can't do anything in this country. How did we named, the moon landing seems to me to be the most outlandish. Guys, we can't do anything in this country. How did we land on the moon? Your GPS works, doesn't it? Well, we pulled that off. Israel created that.

And also, not government. Oh, it was the government. It was the government that had a large role in GPS. Just to get back to something, we're worried about MAGA. No, Jeffrey Epstein did not commit suicide. Oh, no.

Thank you. Of course he committed suicide. No, he didn't. Kash Patel and Dan Bongino, who have been telling us for years that he didn't commit suicide, came out and had to say- There's no chance he committed suicide. Do you know why they probably had to say that? Because they probably found out which government sources killed him in order to protect some other thing.

There's no chance he committed suicide. I just want to turn this table upside down. This is crazy talk. You can't believe things unless you have evidence. So Bill Barr looked into it. Now the current FBI looked into it. Now the current FBI looked into it. They say they have video. Where is it?

They say they're going to show it to us. Okay. I'll come back on when that happens. Brigitte McCrory. Ghislaine. I don't know how to say her name. Ghislaine. Ghislaine Maxwell is living fine.

Nobody's killed her. She has all the same information probably that Epstein has. That is a good point. She's in a minimum security prison or a medium security prison. And then, of course, as I've said. They haven't killed her yet. Yes. And what I've said, and I actually think this is an important argument.

There's no Hollywood movie where the blackmailer doesn't say, listen, and if anything should happen to me, There's no such there's no Hollywood movie where the blackmailer doesn't say this. Listen, and if anything should happen to me, I've given this envelope to my son and he knows to release it. Like if you know that you are likely to be murdered because the information you have, you do take some steps to protect yourself. Jeffrey Epstein was not an idiot and he had been on Suicide Watch. I think he tried to commit suicide earlier hadn't he or was the suicide watch a fake so that later when he committed suicide allegedly but was really killed they could go back and say he was on suicide watch uh did jeffrey epsi try to commit suicide are you asking chad gpt asking google um you know i'll ask chad so here's my question to you while I look this up

MAGA I am of the pretty firmly held belief that Donald Trump is not one of the MAGA anti-Semites I think post MAGA Trump is going to be terrible

for the Jews but I think Trump is true blue friend of the Jews. I agree. That doesn't mean that I think that everything that he does is necessarily long-term in the interest of the Jews. What is he that's not in the interest of the Jews? I think that we're in a bit of a dangerous territory where every time he does something on the immigration front...

Hold that thought. Sorry, I said don't, don't. jeffrey epstein was reported to have attempted suicide on july 23rd 2019 while in custody of the metropolitan correctional center in new york he was found semi-conscious on the floor of his cell with marks around his neck yeah they're good at this right did it in stages so they did it one time and made him look like he was trying to commit suicide and then he didn't tell anybody and now we're all shocked that this guy who would try to commit suicide actually, I get it. They saw, oh, this would be a great time to kill him because people will.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So go ahead, Trump. Look, I think some of the immigration, some of the college campus stuff, I think the idea that it's all being couched in this language of we're doing this because of Jews and because of anti-Semitism. I think he's actually smart for doing that. I think it's like a trial balloon with his base. He's like, I want to see how well this action is going to be received and I'm making it about the

Jews. And then I can always backtrack because like it's on a core policy. It's like something we did to try to protect the Jews. But look, I think like there are plenty, like many, many, many hundreds of millions of Americans who don't like a lot of the things he's doing that he's now saying he's doing specifically for the Jews. And so what he's doing is making anti-Semitism like a real wedge issue. So that worries me. But I agree with you. I think like in his Kishka's, he's totally on the team.

I think the post-Maga the post Trump MAGA world is a very different picture. J.D. Vance. I don't trust this guy. I don't trust him on anything. I don't trust him on like Trump, for instance, is very concerned about his H-1B visas. You know, he wants to have highly skilled

immigrants in the country. He's always said this. There was a debate between him and Steve Bannon in 2015, before anybody even took Trump that seriously, where Trump was arguing with Bannon and saying, no, Steve, I don't agree. We need the best minds. It doesn't matter where they come from. And Steve Bannon was like, we can't have all Asian CEOs. But the J.D. Vance MAGA types, they don't want immigrants. They don't want immigrants of a certain type. No, they don't want high – they don't care if they're high-skilled.

No, but what about if they're high-skilled but white people? They probably prefer that. But high-skilled white people are probably not coming over in such numbers anymore. I don't really – I don't know. You're saying they're racist. I think you're probably right, but yeah, fine. Let's put it that way. I think the broader thing here is Trump doesn't actually have an ideology.

He has a collection of loosely connected beliefs, some of which he's willing to shave and, you know, simmer down or boil up to work with the actual hand he's dealt politically. But like, he doesn't belong narrowly to a single ideology. And in many ways, that's worked well for him because he's managed to pick up voters who are from the left and voters who are from the right and the far right and the moderate right. And, right. And he's been able to kind of build this unique coalition, whereas the MAGA world actually does have an ideology. And I agree with you.

I think it's an ideology that is going to be very bad for the Jews, the way it's shaken out. If you asked me about MAGA two and a half, three years ago, I would have said I don't personally identify as a red hatter, but I don't think that they're going to be anti-Semitic. I think MAGA's like broadly very pro-Israel and very into the Jews. And I think it's taken a very big turn into more of the Tucker, Candace, Ian Carroll universe.

And they're the loudest right now. How that's going to shake out in the voting booth and like which MAGA will prevail, I don't know that we know that yet. On Tucker, it's all related. So we don't really do a good job of pushing back even on Tucker. I have this whole list.

He believes that we're studying alien cadavers. He believes that we're studying alien weapons systems. Are we not studying alien weapons systems? I know you believe it too. He believes we went to the moon. He believes that there's... Tucker believes we did go to the moon. I'm kidding.

That's how ridiculous he is. He believes that there's... He believes we did go to the moon. I'm kidding. That's how ridiculous he is. He believes that the American government has evidence of supernatural beings that live under the water that kill people. He believes he was mauled by demons. He believes that Alex Jones is a supernatural prophet and predicted 9-11, which he did not. He believes that dating apps are run by the intelligence services as blackmail rings. He believes the reason we support Ukraine is because of Israel. Hold on. That one's believable.

You don't think dating apps could possibly be run by intelligence services as blackmail apps? No, I don't. Just to say it, if they're not doing that, they should. Hold on. Israel can create an entire beeper company. She can take my job. Israel can create an entire beeper company to take out Hezbollah, but CIA can't make a dating app to take out bad actors? Oh, it app, yes. But that's not what Tucker was saying.

Tucker believes the general run-of-the-mill dating apps and porn sites are run by the – I think he said, I forget if he said FBI or CIA. And the reason they do it is to gather information on American citizens to then use to blackmail them. So I will tell you a funny story about Tucker, which is I was working at Business Insider in 2018. They hired me as their token conservative. And at the time, Scarlett Johansson had been cast to play the part of a transgender person in a film. And people freaked out. They were like, Scarlett is not transgender and therefore she cannot portray a transgender person in a film because like it's impersonation. And I was like, kind of like acting. And I wrote, to call it a piece would be generous. It was like a 400 word blog post that was like, this is a fake controversy. Can you all calm down? Actors are literally paid

to represent people. They are not. So this checks that box. Leave the woman alone. By the way, at the time, 88% of Americans had never heard of a transgender, had never met a transgender person. I'm like, this is going to be incredible exposure for the community. Let the woman act, leave her alone. Fifty of my colleagues wrote like a letter to the editor saying that they felt unsafe working next to me because I clearly was so transphobic and harbored these like impossible views. This is 2018. Everybody was getting canceled. And the editor in chief was actually no longer there, told me I had to like take down my column and write this letter apologizing for these like horrible views that I held. And I was like, politely fuck off. And he was like, well, then you have to resign. Like it cannot stay up. And I was like, okay, I'm going to walk.

And I wrote this whole like free speech letter and gave them the finger and like walked off into my blaze of glory. And for like five seconds, I was a relevant person on the conservative right. And Tucker called me and he was like, come on my show. We're going to talk about this. And he loved it because I was like a really squishy moderate. I wasn't like a crazy super right winger. So I was like an exciting cancellation victim because I was showing that normal people could also be canceled. So I go on the show and he's like really being nice to me and is like taking pity on me and I

don't have a job and I'm young and I'm an out-of-work journalist. And he's like, you're going to land on your feet. And he's like, he's really doing his bit to like promote me as a moderate, sensible person who he disagrees with on plenty of political issues, but clearly I'm principled and yada, yada, yada. And he was like lovely. And his team would like check in on me periodically. Do you want to come back on the show? How's it going? Production conversations, blah, blah. And I was really hesitant to call him out for a long time because I was like, this man like really did me a favor in a low point in my life when I was like, what am I going to do? I've just been like publicly canceled. This is like, you know, so embarrassing. But he just declined into like, I think he took his role as entertainer more seriously than his role as journalist.

And over time, he forgot that he's actually in many people's minds still a journalist. I don't think he believes 90% of the things he says. Really? Oh, yeah. I think it's all entertainment factor. And he's joking and it's a bit and I'm just being provocative. And he doesn't realize that his audience takes him seriously. I well, I think I think I think he realized whether or not he believes it or not, I don't know. But I certainly think he believes his audience takes him seriously. He doesn't.

If he believes that he doesn't care. I mean. Well, I think he doesn't care, but I think that he is well aware of his influence and that the things that he's saying are like actually dangerous. I don't think he believes most of the things he says. I think he believes every word of it. Oh, you see, I really don't. I don't believe he's an Academy Award level actor like Joaquin Phoenix, you know, playing a deep character like that, doesn't break character.

He's saying crazy things and he's saying them convincingly and he doubles down on it. Yes, I was mauled by demons. He goes, I was. What do you want from me? I was. And I think it's mental illness. I mean, obviously, it's mental illness if you believe you're mauled by demons. I always joke that if you go to the hospital and they say, well, why are you bleeding?

You say, I was mauled by demons. They don't let you go home, right? They're going to hold you for observation because obviously you're dangerous. That's not a joke. I mean, it's actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's obviously mentally ill. I don't think he's obviously mentally ill and i think it's a total cop-out when we talk about people

who are dangerous to us by just saying they're mentally ill like i'll tell you connie for example who may may actually be mentally ill has been obsessed with hitler since the 80s there are like transcripts and documents from court cases where he's been sued about different things and things come out in discovery about how obsessed he's been with Hitler since the 80s. If my son tells me, Dad, demons came to me last night,

I'm going to go into a panic that my son is mentally ill. Like, to me, it's... But she's saying Tucker is just doing that for theater. He can't be just doing it for theater. Well, I mean, is it a con? He's

one seat away from the president at the Republican National Convention. Is that because he's a comedian? Because he's a performance artist? Is Joe Rogan a comedian? Yeah, Joe Rogan's a comedian. But he's also the most influential podcaster in the world.

Right, but that's why I said performance artist. This is all like a deep, deep irony, and everybody knows he's just like Andy Kaufman, like playing a part here. I don't think it's as black or white. I think he's a provocateur and he likes to laugh and say things and say things that are outrageous. And then just be like,

well, I'm just, I'm just asking questions. Yeah. And you know, I, my personal view is that he doesn't believe most of the things he says does ian carroll believe the things he says yeah i think he does does candace always believe the things you know i have no idea i will tell you i have a close relationship with someone who used to work

with candace and i don't want to out this person. So I'm going to use the gender neutral. This person has told me that Candace is so obsessed with the audience and perpetuating virality that she tests things like she'll drop a crazy thought one sentence into a podcast. The podcast is about a she'll talk about H just one sentence. And then she tracks how many comments people have on that specific sentence, like a trial balloon. And if it's interesting to people, even if it's totally crazy, she'll create an episode just about that thing. And so what she's actually doing is like catering to the most radical elements of her audience at all times and by extension like further radicalizing the rest of them.

Why does it have to be the most radical? Because it's always like a crazy topic trial balloon and then she sees who gloms onto it. So let's think this through. So Dave Smith gets a lot of flack. He believes what he says. He believes – well, yeah, but he doesn't actually say crazy things. He really doesn't. I don't agree with a lot of what he says,

but I don't think he's out there. No, he's telling the Ron Paul line, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, although he says things that are factually inaccurate and doesn't correct his record. I agree. I'm by no means defending what he says, but he's not out there saying I've been mauled by demons.

Right, not crazy. But what I'm getting at is that I will like really pressure him. I said, did you hear what Tucker said today? How can you continue to associate with somebody saying these things? And what Dave Smith doesn't say to me is, no, I mean, he's just kidding. Like what, you're busting my balls about this. So what does he say? He will talk around it or he won't answer or he'll say, you know,

I might not agree with Tucker about that, but, you know, it's a free country. Take him out on his ideas. Don't criticize. But he'll say nothing. The easiest answer would be, are you serious now? You really think he believes that? He's just kidding around. How can you be criticizing me for being

having associated with something? That's what I'm saying. I don't think joking. Or he could say he's not kidding, but he's still a friend of mine. But the people close to him, Dave Smith is somewhat close to Tucker, do not think he's kidding. But that's what I'm saying.

I think kidding is the wrong word. I don't think he's getting up there and performing a sketch. I think he is provocative and takes things that he thinks might have a kernel, right? Like the example of the CIA running a operation of dating apps is a good example. I have no idea. This is not one of the ones that I think he

doesn't think, but it's a good example because he could go to bed at night not necessarily thinking that every single dating app is a CIA sting operation, but he could believe, by the way, like I believe, that it would be kind of crazy if intelligence operations never use dating apps as a way of stinging people because like everybody's motivated by sex. It's by the way, like I believe that it would be kind of crazy if intelligence operations never use dating apps as a way of stinging people because like everybody's motivated by sex. It's an easy way to catch enemies. And if so, like how can I just ask questions in this like sort of conspiracy theory which sort of has a kernel of truth by opening people's minds to think about this thing?

That's more the style that I'm saying he has. It's like conspiracy theories at their core the reason they're effective is because usually somewhere it might be seven layers down there's some kernel of truth somewhere well now they're trying to tell us that um this trouble that glenn greenwald got in this is uh his comeuppance for criticizing israel that, I guess, the Mossad or powerful Jews are involved in his dating app or whatever it is that he uses to

solicit these prostitutes. I didn't find that accusation to be that outrageous. I'm not saying I share it. I'm not saying i share it i'm just saying like it is outrageous well not it's not nearly as outrageous as we didn't go to the moon yeah i mean on the scale of outrageousness you know guys do we need to list out the things that our government cannot do successfully like think about the physics that are required in what year did we allegedly land on the moon 69 like come on well but they but they

but they couldn't pull off faking it which is probably even harder than actually doing it why you just have a video well you have to convince you, first of all, how many people would have to be in on this secret? You know, and then nobody's talking. Not even a deathbed confession saying, you know, who's the guy, Neil Armstrong on his deathbed didn't even say, you know, look, we didn't, I was never on the moon. Why would he say that? He wants to go down in the history books. Well, he might want to clear his conscience with the Lord and tell the truth. Listen, Daniela, we did land on the moon.

Okay. And is it made of cheese? So let me say about, so, so first of all, I actually didn't want to talk about the Glenn Greenwald thing because I, despite it all, there's something awful about what's happened to him. Totally. This is such a private matter that nobody, most decent people don't care what somebody does in the privacy of their home sexually. Can you just fill in just in case people can Google it? But there are things about it that bother me.

And so what Glenn wrote here was that, as for the content of the videos, I have no embarrassment or regret about them. Good for you. The videos depict consenting adults engaged in intimate actions in their private lives. Check. They all display fully consensual behavior harming no one.

They said, though we do not yet know exactly who is responsible, we are close to knowing, and the motive was a maliciously political one. I'm skipping around the videos, but the only wrongdoing here is the criminal and malicious publication of the videos in an attempt to malign perceived political enemies and advance a political agenda. Now, what that says to me is that I'll repeat it again. He says we are close to knowing and the motive was a maliciously political one, which to me says. Don't have all the details yet, but I can say for sure that it was a political motive.

Now, Glenn Greenwald has a huge political and he's on a many, many enemies list in Brazil. He has a lot of enemies who aren't just us. No, but there was a headline that he thought that Bolsonaro wanted him dead. He's neck deep in all sorts of Brazilian political scandals. And, of course, he's also known for being quite anti-Israel. But he does not tell us, he's purposely ambiguous there, about which political agenda it is that is trying to get even with him, even though he says, we know the motive was a maliciously political one.

And he knows, and people like Ian Carroll and Daryl Cooper, and people picked that up and ran with it already saying Glenn's being attacked for criticizing Israel. That response did not seem organic to me. Like there is very clearly a group chat of these people who got the top-down messaging, Glenn's being

attacked and we need to tell people it was the Jews because the coordination of language and the timing, like it wasn't they weren't even attempting to hide it. attacked and we need to tell people it was the Jews because the coordination of the language and the timing, like it wasn't, they weren't even attempting to hide it. Now, then the next, the next tweet he had about it, which was a reply to Matt Taibbi, he didn't mention the political agenda anymore. So he kind of like backed off. He just talked about revenge porn.

I guess revenge porn could be from a political agenda, although revenge porn is usually somebody – Yeah, revenge porn is usually not a political agenda. Not a – Yeah. He called it revenge porn, but it could be revenge porn. But anyway, so – Revenge porn would be like an ex-boyfriend. Yeah, but to believe it's Israel – this was a year ago.

The video is from a year ago. Oh, I'm not – to be clear, I'm not saying I believe that it's Israel. I'm saying I don't think that the accusation that someone like Glenn, who's made a million and one enemies, whether they're Brazilians or the Israelis or whoever, that something like this happens to him. Do I think the most likely circumstance is that it was an evil political attack by an enemy? No, I think the most likely circumstance is this was an unfortunate accident. Someone had it out for him in his personal life. Like that is clearly the most likely circumstance. But I don't think it's like a crazy tin hat conspiracy theory. I was mauled by demons, aliens are eating my insides to say like the guy does have a lot of enemies. It's possible

that one of them actively tried to find something that's bad, a bad look for him and leak it. Except the facts are that the guy is shooting. Did you see the video? The guy's shooting. You watched it? What's the matter with you? I had to do my research. The guy's shooting the video.

And by the way, Glenn Greenwald said that he doesn't know who shot the video, which is crazy to me because obviously the guy shot it. I didn't understand that also. That didn't make sense to me. Now, I'll say one thing. They also are saying it's video glasses. Oh, interesting. makes sense now i mean i'll say one thing the other thing is video glasses now now but wait so but video glasses normally shoot landscape this video was shot portrait you've gone deep in this rabbit hole well i know i'm the video i tried to think it through but you're like on the

ninth reddit thread but no no this is all this I generated this all myself. But if you were, um, uh, scheming, you could crop a landscape video to make it look portrait, to make it look like it was shot by a cell phone. But anyway, it really does look like it was shot by a cell phone. Um, and Glenn, which means that Glenn knew that it was being filmed. And then Glenn says, I don't, I don't recall. He used a little mealy-mouthed. Right. So it's a year ago.

It was posted by this guy, Master Faraz, who had had a Twitter profile for a couple of years. In the video, you can see other email addresses, and you can look up some of them, and they're conspicuous fin-dom names. So you would have to imagine that somehow Israel infiltrated this black prostitutes. Again, I don't think that this is by any means the most likely circumstance. You used a known sex worker to have his Twitter feed released rather than just releasing it

anonymously. Right. Which, and then somehow it got retweeted on Glenn's Twitter feed. And then it was like, well, I don't really know how that happened. Maybe I was hacked. I suppose that Twitter has the records, but it's not, not at all the kind of reaction I would have. I'm like, that that was I did not. I demand Elon Musk right now. Look into it.

You can really, you know, I mean, I. What are you saying? Glenn wanted this released on purpose. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying you're just asking questions. No, I'm saying that that all these facts make it hard to understand that it was Israel or that I think it's ridiculous to think it was Israel that did it. Now whether he wanted to release on purpose, if you read about this thing, financial domination, flirting

with the idea of being ruined is part of the kink. I read about it. So they're like the Dom will tell you, I want you to release this video of you like literally they'll do stuff like that so which of course would be an ingenious way for an intelligence agency to go after you right but um anyway so i just resent the fact that he's trying to fan

anti-semitism here yeah and i don't think he should get a pass for that, even though the sexual humiliation of all these is none of our business. I agree. And I actually thought the rest of his statement was like a masterclass in how you should handle

someone trying to publicly shame you. He's like, get off my lawn. I'm a consenting adult. That's it. That's all I have to say. I'm not apologizing to anybody living my life. I mean, it is interesting the way conservatives are so defending of him, particularly because, I mean, normally, if it was a liberal, you know, what appeared to be doing drugs adopted a kid they'd be saying

how could you allow this guy to adopt a child I mean they'd be writing and following if this video came out prior no adoption agency is going to let you adopt a kid right not because of the sex because of what appeared to be like a meth pipe or something like that

she's looking at the stuff they went back and forth between me. So I'm looking for this thing from psychology. Can you forward me all that just so I can see my homework? At least the financial domination? Yeah, yeah. So go ahead. What else do you want to talk about?

I think that you should make a list of, like, the top 10 things that should be made like a short format education about the history of the Jews in Israel and everything you think is missing. Can you stop scrolling through? Okay, so I'm going to read you about consensual human ATMs just so you know what.

But you just completely, you asked a question, I answered you and you just didn't even I'm sorry. Just hold that thought. Because I didn't know how to find it. Both the Dom and the Sub know that this is a consensual game they're playing and both are getting all fine. This is psychology today. Hearing the ding as money drops

into her PayPal or Venmo account while chatting online turns the Dom on while the Sub is turned on by pressing that button and being relieved of the responsibility of having money and turning over control to someone else. Threatening to expose the sub's taboo fetish to others, threatening to expose the fetish to others adds even more spice to the game. And not knowing if the dom will actually do it, if the sub does not obey, turns it up even further. So, and it goes on so this you know when i told my husband i was missing bedtime with my young children tonight to be here i was like it's really important we have some serious issues to discuss the jews and israel are depending on me to be there. But Danielle, it is all related because the Ian Carrolls of the world are seizing upon this horrible intrusion on a person's privacy to say, look, there's nothing the Zionists are going to stoop to.

Let me tell you why it's not related at all. Okay. And this goes to Perrielle's point. Anti-Semitism always has a reason, right? In Russia, it was we were the capitalists and we were the socialists. Oh, true. Okay. But also, so were a million other people.

And yes, Israel is conducting a war now that to some people is hard to explain and justify. But we weren't on October 8th. On October 8th, we had just like been totally slaughtered in our beds. And yet still, there were plenty of people, including millions online who were like, Israel is a genocide apartheid and we need to take it down. Yes, it is crazy that people are saying that Glenn was taken down by Jews who wanted to stop him, and therefore we all have to hop on Jews and be against them. But it is not related because at the end of the day, the problem with conspiratorial thinking and the problem with anti-Semitism is that like there will always be a reason no matter what. There always is something you find and the community says like this is why we hate Jews and so everybody has to come and hate Jews with us because like this is the thing.

It will always be a thing. So I think it's silly to get like obsessed with Glenn or any one other singular these are all symptoms of a much broader problem and I'm sorry Glenn is going through what he's going through but. Glenn's been very nice to me personally

so I just feel obligated to speak the truth on this which I just want to say that even though we don't agree on anything a few times we've communicated he complimented me on things I have nothing but sympathy

for what he's going through I have no care about what people do in their sex life even if I don't understand it but this blaming the political agenda and saying you have evidence, I think we should be standing up against that.

It's constant innuendo everywhere we turn. They're kind of like created a... They put like a... They cordoned off this. They made it like an electrical fence around this particular incident because, oh, you have a problem with somebody's personal sex life, and therefore he's supposed to get a pass to do what he's doing, what he obviously intends here with this innuendo. And I think Glenn Greenwald would not give that a pass in the other direction.

That would be exactly the kind of thing he would. If this was a mirror image, what I'm saying is exactly what Glenn Greenwald would say. Don't use that as, excuse me, I can't criticize the fact that you're Israeli. He would never say that. He'd be like, no, I don't care. That's kind of his position on Hunter Biden was.

I don't care about Hunter Biden and the prostitutes and the crack whores and all that stuff, but don't tell me I can't talk about Hunter Biden's the prostitutes and the crack whores and all that stuff. But don't tell me I can't talk about Hunter Biden's corruption. When I was at ABC, there's a company wide email, the distro list, and you can send to like different versions of it, how company wide, whatever. But all of the emails go to like many thousands of employees. And I was there when all of the Hunter Biden stuff started to pop up. And I'll never forget, there was like a memo from legal that came through on the distro list, like company-wide directive, like, we are not going to be covering this. We don't know enough to cover it. Like, it's not real. So like, we can't cover it because, you know, there's not enough to report. And of

course, you know, it all ended up checking out. But you would think the job of like investigative reporters would be to actually actually run down this lead, not to be told by standards that you can't run it down. You're talking about the emails? The whole laptop situation. And they knew it was real. They knew it was real, A, because there was an FBI evidence number that Fox News had already...

But this is why conspiritual level thinking is more impactful right now than it has been, I would argue, maybe ever, but certainly in like living memory because we've had time after time after time of institutions we trust getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar. And all of a sudden, plenty of normal people who aren't as skeptical of the moon landing as me are saying, wait, maybe all these other things are also not true. Okay, but this is very interesting. I don't know why I didn't think of this before. Everybody was saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian plant. It was a hoax. Joe Biden even said it in the debate when he knew full well it wasn't.

And we thought, that's ridiculous. How can you try to blame this on the Russians? That's a great point. And now they're trying to blame it on the Jews. And we're supposed to be – the very people who ridiculed the people about the Russian provenance of the laptop. I'm going to steal that tweet tonight. You're going to see me plagiarize your point of view.

And it's going to say that's awesome. Anyone who thinks that Glenn was blackmailed by the Israelis is the same as Joe Biden saying that Hunter Biden was just a Russian. It is. And the reason we knew and it's similar to this, the reason we knew that the Hunter Biden laptop was real was because not a single person came forward and said, no, that's not my email.

Yeah. There were thousands of emails released or whatever it is. And all you needed was one person to say, check my email. I never sent that email. And then the whole laptop story would fall apart. And all those people at Mission Control, not one of them said, look, we didn't really.

And they throw all the papers in the air, you know. By the way, I don't know if you guys have read Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson's new book, Original Sin. Nobody has. Probably only like 30,000 copies are sold or something. I devoured it oh yeah i think it is however bad you thought the biden deterioration they're lying to us the country is run by an unelected cabal of people like however bad you already think that was it is so much worse

and was going on for so much longer and there there were so many more people guilty in it. It is talk about why we don't trust institutions anymore. We're really devastating. I know. And you hear all the excuses and Jake Tapper, I've heard him doing a few interviews and he almost has me until I stopped for two seconds and think, wait a second. If Donald Trump was coming out on stage and having those kind of lapses,

you're telling me those same reporters at CNN would have handled it the same way? They would have been all over it. They would have been looking at a full proctological exam of Donald Trump if any one of those incidents had happened. I was joking the other night with some friends. Remember when he was, it was icy and that long platform and he had trouble walking? And they – he's decrepit. Obviously, they were covering for Joe Biden. I mean – I was sitting – I was watching the debate at a, like, Democratic debate-watching party, and I was sitting next to, like, a few –

Do they know who you were? No. I was sitting next to a few, do they know do they know who you were I was sitting next to a few like senior Dem strategist types and within like five minutes of Biden talking they were all like huddled in the corner like starting a group chat with three other people and like are we putting in Whitmer is Kamala running what's gonna happen and like it was all just unfolding in real time and I was like taking furious notes because I was like, I am going to want to remember this night and watching this in real time like this is but that timeline was so compressed. Like I had forgotten that it was in

the same three week period that Trump was shot. I didn't have the debate and then ultimately withdrew. Like that was all in one three week period. Well, I'm going to wrap it up. If you had watched this podcast, you would have seen me predict that Joe Biden was going to come undone at that debate. Do you remember this, Pariyal? And my logic was that all the rules that Biden had insisted on were going to be his undoing. Biden insisted that Trump might be turned off

in between the answers. So then Trump couldn't interrupt him. So that looked better. And they wanted an empty studio. And my point was Trump, when he's in front of an audience, he plays to the crowd. You're so right. Which looks overbearing on camera. And then I said, but Biden is going to have to talk directly to camera in an empty room.

You're so right. He rose to the occasion at the State of the Union address because people do rise to the occasion in front of crowds. It's almost a human thing. I said, but he's going to shut down in an empty room alone to camera. You remember me saying that? Yeah, you're so right.

And then, of course, Peril didn't get the video together and they released it the day after the debate. And you're still working here after that? Do you remember that? And I called them out on Twitter and then I felt bad about it. Oh yeah, that's not classy. No, it wasn't. Somebody dinged me on... I mean, I was...

Yeah, it wasn't classy. I can't excuse it. Because it was such a moment of glory for me. I really called, and then something happened. All right. All right. These things happen.

It might be time to move on. All right. So what did we learn today? We're fucked. No, that's not what we learned. No? No. Okay.

That's not what we learned. Is that edgy series still available? Yes. And it's still getting a lot of clicks or it's dying down? No, it continues to chug along. I want my daughter to watch it. How many children do you have? Two.

I have three. How old? I don't like to talk about my kids on public platforms. There's a lot of crazy people in the world. I have my son Manny starting 12 tomorrow. Oh, well, great. Happy birthday, Manny. And last week, my son Benny turned eight.

And my daughter's 13. I said that I think that you should make a list of 10 points of what everyone needs to know in these bite-sized series. Edgy series. Yeah. The problem is that this thing with the food, I think they made a mistake by doing that. I like this new regime they have of handing out the aid directly so Hamas can't take it and Hamas can't sell it. And apparently this was a source of income, but they could have done that two months ago. They didn't need to hold up the food. I mean, they have this theory, I believe. They've done the math, and there is enough food in Gaza based on all the deliveries, and Hamas is hoarding it,

and this will force Hamas to give up the food or stoke dissension among the Gazans. But this is, no matter how you slice it, it's using hunger as a weapon, and that doesn't sit well with them. I have a question, though. I agree with everything you're saying, and I think it's using hunger as a weapon. And that doesn't sit well with me. I have a question, though. Which one? I agree with everything you're saying. And I think it's horrible, like, on a practical, actual level, and also obviously horrible when it comes to optics. I think the challenge that Israel faces,

and, like, I wake up every morning very grateful that I am not prime minister of Israel and don't have to make these decisions, is if you... And, like, it sounds like a talking point, but like the food is a great example. It can't be that Israel is required to care more and worry more about the civilian population of its enemies than the people governing the civilian population of its enemies are. It can't fight a war for the security and safety of its own civilians while also ensuring the security and safety of its enemy population. Like that is just not a war a country can win. And so I agree with everything you're saying.

And I don't think there's like a nice little bow to tie on this. There's no like. And so my solution is this. Like there's no solution. This is like a devastating war. It's extremely shitty. And I don't know how you fight with an enemy population that actively wants its own people to die because that.

And keep saying that. Yeah. Consistently. I agree with everything you're saying. Also, I'm also wondering why nobody's feeding the hostages. Like if there's. Or giving them back, like you want the war to stop, put the hostages. Like if there's... Or giving them back.

Like you want the war to stop? Put the hostages in a boat, ship them out to sea, and say, go pick them up, Israelis. I think they made a mistake on this last... It was a tactical decision that it didn't get them anything. It got them a lot of bad press

and some people turned, like Piers Morgan's like, I've had enough with Israel. Hold on. I don't agree with you. It didn't get them anything. We can have a conversation about whether it was worth it, which I certainly do not have the answer to.

What did it get them? Many more Gazans have risen up in the last three months against Hamas than have risen up in the entire year and a half before. Yeah, that was starting before that. And you're right. Maybe this helped that along. Maybe this fueled that. Maybe it didn't. I don't know. I don't know either. I'm just saying I don't think we can like write off that it didn't achieve anything. And by the way, again, just to be clear, I'm not saying that that's like a worthwhile reason, but I'm also very grateful I don't have to make these decisions. Listen, it's devastating what's going on there.

There's no doubt about that. I think about that, you know, all day long. But again, you know, I'm also wondering why my understanding is, is that Hamas just turned down another ceasefire proposal. I mean, it's insane, right? I think this is the fifth they've turned down. What is... Well, they're not going to give up the hostages. But it's insane that

that's an idea that we're supposed to accept. Right. No, we shouldn't accept it. Because once they give up the hostages, they're exposed. But, I mean... When you lose a war, it ends with your surrender. That's how war ends. Otherwise, the war keeps going. And like we in the Western world have lost our appetite for that, which I understand because it's nasty business.

But that's just the way wars work. Not always, but yes. I mean the previous Israeli wars didn't end that way. Israel has always been, and I would argue like this is why it continues to have wars every five seconds, never allowed to win a war. No, I agree. The Vietnam War is another one that there was no surrender. Many wars.

But then other wars, like the Civil War and the war against Japan, the war against Germany, did not end until there was unconditional surrender. And we were not going to give up on unconditional surrender, even if the Japanese had taken hostages. But I guess maybe the last thing we talk about, I think that this recent thing that happened in Ukraine, where they armed a bunch of $400 drones and took out 30% of the... This is the future of what Israel is going to have to deal with if it allows

Hamas to stay in power. Do we talk about this? Lethality is getting cheaper and more miniaturized and more ubiquitous. This notion that Israel had ever been an outdoor prison and a concentration

camp is totally belied by the fact that almost two years after the beginning of this war, they still have rocket parts. So you're telling me they were able to smuggle in all this ammunition, all these rockets, all this stuff, but they were somehow not able to smuggle in food? The drone warfare situation is definitely going to be a massive problem not just for israel but like for all armies that have a military advantage because suddenly you're going to have enemies that for 400 bucks can actually do a lot of damage and not that much technology um well they have to they also have to have the intention to want to attack. And there's not that many actual nations that are forbearing on attacking other nations. Yeah, but if the barrier to entry is a $400 drone, you don't need to be a nation.

Right. Any number of rogue actors, small groups. Right. That's why I don't believe Israel can allow seeing this. How can they let Hamas stay in charge there? Because they know Hamas is swearing to do it again. I was talking about the blockade before because they know for a fact that they can't keep this stuff out. No matter how hard they try a blockade, they're able to smuggle in rocket parts.

So they can smuggle in miniaturized drones. And they cannot defend against it. And time and technology, time is their enemy. Technology is their enemy. And so they have to try to eliminate that intention. The intention is no longer tolerable. 50 years ago, the intention you could live with. It doesn't matter what they want to do.

They can't do it. Yeah. Now, like, how are we going to stop them? They're going to do this every few. So that's, you know, that's a very compelling argument. Again, I wouldn't want to be the prime minister either. Now, I'm sure Netanyahu was quite aware of this prior to the Ukrainian thing. And that's the situation that they're in.

And I mean, I have a lot to say about that, but another time. But it's very upsetting, right? It's very upsetting, right? It's very upsetting because, as you said, Hamas will make sure that more and more of their own people are killed. You know, I looked up – did you ever read the movie The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe? Read the book or see the – Read the book, The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. I believe the opening scene there is when the kids are being whisked off to the countryside because the Brits were expecting the Blitz. The Kindertransport, I think.

Yeah, something like that. And it occurred to me as I looked it up, and I said, well, are there many historic examples of evacuations when a nation knew it was about to be attacked? And there's many of them. Millions of people evacuated when a country expected an incoming attack. Hamas

told its people to stay in place. It's almost unprecedented. I don't know that they could have gone. The neighboring countries wouldn't take them, I don't think. No, they could have gone. Like Israel said, Israel said, we want to evacuate southern Gaza. Was it northern Gaza was first. Everybody moved to the south.

And Hamas says, don't move to the south. Stay where you are. It's completely unprecedented that, and of course, there's no bomb shelters and all the things we've heard a million times already. But the notion that the government, given the opportunity to evacuate its citizens, did exactly the opposite is unprecedented. And then when people quote these higher ratio of civilians to fighters and blah, blah, blah, I say, yeah, but what would that ratio be if Hamas had done what every other country has ever done, which is evacuate their people when they had the opportunity? Or if they spent the hundreds of millions of dollars in aid they got building schools or rocket shelters instead of tunnels to go under and target the Israelis. Or war uniforms, right? And those tunnels are not for the civilians either. Hamas had made clear that tunnels are not for... They're not bomb shelters. Everybody knows the

specific reason you're supposed to wear uniforms is because if you don't wear uniforms, you risk getting your own civilians killed. Yeah, but they've said that. I mean, Hamas has been very clear about that, that they do that intentionally because they want a higher number of civilians to be killed. I mean, they've said that over and over again. They said, we don't distinguish. Yeah, they said things like that. They haven't said it over and over again, but they said it a few

key times, yes. There was a Wall Street Journal article about it where they found some communications with Senoir. I don't want to, I believe it's 100% true. I just want to overstate the record of it. Alright, so listen,

we're very happy to meet you. A little taken aback by your views regarding the moon landing. I'll send you guys some Reddit threads. I'll educate the group. On Epstein too, please. Yeah. By the way, Epstein, I'm not kidding, like at all. Moon landing, I'm like giving you a little shit.

No, don't buckle now. Stand by it. You believed it. I'm not buckling. I'm moon skeptic. I'm moon skeptic. I'm moon curious. Epstein, I'm 100% positive the man did not commit suicide. And the world is flat or round?

The world is round. So you're willing to accept the possibility that we went to the moon. You're an agnostic. I'm an agnostic. That's exactly right. I am not willing to accept the possibility that Epstein committed suicide. That one I'm confident about. Now, all the missions prior, the Gemini and John Glenn, that was all real.

Yeah. It was just the actual landing on the moon. Yeah, just the actual successful. And the space station that people go to, that's a real thing. Well. Now, Nixon knew about it. I mean, it's all possible. Kissinger I mean it's all possible Kissinger knew

it's all possible the Russians must have known yeah the Russians in the US were both in on staging it because neither could achieve it I think the Russians tried to land a men in women didn't they somebody get killed oh I don't know

I think the Russians lost people alright where can we find Daniela Greenbaum Davis Somebody get killed? Oh, I don't know. I think the Russians lost people. All right. All right. Where can we find Daniela Greenbaum Davis? That's it. Daniela Greenbaum. Is it a Jewish name? Well, it was originally Lazarovich.

Okay. It's not even, there's no resemblance. Wait, it's amazing. My husband's grandfather, my cousin's great-grandfather who came to Canada, his name was David Lazarovich.

And the guy at the border was like, Lazarovich is who came to Canada. His name was David Lazarevich. And the guy at the border was like, Lazarevich is too hard to say. Your name is now David Davis. That sounds apocryphal, but we can't. It is not apocryphal. I'm a skeptic. What person would choose for their name to be David Davis?

Yeah, but you know, you hear these Ellis Island stories. I don't know that they're, you know, because there are people with crazier names than that. Dan? Ricky Ricardo? That wasn't a real person. That was his stage name. Chris Christie. Okay. Chris Christie is

a strange name. Billy Williams. Well, maybe, but you would think they would at least change it to Dave Lazor. What about Lauren? Lauren. Yeah, Lauren Bush Lauren. She changed when she married David Lauren. I'm not denying that his name was...

What about Ralph Lauren? I'm not denying his name was David Davis. I just don't think it was because of the person at the... at the... you know, when he came through. I think, you know, those stories tend to be apocryphal. I think he's calling you a liar. No, I think she believes... He's calling my husband's great-grandfather a liar. Well, I think people you know, those stories tend to be apocryphal. I think he's calling you a liar. No, I think she believes what you're saying. He's calling my husband's great-grandfather a liar.

Well, I think people believe those stories, but I think they're mostly apocryphal, those Ellis Island stories. People changing their name. Well, somehow it wound up to be Davis. Well, people change the name, you know, but not because the customs got another cut. The immigration officer. He willingly chose to have the name David Davis.

Well, it's a strong name. I like it. You think someone willingly chose to have the name David Davis? That's a strong name. I like it. You do? Yeah. Okay. Where can people find you online? On X, on Instagram. Why are we saying X?

No, no, it's Twitter. It's the Tappan Zee Bridge and it's Twitter. It's neither. Because you can't, because Twitter can be used as a verb. I tweeted something. You say I X something? Where do you stop? Is it like the independent states of like Sardinia and Lombardy? Is it Iderwild? Because Twitter can be used as a verb. I tweeted something. You say I X something. Where do you stop?

Is it like the independent states of like Sardinia and Lombardy? Is it Iderwild? No, but it's Tappansey Bridge because it's just such a cool name. Okay. Also because the governor named the bridge after his, right? Didn't Andrew Cuomo name the bridge after his father? Am I remembering it wrong? Yeah, no, no.

It's called the Mario Cuomo Bridge. Yeah, it just rubs us to the wrong. I just. Okay, but like, let's just say for one second here that the alternative to Cuomo is Mamdani. So like, name whatever bridges you want after whoever you want. He has my vote as mayor. Absolutely. Yeah. Same.

Absolutely. We should do an episode about that. I'd like to have him on. I'm all for it. Mamdani? No, Andrew Cuomo, but he's going to win. Well, I don't know. It's really close.

Is it? It's within five points. Oh, God, I wish I could vote. Why can't you vote? I don't live in Manhattan. I live in New York City. I live in Westchester. Can you move?

Can't you register? All right. Well, but you have an address here. We're sitting in it I feel like we're loosely floating With voter fraud right now Which might not be a great idea to do on air She commits it every four years

Not anymore What were you doing? I wasn't doing anything I don't know what he's talking about Okay thank you Daniea Greenbaum Davis. My pleasure. Thanks for having me, guys. Wonderful to meet you.

More conspiracy theories to come. Bye. Good night, everybody. Good night. You should come to the Comedy Cellar sometime. Do you like comedy? Sometimes. Do you guys know Karen...

Burgreen? No. No. Karen... Margolis? Oh, yeah. How do you know Karen Margolis? I begged her not to get that nose job.

I pleaded. Years.