The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - How Binary Thinking Divides Us with Kat Timpf

Episode Date: November 10, 2024

Kat Timpf is a New York Times best selling author, comedian, and television personality. She's currently the co-host of “Gutfeld!” on Fox News weeknights at 10 p.m. and a Fox News analyst. Her new book, "I Used to Like You Until. . ." (How Binary Thinking Divides Us) is out now.

This is Live from the Table, the official podcast of the world-famous Comedy Cellar. Available wherever you get your podcasts. Available on YouTube. Also available on demand on Sirius. We're no longer on Sirius on their schedule, but we are available on demand. This is Dan Natterman, of course, with Noam Dorman, the owner of the comedy seller Perrie Lashenbrand, our producer, and with us in studio, and I always prefer in studio to Zoom. It's much better, but is Kat's camera too high?

Oh, whatever. I don't know. No, no, no. Not whatever. Max, is Kat's camera too high? Well, it's too late now. Anyway, we're with Kat Timpf. Kat Timpf. Writer, comedian, libertarian commentator, co-panelist at Gutfeld, author of You Can't Joke About That, Why Everything is Funny, Nothing is Sacred, and We're All in This Together. And her latest book, I Used to Like You Until, How Binary Thinking Divides Us. I have a question.

Why would Perrielle choose to walk behind you when you're the one talking in the camera when she could have walked this way? Well, you'd have to take that up with Perrielle choose to walk behind you when you're the one talking to Cameron? She could have walked this way. You'd have to take that up with Perrielle. I don't know. We also left out of Kat's resume that she was a writer for the National Review for a while. For a long time. I was. I don't know if you still are, but that was quite a...

That's not in the official bio that was sent to me by Perrielle. I've just been writing books now. Kat's book is very successful. I sent her a picture because I was at a swimming pool. My God, I traveled so much. I don't remember where I was. Was it Vegas?

Or was it... It was over the summer. I don't know. But you saw somebody reading Kat's book. Yeah, I saw somebody reading Kat's book. It's a New York Times bestseller. Yeah, they both are. Where was it? Oh, maybe... No, it was Turks and Caicos. It's a New York Times bestseller. Yeah, they both are. Where was it?

Oh, maybe, no, it was Turks and Caicos. I did a lot of traveling lately. It was the Turks and Caicos. And I said, I know. He says, you know Kat Timp? Well, yeah, I know, I know. She's aight. Noam, I hope you don't mind if I take the lead.

Normally, you do all the lead taking. But since this was a guest that I chose and I read her book. Go ahead. Oh, you read it. I read the book. I read it a couple of weeks ago, so I might have. And I read it electronically, and I'm told that reading books electronically,

it doesn't, you don't retain it as well. So by the way. Is that true, Noam? That's true. We're taping this before the election, just so everybody knows. And I'm wondering, do you have any predictions about the election? I know, but I did think Trump was gonna

win. I did think he was gonna win, for sure. I would just like to point out your great episode. This state, this state, this state. It's great. This many points. I would just like to point out very briefly that in all of my

years here, I have never seen you write down any questions. I have written down questions. He read the book. I have written down questions. People don't always read the book. People will sometimes, I'll be there interviewing about the book, but they don't know what the book is. But we are going to talk about the election, right? Of course we are.

Okay, go ahead. Is that in the book? It's not in the book. Now, this first question is not directly related to the book, but it's a question I asked of, uh, of Dave Smith when he was here. Okay.

Uh, cause he's also a self-styled libertarian. Yeah. Dave Smith is all over. So happy about Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump,

Trump. Yeah. Over the last three years, he's called for Donald Trump to be tried for war crimes and impeached three different times. And now he's all, anyway, go ahead. He changed his mind. And now he's all, anyway, go ahead.

He changed his mind. It seems. Yeah, he clearly, but other people have changed. So libertarian, I still don't quite know what a libertarian is. How does it differ from just somebody that wants a small government?

Say just your average conservative who believes in small government. To me, it doesn't, but I just don't think conservatives really believe in small government and a lot of things. Like I'm just for small government across the board. it doesn't, but I just don't think conservatives really believe in small government in a lot of things. Like, I'm just for small government across the board. I want, like, the smallest government possible. And I'm not a member of the Libertarian

Party either, because it's, I mean, they're embarrassing. Honestly. Let's be honest. Did you vote for Oliver Chase? I did. I wrote it. I wrote it. Was it Oliver Chase or Chase Oliver? Chase Oliver. I wrote it in. Is he going to win? No. But I just, I can't, I can't, I couldn't. I couldn't vote for either one of them.. I feel that way every time.

But you work at Trump Central. I get that. Including for Mr. Trump Central. Here's the thing. That's why I wrote this book. I get shit from both sides. I get shit from viewers because I'm not going to vote for Trump and therefore I'm a bad person.

Does Greg know? Yeah, he does. Everybody knows. I talk about it on the show, but then I get shit from people on the other side because I worked there in the first place that I'm a fascist. Can you make a moral case for voting third party?

In other words, if all you're doing is throwing your vote away, wouldn't it be better to say to yourself, who is the better candidate of the two realistic candidates? Because I don't think there is one. And I also think that, I mean, I vote in New York, dude. Like, everyone's throwing their vote away. You know what I mean?

Like, you can call New York for the Democrat. I'm calling it for the next election. I'm calling it right now. I'm calling New York for the blue candidate. Well, Reagan flipped it. Is there anybody else that's turned New York Republican republican since reagan in 1980 not since reagan no i don't believe so no i'm right now i'm calling it next election um like whatever for trump and trump in 2028 oh yeah that's right there's never gonna be another election both sides said there

was never gonna be another election there will be another election there would have been another election of common polymarket said polymarket predicts another election yeah there's gonna there's gonna be another election but it's you know, I don't, I get why, and I write a lot in the book about why people do this, and some of it, the moral outrage, people feel better about themselves. Like, if you can, studies show this, but you don't really need studies, right? When you direct your outrage at a third-party target, you feel better. You don't have to actually think about what you can do about the problem

or how you're not doing anything about the problems of the world. Now, is there any advantage to voting for oliver chase as opposed to just not voting at all and doing what no one i used to not vote i used to not vote but then i'm like i don't want them to think that i'm lazy like i know they're not paying attention to me but i'm gonna go out there and i'm gonna say and i write in my cat's name for all the other candidates i wrote in my cat my 14 and a half year old gene oh Jeans. Yes, he's the same cat. If you follow Cat on social media, you're familiar. Is your cat's name Cat Timph?

It's Jeans. His name is Jeans Timph. He's 14 and a half. I won't let him die no matter how much he wants to. I just want to add, my children are disappointed in me. For not voting? For not voting. I almost want to know, you're six months pregnant.

Are you going to keep it? But you don't have to in New York. I'm still kind of like... You are a libertarian. I found myself talking to my sister. I found myself being like, well, when I have kids and I still am thinking of it as this thing in the distant future,

it's not. There's going to be a baby in my apartment in three months. Someone handed me a baby right now, I'd be like, I don't know what you want me to do. I don't know how to hold it. Well, far less competent people than you have had children. Right, exactly. Crack heads. Let's just ask Perriell this one question. Does she have a baby in her stomach?

Well, I think that depends on what state you're in. In New York, it's a baby. Do you think she has a baby in her stomach? I think she has a growing baby in her stomach. Right, but do you think that baby's, that there is at least a difficult question? I have said numerous times, both on air and off,

that 99 point something percent of women who have late term abortions only do so because there is something desperately wrong. Fair enough. That is a very good answer to the question, of women who have late-term abortions only do so because there is something desperately wrong. Fair enough. That is a very good answer to the question, what have you said 99% of the time about late-term abortions? What I was asking you was, do you think... I answered

you. She has a growing baby in her stomach. So that's a baby. It's a growing baby. So you're saying it would be a moral wrong? Would it be a moral wrong? Hold on, she's going to give birth to a growing baby too. I mean, maybe. It's going to give birth to a growing baby. I mean, maybe. It's going to grow for another 18 years.

God willing, I hope so for her. My answer to that question is, yes, there's a growing baby in her stomach. Yes, it's a human being. And yes, she should have the right to terminate it. Yes, Dan. But that doesn't mean it's not a living being in there. It's a fetus right now. It's your...

Okay, go ahead, Kat. Go ahead. I don't know if... Anyway. About fetuses? I don't like it when you try to trip me up and do this sneaky little linguistic gymnastics. Because I'm always astounded.

I'm sure you probably feel the same way at how reluctant people who get angry, get angry at people who think that this is actually an issue, how the inability that they generally have to speak frankly and clearly about what they believe about. Well, let's ask our guest her thoughts on the matter. I'm always astounded at how people who don't get pregnant. All right. All right.

Yeah, I don't think anybody should be forced to't get pregnant. All right. All right. Yeah. I don't think anybody should be forced to do this that doesn't want to do this. But yeah, no, you're right. It's the people aren't just like waiting because they're not sure what they want to do till now. Like till nine months. I actually have funny you say that because, you know, there's just just before we came up here, there's this stat that there's way more abortions this year than last year. And I was thinking, why are abortions up so much? And it occurred to me that maybe because people are worried about the time running out where they're allowed to have it, they're deciding to have it earlier, the abortion earlier.

And maybe a certain number of those people, if they waited longer as happens, they would get cold feet and decide to keep the babies. So maybe by forcing a decision earlier, when they're scared of Trump's not going to let them have abortions. What's that? They're scared of Trump. Not gonna let Milani on her book was like, I love,

like she was like, I'm pro choice. I love abortion. She didn't say I love abortion, but like I've had many. She's like, I love abortion. I love abortion.

She was, I mean, that. She's like, I love abortion. She didn't say I love abortion. She was, I mean, that's, that Trump is. Every year. He's not like a socially conservative guy. Yeah. Like that's, he's not, he's. If you were forced to vote for Trump or Kamala. But I'm not. Yeah, but this is a hypothetical situation.

But I can't, I wouldn't vote for either one of them. But if you were forced at gunshot, you would take the bullet instead of vote for one of them. No, I wouldn't die. I would vote for whoever rather than be shot. Okay. Yeah. It's a lot of things that I wouldn't do. But then if you say, okay, so would you be shot, then I would do the thing.

So you just flip a coin. You're completely indifferent to one of the others. You can't be. I am, actually. What are the pros and cons? I mean, so I just think they're both just too big of government for me. I don't agree with Republicans on a lot of the social issues. I don't agree with Democrats.

I mean, both of them. Both of them spend just as much money just on different stuff. Who's better for Fox News ratings? That's tough because it really is tough. Because for me, election years are always tough because when you're like the both sides are bad guy, everybody fucking hates you. Like everybody's like, how could you not because democracy you're hearing it from both sides and i'm i myself i'm gonna be you know ending democracy and i don't have any allies or team now they're gonna be a little more chill about me you know saying making jokes about trump

which i do make jokes about everybody that's the thing so yeah by the way that's a very big uh wedding ring you have it's real too yeah so i guess yeah by the way that's a very big uh wedding ring you have it's real too yeah so i guess your husband i know he's a finance guy so i guess he does well let's get into the the meat is that lab grown no okay good no the meat of the book about uh binary thinking um how we're all divided into teams. And once you're in a team, I guess this is a thesis of your book. Once you pick a team, you're all in.

Yeah. There's no room for nuance. You either agree with everything Trump says or nothing Trump says. Yeah. There's a lot. There's a lot of that. I mean, and both sides do it. I mean, you see it now where it's like okay if you speak out against the team

then you're a traitor it's like you're not allowed to disagree with anything that this person says whether it's kamala or whether it's trump people i mean think about all the people like evangelicals love trump you know what i mean like some of the same people who will be emailing me telling me i'm disgusting because my skirt's too short are fine with are fine with whatever how many you know this man has not lived a life according to evangelical theology which it doesn't bother me I don't care

I don't care what any politician does in their personal life but it's on the other side too it's the same thing it's the same thing but he's a man well that's always a key, of course, right? No, I actually, I think the evangelicals, they know what Trump is. They do. But they also know that he was good for furthering their causes.

Yeah. The evangelicals like the Jews, too. No, they actually do love the Jews. I know. I'm saying evangelicals, they back Trump, and Trump promised to give them a conservative supreme court that would overrule roe versus wade and he and he lived up to his promise you know it's terrible but then it's you can't okay so then if you say anything nice about trump on the other

side like oh this or it could be as simple as that thing he said was funny like he's funny to me when people say he's not funny, I'm like, you've really, like, you've lost the plot. Or when they say that he's like Hitler, I lose a lot of respect for people. Because it's like, you can say so many things about him that he's terrible that are true. Once you start doing that, like, you just lose so much ground.

The one example I have from my own life, I literally lost a friend, because when Trump was... And not many to spare. Trump was... Well, I do run a lean operation. Friend-wise. I keep quality over quantity. But when Trump was

hyping hydroxychloroquine, I tweeted that I hope it works even if it helps him win re-election So in other words, I value ending COVID More than I value him being defeated I bet people were really defeated And I literally lost a friend

That's what I'm talking about What kind of friend? Who? A long time friend from college I lost a friend too I lost a friend in 2020 Because Joe Jorgensen was the libertarian candidate at the time. I had her on my comedy advice show that I used to have on Fox Nation.

And he was like, should you really be propping up other candidates right now? And he started, every time we were out together, he would just interrogate me about how could I work at Fox. In front of other people, we're all like people are drinking and a good time just because I'm not mean to people who are so it's it's both sides and I think it's people maybe don't have purpose in their life people I mean that I think that's probably is there a side that's worse you know I mean no because no one thinks that they the the Democrats are more into the leftists are more intolerant I think that's absolutely well I feel like feel like people who are conservatives will say horrible things

about me and to me, but people on the left won't even talk to me at all. So in the last two weeks, I don't know if I should get into this, but in the last two weeks, okay, I was at a restaurant, Il Postino,

with some journalists and a prominent figure who was wearing a MAGA hat. Trump? No, it wasn't Trump. And he was talking to the journalists. And this dude from a table next to us, this Indian dude, walks over

and just starts pointing his finger at the guy. The man said, you're disgusting. I don't want to be here in the same restaurant as you. And he demands his check and he leaves. Well, that's weird, right? Then, whatever it was, like a week later, in the olive tree where we always play all the major political events. Trump was doing this Madison Square Garden speech. And I had a sense that this was a major event.

And sure enough, MSNBC was carrying it, CNN, all the major networks were carrying it. So I put it on in the olive tree, as we always do. Now a customer wants to talk to you. You are revolting. And then three different parties, basically all the customers we had, three different parties complained, and three parties walked out. And they didn't just walk out nicely. They walked out and just dumped on me.

It's like I was the worst person in the world. And felt completely open. I said, listen, it's America. There's an election. I would show Kamala Harris. I show all. And even the waitress says, no, it's true. He showed this one.

He showed that one. It's like, we're having an election. He's speaking. And then yesterday, Devin Archer, the guy who was Hunter Biden's partner, he finds himself in the olive tree. I'm like, this is awesome. I can talk to Devin Archer. So I'm speaking to Devin Archer

and he's talking about being Hunter Biden's partner. And somebody at the next table walks over, I guess they overheard who he was, and says to him, you're disgusting. And leaves. I'm like, this is too many anecdotal experiences in a short time to just be. But if you were in Texas. No, no.

This has been going on since some people were accosting Sarah Huckabee Sanders in restaurants. And this was this became a thing. It's part of the resistance. I'm sure conservatives are not happy about liberal people, but they, we have not seen this rampant around the country and they don't like high five each other that you go harass somebody minding their own business in a restaurant and just start calling them names. That seems to me a very much, uh, you know, 2020s cancel culture sanctimony. It is, but it's also like New York and LA are, you know, York and LA. I was not surprised

that Trump won because I'm touring. You know what I mean? I'm going other places and there's roadside Trump stores. There's people where they're like they love this guy. And in New York, it's like if you even bring up his name. There's no Republicans in New York.

There's people who are like, I don't know. But not outside the city. In Westchester, it's like if you even bring up his name. There's no Republicans in New York. There's people who are like, I don't know. But not outside the city. Right. In Westchester. It is like. But what you think. That's what I'm saying. But just like we had. I forget her name.

You know her. Is this. I don't know if she's Palestinian or just Muslim comic. She doesn't work here, but I see her from time to time. And she was on. Iman Al-Husseini? No, a different one. Noor?

A pretty girl. I don't know. And I saw her on Instagram saying, israel fuck remember yeah yeah and she comes into the olive tree i'm like hi you know you want something to drink like i'm not gonna get into that with like to me it's very important in america that that you don't do that because then otherwise the whole premise of the country falls apart. Totally. No, and most of us want the same stuff out of life. We have different ideas of how to get there.

Most of us want the same stuff out of life. And, you know, that's, we need to remember that. Well, I mean, in your book, you made the point that we got to stop considering people that we disagree with as evil. Right.

So that, I think you use gun control as an example. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the people that, that, that are, well, you can, you can kind of. Yeah, I did because, so I was sitting in the green room at Fox and there was two women who were talking. One of them's really famous conservative.

One of them's a really famous liberal. And they were talking about gun violence in schools and how scary it was having kids in school. And the liberal is like, yes, I'm really happy. I live in this liberal neighborhood. There's no, there's really not guns. People don't have guns there. And the conservative who actually, you know, lives elsewhere was kind of like, well, yes, that's where I put my daughter in a school where there's armed guards. And neither of them told the other one like, well, that's the wrong, that's not the right way to do it.

They bonded over their shared fear. They bonded their the thing that they agree is a problem but they have different solutions for that idea and it's crazy because both of these are people who are no doubt getting screamed at online by the opposite sides of like you think this you think this and people will say something like you don't care if kids die which dude like nope yes people do everybody cares when kids nobody wants kids to die But we argue and you say that all the time as if it's real and it's not real. We know that's not real because if we really thought there was people out there that really didn't give a shit if kids would die, we would act differently. Just like we would act differently, people would be acting differently on a lot of these cable news channels if they really thought Trump was Hitler. Like they'd be making preparations for Hitler to come to power that would not involve going on TV.

I agree. I want to show the clips. Daniel, you have more questions about the book, but I want to show the clips from Morning Joe, the morning after he went. I have to talk about the book and also about Kat's bisexuality. Oh, yeah.

Take that off, Max. Kat, you're bisexual? Yeah, I talked about it in my book. So it is in the book but it's in the book but the only the reason i talked about in the book is because i i had a great story about it where i was seeing this like this girl uh and she was over my apartment and it was her first time coming over my apartment like staying over and she was still there the next night because that's like how women are right her parents her her mom found out that i worked at fox her mom was a very left-wing gender

studies professor and she was horrified and her family came to collect her from my home and because she and i'm but that's the knee-jerk response of like the team like fox news bad like i wasn't being sexist i was certainly was being homophobic with your daughter you know what i mean far from it right and they physically came to they were and i met a third mutual friend and i talked to my friend she's like oh her mom was freaking out that she was that you worked at fox and i still kept seeing her for like years on and off after that it was a made it more exciting yeah no right it did actually i was like i'm such a fucking bad boy actually because i work on this cable news channel. But so I had to tell that.

I never talked about it before. And I was nervous about talking about it, that people make a big deal about it. No one did. The first time I talked about it was I had a variety did a piece on me in my book. And I was like so nervous about it. And the only thing people gave a shit about was variety.

Oh, people that read as a variety were horrified that they interviewed a Fox News girl. Nobody fucking cared. Oh, this is a good way to compare the right and left. So I've known people over the years that worked at Fox. Now, maybe it's changed since I've kind of disengaged with Fox. Most of them were liberals. Like I used to be friends.

I'm still friends with them. I haven't spoken to them much lately. Like Julie Banderas. I love Julie. I love Julie. She was tweeting against Trump while she was working at Fox. And everything I've ever heard from people at Fox, at least years ago when I speak to them, was like, they never tell us what to say. Nobody really cares.

No. But I do not believe it's the same way in MSNBC. I don't think it's like that. I don't think it's like, yeah, chill, you can be for Trump or you can be for Harris. We don't really care. I don't think it's the same attitude. Yeah, I've never been told what to say. Also, my show that I'm on is a little more leeway, like we can talk about.

But you know people who work there who are voting for Harris? Yeah. Yeah. Of course. You think, does anybody in MSNBC vote for Trump that anybody would know? It is funny because the Republicans they bring on are like, Liz Cheney, who's like, okay, okay. So, you know, this whole Trump is Hitler thing. Yeah.

I know you feel this way, and I'm sure you guys must talk about it. You would think that the morning after the guy that everybody was so scared of, the last election, he's like Hitler, all this stuff. You'd think the first thing they would do in the first TV show after he won would be to discuss what's our plan we're in big trouble yeah hitler just won this is our last election we need a game plan to to protect ourselves from what we've been telling america for a year is the end of our democracy none of that none of that whatsoever can we play? So I was like, I couldn't believe Morning Joe and I was going to go today and make like a compilation of it.

But then Megyn Kelly had a thing on her show. So I just basically stole hers. But make sure the sound is working. Wait, Kat has to put her headphones on. Oh, you put your headphones on. Yeah. So go ahead, Max. So just stop for one second, Max. So this is – Every Democrat that we've ever sat down with dinner – One second. So just to say, this is the first thing they say. They say, how are they going to react?

Are they going to be scared? Are they going to be crying? Are they – like what's – like evacuation plans. Okay, good. Make sure you rewind it all the way to the beginning, please. Every Democrat that we have ever sat down with dinner with over the past five years who have kids that go to colleges say their kids are afraid to speak in class because they'll be canceled she'll be destroyed in social media by noon so they just sit in class quiet so stop there stop there so that's the first thing he says oh

actually you know all my friends have been telling me their parents are they're they're my friends kids are afraid to speak out in class. The free speech that the left is taking away from them, this must have something to do with the reason people are voting for Trump. Not because he's Hitler. Go ahead, continue. Which camera? Give me a camera to look at.

Boom. Oh, look at that one. If any of you out there say, oh, that's just like a conservative, white, southern guy, da, da, da oh that's just like a conservative white southern guy that's what you're losing no they have a point losing turns out the trump voters have a point that's what i heard and i didn't hear it from republicans i didn't hear it from trumpers i heard it from democrats over the past three or four years their kids were afraid to talk in class go on joe moore to stop all this spending.

As we've said on the show a thousand times, Democrats should be smarter on the women's athletics thing. 85% of Americans oppose men transitioning after puberty and competing against women. Welcome to the team, Joe. Stop right there. Bring up the clip where Joe Scarborough was warning the Democrats before the election. They ought to be more concerned about cancel culture. And they ought to be more concerned about, you know, the extreme positions on trans rights. He never mentioned it.

They were just a bunch of bigots. So go ahead. You might have to go back like five seconds here because I— After puberty and competing against women. Welcome to the team, Joe. Immigration has been a terrible decision for Democrats. Immigration is a terrible decision. When they let millions of people come cruising through the border.

Listen, we spent a lot of time talking about abortion rights. America decided not to blame Donald Trump. America decided, OK, I can vote to protect abortion rights and also vote for him. And we're not going to have these immigrants marauding us, and we're not going to have our kids turning trans when they go to school. So I'm not sure they were playing to anything that was smart here in terms of an open border, and that's what it is, an open border. And I think it's a bad decision. I hope they learn from it.

A lot of Hispanic voters have problems with black candidates. Right. And with other hispanics you've got some that don't like each other and and some of the most misogynist things i've heard going on and there's get out the came from black men i mean misogynist things so that's absolutely right so the final point is and the racism oh that's that's the traditional democrats the the blacks and Hispanics. They're the racists here. This is such a capitulation in a way, right, to everything that the Republicans have been saying all along, but they wouldn't admit it until after they lost the election.

And I just find it stunning. I know a lot of people who voted for Trump secretly, like men specifically, that were like, they're sick of being told this, we're bad, we're bad. I think a lot of people believe Joe Biden was a moderate because I don't believe, if you were asked Joe Biden, like what's non-binary and asked him to explain that, I don't think he'd have any fucking idea what that is. I think he has this note, he has like,

maybe he would pull out a note card where he'd have the answer on it somewhere, but think he has his note he has like maybe it would pull out a note card where you'd have the answer on his phone but he doesn't know he's old as shit whatever but kamala like she ran in 2020 as a super progressive so that's why when trump came and everybody thought it was so ridiculous in the debate and when he was talking about the the way he put it was what did he Transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison. Like the way he put it. But people were like, that's ridiculous. And I think it was like a TikTok sound.

But then people, it's true. It's true. She actually, she's on record saying it's true. So I think that there's a huge difference for some people between voting for like, yeah, I know they have them say this stuff. But this is just like, this is like an old guy who's kind of like been around. He was like the crime bill guy. Right. And then Kamala, she's on the records, you know, saying a lot of very, very uber progressive things.

And I think that people just get in these bubbles, man, where they're like, well, I certainly can't say this. And there's huge gaps in what a lot of people, and this is across all demographics. I write about this in my book too, between what people actually believe and what people are willing to say they believe because they don't want to they're worried about offending someone so they might be like oh well yes of course i also would want to pay for the transgender operation because you're like somebody is somebody her transgender somebody's niece transgender like i want to get outside but nobody nobody want no no nobody wants to somebody's niece yeah right exactly nobody wants to pay for a criminal's anything. But when you become too afraid to say that in the voting booth, that's private.

Well, you know, I have to say, this is going to sound crazy for me, and then I want to say something else, that if we accept that this is a condition, whatever kind of condition is mental, I guess could be physical. I don't know that, that needs to be treated. And we do treat prisoners for their health issues.

But kinda like, I don't think the healthcare is great in prison. I haven't heard that. I guess what I'm saying is that it's good on death row. Like, I don't think the healthcare is great in prison. I haven't heard that. No, I guess what I'm saying is that... It's good on death row. Yeah, exactly. The point is, it's hard to make the argument not to pay for the prisoner's transgender surgery

if you want to make... If everything else you've ever said is that this is a condition and it has to be treated and it's essentially inhumane not to relieve somebody of this pain if you can relieve them of the pain. Like, do we treat prisoners for depression? I bet you we do, right?

No, we make them depressed by locking them up into, like, No, yeah, they do have psychological care. So if this is the psychological care, like, what are we worried about? The money? I think, like, in the grand scheme of things, this doesn't add up to a lot of money. I mean, that's the same argument, I think, for treating prepubescent kids with puberty blockers is that if it's going to cause such psychological— we treat kids for depression and for schizophrenia if they have it. And if this psychological distress is so great, I think a case could be made for it.

I'm not informed enough about the science, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. The science is being, the science is being beaten. None of this should have ever been politicized. And it was just so politicized. But of all the transgender things that I might feel, you know, I've reached my limit on the prison thing. I was actually, well, you know, but that was a major. I mean, you know how many ads I saw about that every single day, which is insane. Right. How many prisoners are really trying to have surgery because they're trans? I mean, like it must be the most infinitesimal number, like less people even than late term

abortions. Well, that's what's interesting. So there was, you know, as we all have learned. I don't think it's a widespread issue. This is not a problem. As we've learned, not everybody who's trans wants to go through the surgery. Well, that's certainly true as well. So when a male prisoner says, I'm a woman, put me in the female prison, we have a right to be skeptical.

What's going on here? Is he just faking it? Does he want to go get laid? You could just imagine going there and having to find a girlfriend and just settle down. And just settle down. That would be totally something. Happily ever after. Some already dishonest person trying to provide a better life for themselves while they have to do time in prison. And say, listen, like say I'm a woman. I can go into the woman's prison. I'll meet a girl there.

We'll keep it a secret. We'll have a relationship, whatever. I could totally see that. But I don't see too many people faking it and getting surgery. So it's like you're really weeding out the people who are really suffering like yeah cut my dick off i i need you know so i'm you know i think for a lot of people it was just more like okay i mean we we all live in new york so we probably all like no trans people in real life right well several work here at the company right there's people in other places in the country

that probably don't actually have a trans friend or know a trans person IRL. They don't. And it reached a point, I think, where... Like that means in real life. Yes.

It is a very small percentage of the population. So for some people, they're really confused by it. And if you ask the question the wrong way, then it's like you're an asshole and a piece of shit.

Now, when you were bisexual, were you ever trans-curious? I mean, I married a man, but I'm still attracted to women. I dated girls. You mean XY? I dated girls. I never dated a trans person. Would you have? I mean, I'm married, so no.

I mean, I don't know if I was into them. Would you have married a woman or you wanted a kid? You wanted a kid with your spouse. Therefore, you had no choice but to marry a man. So I only I only ever wanted kids with my husband. I never wanted kids with any other people I dated, whether they were men or women. Like, I never wanted kids. You don't really need to have a husband to have kids.

No, but you need to have a husband to have a kid wherein your spouse is the father. A free one. Getting pregnant was free for me. Yeah, but it was free. But also, you're a husband and you share biologically a baby, which you couldn't happen with a wife. You'd have to have a sperm donor. You'd have to have a sperm donor, yeah. And so it's not the same thing.

Or a threesome. You could do it for free. A throuple, but then, all right, I guess. But anyway. It's New York. You could have a sign in the street, like, get me pregnant. People would do that. It'd be fine.

Well, I'm happy to give my sperm away to anybody who's interested. Because I wouldn't mind having a kid, but I don't want to deal with the responsibility. So it could be interesting. But my husband is, I never really wanted to get married. I was kind of fine without that. I met him and he's just, he's just so patient and accepting and cool and, and just nice. And it's easy. It's not difficult.

And it's not drawn. Like I couldn't imagine having a kid with anyone else. Could you imagine meeting a woman that would have triggered the same desire to get married? Sure. Yeah. But then you wouldn't have been able to have a kid with the woman. I would have found a way if I wanted. But I don't know.

There's never been another man either that's made me want to have kids. So it's, I don't have any kind of reference. It seems to be like a him thing, not like a gender thing. Well, that's what I'm getting at. It's not like I had an ex-boyfriend that I wanted to have kids with either. Whenever I dated other people, I was like, sorry, I don't want kids. That was my non-negotiable. I didn't want kids.

And then I met him and I was like, I want to have your kids. Well, but we hear a lot of women saying they don't want kids. And how many of them could be persuaded otherwise? Most of them. Most of the people I've known, women who said they didn't want kids, eventually had kids. I didn't want kids.

It's just, you know, it's something when you're younger. I know a lot of women who haven't had kids and who have always said that they didn't want kids. Well, Ann Coulter doesn't have any kids. I bring her up because she's also blonde. I was like, that is true. And also bisexual.

I start listing off people who have kids. Is she bisexual? No, I don't think so. Neither does my friend Camille. She also doesn't have kids. Yeah, this friend Katie back home doesn't have kids. I have a Katie Vance quality to me I think it's sad if a woman doesn't have children

Oh my god I really do Please stop I don't mean it in a judgmental way I'm saying it's such a joy Listen, you have children But it's a joy for you It's not a joy for you?

It's a joy for me too Are you sure? Of course I'm sure. Okay. But I mean, you know that I'm sure. We all know somebody. But wait a second. But wait a second. That doesn't mean that it would be a joy for somebody who actually really didn't

want to have children. There's some people who shouldn't. Well, that's true. I have two things to say. I've said this before, but I think this is very important. I've compared it to throwing a dog into a swimming pool. God, I hate this. But it's really true. When you throw a dog into a swimming pool, have you ever done that?

No. Because she's not a sociopath. I've not thrown a dog into a swimming pool. Well, that's the only way you can get a dog in a swimming pool. The only way you can get a dog in a swimming pool. The way you throw a dog in a swimming pool is... The only way you can get a woman pregnant, by the way. When you throw a dog into a swimming pool, the dog immediately starts to doggy paddle,

immediately starts to swim. The dog has no idea it knows how to swim. There's a part of its brain which carries that information, and it's activated with water. That's the way it is, right? It's like the life vest in an airport. Some dogs can't swim. No, they can all swim.

English bulldog. They can all swim, and it's all activated. So the thing about childbirth is you will find that you have a tremendous part of your brain, and men too, that is there and ready to be activated when the baby is born. It's already being activated in certain ways. And because you don't have access to that until you have the child, people who think they don't want to have kids very often have no idea because they haven't had that brain awakened.

I can tell you, I always thought I wanted to have kids, but as soon as I did have a baby, like, oh my God, this was the best thing. I had no idea what it would bring out of me. And so that, so the reason I think it's sad, of course, there's exceptions. Everything is on a curve and there's always exceptions to everything. But I'm saying that often I believe that women, when I say I don't want to have kids, what I find melancholy about it is because most of them, if they ever did have a kid, would be like, oh my God, this is the joy of my life.

I can't believe I thought I didn't want to have kids. And then, and that's it. I don't know if there's any science, by the way, to back this up. Yeah, but also, you know, there are maybe women who do want to have – dating is a disaster because of men in a lot of ways. Men don't want to commit to women a lot either. I don't know. This whole line of logic I find extremely problematic. It's like if you would just let me try. Trump won. We don't say

problematic anymore. Just fucking retire. That's one of the words. Just cross out problematic. Nobody gives a shit about your problematic anymore. If you would just try anal sex, you would really like it. There's something that unlocks into your brain. If you haven't tried anal sex, you have no way of knowing.

Something just opens up. You're like wow that may well be I'm not going to rule that out although I have limited experience with with doctors I've been doing this show with you for like 4 or 5 years now

that is the dumbest thing you've ever said I don't think so I think it's you're really like super imposing this really romantic notion of having children. Obviously, the entire human psychology is built around reproduction. Everything, you think you like to have sex? Why do you like to have sex? Because that's the way they get you to have kids. It's the entire neurological structure is probably 50, 60% devoted

in one way or another to making sure that we have children. Not anal sex, by the way, children. And- Tell that to the gay guy. For me to say that it's probably fulfilling, inherently fulfilling to have a child.

Now, of course, if you're struggling and you're poor and you're stressful, there may be... Right, that's what I'm saying. But many of the people that you know who say they never want to have kids, it's not because they say, I can't afford to have kids. That's really saying, I do want to have kids. I just don't think I can take care of it properly. That's a different matter.

I'm saying they say, no, I don want to have kids. I just don't think I can take care of it properly. That's a different matter. I'm saying they say, no, I don't want kids. I prefer my, you know, my job at the office, you know, whatever. And I think many of them are mistaken about what would actually fulfill them. Sounds logical. I don't know that the research

backs up that people with kids are happier. Well, when Kat has her baby... It could go either way. I could just be like, I've ruined my life. After the gender reveal, I'd like you to come here and tell us if you... Just to tell us if you agree...

Kat's got a busy schedule, you know. That a certain part of your psychology was actually activated and you started to have feelings that you didn't realize. I got I got no frame of reference. I haven't had a kid. I don't think that, you know, that it's untrue necessarily that a lot of people who maybe thought they wanted to have kids once they do, they are maternal and they love their children. I'm not saying that. I just think that it's really, and especially, you're not going

to like this, but it's true, especially for mothers that, and especially for working mothers, it is more complicated. Birthing people. Go ahead. Birthing people. Fine. Thank you. It's more complicated than this like glorious notion of just like having kids that you love dude it's not easy to have a job either of course of course there's downsides to it yeah tell me about it i'm pregnant and i have a job and i'm on crutches you know for my broken hip and it's that you got from from being pregnant yeah one more gossipy question before we get back to the book. I have some political questions. So how did you meet this Prince Charming? My husband?

Because they said nobody could win Cats card. I met him on a dating app, and then I didn't like him at first. Which one? Bumble? Raya. Oh, Raya. That's a fancy one that rejected me. And rightly so. I didn't like him at first because I thought he was too clean cut.

I always dated artsy type guys. And then I canceled two other dates on him. And then my sister was like, just call him one more time. Just do it one more time. And then he showed up late and he was wearing a hoodie. He wasn't dressed like a finance dude.

She was wearing a hoodie and he was unshaven and a hat on. I was like, oh, he's hot. And we never spent a night apart after that. So, I mean, I changed my mind. Why did you get rejected? What does this Raya thing?

Well, Raya is like this dating app, but it's invitation only. So I think it's based largely on how many followers you have on Instagram. I don't know how they make the decision. I mean, Kat's a well-known personality. It's for a well-known personality. How the hell did your husband get on this? He has friends, I guess, who are well-known people. And I guess if you have enough money,

I don't know, but they don't accept everybody. I met a lot of people on there that were not my husband, too. I actually don't know anyone else who met off Raya. It's a lot of douchebags on Raya. I'm sure. Like a lot. Like a bottle service nightclub where you have to go in front of the door.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of DJs and models. There are a lot of DJs. There's a lot of DJ bottle service nightclub Where you have to go in front of the door Yeah I think there's a lot I think there's a lot of DJs And models There are a lot of DJs There's a lot of DJs Which I never But I never went out with a DJ Why are there a lot of DJs? I went out with many unemployed men

Never a DJ Hey you went out I think with a comic too Yeah a few comics A few comics Yeah That'll go nameless Name names

Well Not naming names He's not gonna name names But How'd you find How did you find dating comics? Does it rhyme with Bo Sogan? No. No, I dated comics who were like, they weren't good.

You know what I mean? They weren't good comics? They weren't good. They weren't successful either. They weren't successful. And I dated this guy who was, I mean, he was abusive towards me. And I wrote about that in the book for the first time. He would get mad at me about being successful.

Physically abusive? At times, yeah. But I was, my brain was all fucked from it. I was like, this is my, for example. I don't get how some loser comic that abuses you. Because he was my friend first

and it's like a bad thing that happens to your brain where I had to have a ton of therapy to undo it basically you think of it you look at kat you say well this girl's put together she has glasses yeah and uh throws a lot of people off you know and uh and and yet she falls prey to i did this was 2015 i want to say so it was a while ago and i was single for a while after that and in therapy and awful I wouldn't have accepted love like I have for my husband if I wouldn't have done that is that how you became bisexual no I was bisexual before that fair question and after that I dated women before that and also after was there an itch that you because if you're if you're completely heterosexual, all your sexual itches can be scratched

in the context of a relationship. But you have a sexual... Not necessarily. Maybe not. But is that an itch that now can't be scratched because you're with a man? And so you have to then have three things. And then we'll get to the real...

You don't want to offend him by bringing another woman into the relationship. I love that. That's just like not what I'm thinking about right now. She's like six months pregnant. I'm very pregnant. I'm on crutches. I'm working.

I'm also touring. No, I'm not thinking about bringing a woman into the bedroom right now. Okay. Well, when you come back after you give birth, we'll get more into that. You know if it's a boy or a girl? I don't. I want to be surprised. I think it's a boy, but there's no reason why.

I just do. So you haven't had one of the 3D ultras? Oh, we have. I walk in, I say, don't tell me. And when they go between the legs, I don't look. They tell me not to look. Well, you should definitely do the 3D color ultrasound and don't look. So you just have it for posterity.

They videotape it. It's really like high res. It's really cool. And then. All right. So I don't know. How do we get back into politics? We just say we get back into politics.

Just go get back into politics. That works as a transition. The same way I transition from my joke about my cousin Sheila to my airline bit. Just do it abruptly and quickly. So I was having this thought. There's a lot I want to talk about the election and everything, but I was having this thought a couple months ago. I went to Washington Square Park.

I told it on the podcast, and I was just shocked at what I saw, like bums with feces in their pants, sleeping in the grass while kids were having to negotiate around them to play and middle class people walking around with that. And I was like, who would want to live this way? Like what? And it occurred to me that I didn't really know how to. Who would want to live with feces in their pants? I don't know how to put it properly, but the liberal – like there's a liberal idea that I think there's an overwhelming – sorry, I'm shutting my eye. There's an overwhelming majority in the country for, which is live and let live. And I think basically 75% of everybody in the country feels like live and let live is a good way to live your life. And what's happened now with progressives is that they're all about the let live,

but in some way they forgot about the live. Like, yeah, I want to be able to bring my kids to the park in a safe environment, right? I want trans people to get full fulfillment and satisfaction out of life, but, you know, I want my sports for my child to be fair. And you can go through any number of issues this way. And they just lost sight of the fact that as much as we want to accommodate people, the let live part, like yeah, gay marriage, that doesn't affect me, right? There's some people who really have a problem with that, but most people are like, yeah, that's live and let live. But there's so many things now that they want to impose on us. They don't want to let live about my views on

things, my, uh, the words I use, my political, uh, um, activities, who I have at my club that they might not approve of. Like there's no live and let live as, Hey, listen, if you want to have, um, you know, Louis CK perform at the club, don't like him but that's your business right no that that it's the live part of the live and let live which I think that is where they've made that mistake if they could just get back to that and understand that good decent people want to let live but they also want to be left alone to live their own lives the way they want to. I think that's that's the recalibration that the Democrats need to make. Am I on to anything on to anything there? I mean, I'm I'm I'm extremely live and let live.

But it's obvious that, you know, if you're not safe walking around, then you're not living anymore. But they're all concerned about the criminals. And we should be concerned about the criminals. And we should be concerned about the criminals, right? But not at the expense of my right to have a wholesome park. Not have feces everywhere. Yeah, homeless people. There is feces everywhere. I see a lot more shit than you'd think.

Oh, wait till you have a shit, kid. Oh, I mean, that's... I saw somebody shooting up yesterday on Hester Street. We care about drug addicts. Yeah, of course. We want to help them. We may even want to let them get drugs, right? Sure.

We want it to be legal. We don't want to see them in jail anymore. 100%. But we don't want the fucking needles next to our kids. Oh, this is another thing. And we want trans people to have rights, but you know what? My daughter's 11. We've had trans guests to our home. I couldn't care less who she sees as

trans, but do I want changing in front of my daughter? I don't know why I would do that. No, but I only brought her up because she's been a guest to the house. Well, you don't want any grown-ups would do that. I only throw it out

because she's been a guest to the house. I say, would I want... Well, you don't want any grownups changing in front of your daughter. No,

I have no problem with a... If my... This actually happened. If my daughter goes to a gym, I don't mind if she changes in the girls' locker room with the women,

but do I want her to see a dick in the female locker room? I don't even let my daughter see my dick. And there's no sexual. That's very, very, it's probably a good idea.

Right. But I'm saying like, very good news, but I'll get called a bigot. If I say, listen, I don't want my daughter to see a naked trans woman's penis. I'm saying that's,

that's the live, live, live. Like you can do what you want. What are the like, there are, there are to pose it on me, but there are people that's the live, like, you can do what you want. But what are the like- Are you supposed to impose it on me? But there are people, that's a sensible view, but there are people that are hateful about it.

You know. There are. This actually happened in the news, remember? And Perrielle took the side of the gym. But actually, in that story, it was the girl who was asked to leave the gym because the trans woman was given the right to change. And by the way, 99 out of 100 trans people I know be like, no, no, I wouldn't want to do that in

front of a little girl. They get it. Right. But it's just. But I think Dan's right. I think that people are hateful about it. And so there are some and I don't think small group of people that are hateful about expressing the view that you just expressed. Well, yes, there are. But you can you can really become filled with resentment very quickly when you have your whole life been an advocate for. Let's say trans people to be able to live fulfilling lives. And then all of a sudden, as soon as it now, but now, if you want to live fulfilling lives, that means you have to let your 11 year old daughter be exposed to penises. And, you know, they should be able to set records in sports events and say, no, I think I'm not down with that. Oh, you're a bigot.

And then they'll tweet about you. And this is, you know, what people went through. And then you're like fuck that and you get angry it's not hateful but it's deep resentment and then they go and vote for trump right but some some people i think you're saying some people are hateful which they are and i think that that's a very reasonable view most people agree that you know there's differences in terms of biology that make the sports thing unfair um and but you couldn't say that so easily a few years ago i was worried about that view on this podcast i was like what's gonna

happen yeah no but i think that's i think that being afraid to say that i think has made has made people resentful but there's then there's people who will straight up then just talk shit about the trans kid on the team yeah Yeah. Like being ugly or this, you know what I mean? And it's like, ew, it's like, okay,

you know, now you're just bullying a kid. Right. That's why I said 70% of America, or maybe I said 75%. Most people are not like that. There are some irredeemable people who are just ugly haters on both sides, you know,

hateful. But getting back to my question about which side is more intolerant, what's most, who's most likely to drop you as a friend? The conservative guy and you say, I want the trans kid on the team or the liberal guy and you say, I don't want the trans people on the team? There's data on this. The liberals are more likely to drop you as a friend. There's all data about like what if your daughter or your child married someone who believes in the opposite party and the liberals are much less tolerant? Listen, I know somebody who I'm very, very close to whose brother stopped talking to him and called him like a Nazi because he voted for Trump.

Meanwhile, this guy is not like walking around in like a MAGA hat. He's like the nicest guy. He's a corporate lawyer. He's like pretty conservative, socially liberal, and just like completely just like the most vicious comments to him. I mean, to be fair, Trump is a more provoking figure. Well, for sure.

This exists even without regard to Trump. But it's gotten so where people say, I keep seeing this. I'm sure we've all seen this. We all have the internet. Ever since Trump won the election, people are like, it's not about politics. It's about you voted against my rights. You voted against my rights.

You voted against my safety, my willingness to exist. And where did that start, that Trump was going to genocide gay people? Because that's an argument that people make. And I don't know where that comes from. They make all kinds of outlandish arguments. What about the Jews? He never said he was going to be a dictator on day one.

He never said he was going to execute Liz Cheney with a firing squad. Lon Cheney. Lon Cheney. Liz Cheney. I mean, they make stuff up about him. And it's filtered. which helps him so much. Right. And there's like I keep saying there's enough stuff that's true. Right. You don't need to make shit up.

Now, is is all this that all the stuff you talked about in the book about the the teams and the intolerance toward anybody with an opposing view? Is this new or worse than it's been historically? I think it's definitely worse. It's absolutely worse. It's absolutely worse. And the studies show that, too. It's been getting worse. I mean, I can imagine back in the Vietnam War era,

if you said you were against the war and you said you were for the war, I can imagine similar sorts of rifts. I mean, Ben Franklin didn't speak to his son because he was a loyalist. You know, there's always been issues. Just look at what happened with celebrities that didn't endorse Kamala, like, for example.

What happened? It was like McCarthyism-ish. Like, so-and-so hasn't endorsed Kamala yet. And then it's like... Not that they endorsed Trump, but they just didn't say anything. They didn't say anything at all. And it's like it has to touch every area of your life

or this person. And then because this person, they're irredeemable. The personal is political. Yeah. And it's like one difference in viewpoint tells you everything you need to know about a person. Like, oh, that,

say somebody voted for Trump because they, you know, are conservative, they're whatever, socially conservative or because of Israel or because of some issue that's got nothing to do with what oh this person's homophobic like no that person could be the most

like maga is person i know is actually like a gay guy you know he's a first generation immigrant uh he's iranian and mexican he's got like a neck tattoo and he loves trump you know it's like you can't there's everyone's it we need need so many people are individuals. People are individuals and we don't treat people like individuals anymore. I think that's where the problem comes from. How do you react to this notion? Because it drives me crazy that the reason Kamala must have lost is because America is racist and misogynist. So America is definitely like sexist. I mean, there's, there's stuff that's out there, right? I mean, I said that on the show that like the one thing men and women have in common is that they hate women, like, or they don't like women, but you can't chalk up all

of it to that. Absolutely. On this show too. Like sexism is a real thing, but that doesn't mean that everything is sexism. And when you make everything sexism, I think that like, if there was this overarching view, you know, if you're a man, you're automatically bad because you're a man. And if you can't do anything, I feel like a lot of men felt like, okay, should I just kill myself? What do I do? And then a lot of them voted for Trump. Look, it's, I go much further than you because it's, it's, it has to be rejected on his face because there's an unfalsifiable claim. What they're saying essentially is if we nominate a woman of color and she loses, therefore it was racism and misogyny. Totally. No, I agree with that.

It doesn't matter that she ran for office in the Democratic Party and didn't get a single delegate. It doesn't matter that she's the most mediocre candidate that we've ever run. It doesn't matter that Barack Obama won landslides. It doesn't matter that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by millions of votes. It is definitionally true that if this person that we've nominated loses, it had to be. Right. But then that also keeps them from examining themselves, too, and realizing the whole list of things that they I think the Democrats did wrong. Well, and this woman was so bad. That they were talking about dropping her from the ticket.

This is how bad Kamala Harris was. Now, yet they want to tell us that the reason that she must have lost, never mind that the reason she won is because black people moved to the right and Hispanic people move to the right. They want to tell us that the only reason she must have lost is because she's a woman and a person of color. And I find it enraging. It's so dishonest, you know. Yeah, I do not think that's why she lost. No, I don't. I think there's a whole list of reasons why she lost. And it bothers me as an American because I love this country very, very much. And I respect anybody who wants to fairly criticize the country. I grew up in the 60s. My father spent a lot of

time talking to his little boy about the plight of black Americans who were fighting for civil rights. And it didn't make him any less patriotic or raise me to be any less patriotic. But this lie, after all we've seen, after we've seen Hillary and after we've seen Barack Obama, this lie that now is filtering down to my children, that they're

growing up in this racist country. Despite the fact, for the reasons that I've laid out, that it's empirically and logically false, this makes me hate them. This makes me fucking hate the left that I have to like try to get around carefully in case my kids pick up something that I didn't say carefully and say it in the classroom. And then I get a call from the t-shirts you know what your son said about columbus day or something like that you know um it and i think that's where a lot of americans are at like we are fine with legitimate criticisms of our country but don't lie like that and and

feed this stuff to my kids and just because your candidate who was lousy and we know she was lousy because your own people didn't vote for her people didn't vote for her right i agree a little bit for her when they had the chance um i think these types of issues plus inflation i guess are the main reason that she lost i mean we voted for donald trump after janth. Yeah. After all the convictions and everything. This guy is a disaster. It's insane. But I do, it is insane. Those are our two choices.

It's insane. Kat, do you find yourself getting more hatred? But you said you get it from both sides. I really do. Who is nastier? Or it just is the same? It's pretty much the same. It's over different, it's just over different stuff.

I mean, but I will say people, the good thing about the conservatives is at least they will say shit to me that's mean, where people on the left a lot of times they'll be like, well, I can't talk, I can't associate with you, won't talk to you at all. First of all, there's a sampling error because she works on Fox News. She's seen

probably, you know, 300 to 1 by conservatives. Very few liberals. So even to have an equal number of people criticizing you, it means that the liberals are much more sensitive. I'm saying a lot of liberals, they'll be like, oh, she works at Fox. I'm not going to sit down with her. I see. Which is, it's like, dude, like,

you know that there's Democrats that work there too. Like, there's people who are, not everyone who works there is a MAGA Republican. People don't understand that. But this is what you're saying like about like this dishonesty, right? Yeah. Like it's just like people don't want to look at the truth because it's easier to just like just spew something at like the third party than actually be like, well, the Democrats did all of these things

that are fucked up. Yeah. And I mean, I think it's the same thing. It's like you work at Fox News, like you're a MAGA like lunatic. You're ruining the country. You're ruining democracy. You buy yourself personally.

Personally, yeah. Did you see your competitors crying? Yeah, I don't. Yeah, of course. I mean, do you buy it? I mean, are they... Did that override? I think that...

I don't really buy... I mean, I think that it's... Do you buy? I don't... You can't be that... Jimmy Kimmel getting choked up with tears. And although he's friends with Adam Carolla, which is a weird thing,

but then I saw some other people. Are they still friends? Yeah, I think they're still friends. They started together. I mean, and I'm a guy who cries, but I only cry at something very, very sentimental. I cried during the meatloaf biopic when Bad Outta Hell 2 went to number one.

That's the greatest comeback before Trump's. It was a big comeback. That was a big comeback until Trump's. It is an amazing, this guy, leaving aside. Talking about meatloaf or Trump? Leaving aside everything about his politics, like totally on a valueless way. The biography, the life that this guy put together.

Of course. It was fucking remarkable. Unbelievable. the biography, the life that this guy put together is fucking remarkable. Unbelievable. From like The Apprentice to now. Prior to that. Right before that. But even just if you would have said to me or anyone on January 6th, 2021, like, no, no, no.

He's coming back. He's going to win. He's going to win by a lot. He's going to win the popular vote. That's the part. That's going to win and he's going to win by a lot. He's going to win the popular vote. That's the part. People would be, that's the people you'd realize like people who didn't think he's Hitler. The majority of voters disagree with you. So you got to face that.

And now the left is trying to pretend that it was voter fraud. Have you seen that? Dino Badala. Oh yeah. I was arguing something about Facebook that suggested it was voter fraud. Which I love that they're suggesting that because it was so outraged that Republicans suggested it. And now they're doing exactly the same thing. You know, this is a big, I mean, kind of a victory blow for the elderly because his greatest triumph is at 78 years of age.

Yeah. So, you know, it is wild for anybody that thinks that it's over. But I think you really have to be so out of touch with what's going on in this country to be so shocked. Right. Right. Like you just need to, like, go through the country a little bit. I spent a week in South Dakota there and I was like, Trump is a lot of windmills fully winning this election. Yeah, exactly. But nobody predicted with the fewest people was going to vote for. No, but like you can just I mean, first of all, like you take it as like a sampling of what's going on in the rest of America. I think South Dakota is like maybe kind of an extreme example.

I understand what you're saying, but I just want to you just want to say that I want to be a prick and say the following. There's never been an election where you could have gone to South Dakota that you wouldn't have seen the Republican. Well, that's fair. The difference is what changed in other places. And I mean, all those swing states, he ran the table on every single swing state. Listen, this guy's like a brilliant showman. We were saying this the other day that like you were you were saying that. It's not just policy and it's that it's the ability to go out there and connect with your crowds and talk to the people. And, you know, I'm not a fan of Trump and I never have been. But like you can't deny that. But since October 7th, she's a little bit warmer to him. No, no, no. I'm not warmer to him. I'm just

colder for the Democrat. You were considering not voting for president, which is a big deal for you. I was considering not voting for president at all. Instead, I wrote Cat Williams' name in. Because of October 7th. Because of October 7th. Yeah, because of the Jews. So you didn't vote for Kamala. I didn't vote. I wasn't

going to vote for anyone. You voted for Cat. I voted for Kat Williams. You're not Jewish, are you? No. Does she look even remotely? I'm not Jewish. Like even partially Jewish to you. But you never know. Yeah, she could be Jewish. I mean you can't look Jewish if we learned anything

from October 7th. Well, nobody doesn't look Jewish, but I've seen Jews who look less Jewish. Occasionally if they were adopted. No, come on. What does that even mean to look Jewish? Does it look like a traditional Ashkenazi Jew? Okay.

Does what? What does it mean to look Jewish, like a traditional Ashkenazi white Jew? Or she doesn't look like a Sephardic Jew either. She looks like Eastern European, which is what she is. Scarlett Johansson's Jewish. Yeah, half. Kat could be Jewish. Yes, she could be.

If she did a 23andMe, maybe there's 1%. Can we talk about the Jews? Well, that's all we talk about anyway. Well, I'd like to hear. What's going on in Amsterdam? For example. Are you aware of that? You probably don't care you're not Jewish. Well, I don like to hear What's going on in Amsterdam? For example. Are you aware of that? You probably don't care you're not Jewish.

Well, I don't think you're the only person. Was that loser comic you dated that abused you Jewish? He was not Jewish. Okay, good. I was at a dermatologist before the election. Jewish. And she's Jewish. And of course, and she said to

me, she's like, where do you work? I'm like, oh, fuck. You don't want to tell she said to me like she's like where do you work and I'm like oh fuck like you don't want to tell the dermatologist because then it's like this whole thing and I told her

we're going to have Fox and she was like I had a cluster of spider veins on my legs and I wanted to get injected so that's what I was doing so she's injecting my spider veins so she's literally

like got a needle and she's injecting me while we're having this conversation and she was like well you know she was like I watch Fox like this was like after October 7th like a few months after October 7th and she's like yeah well, you know, she's like, I watch Fox News now. Like this was like after October 7th, like a few months after October 7th.

And she's like, yeah, because and I feel like there's a lot of that whispering going on. What do you think, though, as just a person who you are about like the anti-Semitism and all of the insane. I'm against anti-Semitism. Well, that's good. Thank thank you because that's not a given anymore i guess not i guess not i mean so i uh i'm a i'm a huge free speech person so i i a lot of the even hateful things that were being said on college campuses they do count as first amendment protected free speech right so i did say that i did get a lot of shit for that because i was consistent about that i It does not go

unnoticed to me that it was the first time we ever heard a lot of these university presidents giving a shit all of a sudden about free speech. Some of the same schools that ranked last in free speech were the ones that were like, oh, when it came to that. So, I mean, you have

to notice stuff like that, right? No, they played us. I mean, I agree with you. I'm a free speech person. But I didn't like... And of course, like some of the, like the camping is not free. Like, you know, some of the, you can't get to class,

like that's not speech. I didn't like their appeal to free speech as their excuse for allowing it to go on. Yeah, for sure. Because I've always been a free speech person. They had never been free speech people. They were like, okay, you can't have this conservative speaker on campus, but you can have this,

you know. And we know that since then it came out that like Schumer was speaking in back channels with the university. What's the name of the president of Columbia? Shafiq? You know know saying like just hold on to the election this is really just Republicans who care about this stuff

it's not true that is certainly not true there was no concern about free speech behind our backs Schumer wasn't saying listen you have to do this because we care about free speech it was all strategizing so they wanted to they came up with the result that they wanted.

How are we going to explain this? Well, we'll say it's free speech. Free speech has nothing to do with what we're saying. I would like to see another group of people being run off of campus, locked in buildings, chased down, and everybody just shutting the fuck up about it. Because you would not see it happen. No, of course not. Well,

anyway, the amount of things on college campuses over the past few years that were not acceptable and not allowed. That's why it's to hear it from those people specifically was like, are you for real? Somebody got like kicked out of law school for misgendering someone. Right. Right.

Like give me a fucking break. That's my point. There's no live and let live. You know, you, you, you, um? Like, give me a fucking break. That's my point. There's no live and let live. You know, Gutfeld must get a good anti-Semitic I think he is. I think Parsha. Why are you saying it like that?

Isn't that a Jewish name, Gutfeld? It is a Jewish name. I would think so. Feld usually is. I don't know. You guys are making it like it's so obvious who's Jewish and who isn't. He's got a Jewish name and he's a Jewish look and a Jewish speech. Kat doesn't even know. He's Jewish.

Like he has a, I don't really know how it works. It's like the parent that doesn't count as Jewish. Right? Isn't that like a thing? So he's half. He's half. I think he's partial. How it works. I'm looking. According to Jewish law. Your mom has to be Jewish. Is that it? Your? So he's half. I think he's partial. How it works, according to Jewish law.

Your mom has to be Jewish. Is that it? Your mother has to be. Okay, see? See, I know more than I'm giving myself credit for. His dad was raised Roman Catholic. Oh. He was raised Roman Catholic, but his dad was Jewish. The same as Bill Maher.

Bill Maher is... I was also raised Roman Catholic. All those Jewish genes. I want you to apologize for that sneer. Sorry. Anyway, he must get a lot of anti-Semitic hate mail. People assume he's Jewish. I think people do.

I mean, Gutfeld is his last name. So, yeah. I mean, yeah. And he doesn't look like Matthew Broussard. But also, I feel like the like Matthew Broussard. But also, I feel like the... Matthew Broussard does not look that un-Jewish to me. When you look at him with a trained eye that I have. Un-Jewish?

He doesn't look ridiculously un-Jewish. Some people have gaydar. Dan has Jewdar. And Kat does. So, that's the difference there. I look ridiculously un-Jewish? That's correct. Which, by the way, you can say that.

What you can't say to somebody is, you look ridiculously Jewish. Because that's offensive. And the reason that's offensive is because we're not a people known as hot. I don't think that's why that's offensive.

Okay. On that note, anything else you want to tell us? No, I mean, you're by my books. Yeah, by my books. By my book. I have a lot of answers to these questions and problems in my second book. There it is. And I look great in that picture.

I used to like you until. You say in your book, by the way, that you can look ugly. Yeah, I can. Which I find hard to believe. Oh, I'm wearing fake hair right now, fake lashes, a lot of makeup. I mean, you don't say ugly, but you say you can look

unglamorous. Yeah. Well, I'll have to take your word for it, because I'm not saying that. There's a lot of fun stories in the book, too, as you know. The girl in the first chapter, she's Jewish actually. The one that you had overnight? More than one overnight. How much time? That's a whole story.

Well, one of your lovers? Yeah. I dated more than one Jewish girl actually. Were they annoying? No, I guess I was into it. I guess I was into it. The two girls that I dated the most seriously,

they were Jewish, actually. Now that I think, it just occurred, I hadn't thought about it before. That's going to be viral. But that wasn't the reason her parents didn't like you. No, that was not. It was Fox News.

Although if you didn't work for Fox News, they probably wouldn't care. Because once your kid is gay... I never, my whole life, I never had a Jewish girlfriend, I don't think. That's interesting. Yeah. I never, I mean,

maybe it's like a summer camp thing, but kissy. But you as somebody who's so into the notion of the continuation of the Jewish people, such that you push your kids into Hebrew school, they don't want to go. The heart wants what the heart wants. That's a famous goy. And what does the heart want? A hot Puerto Rican?

The heart wants to be there. Anyway, the book is no longer on the screen, but it's... Put it back up. I used to like you until... First of all, your hair looks dark there. And Kat Timp is butt-ass naked on it. I'm naked. I have underwear on.

Are you really naked? Yeah, I'm really naked. I have underwear on, and that's it. I got pregnant right after this picture, so I'm glad. It's like that waist, you can't see it anymore. But it covered in hate mail, which is the idea behind the cover

is vulnerability in the face of hatred, which is what I demonstrate through the book. Because I think once we can share the human stuff about ourselves, we're more willing to see each other as humans. And I certainly share a lot in the book about myself. Well, yes, you do. And I think it's a great help also to women

that you reveal that you are in an abusive relationship. Yes, yeah. I do. And I think it's a great help also to women that you reveal that you were in an abusive relationship. Yes. Yeah. I think that would be of some comfort. If cat Timf can fall prey, then, you know, then anybody can. We thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me. I picture a man saying,

listen, if cat Timf would stay in a relationship, you can certainly take it. No? No. No? No. Oh, they might. She's pretty. And the guy wasn't even rich or famous. No.

So I guess it could give hope, and that's true. You too can abuse a woman. You too can find an attractive, successful woman. This is one of the things that really bothers me, is that all the people we know who were ruined for various accusations and this Doug Emhoff guy, very credible evidence, just hit his girlfriend so hard that she spun around. And he's totally invited to every Washington cocktail party. Nobody cares. That level of hypocrisy enrages me.

Yeah. Well, who knows what they're going to do now? Those two. Probably not much. Oh, she's done. Yeah, Well, who knows what they're going to do now? Those two. Probably not much. Oh, she's done. Yeah, she can't ever do politics anymore. She's not going to run in four years? No.

Not after that humiliating. No one likes her. She has zero constituency. That's mean. No one likes you. I just want to hear the stories. I've said this before, but I just want to hear the stories,

like the Eliza Doolittle type stories, like My Fair Lady, for that five weeks between the time that they announced her and she took her first interview. I just want to hear the stories about the people who were trying to tutor her, bring her up to speed, the ridiculous things she didn't know. I'm convinced we've never had a more mediocre candidate in our history ever. I don't think George W. Bush was exactly, you know, top of the class. George W. Bush apparently was pretty bright.

He had better SAT scores than Al Gore. And the people around him all said he was a smart dude. Really? He had a, you know, all shucks kind of speech pattern. Listen, we never- I thought he was an idiot. Listen, George Bush, I get it. Sometimes it's like they made fun of his strategery.

You never said that, but you talk about like his malapropisms or something. Have you heard Kamala Harris speak that word salad that she would speak in? Have you ever seen anything like that? We've never experienced it. Anyway. All right, Kat, we do offer

half off on our food menu for our podcast guest. Oh, great. I have to go home, though. I'm in Atlanta tomorrow. Are you performing? Are you doing a bookstore? Do you do stand-up? I'm back at it again. Is it stand-up, but mixed in with cutting

commentary? I do stand-up, and then I have a Q have a like a q a after now the abusive relationship wasn't joe mackie was it yeah it was he fucked me up real bad well no the comic that you dated wasn't like nobody you have no idea who he is yeah he didn't work he didn't work okay cat tim thank you everybody uh see you next time