The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - “I’m not saying Israel Did It…”: The Charlie Kirk Conspiracy Chorus and its Enablers - With Ross Barkan.

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

Charlie Kirk’s assassination has sparked a firestorm of conspiracies. The Live from the Table crew, joined by journalist Ross Barkan, exposes how antisemitic tropes are spreading on the right—from Candace Owens’ tweetstorms and Max Blumenthal’s “sources” to Holocaust denier Ian Carroll’s overt accusations. And why is Megyn Kelly - staunchly pro-Israel - hesitant to call out Candace Owens, even at times praising her, as Owens’ conspiracy talk spreads? Why has Kirk’s murder been reframed around his Israel stance?

Usually when I do a podcast that I think is going to get me in trouble, I like to start with a few observations at the top. So let me just go through a few notes that I have here. First of all, I'd like to get emails about this one, podcast at comedy seller.com. I've made the analogy many times that when people have good faith disagreements, one way to look at it is as an optical illusion. You've seen this image. Is it a right-hander or a left-hander? Some people, see a right-hander, some people see a left-hander, they see exactly the same image. The disagreement is absolutely good faith based on exactly the same facts. The podcast today, we're going to discuss whether or not all the people who seem to be implying that Charlie Kirk was murdered by the Israelis, are they acting in good faith, or is something else going on? Is it just an optical illusion? Do they see a right-hand? we see left-hander? Or is it deeper than that? Are the people who are excusing Candice Owens, Ian Carroll, and the like? Are they acting in good faith as well? All right. I want to also,

let's read into the record here, my favorite Christopher Hitchin's quote about anti-Semitism. Antisemitism is a prejudice that may sometimes be, but it usually is not lightly worn. It has great appeal to pseudo-intellectuals because it has great gossipy power, and can draw on history and mythology and concepts like blood and gold, it can seem to explain a lot. It can form a bond between upper crust types and the plebeians, a bond of sturdy race and nation against the clever and the tricky and the hard to place. A dead giveaway in distinguishing the obsessive or morbid anti-Semite from the garden variety

is an inability to stay off the subject, and inability to stay off the subject. By the way, I know if it's plebeian or plebeian. So why is the conversation about Charlie Kirk's murder intertwined like a rope with conversations about his change of heart about Israel, about Netanyahu, about the Mossad, about all sorts of things that have Jewish overtones?

Why are they treated as Siamese twins in the public discourse? In my opinion, the intention of Candace Owens and others is not actually to prove that Israel was behind the Charlie Kirk murder. The intention is Pavlovian. It's to dirty the mental association that we have with anything Jewish. Scott Adams, very smart on some things, by the way, has written, when you associate any two ideas, people's emotional reaction to them will start to merge over time.

In a game of word association, what percentage of Candace and Tucker's audience would now answer Jew to phrases like pedophile, groomers, cabal, globalists, great replacement, media control, financiers, dual loyalty, blackmail, porn. Who ordered the hit?

JFK, 9-11, Bolsheviks, Zelensky, rodents, rat-like, persecutor of Christians, genocide. Even during COVID, vaccine deniers love to refer to the Pfizer company as fizzrial. Everything is about the Mossad. Candice Olens yesterday was talking about how the New York Post is a Mossad operation. But they ran with the New York Post, right, outfit of the Mossad. I feel that a normal person's instinct is to make sure their loved ones are okay in their immediate vicinity, make sure they are okay, obviously,

and then to call and alert everyone who would be concerned that you're okay, right? You're not going to get on the phone with TMZ. Why are you giving it to like TMZ, which covers celebrity gossip out of Hollywood, right? The New York Post. That's not supposed to be a local paper, a local news source.

Why would you hit up the New York Post? As of September 14th, four days after the murder, the Jerusalem Post was already reporting that there had been more than 10,000 posts on X using the phrase, Israel killed Charlie Kirk. This to me is all very, very deep. You may think it's paranoid. Please watch. Email me at podcast at comedysellers.com. No rants, scholarly or intelligent, well-thought-out emails, and I will read them next week on the show. So, oh, one more thing. There was a little technical

glitch here, but the conversation during the glitch, it's early on, was kind of interesting. So I left it in. It's like five or seven minutes. But if you don't want to hear it, I just encourage you to skip it and get to the heart of the matter. Enjoy our conversation with Ross Barkin, the great Ross Barkin, about Charlie Kirk, Candice Owens, Megan Kelly, Tucker Carlson, and all of them. Hit it. There is a reason they're doing this. Trump is controlled by Zionists. This is live from the table, the official podcast of the World Famous Comedy Seller, available wherever you get your podcast, available on YouTube, which is the best way to do it. And this is Dan Natterman here, along with Noam Dorman, owner of the Comedy Seller.

Hello, Dan. I'm just forming with my wife. And we have Perry Al Ashen brand with us. I'm drinking wine, which I... It's good for your pop. I've never done, but I, you know, it's already... I've had two tips, and it's already... Do you know that line, Dan?

...you know that one? I don't know. I like wine more than I used to. It's good for you, Pop. No, I don't know. It's from the Godfather. Yeah, I don't know. As you do, you're obsessed with the Godfather.

I prefer Goodfellas. Can have both. But you can have both, but your obsession with the Godfather is quite something. We have with us. Very unique, yeah. I'm the only one. Well, you're obsessed with it as you are. You're not the only one, but you're one of, I think you're in the top percentile in terms of your level of obsession.

We have with us, Ross Barkin. He's been with us before. He's with us today. He's just come out with a novel. It's called Glass Century, and he's the editor-in-chief of the Metropolitan Review, a contributing writer to the New York Times Magazine, and a columnist of New York Magazine. Please welcome, once again, to our show on Mr. Ross Bark, and, Ross, how do you do?

I'm good. Thank you for having me back. I always love being here. I'd like to personally extend a very warm thank you to Ross, who I've never been so happy to get an email in my life. All right, so before we start and get into the Charlie Kirk thing and the debacle that is tearing apart the every last bit of credibility on the right that Ross never thought they had, we did have a little conversation pre-show for some reason we got into it about the percentages of shooters in the past who have been trans and things like that. And it reminded me to something I just looked up that Mike Peska, you know Mike Peska? Yes, I do know Mike very well.

Sent to me years ago. There was an article in some journal based on some Princeton archives about slavery and the various roles of men and women in slavery, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it had the following line in the trigger warning section of the article. The reimagining of archives is urgent because the legacies of the history of, racially premised slavery propel contemporary structural racism and the policing and exploitation of communities of the African diaspora around the world. The primary sources in the archives might be misgendering people, and Firestone Library of Princeton University stands in Lenapea territory with an institution with historical

ties to racialized slavery. So Princeton at one time was very, very nervous about discussing male and female slaves without acknowledging the fact that some of those males may have been transnational. gender and so might some of those females. So when you discuss the history of murderers, I want you to be open to the idea. Yeah. Now, you may be misgendering some of these murderers. Some of these murderers that you think may have been transgender male in the past. They might have been transgender women. So, so now very carefully, make your point. Go ahead. My point. My point was the vast, vast majority of mass shooters and assassins as far as we

can establish have been cis, non-trans men, and young men in particular. I think that the one generalization you can make about both the mass shooter and the assassin historically and at contemporary times that with few exceptions, they are men either in their late teens to early to mid-20. You surprised me before the show when you said that Oswald was 24. Yes. Because I always thought he was older. Yes, he was 24.

Wilkes Booth was 26. Almost every, and you look at the mass shooters of recent years, they were all teens and 20s. Thomas Crooks, who tried to kill Trump, I think, was 21, 21 years old. Yeah, Rio Princep, I'll be very impressed if you get this one. Yeah, he was 19. Wow. He was a guy who shot Archdukeford. Yes, he was 19.

They're young. I mean, young men are, in most cases, with the real exception of Las Vegas shooting, which was a late 50s paddock, which made that one so strange to this day we have no idea why he killed all those people no one knows there's no manifesto no one no one knows why oswald killed david callum a recent guest on a tucker carlson show whose name i think will be bringing up in this show uh has speculated that actually that whole vagus shooting was a bunch of character actors okay yeah that was that was one of tucker carlson's character actor thesis well even that that might explain it but oswald though had

Oswald had a lot of conspiracy theories attached to him. So one can speculate on Cuba, on the mob, on the CIA. Like, there are many tangents you can go. What made the Las Vegas so strange is there weren't even tangents. There's nothing. It's a void of no real understanding. I want to, this is very interesting. It's not the subject today, but I don't want to say that.

The question is whether it's a, we should really be talking about the fact that young shooters, mass shooters, are. are cis men as opposed to the fact that just young violent criminals in general of every stripe of violent crime, a young straight man, right? Tend to be men. I mean, I mean, I can't speak to straight and gay. I can't, I don't know the sexuality of all the mass shooters, cis men. Sis, identifying as male identifying young men are the vast majority of mass shooters, assassins, and even just look at like petty, petty crime, gang violence, right? gang violence in cities like New York and Chicago and L.A., who is in this realm, it's young men. It's the argument, if you want to make the criminal justice reform argument, it's the argument against indefinite life sentences that, unless you want to serve justice, obviously, but men, when they enter their, you know, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s are not a threat to society the way they are in their youth. All right.

Before we start today, we can have enough show about this. It's an important discussion, especially because there is an anti-trans wave. Deeply anthrax coming about this. And people have been correcting me on Twitter that there actually is a violent, you know, breathing fire, violent trans movement, like a JDL of the trans. I'm sure there is. But this is obviously also fueling just general. Well, I think. Wait, wait, don't even respond because I'm going to.

So before we go on, I learned two new ones. words, two new concepts. No. Can you go to your right a little bit? To my right? I learned two new concepts this week. You learn the words or the actual concept? Well, you'll be the, I don't know how to, I'm not sure. I learned two new words and concepts phrases this week, both because I was searching to be able to express analogies, which I felt would be apt. And let's see if Ross knows what this is.

Paralypsis. Paralypsis. Paralypsis? Hmm. Well, if I know. Paralypsis is going to come up. I would like to put a stake through the heart of paralypsis, which I think paraleptic expression is a scourge right now. Paralypsis is the most famous example is when Mark Anthony, in Julius Caesar, said, I come to Barry Caesar, not to praise him. But actually, he was intending to do exactly the opposite. it. And chat GPT saying, saying you won't assert X while furnishing everything you need for

X. So quite often in this Charlie Kirk thing, we're hearing people say, there's absolutely no reason to think that Israel, it wasn't behind this at all. I would never say that Israel was involved in killing Charlie Kirk. And then they go on to make all, give you all the reasons why you should probably think Israel definitely had a hand to Charlie Kirk. And then they'll say, what are you talking about? I specifically said, I came to bury him. to praise him. How can you possibly accuse me? So that's one thing. Paralypsis. And the other one is a founding mutation or a founding gene. Do you know what that is? More so, but that sounds like an actual scientific concept being analogized. More so. It is the concept, it is like

TASX or sickle cell. It's a mutant gene usually that runs at a very high frequency within a certain small population that they are constantly susceptible to. What's that called again? A founding mutation. I've seen it both ways, a founding mutation or founding gene. And I think there is something in the conservative DNA which just is susceptible to conspiracy theories. You see it again and again and again, the most outrageous conspiracy theories.

And both these concepts, I think, are helpful to understanding what we're seeing. today in terms of the right-wing reaction to the Charlie Kirk thing. Now, I know Megan Kelly a little bit, very little bit, but I've had a good relationship with her. She's very kind to me. She's praised me. Not buried you. But I'm not going to be a wimp. I strongly am upset about where she's been going lately, not about Israel. I don't care what she thinks about Israel, about embracing these conspiracy theorists on the right, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens. I want to start by playing a clip yesterday from her show.

This will launch us in. This is Megan Kelly and the fifth column guys, my friend Michael Moynihan, in particular. This is number one, Stephen. Sot 1, as they say, in the big shots. That's Mike. He has glass? Okay.

You got the sound working and everything? So we'll just cut this part out, don't worry Hit it No, he's trying to figure out the sound No Want a pause? Very attractive woman That Megan Kelly

You look like Natasha Hensridge Remember Natasha Hensrich? She was a big actress back in like the 90s Megan looks like that in person Like close up Well, you know, Northern European I mean But you know who's even better looking to Megan Kelly?

Her husband, Doug Who's Doug? Doug Kelly? Is he a Kelly? Or is he another name? No, I can't remember his last name. Five minutes later. You went to where at Columbia?

No, I went to Stony Brook with Sunni. Oh, a Stony guy. A Sunni guy makes good. Sunni guy makes good. No, Columbia. They didn't let me in, Columbia. I never got to have the Columbia guilt because they never, they didn't admit me.

They didn't admit you. You must have done well in your SATs. I did very badly in math. I did very well in the verbal. Got close to perfect score. My math was horrendous. So my total SAT score was middling. Are you bad at math?

Yes. That's interesting. I'm very, very bad at math, yes. I don't dislike it. I'm, like, actually math disabled, I think. Does it disturb you? Peryl is bad, too, but she's bad at English also. I try.

I like, if math is applied to sports, I'm okay with it, like percentages I like. No, you're thrilling me right now because Nome has this concept that if you're, like, you can't really be brilliant if you're bad at math and you're obviously proving that wrong. I could barely get through. algebra. I remember taking ninth grade geometry tests in ninth grade. I got the test. I'd studied. I stared at it.

I literally no idea how to answer any of the questions. I just pretended I was sick and went to the nurse. I can't do this. I do have the feeling that it may not be true. No, it's not true. I've told you this a hundred times. I need to hear it from Ross.

I do have the feeling that if you're not good at math. You're an idiot. Well, because logic is a big part of math. So what? I've explained to you a hundred times that you could be a genius in something creative or artistic. The problem is I'm not able to explain to you. Five minutes later. All right.

So this is my friend Michael Moynihan on the Megan Kelly show. It's like four or three and a half minutes. Go ahead. I've been involved in these things when it comes to a million different issues. It becomes conspiratorial when Israel. when Israel's involved and, you know, people who are, have Israel's back, it can, you know, and I think that Candace Owens is a very, very dodgy witness in this, considering she doesn't have a ton of credibility amongst almost anyone.

Let me just say this in Candace's defense. First of all, she's brilliant. Candice is brilliant. I realize she's controversial, but she is very smart. She's too smart to F around and say that she's got, like, the letter. She seems to have either the letter or recordings that she doesn't have. She just tweeted out, more is going to come out. The truth is inevitable. They're lying, but resh assured these people were deranged enough to put their anger and demands in writing. Why is it about the pet

issue that she's been talking about? I think obsessively for every time I tune in to like in these totally crazy ways. I mean, the guy Ian Carroll, who is now. I don't know if this is true of Candace. Well, I think it is by the way. No, no, no, no, but I was just going to say, but some people. obviously were wondering whether Israel had a hand in this. I mean, that's clearly why it's come up. And there's zero evidence of that. And that's clearly why Yahoo is responding. I mean, I don't think that in any other circumstance,

if this had not kind of taken over like a prairie fire on the internet, and you know, this guy, Ian Carroll, has been on Joe Rogan's show. He was a guest host of Candace's show this summer, you know, was on Twitter saying the Israelis did this. And even, you know, you have someone like Dave Smith, who has a lot of problems. me and we disagree on almost everything but even he responded he's like dude what are you talking about where is this evidence crazy talk it's crazy and like even alex jones was like guys all of this

conversation about this why are we having a conversation about charlie kirk's commitment to israel immediately after he was assassinated because there's so many goals out there who were trying to suggest that maybe because he was wavering on this i and as charlie said to you i didn't know the guy i met him at one time He didn't see that he was wavering on it. He said he didn't like the... I don't understand. Under that theory, here's what I don't get. Under that theory, like, Candace is very influential. She's got a very popular show.

Tucker, same. And obviously, neither one is feeling very supportive of Israel in this war. That's for sure, in Tucker's case, and for sure. And the conversations that Candace Owens has about this stuff, I don't believe to be normal. I believe them to be completely insane. And they're really, really deep in bloodline. liable in really gross old conspiracy theories. Can I ask you a question, though, on that point?

Let me just add an honest question for you. An honest question for you on that. Because I see the clips that they share of Candace online. And every once in a while, I'll go and just kind of check the clip to see if it's like real. And more than once in her case. And the same thing with Tucker, by the way. And many times in his case, when I go back to the original source, I'm like, this was taken out of context. now I'm a busy person and I don't I don't have time to listen to every podcast you know like whatever it's if it's not a segment we're going to do on the show I'm probably not going to go back much with the whole thing but I have seen Candace taken out of context many many times and you can you know times that by a hundred on Tucker so do you listen to her show like do you actually know that the little clips you've seen online are not taken out of context all right so what's been going on here is Max Blumenfall Judge Napolitano

Candice Owens, Ian Carroll, all the usual suspects have all been saying, implying, using paralytic presentation, that clearly Israel is behind this killing of Charlie Kirk because there was a story, and the story may have a lot of truth to it, that Charlie Kirk had had it up to hear with these kind of boorish Jews who were, I'm putting in his words, I mean, his mentality, that when he was getting a little squishy on how he felt about Israel and how Israel was conducting the war, and he began to want to express it, they kind of descended on him and put pressure on him and tried to convince him otherwise, and Kirk sent out invitations for some event in the Hamptons, which had influencers that Bill Ackman paid for, and this

clearly did get under Kirk's skin because he went on Megan Kelly's show. the next day, maybe I'll cut it in, and he bitched and moaned about how, you know, I've been a supporter of Israel all this time, and I say one or two things wrong, and they're all calling me anti-Semites, whatever. So this is- You and I are both supporters of Israel and have defended Israel since the beginning of this conflict and spoken out about the anti-Semitism that has erupted on these college campuses many, many, many, many times. And something's happening, though, with this whole debate that is really bothering me.

And I wonder if you're feeling it too. I'm so glad you brought this up. And I would second that, Megan, I think I have a bulletproof resume showing my defense of Israel, both on campus, on social media, to great, you know, let's just say mockery and scorn at times, because I believe it, right? I believe in the scriptural land rights given to Israel. I believe in fulfillment of prophecy. And I will say this, the behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly, are pushing people like you and me away.

Not like we're gonna be pro Hamas, not like we're gonna, but we're like, honestly, the way you are treating me is so repulsive. I have text messages, Megan, calling me an anti-Semite. I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat. I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath. I visit Israel and fight for it. It's almost as if you. They were coming after you, after a turning point for among other things than you had Dave Smith there. Dave Smith is it allowed to criticize Israel. You had both sides. You're not allowed to, though. No, you're not allowed to. It's even worse than that. Again, I just want to repeat for the fifth time, I love Israel. I want Israel to win. But my moral character is now being put into question, Megan. Not my decisions, not like, hey, are you doing this?

Is it smart or is it dumb? But no, I am a bad person if I do this. They're making the leap from this to Israel had him killed. Now, what's so disturbing to me, me is that Candace Owens, clearly she has never been taken out of context. And I'm going to go through a lot of it. But let's just stop there since Ross is our guest. Do you have any knowledge of all this? Do you, have you been following it? A little bit. Yeah. I mean, I think it's strange that you have two strands of conspiracy theory that can't actually align on the right. One is Israel

did it. The second is the far left at it, the radical left. And that's been the Trump maga line. So I'm wondering for someone like Kelly, who's now MAGA aligned, she made her conversion. They all bend the knee. I mean, I find not anti-Israel, by the way. She's never been, but go ahead. Right. You know, I find that whole world quite embarrassing intellectually, to be honest, because it's all just revolves around Trump and his whims. How can it be both the radical left and Netanyahu killing Charlie Kirk, right?

Did the radical left do it? The answer is none, no to both. Well, are the same people saying both? Or is it different people saying? It's, well, it's the people in the same universe. Like, maybe, maybe Kelly doesn't think the left does anything do with it. It's worth underlining here that Megan Kelly clearly said that she thought the conspiracy theories about Kirk's death were crazy talk. You know, this guy, Ian Carroll has been on Joe Rogan's show.

He was a guest host of Candace's show this summer, you know, was on Twitter saying the Israelis did this. Where is this evidence? That was crazy talk. That's why I don't know for sure. I'm saying in the right-wing universe, you have the left gets most blame. That's the Trump line. But then you have this also, this other strand of Israel is behind it, too. Which you can hear on the left as well, to be fair.

But, Ross, there's something deeper going on that really deserves me. You're Jewish, right? Yes, very much. The, the, um, the, um, the, these crazy people and they're, views are getting normalized within the sphere of respectable conversation. Like, you know, it was Rogan, now it's Megan Kelly. It's like they're being body snatched. And it's like my life's mission now to make everybody stare in the face what it is

and how wacky and how crazy these people really are. because this is how I see it. When you see, and I'll play it, the things that these people are saying, you have to say to yourself, well, either I think the things that they're saying, like Tucker Carlson says we're studying alien weapon systems at the Pentagon, and also we also have satanic beings

that live underwater and we're aware of those two. And either you believe all this stuff is possibly true, or you have irrefutable evidence of the standard of proof of these people before they report something, before they believe something. And once that standard of proof is demonstrated, which falls not even near the range of what's acceptable for a journalist, then that should be the end of your embrace of this person. When Candace Owens implies that she has evidence that Charlie Kirk was feared,

for his life, whatever it is. You should say, well, this is the person who told me that Christian babies disappear every year on Passover. This is the person who told me that Dr. Mengelow was a fraud. This is the person who told me. And you say, I'm not, if you need to cite Candace Owens to make your point, maybe you need to reconsider your point. That's what any responsible person says, listen, if all I've got is Candice Owens and

Max Blumenthal, maybe I need to go, you know, hit the pavement. But that's not what's going on now. And now there is a, what's the word for? Like a gaslighting, I guess, is, I hate to use cliches, but a gaslighting of us that we're supposed to all pretend. Oh, sure. Candice Owens is reliable. So let's just go through a little bit of,

to make the case of what she's saying. Can you bring up this, it's the Candice Tweet Storm Ping file? So this is just, and you guys tell me if you think I'm being unfair to her, just open that file. So, if you can make it big, I can read it here. So she has like a tweet storm. The first tweet is, Tucker Carlson just exposed everything Charlie was going through with his Jewish donors and what his true feelings were towards Bibi Net and Yahoo.

Watch to comprehend how sinister the lies are. The Zionist crowd is trying to tell right now. Message exists. Stop lying. Next tweet. Sorry, guys. You murdered my friend. You unlocked the Enigal Montoya in me. We're not stopping until we get to the bottom of this thing.

You. Now, who is you? Next tweet. All BB Netanyahu had to do was not lie on Charlie's name in the aftermath, and we wouldn't be here. But he was never able to meet the challenge. Next tweet. Awesome Jew was also at the Hampton Senate. Of course. I'm just sitting here looking at this list and attempting to spin them as a totally casual fling that was not about Israel. Next one. This is a repost. Candice Owens flat out says the text messages of Tyler Robinson released by the United States government are doctored in front. false. In other words, she's saying the party line, which is very clear that this guy was, you know, a guy who was turning to the left, has a relationship with a trans woman. They have the text messages between them. Candice is saying that these texts are not legitimate. They've been doctored. So the plain meaning of this, who is the you? Isn't it clear the you is the people in the five tweets surrounding it in this yeah so she is saying somehow that Israel was involved in killing charlie kirk i'll tell you this something is not right something is not right and i am going to need you whoever it is listening to this podcast right now to wake up

what just happened to my friend charlie kirk is a battle of sheer evil versus the indictment against Tyler Robinson was just released. And I have a lot of questions that I think need to be answered. Regarding his trans boyfriend, Lance Twigs. Well, I just spoke to a family member who told me a lot about Lance Twigs because the media is kind of presenting him as this do-gooder. You might be interested to know that his family has a different perspective. Also, turning point employees are contacting me.

A lot of them, okay? and I am not liking what I am hearing from him. She doesn't believe the story. Things that took place leading up to that Hampton's event. First and foremost, what always stood out to us about this shooting was Decoy Boy. Never in my entire life have I seen a situation when a shooting happens and then somebody completely unrelated to the shooting that just happened jumps up and down and says. that they did it. And now we learn that he's been harboring images. He has kiddie porn. What I'll tell you about George Zinn. What that signals to me about George Zinn is that I've,

I mean, I've read a lot about Jeffrey Epstein. I've read a lot about blackmail operations. The people they tend to go after are people who are into children. Everybody watched an episode yesterday, okay? I never said the sentence, Bill Ackman blackmailed. Charlie Kirk. That never happened. But of course, he's doing the typical like, you know, Israeli branding. I've never said that. I'm a victim. And let me tell you why I'm my victim. So we just sets it up. And I don't know why he's putting these things in parentheses of

Charlie's supposed evolving stance. Okay, we can watch clips of that in a little bit. It's not supposed. And I'll also point you in this direction. You guys remember, Bibi recently was on a PR blitz, despite the fact that he was, you know, fighting this 96,000 front war because Israel didn't do nothing. okay he was doing a ton of podcasts in america yeah that that's obviously that's all edited right now let's just add into that also the um number 10 max blumenthal who you probably might because you're an

anti-israel guy you might have some following my september 12th report so this is this is and then we'll talk about this is um three and a half minutes of max bloomenthal uh he also wrote an article i have some quotes from the article and let's see what he says here go ahead max bloomenthal is here with the report of his latest investigations on the events leading up to the murder of Charlie Kirk. And by the way, he cites Candace Owens. You'll see what. Following my September 12th report, which provided background about the pressure, the mounting pressure that Charlie Kirk was under from pro-Israel forces, from Netanyahu's cutouts in the United States, people were talking to me. And these were people who had knowledge of a tumultuous, stormy meeting held in the Hamptons during the first week of August, convened, according to multiple sources with knowledge of this meeting, intimate knowledge of this meeting, by the billionaire ultra-Zionist financier Bill Ackman, who is close to Netanyahu and his kind of network in the United States.

Charlie Kirk was summoned. Ackman, according to multiple sources, had this meeting to basically bully Charlie Kirk into submission. Charlie Kirk walked away, according to one person, feeling like there was an attempt to blackmail him. He refused any offers of funding and also refused the offer to travel to Israel, so alienated by this crowd of pro-Israel enforcement,

that he was moving away from the Protestant church. This is what I've been told. Candice Owens just disclosed this on her live stream. Candice becomes his source. Why do you think Netanyahu felt the need to go on national television and expressly deny Israel assassinated, Kirk? I mean, who does that? Yeah.

Why do millions of people? people. I mean, you see it all over social media. They think Israel had some involvement because of the way they've been conducting themselves around the world. So, you know, people are taking the reality and to another level where it's an unsubstantiated theory. I have no evidence that Israel had any role in Charlie Kirk's assassination. The reason I wrote this story was because I was able to get this background about Charlie Kirk and what was happening. in his life and what was coloring his final days and the kind of pressure he was under which tells a larger story about Israeli influence in the United States.

Did you get the feeling that he was only afraid of reputational damage or, you know, losing money, or did his fears extend to his life? Well, that's what Harrison Smith, who is a personality at Info Wars, the pro-Trump outlet, has said almost a month before Charlie Crowe, Kirk was killed. He said Charlie Kirk fears that Israel will kill him. I can't see any hard material evidence that Israel had him killed. Powerlipses. But there's this fear when you go against the Israel lobby and you're that powerful. And it's a fear that I've been told Donald Trump shares. I mean, think about it. What would happen? This is our allies. If he suspended arms to,

If he suspended arms to a country that carries out assassinations all across the globe that specializes in assassinations that has an entire wing of its intelligence services that conducts assassinations, including with household goods like pagers, would you not be scared? You go through your personal courage and your understanding of all of these profound issues and interrelated factors here. I can't thank you enough. So they're interrelated, but not related. There's no evidence that Israel tried to kill it. But they're all very interrelated. And, of course, Trump was scared and Charlie was scared. And, you know, who wouldn't be considering to have a wing of people dedicated to assassinate?

Yeah, because Israel kills, assassinate terrorists. They're going to assassinate the President of the United States. So, and let me just go on with this Blumenthal because they're all attached at the hip. This is some of his writing is even worse. The headline, Charlie Kirk refused Netanyahu funding offer. was, quote, frightened by pro-Israel forces before death, friend reveals. I don't have any evidence that it happened. Kirk had become the target of a sustained private campaign of intimidation

and free-floating fury by wealthy and powerful allies of Netanyahu figures he described in an interview as Jewish leaders and stakeholders. He was afraid of them, the source emphasized. The conservative youth leader was not only alienated by the hostile nature of the interactions, but, quote, frightened by the backlash. he went on to complain to Kelly I have less ability to criticize the Israeli government than actual Israelis do

and that's really weird how it builds on itself. The guy that Max Blumenthal cites is a guy named Harrison Smith. Now the guy Harrison Smith is a guy who tweets things like Jews themselves celebrate the contributions to pornography, mass

immigration, transgenderism, and finance. He also does a video I don't have where he reports on postal-like, biologically engineered structures that grow in the veins of people who have taken COVID vaccines, and they actually have the video of maybe I'll cut it in. This is coming out of people who were formerly alive. People are walking around with these things growing inside their arteries and blood vessels, okay? I mean, it looks like some sort of rubbery seafood. These are, I call them. engineered biostructures. Right. So something in people's bodies is programming them. He says that Monica Lewinsky was the CIA plant. And he tweeted also, Jews are overwhelmingly responsible for communism, cultural Marxism, feminism, critical theory, pornography, hate speech,

gender theory, mass nine white immigration to Western countries, left-wing judicial activism, the destruction of traditional Christianity, normalization of sexual deviancy, interminable war-mongering, Middle East goes on and nine or nine and he's and Harrison Smith says literally this now Harrison Smith works for Alex Jones the more you attack Israel the stronger it gets because the cult that runs it manipulates and controls the white supremacist and all the groups that then come in not not not all of them so so there's a bigger dialectic here and there's good people in Israel too and it just stacked one on top of another on top of another now am I wrong that

Megan Kelly should separate herself. Like, is there some reason that she can make the case that this is not prima facie like summary judgment type? These people are not

credible journalists. Yeah, well, they're not credible. But that's true. Can she do that? I don't know. She used to. As I'm editing this today, it occurs to me that Megan Kelly would argue, I never endorsed Alex Jones or Harrison Smith. I'm arguing that we, in the intellectual community that fancies itself to have some integrity and to be more rigorous, cannot pretend

that the likes of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson are not smuggling in the patently ridiculous views of people like Alex Jones and Harrison Smith, that the whole of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson cannot be separated from its parts. For instance, here, Tucker Carlson argues that Alex Jones, who denied that the Sandy Hook shooting was real and claimed that the parents were actors that Alex Jones is actually a supernaturally inspired profit. Clearly, the Sandy Hook thing was incorrect. You know, Alex, I know Alex personally, so I know what he was going through. And, you know, everybody wants to talk about mental health and they want to praise people for being honest about their mental health issues and support them on their mental health journey to wellness.

Alex has gone through some real issues. And one of the reasons why he's gone through some issues is because that guy is uncovering real shit that's terrifying every fucking day. Well, and he's also channeling some stuff. You can't call 9-11. He did not call 9-11 in detail because you're super. informed. Let's just, that's all we know about Alex Jones, let's just say. That's the fact set.

How'd that happen? Right. How did he do that? No. That's super, that is real. The supernatural is real. And I don't know why it's hard for the modern mind, because it's a materialist mind, to accept that.

But what you see, and that's not a new phenomenon. It's happened throughout history. There are people called prophets. And there are people who were prophets who weren't called profits, but there are people who have information or parts of information. bits of information visions of information come to them and then they relay it it's not from them they received it this is like the you know one of the oldest phenomenon in human in human history so i think i think she's in the you know she's in her world now i don't know what her incentives

are i don't know her at all um i don't know her personally i mean there's there's no i mean even the you know even the sort of people propagating this admit there there's no hard evidence. So for me, if you don't have evidence, don't spread the theory. So I don't think Israel was behind it. I think it was an alienated young man who took a shot, by the way, if you talk to anyone who knows a bit about guns and shooting, which I don't, but I spoke to those who do, it wasn't that difficult a shot. You didn't need a CIA slash Israeli army train. A Mossad assassin. No, you'd not need a Mossad Assassan. It was a conventional shot that kid growing up in Utah who knew a lot about weapons could take do you find these videos interesting

because i'm i'm burning i'm burning the show with the videos i mean they're they're interesting to me because it is i'll admit it's a strain of the right or not just the right because lumenthal's not quite on the right but it's a strain that i am less familiar with versus what i see in conventional maga world which is radical left radical left that's the party line from trump and Bondi, so in Vance as well. So this is kind of, this is notable and that they're not, you're not taking that party line. They're going this way and set. So let's go all in and play the few more and we'll be done with them. So just, also in the Max Blumenthal article in the gray zone, he says, four days before the assassination, frustration among pro-Israel commentators

bubbled over in public during a Fox News interview in which Ben Shapiro launched a chilling attack on Kirk without naming him. So can you play? the number seven, this is the part, what second, this is the part of the interview that I think he's referring to. See, you tell me if it's chill, if this sounds like a chilling attack.

By the way, I think Ben Shapiro is right on here. Go ahead. And it occurred to me, Ben Shapiro, we, you and I, have people who we thought were conservatives sound a lot like the Marxist Islamists who were attending this event last week, don't they? I think it's exactly right.

Unfortunately, there's a great. culture that has become the dominant strain on the left that says that all people in the world who are poor, who have bad lives. That is the fault of the West. That is the fault of Israel. It's the fault of capitalism. It's the fault of the Jews. It's the fault of anyone except for themselves. They have no agency. And thus, all the systems must be torn down from the rooftops all the way down to the ground. And you see that sort of mirrored on a weird horseshoe part of the right that is now arguing sort of the same thing, that the problems that people have are intractable, that there's a shadowy group that's manipulating all of this,

that America actually was never great. America was wrong in World War II. America never landed on the moon. And these kind of two forces are now bizarrely joining hands in the middle. It's very strange. Do you think there's enough of an effort to push back? I find that conservative groups and conservative organizations that have these weekend events and these seminars,

whether they're for young people or think tanks or that sort of thing, they sort of sprinkle these events with these cooks. They sprinkle these events with these American haters who claim to be American firsters and are fake MAGA and even stabbed the president in the back. Yeah, I mean, I think it's definitely an attempt by some of these organizations to, quote-unquote, maintain the big tent. But the reality is that, as many have said, the problem with a big tent is that you may end up with many, many clowns inside. And the most fundamental thing is that just because you're saying somebody votes Republican, that does not mean that they ought to be the preacher at the front of the church. They're not the person who ought to be leading the movement if they are spending all day criticizing the presidents of the United States as covering up a Mossad rape ring or being a tool of the Israelis for hitting an Iranian nuclear facility. I think he has said literally his entire career that he was going to do.

And so it seems to me that if we are to hold anything in sort of reverence, it ought to be the fundamental tenets of the American Republic, which I believe to reside in conservatism. And if conservative organizations are simply going to give up the ghost on that in order to maintain a sort of pseudo-coalicious, That is a gigantic moral and political mistake. Was that a chilling interview by anybody's standard? Like, what the hell is he talking about? I mean, it's psychotic. And, again, I can understand that Charlie Kirk, well, I mean, I think Charlie Kirk's attachment to Israel was threefold.

one is that he's it's biblical you know he's he's a religious and they and they believe that um israel you know has the favor of god in some way to be in israel two he's anti-muslim and three it's it was uh expedient in conservative circles to be pro-israel i shouldn't say perhaps four he has um on the merits he believes israel is right but A lot of these people who are at the top sitting on an elephant, is John Heights's analogy. You know, sometimes they steer the elephant, but sometimes they go where the elephant wants to go. Just like Trump, I mean, to his credit, not as much as you think he might have, but Trump doesn't talk so much about how great the vaccine is anymore.

He hasn't gone and denied the vaccine, but he followed his followers. They don't like the vaccine. Trump stopped taking credit for it. Charlie Kirk saw the writing on the wall, I'm sure, that he might need to bend his position on Israel to be a little bit closer to what seems to be the position that's bubbling up on the right. Otherwise, he might become a marginal figure.

Ben Shapiro, to his credit, he's like, no, I'm not bending. I'm going to make my case even stronger. But there is, I'm going to meand around. I didn't want to say anything about Charlie Kirk. I was never a big Charlie Kirk fan, although I did go to his inauguration party. I'm going to play this video now of something that Charlie Kirk said. Israel many times, the whole country is a fortress.

When I first heard this story, I still had the same gut instinct that I did initially. This is an interview he did, I think, on October 10th or 11th, right after what happened in Israel. And these were the reports that we all know that Hamas was running around there for hours. before Israel managed to root them out. So go ahead, play it, Stephen. Okay, go ahead. Israel many times, the whole country is a fortress.

When I first heard this story, I still had the same gut instinct that I did initially. I find this very hard to believe, right? The whole country is surveilled. And so let me just kind of go through this. We don't talk about Israeli politics very often, and most Americans don't know this. The last nine months, Israel was on the brink of civil war. This judicial stuff, there were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets, taking to the streets because BB Netanyahu is basically redefining the Israeli constitution.

There were protests planned this week against Netanyahu where they anticipated tens of thousands of people to take to the streets. That's all gone, Patrick. Netanyahu now has an emergency government and a mandate to lead. I'm not willing to say to go so far that saying that Netanyahu knew or there was intelligence here. But I think some questions need to be asked. Was there a stand down order? You heard his parallels. Was there a stand down order? I'm not saying. six hours i don't believe it they're live streaming the killing of jews was that somebody in the government say stand down that is a legitimate non-conspiracy question i just want to make sure my position is clear here but i would so patrick there are other explanations it's possible

that the netting yahoo government was double crossed by bad agents okay that's dark but it's not as dark as what we're talking about okay another aspect is that netting yahoo might have traitors in government like legitimate traders that have infiltrated i was texting with some senior people in the idf and they said charlie can't say too much but let's just say the same problem you have with the left in america we have here in is there's something to think about just something to think about right but there are some serious questions here's patrick and let me tell you my pattern recognition over the last five years has become pretty sharp covid Maui fires you know epstein when i see a story and it doesn't click,

our guts are usually right. Do you think there's any Intel community involvement in this? I wouldn't be surprised. They're talking about Epstein. I am convinced, based on my own sources and my own reporting on this story, he wasn't one of ours. So he was an American,

which leads basically three options. MI6, Saudi, or Mossad. Yep. Which one would you choose? I guess Mossad, given his connection to Galane Maxwell. So what does that mean? Well, I mean, it's possible that that's the reason everything is getting buried, that there is some treasure trove, and it's getting buried because...

How many people here believe that? Raise your hand. Okay, I'd say about half the hands think that it's being buried because of an Israeli thing. All right, let's take them in order. First of all, let me the second thing. So, I know people who know Charlie Kirk, who adore him. I've been very upset with me. I've had some arguments with kind of important people who are defending him and know him. I don't know him.

And they say it's not true. He was pro-Israel. He became more so as he learned more about the conflict post-October 7th. I have no reason to doubt that. And yet, if I'm honest, I have a trait where from time to time somebody does something. and I feel like, unless they, you know, are contrite and they, you know, explain themselves, I feel like it defines a person in a way, it gives me a glimpse of them that I can't erase from my mind and I'll never have again. If you make lists, okay, there are the pro-Israel people, Laban Shapiro, who is a pro-Israel person,

in a million years when he heard that Hamas, Israel was late for six hours trying to get Hamas out of Israel, it never occurred to him. Maybe Israel is doing it on purpose. Maybe Israel, meaning it's not just one person, maybe the IDF and all the people and the people watching the live streams and the soldiers and the people giving the orders and the opposition leaders in the cabinet. Maybe they are all purposely allowing Hamas to rampage through Israel, rape people, kill children, torture, take hostages, take babies from their parents. Maybe this is all part of the plan. Now, a reflexively pro-Israel person

just doesn't come to toying with that idea very easily. Kirk is the only person I know that I can think of who fancied himself pro-Israel. Who would have uttered that at that time? anti-Israel people, sure, and Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal, like, this is right up their alley. But he, if you do a Venn diagram, he is a circle of one that overlaps with the anti-Israel people who believe that. And by the way, plenty of anti-Israel people would never imagine such a thing. So this is an insight in some way into the founder gene. It's the founder gene,

the founder mutation. They can't resist these fucking conspiracy theories. It's a sickness. This video is shortly after October 7th, a few days after. Now, of course, this then extends to the Epstein thing. Now, the thing, I had my beef with Megan Kelly about this because, yes, it's true. This woman, Vicki Ward, reported that she heard that this guy Acosta, who was the prosecutor or whatever, laid off Epstein because he was told Epstein was intelligence. You've heard this story. now Megan makes a lot of this as do they all

but what they don't tell you and Megan knows this is that the Office of Professional Responsibility during the I guess it was during the Trump administration at this investigation they looked into it they interviewed Acosta this is under oath under penalty

of perjury can go to prison people did go to prison for lying to such you know organizations such organs of the state he denied it he said there's nothing to it nobody I don't know if he said nobody ever told him he just said like I don't know anything about it

and then they offered him this is very important they offered him a classified setting like a skiff where he could divulge what it is that he was told in a top secret setting so that he wouldn't be accountable or anything like that and he said no I don't need it I declined to do that now this is what bothers me so much

you can believe it's true wouldn't be the first time there was a spy. But it's journalistic malpractice to tell your followers, your listeners, about this remark and about this strand of evidence, and to withhold from that, withhold from them, is that my phone, withhold from them the knowledge that this has been looked into by the government under oath, and the person has outright distanced himself from it. There's absolutely no evidence. And as a matter of fact, Vicki Ward, the one who actually reported it at first,

she has said, she doesn't believe it. They're feeding their followers a bunch of unsubstantiated crap. And it's spreading, and it's spreading and spreading. Candice Owens has seven million followers. That's about the number of Jews there are in the United States of America. Now, of course, some of them are people who follow her like I do. But of course, a lot of Jews are not pro-Jewish. But it's tremendous influence, right? It's tremendous. She has a tremendous hypodermic needle that she can use to inject anything she wants into the American bloodstream.

And people who are concerned about, as Douglas Murray called it, the hygiene of our information universe ought to be distancing themselves from her. calling her out, not talking about how she's been taken out of context or Tucker's been taken out of context. Now, I know Candace has not been taken out of context because every time I see something she said on Twitter, I say, that can't possibly be true. Because I'm always a person who says that, you know, I don't hate my enemies that much. They couldn't have really said that. Sure. So I look into them all. They're all true. Everything she's, and worse. So let's, let's play Candice, which one is it? So you get a, a, uh, a sense for Candace and Tucker.

And then we're basically done with the videos. There's going to be clips here by also Ian Carroll, I think. Ian Carroll is her person she has guest hosting for her. He's a Holocaust denier. He was the first person to come out and accuse on Twitter that accused Israel of being behind the Kirk murder. It was so quick that even Dave Smith said, listen, I don't think you have any evidence for that.

And interestingly enough, Dave Smith's following wasn't having it. I'm sitting here saying, look, I don't see any evidence to believe that this is an Israeli conspiracy that Israel was involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination. And in response, overwhelmingly, I just saw people posting. Well, they posted. Well, that was one assumption. But then a bunch of people were just like going like, did he even read the Max Blumenthal article? And I'm like, yeah.

Like, did you catch the line in it where he said there's no evidence that Israel was involved in the assassination? Yeah, I think that was a very relevant part. Now, this is very important. Let me just comment on it now. It's very important because it shows how the perillipsis is so pro forma. It doesn't really matter that every single one of them will say, I'm not saying Israel assassinated Charlie Kirk because when somebody like Dave Smith says

there's no evidence that Israel assassinated Charlie Kirk, their following goes nuts because they understand that these comments are just disclaimers meant just to give camouflage. They understand that that's just the peel of the banana to be thrown away, and the meat of the banana is what they feast on, which is Israel killed Charlie Kirk. Now, this is, of course, everything I've presented so far is edited. I'm not the person to take things out of context. Out of context to me means that if someone were to see the entire clip,

they would say, wait a second, that's different. That's not what you led me to believe. That's not, how could you leave out this part? If I had known that, I wouldn't have had that reaction. I don't do that. As a matter of fact, sometimes these clips get longer because I want to give the benefit of the doubt to any argument that I can think of where someone might say, how could you leave out that sentence, norms? So these are not out of context.

And by the way, anybody listens to this. You send me any email of something that I left out. I will put it up on Twitter and say, somebody said I left this out. It was out of context. I'm not trying to win my argument. by below-the-belt tactics. Go ahead. Moons ago, before they decided to establish Israel as a country,

I know you've read like the short version in the classroom, and it was like, oh, the Holocaust happened, and then we realized that Israel needs to think. No, that's not how it went down. That's not how it went down at the F-all, okay? Catholics and Christians were going missing on Passover, then they would find bodies, okay, across Europe, and they were able to trace them back to Jews.

blood libel. This Frankist cult, which is masquerading behind Jews, still participates in this shit to this day. Okay. Why would you want the pedophiles to flee there? Why would you want the pedophiles to be procreating? Hmm, unless, unless the nation of Israel may have been established by some Frankists, and it's looking like Theodore Herzl's family was from the exact same area in Moravia and in Bohemia where the Frankist cult was founded. Maybe he was not actually a Torah worshipping Jew. I don't know. I'm just throwing out some ideas here. And by throwing out some ideas, I mean, I've read a ton of books and I figured it out. Okay. Jeffrey Epstein was the world's most prolific and evil sex trafficker that we know of so far. He very clearly was a Jewish organization

of Jewish people. And so that's a dark stain on Israel and on the Jewish people if you own it. And so the Mossad has this weird other angle where they have this like cultural, racial, religious angle with which to approach people. And again, remember, they don't necessarily have to approach someone and be like, hey, we want you to be a spy or, hey, we want you to subvert your country on behalf of Israel. They might just approach someone to be like, hey, you're a Zion.

You love Israel, right? We have this project and we could really use your support helping it. Israel. It's easy for it to sound like you're saying all Jews are in on some global conspiracy, which is not what I'm saying. Paralypsis. Who's really in power? Now, I mean, this is Tate. One of the Tate asks me, oh, what about the Jewish question? Jewish people control the world, and this is maybe what you're digging at, and Andrew may not have alluded to. But you don't have to be a massive conspiracy theorist to know that all the founders of the Federal Reserve Bank and the current system of financial control in the United States government and all their founding members were

Jews. Something happened, for sure. But I know that they, The narratives around the Holocaust that I was taught in school, they were forged in the era of controlled information. I try not to go overbearing on like, everybody has to be Jewish. It's just like, that will make you like not. And it's like, and that's not the point. The point is not that like all Jewish people are in on this thing. The point is that like, yeah, is that Jewish people are susceptible to being approached by this organization. And like, and we need to support the Jewish people that reject it.

Like we need to. We need to encourage them to in our side. So these people that are, oh, Jews, bad. They're a big problem because we need to bring Jews to our side, not push them away, not be like, oh, you're a Jew. We need to heal. We don't need to, like, create more divides because the last thing we need is to create another Holocaust of starts, whatever that was. I started digging off Sigmund Freud and realized he was a pedophile, his dad was a pedophile, the grandson was a pedophile. It's a family of pedophiles.

And this gets into that broader point about what Alex Jones was saying. That Stalin was Jewish. Which then kind of gets into the question of the media who, for a very long time, tried to convince us that Stalin and Vladimir Lenin were anti-Semitic. And then I learned, like, Stalin was married to... Yes, they were literally a part of the Jewish cabal that, you know. And credit to you. When I thought about crushing history, where if you even say that, which I'm saying it, because I looked into it and I found a friend who understands Georgia.

And they're like, everybody knows that Stalin was Jewish. One of the biggest anti-Semites ever. LBJ was Jewish. People I don't think knew this, that LBJ was Jewish. Kamala Harris is not black but Jewish. And the evidence is pointing to, and there's no question. It's not even evidence. Like, nobody can dispute this.

Snopes can't dispute this. Kamala Harris is Jewish. But A-PAC was behind the Kennedy assassination. We know that there was once a president who wanted to make APEC register as foreign, and he ended up shot. Coincidentally, ended up shot. So we've got this friend and ally, and we're not allowed to ask questions about JFK's shooting.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. The massage there on the day that JFK was shot. And so it's quite shocking to know that information to realize that JFK got killed and to also know that the person who allegedly shot him, Leoswald Harvey, said he didn't shoot him, didn't kill him,

and then he was shot by a guy named Jacob Rubenstein. Jack Ruby, Jacob Rubenstein. Who Murar Gaddafi alleges was also an Israeli national. That Zelensky was an evil Bolshevik a Jew. People think that the greatest mass murderer was Adolf Hitler. And no, actually, if you want to talk about genocide. The fact that people in America don't know about what the Bolsheviks

did the Christians. Where did the idea of a This is the Bolsheviks. There's a people listening. There's a tweet overlaid there. Bolsheviks was the Nazi go-to that you know, and her tweet there is, thank you for the book recommendation. You were talking about the Bolshevik party.

I am talking about the actual administration. So basically the people elected with real power, 447 of the Bolsheviks out of 525 were Jews. She's talking about the communists in Russia was really just a, that Soviet Russia was a Jewish conspiracy. So go ahead, continue. Concentration camp come from, the Bolsheviks. The reason why we're not allowed to learn about

these people, we don't talk about Henrique Goda, is because he's a Jew. I mean, lock me down churches. And people tell me to go support Zelensky as he's shutting down churches. You want me to support this Bolshevik? I'm not doing it. Ukraine, as you may have heard, is led by a man called Zelensky, sweaty and rat-like. A comedian turned oligarch, a persecutor of Christians, a friend of Black Rock. While we're there, play number nine now, let me just get, like, these are the people.

Megan is defending. I can't, okay, this is, this is great. This is the best one of all. Good. In my bed at night, and I got attacked while I was asleep with my wife and four dogs in the bed and mauled. And a spiritual attack by a demon?

Yeah, by a demon. Claw marks on my sides. Four claw marks on either side underneath my arms and on my left shoulder. And they're bleeding. No one has to believe me. I don't care. The U.S. government has physical evidence of crashed non-human-made aircraft, as well as the bodies of the pilots who flew those aircraft.

An alien species is flying hypersonic aircraft over our cities. So they're from here, and they've been here. for thousands of years, whatever they are, and it's pretty clear to me that they're spiritual entities, whatever that means, are supernatural. In other words, UFOs are actually real, and apparently so is extraterrestrial life. Now we know. So these are spiritual phenomenon. There's no evidence they're from another planet.

I mean, I think that's the op, that's the lie, that they're from Mars. Look, space, the atmosphere is really well monitored. It's a binary. They're either, you know, you're on team good or team bad. You can assign any name to it you want, but like, what are these things? Evil, satanic. Are they good or bad? And I think some of them are bad.

And if the U.S. government knows that or elements of people within the U.S. government know that, then, you know, then they're serving a bad force. In a normal country, this news would qualify as a bombshell, the story of the millennium. But in our country, it doesn't. It's insane. Okay, seriously. I'm sorry. I have spent a not insignificant amount of time around severely, mentally ill people who suffer from delusions. And this guy should be institutionalized. Like, for real, for real. Like, the fact that people take him that seriously and he has millions of followers is indicative of like a very sick country that we. live in. Like Tucker Carlson should be in a mental institution. I mean, I've said many times, if you go to the hospital bleeding and the nurse says to you, how did you, why are you bleeding? And you say, I was mauled by demons. They do not let you go home. They will keep you for observation

because obviously if you think you're a mauled by demons, you're probably a threat to yourself or others. It's is absolutely normally interpreted as mental illness. Now, unless you think he was, was mauled by deans, which, but when you know somebody's saying such things, and you could just go through the list, like, does anybody actually think the government knows about spiritual beings under the water that have been there for thousands? This is so crazy. So I just keep coming back to it. So why would anybody take these people seriously on anything?

Why? I mean, it's not left or right. It's just basic methods. I learned a lot from those clips. I didn't know about the spiritual beings underwater. I'm excited to know about that. It's insanity, right? Right? And so, and they're all joined at the hip, and they go all the way to Rogan.

I would just say that there's people that believe crazy shit that aren't mentally ill. I mean, I guess it depends how you define mental illness, but, you know, that's delusion. Like, what he, what Carlson is talking about is absolutely delusional. This is the thing. There are people who believe in religion, and it's not mental illness. We know, we just know not mental illness because empirically we know that people who believe this stuff are not mentally ill. Well, they can function.

And they can be extremely rational. That's a different group of people than people who say, I'm bleeding because I was mauled by demons. Right? That's something else. You're actually bleeding. Maybe his people say his dogs did it,

whatever it was. But that is much more likely to be mental illness. But then it's, you know, there's, I mean, I, you could go on. for a long time putting up the other stuff that Tucker Carlson has said so look I didn't want to as I said I think earlier I don't want to say anything bad about Charlie Kirk because the fact is it really doesn't matter what you think about him what I think about him what anybody thinks about him he was murdered and it's every bit the same it should you should react to it

every bit in the same way whether you liked him or didn't like him him because it's morally right to react that way and because by the way if you get weak on that principle it will come for you right so for practical purposes as well so and moina had had said something like this too so i really didn't want to pollute any conversation about charlie kirk's murder by talking about how i felt about him because inevitably people will take that and somehow feel that I'm diluting or in some way giving a nod to the people who are happy about is being killed. What they're doing is 10 times worse.

If they want to make the story that, which is, as I said, there's probably some truth to it, that there was a fissure, is that the word, growing between Kirk and the, you know, Bill Ackman, Ben Shapiro types and the conservative movement, for whatever reason. and listen, when Glenn Lowry began to become sort of anti-Israel, I drove up to Providence two times to speak with him to try to plead, you know, my case of why I thought he was wrong. It's not offensive that somebody like, to me, that somebody like Bill Ackman would want to have a meeting with him

and kick it around with him. Blackmail would be a different thing, but there's no evidence of that withholding funding. We don't even know how much funding he gets from these things. He seems like he gets a lot of money anyway. I mean, turning point doesn't seem like it's hungry for money, but having said all that, fine, talk about that. But to mix it in in this insidious way with these questions about whether or not Israel killed him, this is a fucking outrage. And I don't understand why Megan would pretend it's not, why she would pretend not to see that's what they're doing.

Today, she woke up on the other side of the bed. I heard it today. She's like, it's ridiculous what these people are doing trying to undermine the case that this, what's the name, Tyler Robinson, Jesus. That is ridiculous. Tyler, we have the text messages. We have the testimony. It's very clear that he did this. It's very clear. It was cooking for many days. She's completely clear-eyed about the fact that Tyler Robinson did it. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show. We are continuing to follow the latest developments in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Yesterday, the alleged killer, Tyler Robinson, was formally charged by Utah authorities who confirmed they are seeking the death penalty for aggravated murder. The media reaction has been shocking, but not surprising, again, with reporters and pundits

claiming the motive is unclear. Despite alleged shooter Tyler Robinson telling his parents, there's too much evil, and he, referring to Charlie, spreads too much hate. So here, to my mind, Megan is righteously contemptuous of the people who would question as she puts it in the Chiron sidebar the obvious political motivation of the man who killed Charlie Kirk. But she only excludes from that contempt, it seems, the people who question it based on a suspicion that Israel might have been involved. To be clear, she doesn't exclude them because she thinks that Israel was involved. I'd almost take my life on that. She excludes them

because she's afraid, in my opinion, of alienating a large segment of her audience and perhaps angering some friends. That's according to the charging documents. And in text messages to his male roommate, quote, transitioning to female, which cannot be done. Robinson wrote, referring to Kirk, quote, I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. Well, okay, but that's not compatible with the stuff that you were open to the day before that all these other people are saying.

Unless he thinks that Tyler Robinson was somehow recruited by the massage. Well, that's what they're going to try to say. First of all, I want to say that I watched a clip from very shortly taped before Kirk was killed, in which he said that, you know, he was being critical of Netanyahu didn't mean that he was changing his position, position vis-a-vis Israel, and that it was really being, like, twisted and that. But I just think that I know a lot of people are circling the wagons around that. And my feeling is, I'm going to stipulate he was changing his opinion in Israel. I don't care.

No, yeah. I mean, it's not relevant. You mentioned he was he wasn't, he was suspicious of Israel even back in 2023 when he was talking about it. But then there's a whole body of work where he's very, very supportive of Israel and makes arguments in Israel's favor. And if he changed

his position, he's inhabiting now the position of, Hey, Hu, Iraq, Ehud Olmert, Yov Galant, Israeli patriots. It's not like there are, there's a shorter, I don't mean left-wing anti-Israelis and Jews. I mean patriotic Israelis who supported the war, who are now feeling that they are diverging from Netanyahu's plan here. So if Charlie Kirk has moved to that camp, that's certainly possible. Like, so what, right? So what?

And the conversation should not be any, you know, more complicated than that. Yeah, I don't understand what's going on. I don't understand why, as I said, another person has been body snatched. Now, Megan Kelly is pretending that these people are not modern-day, old-time anti-Semites, like Father Copeland and everything that we heard about from our parents. Or at least lunatics. No, they are embracing all the old conspiracy theories, all of them, of Jewish control, Jewish orchestration of wars. And by the way, the other thing we didn't get to about Tucker Carlson is that he also is flirting with David Irving theories.

He brought on Daryl Cooper, martyr made, specifically to get Daryl to make the point that the Jews orchestrated World War II. this is, I mean, I actually should play it in case anybody doubts me. In the interview, Daryl says Churchill's a madman. He played with toys. He's arguably the worst villain of World War II. And then he says, and he was installed by Zionists' financiers to do their bidding. That's how Churchill came to power. And then he backtracked from it.

him about it and he blamed it all on Tucker go ahead play it now but the biggest audience you ever had was you telling people that the reason the worst thing in human history happened was because the Jews and put Hitler in the fair and church like look I've told you before I didn't know we were going to talk about World War II I wasn't prepared to talk about that I definitely know we're going to talk about Churchill um and if you watched I And I know you watched it. If you watched the thing, and there were a couple instances like this, like, you mentioned earlier when he was like, what about Japan?

Why is Japan doing fine and so forth? Where I felt like he was trying to draw me into like deep waters that I was not comfortable with. And you can, I think you could see it in the interview where like I start to get a little shifty in my seat and less articulate because I'm, you know. A wry smile. Yeah. Yeah. And that wry smile, by the way, it was like, you know, it was, it was sort of. taken as like a knowing smile when you know really what it was a smile of like like what are you

trying to do to me here you know and so by the time i got to the david irving argument which is where that comes from you know the um the stuff about churchill being bailed out by financiers can you pause it there which did happen david irving you know who david irving is ross right david irving is the father of conspiracy theorists he has acronyms on his website like arse hall which is, stands for, I forget how it works out, but for Jews who pretend they were victims of the Holocaust and he believes there was, there were no gas chambers. I mean, he's, he's, he's the, the motherload.

Wasn't he sued by Deborah Lipschad? He was, and the court concluded he was, had lied in his books and that he was, well, that he, that he, that he, she, he sued her for lies. and the court found for her, and in the opinion, they went into great detail about the flaws in his scholarship. There's a book about it called Lying About Hitler by Sir Richard Evans, which I recommend. So go ahead. Continue the thing. You know, he had already asked me, like, twice, like, well, why would Churchill do this if it didn't make any sense for the British Empire? And I kind of walked around and gave like a meandering answer. He said, well, why else?

I did it again, kind of again off the top of my head because I wasn't planning on talking about this he's like well why else and i'm like well you know people have written about this so what you're talking is is tucker's baiting you to blame the jews you you realize he's setting the trap he says why else why else and you could have said tucker i'm not going there if you're implying that it was the jews uh no no no well look uh yeah maybe um if there's a reason i don't do interviews very often we spent the last 70 years I mean, in Europe's case, like literally throwing people in jail for looking into the wrong. So they're so, and even, particularly in Austria.

Oh, that's just a little bit that was clipped at the end. So there was a little bit of that Tucker interview, which didn't go notice. We're talking about the deterioration of free speech respect around the world. And Tucker makes this remark about how, well, particularly in Austria, I'm like, Austria, I looked it up, Austria had prosecuted David Irving. And then if you go to Dowell Cooper's substack, he recounts, that the night before the interview, they were having a conversation at dinner about this stuff

and then it just carried over into the interview. So what more does one need to know about where these people are coming from? I know I'm preaching to the leftist here, so I know you're happy about this. But you know, I would say this. I used to say this about the left. This is not my left right.

Yeah, no. I mean, conspiracy theories have sprung on all ideological species. spectrums. I don't think any particular party or bent has a monopoly on conspiracy theories. I really don't. I think you see a lot fomenting on the right now. You see some on the left too. I think what's interesting is when even they, watching those clips, how even they concede that they don't have the hard evidence. And again, when you look at this shooting of Kirk, the assassination, it's not the shot that was taken was not extraordinary there's no reason tyler robinson had to be

trained by outside forces or been some sort of plant he was from a gun family he knew weapons and you speak to people who know weapons it was a very makeable shot so there's literally no evidence and that that's that's the thing you come back to is there's no evidence he was part of a Netanyahu is real conspiracy. And there's no evidence that there's any far left organization around him. Whatever his views were and the general bent of it is that he's from a conservative family. He became anti-Kirk and he was motivated by hatred of Kirk. So obviously he was shifting left, I suppose.

But really, we don't, A, we don't know very much about him yet. And B, if you look at the history of most assassinations, and killings, the justifications that the usually young men create are post hoc. Their ways to inform their own madness. And usually if you look at whether it was Thomas Crooks or you look at a lot of these killers, there's not a clear ideological through line. I think each side, the left has wanted it at times and the right wants it now. They want easy answers.

Think about conspiracy theories is they're simple. I mean, they're not simple, but they flow from logic. It's made up logic, but it makes life seem more tolerable. It makes life seem more comfortable when you can look at the world and say, I found the theorem, I found the answer, X equals Y, equals Z. instead of history in the present days quite chaotic and there are people with deep-seated mental illness who have access to weapons there are people who feel motivated either they have delusions of grandeur or just they're delusional and they commit acts of spectacular violence and that's the history of America in the world that this guy was completely irrational like I think John Wilkes

Booth was completely irrational. I think is it possible? This guy was completely rational, thought he was doing the world of service by taking out Charlie Kirk and thought, furthermore, that he could get away with it. I don't know if he thought he could get away with it. I mean, it's clear that

didn't last very long. That's the thing. Would it would a true, true rational person have been caught so soon turned in by their family? No, I mean, I don't think anyone who is of, even if you have a political justification, like Wilkes Booth. No, I don't think. Well, Wilk Booth, but I think was perfectly rational, you know, in that case.

Right. But also, there are many other men who felt like he did, and they aren't the ones going out to commit murder, even in the 1860s. I'm saying to take the act, it's one thing to have a through line and ideology. And some assassins do. A lot of them don't. Some do. But even then, right, you can feel, I'm motivated to do something. I'm angry. I want to do something. But to actually take the step of getting the gun and killing, that I think rationality is out the window, especially when it's in a way you are, it's not a crime. Maybe it's a crime of passion. Obviously, you know, people inadvertently kill. We know that. But when you're so driven by anger and hatred that you're willing to kill another person, that's a rare act. Very few people kill.

Do you think it's a result of a manifestation of the high temperature of our rhetoric over the last 10 years? No, no, I mean, I mean, maybe, but again, when you study history, I mean, the whole 20th century was filled with assassinations that the late 19th century, I mean, you had politically motivated anarchist killings and you could say, well, those, were those rational bombings? I mean, the whole 20th century. I mean, this is, it's a recurrence of things. I want to ask you a question about that. But maybe, maybe, I don't know, maybe the rhetoric is up, so maybe you could say that's... Those old killings, some of them at least, happened within the lifetimes of people who would duel, like killing in those days as an extrajudicial kind of thing. I'm like the 20th century, though.

I forget the 19th into the mid-20th, the middle later. Gerald Ford had two assassination attempts on him within 17-8. So then that's when I was a kid. And then Rakin is shot and almost killed. The thing is the issues, this is what I was thinking about, the issues when I was a kid were very, very important and real. College-aged kids were being sent off to Vietnam and dying. Black people were fighting to be treated with a minimum of dignity in the world,

in the public life, ride the bus, people to vote, go to restaurants, be spoken to properly. So in some way, I understand more that these issues were so intense that violence popped up. Today, despite the fact that we're apoplectic and going crazy about everything,

we don't have big problems comparatively. Yes, compared to the 1960. You know, and so violence about these problems is bizarre. It's ginned up, you know. It's one thing when you're fighting to not be sent off to war to die. And nothing when you're fighting for, whatever people think they're fighting for today. So in some way I do think, I've made this analogy.

Global warming is real. but of course in any particular hurricane no matter how bad it is we really don't know because we've always had bad hurricanes but we do know that unless we attend

to the carbon in the atmosphere we're going to have more and more hurricanes I don't know nobody can know whether this guy was going to kill somebody and by the way sometimes it's political violence but the people who commit political violence they might have just killed somebody non-politically

like they could just be want someone else to kill somebody right? This is a little bit more attention-seeking. But I do feel that if we don't, as it were, lower the carbon in the atmosphere of our rhetoric, we are going to see more and more of this. I think we're in, I should clarify and say we're in a very volatile era politically. I think that's very true. And I don't want to dismiss that. I meant more that we have a long history in this country of these style of killings. But yes, we are currently in an era where we're very polarized. The political rhetoric is very hot. It's been that way now for a decade. And we have algorithmic accelerants. And you have social media. So no doubt there are ways one can be more quickly

radicalized. I think that's all true. I think it's very true. I think there's something now in the mood and the culture and the currents. And I'm curious to see if there's more of a movement away from the mass shooting to the targeted political killing. It seems like we're moving there. Mass shootings haven't ended, but there have been fewer of them, at least in the spectacular fashion of the 2010. You look at the 2010s between Sandy Hook, between Aurora, then into 2022, the Valde. There were, I mean, a Parkland in 2018, there were so many Las Vegas. You think it was a social contagion? Well, there's a, I do think there's a me-medic, medic element to this. I do think there is something to the fact

that Columbine inaugurated the era of the mass shooting of a very vulnerable population. You didn't see that as much in the 20th century. You saw the targeted killings. You saw the bombings. I mean, Oklahoma City, obviously, terrorist attacks. But the idea of just walking into a school and just shooting completely defenseless people, Columbine really begins that. And you see from Columbine to Virginia Tech, that was in 2007,

and then really into the 2010s, which had this rash of really awful, continuous mass shootings. I do think there's something about one alienated mentally ill person sees this is a way forward. I think for a while there was a lot of infamy bestowed upon the early mass shooters. You look at the Columbine kids, James Holmes with Aurora, Adam Lanzah for Sandy Hook, even a guy like Elliot Roger, people sort of forget him, but he was kind of like the inaugural in-cell. He left behind this in-cell manifesto and he shot up. Which one was he? He was the California one in 2014. He shot up a bunch of people. I got a college campus and he went around and he left behind this very detailed manifesto hating on women. So we're sort of at the

beginning of that kind of really deep, dark, misogyny. And then it continues, right? And so I do, I do think there is something about alienated young men in particular, see something happening. They have no outlet for their various, you know, real, real mental struggles. Guns are easy to come by in America, and you go act on it, right? And it's easier in a way than a targeted assassination. For an assassination, you do have to take a tough shot. You have to plan it out. The school shooting was simply.

you walk into the gun and you start killing people. And now you see, whether it was with Mangione, Crooks, and now the Charlie Cook shooting were now moving back into targeted political killings. I don't know exactly what that means. It feels like there's a shift. The mass shootings were often suicidal in nature, whereas the assassinations don't seem like these people want to die. Yes.

Some definitely were suicidal. A lot of them were suicidal in nature. Somewhere the Parkland guy lived, James Holmes was completely Doreen. He lived. Yeah, no, there were definitely suicidal elements to it. Some were just killed by police as well. You know, I do think there, I have one theory that is not proven, but I've wondered about this is that because we've had so many mass shootings. For those who seek infamy, who seek recognition, I don't know. if I'd put the Charlie Kirk killer in that category, I think if you're seeking infamy today, mass shooting is not the way to go because there have been too many, and Americans tune them out. I think that's the dark truth. We've had so many. Now, if you want infamy, it's the targeted political killing. That's how you get it. The law of diminishing returns is kicked in on. I mean, it's the sad truth is yes. I mean, that's the reality. They've happened so many times in such

gruesome fashion between Sandy Hook, between Aurora and a movie theater, between all these killings. I mean, Las Vegas was, he shot 800-something people. I mean, it's absurd. Yes, I think now if you are seeking infamy, the mass shooting, you will not get it, especially also media outlets treat them differently now. You see that the killer is not elevated as much as they about the fact that Luigi was got so much adulation especially right that might have motivated targeted uh this guy Tyler Robinson well that's that's that that's that's right talking about the the the memetic element of this yes and that's where I think there is something to the idea that trends happen a you know a would be killer sees something happening and they get the idea so yes

I think with Mangione with crooks and Trump, though Crooks didn't, if Crooks had gotten the kill shot, he would have been Lee Harvey Oswald territory. Instead, he's forgotten because he didn't kill Trump. So that's also the reality of all this. So, I mean, we can wrap it up soon. I'm very concerned about, as you know, the, I relate to it as a Jewish parent. I mean, I was always into this. I was always upset by these conspiracy theories. Always. My whole. life. I was upset about the conspiracy theories about COVID, Russia Gate, like you name it, obviously election denial. They're all bad. I mean, Russia Gate

is a different category because there was so to speak evidence. There was, you know, so to speak, something that people could massage in their minds to be able if they'd zoned out and refused to look at the countervailing evidence. Here at the Netanyahu

just seems like Charlie Kirk had a meeting with Ackman, that's all they got. There's not much out. But the, and I don't know if it will lead to violence against Jews as this spreads more and more and more. It wouldn't shock me. We've had violence in synagogues already. But if you start feeding a lot of people, the notion that the Jews are behind killing our presidents, banging our children. Like, you know, you just stack on every single thing bad and say the Jews are behind,

you're killing Charlie Kirk at some point. You are going to provoke somebody. But I'm more concerned about it. just the atmospherics of my Jewish kids, your Jewish kids, growing up under that cloud. Yeah. Of we are the people that, and this is where my father grew up. Anyway, do you want to hear before you go, Dave Smith read some of the text messages between him and Charlie Kirk shortly before he died? And they are actually interesting, and they, do I have that number eight?

But Charlie Yeah Go ahead And we started right away talking about like thinkers and books and this and that And so as soon as we start talking about it I'm already like all right Charlie so you know what it is already dude right You know that the fucking Lakud party got us into the last seven wars So what the fuck are we talking about here you know

And then he would kind of just like laugh and chuckle And like look away and he'd go I well he goes look look at know what you mean, I know what you mean. He goes, and then he would say something like, he'd be like, look, I'm a Christian man. And it's really important to me that we preserve these holy sites and that they be under the control of Western civilization. And then I'd be. I said earlier that there were multiple pillars of Charlie Kirk's support for Israel. It's interesting.

I didn't even notice that he, the holy sites. He's concerned about the holy sites being in Jewish hands, not in Muslim hands. So go ahead. This is one of his motivations. Like, yeah, but like, couldn't we maybe feel? find a happy medium between that and genociding all the people in the surrounding areas. So this is

this was a Charlie Kirk, unprompted texted me about the Douglas Murray debate. Now just like kind of keeping in mind, and I want full, I'll fully disclaim here, Charlie Kirk's a really nice guy. You could chalk a lot of this up to him being nice. Charlie Kirk wrote to me Sunday, April 13th at 8.01 p.m.

Listen to you on Rogan. You did well despite me being more on the pro-Israel side. Very little I disagree with what you said. One point, when Douglas was going on about you using arguments from authority, it's a ridiculous claim. You were using original source quotes to prove their motives, all capital and motives, not their analysis of geopolitics, et cetera, two totally different things. You were right on that point 100%. Keep up the good work, hope to cross paths at some point soon. And I think that's not completely insignificant. Like I think that does at least

demonstrate that this wasn't Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro was not sending me this text message. Unfortunately. Let's just say. Here's the other one that I thought was, uh, I just had a post about like, you know, how wrong political violence is and how anyone who thinks you're helping the poor Palestinians by murdering some embassy workers, you're not. This is just a really interesting tweet. I haven't read this till right now. I didn't click on it. It was, but he sent me it in our text thread. This is Charlie Kirk, by the way, talking about this stuff pretty relevant to today he said

I must push back against one thing all over X I see claims that some people have quote blood on their hands simply because they've made tweets attacking Benjamin Netanyahu the Israel government or the war in Gaza no and then he goes off on a whole thing you can look up the tweet if you want to say it but he's making the point that it was horrible what happened

to them but it's also messed up to like blame anybody who was criticizing Israel for now being responsible for them doing this so he sent me that tweet and I responded back as he sent me he sent me this at noon on May 22nd and I responded back at 1201 I said I was literally reading it as you texted and I said thank you I really appreciate that we need cooler heads to prevail here it's a very dangerous situation and he said he said totally and then he said we should do a podcast in person and have a fun lighthearted contrasting conversation on Israel. I bet we actually agree on most of it. Now, what's interesting is that I have

communications with Daryl Cooper when we were kind of friendly, and I really am not going to expose them. But one of them, he tweeted publicly, it was about Israel, and I was trying to get him on my podcast, and he wrote to me, we probably disagree less than you think, which is very similar to what Charlie Kirk said to Dave Smith. and in a private conversation, when I brought up, I think I can say this, he wouldn't care, when I brought up the subject of how he used T.E. Lawrence in Fear and Loathing in New Jerusalem, where he kind of quoted him in a pro-Arab way, but left out how he dumped on the Arabs and their mentality. He acknowledged the point, and he said, yeah, if I had fear and loathing to do again, I would do a lot of things differently.

So, you know, between people who disagree but want to engage in a friendly relationship with someone they think is formidable on the other side and worth their time, what Charlie Kirk was saying there and how he spoke to Dave Smith is familiar to me because it's the way I would, it's nice. I mean, I like that they had that conversation. I wish that Darrell hadn't taken such a turn to the right as he had. People couldn't understand why it was that I was soft on martyr made at first. But if they saw our DMs, they would understand it was a very different conversation. And he was quite more open to a fact-based discussion. Anyway, so that's that.

I don't know. Megan Kelly's probably going to be mad at me. I just, you know, this is not a perillipsis. Is that what? Was that the word? I can't remember the word now. Yeah, perlipsis. I'm not saying she's anti-Israel.

She's clearly not. Even throughout all this, she makes the point of saying, I support Israel, they have to win, Hamas needs to be defeated. And certainly there's no evidence of her being anti-Semitic. But what she is doing, whether she realizes it or not, is that she is undermining the firewall that there used to be between certain types of unfounded, ugly, conspiratorial thinking and the rest of, and the, I don't know, how would you put it,

the respectable world, the mental respectability. And that's not a bullshit distinction. It's not a bullshit distinction. It's like there are a reason there are editors for the New York Times, and often they get it wrong. But we can't just pretend that Candace Owens and Ian Carroll and Alex Jones and Harrison Smith and, Max Blumenthal who

Max Blumenthal has been right about some things but you know I always say they're kind of there's like a chain and they all know their place in the chain they'll never turn on each other Max will be a little bit more careful about his standards but then he will

cite the one below him who will then cite the one below him and who will then cite Dan Bolzarian who you know who says the Jews are the worst thing the worst threat to planet earth and they will never say a bad word to each other and this is a fucking dangerous world and I don't understand

I think that Megan Kelly's career has reached escape velocity and that even if she were to raise the hackles get the ire of her of a large portion of her audience by blasting Candace Owens she would still be a huge star

and she would gain some new audience so I would ask I know she'll ever even this is like a pissing in the wind she'll never hear it or know about it, I don't think. But if people are taking Candace out of context, she should demonstrate that. I put up or say, you know what, I looked into it, and actually I was wrong.

They're not taking her out of context. She really is engaging in this lowest form of activity, of intellectual activity, and dangerous form. So that's all I have to say about it. I had some other stuff about Charlie Kirk, but I don't want to do it. What was your general feeling about him? About Kirk? Yeah.

I mean, I didn't know him at all. No, were you aware of him as a public figure? Yeah, I was fairly aware. I was definitely very much aware of him. To me, he used a MAGA functionary. So, I mean, I like that he had this sort of embrace of debate culture. It seemed a little phony to me in that you're going around, you know, you debate college kids. You don't really know much better.

I know he had debates with non-college kids who were a little more formidable, but a lot of it was trolling 19-year-olds and then posting YouTube clips about it. With very provocative thumbnails. I mean, he was an impressive organizer. The left has no equivalent. I'll say that. He built up a machine,

raised hundreds of millions of dollars. He was obviously very talented. I was not impressed by his intellect. That's just how I feel. He got a very high score in a math, I see. I'm sure he did. And I think he ultimately, whatever principles he held were secondary to Donald Trump,

that his whole reason for operating and existing became serving MAGA. And so anyone who is so subservient to one person, I take less seriously. So I'm very sad he was killed. I think killing is awful. I think gun violence is awful. No one should die like that. But I am not impressed. by a person who spent at least their final years being a party functionary.

That's what he was. As in this were a Soviet dictatorship, he'd be a Soviet. Apparachic. Yes, apparatchik. So there wasn't much evidence of public independent thought. And if you ever had independent thoughts, like an Epstein or the Iran strike, he quickly fell in line. That's what he did. So I don't view him in the vein of like a William.

I don't think he fell in line at Epstein, by the way. But he wasn't going to criticize Donald Trump. Are you an Epstein believer? I don't care very much. I'll be honest. I mean, I think I'm sure Epstein is a very bad person. And obviously, his tentacles extended to Democrats and Republicans alike. I don't need to use the word tentacles given its association historically with anti-Semitism.

Oh, okay. Oh, you're making, like, a tentacle porn or something. No, I'm saying tentacles is like the word tentacle. It's like you reacted to Zelensky being characterized as radling. I don't know if there's certain words. Candice always called a Jew that commented a rodent the other day on, I mean, she doesn't give a shit. No. Yeah.

But no, I mean, I'm sure, you know, it's a bipartisan scandal involves elite Democrats and Republicans. I actually don't, I don't, actually, I'm in the Michael Tracy school. Yeah, I've, I've enjoyed Tracy's writing on it as well. I'll say that. I think there's almost nothing there, except that he. There's probably not a smoking crime. But he's a horrible criminal. He's a terrible person, yeah.

Or not, you know. The predates, he's a predator, but the smoking gun, I don't think really exists. I don't think Bill Clinton was involved in any kind of sexual crimes with Jeffrey. He hung out. I think they all hung out with a popular, seeming rich person. They like to go to the parties and go to the. And looked the other way. I'm sure they all knew, but they looked the other way.

Well, I don't even know. I mean, looking the other way when somebody's having sex with children, I don't know about that. No, no, but Trump was on record making some comment about he likes them young. I mean, listen, it's weird because it wasn't that long ago in my lifetime when grown men would have a 17-year-old girl on their arm, you know? It was done. But we're not talking 17 in the case of Jeffrey. No, well, a lot of them we were talking about 16, 15, you know, where did you draw the line? I don't know.

But, yes, I think they did look the other way, and he did clearly belong in jail, and he clearly pled it down to a lesser charge. So he probably did what he did. Actually, it was worse than what he did time for. But that's all clearly true to me, but the notion of a vast conspiracy. Right. And that he committed suicide. You believe he committed suicide. I'm, I've.

As do I. Yes, I believe he committed suicide. Yeah. All right. Well, you certainly had every reason to commit suicide. I have to figure out how to do these podcasts because obviously there were too many videos, although every one of them is important, you know, like I talk. Then why do you think there's too many if they were all important? Because I feel maybe you could shorten the, you know, burden them. It's right. It's hard. I don't want to shorten them because I don't want to be accused of taking them out of context. I think I think part of what is convincing about this. them and inculpating is that they go on and on and on. It's like, oh, he clearly didn't take 10 or 15 seconds.

Like, this is a long rant that she's doing about the Jews. And here's another way. And by the way, there's more. It's like, you know, anybody can get into it. There's more and more and more. And this guy, Harrison Smith. But she goes on and on about Leo Frank, you know. Yeah, well, that's just her way of, you know, talking about the Jews, but pretending she's

not talking about the Jews. Let's end with the last one. Smith. It's a short one. This is the guy. Number three, this is Max Blumenthal's source. I've had two people reach out to me that are in positions to know that are very highly connected from two different branches of government at the highest levels to tell me it was Israel. Now, you know, again, I don't know if that's true. I'm just saying I've had two people reach out to me on their own say hey i can't i can't really get into it but yeah they think it was is everybody here thinks it was is real so this this is a low

that's kind of interesting yeah this this guy is a load bearer this dude that's the guy who max blumenthal base is reporting on who kandis omens in basis reporting on you know they're they're they're all my go-to phrase is a load bearing now like load bearing in a sense that if you knock that one out like a jenga tower everything everything falls. He's one of that. And these people, they all say, I spoke to people, I have sources. Since when is that okay? And by the way,

even the people on the Megan Kelly show, I think Megan herself, like a lot of people are calling me anti-Semitic. Who? We live in the friggin' age of text messages and emails. Post it why you're protecting the people that you're angry at, right? I don't know. All right.

Ross Park and Glasshouses. Century. What's the name of the people? century class century i like ross bargains so much that for his sake i hope mom donnie wins because i know he's he's going to win that's it if it's one-on-one mom domer versus quomo what are the odds think saran's the one by what would you oh i'd give it like 70 30 does iran one-on-one 65 35 at that point anything can happen because again there'll be a debate and and yeah but quomo's weak that's the problem he was terrible in those debates he's weak because he's not a he's not a good

politician arrogant arrogant lazy entitled. Entitled, yeah. All right, thank God he's not Jewish. All right, good night, everybody. All right. Was that a bore for you? No, I learned a lot. You got to do a read scene and all those clips.