The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Jackie Fabulous and Kelly Bachman

Episode Date: December 4, 2019

Jackie Fabulous and Kelly Bachman

You're listening to The Comedy Cellar, here on Sirius XM Channel 99. My name is Noam Dorman. I'm the owner of the Comedy Cellar. I'm here as always, as almost always, with the fantastic Mr. Dan Natterman. Hello. Hello, Dan. How are you? How do you do? What's up with you? What's up?

Oh, nothing out of the ordinary. Okay. And we also have our associate producer. Associate producer? Who's associate? Who am I associating with? Our producer, Periel Ashenbrand. I can't get used to saying that name.

It doesn't sound right. Okay. And our guests, we have Jackie Fabulous, who is a comedian, a favorite of Estes, an actress, a writer, and public speaker. She was a semifinalist on this past season of America's Got Talent. Oh, like Dan. I'm an alumni of America's Got Talent.

But Dan wasn't a semifinalist. Dan was quarterfinalist. I say I'm a semifinalist, however. But you were. For biography purposes, finalist. The last time she calls me a finalist, and I'm like, I should correct him. No, you shouldn't. No, no, no, no.

No, I don't want to mislead and get sued or something. Well, people sometimes introduce me as a finalist and I'm just always worried when I get on stage, I'm going to hear someone say final! But usually people don't remember it or if they even saw me. Nobody cares. Recently

somebody said he was the winner. Can I finish? Go ahead. Kelly Bachman is a comedian from North Carolina, currently based in New York. She writes and produces a web series called Sofa Kingdom Sketch Variety Show. That's a good name. And just had her show, Rape Jokes by Survivors, at New York Comedy Festival. Are you the one that did that video?

Yeah. You're the one. Nice to meet you. And you're Noam. You're real. I'm real. Nice to meet you. And you're Noam. You're real. I'm real. Nice to meet you. I've seen you a thousand times.

Didn't know you were important. Kelly, we just discovered, is also a singer and guitarist. And I don't know if she's a songwriter as well. I am. You gotta come. We play on Friday

and Saturday nights here. We're playing tomorrow night. Oh, that's awesome. On Friday night, I mean. If at the end night. Oh, that's awesome. I mean, Friday night. If at the end of the podcast you guys are still on good terms, I'm sure she will do so. Yay. Why such a foreboding thing?

What's going to happen? No, not in that, right? Kelly, talk in your mic. I want to turn you up a little bit. Talking in the mic? Okay. So let's get right to it. So Kelly was in the news.

You don't mind talking about it, right? Yeah, no, we got as well. Do you want to tell the story? Tell the story. Sure. So basically, I was performing at a show in Lower East Side at a bar called Downtime in

Alphabet City, and somebody, the producer of the show, thought it would be a chill idea to invite Harvey Weinstein to watch me do comedy. And I said, rape is bad

and now I'm famous. There you go. Do what you gotta do to get there. So, now just, so, you're skipping over,

but you called him out from the stage, you said, you said, my little one's, you're skipping over, but you called him out from the stage, you said, was it you, my little one was going to address the... Well, I was really calling out

because it occurred to me, it became very apparent when I got in the room, I saw him in the corner of the room at a reserved table and it was clear to me that the venue

had invited him, that he was invited by the producers of the show, the Actors Hour, this organization that had booked me on the show. So I was really calling out them for inviting him. I was like,

I think what I said was I didn't know we had to bring our own mace and rape whistles to Actors Hour. Like, calling out Actors Hour people for putting me in this situation. And then they booed me and told me to shut up. And that's when I said the other stuff.

Now on the video, who was booing? Who booed you? I don't know everyone who booed me. I know for sure that the host of the show booed me because that was like the person that I know. That's the person who had introduced me so I recognized them, but I don't know.

I really am not familiar with this organization enough to know people in it like I'm not a part of the organization they would just ask me to do the show so what's the name of the organization again called Actors Hour the ironically their purpose is to create a safe space

oh my god that's amazing for actors so there's something about this story that just seems too impossible. It's like Jeffrey Epstein dying in prison. Why would they invite Harvey Weinstein?

I honestly, I got the sense, because there's a lot of young actors that I don't know. I don't think he had that power anymore to give you a nice role. Yeah, I got the sense that they had this very naive, young, hopeful idea that they had this very naive young hopeful idea that somehow he was either going to secretly finance

their project or... People were kind of... They were going up to his table and treating him like he was an industry guy. And the host was kind of schmoozing with him and people were... That's amazing to me. There was a woman sitting near me who I could tell was a part of the organization and I was like

that's Harvey Weinstein right like I should say something I'm a comic like I should say something on stage and she was like no like and I was like he doesn't want to be bothered like oh my god just to cut that oh my god like I just got the sense immediately that like a lot of the people in this room

were not only okay with him being there but like he was being treated like a celebrated, like how he would have been treated in the old days. I guess OJ probably still got treated like that. I'd have lost my shit on stage. I'd have heard he was there, done my set, and I'd have been triggered. I'm triggered now.

I was triggered. I was literally, when I realized that the two people who went up before me didn't say anything, because I kept being like, the next person will say something. They'll say something. It's going to happen. And then they didn't.

And I was literally sitting on the side of the stage in fetal position, typing into my notes things I could say. And I was like, will I say this? And I was messaging someone like, is this a test? Do I need to say something? And then I posted to Facebook like, what should I say? Someone say something funny? Like, uh, you know, I was like freaking out

and I was so triggered when someone said shut up, that triggered me so hard that I kind of like felt like I couldn't, I wanted to say a lot more and I felt sort of shut down or I was just like uh, I don't really think You think it was one of his friends that said shut up? No, it was

actually he, it seemed like he didn't want people, like his table maybe one of his friends that said shut up? No. Actually, it seemed like he didn't want people. His table, maybe one of his friends, but it was multiple people booing, and it was someone in the middle of the room that said shut up, not like his table was in the corner. Well, I heard, just to clarify something, somebody told me that this is a restaurant and a bar. I guess so. Or a bar, and it's a bar, and there was a show there.

I had heard that he was there not to watch the show, but just to drink at the bar. Well, the show is a private show. It was a ticketed event where you had to be invited and reserve a table. It was meant to feel like an exclusive, like, almost speakeasy type, like, environment where it's just, like, actors and professionals. And so it had that vibe where there's no way you're going to get a table unless you're invited by this. And actually, the person who invited me, because as soon as I saw he was there, the person

who booked me on the show, I went up to them and was like, do you always book the, do you always, like, invite the fucking boogeyman to your shows? Like, why is he here? It's not like, and it wouldn't make it any better. He wasn't exonerated or a trial happening is over. He's still in the middle. He's out on bail. You're still in the heat of bullshit.

Yeah. And when I asked the person who booked me, I was like, did you reserve that table for him? And he was like, no, it was like the other producers. They said they reserved a table for industry, and I didn't know he was going to be in the industry. And he said they had done it at their last event, too. So he had been at two Actors Hour events in a row.

I wish I hadn't had so many drinks when I got on. So this, you know, and this is a tricky conversation because I have a lot of, I wouldn't even say I'm conflicted. I don't like, let me be very, very clear about this. I understand exactly how you feel. I feel the same way, honestly. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. I don't like the... I'm very wary of the way we're moving as a society where people are being called out all the time.

And we had a little bitter experience here. I don't want to ask you what you think. We had a little bitter experience here when Louis came back. Right. And staff members of mine who were on the subway were accosted on the subway by people yelling at them because they were wearing Comedy Cellar T-shirts. Right.

And it was traumatic for them. And there were all kinds of stories. And then, of course, like someone who was in the Trump administration. all sorts of situations where somebody could come in wearing a Farrakhan t-shirt and somebody Jewish on the stage and I I think that I would even give up the right

to call out a Nazi in trying to move society away from what seems to be more and more kind of freedom to do whatever you feel like when you feel that your personal threshold has been crossed in a professional environment like a show or a restaurant? And before you answer, I don't want to put you on the spot because I'm not looking to argue with you. And I don't have a clear position about this, but I do feel like, you know, if it happened in my club,

I mean, I would never invite him there, you know, if it happened in my club, I mean, I would never invite him there, you know? But if he did walk in there, I would still expect the comedians to not do anything that would impact the show negatively. Because in the end, we're all... You're at work. Well, we're all there because some people who worked hard and made a reservation

a month in advance and saved for it went out to enjoy their evening. Yeah. And they are actually, it's their actual dollars that are coming to me and the comedians and everybody, and that has to come first. So I don't know what you think about that. Well, what? And this may not be exactly comparable to your situation you were in. I feel like as far as the situation I was in which is what i can mostly speak to um comfortably uh is i feel like it's a conversation about safety of the performer like uh

if i'm being if i'm booked on a show and someone else is invited onto the show either as a performer or as in this case you know a celebrated like industry professional that i'm supposed to be performing for um if that person is someone who has a reputation for making artists feel unsafe particular women you know if i think it's the responsibility of the person producing the show producing this private event um because it's the responsibility of the person producing the show, producing this private event, because we're not so much talking about free speech. It's not like we're out in public in a situation where I'm not just walking in any bar.

I'm being asked to come here as a professional. This is now my workplace. This is my office. It's ridiculous that they invite you. And if you're inviting someone who's has a reputation who's, you know, I mean, he's been accused by hundreds of people too.

This isn't like some guy who's... I think there's a... It's safety. It's like my safety. It's the safety of the other, you know, women in the room. And that's what I try to focus on More than Like the free speech element

But is it Is it actually See I think it's I don't want to put words In your mouth I would Until you said that I would have thought

It was the The trauma of it And whatever triggered You said I take it from your Your title of your show And I think I heard That you're a rape survivor as well,

so obviously this is very painful for you. You don't think he's actually going to come up to the stage and... I'm not afraid of being raped by Harvey Weinstein in that moment, but I'm like, I am emotional. I am unsafe as someone with PTSD. You know, like, I'm unsafe. It's like if I think of another workplace, like if I work for a corporation,

if I work for Olive Garden or something, and there's just like a known rapist on the staff or someone who's physically assaulted people, everybody is, whether we're really afraid that that person's going to do that to us in that space, the staff now feels unsafe. Sometimes you just know that the presence of someone accused of or whatever is in the room with you. You know that it'll affect how you'll perform, be, speak to people. And sometimes an artist, when they're in a room with that kind of RV or anyone comes in the room,

you kind of, in a quick second, you kind of decide, okay, am I going to react because I'm at work? Or am I going to say, forget it, I need to have a feeling and I'm going to express it. And you know the result of it might be, well, you can't come back to that place of work. Right. Or, fuck it, I don't care. I had this feeling, I let it out. So sometimes it doesn't happen until you're actually in the room at the time and then

you're like, okay, do I say it out loud? And if I say it, you know you may not be invited back. So sometimes it's not until you're actually there within seconds and you decide I'm going to make a comment now that may get me no longer working here. You don't know until it actually happens sometimes how you're going to feel.

I want to say one other thing just before we get into any further, because I've been a performer most of my life as well. I've gone off on people in the audience for much less reason than you did, you know, and I've seen other people go off for other things that upset them. So in no way, even if I do disagree or would have, if I would say, listen, I think that if you had to do over,

you better just tell them I'm out of here, I'm not performing in your dumb show, whatever it is. In no way, I don't want you to think that I'm like saying, oh, boy, what a dumb thing she did. Like this is the most human natural reaction. Sometimes it's very natural. Was the reaction that you had, honest from my heart. So whatever we say about it,

you have to understand, I'm not talking about anything that, you know, we all do things and we look back and say, well, maybe you do think it was 100%, maybe it wasn't, maybe someone would disagree with you. But it's absolutely,

I totally understand the reaction. I think 90 999 people out of a thousand in your situation would have had the same reaction yes and can I ask I know these situations aren't analogous yeah but just wondering if Harvey came in here to eat he just walked in sat down what do you think the appropriate response of the management would be? And say you were another customer having a meal. I mean, I don't want to prescribe a salute. I don't have the answer, especially for a public space. If something feels, I feel like I can speak to the event that night because it was

a private event with invites and tickets, and this was a reservation made. As far as everyone's responsibility to remove someone from a space, I don't want to put that on anyone. Let me ask this question a different way. So if he did come in here, let's take a different person. Let's say it's Bill Clinton. And I think that the case against Bill Clinton with Juanita Broderick and some of these cases is basically as strong as the case against Harvey Weinstein.

It's very difficult to think that Bill Clinton hasn't done some really horrible things to women. Well, are you asking if Clinton was at that same show? Well, I'm saying if Bill Clinton came into the restaurant here, no one is going to expect me to say anything to this man, you know? And nor if Chris Brown came in. I mean, I could probably list, you know, 10 people who we all know have done basically the same thing, who are not the villain of the day for some reason. And people would be afraid to say anything. And they wouldn't say anything.

They'd look down their nose at saying anything. And this is kind of why I'm wary of the whole trend because everybody just starts drawing their own personal lines. And before you know it, we descend into it. There was a thing on Twitter. Who sent it to me? Where some woman in Boston had a comedy show going, and she didn't like the humor that was going on on the stage,

and she pulled the mic on the show. Did you read about this? Yeah, I saw that. And she tweeted, I've never felt so alive. Do you remember that? Yeah, I read that. Because she shut down a comedy show because it was cis-centric or something gender. They were making basically the jokes that all the comedians we know make all the time

and so to me it's just all part of the same trend and the I use this expression a lot but in some way the cure is just becoming worse than the disease and again I say that without

wanting you to think you don't seem like you're getting a bad vibe, but because I was worried, I wanted you to come in because we talked about it a little when you weren't here. I mean, we've been talking about it quite a bit. Not just you, but in general, since the Louis situation. But her situation. And I said, well, if I'm going to talk about it,

I should face her if she's ready to come on. I don't want to just talk behind her back, especially, and also, I don't know some of the facts. But now we do, and I think it really changes sort of the situation. Well, the fact that they invited this man is just crazy. Because we weren't sure, and I mean, I think there's like a lot of misinformation. Was he there for a show?

Did he just wander in? But the fact that it was a ticketed event, and the producers actually invited him is so fucking outrageous and irresponsible without giving the performers an option to bow out. Right. Absolutely. Let them know ahead of time.

It's better if something is a private, it's a private showcase for industry and, you know, so like, it's like a very specific, uh, situation, but to the,

to your question or what you're talking about uh with calling people out a lot of people you know have been like overwhelming me with support and saying i'm brave and putting me on this pedestal of like kelly come out and let's like clap for how brave you are but i feel really lucky that i got harvey Harvey Weinstein because he's someone that has been kind of accepted as like predator patient zero like he's the pariah yeah like if you call the pariah the pariah you didn't really do anything controversial on a global scale if I had gotten one of these other gray area people that I'm not even gonna say right now because I don't want to hear about it like you know what I mean like if I had gotten one of those people and had been equally as triggered

and equally as upset and equally as, you know, feeling unsafe, if I had said something and then it had gone viral, I would have had a 50 50 split of people, you know, coming after me saying that I'm like this like PC feminist bitch, like calling out someone who didn't do anything wrong, and then I would have the other half on my side, and I don't want that. And I wasn't saying anything that night hoping that it would go viral or hoping that it was like this thing. I was just speaking from my heart. And if it had been speaking from my trauma, speaking from the feeling of being triggered by someone saying,

shut up to me, and someone putting me in this situation, and if it had been someone else, i might have done the same thing i might have been more more afraid and not have said anything i would have felt the same way and it could it would have had a totally different result so i you know i just i feel lucky that i got that guy what's remarkable to me is that Harvey apparently doesn't realize that he's Harvey. And you would think that if somebody invited him to a comedy show, he would have said, hey, I don't know if you read the papers or not.

I think he doesn't care. I don't think it would be good for the show if I showed up. I mean, you know, apparently he thinks it's okay for him to... But also the audacity that he doesn't think that somebody's going to call him out. I think he

doesn't care because someone that night told me that they like a man at the show who I don't know personally so I you know if this isn't true it's just like he told me he did this but a man at the show told me that he approached him quietly and said like why are you here? Why are you coming to his shows? Why are you out in public?

What are you doing? And he said like you coming to his shows? Why are you out in public? Like, what are you doing? And he said, like, he doesn't mind. He was just, like, stone-faced. He said he was, like, I don't mind. You know, I don't mind if they talk about me. I don't care. People like that, they don't really feel like they're touchable. Unless they're in another world.

Maybe he feels that he's been unjustly accused and is making a statement that I'm not going to be kept from doing what I should be doing. I don't know what goes on in his head. And he did not respond to our request for an interview. I think what people forget a lot of times, because I

hear a lot from mainly male friends of mine, this fear of I don't want to get me too. Like, which is like me too. It is not over. It's not like, I don't want this to happen to me.

Like if I was in that situation and I'm like, what you need to understand is that people who are serial rapists don't have the same brain as you. It's just like, they don't like rape over and over again. Someone has this power. Someone has this brain that they want to manipulate people, they want to put that power over people, that's not the person that's like, oh, I feel bad.

Like, oh, they're talking about me. Oh, no, now I can't. You know, this is a person that doesn't care. So they don't see themselves as a lay person. They're not like one of a regular. They're not regular in their mind. So they're like, I'll go wherever I want. Do whatever I want.

It's not the same reaction at all to like the person who feels bad after they do something like that. The person who has like this, like, I think there's a lot of, like people with

normal human brains are imagining that they could be in this scenario where they're going to get accused of all these crimes. But really, if you're getting accused of all these crimes, it's because you're the person who's doing all these crimes. But really, if you're getting accused of all these crimes,

it's because you're the person who's doing all these crimes, who doesn't care. For example, if Harvey Weinstein, and this is just an example, if he doesn't think someone like, for example, Nicole Kidman could bring him down, he's not going to think that you could bring him down. So he's not going to be worried about going into a regular environment, a regular culture, a regular show.

In his mind, we're all regular, and he's above everything. So he's not going to go anywhere and wonder and worry about being called out. They don't have that. Their mindset is all different. They're above everything. Him, Cosby, anyone who's committed a crime or an alleged misconduct, they don't walk into an area thinking, well, I'm going to have a hard time. They don't look at it.

Their mind is not wired that way. It's been getting away with this for 40 years, too. Yeah, and they've been doing it for... Their lifestyle is to deceive. So to walk into a room worried about whether or not they'll be called out, they don't have

that way of thinking. What happened after your set that evening? I'm feeling a little tense. Anybody else? Yeah. I'm a comic. And it's our job to name the elephant in the room

Do we know what that is? Yeah, it's a Freddy Krueger in the room if you will I didn't know that we have to bring our own maze and rape whistles to actors hour This kills at group therapy for rape survivors. They love it. They have been raped, surprisingly, by no one in this room, but I've never gotten to confront those guys. So just a general fuck you to whoever I... Yes, girl! Well, after my set, a couple more acts happened.

No, the host didn't say anything about it. The show kind of went on, and then another comic went up, and I don't know him personally. It's a comic from Florida I'd never seen in my life. But he got up and said, I also want to call out an elephant in the room, the producer who made Good Will Hunting. Like, that shit's a good movie or something.

And I was just like, and as soon as he said he was from Florida, I was just like, where is the exit? I was like, he's a good movie or something. And I was just like, and as soon as he said he was from Florida, I was just like, where is the exit? Like, I was like, he's going to say something. And he did, he did say something.

And what about, um, what about the idea that as a society, we pretend that people are innocent until proven guilty. Does that, does that give anybody qualms about, um, all these people that are freed who were wrongly put in jail?

There was this famous Nazi, remember we talked about it last week, famous, Ivan the Terrible was accused of being a Nazi war criminal. Turned out he was innocent. Well, it turns out he was not the particular Nazi war criminal they thought that he was. He may well have been a Nazi war criminal. That is deep. No matter what we may think, we don't really know until there's a trial. I know what I'm saying seems ridiculous

in the context of Harvey Weinstein. And I'm a black person. That's a different podcast. I don't got that kind of time. People of color are always accused of and served time. Well, that's right. So you have sympathy for what I'm saying. Yeah, that's a lot.

I'm too drunk to address that. So again, that's another reason why I think, well, aren't we better off if we just embrace these fictions that have been very good for us for many years and our worst moments have come when we didn't respect them. Not until people who are... That people are innocent of who have been guilty. And just, I don't know, you know, as I'm looking at you and you're here

and I understand what I'm saying and what you went through, I don't feel, you know, totally intense about my case, but it's hard to describe best policies in the context of somebody who has a particularly close attachment to it. But if we zoom out, I just think as a society, we would be way better off than we are today if we all just taught each other, you know what? Just let's let our institutions handle things. Let's just let things go. And because people are getting called out left and right. And like I said, it descends directly from like you're like the most vanilla case of like you can't even imagine a more justified case. But then that does filter down so that my waitresses are now being yelled at on the subways.

It just becomes the kind of thing that you do, you know, and people start. It's so diluted. But I know female comedians when I live in L.A. who've been raped by other fellow comics and the comics are still working with them on shows. It's just, there's so many layers of this. Well, to me. That are hard to break down. There's like, a lot of people have been asking me

about due process, like where I've been interviewed about this, and it just feels like a completely separate conversation. Like when someone talks about the due process of Harvey Weinstein or anybody, it to me is irrelevant

from the conversation I'm having, which is about my safety and the safety of other women in the workplace. Like if you're on a show with another comic that you have heard has raped multiple other comics and you then, whether you feel like that person might attack you after the show or not, you, you feel inherently unsafe, like to just do your job,

just be funny like if you've if you're like you know everybody knows I'm a rape victim now like that's like a part of my identity that I now kind of have to speak to and so now when I go into a room

and I'm gonna do a set and there's somebody on the show that I've heard something about and I do my jokes and then he gets up and does a rape joke after me and you know and now has it's like there's a feeling of it adds a level of anxiety to be doing what I just came to do which would just be funny that I can't it's hard to describe uh and as a woman you're always uncomfortable yeah all every show every city country state big club small

club why because there's always a chance that there's something that you're triggered by in someone else's set because we a lot of things happen to all of us i haven't been raped but i've had things happen to me that no one knows about and i can hear a joke about i can hear a me too joke which i have and get and i'm living out and i'm like that's not what me too is but these guys are now throwing around me Too like it's a funny phrase. I'm like, do you know what Me Too really means? And that's every show,

everywhere, all the time. That's in the comics table and that's in the green room and now it's a topic of funny conversation. And it's not funny but I have to laugh it off

to do my set and move on with my life. So let me ask you this. But isn't there also something that, aren't we maybe stronger than what we pretend to be now as a species?

For instance, and I don't, shortly after World War II and the Holocaust, Hogan's Heroes was on the air just making fun of Nazis, right? Just like romping around with the Nazis.

Technically, they were Luftwaffe. But I think that Burkhalter might have been... We know who this was. Hofstede. Or the producers with Mel Brooks. And Jews found this funny. They were able to

somehow in those days and say, yes, we just went through this horrible trauma. But yeah, I'm not reliving it if you're going to make jokes about it in some way. And it seems to me that for some reason, we don't raise, I don't know what it is, but it's just not a norm anymore to have that kind of separation, compartmentalization. I don't know what you call it, but it is different.

I don't know how popular Hogan's Heroes was amongst actual survivors. I enjoyed it. I think it's... Like, MASH made war funny, and it wasn't funny. So that's just Hollywood,

you know, depicting a horrible time of history and making jokes out of it for our own command. People make jokes about it. It depends what the punchline is. For example,

I produce this show, Rape Jokes by Survivors, as you mentioned. And this is a show where you have a lineup of all survivors of rape telling rape jokes. And the jokes are funny. This show we just had, they all killed. I mean, these are funny jokes about rape

and they're by survivors, you know? But it's different. Like, okay, what's been happening to me a lot lately is I get up and I'm speaking about this because that's what I feel like I can genuinely speak to on stage right now. Like I need to talk about it because people look at me and they know this about me and I want to make jokes about it.

So I'm making jokes about my experiences with rape and with this whole media storm. And what happens a lot is the comic after me, I remind them to tell their rape joke in which the victim is the punchline, which punches down on the victim, in which the victim is a liar, or in a joke in which they themselves are the rapist, or a joke in which the premise is,

you can't rape me, I love sex. They have that joke already. I don't think they wrote it for me. But my presence reminds them to tell that joke. Do you think that a rape joke told by a man can ever be funny, in your opinion? Yes. I think it's when the punchline... The punchline should be the rapist, I think.

The punchline should be the culture or the problem. There's a serial rapist in Houston. There's nothing funny about serial rape. But... There's a serial rapist in Houston. There's nothing funny about serial rape. But what is noteworthy about this particular rapist is that all of his victims have been men. Enjoy your evening. I can't believe you clapped about that. Some man raping men in Houston.

That's the most gangster shit. So far, like, seven men have already come forward in the Houston area and reported this motherfucker, which means he must have raped thousands. That's a tough phone call for us to make. It's not like when you get raped, ladies, there's no... Society don't give a fuck about male rape.

There's no hotline for us. Man get raped, you just gotta get up and walk that shit off. Up! Got raped! Caught me slipping! Take that shit to the grave! When the punchline is the victim,

when the punchline is like, bitches are lying, or the punchline is like rape isn't really rape. I'm so often hearing it's like minimizing the crime and minimizing the victim. It's like getting a shock laugh and I think that's why it keeps killing after I go up because I'm doing this vulnerable

thing about being a survivor and it's like new and it's like, to just be like and I raped her you know it's like that's like a shock laugh. It's the same rule for the n-word you can talk about the n-word whatever race you are but it has to be funny

and the joke better end with I'm an idiot and we shouldn't be using the n-word you know my race shouldn't be using it so it's the same rule you can talk about anything it has to be funny and the punchline has to be that we are idiots for using something we shouldn't be using. But you can't be a white guy throwing around the N-word in a joke. And then you're like, when I use the N-word with my black friend, it's all in jest.

That's their name. But then it's only the title. It's not the actual topic. But if the topic is the N-word, it better end with a funny, funny, funny, funny as hell punchline. Oh, Dan has one. Tell her. You can discuss anything, but the punchline better be, this is kind of really not good, not bad.

I shouldn't be using it. I think theoretically you're correct with regard to the N-word. Any topic that's heavily. I did once or twice in the beginning of my career. One time at work, one time it met with thunderous silence. That's the risk. You're a comic. That's great. But I would never touch it anymore, even if I thought I had a good take on it

that made fun of its use, not using it with hatred. I would avoid it because the word itself can have consequences that people don't oftentimes do not hear what you're saying. They just hear the word. You heard about this black security guard who got fired? No.

He eventually got rehired. It was all over. I think it was Time Magazine. Okay, there was a black security guard, maybe in a university setting or something. I don't remember. And another black dude was kind of harassing him and calling him the N-word. And finally, this black security guard got mad and said, Don't call me.

And he said the N-word. I just waste time. Come on, relax. And the black security guard got fired. Ah, which is okay. It is a slur. Could I just address the point you brought up a few minutes back about due process and that technically Harvey hasn, he hasn't been

proven guilty in a court of law. It's an interesting point, although, of course, we're not talking about a court of law. We're just talking about our own personal interactions. And you, you, you fired people without a full blown trial. You've, you've broken up with friends without a full blown trial and our own personal interactions. Of course, personal interactions, of course, we don't have a trial. So what appropriate standard of proof, if any, might there be to go after somebody in a public setting that you feel... Yeah, you're right.

I mean, you know, there's no... There's no harm to done anybody that we care about here. You called out Harvey Weinstein. He fucking deserves it. We're pretty sure, as sure as we are of a lot of things, that he's a horrible sexual assaulter. And so it's hard to say that this is anything but a good outcome. Nevertheless, I'm just repeating myself, it doesn't happen in a vacuum.

And the kind of muscles that we're forming, the reflexes that we're forming as a society worry me. Worry me because of people I know who've been called out, because of stories that I read, because of the kind of the way Twitter seems to show people eager to call people out. It's just kind of like for every person like Kelly who's maybe very pure in the entire incident, there's someone else who's just like a hammer looking for a nail. Like, you know, this is awesome. I want to get called brave. She got called brave. We know these are, you know, human nature is not all very pretty.

We know that people do all kinds of things that are motivated in ways. And I just feel like in the overall, we're not moving in a direction I think that we say, well, this is awesome. We're way better off as a society now when people are getting called out and, you know, attacked. This is a way better podcast than the ones I've been asked to be on. What's it like to be a woman in comedy? This is way deeper and better. Thank you so much for being somewhat cerebral.

Are you being sarcastic? I swear to God. Every podcast I get asked to be a part. What's it like to be a girl in comedy? We don't care. Exactly. That's why I love New York. You're like, just do your job.

We don't give a shit what gender you are. Can I tell you both just for the record? We are, by the way. When we did bring Louie, we didn't bring him. When Louie came back and we decided to let him keep performing here, I personally sat down with every single waitress and female comedian who worked here

to see what their reaction was going to be. And he wasn't accused of anything like Harvey Weinstein. You didn't ask me. You weren't here at the time. So I was very mindful of... What would you have said? You know what? I was talking to Estee two weeks ago about this. She was like, honestly, at this point, the job of the club is to let comics be comics.

And if the audience sees him and decides, I can't, I won't, you refund the money. You don't ask any questions. You send them home. And that's it. And I think that's okay. He should be allowed to work. And that's it. And if anyone is not happy with it, they can either stay or leave.

But it's different than someone who's full-blown raped America, like Weinstein has and Cosby has. I don't want to work with Louis, but if I come here, see the paperwork with the lineup, and see his name, I can go home. I'm free to go home. So it's up to me now. Well, I do think that's sort of like the bottom line. You don't have to hold your tongue. You can say anything you want about us or the club or me.

I totally, I get that. Yeah, but I think that's what it comes down to to me is like, we're talking about a workplace, you know. We're not talking about due process or public space. We're talking about for comedians, this is a workplace

and I think thinking about it the way you would think about another workplace, if I work at an IHOP or if I work at an office and there's somebody who, uh, my employer has a certain amount of information about what they decide to do with that information. And we know because of how the whole Me Too movement has revealed that this is a problem in every single industry. And actually, at a lot of IHOPs or whatever in the world, people are not firing the person who has a reputation. Right, and they're not free to go home. And you're stuck working with this person who's making you uncomfortable.

You're stuck with the creepy manager. And this is a situation that people are dealing with in every single industry. And comedy is no different. The difference is there's no HR department. There's nobody to sort of file a complaint with. And it's not formal. It's this conversation like are you okay with him being here and then you being like is everybody else okay with it like it's like it's

a scary question like you know like it's not a question i'm prepared to answer like i again i feel lucky that uh i got harvey in the room and not somebody that would make bill clinton well like there's a lot of people that would make me equally as uncomfortable that I would feel terrified to say anything about. And if it were somebody else, and I'm not going to say a name... R. Kelly? Well, I mean, if it were a comedian,

if it were a comedian that I believe is a rapist, but I'm not saying that, if there's a comedian, and I feel equally as terrified, I feel equally as uncomfortable, I feel equally as triggered and unprepared to be funny, and then, let's say

the producer of that show says, Kelly, are you okay with this? Real quick, before your set starts. And I would just be like, I would probably just swallow. Sometimes you really don't know until it's time. I wanted to look at it. They're saying that maybe those waitresses didn't answer you.

No, no. I understand why you would think that, but no. See, some might be lying to you. I'm only speaking for myself. I believe that they were honest with you. I'm just thinking in that situation, I don't know how I would answer, no matter how I felt. So we had a whole podcast

with the waitresses on and Judy Gold hosted the podcast with them and we, I mean of course it could be somebody who held their tongue but at some point if you hold your tongue it's on you.

We did everything that I think we could responsibly do to see how people felt about it. Beyond that, what can we do? But the thing about due process is that, yes, it's something that's required of the state, but there is a lot of wisdom that we all live by in our day-to-day lives. So, like, if somebody puts some rumor up on a rumor board, you know, we've heard that women post these rumors, whatever, and then nobody wanted to hire that person based on what they read on the rumor board, even though that's not the state doing anything, we would all say, no, that's not right.

You shouldn't. You can't just take it away. So, there is a wisdom in due process, which is that it's better to err on the side, what is it they say, let a hundred guilty men go free than an innocent man get convicted. And

I mean, I know when I, I've said this before, when I think that somebody's, I caught somebody stealing behind the bar. And if they, and if they give me an excuse, even if I really don't believe them, but if I think it's possible that they didn't do it, I will generally give them another chance

because I don't feel, I feel the obligation of due process. You want proof. I feel that I have to treat them as if they're innocent. If they do it again and you're still not 100% sure. But it could be two times that something. Yeah, but I have. You have a preponderance of the evidence.

Yes, Dan, but I'm protecting, I'm running a business, and the decision is forced in my lap. But if I see somebody in a restaurant, I don't have to make the decision of whether I want to call them out. I mean, it's not like I can just say, you know what, I don't know what the fuck he did. I think he's guilty. I'm going to go eat somewhere else, or I'm going to finish my dinner. You know, I don't need to.

Well, I think that the standard of proof can vary. I mean, you know, in the civil law it's preponderance of the evidence. So if somebody posts something on a message board accusing somebody, that's a very low amount of proof. If it were

more proof, maybe you would make another decision. Let's see very low amount of proof. If it were more proof, maybe you would make another decision. Let's see what direction this goes in. But with Louis C.K., if you're asking about Louis C.K. because that's what the Comedy Cellar has dealt with, you know, that's what you were... I wasn't asking about it, but you were

trying to talk about it. Well, I mean, you were asking in your previous question about the waitresses. When asking about that and relating that to due process and in the case where Louis C.K. comes out with a statement apologizing, you know, and in apologizing, admitting guilt and apologizing to the women that he hurt, whose careers were affected. What do you make of what that apology suggests about what did happen? You know, because before there were cover-ups or there was silencing of these women, and now he's saying, I apologize, You know what? I did affect my coworkers. And then how do you address that going forward when it sort of takes away from the due process element of the conversation in that this person is saying, yeah, I did that and I'm sorry.

Noam, would you like to field that question? Well, Louis apologized, as you say, for whether he thought the apology was adequate or not. The other stuff that you're saying, about careers being affected and all that stuff, we have no... I mean, I'm not saying it's not true, but there's no... Oh, I'm only speaking to what his apology said. The apology didn't say anything about people's careers being affected. It wasn't really an apology. Most of the female comedians who read it were like, what is this not an apology?

But I feel like it acknowledgedges, not that it... He said it's true what they did, and I realize now that when you put a woman in this situation, it's not a question, it's a predicament, and I feel sorry for all the pain I've hurt, caused, and I'm going to take time now to listen instead of talk. That's basically what he said. So if we take that same conversation,

when I think about that and i think about another work environment let's say i work at like a law firm or you know like a corporate environment where we have an hr department we have all these different uh checks and balances and you know i find out my boss exposed themselves in the office place, like in the break room at Walmart or at the, you know what I mean? Like I find out this happened, but then they said, apologize. And then someone says, well, he can come back to work now. He said, sorry.

Like, would, would that be normal in another office place? Like that's kind of the way I've started trying to think of it. Like if I compare it to another office place Is it normal? I think that it's normal that To expect that I mean I don't want to rehash all the stuff We talk about this so much

But I will just You know because You're interested in it So like at the time I was saying Like if my bartender behind there right now If he told me you know 15 years ago I pulled out my dick in a hotel room

In front of someone I masturbated without consent. He told me that. Would anybody expect me to say, get your shit and get out of here? You don't work here anymore. But what if it was to one of the other bartenders? No, but Louis didn't. No, none of this stuff happened here. No, no, you're right.

If it happened in my workplace or to people who work, that would be a different question. I never had to deal with that issue. Whatever Louis was accused of had nothing to do with this place or anybody in it. It was an accusation of some things he did 15 years ago in another time and place. And I would add to that that I think we do have it upside down in a sense that the people who deny, deny, deny, even implausibly so, like Bill Clintoninton we all kind of just pretend the denial is plausible and the people who actually come clean like louie and some other people we say aha and then we just jump on them you know and i kind of think that um somebody apologizing comes clean and hasn't committed a crime they they do have a right. We ought to want them to be able to go on with their lives.

Well, I guess I'm thinking about when I hear about a comedian harassing another comedian, I hear about a comedian assaulting or raping another comedian, I hear co-workers. So I'm thinking of it in terms of co-worker sexual harassment and how do you move forward from that. I'm thinking about it as not office, but it's the office. Yeah, for comedians, that is the only office.

That's the only office we have. The green room is the office. The hotel at the festival is the office. No, no, the hotel at the festival is not the office. I'm sorry. You don't think so? What? Anywhere where comedians are congregating and all paid for the same job is the office?

I was a musician, working musician, did tons of gigs. If I was hanging out with a girl in the band until four in the morning and the bars closed, and I said, hey, you want to come back to my room and smoke some weed? That doesn't give me any kind of license to misbehave in the room. But I would not say that she and I were at work in the office. That was a decision of her to come back to my hotel room. I can't I don't even

know if the point matters that much, but just because it's the way I am, contrary in a certain way, I can't come that far and say this, like, if you're here at the Comedy Cellar or upstairs in the podcast studio or in the bathroom, or in the bathroom.

That's the office. It's a captive audience. But what if we are on the— That's not the same thing if I say, hey, after this podcast, Kelly, let's you and me go get a drink and then I have a room in Times Square. That wouldn't be the office. At some point, it's not. What if I'm headlining a gig out of state and I ask another comedian who's a regular here to open for me, and he crosses the line in Delaware.

It's still going to, well, it's not. Yeah, yeah, that could be. But we're considered, for the most part, comedy seller comics, and it was still kind of, you're right, you are right, but then I'm also like, but it's still The Office. I think the comedy community, regardless of what club you're associated with, is The Office. Well, you're out late.

I mean, I'm just thinking even like last night, I was out with three male comics that I'm friends with. Big mistake. Until like, I just went to a show and we're out until like 3 a.m. just talking and laughing. It was great. We were just friends. We're hanging out. Those guys are not rapists. Awesome.

Good luck to me. But I was alone with them. The office is comedy. It's not a club. The office is comedy. You're in a situation a lot, especially if you're a woman doing comedy, you're a lot of times totally outnumbered.

You're looking around the room. It's 10 guys and you, and you're like, okay, let's hope no one's a rapist. I'm outnumbered. That's true. That happens a lot. I've hung out with comics and been like, I, let's hope no one's a rapist. I'm outnumbered. That's true. That happens a lot. I've hung out with comics and been like, I hope I can go back to my hotel room and nobody

oversteps their boundaries. And sometimes I'll try to just name it. I'll just make a joke about it. What do you say about this? You're a comedian. You have those same feelings that they do? I think that when you are a woman navigating your way through the world, it's always something that's in the back of your mind. And sometimes it's not so much in the back of your mind. Sometimes it's in the front of your mind. Are you nervous often when you're around

male comedians? I don't know that it's if I'm nervous when I'm around male comedians. It's that I am wholly aware of the fact that as women at any moment, a situation could become physically dangerous. I am a woman first. That's what I always keep in the forefront of my mind. You can't get away from that. I would remind Jackie. And also, wait, can I just finish my answer? I also think that I also feel like

because I haven't been doing comedy for that long, if I got booked on a big show that I really wanted to do and I saw a guy on there that made me uncomfortable for whatever reason, I don't think it would be that easy to just be like, oh, well, I'm just not going to do that show. It's like, you want to do those shows. You want to work. Yeah. And I have heard

of male comics who will not fuck a female comic because they're so worried it'll be misconstrued or they're just worried overall the word getting out. I'll flirt with a guy, comic, and he'll be like, no it's too weird now. I need to make sure that you're really okay with it.

So yeah, things are on the one end extreme. But they got there because things got so fucked up for a minute that now we're all on the extreme. I wanted to say that Jackie, despite her protestations, is discussing what it's like to be a woman

in comedy. Yes. Because if I do a podcast or a radio show or someone's home office with their own, it's like to be a woman in comedy. Yes. Because if I do a podcast or a radio show or someone's home office with their phone, it's always going to come back to, so what's it like being a female in comedy? We're talking about rapes. That is. Let's talk about rape, baby.

This whole topic was, what is it like to be a woman in comedy? It was. That is every podcast. What's it like? Whatever. The truth is, what is it like? Whatever. The truth is, what is it like to be a woman in comedy,

I think is a fascinating question. What's not fascinating is, you know, tell us about working at the funny bone, at the punchline. I mean, those questions aren't interesting. No. To me.

Because you're in and out. Because you're in for three days, four days, and then you leave. But those are questions that are also asked a lot on comedy podcasts. I do think what it's like to be a woman in comedy is quite fascinating. Because you have these questions, these interactions in a male-dominated world that you have to navigate. And I do think that's kind of fascinating.

I kind of like that men are more careful now. I mean, the problem is that nobody ever says, what's it like to be a male? No. Is that the problem, really? That's the problem? Yeah, I think it's like, why is the onus on us? Because we're visiting your world. We are a visitor on your earth.

I like to think of situations. I was around a group of men the other day, and they were all plotting out their plan for if they had to go to prison. Their plan to avoid getting raped. When I heard them all talking about how to not get raped in prison and their fears, I'm like, oh, that's me.

That's what it's like to be a woman in society. Now you get it. That is it. Because I go into the room and I'm like, okay, who do I need to make yourself big, make yourself strong. Now you get it. That is it. Because I go into the room and I'm like, okay, who do I need to make yourself big, make yourself strong, you know? Don't fuck around. Don't fuck that guy. Don't do that.

You know, it's like your plan. Wait, wait, wait. I want to ask you a question. We say that's what it's like to be a woman in comedy or that's what it's like to be a woman? To be a woman, really. Both. I remember years ago, a very popular male headliner, years ago, and I'm like, can I go on the road with you? I need to get work.

I want to open for you. And his first question was, are you going to, are you fucking? And we were alone. But he was being sincere. He was like, well, I'll consider having you open for me, but are you going to fuck me while we're on the road? And I was like, no. And, of course, the offer, you know, went away. That's what it's like to be a woman in comedy also.

Before you become a headliner or before you become popular, they want to know, well, what are you willing's like to be a woman in comedy also. Before you become a headliner or before you become popular, they want to know, well, what are you willing to do to be a woman in comedy for real? And that's a constant thing. And what's interesting is I... Esty doesn't do that, does she? No. Well, I'm entering this world with a very strange...

Like, most people are meeting me for the first time as, like, rape girl. Like, you know, I can see them think that when they for the first time as like rape girl. I can see them think that. I look at you as powerful girl. Thank you. But I go into a comedy club space for the first time and I sit at the comic table of men and I see them look at me and it's like,

it's not like the same. I could tell the conversations are going to start differently because it's like the eggshells of like, all right. Can I say something, though? I think that that's really a good thing. Me too. I think that you broke some rule. I like it.

That we're not supposed to say that. Because as evidenced by the fact that nobody before you said anything is shocking to me. And the other really interesting question is, what if a guy comic had gone up on stage and called Weinstein out? I mean, I think the reaction would have... And none of them did. I remember my little text group of female comics,

some of them were posting on Twitter. I guess, I can guess no man stood up or said anything against him, did they? No. No, not one, not that night. If it's happened before, maybe on the previous Actors Hour. You know what it reminded me of?

What it reminded me of is when Hannibal Buress mentioned Cosby. And when he it was like that was what it took. And he didn't do it thinking this was going to happen. He just did it like, you guys, you cool with this?

He unintentionally validated 50 plus women and started this whole thing. And it's like because he was a man, it was like, wait, what did he say? It went viral because a man did it. Even though he was literally saying, like the joke was, if you Google Bill Cosby rape, it has more hits than Hannibal Buress. And so he knew it was already out there. And he's saying, like... He didn't discover it.

You know? And the fact, like, that said everything to me, that it took, like, a man being like, this is true. And that's so true of the whole movement, where it's, like, it's been out there. Women have been screaming this. It's not new. You know there's a video of Courtney Love about 20 years ago on the red carpet of some big hollywood

event and the person interviewing her is like so courtney love who's obviously like a huge star what's your advice for young girls getting into hollywood and she said don't go back to a hotel room with harvey weinstein oh i remember that yeah remember that. What's his name? Family guy. Seth MacFarlane? He intentionally roasted Harvey Weinstein because he knew when he

hosted the Oscars. I remember remembering that. When you're a rape victim, whenever you hear something like that, you log it like i don't know how i feel like a lot of times things get passed like for example like um when i heard about when like a lot of stuff hit the news i remember feeling like i knew it like five years

ago like there's like a time when it comes up as a blip and it's like it gets silenced or you know you hear a little thing about uh weinstein or.K., or you hear, like, you know, these little, like, and then you're like, what was that? Or someone says it in passing. And I think for most people, I think it sort of slips by. But if it's, like, at the forefront of your life experience, you're just like, you know, you remember it. So let me ask you a question.

Are you a comedian despite the fact that you had this rape experience or because of it? I've always been a comedian. I feel like it's been like a part of my identity since I was a little kid. Like I was always trying to make people laugh. I was always, you know, putting on skits and writing sketches since I was a little kid, like, I was always trying to make people laugh. I was always, you know, putting on skits and writing sketches since I was a little kid. I think rape got in my way for a while. I mean, there was, like, a 10-year period where over the course of 10 years,

I was raped on three different occasions. And every time I tried to do comedy, like, when I think of, like, the first, like, every time I tried to do comedy like when I think of like the first like three times I tried to do an open mic all I could think about was this and it was like so fresh in my mind that I just tried jokes about it and they bombed obviously I mean not obviously but there were rape jokes about me and it was like I remembered and I just it was like this therapeutic thing where I would try it and it would bomb and I would go home and be like I'm never gonna do comedy but it was like it was in my head you know I felt like it was like this therapeutic thing where I would try it and it would bomb and I would go home and be like, I'm never going to do comedy.

But it was in my head. I felt like it was in my way because it was my life experience. Did you get, in these three instances, did you get any justice from the courts or did you pursue justice? I never spoke out against my rapists, mainly because they're people who were rapists three times there's three people three different times and they're all people that I know and I I felt too much I was so connected to them it was either someone I loved or a friend or there was a lot of guilt and shame associated with calling out someone that you know and I've just never I've never felt strong enough

to call them out it's very difficult i mean you look at the people who call people out look at like but kavanaugh's like accuser like you don't benefit from calling people out like it it can ruin your life you say you know you're a musician as well are you more of a comedian sorry i like oh What a fun comedy podcast. We're crying. We're having a great time. Is comedy your main concentration or music or both? Well, I sort of...

I've always wanted... My goal as a kid, I always wanted to write for SNL or write for a show. They probably have a spot open now still, I heard well but I tried to um I I tried to get through to that through like making short films and making sketches first like I was writing sketch and directing sketch and then uh and then I started doing improv. I sort of tried different routes and then I really latched on to stand-up and I have a band as well.

Is it country music? It's punk. Punk. He's a country. We have one of the sexual predators. We have to go. We have to go everybody. You don't want to say hi to Mattel? We're leaving on such a happy note.

This is going so great. Thank you for inviting me. Sorry, I keep trying to figure out how to be funny in the rape interviews. Let the record show everybody's crying. This is great. I'm trying to figure out how to be funny. Not very funny. Rape girl, not very funny.

It is Thanksgiving, or it will be Thanksgiving tomorrow as we record this show. I'll probably be here until Thanksgiving. I didn't wish everybody, especially our new friend, Kelly Bachman, a happy Thanksgiving to all. Does anybody have anything interesting that they'll be doing for Thanksgiving? I would like free drinks the rest of the night, please. You can have that. What are you ready to do for it? I would like free drinks the rest of the night, please. Well, you guys are really brought me down. I'm just going to have that. What are you ready to do for it?

That's up to you. What is your offer? I don't like it. I just say I'm against it. Oh. All right. Well, Kelly, I'm really happy that you came, actually. And you were... Such as a...

I love the actually. No, because everybody was because I'm glad you guys asked me I do I'm glad you guys got to know me Hey I'm Jackie Fabulous and I moved back

to New York I've been in LA for 20 years Nobody gives a shit about me First of all you're much too young to have been

I didn't mean it that way I'm 48 40 Fantastic 8 Well I will tell you something Jackie Fabulous You look fantastic Thank you.

You do not look it. You're almost as young looking for your age as I am. Oh, shucks. But no, it's not about all of us. I'm just making fun. We didn't get to. In any case, I meant that only because I was worried about to have the conversation and not, you know, and being frank that she might get upset or whatever it is,

but it was a great conversation, and that's why I'm happy. We didn't get to some interesting points. Unfortunately, Bloomberg, running for president, didn't get to that. You had topics? You had actual paperwork?

We didn't get to, Mike Pompeo said, these settlements in the West Bank are legal under international law. Didn't get to that. What? And we did a lot of political discussions here as well. Oh, yeah.

And Noam's... A favorite topic of Noam is Israel-Palestine. Wow. I would have so much to say on that. And the latest on the impeachment... That's almost as difficult. We didn't get to that either. But I don't think we're any the worst for it because...

Well, let's hope they don't settle the Israeli-Palestinian conflict before next week's podcast. So we'll get a chance to talk about it next week. I don't think we're any of the worst for it because... Well, let's hope they don't settle the Israeli-Palestinian conflict before next week's podcast, so we'll get a chance to talk about it next week. I don't know anything about that. Did you know who you were inviting to be on this podcast? Can you see me? What? I don't know shit about Israel.

Kelly, by the way, I mean... I had to do homework and shit. I'm half Jewish. You're half Jewish? Yeah. By the way, Jackie... My mom converted. Jackie. Converted half Jewish. You're half Jewish? Yeah. By the way, Jackie... My mom converted. Jackie.

Converted from Jewish to Catholic. Oh, that counts. That means you're Jewish. Is your dad Jewish? No, my dad's not. My dad doesn't need to be Jewish. Her mom's Jewish. No, I know.

I was just curious. Jackie, by the way, Noam, she's working here now. That's relatively recent. But working here at the New York Comedy Cellar. Prior to that, she was a regular at the Vegas Comedy Cellar and a favorite of Esty's. You keep saying that. She was.

Are you going back to the Vegas room, Jackie, anytime soon? I'm there end of January. Look for Jackie Fabulous in Las Vegas. Do you enjoy doing the Vegas room? I love it. It's a little long. I feel like I have to mail forward it to do the Vegas room? I love it. It's a little long. I feel like I have to mail forward it to do the gig, but I love it there, though.

It's a fun hang, and you get to work on new material because there's so many. There's 800 shows, I think. We have to wrap it up, gentlemen. Go to JackieFabulous.com. JackieFabulous.com. And where can people go see Rape Jokes by Survivors? And for Survivors. It will be a by Survivors. And for Survivors. It will be a tour hopefully very soon.

Nice. Yeah. And where can they follow you on Instagram? I'm at Kelly Bachman on Instagram. I'm at Belly Cockman on Twitter.

Yeah, and I'm at the Roar Comedy Club this Friday and Saturday. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What? I'm kidding. I'm not fucking kidding. Oh, my bad.

I thought podcasts were about promoting ourselves. It's okay. I'll be in the cellar at some point. I'm a chef. I'm not lying. Oh, my bad. I thought podcasts were about promoting ourselves. It's okay. I'll be in the cellar at some point. I'm a chef. No, no, it's okay. Dan Natterman on Instagram and Nan Datterman. I'm kidding.

Jesus Christ, Dan. And I talk about stuff other than rape sometimes. So you should submit a tape here. Oh, I'd love to. Are you not going to perform here? I think this is a passing. I need to know if it's a passing. Can we just pass along?

Come on now. You're a troublemaker, aren't you, Jackie Fabulous? I almost had a nervous breakdown. Come on, let's pass her. Her in. I thought she was already here. Oh my God. And you can follow us on Instagram

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