The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Janeane Garofalo

Episode Date: December 29, 2016

Janeane Garofalo is a longtime standup comic and TV and film actress. She has been a cast member of the Ben Stiller Show, The Larry Sanders Show, Saturday Night Live, and The Jim Gaffigan Show, among ...others. She has appeared in dozens of films, including The Truth About Cats and Dogs, Wet Hot American Summer, Romy & Michele's High School Reunion, and Reality Bites. She has been a longtime activist for progressive causes.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to The Comedy Cellar, live from the table, on the Riotcast Network, riotcast.com. Good evening, everybody. Welcome to The Comedy Cellar show here on Sirius XM Channel 99. I'm here with Dan Natterman and, of course, Miss Kristen Gonzalez. What do you say with a list? Isn't that how you're supposed to say it? No. How do you say it? Castellano. Oh, yeah. Castellano, that Miss Kristen Gonzalez. What do you say with a lift? Isn't that how you're supposed to say it? No. How do you say it, Castellano? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:28 Castellano, that would be Gonzalez. I don't think he's from Barcelona. Yeah, exactly. I think his people are from a more western hemisphere. I was paying him a compliment, a little respect. I was trying to elevate his rank. Okay, great. But I think last week's show may have been our most important show ever.
Starting point is 00:00:45 Have you been getting as many comments about this show? No, I haven't been. I've been getting non-stop text messages from Nick DiPaolo, a bunch of other comedians. I can't remember. They were upset about it? No, they were.
Starting point is 00:00:59 Rich Voss, Bonnie. People listen to this show? A lot of people caught this show. And we're talking about how good we were with this Rolling Stone writer. A lot of people complained about it. Because you ripped him one, basically. Yeah, and that Jim David was criticized roundly for doing material on the show. Which actually didn't bother me none.
Starting point is 00:01:23 Which, it has to be funny material. He did. I find his material funny so in any event so a lot of people did hear the show and then I got contacted today on Facebook by an old friend who said he happened to hear the show he said he heard it on channel 94 but he may have just made a mistake
Starting point is 00:01:40 in any event so I think last week's show was very very good what did people like about it though were you there last week's show was very very good what did people like about it though what's the were you there last week yeah really they liked the fact
Starting point is 00:01:50 that it was interesting and that we took it to this guy that we stood up for truth and reality and didn't let the liberal media
Starting point is 00:01:59 just drag it around the Lugan press as the alt-right calls them got it steamroll us into a... Although he was a nice guy. Into a cliche.
Starting point is 00:02:10 He was nice. He is nice. I heard, by the way, Noam, before we get to our guests, we have a very esteemed guest this week. Probably one of our more esteemed guests that we've ever had. Agreed. Janine Garofalo, star of film and TV. Is it Garofalo or Garofalo?
Starting point is 00:02:23 I don't know. Garofalo, I guess. Okay, go ahead. She'll beofalo? I don't know. Garofalo, I guess. She'll be along by and by. But I did want to ask you a question. I heard there's a new rule here at the Cellar. Once again, for those not familiar with the place, there's a restaurant upstairs called the Olive Tree. Downstairs we have the Comedy Club.
Starting point is 00:02:37 And if people upstairs that are at the restaurant want to go to the bathroom, they have to go downstairs and go through the Comedy Club. Now, heretofore, when Chris Rock was on stage, customers were not allowed to go to the bathroom. We would tell them the bathroom was broken, which I've never heard at any restaurant ever in my life. But in any case, that's what we'd tell them. No, that's not what we would tell them.
Starting point is 00:02:56 We would have some kind of a... We need Liz. We need Liz. Why? Go ahead, Dan. Go ahead. Well, because Noam didn't want the show disturbed with people going in and out. She's the original.
Starting point is 00:03:09 With people going in and out during his set. Right. So there was a nobody goes to the bathroom. You had to go to a bathroom down the street. Right. Or order a pitcher and pee in that. But I'm kidding about that. But apparently that rule has been lifted.
Starting point is 00:03:21 Now people can pee or shit or what have you during Chris Rock's set. Really? That's what I was told that was the new rule. The rule has been lifted. Now people can pee or shit or what have you during Chris Rock's set. That's what I was told was the new rule. The rule has been lifted. It has been abrogated. Hi, Limor. We'll get to Limor. Toward the end, Limor.
Starting point is 00:03:35 So this is it. There's always been this thing about, because the customers have to walk right past the stage to go to the bathroom. So we still, and the rule hasn't been totally lifted, so we try to keep it to a minimum. But the fact is, you can't tell people they can't use the bathroom, especially when...
Starting point is 00:03:58 But you've been doing it for years. No, no, we didn't have them doing it. Actually, we have a deal with the Cafe Juan, which is right next door, that people can go down and use that bathroom. But from time to time, and for whatever reason, if the Watt is closed or for whatever reason, all I did was tell them, listen, it's not the end of the world
Starting point is 00:04:17 if one person has to use the bathroom, because after all, the customers get up and use the bathroom. It's not like it sticks out like a sore thumb that somebody walked across the aisle and then Chris is one of the Chris is one of the only comedians who didn't, well he worked here
Starting point is 00:04:35 coming up but he didn't work here as we were already successful. He kind of worked here before we were really successful and then came back once we were successful but the other comedians like Amy, Aziz, and whoever else, Ray Romano, whoever else it is that... They're used to it because they've been here for a long time. They never knew the Comedy Cellar stage when there weren't people using the bathroom.
Starting point is 00:04:57 So it was hardly unusual to them or stood out to them that somebody didn't use the bathroom. And of course, if you tell somebody they can't use the bathroom, they're going to get furious. I would get furious, too. I'm in a restaurant. So it's like everything when you're in charge of an organization. You try to make a rule, but you also try to get people to weigh and kind of call some audibles. And people go on a power trip.
Starting point is 00:05:25 This is the problem. They enjoy telling people, nope, bathroom's closed. Liz, sit down one second, please. I tried to spare you, but unfortunately you were summoned. What is the new rule about when Chris Rock is in the bathroom? He's on stage.
Starting point is 00:05:40 People can use the bathroom. No. Who told you that? That people can use the bathroom? I thought the rule was this. First we tell them to use the bathroom. No. Who told you that? That people can use the bathroom? I thought the rule was this. First, we tell them to use the wa. Mm-hmm. Is that correct?
Starting point is 00:05:50 Yes. And if they can't use the wa, then we'll let them use the bathroom. Yes. That's correct. Yes. Yes. So it's not the end of the world,
Starting point is 00:05:57 but we still do try to avoid it. I thought it was a blanket abrogation of the previous legislation regarding going to the bathroom when Chris Rock was on stage. But it is a flexible on case-by-case basis. It's everything short of...
Starting point is 00:06:10 See, what happened is that the other night, somebody came in and wanted to use the bathroom, a customer. And by the way, did you get in touch with that customer? Yes, I emailed, invited them back, and thank you very much, blah, blah, blah. So the customer came and wanted to use the bathroom. It says the bathroom's for customers only. So then he said, okay, well, then I'll buy a drink. And then the manager said, no, doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Even if you buy a drink, you can't use the bathroom because you're just buying the drink to use the bathroom. Now, first of all, the drink is money, right? So why would you – but I know that sounds petty, but just like from a manager's point of like, and I'm like, okay, but if we can't tell him he can't buy a drink, and once he buys a drink,
Starting point is 00:06:52 he is a customer, and if he's a customer, we have to arrange a bathroom for him. Yeah. So the customer left furious, and I'm like that, and then he's of course going to go on, I was going to say Craig,
Starting point is 00:07:03 on Yelp, and like all this, and then just, of course going to go on I was going to say Craig on Yelp and like all this and I'm like just just let the guy use the fucking bathroom it doesn't mean that the entire thing is going to come
Starting point is 00:07:12 crumbling down you know and Chris is actually doesn't mind I was going to say I don't think I do and he knows
Starting point is 00:07:19 I don't know if I said it or I was just it was in my head and I never actually got it out sometimes he'll do an hour so we can't close the bathroom down for an hour. So we try to fit it in, you know, a little bit at a time, whatever it is. And the truth is.
Starting point is 00:07:30 I always thought that historically it was because when people find out that someone's on stage down there, when the word travels, when John Mayer was coming out, when Chappelle was here, then everybody tries to go down and they say, oh, I have to use the bathroom. That doesn't really happen like that anymore. And then you sort of see that happening if it is going to happen. And then you're like, no. And we have it on the freaking TV screens anyway. I mean, the people are, no one.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Can we get Calabria and Janine over? Dan is like, this is, turn out to be. I'm not nervous. I think that we have, this is a fascinating discussion, but I think it's been given the treatment it deserves. This is really the problem. I brought it up. I wanted to build a new bathroom in the Olive Tree.
Starting point is 00:08:21 However, years ago I wanted to build a bathroom right where we're sitting. And I was unable to do it because of all the rules and regulations regarding a bathroom. Wouldn't you have to change everything to become ADA compliant if you did that? First of all, it's an amazing story. First of all, you'd have to change everything to be ADA compliant, which makes it... That's the American Disabilities Act.
Starting point is 00:08:37 Yes, which means it has to take up like twice as much space. But also, this is the best part, it was against the law to have unisex bathrooms as a matter of fact we had to rebuild the underground bathrooms oh that's right
Starting point is 00:08:51 because you weren't allowed to have men and women and now it turns out it's a human rights violation to not have unisex bathrooms so this is
Starting point is 00:08:59 make America great again okay so are we another reason I want to get them over here is I'm always nervous that someone's going to sit down no that's what I was saying when I said you Another reason I want to get them over here is I'm always nervous that someone's going to sit down.
Starting point is 00:09:06 No, that's what I was saying when I said you're nervous. You want to just get to the I want to make sure all the places are taken.
Starting point is 00:09:11 The meat of the sandwich. This way nobody sits down that maybe we don't want to sit down. Are you ready for Jeannie and Garoppolo? I certainly am. We're ready.
Starting point is 00:09:18 I'm nervous. Wow. Dan's got a lot of tough questions for her. Because I thought because first of all I wanted to have another guest.
Starting point is 00:09:24 Dan said no. And then I thought Dan knew her And Well I don't know I know of her Just write over Wherever you please Is he okay? That's fine
Starting point is 00:09:33 This is a great big star And we're pleased to have her On our humble Huh? What? No no we just started With the preliminary stuff No no no
Starting point is 00:09:40 We usually find out About Dan's week Just preliminary stuff You know how like Mark Maron does a monologue or something up front? I usually skip through that. We don't do that. We just do... Your entree.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Yeah, we did an entree. And we mentioned you. We said you're going to be here, and we're excited to have you. Thank you, Mer. Noam's a little bit nervous. He's intimidated by you. That can't be true. That is true.
Starting point is 00:10:00 And Stephen Calabria is here. I asked Stephen Calabria to sit down with us as a placeholder. Very important role. Don't underestimate it. Just the way nobody else sits down. Otherwise, they never invite him to the table. Well, sometimes people sit down and we necessarily don't, you know, because there's a lot of comics floating around. They might want to sit down.
Starting point is 00:10:17 Would you like something to drink or to eat? No, I'm okay. Or some pastry of some kind? Nothing? Okay. Oh, my gosh. I don't feel properly lit under this light. This is not. Thank you. Now it's a little too dark. of some kind, nothing? Okay, all right. Oh, my gosh. I don't feel properly lit under this light.
Starting point is 00:10:26 This is not... Yeah. Thank you. Now it's a little too dark. Is it too dark? No, we're good. We're good. So let's give an introduction worthy of our guest. Go ahead, Dan.
Starting point is 00:10:37 Star of film and TV. And like many of my favorite people, she comes from the great state of New Jersey. Please welcome to our program Miss Janine Garofalo. Hello, hello. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I do very well. How do you do? Fine, thank you.
Starting point is 00:10:54 Janine and I have known, we don't know each other, but we've crossed... But we've met intermittently, cross paths. Yeah. Now, do you remember me? Because we had a discussion. You went to summer camp with my sister years ago. Which one? Was it Girl Scout summer camp?
Starting point is 00:11:09 No, gymnastics. Gymnastics camp. Yeah, gymnastics. I know that seems odd that I went to gymnastics camp, but I also went to field hockey camp. Seems odd to me that anatomy would go to gymnastics camp. Yeah, right. And that it wasn't Dan.
Starting point is 00:11:22 Well, I went to tennis camp. Okay. And I was as bad as you might imagine. That's how I was at gymnastics and field hockey because I'm not really a competitor.
Starting point is 00:11:30 I don't have that fire to... You know, I had the same thing in tennis. I mean, my physical skills were bad, so that's a bad basis, but beyond that,
Starting point is 00:11:39 I didn't have the killer instinct. When I started, when I was winning, I felt bad for the other guy. And when I was losing, I was infuriated. That's much like in comedy. You might have noticed the same trend. When I started, when I was winning, I felt bad for the other guy. And when I was losing, I was infuriated. That's much like in comedy.
Starting point is 00:11:46 You might have noticed the same trend. Yeah. Like on Last Comic Standing, when I thought I might get into the house, I was uncomfortable. And then when I lost,
Starting point is 00:11:53 I was furious. So it's the same. Don't take this the wrong way. Go ahead. Uh-oh. When you preface it that. You know it's coming. I want this show
Starting point is 00:12:00 to focus on Janine. No, no, no, no, no, no. And we're going to do so. And we're going to do so. But we can't. I prefer we talk more about Natterman. We're going to focus on Janine. No, no, no, no, no, no. And we're going to do so. And we're going to do so. But we can't. I prefer we talk more about Natterman. We're going to focus on Janine.
Starting point is 00:12:09 It's enough out of you, placeholder. No, I'd like to hear more. In due course. I'd like to hear more about the struggle you have. Well, we'll get to that. It's not a struggle.
Starting point is 00:12:16 It's just a personality quirk that I have. It's not really a quirk. I find that a lot of people in entertainment, whatever avenue, have a combination of both narcissism mixed with self-loathing. That's what I'm getting at.
Starting point is 00:12:29 Noam, of course, thinks it's all about me. In fact, it's a very common thing. It probably is more common in many vocations, but I just happen to know more people that work in comedy than other jobs. And what about the hatred of other people's success? Does that follow? I actually haven't found that to be true, at least in my peer group. Not a hatred of other people's success.
Starting point is 00:12:56 There's a metric of I'm not doing well. Not that I begrudge the person their success, but, oh, it just highlights how well I'm not doing. Does that make sense? So, in other words, if I were doing well, that hatred, so to speak, would not exist at all. No, no. It's only there in comparison. I wouldn't hate a person that's doing well unless they've earned that vitriol. Unless it was a horrible person who treats people horribly and has done duplicitous things to attain that success.
Starting point is 00:13:29 Other than that, I would feel like, oh, so-and-so is doing so well and I'm not doing anything. I don't know if I'm articulating that correctly. You're articulating it beautifully. And I just have to say that Dan has trouble with that. That's true. Dan, like if I beautifully, and I just have to say that Dan has trouble with that. That's true. Dan, like if I say, boy, Jon Stewart is so funny, that might set him off the edge.
Starting point is 00:13:51 Don't bring up. It might feed into his insecurities. He might feel, he takes it as, and I'm not. That's right. Is that what you're saying? That's exactly what he takes.
Starting point is 00:13:59 He actually verbalizes that. Okay, I don't want to get bogged down. Well, self-awareness is good. At least there's a dialogue about it and I feel that's a good thing. And especially since it's dark, which I feel is really good. Can we get a little bit more?
Starting point is 00:14:10 No, no, no. People share in the dark. People share in the dark. Janine, you look great. No, I'm an AARP. I like it. You're an AARP? Well, when you get to a certain age,
Starting point is 00:14:18 they give you a... I don't know. 50 and over. Got a free backpack. You're over 50? Yes. I didn't think that. Yeah, I wouldn't have said that either.
Starting point is 00:14:26 It's the new over 40. Oh, my goodness. Yes, I just turned 53 in September. Well, you look fantastic. You do look fantastic. It's because it's dark. It's because it's dark. See, now, if it was light, you might not.
Starting point is 00:14:36 You look good in the light as well. It's good to see your face here at the Comedy Cell. You're mysteriously absent from this place, it seems. I have a reason for that now I do very much like this place it's one of the best cafe au lait's I've ever had oh Ava will be so happy to hear that
Starting point is 00:14:53 in this place that's a backhanded compliment for the comedy zone I'm intimidated by the comedy zone I'll tell you why in the 90's I started doing stand up in 85 and in the early 90's when I was doing stand-up in 85. And in the early 90s, when I was lucky enough to perform here, I would bomb so terribly that I have a almost Pavlovian response to,
Starting point is 00:15:14 I feel like I cannot succeed downstairs. We call that post-traumatic stress disorder. I guess I feel that's overstating it, but okay. But I would be, and every comic who went up before me would do very, very well. And those that followed me would do very, very well. And it embarrassed me terribly to do so poorly here. Is that really the reason? That is really the reason.
Starting point is 00:15:36 I would be, and I'm just saying, because back then, most of the spots were much later at night. It has nothing to do with customers going to the bathroom in front of you. Like I said, the others would do very well. It's not one of those things where it's like, oh, they're terrible crowd. I had to take responsibility for... I was sure it was because either something happened
Starting point is 00:15:55 with SD or you didn't like the high level of right-wing politics around this place. Oh, no, I never like right-wing politics around any place. You can't escape it. It's in many... Some clubs have it more than others. We have it, no, I never like right-wing politics around any place. You can't escape it. It's in many areas. Some clubs have it more than others. We have it the most, I think. There is definitely a patina of that.
Starting point is 00:16:14 By the way, I think, Noam, you've met your match in terms of vocabulary tonight. Yes. Noam is usually the most... That's not true. Patina is the... I always feel like I'm terribly inarticulate and cannot... No, not at all. Well, I can never get
Starting point is 00:16:26 to a point succinctly. That's obvious because I talk a lot. But you seem to have a very nice vocabulary. Well, I have a word-a-day calendar. Oh, do you really? No, but you usually
Starting point is 00:16:35 are words, man. But I actually have since... I've gotten them as gifts from my dad almost every year since the sixth grade. And it's just a habit now. And even though
Starting point is 00:16:44 a lot of the words I've used tonight, everybody knows I have not used any words that anyone would go, what does that mean? But if you start getting those as a young person, it's unbelievably helpful. It really adds up. But is there any better reminder of just how your brain becomes less and less efficient
Starting point is 00:17:04 as you age, then the increasing difficulty remembering these words. Like, I cannot learn new words. It's so hard for me now. I've forgotten people's, the names of very easy, like, oh, what's that actor? Gene Hackman. You know what I mean? Like, it's, I can't, everything flies out of my head.
Starting point is 00:17:20 And it's terrifying. It is. Now, I never did have a great memory. But it's gotten much worse. Noam's become increasingly concerned with his mental... I'm very concerned. But the only thing that makes me feel better is that almost everybody around my age is having the same terrors.
Starting point is 00:17:37 But then I see somebody like Hillary Clinton or these people in their 70s who show no signs. But I assume they have strategies of ways of hiding when they can't remember something. Well, I think there are some people that their brain functions at a higher level than others, and I would say Hillary Clinton is one of those people
Starting point is 00:17:52 that is way above average intelligence, but she, since she was a very young person, has been using her brain and using it nonstop, nonstop intellectual stimulation. And I guess she doesn't do any drugs, which may or may not have anything to do with it. Right, she probably has a very clear head. By the way, one time I met a girl at a cafe
Starting point is 00:18:11 whose name I should have remembered but forgot. And so here's a trick. I ran into the bathroom and went to Facebook and started scrolling, looking at the pictures of my Facebook friend, because I knew she was a Facebook friend. And after a certain time, she knocked on the door and said,
Starting point is 00:18:24 Hey, it's Eileen. No. After a certain. And after a certain time, she knocked on the door and said, hey, it's Eileen. No. After a certain time, I found her picture. Yeah, but that doesn't help when you're shy. I have a much easier trick for if you don't remember somebody's name, and it's people that you've known long enough that you cannot ask. If you're lucky enough to have somebody that you can introduce them to, you introduce your friend to the person's name
Starting point is 00:18:45 you've forgotten first. So, for example, I'll say, oh, this is Pete, and then I'll pretend I have to cough or something, before I can say
Starting point is 00:18:55 the person's name, and they will say it. Ah. I've done that before. Yeah, I understand. So that you did know it, but you just had to clear your throat.
Starting point is 00:19:04 That works if there's only one person whose name you can't remember. I know, I know. Call three times. No, but you just had to clear your throat. That works if there's only one person whose name you can't remember. I know, I know. Call three times. No, well, you know what happens. Then you pretend something went down the wrong pipe. Sometimes I will compensate if I forget somebody's name with every other fact I know about them.
Starting point is 00:19:17 So how's your garden doing? Like, in other words, if I say enough shit that I know about them, they'll assume I must know their name as well. Or you can pretend you have a nickname for them. You know, like, hey man, or hey cutie. Or just be very into it and hug them and say, dog man, it's so good to see you, brother.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Son of God. So I have only one question that I've been wanting to ask Jeanine Garoppolo, this one question for, I guess it's like 15-something years now or something like that. How did you know? And by the way, I am pretty conservative. However, I always admired you because you took on Bill O'Reilly,
Starting point is 00:19:53 and you said there were no weapons of mass destruction, and you had it out. I saw that show, and you were right. He still feels like I owe him an apology. Well, no, he owes you an apology because you were right, and then he, to his forever discredit, never had you back on to tell you, you know what, Janine, you were right. Well, after a lot of people felt that there was no weapons. I'm not special in that.
Starting point is 00:20:16 There was lots of people. But unfortunately, mainstream media and right wing media only likes to have people who are in entertainment on who uh are not supporting the status quo because it's easy to mock and marginalize them right so it's easy to go oh what do i care what that actor says or whomever right so even though there was many many people in high levels of government and other people people can respect uh saying there's no weapons of mass destruction you don't have those people on? Because it's not easy to discredit them. But I had been on the O'Reilly show about five times. That was, I think, the last time.
Starting point is 00:20:51 But after the invasion, clearly, months and months after it was clear it wasn't going well and there was no weapons, he was still calling for me to apologize for being so wrong. And also back at the time, Joe Scarborough also demanded that I, and he had a minion of his come to one of my stand-up shows and give me this fake award called the Black Crow Award, meaning you have to eat crow for being so wrong.
Starting point is 00:21:21 This was O'Reilly did that or Scarborough? No, Scarborough did that years ago. I mean, this is many, many years ago. That's terrible. It was a drag. Sure. I don't enjoy looking back on the early aughts and unfortunately I feel the same and worse is
Starting point is 00:21:37 coming in 2017 after January 20th. And now that I'm older, protesting is going to be more difficult as I'm older because my lower back hurts a lot. I don't like to. And I have to urinate quite a bit now,
Starting point is 00:21:53 which I know that's vulgar, but as one gets older. Protesting is not for the older. It's a young man's game. It's a young man's game, protesting. So I just want to tell you, as a kind of right-wing guy, I thought you got a bum rap, and I thought it was terrible at O'Reilly.
Starting point is 00:22:10 One of O'Reilly's worst moments, actually. I'm sure he would not see it that way. Yeah, but he's kind of an egomaniac. But for somebody, and I watch his show, and I like his show. It's always stuck with me. I say, you were so wrong, she was so right. Why can't you just admit it, you know?
Starting point is 00:22:26 Well, it's sort of not what he does. To admit, if you were to admit he was wrong, then he would lose kind of the hold. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:22:34 You have to just keep plowing forward. Many people are wrong about a lot of things. But you guys almost like bet on it or something. Like it was like really. No, I said,
Starting point is 00:22:41 if I'm wrong, and I said, I will crawl across, I think cut glass and deliver roses to Lynn Chaney. And he was calling for an apology to that, or to some effect, or to come back on the show and say I was wrong. All right. We happen to have Bill O'Reilly here. No, I'm kidding. Oh, it's like that scene from Manny Hall with Marshall McLuhan.
Starting point is 00:23:07 Wouldn't that be awesome? Okay. We're here with Janine Garofalo. That's what people on the radio do, right? Every now and again, they say, we're here with, you know, just in case somebody. It's called resetting. Reset. Janine Garofalo, iconic mythical figure from.
Starting point is 00:23:20 Mythical. Ooh. Janine, I did want to talk to to you if it's not too delicate a subject about your intimacy issues, which are legendary. You've been quoted as saying you're asexual. Is that correct? I feel that way.
Starting point is 00:23:33 I mean, I don't know what the hard and fast rules of asexuality are. And actually, I've been living with the same gentleman, my boyfriend, for 18 years. And when I used to drink all the time, I could be sexual. And now we're still together, but that's more about real estate. We're like best friends who live together, who used to be boyfriend and girlfriend, if that makes sense.
Starting point is 00:23:55 He is my closest friend. It's like married. Like married. The sexual part. The sexual part, sort of. Yeah, but of course, right. Sexless couples are nothing new, but it... Well, I always had, even growing up, a very low libido, I feel.
Starting point is 00:24:10 At least to what TV and movies tell you you're supposed to feel, or how my peers seem to be acting. Right. I just never seemed to be that interested. Now, I would be very attracted to certain males in high school and college usually based upon how funny they were. And that's not me saying, oh, nice, interesting person.
Starting point is 00:24:33 I said that. Of course, looks had things to do with it, too. There's some people I'm attracted to for their looks, theoretically. And then some people who make you laugh so much or intellectually stimulating that you become very attracted to them. But the nuts and bolts of having sex is not appealing to me, was not.
Starting point is 00:24:50 And then for many years I was drunk all the time, and I would have sex a lot because it made me feel normal to do that. And also when you're drunk, it's easy to do it. And then when I got sober, I was like, oh, no, now we're back to, although there was this brief period of when I was around, oh no, now we're back to, although there was this brief period of, when I was around 43 to 47, where I actually felt sometimes a libido. And I think it was just my body saying,
Starting point is 00:25:17 oh no, it was 37 to 43, sorry, couldn't have been 47. That it was my biological clock saying, if you want to have a kid, you better do it. I feel like it was a biological imperative. I believe that. Because I felt like I would like to have sex with a person, which is unusual for me. I just, I think it's biological,
Starting point is 00:25:37 and also I'm ashamed, easily embarrassed. I'm very easily embarrassed. Maybe you had a Catholic upbringing, if I'm not mistaken. Well, I did, but so did a lot of people who have sex all the time. I don't think it's the Catholicism. I think it's more just garden variety, body shame, and also I always think it's just embarrassing to be that vulnerable. And you don't have any Freudian theories as to why this might have come about?
Starting point is 00:26:01 I have tried to think of it. I have tried to think of where this comes from. Like I said, some of it I believe is biological. I think some people's libido is lower and higher than others. Well, that's for sure. Yeah, I mean... And Chris Rock had a joke years ago where he said a man is only as faithful as his options.
Starting point is 00:26:16 And I think that's true for Chris Rock and for many others. I think for some men, faithfulness is not quite as difficult. No, I think it's case by case, but also it stands to reason that people don't want to be monogamous. You know, you meet a lot of interesting people in your life, and if you get married young, then you really have a hard road ahead of you. You know, marriage is an institution from the 12th century, average lifespan, 23, 24,
Starting point is 00:26:43 25 years, then you die of consumption. Oh, 23, 24, 25 years. Then you died of consumption. You're breaking my heart. No, no, what I'm saying is it was easy to be monogamous. Don't worry. It was easy to be monogamous when people lived to the age of 30 tops. Now people live routinely to 90. It's untenable
Starting point is 00:26:59 to me, seemingly, to be monogamous. Now at the beginning of my relationship with my current boyfriend, we were not monogamous and I think that's why we're still together. We had a sort of a policy of when, just don't discuss it. Well, that's fair. And what is it now? Now it's monogamous, although I've encouraged him to do whatever he feels like he wants to do.
Starting point is 00:27:19 Wait, but I thought it was currently a non-sexual kind of... No, no, no, I am non-sexual, so I've encouraged him to, if he would like to, do. And if he does, that's his business. I don't know. I don't know him, but I could imagine myself in that situation actually going outside the marriage, but even though I had permission, lying to my wife about it because I still knew that it might make her feel bad.
Starting point is 00:27:44 Uh-huh. wife about it because I still knew that it might make her feel bad. I think it makes him feel bad, actually, because he would prefer that we were still sexually active. And I wish we were, too. Now, having said that, like I said, he is my best. We're closer now, actually, in certain ways, than we were at the beginning. You like the relationship. You don't want to end the relationship.
Starting point is 00:28:02 I actually don't. But like I said, a lot of it has to do with the apartment that we have that we like, and neither of us would like to leave it. And we have dogs, you know, we foster dogs together. We have a dog, and we share that in common. And our current dog could not live without him. You know, they are so close that it would— So you're staying together for the dogs?
Starting point is 00:28:26 In a certain way, but also we love each other and we are best friends. And having said that, I hope this isn't terribly boring, but... I'm fascinated.
Starting point is 00:28:35 I think it hurts his feelings a little when I would encourage him to go outside. Now, if he does, I hope he does. He has never discussed it with me.
Starting point is 00:28:45 And it would not hurt me. It would hurt me. How old is he? He's younger than me. I'm 53. He's probably 47. That's my age. Well, 47, he still has a...
Starting point is 00:28:53 Which I feel is young. For a man, he still has a pretty healthy libido at 47. I have a healthy libido myself. I'm glad you asked. I think he would... This gentleman would like to jump in. Well, I have a question. Mr. Calabria?
Starting point is 00:29:05 Would you feel bad if he was not to tell you, or would you prefer that he told you? No, no, no. I think he's not, if he's doing it, he's not telling me. What would hurt me, but I would understand it, is if he fell in love with someone else and wanted to move out. That would certainly hurt me, but I would encourage him to do, because also I think he'd make a great father. I've never wanted to have children.
Starting point is 00:29:26 And he has felt that he hasn't either, but he's still young enough to do it. And I think he'd be an excellent father, just seeing how sensitive and how kind he is. So if that is the path that he chooses to go down, I would like that for him. I would miss him terribly, but I would like him to do that. But I think she was making an interesting... This is a painful situation. But it's an interesting point. It's similar to what Robert and what they discussed in the Cheaters book
Starting point is 00:29:53 on a very more kind of basic level or pro-Magnon level, the way that they operate. But just that the closer you become, the less sexualized the other person is. So it's actually more difficult to be sexual when you're closer and closer and you know everything about the person. That's why people have these one-night stands. It is for me.
Starting point is 00:30:15 The hotness is less. Yeah, because that spark is gone. There's nothing more exciting. Even with a low libido, I did recognize at the beginning of a flirtation and a relationship or a meeting for drinks, it's exciting. And the forbidden fruit aspect, which was not really there for him and I, is very exciting to some people. It's illicit.
Starting point is 00:30:35 It puts a spring in your step, too, seems like the new guy would be the most likely one to have sex with. Well, everybody feels that way, I think. The flirtations, the newness of a person, they don't come with baggage. You can project onto them. They haven't done things that annoy you yet. But also the shame part that you mentioned because you can just never see that person. You don't have to, you know. Some of the best sex I ever had in that brief period where I had a sexually active, my biological imperative. All I wanted to do was have sex and then not.
Starting point is 00:31:17 I don't want to talk to that person. I was like, you know, it would be so great if you would leave. And I don't mean that mean. Because it's like that too. I don't mean that mean, but there was something like, yeah, I don't need to... Well, one time a young lady said to me, I can have sex with you, but you have to promise never to contact me again.
Starting point is 00:31:32 And I was... Well, see, I find that exciting. I was delighted. She was expecting a protest. She didn't get one from me. But oddly, people then decide they like you if you're the aloof one first. It's just an age-old push-pull. Ordinarily, you would think people would love it, right, if you said let'soof one first. It's just an age-old push-pull. Ordinarily, you would think people would love it, right,
Starting point is 00:31:49 if you said, let's have sex, but don't contact me. But when you do posit that with people, then all of a sudden, it makes them question them. Why? Why doesn't he or she want me to contact them? I didn't have that reaction. I was like, that sounds good to me. Now, this was before Facebook. Had it been in the age of Facebook, I might have made some effort online to contact her again. Or to stalk. To stalk, this was before Facebook. Had it been in the age of Facebook, I might have made some effort online
Starting point is 00:32:05 to contact her again. Or to stalk. To stalk, as we call it. But I didn't know her last name, and there was no real reasonable, in the pre- Facebook era, way to find her, so I just went on with my life. She did leave her underwear in the house. On purpose? I don't know if it was on purpose, but
Starting point is 00:32:21 her pink thong was still in their underwear. Well, it's a hack move. It's like a thing that maybe they saw in a movie or something. Like, I'm going to lave this. Oh, my God. But I didn't know how to contact her. Or they couldn't find it. I didn't know how to contact her, but I did do things to that underwear.
Starting point is 00:32:34 But you are opposite. What kind of things? What kind of things would one do? Well, you can imagine. You know, I find the thong very unappealing. I don't know why. But you're not a gentleman. But why do you find it appealing? I'm asking in earnest. I'm not trying to find the thong very unappealing. I don't know why. But you're not a gentleman. But why do you find it appealing?
Starting point is 00:32:46 I'm asking in earnest. I'm not trying to. The thong? I don't like the thong either. It's got to be uncomfortable. It doesn't look good on most people. Does it? Well, it looks.
Starting point is 00:32:57 It's gross. But when it looks good, it looks good. And it's also, a lot of it is symbolism. This is a girl who's naughty. The same as a lower back tattoo, which may or may not be aesthetically pleasing. But when so many people have them and so many people wear thongs, why is that considered Well, you know, I guess it's just like, you know, big boobs. I mean, it's cliche, but it's always good.
Starting point is 00:33:15 No. There's certain areas where originality is not, you don't want originality. I don't want a girl with original breasts. What? I want a girl with original, I mean, different. Like one. Unique. Oh, I see what you're saying. That don't want a girl with original breasts. I want a girl with original, I mean, different, unique. Oh, I see what you're saying. That don't fit the aesthetic. Sometimes conventionality is what the doctor ordered.
Starting point is 00:33:33 There's small children behind us. Can they hear us or just sound loud in the headset? They won't understand. Gongs are not conventional, though, nor practical. You are opposite sides of the coin in the sense that she is low libido but likes the intimacy of a relationship. And you are high libido. I'm not high libido. Normal to above average.
Starting point is 00:33:55 On the libido scale. And you're deathly afraid of the relationship. Yes, that is interesting. And that's something we can delve into. Well, afraid of it, I guess, until you're not. You know, I never particularly wanted to be in a long-term relationship. This just happened. You know, I mean, it wasn't... I never
Starting point is 00:34:10 looked... Never wanted to be married, and I never have wanted to... But you're not married. No, no, no. I mean, like I said, we've been together 18 years. Wait, you were married, though. Yeah, that was in Las Vegas. Oh, okay. So this is not the same guy. No, no, no. That was my boyfriend at the time. We got married as a joke, and then it turned out it was real.
Starting point is 00:34:25 Right. We were married for 20 years. All right, all right. And then had it dissolved by a note of Republic because he got married for real. Yeah. And the lawyer pulled up those papers that, in a blackout, I didn't know we signed them and went to a courthouse. Is this current guy also like a quirky, comedic type person that you seem to like?
Starting point is 00:34:41 Oh, it's Rob Cohen. He was a writer for the Ben Stiller show. Rob Cohen. He directs Marin's show now. He was a writer for the Ben Stiller show. He directs Marin's show now. What I'm getting from you is that you have a Jew thing. I enjoy Jews, Palestinians, all and sundry. But when I was a kid, honestly, my mom used to say, marry a Jewish man, they make the best husbands.
Starting point is 00:35:04 I don't know how she came to that or if that's a true thing, but she always used to say. I've heard that. She was Irish. Marry a Jewish man, they make the best husbands. Probably there was an idea of a value on family or something like that. That's a stereotype that may or may not have any validity. I don't know. Noam is a great husband, but he's only one.
Starting point is 00:35:21 I think so. I'm a devoted father. I don't know what a great husband I am. You're not violent. Actually, that's the most important thing if you have kids. I think it's actually the most important thing to be a great father, even above being a good husband. By the way,
Starting point is 00:35:33 if we could just put this out there real quickly, I know I'm expecting a third child. Congratulations. We're married. We don't have sex that often, but it seems like whenever my wife feels frisky is when she's ovulating. Right. She seems to get pregnant every time we have sex. And she's not a young woman.
Starting point is 00:35:52 I'm very much in admiration of a woman at her age, and I don't want to mention it. She's 43. That's young. I feel that's young. But that can get pregnant without any IVF or anything? She's Puerto Rican. Ah, I'm just saying. Oh, well, I'm just saying. Oh,
Starting point is 00:36:06 well, there you have it. It just seems old to be able to get pregnant without any help. But for some reason these days, it seems like it's happening more.
Starting point is 00:36:12 I think because people are healthier. She's healthy, yeah. Whatever it is, but I've heard, there seems to be more and more women
Starting point is 00:36:19 over 40 who seem to be getting pregnant without... Celine Dion had a devil of a time, but maybe that's because Renee was so old. Or maybe she...
Starting point is 00:36:27 A lot of women have trouble from day one getting pregnant. Some women have trouble getting pregnant. But, you know, we got off it so quickly we didn't give it the attention it is required, which is, we'd love you to be performing in the Comedy Cellar. And it kills me that you...
Starting point is 00:36:43 I feel like I won't do well. I just remember not doing well. I cannot believe that's possible. So let's do it. I would be happy. Oh, that would be fantastic. You have my phone number, right? By the way, we have various plans,
Starting point is 00:36:54 programs that you can participate in. We have our gold plan, which means you stop by whenever you want and go on. I would never do that. Even if I don't... Well, I don't know if you qualify for the gold... I don't agree with that. Would people stop by and jump the line? Okay. I don't like that. Does anyone qualify for the gold plan? I think she would. I would never do that. Even if I don't agree with that when people stop by and jump the line.
Starting point is 00:37:06 Does Jenny would qualify for the goal plan? I think she would. No, no, no. I don't think I would qualify, but I also wouldn't even if I did. Okay, then there's the platinum where you get to go on. I don't know if it's platinum,
Starting point is 00:37:17 but there are people that go on under an assumed name. That is definitely something I don't need to do because at this point, especially younger people would have no idea who I was. And then you have our garden variety plan, a plan that I've been on for many years now, where you put you on the schedule under your name. Yes, I think that the best thing would be to put on under my name on the schedule.
Starting point is 00:37:36 Which is no lousy plan. David Tell is on that plan. It's good enough for David Tell. I just assumed that was the plan. Or then there's plan B where if you bomb, we change your name after. See, I'd be willing to do that. The bombing. I would change my own on the stage and say, thank you, I've been Beverly Center.
Starting point is 00:37:56 Do the young people are not familiar with some of the classics? Do I have to name them? Romy and Michelle's High School Reunion. The Truth About Cats and Dogs. Well, that's a great movie. That's a very underrated movie. Definitely young people aren Reunion, The Truth About Cats and Dogs, Three Honey Bites. Definitely young people aren't going to be familiar with Cats and Dogs. This is eons ago, but also I have no social media platforms.
Starting point is 00:38:11 And when you don't, you might as well not. I don't know. Isn't it great? I just don't like to have it. She was a huge movie star. I was. Not a huge movie star, but I was lucky enough to be a working actor in movies in the 90s. For a comedian to go into...
Starting point is 00:38:28 I mean, Ginny, we told Harry Enten, this guy you just met there, that you were going to be on the show, and he's 28 years old. He rattled off eight different movies that you were in, and he knew the roles of each movie. Well, that's unusual. Maybe he just quickly IMDb'd you.
Starting point is 00:38:41 No, no, no, no, no. No, absolutely not. Well, he's also a genius. That's unusual. You're better known than you might be. Well, here's what we'll do. We'll have a decibel meter downstairs. When we announce your name... It'll probably be...
Starting point is 00:38:54 But I don't see... We'll know. This implies that I need to be known. I don't need to know or expect people to know me. I would assume that most people under a certain age, and even some, it's not like I was very, very famous for very long. I was sort of lucky in the 90s from probably about 92. And then it ended sort of as quickly as it started around 2002. And why do you think it ended?
Starting point is 00:39:20 Did that just show business? Well, there's a few reasons. I think that I took two years off in the early 2000s to work at Air America radio station. That's where Maren worked. Maren worked there, too, yeah. When you take two years off and then try and jump back in as an early middle-aged person, and also a person that was never known for being a real versatile a chameleon type actor who was nominated for us you know I never had any of that and I don't think that there's a lot of people in in the industry who see me as a particularly skilled actor I'm not saying that
Starting point is 00:39:58 to be self-deprecating I'm just saying I think that's I was typecast early on and unfortunately that is problematic. And then there's just not a lot of roles for middle-aged women. There really isn't. And the ones that exist go to more known entities. Right. That's just the way it is. Lucky for you, you're a great stand-up so that you can always work. Stand-up, I was just saying, we were talking the other day,
Starting point is 00:40:24 and we were saying, you know, stand-up, God bless it, we don't appreciate what a great thing it is because, even though I shit on it all the time because I'm frustrated and angry, but the fact is you can always make money with stand-up. I didn't start acting
Starting point is 00:40:40 until I was 27. I started stand-up at 19. And the acting only came through two great opportunities from Gary Shandling and Ben Stiller, who I knew through stand-up. That's how that happened, and then it started opportunities coming in. But having said that, I've always preferred stand-up. I can control it. There's much more freedom. It's much more fulfilling in a lot of ways.
Starting point is 00:41:02 And you have something to say. And you can express yourself, and it can be a lot of fun when it's not a lot of fun. And it is a revenue stream. It's my main revenue stream now, and it's also something that is consistent. Acting is not consistent for me. I am beholden to whomever would like to cast me if they feel so inclined. And that is few and far between. But I feel I get a lot of satisfaction out of stand-up. I enjoy it. like to cast me if they feel so inclined. And that is few and far between. So, but I feel, I get a lot of satisfaction out of stand-up. I enjoy
Starting point is 00:41:28 it. I don't know how other actors who don't work a lot handle it. Because that's got to be very, very frustrating to always be waiting for someone to hire you. And they end up taking dinner theater and summer stock. You see these guys quite often. Or writing jobs.
Starting point is 00:41:44 Writing jobs. Right, right. Which is also fine. If they're working. Carrie Fisher was a writer but most actors are not writers. Most actors are not writers.
Starting point is 00:41:51 Oh, and you know, I just coincidentally read Carrie Fisher's book. You know, as you all know, she passed away yesterday. I had just happened to have picked up
Starting point is 00:41:59 her book the day before that. What do you make of this like 2016? Is it, people are saying oh, 2016 was a horrible year. Is that true, or is it just that we just sort of hear about it?
Starting point is 00:42:09 A lot of big names in the music business die. A lot of people die every year, every day. It seems like in the music business, we lost some major ones that may statistically be a standout year for music. You know, with Prince. George Leonard Cohen. David Bowie.
Starting point is 00:42:24 Glenn Frey. It might have been a big year for music. Whether it's a big year in general for people dying, I don't know. But Facebook seems to think so. No, it's mostly based on the music, I think. Well, it's a big thing on Facebook. People just post how 2016 is killing everybody. Well, also, I think a lot of them were backloaded, like it happened towards the tail end of 2016.
Starting point is 00:42:47 So we remember it. So it seems like more. And the election. I mean, I think a lot of people just think 2016 is like... Because there's been a national death. There's a national bereavement. Did your association with being political, not even... Yes, it hurt me very much, if that's where you're going.
Starting point is 00:43:00 Yes, it hurts females very much. It's taken differently for males. It doesn't hurt Alec Baldwin or Tim Robbins or many, many vocal males. Why is that? In the same way, there's always a gender bias. She's crazy.
Starting point is 00:43:18 It's just easier to marginalize females. I know there's probably some people rolling their eyes listening to this right now, but there is a decided difference to how words are taken and heard by some in society. But definitely those that hire you or whatever, they generally don't like it from anybody who asks questions or... I accept that. You're looking at me. I'm not rolling my eyes at that.
Starting point is 00:43:41 I believe that's true. But I... So, yeah, definitely. Definitely. Forgive me, I'm not rolling my eyes at that. I believe that's true. But I, so yeah, definitely, definitely. And also, if you don't, what will hurt you more than anything, and this transcends gender, if you don't have sustained career success,
Starting point is 00:43:56 that's really the be-all, end-all. If you are not a person that people would like to see or your movies or TV shows make money or profit, if that will hurt you more than anything. And so I am never a person who generated a lot of, like, oh, she's in this movie, let's go see it, or she's in that show. So you combine that with being vocal before it was okay to be vocal about such things and taking two years off. But back in the day.
Starting point is 00:44:22 If you're a marquee name, then they'll have to hire you. Right, right. They don't like you. If you generate, yeah, exactly. I'm sure there's plenty of people that studios would like to not work with.
Starting point is 00:44:31 Right. And until such time as they don't make money for them. So if you had it to do over again, would you have been less political? No. No. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:44:39 Because it's, you know, just, we're all citizens. One must react to things that happen in the way that feels right for them. And when I would go on these shows or whatever and say, tell that actor to shut up. I'm not an actor, really. I'm a citizen like you.
Starting point is 00:44:57 Nobody would ever say, tell that plumber to shut up. Tell that waiter to shut up. But for some reason, people feel it's okay to, you know, to shut up and sing or shut up and just whatever. Well, I will push back on that in one sense because I feel it, which is that when I see someone on TV, and I know the reason they're on TV is because they're well-known for something
Starting point is 00:45:16 that has nothing to do with what they're talking about. That's more about the news programs, though. That's what I said, like Bill O'Reilly, what I was saying earlier. I will say, tell that actor to shut up. But if it was a plumber, I'd say, well, that plumber must have had something really that somebody thought was a unique insight. And that's why they brought the plumber on. The actor is because they're famous.
Starting point is 00:45:32 Well, for the mainstream media, that's their problem for booking it. And I remember when I was on Fox and Friends, which was a terrible idea. Don't do it. And they were picking on me. And Brian Kilmeade said, why should we listen to you? And all I could say was, why did you book me? You shouldn't listen to me if you want to or not. You booked me. You asked me to come on the show. I wish I hadn't, but I did. Now, he could have easily invited people, like I said, from the Pentagon or authors or figures who were against
Starting point is 00:46:03 the war that people wouldn't say shut up to. They didn't. For a reason. It's not easy to pick on them. It's very easy to get you, the viewer, to be mad at me. It's very easy to have people rally in the sport of picking on the singer or the actor
Starting point is 00:46:20 or the comic. It's not easy if you're like, oh, that guy who's worked in the Pentagon, that guy who actually was the inspector in Iraq who said there's no weapon, Scott Ritter. Scott Ritter. Yeah. Why doesn't Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity have him on? Why doesn't Brian Kilmeade yell at him?
Starting point is 00:46:38 And they tried to smear Scott Ritter. I remember this because he had some deal with something in Iraq. They smeared him with a setup of a young girl who was under 18 to meet him at a McDonald's. It was a classic thing. They tried to do it to Nader, and it's a tale as old as time. And Breitbart used to do it all the time to people. You have somebody get in touch with them in social media who's a female and is somewhat flirtatious.
Starting point is 00:47:04 It's just one of those old setups, and unfortunately, males more than females fall for it all the time, because people are people, and human nature is what it is, and ego is ego. It is flattering to be flirted with by an attractive person. Scott Reader was this weapons inspector who, after the first Gulf
Starting point is 00:47:19 War, had been up Saddam Hussein's butt. He was really a militant anti-weapons guy. Well, he's the guy hired to do so. He was very, very tough. And then in the run up to the second Gulf War, Scott was like, I don't think there's any weapons. He's the guy that would know.
Starting point is 00:47:39 He was the one that made sure. Now, the reason we went in is because we knew there was no weapons. You don't go into a place if you think there's going to be bio-warfare that doesn't look good for your cause. You only do it if you know that they thought it was going to be easy,
Starting point is 00:47:56 which that was a miscalculation on the... And actually, they don't care if it wasn't easy. But... I have a feeling no one might be in disagreement with you. Well, no, I'm't want to get into that. But what was interesting about Scott Ritter is that when he was saying there were no weapons, rather than saying, well, this guy's always been pretty reliable in the past, maybe we should double-check our math here,
Starting point is 00:48:15 they tried to just assume that he had been corrupted, that he was doing it for money. They tried to smear his character rather than deal with what he was saying. And I just— Well,, it was a lesson learned. Well, they held him up as the guy, the greatest. That's right. The first time after George Bush Sr. Like, we did it. We got rid of it.
Starting point is 00:48:33 You know what I mean? He was always used as the go-to guy for, this is proof that they're not there. Then he was held up and reviled because he was saying they're not there. It's a classic case of confirmation bias. When he didn't say what it is they wanted the outcome to be, they weren't interested in what he said. Only if he said what they already wanted to be true would they listen to him. And his life fell apart.
Starting point is 00:48:51 And I learned a lesson from that, you know. Yeah. I think we all did. And if we didn't, we just did again. This is a little off topic, but have you seen the new history series on Netflix that goes through each era? You should really check it. It's really amazing.
Starting point is 00:49:07 I'll get the name for you. But it's very succinct. It sums up, like, I mean, it makes us look terrible, but that's beside the point. But it's a very interesting series. Well, people can be terrible. That's history.
Starting point is 00:49:21 Yes. I did want to know, by the way, there's a question I had that has nothing to do with politics. Yes, let's not talk about it. the way, there's a question I had that has nothing to do with politics. Yes, let's not talk about it. I'm sure there's a fatigue that the listeners are like, let's not talk about this. No, I'm loving politics.
Starting point is 00:49:30 If you actually start performing here, as you've threatened to do, and we actually talk politics, you will not find me nearly as reasonable as I seem to be on the radio. Oh, no, no, I'm certain. But also, you know, people think I talk about politics a lot in my stand-up.
Starting point is 00:49:45 I don't, actually. No, no, I mean when you're hanging out up here. Oh, no, no, I'm certain. But also, you know, people think I talk about politics a lot in my stand-up. I don't, actually. No, no, I mean when you're hanging out up here. Oh, okay. I actually have so much social anxiety, I rarely hang out anywhere anymore now that I can't drink. Well, you'll be surrounded by other people with terrible social anxiety. I tend to always leave a place immediately. We're going to shake you with that. The question I had is when people do come up to you, as they must, what do they most like to talk about with you?
Starting point is 00:50:07 Well, recently it's been Wet Hot American Summer, the Netflix series, which we just finished filming season two. So for some people it's Wet Hot American Summer on Netflix. I guess a lot of younger LGBT kids kids Romy and Michelle oddly it's had the second life with younger that was
Starting point is 00:50:32 Marissa Savino Marissa Savino and Lisa Kudrow go to a high school reunion and Janine plays like the chick the kind of the chick from school
Starting point is 00:50:41 that was like the chick Heather Mooney yeah like those marks that I can't the brooding the brooding I know and like the chick. Heather Mooney. Yeah, like those parts that I can't. The brooding, the brooding. I know, and it's always, I hate to do it
Starting point is 00:50:49 because it's actually not me. Most of the characters I've been asked to play, I really, I feel that I'm very polite and very chatty and I'm not a person who would ever tell somebody to fuck up.
Starting point is 00:51:01 There's a famous scene in Romy and Michelle where one of them's trying to pretend that she's somebody. You know, you go to high school, you want to be important. So she said she invented post-its. And then Janine comes over and it's like, no, he didn't invent post-its.
Starting point is 00:51:13 So-and-so from 3M invented post-its. Art Fry. It was Art Fry that invented post-its. So informative and also a funny exchange. Right, I didn't know that either until I read the script. That Art Fry of 3M Corp invented post-its. I didn't know that. Yes, so she was, you know, that Art Fry of 3M Corp invented Post-Its. I didn't know that. Yes.
Starting point is 00:51:25 So she was, you know, that was Lisa Kudrow that was bragging? Lisa Kudrow, and it was Justin Theroux's first film. He was 25. He played the cowboy guy who threw cigarettes at me. And it was Cameron Manheim's first film, I think. I think before Amy Schumer, like, you were the most movie-working comedian. Oh, I don't think that. Female comedian.
Starting point is 00:51:45 I don't think so. What other female stand-ups did as many movies? I don't think so. Or Trent, you know what I mean? That can't be true. In the 90s,
Starting point is 00:51:55 maybe it seemed like it, but I don't think so. And Wet Hot American Summer is really great also. Thank you. It's really great. And Netflix is the place to be now,
Starting point is 00:52:04 so you know, you're... No, no, I'm very pleased that Netflix place to be now. So, you know, you're. No, no, I'm very pleased that Netflix picked up. She's back, baby. She's back. I just read an article. Was it Sean McCarthy? Somebody wrote the top 10 stand-up specials of the year.
Starting point is 00:52:15 And you have a stand-up special? Oh, yeah, on CISO. What is that? CISO is a network. I don't know how you get it. I don't have it. Is it streaming? Is it streaming, I guess?
Starting point is 00:52:24 I don't know. But anyway, he I don't have it. Is it streaming? Is it streaming, I guess? I don't know. But anyway, he said it was fantastic. Oh, thank you. And then I actually, now I understand why. So I went last night to try to prepare for the interview to find it, and I couldn't find it on Netflix and couldn't find it on Amazon. No, it wasn't on Netflix. I was supposed to do a special for Netflix,
Starting point is 00:52:38 and then apparently a new person who made those decisions felt I was not funny and dropped me from the lineup of that. Which definitely hurt my feelings. But then CISO was nice enough to say, well, we'll do it. So that was nice. This is Lamor Azran Garfenko. Oh my god, you're the second Lamor
Starting point is 00:52:58 I've met. Well, no, because we're running short of time. Are you Israeli? Yes, I am. Lamor Savan. What's you Israeli? I know Janine wants to sit here and listen to Limor. Are you Israeli? Yes, I am. Yes, so is she. Limor Savant. Oh, okay. What's her name? Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:53:08 I love that name. Before we move on to Limor Savant, and we're only going to be on five more minutes, but thank you so much for coming on this show. Thanks for having me. I'm sorry I've monopolized the conversation. I've talked too much. No, no.
Starting point is 00:53:18 I was sure. You're the guest. Noam said to me, we need somebody else. I don't have enough shit to ask Janine. I was sure you hated us. I was sure. Why? Because I saw you shit to ask Janine. I was sure you hated us. Why? Because I saw you working at Eastville and I was like,
Starting point is 00:53:28 this she must, something must, my father must have yelled at her. Nobody has asked me to perform here and I didn't want to come over and say, can I work? I figured if somebody wanted me to do sets here, they would get in touch with me. The word on the street was
Starting point is 00:53:43 that you didn't want to perform here. That was not the word. That was a word in your head. That's. The word on the street was that you didn't want to perform. I don't think that was, that was not the word. That was a word in your head. That's an incorrect word on the street. Well, anyway, let's get it off the street.
Starting point is 00:53:51 I would be happy to join the schedule. Oh my God, fantastic. It's kind of like, but if I start bombing, I'm so sorry in advance if it's, if it's,
Starting point is 00:53:59 you're not going to bomb. You're not going to bomb. We don't know. Well, we'll see. It's hit or miss with Garofalo. I'm optimistic. We also have a. Well, we'll see. It's hit or miss with Garofalo. I'm optimistic. We also have a new menu, so you will be. Is the cafe au lait still the same?
Starting point is 00:54:11 Cafe au lait is still the same? We'll have to find out. I remember from the 90s, it was as good as Taza de Oro, that late Taza de Oro that used to be on the menu. That's a cup of gold, I believe, in Spanish. I believe it is. But two of them were the two best cafe au leches I've ever had in my life. Can you confirm that?
Starting point is 00:54:26 Clearly it's not going to be as good as yours. It is golden teacup, actually. A taza is for tea. She majored in Spanish literature. Well, she is, according to her, a fluent Spanish speaker. I took it for seven years and can barely speak it, I'm sorry to say. You have to live there. That's the only one.
Starting point is 00:54:41 She married a Mexican. Is he Mexican? Puerto Rican. Puerto Rican, sorry. So did you. I did too. What's the only one. She married a Mexican? Is he Mexican? Puerto Rican. Puerto Rican, sorry. So did you. I did too. What are the odds? Oh, I know, because his name is Gonzalez, so I always think of Speedy Gonzalez, I think of Mexican. Lamar, if I could just...
Starting point is 00:54:53 I'm just saying, that's what my... It's okay, he's married to a Puerto Rican. Isn't Gonzalez usually a Mexican name? I think it is. I guess not, because he's Puerto Rican. I said usually. What's your wife's last name? She's actually half Indian so her last name is B. Harry but her mother's name is Colazo.
Starting point is 00:55:12 I just promised Lamor. Oh, I'm sorry. She looks Indian but she's like Puerto Rican. Lamor Azran Garfengal. Oh, thank you. Because I want you to see this And maybe you'll be on it What is it?
Starting point is 00:55:26 Ay yi yi Oh thank you Because I can get something from you She's got Tracy Morgan in there No Lamor is doing Lamor is a comedy lover Now she's
Starting point is 00:55:34 She is the She's also a music lover by the way But go ahead Alright I didn't know that She's a comedy She's a real muso She's a comedy lover She used to come see me
Starting point is 00:55:41 When I was a musician And she's doing a Book of Comedian pictures Okay I participated in this book I played like a 40s era She used to come see me when I was a musician. And she's doing a book of comedian pictures. I participated in this book. I played like a 40s era Louis B. Mayer type guy. That's perfect. Which I think is perfect for me.
Starting point is 00:55:54 I always fancy myself a... A producer. Yeah, a big producer of motion pictures. So the idea is to do a gallery opening that's going to be a charity event. We still have this whole year to shoot. The event will be at the end of the year. That's the plan right now. Okay.
Starting point is 00:56:09 But recently I just shot Tracy Morgan and Jim Gaffigan. How did you get access to these people, Limor? What kind of feminine wiles did you unfurl? Well, you know what? I started out with the nicest guys here. First of all, it started out with you saying it's okay to approach the comedians. So I approached. That doesn't sound like the gnome gormon I know.
Starting point is 00:56:30 Well, you said you're not going to. You don't know the gnome that answers to pretty girls. I would say that 90% of comedians would be thrilled to have a beautiful woman approach them. Everybody was just super nice because I'm doing this for charity. So they were so nice to give their time. And then when, you know. Charity is a racket. Do you know that? Go ahead. Okay. Everybody was just super nice because I'm doing this for charity, so they were so nice to give their time. Charity is a racket. Do you know that?
Starting point is 00:56:48 But go ahead. Okay. Across the board, that's a sweeping narrative. But I hear it every day. We want to do this. It's for charity. Lamar, I believe you. Thank you very much.
Starting point is 00:56:58 You should know better. You know me for many years. Well, I'll tell you what. This is a picture of Tracy Morgan in front of, I guess, a Lamborghini. Yeah, we went to the street where he grew up in the Bronx, and I shot him, but, you know, after all these years, he comes back and he's, you know. And then we did another shot of him. This is Jim Gaffigan, but I will go back to that.
Starting point is 00:57:18 We did another shot of Tracy at the playground where he grew up playing. Here's Tracy in a swing on a swing just having the best time ever what I propose you're a very kid at heart
Starting point is 00:57:29 can I just say something I know this is crazy but just for Janine what I mean is that a lot of what is the charitable giving is a fortunate byproduct of a lot of what is done
Starting point is 00:57:41 for reasons which are not charitable it's for to advancement whatever it is but they'll do it for charity, and the charity does benefit from it, and that's great. But I get approached all the time by people who want to rope me into doing something, and they tell me, it's for charity, and they make me feel stupid for not wanting to do it, as if I'm some sort of Ebenezer Scrooge.
Starting point is 00:57:59 So my charity is for- But that's why I say it's a racket, not because I'm against charity. My charity is for children who suffer from anxiety and mental illness. And I think that that's a really... That sounds right up our alley. Well, I'm not a perfect comedian. I take it back. That's why I approach comedians.
Starting point is 00:58:15 You guys, I mean, comedians know what it's like to be anxious. You know what it's like to have, you know, depression. I think most humans know what it's like to be anxious and depressed. Exactly. And it's kind of close to my heart because I suffer from anxiety. I mean, everything that I do, I analyze 100,000 times, and I know what it's like to be anxious. So I want to give to kids.
Starting point is 00:58:34 That's why it's close to my heart. It's not, you know, I could have done this. Lamar, you don't have to sell me on it. Gnome is just an awful, horrible, terrible scourge. I'm sorry you had to sit across from me. I mean, seriously, you know, you behave like you don't even know me. I know her. What I propose, Lamore, is...
Starting point is 00:58:51 I've known his father, okay? And boy, are you in trouble now. We go way back. We go way back. Lamore, what I propose is you give Janine a card, and if she's interested, she calls you. I don't want to put her in a position where she feels obligated. I think you already did.
Starting point is 00:59:04 Here's my number. Murray Hill 7. And Jim Gaffigan. That's Jim Gaffigan's shot. But we just have to say, aside from the project and the charity and all that, these photos are really amazing photos. Nice job. Really amazing photos.
Starting point is 00:59:21 She's quite a good photographer. Thank you, Noah. That I have to admit. I have no doubt. I have no doubt. Thank you. And a hot chick. Like I, Noah. That I have to admit. I have no doubt. I have no doubt. Thank you. And a hot chick. You can pass it around.
Starting point is 00:59:28 Like I said, you don't have to sell me on it. No, just say it. You had me at... We went to McSorley's. You know, with Jim Gaffigan, we went to McSorley's, which is a 160-year-old pub. And with him, we did him both as the bartender and as the coal miner. Right. He's one of the world's nicest guys.
Starting point is 00:59:44 He is very nice. But Jim doesn't work here either, and I think that is a personal thing, because I think you used to not use him back in the day. He's done the underground a few times. Wait, but can you answer... Who stunsets here? Jim Capcom stunsets.
Starting point is 00:59:57 Can you answer just Noam's question? You started to answer about how you got access to these... How I got access to the medium. Yeah, to the more celebrity... I've been friends with a lot of these guys for many many years I mean you know I've been friends with you know back in it all started really with Artie Artie Foucault who's a very old
Starting point is 01:00:15 he's a very old friend of mine and after he woke up from his coma I called him and I said I want to do your portrait that's how the idea really started just me wanting to shoot Artie and then when I called him and I said, I want to do your portrait. That's how the idea really started. Just me wanting to shoot Artie. And then when I shot him, I realized, you know what? I can do something with this.
Starting point is 01:00:30 I can do something good. And that's how it all started. So he was really the first guy. Just because he woke up from a coma, that was the idea. And then it evolved. And as more people did it, then other people became interested. You should do a series of people who have just woken from COVID that now
Starting point is 01:00:47 there's a book a coffee table book I've been friends with Marina and Greer Barnes we have to wrap it up but is there a website
Starting point is 01:00:56 or start there's no website what can you how can people follow up on this not yet nobody's following anything yet
Starting point is 01:01:03 the reason I'm here is because I want more comedians to know about this because I want, when I approach, they're like, oh, okay, yeah, sure, I'll do it. I know about it. What will the website be called? I don't know yet. We're not at that stage. Dot com.
Starting point is 01:01:15 Yeah. I don't know. Dot com. I don't know. But you mentioned there's going to be an event and you're going to kind of release the book and stuff. Yes, yes. At the Comedy Cellar, presumably.
Starting point is 01:01:24 If it's for charity, I'm there. Oh, yeah. But he's going to be chagrined on the inside. I have an organization that I'm in talks with right now, and we're probably going to do a pretty big event. So, yeah. Limor, we have to wrap it up. Nice to meet you.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Nice to meet you. These really are beautiful photographs. Thank you, Ryan. She is a talented photographer and a beautiful woman and a wonderful mother. Thank you. Thank you, Noah. Janine, I hope this is the beginning of a relationship. I live right near here.
Starting point is 01:01:57 I know that. I'm just right across the park. Okay. Does Janine qualify for 100% off on food? Absolutely. Okay. Oh, I don't like to eat in front of people. Janine, Hollywood told Janine she wasn't pretty for years, and she bought it.
Starting point is 01:02:12 She always played the friend that wasn't quite the beautiful one, like with Uma Thurman in The Truth About Cats and Dogs. Yeah, but lots of people feel that way. In any case. About themselves. In any case, Janine was and is. About themselves. It wasn't true. It was and is a beautiful woman. It isn't true.
Starting point is 01:02:28 It wasn't true. It is now, but it wasn't. No, it isn't true. I always thought you were hot. Anyway. Thanks, Noam. I did. I really did.
Starting point is 01:02:35 I never thought she was cast as being the not beautiful one. Well, like with Hit or Miss on stand-up for me, it's case by case. It's an acquired taste. I saw you once in the Gary Shandling show. When I have to. There was something with you and Colin Quinn was your boyfriend or something?
Starting point is 01:02:49 And you were playing an attractive... Well, I was playing the person who was dating Colin Quinn, who was playing Rip Torn's son. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:58 All right. Beryl Natterman says hi. Oh, hello. Beryl. There's so few Beryls. Does that name ring a bell? Yes, it does. Do you like the name Jonesy?
Starting point is 01:03:06 From camp. From camp, yeah. She was the first barrel I met, and then I read a book about a famous barrel. Barrel, somebody who, like, I think flew, like, with Amelia Earhart or something. Oh, Barrel Markham, I think it is. It might be, yeah. I think Barrel Markham. But she was the first barrel.
Starting point is 01:03:17 Was a black woman pilot or something. Yeah, I believe so. But your sister was the first barrel. Yes. And I remember her with short brown hair. And was she in my cabin? That I don't know. I didn't come up to visit.
Starting point is 01:03:29 Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you, Jeannie Garofalo. Thank you. Good night, everybody. Good night. Good night.

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