The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Jay Jurden

Episode Date: June 30, 2023

Dan Naturman and Periel Aschenbrand sit down with comedian, writer and actor, Jay Jurden. Jurden was named one of Variety's 10 Comics to Watch in 2022, has appeared on The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, The Late Show with Stephen Colbert and is a Staff Writer for Apple TV+'s The Problem With Jon Stewart.

This is Live from the Table, the official podcast of the world-famous comedy cellar, coming at you on Sirius XM 99 Raw Dog, and available as a podcast. Dan Natterman here, along with Periel Ashenbrand. How are you, Periel? I'm doing very well, thank you, Dan. How are you? I'm all right. Comedy Club owner, proprietor, Noam Dorman is not here. I think he's in Italy, something like that. He's on vacation, I believe he's...

Incorrect. No, where is he? It's his wedding anniversary. Oh, okay, it's his wedding anniversary. But I think he's... Incorrect. No, where is he? It's his wedding anniversary. Oh, okay. It's his wedding. But I think he's going to Italy. He is going to Italy. All right, but he's not in Italy.

In any case, it's his wedding anniversary. And so he is not here, but we're here. So regular listeners will know that that probably means a conversation more centered on comedy than on, for example, the latest Supreme Court ruling or some arcane point of law. So it is, as Nicole described, this podcast is sort of a pendulum that swings back and forth between those two worlds. But in any case, we have Jay Jordan coming a little bit later to join us. I taped my special, which has yet been named.

We haven't, regular listeners will know that we're trying to decide a name for my special, but Perry also thought a little bit Bananas was a good name, which I didn't rule out. I thought of some other names, like, what else did I think of? Obsaggerations, like observations and exaggerations was one of the things I had thought about.

I had some other ideas. Nothing that I'm in love with so far. I'm not sure when exactly I have to come up with a name for it, but I guess I will at some point. Anyway, I taped that last week. Okay, I would like to hear about that. I would also like to clarify that I said that I thought A Little Bit Bananas was a brilliant title.

Okay, you thought it was brilliant. Brilliant is a word that I generally reserve for things like, you know, Isaac Newton. I mean, you know, maybe that's too high a standard for brilliant, but certainly that your name wouldn't qualify as brilliant, but I did think it was a fine name. I have no problem with it.

I think it was pretty good. You said you had a good idea. Isaac Newton was brilliant. That was what you said. Okay, well, I reiterate that. But look, maybe, again, Isaac Newton might be too high a standard for brilliance, so perhaps...

Insofar as titles go, it's a great title. Can you acknowledge that? Or what makes a great title? I think Gone with the Wind is a great title. It you acknowledge that? Or what makes a great title? I think Gone with the Wind is a great title. It also happens to be my favorite novel, but I think it's a great title. I didn't know that. That's your favorite novel? It so happens it is.

Yes, it's very politically incorrect to say so in this day and age because it does sort of soft-pedal slavery, and that's true, it does. It is not without its flaws, but it is, despite that, my favorite novel because it really puts you in that time period. You almost feel as though you've been hanging out in the 1860s for several weeks. I mean, it's a long book, so it took a while to read, but I actually read it twice. Really? Yeah, ten years apart after I forgot it. You've got to give a book a few years to forget it, and then you can reread it, and then it can have a similar impact to the first time you read it twice. Really? Yeah, ten years apart, after I forgot it. You've got to give a book a few years to forget it, and then you can reread it, and then it can have a similar impact

to the first time you read it. I don't know that I've read Gone with the Wind. Well, you, first of all, then you haven't, because it's not a book, I mean, it would take a lot of time, like, you'd remember reading it, it's 1,200 pages, it's not something I don't think that you can forget. Yeah, no, okay, fair

enough. It's not something that, like, you read in high school. No, it's not something you read over the weekend that you might have forgotten, no, okay, fair enough. It's not something that you read in high school. No, it's not something you read over the weekend that you might have forgotten. I mean, this book would take you, you know, you better clear out the calendar for a while. For how long? How long did it take you? I don't know. Probably a month, but it depends how many hours a day you're going to read. Is it dense?

I mean, I guess you could read it in a week if you really cranked it all day. I mean, it sounds kind of brutal, to be honest. No, I enjoyed every line, every page. There was not a page that I was, you know, was not interested in it. But I'm interested in that period of time in history, so that's like you're halfway there already. Somebody suggested to me War and Peace,

and I was like, yeah, but I don't really care about Russia and the Napoleonic Wars or whatever it is. So it's like, even if it's brilliant, you're probably not going to, because I just right away don't really care about that. But there are things that you, I mean, like, I read Moby Dick and really was surprised at how much I liked it,

because I didn't really think I cared about any of those things. Okay, well, that's fair. But just generally, if I'm not, I did read Moby Dick as well, and I liked it, I didn't love it. But generally, if the topic is interesting to me, I'm halfway there. Right.

And if the topic is uninteresting, then it's not likely to win me over. But I suppose it can happen. I read Moby Dick to impress a boy. Well, you could have read The Cliff Notes. No, I think there was something about walking around with the book. I don't know that any boy is impressed by a literate woman.

Especially at whatever... What age were you? I was in my 20s. He's probably just looking at your tits. Unfortunately. He was a Melville scholar. Yeah, but Melville scholars still look at tits. Yeah, well, fair enough.

I was pretty hot. My guess is that wasn't going to move the needle one way or the other. But, you know, maybe I'm wrong, but that would be my guess. Okay, let's talk about the special. How was it? It was, you know, you want the truth? It was good, not great.

The audience, but they can sweeten it in the editing room, but the audience wasn't an explosive like we have here at the Comedy Cellar most nights. It was good. How long did you do?

I did about 45. I'm not sure that I trust your tape. No, everybody in the audience said this was great because my standards are a comedy seller at like the best night of the week level explosion. And for a special, you want that. Yeah. It does affect your rhythm. You end up doing more jokes because more laughter is less jokes. Less laughter is more jokes.

It's just the time it takes to laugh. So there's probably about, over a period of 45 minutes, there's probably, like, if it was, like, an explosive audience, I probably would have done, that same amount of jokes would have probably taken five to ten minutes longer. Okay. Which they could probably also do in post-production. They could probably also expand that and put in laughs and do that. But, yeah, so that's what it was.

And how did you feel? The jokes were, the jokes are my jokes. So they're, and, but you know, when the more the laughter, the more they're laughing, the more it just, you can't help it. You're going to feel better. It's going to come off better. There's just no way around that. I guess you can fake it, but I can't fake it. So, you know, it would have been better had it been just an explosive crowd from beginning to end. It wasn't. Were this a special I was producing myself, I'd say, well, maybe let's... I would have done two shows, you know, but they didn't.

So, you know, that's what it was. You know, those are my jokes. So, you know, I think they're good jokes. And I guess Josh Jordan is here. I just heard the bell ring. So, you know, we'll see what they do with it. They're going to try to sell it to streaming. I don't the bell ring. We'll see what they do with it. They're going to try to sell it to streaming. I don't know. Whatever they're going to try to do with it.

I'm excited to see it. I'm very proud of you. I hope you're proud of yourself. It's fine. It's fine. Look, I've been doing this a long time. Things that to you are impressive just are not. But you haven't taped a special. I did a Comedy Central special years ago. Where? I want to see it. Years ago you could not.

I don't even know if it even exists anymore. I mean, this was like so long ago that it was like before streaming and shit like that. So I don't know if you can find it anywhere. Okay. It's called Comedy Central Presents and it may well be just you cannot find. It was a half hour.

Comedy Central was giving out a string of half hours at that time. What is that called? Comedy Central Presents. Oh, so yours didn hours at that time. What is that called? Comedy Central Presents. Oh, so yours didn't have a title. No, no. They just did a whole season or two or three seasons worth of these. I mean, I don't know how many people did it. I've seen some of them.

I have. I think like. Hello, Jay Jordan. Jay Jordan is with us. How do you do, Jay? Are you making your debut with us? Yes. Or have you, this is his debut.

We call this, this is live from the table. You just have a seat. It's all you. Hi. How do you do, Jay? Are you making your debut with us? Yes. Or have you, this is his debut on, we call this, this is live from the table. You just have a seat. It's all you. Hi. How do you do, Jay? I'm doing really well. Fine, thanks. I mean, good to hear. It's very warm today. It's warm in here and it's warm outside. No, outside. Yeah. Snuck up on me. So, we

were just talking about, I just taped this, this company's doing these specials that they're doing when they're going to try to sell it to streaming or whatever. So I just taped it last week. How'd it go? As I was telling Pearl, it went fine, but it wasn't like, you know, you know what the Village Underground when it's like every joke's an explosion, a nuclear detonation. It wasn't that. We're spoiled.

I mean, VU downstairs, truly, you can go, oh my god, shut up. That was a setup. Stop it. Yeah, sometimes it can fuck up your rhythm. And because they're so hot, sometimes you'd be like, the grease is too hot. I need a little bit of silence so that you enjoy the big pops. But I

love coming back, particularly from a casino gig where sometimes audiences are a bit slower to respond to material that gears are kind of turning they're drunk they're there to smoke inside they're there to gamble so going from a show with like a kind of okay response back to the vu oh it feels so good it feels so affirming as a comic. You're like, oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, you know, I'm at the point where I don't let sets that are not phenomenal change how I feel about my act. Yeah, but it feels good, right?

Yeah, I would say this. For a special, I want it to be explosive. Yes. As far as how it makes me feel, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm at the point now where I just know my jokes are with, you know, I mean,

sometimes an audience is too effusive or too, you know, explosive. And I'm like, well, but any, you know, I don't know that this really says anything. Ooh, that is a good counterbalance. Because, you know, maybe anybody could get these kinds of things. Yeah.

But for a special, of course, I want that. But for my own internal... Well, you're not great at taking compliments. Oh, no, never happened. Never happened. And, Edmund, you're very funny.

Let's see if you can take this one. Yeah. There you go. Thank you, Jay. Ish, though. It's not. Okay, can we give Jay

a proper introduction? Jay, well, you can do it because you didn't say... Jay is a regular here at the Comedy Cellar. Which, by the way, just hearing you say that or anyone say that still feels so surreal and fun. And I love that. Okay, well, I envy you your enthusiasm.

Yeah, I guess I'm a little jaded. A little? Maybe more than a little. But also happy Pride Month. Thank you. Happy Pride Month. And, you know, you are Well, we all celebrate Pride

Two more days where you're allowed to be gay Then we send you back We send you back into the closet You're always welcome here I recently got married Okay, alright, yeah To a dude Oh, okay, Yeah, all right.

I saw some people stop clapping. Listen, I love homophobia. It keeps me on my toes. Now, I know there are some old-fashioned people here, some people here who believe marriage is strictly between a man, a woman, and eventually a much younger woman. A much younger woman who happened to get this executive assistant position with no experience. All I'm saying is I don't think Tasha knows Excel.

It wasn't always the case that people were so, you know, able to be who they are. Yeah, very true. I have a, I like to do these bios. Okay, go ahead. Jay Jordan originally is a comedian, writer, and actor, originally from Mississippi. True. Regularly performs comedy all over the country, and he's currently a staff writer for Apple TV's The Problem with Jon Stewart.

Yes. Oh, I didn't know that. On Skype. What's The Problem with Jon Stewart. Yes. Oh, I didn't know that. On Skype. What's The Problem with Jon? What's that about? Oh, so current topics. I mean, it's sort of a continuation of the work that Jon did in all of his previous works, but he gets to even be more specific.

He gets to go laser focused on a specific issue for one episode. Sometimes with a daily show, there'd be so much shit that he had to cover Monday through Thursday that if you really wanted to hone in on something, he would be like, oh, I have to have like an episode just for this. So when he had the 9-11 first responders bill, when he had them on the episode for The Daily Show and he was really able to talk about how would he make sure that the people who care for us and who provide us with all these services make sure that the government is coming through with their promise to make sure

they're provided with services, especially when people got tons of different diseases, particularly cancer from 9-11 smoke inhalation. And so he was like, oh, that's kind of what I want to do with this next show. So it's very topic-based. So each episode is just one topic. A problem. A problem.

A problem. What about the problem? I wasn't finished with the bio, but that's good. Come on, enough with the bio. I want to know what else is in there. She likes super long bios. I mean, if it makes you happy, fine, but an intro should be short and sweet. Jay has performed on The Tonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon twice

and has also been seen on The Late Late Show with James Corden, Comedy Central featuring The Late Show with Stephen Colbert and HBO's High Maintenance. Yeah, I was a slut on High Maintenance. I was a whore, Dan. Speaking of cancer-causing particulates, I'm wondering about that Canadian ash cloud. I know those motherfuckers

got the nerve to come here. Every night I see Canadians in the audience showing up like nothing happened. We won't know. And now, Chicago has terrible air today. Not because of the Canadians. I don't know why, but there's a huge air quality problem in the Midwest, particularly

Chicago and I think some parts of Ohio right now. Oh, that's not, but that's not to do with... I don't know. I mean, maybe. I read that the city was supposed to be really bad today, but it seems okay. I know that generally you don't like it when I start trying to take the controls here, but I do think... As a general matter. As a general rule. I do think, though, that we have Jay, who has, in my opinion, a particularly brilliant and linguistically

inclined mind, and it might be interesting to discuss titles with him a little bit. You might want to take advantage. Well, we can discuss it. This is a topic that's sort of well worn, but I suppose... But we have no resolution. So I taped this special, as I had mentioned,

and so I don't have a name for it yet. So without telling you, without prejudicing you by telling you who came up with what, some of the names we're considering are a little bit bananas, which is a reference to my banana joke and also a reference to me being a little bit bananas. All right. Another possibility I thought of,

I mean, somebody thought of, was... Come on! Very bad poker player. No, that really was a slip. I didn't mean to do that. Exaggerations, like observations and exaggerations. Wait, let me, I have, I think, no, I don't have, I deleted it because I delete shit. Sort of an OCD thing where I delete everything, so I don't have it on my phone, the titles.

Yeah. The one with the asterisk yeah that but that I did one was like I forgot it was like when I used the asterisk like I said

you know a little bit runny a little bit runny asterisk funny oh you remembered it like as a reference to people correcting their text messages

but Dan won't be there to explain the title nobody got it when I said it so Oh, but Dan won't be there to explain the title. Nobody got it when I said it, so I assume nobody will get it if that's the name of the... Well, visually, they would see it, so it wouldn't have to be explained.

So that would work way more efficiently visually. I'm inclined to the observation as exaggeration combination. That's how you are. Okay, well, Perrielle, of course, likes her suggestion, a little bit bananas,

which I don't think is bad at all. I like a little bit bananas, but I love the banana joke so much that it could be, that joke could, then would you name it gym teacher?

You know what I mean? Like, I know, I love that joke so much. Well, but because a little bit bananas doesn't necessarily have to reference that. It's just sort of a general notion. I think it's a bonus that it references.

It's a bonus that it, you know, and again, I give Perrielle full credit. I don't think it's bad at all. I'm not in the market for credit here. I'm really not. You're going to get it whether you like it or not. I think a little, for me, observation, what, say that, observation. Exaggeration. Exaggerations. Exaggerations. That say that, observation. Obsaggerations. Obsaggerations.

That's fun to say. Obsaggerations. You can't even say it. It doesn't matter. Obsaggerations. Obsaggerations. I say, let me get one more. He says it well enough

and if everybody stumbles over it, it could be a thing, you know. Obsaggerations, then a little bit bananas. Interesting. Okay. Those are, that's one A andB, in my opinion.

I take back what I said about how smart Jay is. I am actually all on board with Jay's brilliance. And now Dan's like, read more of the bio. At a Mississippi, you don't see it coming because Mississippi has that reputation.

I mean, you may be the only person I know personally from Mississippi. Yeah, a lot of people do. I don't think I know a damn soul from Mississippi. Well, a lot of Mississippians, particularly a lot of Southerners now, if they move to a larger metro area, they'll move to Atlanta or they'll move to Houston or Dallas or New Orleans. So because the South has so many hubs where you can kind of just lily pad there if you want to go to the big city. New York is way too big of a big city and way too far for a

lot of Southerners to think, oh, I'm still I want to completely uproot my existence. So usually people go to Atlanta or they go to Houston, Dallas or New Orleans. You must have known pretty early in your life that you wanted to leave Mississippi. Like that's a plan you start putting in place. No, it's Imperial. And then you guys are going to laugh. New York was on the bottom of my list of places I thought I was going to end up. The soft list when I got done with school was Los Angeles, Atlanta, space, Chicago, New York. And then I ended up coming to New York twice and I liked parts of it, but I still wasn't

sold because I was seeing like I was staying with a friend in like this tiny railroad apartment in Hell's Kitchen when I did my like showcase. And so after I did that, I had like a theatrical agent reach out. And it was truly just sort of like me saying, well, Jay, if you go to New York and you don't like it, you can always leave and nothing will happen. You can always go back to Mississippi, stay a couple months, save some money, move to Atlanta. Like it won't be the biggest deal in the world. So I just moved up here two days after my mom's birthday in 2015. Well, I mean, as a comic, the obvious choices are New York or L.A. Although, I mean, you know, there's a school of thought that says, well, start in a smaller market and...

Yeah, great. And then, you know, come to New York at some point when you can make a good first impression because you're experienced. I never did that, but that's a school of thought. Another school of thought as well, New York and LA have just more places to get on stage. And you'll be competing with, you know, arguably the best, I don't know. And so, you know, I don't want to sound arrogant, but people, this is what people, this is the school of thought. Come to the place where the best people are and put yourself in that mix.

So those are the two schools of thought. I don't know which school of thought, you know, you come down on or one way or the other. Maybe you haven't thought of it. I'm definitely in the school of thought that iron sharpens iron. And I think that the amount of reps you get in New York, when I first moved here, you move here and you, this is 2015, so you open up free mics. And in 2015, 2016, 2017, there were so many chances to get up. And I mean,

truly in the most kind of like traditional way, like go to a mic, do well at a mic, go back to the mic, do well at the mic, do that for a while. A mic being an open mic. A mic being an open mic. We used to call it back in the Stone Age. Yeah, an open mic. Then get on a produced bar show. Do well on the bar show. Do that a couple times.

Maybe do a produced show at a club. Then you kind of loop that for a while, and then maybe you get an audition to do checks at a club or maybe you win a competition that was with the club so I just really sort of like took that process and the longer that it took the more I enjoyed like getting reps it was never like oh I gotta like move to like doing a bunch of time fast it was like oh okay they like this, oh, okay, they like this five minutes. Yes. Oh, oh, they like this five minutes. Oh, yes. Okay.

Oh, okay. Holy shit. Oh, that guy knows who I am. Okay, I'm going to do his bar show. Oh, I'll do a bar show in Queens. Okay, I'll do a show in Staten Island. Okay. So I just truly said yes to so many shows.

Well, you know, our own Perrielle is not just a radio personality or a podcast personality. She's also in that beginning, I mean, I don't think it's fair to say, I don't want to insult you, but you're not in the relatively beginning stage of comedy. So you are exactly in the position that I was discussing. So do you feel that, I mean, your family's here, so you have no choice. You have a husband and a child. I mean, I could get rid of that. You have roots here.

But do you think, were that not the case and you were free to go wherever you wish to go, for your comedy, your stand-up, where do you think you would like to be? I like Iron Sharpens Iron. I also think that's a good title for something. Not the special, but something. Not your special. No, no, it doesn't make any sense with my special, but I'm saying it could be a title for something. It's a good title.

I mean, I think that I am in a unique position because I am, you know, I'm a mom, and I guess that doesn't inherently mean that you can't go on the road, but it kind of, like... Well, it means you're not likely to pack up and move somewhere. But it also means that I'm not going to spend most of my time running around on the road.

Although people do. Yes, people do. And I give those people a lot of credit. I think it's incredibly difficult. I mean, I know a lot and I'm friends with a lot of female comics who have kids and who who were further along in their career I didn't start doing stand-up until I already had a kid so it was a little bit different um but it's difficult so I do feel very lucky I also feel lucky um to just be in the room to be honest because I feel like um to just be around it and it's yes to be it's, yes, to be around the best.

You want to be around the best. If you want to be great, you want to, the standards to be as high as they can possibly be. I would also say that the transportation system in New York and the kind of infrastructure for stand-up does make it easier to kind of go completely insane with the number of shows you can do, whereas in L.A. there are some true geographical limitations on how far

and how many places you can be at once, not just with cars, but also with parking and just with the amount of spaces that are letting people do open minds. The comedy store, I know. I don't go to L.A. very often, and I've never performed at the comedy store, but as I understand it, they have several rooms, right? It's kind of like here.

Yeah, I've never done the store. I have tons of friends who work at the store, who go to Mike's at the store, who are associated with the comedy store in some regard. But we have four rooms here now. I think they have three rooms. They have three rooms? You're asking me? I don't know. I've never been... But I think it's like here a comic can come and do a spot. There's four

showrooms so you can theoretically... And there's several shows in each showroom a night. So you could theoretically do like five, six, seven sets here. Now most people don't. It just depends on how many SD the booker wishes to give you. But theoretically, you can do, there are people that do four or five, certainly. Yeah, but I'm not even talking about at this level. I'm just talking about being able to do, in the earlier stages of a career, being able to do three mics in one day and know that you can get to all of those places without having to worry about parking at all.

And that's like on a Wednesday, not even a Friday or a Saturday. Or even not mics, right? Like you can go pop from Brooklyn to the city, to Queens, to whatever, and do three shows. Yes. Just real quickly, Nicole? Yes.

Nicole, is this interesting to you? Because she's like, I look to her as sort of the everyman. And where would you like us to go with this discussion i may or may not follow your advice but i'm interested she fell asleep well i've never i've never been to la i've never been to the store like i'm so curious about the differences between like that and here and what the audience vibe is like like how that is different from the cellar yeah see I don't perform a lot in LA sounds like nobody here can tell you that

the couple of times I've been in LA I was at the Laugh Factory on Sunset Boulevard years ago and I remember killing you know at just as hard I was just saying I like to hear him talk like that just objectively speaking that's what happened.

And it was very early on in my career, so I probably wasn't that good, which is even more to how explosive the audience was. Because they'd given it up for somebody who probably wasn't very good at the time. See? He has to ruin it. I love this. But sometimes, you know, when you're not as good, you kill harder. Because your material is easier. I love this. This is fun. But sometimes, you know, when you're not as good, you kill harder. Because your material is easier. Yeah.

I did a gig just recently. It was a 55 and over. You know, there's communities that everybody's 55, except really everybody's 70. And for whatever reason, they're just not sophisticated in terms of, they want it as easy as possible. The joke that worked the very best of all my jokes, I mean, I have jokes, you know,

I didn't do the banana joke was too dirty. Oh, no. But I kept it pretty clean. But the joke that worked the best was a joke I wrote about a year or two into comedy. The joke was, you know, you take a woman out to dinner in New York City, they order the most expensive thing on the menu.

Happened to me just last week. The girl orders a Big Mac. That was one of the first jokes. You don't have to laugh. I acknowledge it's an easy Mac. That was one of the first jokes. You don't have to laugh. I acknowledge it's an easy one. It was one of my first jokes I ever wrote. It's a joke that I think pretty much any comedian or any fifth grader

could write. But that was the joke that, you know, let's be honest about it. It's not a great joke. But I knew it would work. Because it was just that kind of audience. And so... Did they stand up and carry you out on their shoulders? Well, it wasn't quite at that level it was just that kind of audience. And so. Did they stand up and carry you out on their shoulders? Well, it wasn't quite at that level, but that was a joke that got the biggest laugh. Yeah, yeah.

Of all my, I mean, I have jokes in all the other comics. Like, oh, my God, I love that joke about this. And they didn't do that well. Yeah. You know, but some audiences just. Did they like the weed joke? The Colorado joke? Yeah.

Okay, good. That's a good joke. But not as much as the McDonald's joke. Wow. And they also just like, sometimes they just like a setup. Yeah. Because you bring up a funny idea, you know?

You bring up, and they'll laugh more than the actual punchline. So that's an example of sometimes you actually kill harder when you're newer. Did you do the meditation teacher joke? Oh, no, I forgot about that. I didn't do that. My biggest fear sometimes is there is a level of praise

that you don't want. And by that, I mean whenever a person who is not great with English, English is maybe a third language for them, and they say, oh, I really enjoyed your set. And you go, you kind of have to have a good grasp on

language and the flexibility of it. Yeah, that's interesting. So if they enjoy it, then it was really basic. Or you're just like, okay. But you're gauging their language, linguistic ability from how they talk to you. But sometimes people understand far better than they speak.

So it could well be that they understand perfectly but are incapable of expressing it with the same level. Okay. All right. That feels better now. You never want someone to be like, oh, I didn't understand a word of it, but you look funny. In fact, that's usually the case with a second language is that comprehension is typically better than elocution. Oh, wow. I think that's typically the case.

I think that's certainly true. I don't know if that's true with the first language. I think they're probably both at the same level generally. But with a second language, that's probably mostly the case. So they could well have understood every damn word of it and just couldn't articulate it. Who's coming to a comedy show with English being their third language? Lots of people.

Lots of people. Certainly the second language. Second language is okay. Possibly the third language, yeah. What is that, the third language? You're from Spain. English is your second language. Maybe it's their second.

Jay is saying that, you know, they don't have a complete command of it. That's the point. Because so many, I think so many Europeans know three languages. They know whatever their mother tongue might be. They know either French or

Spanish, whatever's closer. Or even people who know Arabic and then know French and then know some English. And you kind of go, which one is your... Some countries, they almost always have two languages to begin with. Like Morocco, they might be French and Arabic. Right. Belgium, they might speak French and Flemish. I think a lot of Norwegians also speak Swedish.

They do? I think so, yeah. Yeah, because they're Scandinavian countries. You know, they're kind of associated with each other. Even a lot of Eastern European countries, they'll be like, well... Russian, and I speak Ukrainian and Russian, and English would be my third language. So I think that's true.

It could well be. Now, that doesn't mean they don't speak or understand English quite well. Or they might overestimate, in some cases, their level of English, but again, because people grow up with English TV, American TV, they might be understanding better than you think. I think that understands. His understanding is more sophisticated than I think you would think, because sometimes I say things or use words where I'm like, do you have any idea what I'm talking about?

And does he? I think half the time he's probably just not listening. That's nothing to do with language. But yes, he does. Just to pivot a little bit, Perry, I'll mention being on the road, being away from family. Now, Jay, you're married. Yes. You don't have kids.

No. But you are married. Yes. And to what extent, if any, does this affect your ability to go on the road? No, I can go wherever I want. If he wants to come along, that's fine as well. He usually, I'm going to Chicago later on this summer, and he'll probably go to that.

My husband will only come with me if he's going to have fun in the city. I was at a casino a couple of weeks ago. He was like, I don't want to go. I was like, okay, you don't have to go. Do you find perhaps it could be good for a marriage? Or is there any positive spin you could put on it? Oh, yes, yes, yes. I think time apart is incredibly helpful for a marriage. Agreed.

When people get married, they don't become one person. They're still two autonomous beings that happen to cohabitate and build a life together. But you do not merge. I would never want him to be like my right hand person for comedy just because of the ins and outs of my professional relationships versus my personal relationships. Like he definitely can be like, oh, what's going on with this show? What's going on with this promotion? What's going on with this interview? What's going on with this meeting? But I never need him to be like, this is your list of things to do. And some people really like to mix that shit i don't what does he do so he works for a fintech company with a bunch of

crypto people so but he's hr for them or he's but he's senior vice president of people for that company so he has a job that is very much the opposite of mine and i love it yeah i love is he does he like look at your shit and say, holy shit, that's so amazing? Well, because we met in a theater department, so he has a performance background. He's performed before. He's an amazing singer. He's a great actor and a great dancer.

But the thing that he enjoys about stand-up is that he gets to be aware of performance and be aware of stand-up, but not have to do it. So he's aware of all the ins and outs. He can even help me touch up a joke. He can be like, oh, I like this joke better.

I like leading with this one. He can even be like, oh, what's that joke you used to do? So he's intimately aware of performance as a medium, but he does not want to do it. Yeah, I know some girlfriends and boyfriends of comedians that they kind of sit there and take notes and they become, they take it upon themselves to sort of be a sounding board. Yeah. And, you know, and so, I mean, they can play that role.

I'd say he does like, he does a little bit of that, but mostly his favorite thing about standup is that he doesn't have to do it, but he's aware of the ins and outs. He's a great karaoke singer, and he's fun, but he just doesn't. He's never one of those people who's like, oh, okay, so this is what we need to do. He's like, oh, this is great. Pierre, where'd you meet Guy

again? I know you met him. It was originally supposed to be a one-night stand. I don't recall where you met him. I met him at a wedding in Israel. Beautiful. I don't recall where you met him. I met him at a wedding in Israel. Okay. Beautiful. He's first... He's Israeli, yeah.

Yeah, I met him at my cousin's wedding. Well, weddings are like a particularly, you know, charged place to meet people. Everybody's sort of in that... I was trashed. Like, I had a yarmulke on and my bikini dripping down my face.

So your first thought was well this is just going to be a physical thing and I'll never see it again. 100%. So what turned you around on that? He fell in love with me. Oh he was the one who said I mean yes. Okay it was his idea to pursue it further than just one night stand. Isn't it fun when you know to

say that? Because so many people lie. They'll be like, no, we both knew. Like, Perrielle was like, no, he, he. Were you horrified at first by the thought? I was a little freaked out. I mean, I thought he was super hot. But I had just gotten out of a very long relationship a year earlier.

And the last thing in the world I was actually looking for was to get into another one. So I think were it not for him, I don't know what would have happened. I mean, I thought it was going to be like this whirlwind, like, you know, romance in another country for, well, romance maybe is a little bit um generous very funny okay so israeli men are one of those groups of like very hot gay guys in new york yeah it's always very

funny whenever uh a woman is like well my husband's israeli because all of my gay friends like i bet he's so fucking hot yeah he is but also the straight israeli guys a lot of them there's like a set of them that are also really hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. Well, you know, for us as Jews, Jay, well, I'll speak for myself. American Jews.

I'll speak for myself. They're hot, but it's not because there's a, it's almost like incestuous Jew on Jew. What are you talking about? I'm saying we're a small group of people, and we're all like basically fifth cousins. I'm exaggerating, but, you know, there is incestuous quality to it, I find.

I would like to say that he is Sephardic, and I am Ashkenazi, so that doesn't apply quite here. Yeah. Israeli men are very, very different than Jewish American men. Oftentimes, I mean, I speak Hebrew fluently.

My mother is Israeli. But even still, there is a quite large cultural divide for us. I do think that helps. I do think that helps with the sexual energy. Because it's a little less incestuous. So dating little less incestuous.

So dating Jews is incestuous? A little bit. Doesn't mean it can't be fun. He's saying if you go far back enough. You don't have to go that far back. I mean, I think I was

reading like we're all come from the same, like a thousand years ago we all come from the same, like, a thousand years ago, we all come from, like, the same five people. I mean, something ridiculous. Dan, is that true? It's roughly true. But also, Dan's not saying it's not hot. Dan is not hot. Dan is sexy.

He's like, no, no, no, I want that. No, no, no, it can be comforting, and it can be, I'm speaking for my. Fucking your sister. I'm a fucking distant cousin. I'm speaking for myself... Fucking your sister. I'm a fucking distant cousin. I'm speaking for myself. I can't say that this applies to everybody. But I think it applies to a lot of people. There was an episode of...

You know, like, just something hotter about, you know... Opposites may not work in the long term, but in the short term, there's something spicy about it. There was an episode on Rami about, I think he went back to Egypt. Did anybody see this?

No. It was really funny. And that he had a really hot cousin. Oh, yes. Yes. So are you attracted to Jewish women? Yeah, but in a different way. In a different way. It's not the same sheer

sexual expression. I think that so many hot people now are all over the world, just in the sense that we have access to global celebrities, that no matter what, if you're like, oh, who's the hottest person from Israel you can be like Gal Gadot is like right there literally Wonder Woman people used to only fuck their

cousins because how do we get back here Hunter Gatherers I mean everybody the only people you knew were the people that were in your group in your little circle of Hunter Gatherers you know they weren't, you were fucking,

whoever you were fucking, it was going to be probably a cousin or something. But then, but then, royalty. And then we moved into cities. But royalty would fuck their cousins to keep the good blood.

They did that too, I guess, yeah. But doesn't that, like, make you, like, if you're reintroducing with, like. If it's a second or third cousin, it's okay, I think. In terms of what you're saying. In terms of what I do, no. In terms of what you're saying, I think it's okay.

That could be a good title, too. My Cousin Sheila. That's one of my jokes. Second or third cousin. Anyway. No, not anyway. Well, I don't want to make this whole episode about fucking your cousin,

which I want to underline I've never done or thought about. Well, we can't say thought about. You can say never done. Well, I can say both. Okay. I can only prove. I can't even prove. I can't prove either.

But I'm just saying back in the day. Do you have female cousins? I certainly do. Yes, I do. And are they attractive? I can't say. Yeah, they're fine. I don't think Yes, I do. And are they attractive? I can't say. Yeah, they're fine.

I don't think of them that way. They'll be like, yeah, I guess. Oh my goodness. But I'm just saying, back in the day, this is what went on. I believe that. I truly believe that. And it still happens today with the Westminster dogs. Eleanor Roosevelt and FDR were cousins. But distant, I thought.

But not so distant that they didn't know. Not so distant that they didn't have the same name. Right. Was she Eleanor Roosevelt before marrying him? No, she wasn't. I think she was. Was she? I don't know.

No, I don't think it was that close. I can look that up. Meanwhile, speaking of... All right, Dan is typing hot cousin fuckers into his phone. Speaking of hot Jewish women, Roseanne Barr was on the Theo Vaughn podcast and apparently said something. Well, you sent it to me. That was insane.

Did you see it? I found out later she was trying to make a point. She was saying, oh, the Holocaust never happened. But if it did, it should have happened. I think she was trying to be sarcastic and it just bumbled it. Or maybe it was taken out of context. These clips can be...

I think she was imitating what some people say. Theo... She was born Anna Eleanor Roosevelt. Oh, wow. Yes, indeed. You learn a lot on this podcast, not just about comedy, but about American history. Wow. She was born to socialites Anna Rebecca Hall and Elliot Roosevelt.

Oh, okay. Uh-oh. Yes, indeed. Uh-oh. Her father, she was the niece of Theodore Roosevelt. To her mother, she was the niece of tennis champion Van... Who cares about that? In any case, her exact relationship with FDR, I can't ascertain.

This might be an episode for The Problem with Jon Stewart. This might be a problem. But this wasn't rare. A running theme of cousin fuckers. We could certainly, you know. That's a good title. We can come back to, I suppose. Hard to promote that special but Cousin Fucker

this summer coming this summer family it's great for family reunions well coming this summer this is a topic we can revisit

at another time but I think we've we've done enough today okay you want to talk about this submarine

well I mean you sent me that rose antics maybe you had some thoughts on it but today. Okay. You want to talk about this submarine? Well, I mean, you sent me that Rosenthal, so maybe you had some thoughts on it. So the first thing is I don't like things taken out of context, because I feel like I don't... There are so many things that you could take off of even this show that if it

just that, it looks like it's an insane thing to say. Or even we just had Jocelyn Chee on. Yeah, with the Malaysian Airlines. Well, you know, yeah, that's another example. But this is what I think about that particular clip. I think it is the onus is upon whoever is leading the conversation to interject and make sure that joke continues to be a joke so that and because you're releasing the clips, just

make sure it looks funny enough. You know what I mean? Yes. Like if someone's joking about the Holocaust, make sure there's a jovial enough spirit in the room that you're tagging and heightening. The thing is, the comedy seller is the ones who

put that video on. Nothing about Roseanne. Well, we're talking about the comedy. Chia, on. No, he's talking about Roseanne. Well, we're talking about the comedy. Chia, right? No, we're talking about Roseanne. Theo put the clip up. Okay, okay. But it's your clip.

So Theo, but analogous to the comedy seller, the comedy seller put up the clip. Yes. So the comedy seller, that was probably a mistake. And I think Noam said his. Well, Noam never approved that clip. He said he would not have approved that clip. So if there's some context that's missing,

whoever's posting the video, if it's their show, you would think that... So you're saying Theo posted that clip? I'm saying... Yeah, well, it's from his podcast. Right, but did he post somehow? Somebody could have taken...

Someone cut it off, and then there's a longer version of the clip, but there's no true explanation that what she's attempting to do is say that people also deny the holocaust right there's nothing in if you if you saw the whole episode it wouldn't look any better right it there's not there has to be a tag there has to be a clarification like it's like it's like you saying i don't i've never fucked my cousin i thought about fucking my cousin because we're laughing about this.

We're having fun. There needs to be just a point of clarification comedically and just kind of tangentially so that an audience member or a listener or a viewer goes, okay, I see what's going on. Right. Well, Roseanne's a bit out of her mind, I guess. No, but maybe she's not. I mean, maybe it's not that Roseanne is out of her mind. Maybe it's that the way that that clip. But Jay is saying that there's nothing in the episode.

I just think it fell so flat and that you have to either pick it up and save it or just take it out. Yeah. Yeah. Because it just fucks over every part of it messes with you as the host. It messes with the podcast. It messes with people who like we're kind of neutral about you. Well, it got a lot of clicks, I guess. And so maybe.

But no one looks good in that just because something gets a lot of clicks. I don't think Theo looks bad. I mean, he's just giving an interview. But then if you are sitting with someone and they say that, you can't just go, oh, well. You as a comic would make a joke. You would have a tag. You would make sure people are aware that this is a joking moment. Yeah.

He says it so flat. Yeah. I think that Theo looks a little bit like taken aback. Yeah. I don't know. Is he a stand-up Theo? I don't know him. Yeah.-up deal i don't know him yeah the name i've heard he was uh he was on reality tv and then he did stand up he has like a comedy

central 30 and i think he has a netflix special and he also is primarily in the stand-up space um particularly i think west coast based but he has the ability to make that into a joke where everyone watching or to at least ask for clarification yes it's his show right well i'm trying to think if she had said that on this show would my response i guess i just would have said well are you saying that seriously i guess i would have asked yeah some sort of clarification i haven't seen the whole episode so maybe you're saying he didn't do that i'm a hundred just never happened. I'm 100% sure that if Roseanne Barr were sitting here saying that the Holocaust never happened, you would certainly not be kicking back and being like, No, I'm just wondering what precisely my response would have been.

And it probably just would have been, are you saying that seriously? Are you saying that as sort of a jab at people who think that way? Yeah, and Dan, I think you and Periel would at least be hyper aware, and maybe this is because Theo's relationship with Jewish people isn't as intimate as Roseanne's, but you would be hyper aware of like, okay,

just so we know. It's like my relationship with slavery. If someone made a slavery joke, I'd be like, you're fucking crazy. Are you fucking serious? You would have to lift it back up. By the way, I'd be like, you're fucking crazy. Are you fucking serious? You would have to lift it back up. By the way, I have found as a non-African American comedian

I'm not sure I'm white, but I'm white enough just mentioning the word slavery, even without joking about it or condoning it I found really fucks with people and it it just it just i had because i had a joke about um you know about going back in time and talking to george washington and

saying you know in the future you know i don't know how to tell you this but most people are a majority of americans aren't going to are going to be non-white and the original punchline was like wow really that every that many slaves uh but but and i'm not making fun of slavery and i'm not saying slavery is good but what i'm doing is telling a joke we're in slavery is is part of the pilot and it just didn't really work half the time it got gasps so i changed i i change it to another another way of going about it. But there's certain topics that even if you just broach it and you're not black, it can be, I mean, you can do it.

And it's provocative. But you also don't like, you don't like controversial jokes. Well, I don't like jokes where half the time I gotta worry that the audience is gonna guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, you and I are in a similar boat in that regard, only because I truly want them to not worry. I think once you've built up a bit of capital with the audience, you can get a little bit dicier. You can have a little bit more. You have a tiny bit of room but like me as as a black person if i did if for some reason i felt like doing 10 minutes of holocaust jokes even if one was good an audience particularly in new york would be like i don't know why you don't need to do 10 minutes of it yeah you know it's like it's sort of kind of not to be dismissive of people playing in other areas,

but it's like, you got some pretty good stuff you can dig into. Right, right, right. You got some, there's some, there's something that you could discuss. There is, I do think that you have quite a bit more leeway when you're talking about something that is part of your own history or

experience. Yeah. Like, it's different for you to tell a Holocaust joke than it is for maybe even Theo to tell. Oh, 100%. I mean, maybe Theo also thinks that the Holocaust never happened. Well, I doubt that. But Theo also might have just been like, as Jay said, his experience, you know,

he's just, maybe he was just so befuddled and shocked and bewildered and didn't know how to because. Well, then why would you put it out as a clip? I don't know who put it out as a clip. Did he or did somebody take it offline off YouTube? No, if it's filmed in your studios and it's posted on your Twitter account and you post the first clip and people are able to cut any section of it up. That's like I think it's just less than responsible to your podcast to your career and to your guest to like have in because like every time anyone does

a podcast usually they're like okay do you like a person would be like do you want this in do you want this out like okay oh i don't like the way this this looks weird we're hyper aware of stuff like this now i think because we see so many people take shit out of context. Well, I don't think there's anything we've said so far. I mean, I think you're going to have some new fans. And by that, I mean cousin fuckers. My cousins might be tuning in. I only have so many.

They're not going to move the needle. Dan's very hot cousins. Dan's very hot female single cousins. I have cousins, second cousins. I'm going to be a great uncle. Congrats. Somebody's fucking your cousins. Well, that's my niece.

That I don't think you're allowed to do. No, that's definitely no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's a no, no. But, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's a no-no. But also there's the just jumping back to me telling a joke about slavery. Are you telling a joke about the home? And we're within our rights

to say anything we want. The question is and what we, and you know, the same thing we talked about with Jocelyn Shea, to what extent do you want to die on that hill? Yes. Versus just, you know, and I and I'm not, I'm not saying this is a brag. It's not. I don't think it's either here or there.

I choose just not to. I don't want to fucking deal with gasps and I don't want to deal with complaints. And I'm not, you know, I just want everybody to be happy. And in part because, you know, performing here at the Comedy Cellar, these are not all Dan Natterman people. Yeah. In fact, there are probably no Dan Natterman people. There are definitely all Dan Natterman people. In fact, there are probably no Dan Natterman people. There are definitely some Dan Natterman people. There are one or two, but most of them are just people that are Comedy Cellar fans

or people that wanted to see a comedy show. So if it's all people that like my shit, then you can get away with more. But I think that there are also topics that make people in general inherently uncomfortable. The Holocaustocaust. Slavery. I tell rape jokes. And the same. You get that same reaction in the audience.

So I think that it's a few things going on at once. You know what? I think it's so many contributing factors. As a comic. Your job is to also calculate risk versus reward. You also. I mean, it's something as simple as like, and Dan, I know you know this,

sometimes you go, holy shit, I really want to tell this very, very funny sex joke, but I'm on the 645 spot on the VU. It's still daylight outside. These people aren't drunk or horny enough for this disgusting sex joke. Right.

Although you certainly want to take into account that kind of thing. But my experience is that the early show, they're not squeamish at all. I get more squeamishness on the late shows. No. Yeah. 10 o'clock, I get more squeamish. I think the early shows, maybe they're more of a thinking people. Maybe they're a little less drunk and idiots.

I don't know. But if I'm going to get that kind of response, I'm more likely to get it on the 10pm show than on the 6pm show. Those guys are great. I haven't had that yet. That's my wheelhouse. 6pm. Broad daylight. Where I do my best shit. Dan likes to do it in the daytime. That's right.

I like it. A little afternoon delight. I like afternoon delight. No, I find the 6pm show here at the... Ooh, Afternoon Delight. That's a good title. It is, but it doesn't really... I mean, it's kind of a fun title, but it doesn't really have any relevance to the actual special.

Oh, it would have to be filmed in the daytime. And it would have to be obvious that I was filming in the daytime. Right, that's true. You know, because that would be good if those conditions were met. Not gonna lie, Dan, might have to steal that.

Someone might have to do it. Well, you're welcome to it. What makes a great title? Well, one thing that makes a great title is somebody's likely to stumble on it when they're Googling. No, no, no, stop that for a second, though. I'm saying more like, yes, of course.

It makes somebody say, oh, shit, I want to watch that special. Oh, what about, has this... And also just it's fun and fun say, oh, shit, I want to watch that special. Oh, Nate, what about, has this? And also just it's fun and fun. But yeah, mostly. You remember, right? Something that feels like, oh, that's a great, it's enticing. Yeah, yeah, of course.

I mean, this is corny. Like, is there anything like in like the closeness of your last name to Nature Man? Do you have any jokes about? I don't have jokes about my last name. All right. No, so. I'd say, listen, I'm not going to lie. If you were a black comedian, you could call it Damn Natterman.

It's just like a damn. Oh, yeah. But that's also how you, that could be the text message joke. I don't know. What you doing? Yeah. Well, the text message joke, we don't know. What you doing there, baby girl? Well, the text message joke we kind of ruled out. Maybe we should revisit it.

I think it's too complicated. But just nobody got it. And like, your point is well taken. Maybe if it was written out, they'd get it. But people have taught, you know. But what's your joke about how you're different in person than you are on text? What's the line you say? The line I say is, you know uh hey baby girl would you you know yeah

which is i think put a sweet ass if the title was is it sweet ass that you say yeah why don't you shake that sweet ass over here yeah won't you if you had an album that was like shake that sweet ass over here by dan natterman that's funny to me that's funny i like shake that sweet ass over here yeah no that's not bad that's not bad at all bad you know or even just sweet put it in the Dan Natterman? That's funny to me. That's funny. I like to shake that sweet ass over here. No, that's not bad. That's not bad at all. That's not bad. Or even just sweet ass. We'll put it in the file.

Sweet ass is good, too. Sweet ass. How about sweet ass jokes? Yeah. I like that. Sweet ass jokes? That's not bad. Well, because it's fun.

It's sexy. It's also a fun kind of difference than sweet ass jokes. Who is this cool ass dude? Oh, it's just a fun kind of like difference than like you sweet ass jokes. Who is this cool ass dude? Yeah. And then the person that you would least likely think would say sweet ass joke. Yeah. That's not. I.E. me or Todd Barry.

I mean, let's be honest about it. It's probably just as good for him. Can you use the word ass though? Or will they make you asterisk that out? I think if you asterisk it. The sweet asterisk jokes. But also you could be the person. It'd be like, oh, is this naughty?

People love something that's a little naughty. That's very interesting. Okay, I don't know when exactly I need to come up with a title, but I certainly, that one will go in the file. Sweet ass jokes. Yeah, sweet ass jokes. Sweet ass jokes. Because that's one of my favorite jokes of yours is text message

Dan versus real life Dan. I'm also like such a nerd and this is I feel so grateful to get to perform here as much as I do. There's so many comics where I'm like, oh, I love this one. You'll go downstairs, they'll be like, oh, I'm about to light them. And you'll see

the joke that you love. You'll be like, oh, the audience doesn't even know how much they're about to light them. And you'll like see the joke that you love. You'll be like, oh, the audience doesn't even know how much they're about to enjoy this journey that they're going to go on for the next two minutes. It's so fun to me. You're mostly emcee or do you? No, I do. You do both. No, I don't. I don't like host it all here.

But whenever the hosts are like i'm about to lie okay and then you come downstairs and you see someone doing their when their closers or like a joke they love or like you kind of walk in in the middle of a bit you're like oh i know exactly which one this is right you know what's coming but yeah it's so sometimes it's a comic it's the same thing it's like oh you like that well you, you ain't going to survive this next thing. This next thing I'm about to beat you over the head with. But anyway, anything else, Perrielle? We're about ready to wrap this up. This is fun.

Thank you, Jay. Yeah, we had a good time today. We were good. Who's on next week? Is it another politically oriented? Norman Sengkelstein? Please hold. Zach Zimmerman.

We had him on. One second. Next week, I'm still figuring out because Noam might be on a boat or a yacht, dare I say. He better not be on a submersible. He better not be. Stay above the water, Gnome. If you're listening to this.

Gnome. I actually might run the Fabrizio episode. Okay. Or we'll tape, you and I will tape one. Wait, Fabrizio. Is that his name?

Fabrizio. The SNL guy? No, that's Marcello. Oh, that's Marcello. Okay. No,

Fabrizio. He's from Chile. Oh, right, right. Oh, yeah, that's right. I have a couple that's Marcello. Okay. No, Fabrizio. He's from Chile. Oh, right, right. Oh, yeah, that's right. I have a couple that I haven't run yet. Fabrizio is one of those people, like, and this happens so much now because we are a bit more international, just as comedians. You're a bit more aware because of social media.

I was like, oh, nice to meet you. And, like, you shake someone's hand, and you're like, oh, that's pretty cool. And then him and Rafi are like this. I was like, someone from Latin America was like, do you understand how famous they are i was like wait you're like no i don't what they're like they get like mobbed rafi apparently cannot walk down the street yeah in brazil yeah and what about fabrizio in chile i mean I mean... I think it's the same situation. Yeah. It's like, it's truly... It's wild, right? They come to New York to be left alone.

It's a really interesting dynamic that, like, I imagine... Well, like, Gad was like that, you know, the French guy when he came here. Ooh. Remember him? No. Maybe he was here before you got here. God Elmala. He's a big star in France and he came here and nobody knew who the hell he was.

He made a TV show about the fact that nobody knew it was a Netflix show called Big in France. It's funny. The show's funny too. Playing on the theme that he's a nobody here but he was big over there. I said that I thought it was a relatively brave thing to do,

and Dan got irate. No, I didn't get irate. He said it was ridiculous. No, I didn't get irate, but I don't think it's brave. I like passionate takes on things. This is my opinion. I think that right now, so much of comedy and podcasting is people kind of being self-congratulatory and masturbatory to each other. It's like, oh, you're so amazing.

Oh, you're so amazing. So then whenever an exchange like that happens, when it's like Dan got irate and you're like, I didn't get irate. I just don't think it's brave. That to me used to be so fun to watch. Now everyone just sucks each other's dicks. Well, finally somebody gets it. Yeah. You're not going to get too much of a

self-congratulatory over here. Right, but like I just I don't love the fact that everyone's like, oh, like we all love each other. I like a little bit of spice, a little bit of tension, have a little bit of backbone, somebody. Well, you can only do that with like if

a big star came in here, like no offense to you. Thank you, Dan. 100%. You know, it would be hard for can only do that if a big star came in here. No offense to you. Thank you, Dan. 100%. It would be hard for me to do that unless I had some real relationship with this person. Howard Stern on his show, he's a big star, so he can do that with other big stars. But when the power differential and when the fame differential is significant, it's very tough for me, would be very tough for me to be at all real with a big, big name on this show. If Jon Stewart was on this show, I'd be hard pressed to say, what the fuck are you talking about?

No, I think. Even if I thought that. I think you'd be. It'd be almost impossible. I think you'd be real with Jon. No, I would not. I would just nod my head and say, oh, good point. Good point.

Listen, let me tell you something. You can't fake. No, no, no, no, no. I see it every single week. You have zero ability to be fake. But I'm not going to. I might just not involve myself in the conversation, but I'm not going to say if somebody says something I don't agree with, I'm just not going to say it. You know, I was backstage with Louie and he mentioned like, we were talking about a TV show that he didn't like and I really liked and I didn't push the point.

You know, it was a relatively minor thing about a TV show. I'm not going to get involved with what TV show was. But, you know, I just like the differential is, I feel it, you know, when the fame differential is big enough, it affects me. I think that's a good point, but also I grew up watching

Tough Crowd and watching Last Comic Standing and when Comedy Central first had Roast, So I'm also of the belief that peers, as long as that star differential isn't too great, peers should be able to shoot the shit. Well, maybe I could have, and maybe it would have been well-received.

I just felt, I tend to feel that differential. And so, you know, typically downstairs, we have a lot of famous people come in here. I don't typically don't engage them. I just don't. It's not as fun for me as having as talking to somebody that I can really talk with.

Well, I mean, and maybe it's all in my head, but it's real. That's also good. I'm not going to say the fucking right. That's Ray Romano. I'm not going to just say, dude, what the fuck you. Fuck you talk about. I don't think anyone's asking you to say to Ray Romano. What the fuck are you talking about? Ray Romano, I'm not going to just say, dude, what the fuck are you talking about? I don't think anyone's asking you to say to Ray Romano, what the fuck are you talking about, Ray Romano? But I think they... Like Arnold.

Like Willis? Yeah. It is all in your head. Well, it might be, but it's... But I think you're so idiosyncratic and so Dan all the time, to Perrielle's point, is that even if you think you're just kowtowing and being quiet you're not because you're like so what do you mean by that?

What I'm not doing is overtly kissing their ass but I'm also not behaving with them as I would toward somebody else that I didn't feel that differential as greatly with All in my head All in my head.

All in my head. Is that album? Oh, yeah. Special title? It's all in my head. Special title? I like that. Not bad.

Not bad. Because, yeah, I like that. You got to check and see if anyone's. You got to check for that one, I feel. Yeah. All in my head. Like somebody else might have. There might be someone.

Yeah, it could be. Not special, though. Maybe album. It's unlikely that somebody's gotten... I still... I'm sorry. I still think a little bit... We know that you...

With your partial two... Sweet Ass Jokes, you could have... Nicole, any thoughts? You could have a butt. You could have some butts. Oh, that's great. Nicole, any thoughts on the special title? I definitely think it has to be something tied to one of your jokes, for sure.

Like, I love sweet ass, but I think like these random things, like if someone's searching for your special, they might remember a joke off the top of their head. So they'll be like, oh yeah, Dan Natterman, sweet ass text.

Like they'll Google or YouTube something like that. So I think it definitely has to be tied to something related. I like to hear what Nicole has to say because she is a general, she's a millennial. She is, I don't know if she's generation. You're Gen Z? I'm a millennial. I don't know if she's Generation Z. You're Gen Z? I'm a millennial. Okay.

But at the very end. She has a finger on the pulse of what the kids want. Nicole's a cusp. She's millennial Gen Z cusp. That's what I'm getting at. So she has both feet in both camps. She knows if she, I feel if she's into it, then we have something. Yeah, I can ask.

Nicole, you listen to Olivia Rodrigo? Sometimes. See? Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's good. This is good data. This is very good data. Hilarious.

So I guess we'll wrap things up. But thank you, Jay. This was a fun episode. I like this. This was fun. Thank you for having me. Yeah, of course. Thank you for coming.

Jay, where can everybody find you? Oh, you can find me on social media at Jay Jordan, J-A-Y-J-U-R-D-E-N, all one word. That's on all platforms. And I'm on tour this summer. So if you go to my social media, we have a full list of cities and I'll expand that later this year for 2024. Podcast at ComedyCellar.com. Comments, questions, suggestions. Please tell us what you like, what you don't like, so we can improve things and make the best podcast that we can. Thank you so much, and we'll see you next time. Bye-bye.

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