The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Live From The Table: Josh Hammer on Megyn, Candace, and the Spread of Conspiracy Theories

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

Josh Hammer and the gang discuss the latest fallout from the Ben Shapiro speech. Is it full civil war on the Right? What is motivating Megyn Kelly? What can be done about Candace? And, is J.D. doomed in 2028...

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We did this once with your friend Norman Finkelstein. It's time. And it went okay, right? Yeah, it went great. So Dan's going to do the introduction. Of course, this is welcome to the trial of Steve Wall. Oh, God. Is that his last name?

He's our engineer. He'll either be still working here next week or he won't. I'm kidding. No, no, no. I think some things are going to go wrong, and I think that's going to be part of the fun. But I just think it's going to be great. We have a great guest. He looks nervous.

Don't be nervous, Josh. I don't know. Can you hear me, Josh? I got to let him clear. Yeah, totally not nervous. Great to join you as always. Okay, okay. All right, so Dan, go ahead.

This is live from the table. The official podcast of the world famous comedy seller, where we focus on Israel, Yiddishkite, and the Jewish world. And we have with us today, Noam Dorman, of course, is here. He's the owner of the comedy seller. And Peri Al-A-Lashin brand. H-J-I-C?

The head Jew in charge, that's correct. And with us, via the miracle of Zoom, Joshua Benjamin Hammer, an American conservative political commentator, attorney, and columnist, author of Israel and Civilization, the fate of the Jewish nation and the destiny of the West. And he hosts the Josh Hammer Show and Newsweek podcast and syndicated weekly radio show. So welcome Josh Hammer to our show.

I appreciate you guys out of you. Thank you. Hello, Josh. You seem pretty, I know you're pretty agitated lately, right? You've been going through it. You and Megan been sniping at each other. Go ahead. Say something. No, it's a little bit.

This is kind of it is what is at this time. I mean, I've been battling for months now with a lot of these same provocateurs. I mean, Candace Owen, Tucker Carlson, and Megan Kelly, kind of is what it is. But you know what? I mean, I take the arrows that are flung my way. I try to be the happiest warrior possible. And frankly, I love what I do for a living.

And it's all good. All good. Yeah, as we might tell Megan, if you prick him, does he not bleed? Anyway, we're going to, I want to talk about Candace Owens. I also want to talk about how we got here. I was trying to think, I'd have a lot of video, and I was trying to think what's the best way to do it. And I thought maybe, if there's no objection, I put together like a six-minute, just kind of highlight reel of all the stuff that we're going to have to talk about. I figure we just play it, put it into the record rather than awkwardly ask Steve to find it at each moment.

So do you mind? Can you play number one, Steve? Sure. This is just like this is some stuff Candace said, some stuff Megan has said, some stuff they said about each other. This is the stuff that's kind of animating me. And then this will all be our common knowledge for the conversation going forward. So go ahead, Steve. Want me to press play?

Where should we begin? I'll tell you this. Something is not right. Now, I'm a busy person and I don't have time to listen to every podcast. You know, like, whatever. If it's not a segment we're going to do on the show, I'm probably not going to go back and watch with the whole thing. But I have seen Candace taken out of context many, many times,

and you can, you know, times that by 100 on Tucker. So do you listen to her show? Like, do you actually know that the little clips you've seen online are not taken out of context? Many a moons ago before they decided to establish Israel as a country. I know you've read like the short version in the classroom and it was like, oh, the Holocaust happened. And then we realized that Israel needs to think. No, that's not how it went down. That's not how it went down at the F-all, okay?

Catholics and Christians were going missing on Passover, and then they would find bodies, okay, across Europe, and they were able to trace them back to Jews. Blood libel, there weren't Jews, okay? These were Frankists. He did it during Passover for a reason. This Frankist cult, which is masquerading behind Jews, still participates in this shit to this day.

I don't know. I'm just throwing out some ideas here. And by throwing out some ideas, I mean, I've read a ton of books and I figured it out. I think Candace is a part from Tucker. I don't know her. I don't really know her that well. Although I will tell you, we recently had a very nice exchange before all this. And I was just reminded in my own head that Candice is a young mom of like three young kids.

She's under a lot of pressure. She's got a big show. She's been under attack since she came onto the public airwaves. And she's been under attack constantly. And it's my prerogative, if I say to myself, that is not someone I wish to attack. Are there people that are off limits for sort of friendly reasons, I guess, in the Tucker sense? Well, listen, there's a reason I've never invited on Nick Fuentes, right? I'm like, he's an interesting guy from what I hear, but he called my cup of tea.

He called Ben Shapiro today, filth. He filmed himself doing a little video game where he was shooting Jews wearing the yarmaca. and said the one was Ben Shapiro. I don't really need to see an additional video to figure out who he is. I'm good. I got it. You know, we really love you, Candace Tucker. I feel like I can truly trust you guys. Thank you.

And I just wanted to know your opinion on what Candice is saying about the Israeli planes following Erica around. Yeah, I only saw the headline. And while, you know, I obviously I know that Candace makes a ton of news, I confess I don't actually get time to watch her show because I've got my own show

I've got my life of my kids. Hi, Megan. Love you. Love you. Okay. Let me just say I cut this up, so I did leave out something I didn't mean to. Megan did identify that it was Egyptian planes, Egyptian planes, not Israeli planes, just in case somebody thinks that she didn't realize that.

I just cut it out to make it shorter, and now we've made it longer by explaining it. Go ahead. How do we feel about Tucker having Nick Fuentes on his show? You know, I asked Tucker about it, and my own belief is the reason he did it. This is not from him, but my belief is that the reason he did it was because he wanted to convey to him that it is not conservative to apply collective judgment or punishment to any group of people. Now, do I want to interview Nick? I don't. Not at all. Because if you watch Nick Fuentes, you will hear a lot of really horrible things. And it's very jarring. Like, if you spend enough time listening to him, you will hear things that will make your eyelids peel back from your, I mean, it's like really jarring, upsetting characterizations of Jews and blacks and women. reaction has been shocking, with reporters and pundits claiming the motive is unclear.

Despite alleged shooter Tyler Robinson telling his parents, there's too much evil, and he, referring to Charlie, spreads too much hate. The hour before, Caitlin Collins was telling Ted Cruz, we don't know the motive. We just, why don't you read your lower third? Try reading. It could help you. That's a blatant lie. It's a defamatory blaspheme, and it's inappropriate in the setting. Let's just make clear. Let's just make clear. This guy was motivated by leftist ideology.

We know it from the bullet casings. We know it from the Utah governor. The point here is that she's Megan was very, very prickly about anybody suggesting alternate theories to Charlie Kirk's murder, except for the theories we're going to talk about, but Josh. You know it from his own mother. Yes, we do.

Let's be really clear on that. We're just not going to allow the bastardization of Charlie's memory. We know who shot Charlie Kirk and what the motives were. It was fine. Again, I don't think Israel had anything to do with it, but why did I have an obligation to stop Candace from asking those questions? I didn't, and I didn't call her out, because I favored her asking them.

Bibi Netanyahu is again denying that he murdered Charlie Kirk, despite the fact that no one that I know accused him of doing such a thing. Is that normal? Ben had no allegiance to Charlie Kirk when he was alive. So what is it about Charlie's widow in particular? I am sensing that he knows something about Erica Kirk. And every time he speaks, I grow more certain that Israel might be involved. So let's just actually bring this in. The Zionists started circling Charlie and trying to control things. And so the reality is that then they came inward because that's what Zionists do.

It was almost like they just wanted to take over the company that he had built and turn it into just another outfit of the massad. Like that's what it looks like, and it's going to come out. And like I said, the reason that they're doing this is because they want us to stop investigating the death of Charlie Kirk. Right. We are realizing something more sinister happened. However, nothing is hidden that will not be disclosed or nothing concealed that will not

be known or come out into the open. It feels that way right now. I really do. I believe that the devil overplayed his hand, the Charlie Kirk assassination, whatever it is, whatever truth we come to, it's going to. it's going to explode and there's going to be so many revelations about how this world really works. Principalities, rulers, in dark places. Definitely starting to think in a major way that Israel's got something to do with killing Charlie Kirk. You describe yourself as a Talmudic

Jew and I've learned what's in that Talmud and I encourage other people at home to learn what is in that Talmud that you know what Ben thinks of you because he doesn't just hate me. He hates you too, white men. He hates all black people, okay? If he's following the rules of the Talmud, I mean, when I say hate, they think that we're animals, that they have a right to own us, that they have a right to make us worship them, that they have a right to lie to us, that they have a right to sue us and take everything that we have, that they have a right to deceive us, I implore you to wake up to these people who believe that they are contract lords.

I challenge black Americans to wake up to your true history because your quarrel is not with white men, okay? Wake up to who publishes these books and keeps us warring with one another. Christians versus Christians, right? Christians versus Muslims, wake up and learn the true history of slavery because that wasn't exactly a white men sport, okay? Jewish people were the ones that were trading us. Jewish people were in control of the slave trade. So in any event, Candace knows I disagree with her on this. Petty internet people want to turn that into a cat fight between Candace and yours truly, which will fail. She and I actually have only gotten closer over the past couple of months as people try to make me attack her.

One of these belly creatures sliver on. There is a corner of the internet of people that want to point and blame the Jews for all their problems. Everybody, this is demonic and it's when the pit of hell and it should not be tolerated period but it goes to a deeper more structural problem all right i think that's it stephen hey he didn't really get a thunderous applause on that one charlie where's josh i'm here oh he's back so okay josh before we get into the questions what do you what first of all i just want to say i don't there's nothing i despise more than quotes taken out of context quotes that a massage i mean videos and uh i i do my i do my utmost when I make these videos to be fair to the actual most proper interpretation of what people

are saying. And the more I have to squeeze in, the more cuts I have to make. And I've always said, and so far nobody's dinged me. I say, if anybody thinks that I left something out, if anybody thinks that there's something that's on the cutting room floor that would change the meaning or the interpretation of what I've done, please let me know. If I agree, I will correct it. And if I, even I don't agree, I will tweet it out or something. So having some, I am not trying to win any arguments by making unfair edits. I'm just trying to get it all out there efficiently. So, Josh, what do you think about that narrative?

And what's your response to all that? Well, I mean, it's one of those, where do you even begin kind of situations? I mean, Candace Owens, the shit that comes out of her mouth. I mean, this book that she's waving around, the Talmudic Jew, was written by a bunch of, of Nazi sympathizers. Well, actually, that's not right, but go ahead. Go ahead. Ray, Ray, race, science, genesis, okay? I mean, the predecessors to the Nazis.

It was written by a guy in the 1870s named August. Yes, it was the intellectual predecessor to Margaret Sanger and the eugenist, who themselves were intellectual predecessors to Nazis. August, August rolling. And what's interesting about him is that he was exposed as a fraud in his own time. He was exposed by the Catholic Church and by the emperor. of Austria. So he was a discredited anti-Semite at a time when it was very

difficult to be discredited as an anti-Semite. I tweeted, I did some research, I tweeted about it, it got like 1.5 million views already. So anybody can check that out. But go ahead. Yeah, again, so I mean, it's difficult to know where to be given this person. I mean, in a just society, she'd be in a mental war by now. She would have been in a mental war a while ago. I personally am a big proponent to bringing back the involuntary commitment laws in 1960s. In my view, she should be

involuntarily committed to a mental asylum. That's been my stance for a while because what she is saying is so, so delusional and so nasty. I mean, this is the most, I mean, she's literally doing the blood libel thing. Like, she's literally doing like the 12th, 13th century

bubonic plague in Europe. Jews killed the Christians, bake them in the blood for the matzah. I mean, like, whatever the story was. She's literally doing that. I mean, it's, it's unfathom. It is utterly unfathable that this individual has the platform that she has. By the way, that was not in your montage.

She's come after me in pretty grotesque terms. She did it actually over a Jewish holiday when I was offline. This was two and a half months ago. She accused me of having complicity and therefore for knowledge or whatever, or quote unquote, Arby was in Charlie Kirk's assassination. It's almost assuredly defamatory under current American jurisprudence. She's done this to many other people as well when it comes to inner circle turning point USA state. staffers to Erica Kirk somewhat infamously as well.

I want to get to, Meg, and I'll ask you a question. I have been infuriated for a long time, long before October 7th, that anybody watches a show, people around me know, with the creeping acceptance of conspiracy theories on the right. And anybody who understands conspiracy theories should not be surprised to see that all roads lead to anti-Jewish conspiracies. Do you feel any culpability here? in the fact that that

and I don't know this but from some light research I believe it to be true that you went pretty easily and pretty easy on some of the conspiracy theorists on the right. You went pretty easy on Dinesh D'Souzaan who was with election denial and all Nesh D'Souza has been one of the absolute lions

fighting for the Jewish people. So what? So what? Was he right about with 2000 mules not a piece of conspiratorial garbage? I'm not going to comment on I mean, that's totally not relevant to a conversation. Of course, it's absolutely relevant. We're talking, well, okay, maybe it's not, it's relevant to my, and why I see it.

I see this as not about the Jews, although, of course, I'm concerned about the Jews. I see this as a total abdication of proper methods and concern for the truth in, as, as it pertains to all subjects. All right, so my telling of the story goes something like this. Not going to let a million people lie, and then when it says about the judge, Jews. Aha, you liar. Oh, well, you care about lies or you care about the Jews? Right. So my telling the story is similar-ish, but looks a little different. I think the main reason we are here, I agree with your premise that when people lose their general mental faculties and lose their ability to distinguish right from wrong, facts from

fiction, justice, from injustice, morality, from immorality, et cetera, et cetera, there's typically one place where that unfortunate trail ends, which is the Jews. And the reason for that historically is actually quite simple, which is that the Jews are the original progenitors of objective morality, the original rejectors of idolatry and polytheism, the ones who introduce objective morality, montheism to the world. So when you lose your ability to distinguish morality from immorality, et cetera, there, it should be fairly axiomatic that the Jews are going to bear the brunt of that. My telling of the story looks something like this. There have been a series of events over the past decade that I think have caused many folks to question, to question what they are being told from elites, from the ruling class, from whatever you want to call it,

from major institutions, both public and private. In my telling of the story, that begins with the 2016 election with the Russia collusion hoax, ultimately start then going to the Mueller probe that gulfed up two and a half years of the Trump presidency. Then we had the 2020 election, which think of what you may, It happened in the context of COVID. There definitely was a, it may it wasn't 2,000 meals, but there was definitely a lot happening. That was, shall we say, different than a lot of other elections prior to. It was also the era of the COVID-19 lockdowns.

We can talk about how there was this two-tier system when it comes to lockdowns and masking for certain people, but not other certain types of people there. Then there was the Joe Biden presidency, and they basically had someone who should have been in a nursing home as president for four years. They hid that from the public. We know that there was that there were other people effectively run the country, all the while the DOJ was prosecuting the then-former president, now current president, trying to incarcerate him. So there's other events, too, on playing very fast and loose with the history kind of gets him home quickly.

I understand what you are. And I agree with you, as to the ones that you've mentioned, that I was, you know, again, anybody listens to the show. I was screaming about these things. But yet, at the same time, they were saying the election was false. They were saying January 6th was an inside job. That guy, Jack Posobi, I was saying that about Pizza Gate and QAnonon,

And even Charlie Kirk was saying that Israel was in on October 7th. And all these conspiracies, and it is infuriated me. And I saw the right, and I was disgusted with the people who I generally agree with on policy, right? To me, like, they were no better than the left, except that the people who agreed with their outcomes looked the other way for their conspiracies. And the people will agree with their outcomes looked the other way for their conspiracies. and now we are eight years into it and nobody even understands anymore. Do you remember, like 15, 20 years ago,

there was a story where it's the Saudi Arabian newspaper printed the blood libel about blood with Mata and the State Department got involved and the Saudi Arabians had to retract and fire some reporters in Saudi Arabia. So sensitive were we to these kind of outrageous conspiracies. Now, I mean, where was the right when Tucker Carlson was talking about little green men

and supernatural beings and studying alien cadavers. This has been just piling up and piling up and then finally Candice Owens says something which is not different than any of the rest. Nothing different about what she's saying except that it hits your nerve and my nerve. And all of a sudden now we're screaming bloody murder. Why are we not to blame for this? Why didn't we keep it sanitary 10 years ago? Well, I agree that there are a lot of people who have been engaged in,

a deliberate brain-wrought operation, which is what I call. There are a lot of people who... But you're associated with some of those people, right? I mean, I don't play the association here. If you want to personally accuse me of fame, the place, but that's fine. You ran some of their columns in Newsweek. You held your fire on them. I didn't mean to put you on the spot here, but I was surprised by your answer, and that's

why we went this way. These people were in your circle, and as long as they were directionally pointed in the same direction as you, you were. You tolerated them. You didn't do a Ben Shapiro on them. You're playing extremely fast and loose with the narrative here. Tell me, you don't know me for a hole in the wall. You tell me, answer.

Okay. I didn't even vote for Donald Trump in 2016. I have never, ever been afraid to take on my own side. You mentioned Ben Shapiro. I've known Ben Shapiro for over a decade. I worked for the Daily Wire. Ben and I are still close. We talk all the time, essentially, every day.

I am one of the loudest people, always, who has. always held my own side accountable, both for cognitive errors, for conspiracy errors, and also just for policy and legal shortcomings, as I personally perceive it. I have been one the least afraid people to take on my own side for my entire career for the very simple reason that I don't even need to be doing this for a living. I'm actually a lawyer by background. I clerked on a federal appeals court. I've published constitutional scholarship, lectured Harvard Law School, Yale Law School. I could have easily done that. I was at a fancy law firm. When I left, I don't need to do this. I sell hummus. Go ahead. Go ahead.

When I left all that, what I'm currently doing, it came with a very clear personal acceptance that I'm going to do this for the right reasons. So I call balls and strikes all the time. So tell me about Dinesh D'Souza and 2000 mules. Was that a criminal? Tell me about election denial. Okay. Dinesh D'Souza has done a lot from movement

going back to his writings all the way in the early 1990s. He has done a lot. he deserves to be heard when it comes to his theory. Now, there was subsequent litigation when it comes to 2,000 meals, and there were subsequently errors found there. I don't speak for Dinesh D'Souza. What I know is that Dinesh D'Souza is a good human being. His wife is a wonderful person.

His daughter, his son-law, they are a wonderful family, and they are all emphatically on the correct side of the current battle of Western civilization versus barbarism. I'm grateful to call Dinesh both a friend and a patriot, even if I don't always agree with literally every single conclusion that he may or may not have found, in each and every single one of his films. So I find this attempt to derail this conversation

into me hosting Dinesh on a podcast like three and a half years ago, utterly frankly, perplexing and, no, no, you're not being fair to me now. You're not being fair to me now. I think I'm being perfectly fair, actually. I didn't know you host some podcasts, but what you could have said was, no, I'm, you're absolutely right. Dinesh is no better than Candace Sousa is no better than Candid Soans. He says that there's election denial.

He said Obama wasn't born in America. Because that's epic, that's epic unmitigated bullshit, the notion that Denetian is not barely in Kansas Owens. That is absolute flagrant. flaming horseshit and you are utterly retarded if you think that's the case okay he said that the clintons have a body count he said that unite the right charlestville was a false flag do you know people on the right do you know how many conservatives i've met my lifetime who jokingly referred to the clinton body count i mean he wasn't joking i looked into it he wasn't joking i i know people

who have clerked on the united states supreme court who who who talk of the clinton body count there's been a thing in conservative circles for 30 years so let me let you off the hook so having said that, I think that Megan has been guilty of absolutely abdicating and abandoning what was her clear standard about right and wrong, and the reason that we all adored her. Now, Megan and I have, we're not good friends by any stretch of the word, but I've socialized with her once, just to tell you guys, I met her first when I was a working musician, I was playing the wedding of Julie Banderas, the Fox News personality, who I am friendly with. And that's the first time I met Megan. She probably wouldn't remember. I was just like a guitar player. And then I met her, I think two

of the times at the comedy seller. One time we spoke for a while, I introduced her to Coleman Hughes. And we've texted it a few times. And it's very difficult not to be fond of her because she's an utterly charming and disarming person. You know her better than I do. And as much as I feel have to do what I'm doing because I'm fighting both for this cause of truth that I've been fighting for before she ever stepped into this arena, number one, and for the Jewish people, absolutely, because I'm concerned about the kind of world that my children are going to live in. I don't want to get into a name-calling match with her. I want to damage, I want to have a little personal insult as possible.

Well, at the same time, I absolutely believe what she's doing has to be vanquished. So let me, let's play number two, Stephen. This is, this is the way Megan used to act when she came into anti-Semites and things like that. Go ahead. Want me to play it? I'll play it. Situation until her ass is fired. It's just, there's no way MSNBC, which is in a full meltdown now, about how bad their losses were,

there's no way they can keep this woman. I don't, like, I realize they're in the same problem. This is about Joy Reid. That the Democrat Party is, like they have a base that they need to keep. But she and her little friend, Ellie Mistal, are truly the most racist people on television. NBC owns MSNBC, and this organization is allowing her to spew this racist hate on their channel. These people are sick. They're sick, Emily.

I look at this whole thing as like, it started in the Democratic Party like a, like a can't like a basal cell that maybe you could have just removed and moved on without too much invasive things, too many invasive things happening to you. And now it is a full-blown metastatic pancreatic cancer. And the Joy Reads and the Eddie Glaude's, they're everywhere. And then play number, just put up at JPEG number three. This is, her analogy is right. It starts like a cancer. Can a basal cell turn into a metastatic pancreatic?

I don't know that. It started like. What happened to it, Stephen? It started like a cancer on the left, and I believe it started like a cancer on the right. This was Megan Kelly, the old Megan Kelly, when I think it was Chelsea Handler, had said something about Farrakhan that was positive, something like that. Now, Farrakhan is, we thought he was the worst American anti-Semite. He was nothing compared to the stuff that Candace Owens is saying. I mean, he's like a Jedi, no, a Padwan compared to Candice Owens, this is Jedi.

So this is Megan Kelly tweeting in 2020. This is unbelievable. And the list of celebrities who are either too stupid to know what Farrakhan has said publicly about Jews or worse, do not care is equally stunning. And obviously you could say this is unbelievable. The list of important people who, who, you took it down, Stephen, I was reading, were too stupid to know what Candace Owens is saying or worse. Do not care is equally stunning. So now, okay, that's it. So now, Josh.

If you were, if you were Megan, you're a lawyer, if you were Megan Kelly's attorney, how would you defend her on this charge of hypocrisy? Could you do it? No, it's not defensible. I mean, that's very good research on your part to find the, the Farrakhan tweet from five years ago. I agree with you. Yeah, I'm good when I'm not coming after you. Go ahead. I mean, I agree that Farrakhan is a paperweight compared to what, or lightweight, I should say, compared to what Candice Owens is currently saying and whatnot there.

I, Megan is all the way down the rabbit hole. I mean, at this point, she is fully down the rabbit hole. She gave an interview to Vanity Fair earlier today. I was actually just reading some of it before I came on air with you, where she refers to Ben Shapiro as Israel First, as using the nomenclature of Tucker and Candace, and it's disgusting. It's absolutely appalling.

And, you know, look, I don't know Megan personally. It's actually entirely possible we've never met in person. I used to be a semi-frequent guest on her show, at least for a period of time after October 7th. I didn't notice that she started phasing me out a little bit on the beginning of her transformation. But it turns out that Megan Kelly is just in it for Megan Kelly, that she is just in it for perceived clicks. But even on those own merits, she's making an outrageous calculation. Does it is Megan Kelly think that her audience are a bunch of Nick Fuente's basement-dwelling Roypers? No. Megan Kelly was

like the non-Shahn had me. I mean, she was like the vaguely center, center-right interrogator, the one who always asked tough questions when she was on Fox News. Then she went to go to NBC and she had a failed very brief stint there. And she was an intellectual, ideological chameleon

there too. I saw some clip the other day. And you know, Megan calls herself, she says she's really hardcore on the transgender stuff now. And, you know, it's like, bitch, I saw this clip of you on NBC news from years ago where there are a bunch of teenagers talking about their transitioning. She's like 15 transgender teenagers in the room.

She's like applauding their courage. Okay. That's not fair. That's not fair because she's spoken about that. And she's spoken about how she was taken with a, uh, ideas that she now rejects. She's, she laments it. And she changed her mind. Apparently among the ideas that she rejects and changed her mind is that a

Jews are decent human beings. No, no, that's another thing. I'll say on the trans thing, she herself has said, I know, you said. I'm saying, she's embarrassed, she's embarrassed when she sees herself having done that. That's nothing to shame her for, is it? What? I mean, she's come to the correct conclusion, so congratulations on that, I guess, there.

But people don't typically waffle and change on their entire worldview in their 50s. Well, I mean, I, you know, I don't, like, I'm, I've been turned off by, I'm somewhere in the reasonable middle on the whole trans thing. Like, I didn't, I didn't like to see. trans women you know slaughtering everybody in the swimming pool and I didn't like to see the X Y boxer

smash the woman in the Olympics on the other hand nobody's going to tell me when I see like Matt Walsh speak about the trans that does not like an ugly hate going on there and there's a part of me which then has a reflex to protect the trans from

the this force of bigotry, it's kind of like, you know, I'm against affirmative action, but when I heard David Duke railing against affirmative action, I'm like, oh, maybe affirmative action is not so bad, you know, because I don't want to be a part of that movement. So I could see, you know, I mean, Charlie Kirk, I know who's your friend, he could be pretty ugly about the trans sometimes. I mean, I, you know, my position is not his position, but I don't know, we're being sidetracked on the trans. I give Megan a pass on the trans thing. I, you know, I can't give her a pass for this.

There is no, like, people can argue about the trans. People can argue about a lot of issues. It seems to me one issue that's really been settled, it's settled as much in, like, the realm of social science as the rules of structures and weight are settled in architecture, which is that the Jews killing Christian-based, to drain their blood to make matzah every year on Passover is the most anti-Semitic thing anybody can possibly say. And the whole world, even Saudi Arabia, had moved past that. And the fact that

somebody can be saying that today and somebody like Megan Kelly can say, oh, I didn't watch and I don't know, maybe she's out of context and we've become closer. And then she can be so angry when anybody has the nerve to suggest any more plausible, like these are more plausible theories, like a Maga person might have killed Charlie Kirk for some reason. But then when the least plausible theory is floated, that the Mossad came out of a trap door to Israel because of, you know, the meeting in the Hampton, was like, I wanted her to ask those questions. This is impossible for me.

I was at that meeting, by the way. I was there on the Hampton. We can circle back to it. This is impossible for me to process. And I know you agree with me, correct? Yeah, look, I mean, I think it's the most cynical, self-serving thing in the world. Why does she do it? Because she thinks that's good for her career.

I mean, she thinks that the momentum that I guess the younger generation or whatnot is with Tucker Candice. But she's making an utterly retarded calculation even on those own terms. I was just looking at the polling earlier today, Trinity Point USA did a big poll of all the attendees there at Amfest, 2025. The poll I saw showed that roughly 87% of the attendees there, think that Israel is either one of many allies and or the greatest ally of the United States. The percentage of attendees so that Israel is not an ally in the United States

is 13%, which, by the way, is really why you heard. That's not a very surgical question to drill down on the attitudes that we're worried about, is it? It's a very nice proxy, and it's actually a very nice proxy, especially compared with the last Turning Point Conference, the Student Action Summit, the one that I debated the moron Dave Smith at back in July. They did a survey of the whole crowd there, and they found that 73% of the students vaguely identified as pro-Israel.

So 73% there, now it's 87% to say that it's some sort of ally. If anything, the percentages, frankly, are going in the correct direction, which is actually, by the way, exactly what Charlie Kirk or Peeley said would happen. One of the many reasons that he was strongly encouraging Israel to finish a job, ASAP, as was I many others, was that he thought that the poll, would rebound to something along the lines of the historical median after the war in gossip was over. And that kind of seems to be exactly what's happening, actually. All right. I want to take some calls. We've never done it before. I see what happens. But before we do something, one thing, can you play number four, Stephen? This was you when you were really revved up about Megan. There's one thing that you're saying here, I want to ask you about,

and then we'll go to some calls and see how that works out. Play number four, Stephen. tragically seen. It turns out that Megan Kelly is only in it for Megan Kelly, that she is actually just in it for clicks, actually just in it for views. Megan, by the way, claims that I call it to her an anti-s. I didn't cut those pictures in. Whoever I stole this from on Twitter did. That might, which I didn't, because I do not believe she is. So she's unhinged, she's lying. And this is somewhat new-ish for her. It feels like just yesterday. say that I was going on her show fairly regularly. Indeed, after October 7th, her team reached out, I was a semi-frequent guest. We had one amazing conversation where she had me on for an

hour or more for a really deep dive on all the various elements of October 7th than the then immediate aftermath. What was the role of Iran? What was the role of Qatar, Muslim Brotherhood? What does Israel do now? What does the U.S. do now? It was a great conversation. And she came across as very genuine and caring. The fool is apparently as me, because she was not genuine and caring. Because now, as she has made incredibly clear, she's on Team Tucker. She's on Team Candice. She will never, ever, by her own admission, say or do anything to distance herself from Tucker Carlson. She certainly has not done anything to distance herself from Candice Owens either. And it's even worse than that. Because I know I will not say this

individual's name, but I know from someone. This is what I'm going to ask you about. Who was very, very close for a long time, someone who, for whatever's worth, not even Jewish, who was very, very close to Megan Kelly for a long time. Someone else who Megan Kelly recently just blew off. She told, though, this friend of mine before she blew, Megan blew off that friendship, she admitted that she knows that what Candace and Tucker are saying right now about everything in general, including Charlie's assassination,

the Jews, that Megan apparently admitted that she knew was crazy and unhinged. But she simultaneously said that the reason that she would not condemn it is because she is scared of their followers. Yes, big bad Megan Kelly is scared of Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens his followers. Okay, Stephen. They are scary. They are scared. That doesn't ring actually true to me. And I, you know, I'm a person who I'm a boss.

And almost any time somebody quotes what I said to make a point, they never quite quoted accurately. They always lose the nuance. And they always, they just always spin it and gild the lily. And I can't imagine Megan Kelly actually confiding to somebody that she's guilty of everything that we're accusing her of. Is that what you're saying? She actually said to somebody, yeah, yep, I know, but I'm just a coward.

You know, I'm afraid of their audiences, and that's why I do it. I'm just cynical. I can't imagine her admitting that to somebody. Well, I don't really care what you believe because I've seen the screenshot. I mean, I've literally seen the screenshot of a week after Charlie Kirk's assassination, so around September 17th, September 18th, where Megan Kelly admits to, to let's call this person my friend, that Megan Kelly thought that what Candace Owens was saying at that time

was quote truly nuts that that I believe that much I believe but the fact that okay but it's the other part that she that she thinks is nuts

but that she's essentially afraid of the audiences so she's, that's it like she's out she's just going to let Candace say whatever she wants is that what it said the screenshot that I saw was not this

but the same individual who supplied me this screenshot also told me exactly that. So I could probably follow up this individual, maybe this screenshot, maybe it was a phone call, I don't know. But the same individual who has provided me screenshots

and showed me exactly what Megan Kelly was saying and thinking after choice assassination, told me exactly what I just said there on that clip, which is that she admitted to being scared of Kansas and Tucker's followers. And it makes total sense, frankly, to me.

Yeah, I just feel like there's more to that conversation. I just feel like, I mean, this is not really defending Megan. I just feel like in any conversation, she's going to have with anybody, she's going to advocate in some way for her own reasons. So part of the time, part of the time like here is they arrested an individual. This was kind of swept under the news.

They arrested someone in October for issuing online death threats against me and a few others. Seth Dill in the Babylon B, Carol Marcos in your post, and Laura Lumer. And this individual who is, who was paid his bond payment and is now out with an ankle bracelet, etc, et cetera, et cetera. He's been charged in the state of Florida. This individual, if you look at the account that he was following on his ex-account there, one of the five or six accounts he was following was Candace Owens.

So, okay, not hard to connect the dots there. This guy was riled up by Candice Owens there. So it makes all the sense in the world. I mean, I know this personal. I follow Kansas. Okay, but you may not want to five or six people do so. This guy was inspired by her, apparently, to issue online death threats against me and three.

others, for which he has been arrested and charged with very serious crimes. So it's not entirely ludicrous for Megan to think that maybe, maybe if she crosses Candace Owens, maybe she'll sick her Nazi followers on her. It's all, it's deeply cowardly, but it's logically consistent. And it's, I could give you what my theory has been. Hidden. My theory has been that Megan feels strongly that. the future of this party is with J.D. Vance.

And she wants to maintain access as an insider with the Vance milieu, with the Vance clique. And there's no way to do that if she's going to turn in fire on Candice Owens. Yeah, but what polls these people looking at? I mean, like literally, what poll is they looking at? Well, he may lose, but the polls show that he'll, he's likely to the nomination, but whatever. Okay, so what do we got? So, questions. So we've never done this.

You know, in the old days of talk radio, I used to, they used to hang up on callers a lot, and I used to feel bad until I realized that they have to, because otherwise the caller's done, so, so what I'm going to ask for anybody who calls in is don't be verbose, get to the point very, very quickly. We don't want to hear you pontificating. Stephen, you have, you have, you don't need my orders. If anybody is insulting, vindictive, you know, abusive, just cut them off. What about the word retarded? Do we accept?

That seems to be all the rage now and day. If anybody, I shouldn't, I shouldn't. I was going to say if anybody does, never mind, what we spoke about before. You can wait 10 seconds and then cut them off. We have a caller. So what do we got? A caller? Yeah.

Okay, give your name, what is it, your name, where you're from, and then get to the question. Go ahead. First. Coming in. I knew it. He's joining. Oh, this is the delay? Yeah.

Okay, so when I started introducing him, you've got to let him in first. Okay. I think by 2025 we'd have instantaneous connections. They should have, like, a certain amount of time. Well, as kids, by... As kids, by 2025, we didn't imagine any of this. Okay, we got it, Stephen? It's still hung on joining.

It might be our callers. internet connection it looks like we got another one we'll try hello where are you from okay hello where are you from can we ask him to unmute

we have asked our caller to unmute but he's sheepish just go to the next one we don't have to do we have is that the only one we have we had two one stuck on joining and one's us we're still waiting from now mute

okay hello hello ah shmuel buckman schmuel buckman okay this is a this is a

a Catholic apparently so what what would you like to talk about schmuel uh yeah I've been listening to you guys talk for a while and I'm really curious

why you won't let Kevin Brennan call him because he's going to make a mess of things I mean Do you say Baba Bowie next? You're afraid it'll make it interesting or what? No, I can't, Kevin.

I want to have an intelligent conversation, and I love Kevin. I love Kevin. I'm actually one of the top ten Kevin Brennan fans in the world, but he has no respect. And he's going to turn this into a free-for-all. That's why I don't want to ask him in. He'll start ranting about the Shulies. Yeah, yeah. Shmooley.

The Shulies? Shulies. Yeah, that's Kevin. Yes, Shulies. That's Kevin's word for Jews. Yeah. Okay, we got another caller? Okay, it's probably going to be the same thing.

Go ahead. Who's next? No. Oh, he bailed. All right, well, you let us know if anybody. We'll let you know when they're officially in. If anybody calls in. All right, Josh.

I want to ask you a question. I was not a huge... You and Charlie Kirk, we didn't even introduce you properly. You and Charlie Kirk are very good friends. Correct? Yeah, I don't want to exaggerate, but we became close towards the end of his life in particular, yes. And you regarded him as what kind of figure in the future of conservatism? I think he was one of the absolute most important figures in the movement.

I mean, you can kind of quibble as to who is the top five, top ten, whatever, but by any by any decent ranking, Charlie Kirk was an indispensable figure in the contemporary and future American writer's name. You have a call, Stephen? Are there also comments, by the way, that people can write on the side? There have been a lot of comments on the YouTube now. We have 260 watching. A lot of people like Spicy Gnome this morning.

Okay. We had anybody to talk to us? Unmuting. We're trying to unmute them all. Sorry about that ding. That just means they... Okay, so, but maybe you can explain something to me. The one thing I could not get over. Actually, we can play it. Can you play...

Number five, Stephen? Can I start it? Yeah. Instinct that I did initially, I find this very hard to believe, right? The whole country is surveilled. And so let's start at the very beginning. Is that the very beginning, Stephen? In Israel many times, the whole country's a fortress.

When I first heard this story, I still had the same gut instinct that I did initially. I find this very hard to believe, right? The whole country is surveilled. And so let me just kind of go through this. We don't talk about Israeli politics very often, and most Americans don't know this. The last nine months, Israel is on the brink of civil war. This judicial stuff, there were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets because Bibi Netanyahu is basically redefining the Israeli constitution.

There were protests planned this week against Netanyahu, where they anticipated tens of thousands of people to take to the streets. That's all gone, Patrick. Netanyahu now has an emergency government and a mandate to lead. I'm not willing to say, to go so far that saying that Netanyahu knew or there was intelligence here. But I think some questions need to be asked. Was there a stand down order? Was there a stand down order?

Six hours? I don't believe it. They're live streaming the killing of Jews. Was that somebody in the government say stand down. That is a legitimate non-conspiracy question. I just want to make sure my position is clear here. But I would, so Patrick, there are other explanations. It's possible that the Netanyahu government was double-crossed by bad agents.

Okay? That's dark, but it's not as dark as what we're talking about. Okay? Another aspect is that Netanyahu might have traitors in his government, like legitimate traders that have infiltrated. I was texting with some senior people in the IDF and they said, Charlie can't say too much, but let's just say the same problem you have with the left in America we have here in Israel. There's something to think about. Just something to think about, right?

But there are some serious questions here, Patrick. And let me tell you, my pattern recognition over the last five years has become pretty sharp. COVID, Maui fires, Epstein. When I see a story and it doesn't click. That's good, Stephen. So this is all, that's good, Stephen. This is all basically Candace Owens level stuff. And you can actually imagine Candice Owens saying this stuff.

Her pattern recognition, just asking questions. I'm not saying he did it, but come on. And the accusation is that the leader of Israel, for his own purposes, or more than just a leader, but a whole cabal, sat there and let Jews be just slaughtered for six hours in order to consolidate power. That's our friend. Look, I mean, I don't think that I'm in the position here of defending every single thing that Charlie Kirk said. I mean, that's a bizarre situation to try to put me in. And I don't agree with, I don't agree necessarily with what we just heard. I definitely don't think that Bean Netanyahu personally ordered a stand-down order.

Here's what I will say. And my wife was born in Israel. My in-laws are both IDF veterans. Most of our family still lives in Israel there, et cetera, et cetera. Here's what I will say. There are folks in my wife's family, some Israelis, who definitely are willing to entertain questions about the extent to which there were senior members in Shabakh, in the Shibah, in the Shibah, which is the internal Israeli security service,

the extent to which maybe there were indeed some, call them subversive actors who did some very shady things there. There's been a longstanding power struggle between Netanyahu and Shabak. I think that's a much more interesting question. Hopefully we'll see the by a day when it comes to the inevitable commission of inquiry that Israel will hopefully lead. That's much more interesting than BB himself personally calling for a stand-end order, which I certainly do not agree with.

Well, yeah, you don't agree with it. But it also, so that as I understand it, the Charlie Kirk people, and I'm very appreciative and always have been of the religious, the Christian Zionists that Tucker calls and hates. But in the end, they support Israel, and I've heard Charlie Kirk say this, for scriptural reasons, which, among other reasons. Well, that's the question, which, and the scriptural reasons, you know, they're fine as long as the person you're arguing with has. the same religion, otherwise they're meaningless. So I much prefer people to make the moral and legal arguments for Israel. And it's interesting to me, I find it hard to understand how anybody could imagine that hundreds or thousands of Israelis would be standing down while the whole country is aware of this. And they're all keeping it a secret, right? We're

two years into it, it was a year into it, whatever. They're all keeping it a secret, and that, to me, that betrays a certain opinion of what these people are capable of. And as I said one time earlier, there's no way Ben Shapiro would ever imagine that. Yes, who's this? Hello, Patrick, yes. Well, I know that name. Hey, I was just wondering.

This is Kevin Brennan. Hello? Yeah, you're on the air. Who's Kevin Brennan? I'm sorry. Go ahead. Patrick, hello. Hey, I was calling to see if you guys Let's a join Super Tip

What is that? It's where I give you the tip of my day Wait, I didn't let me answer Okay, go back to Josh Go ahead, sorry, go ahead In response to what exactly? No, no, no, continue with the Explain to me how

somebody who has a positive opinion of the Israelis could even entertain that idea, let alone say it. And he said it again later or he stood by it, where you could imagine that they are capable of just standing by and keeping it a secret. Okay, so something very unusual obviously happened. That shouldn't be controversial to say that. I've been to the Israel Gaza border many times. Maybe you have too.

I mean, it is an extremely secure border. It is one of the, at least it was, one of the most secure borders probably in the world. I have said this publicly. One of my personal theories ever since this horrific tragedy happened, you know, Iran, Israel is well known for having Mossad assets inside of Iran. It stands to reason that it's entirely possible that Iran could have had certain actors high up in the ranks, potentially of Shabakh, the Shinbet, the Internal Security Service, Mossad, IDF, who knows? It's possible. In fact, many people have been arrested in Israel for doing exactly that, for spying on behalf of Iran. So these are, I don't think these are frivolous questions, actually. I mean, something clearly way out of the ordinary did happen. I think the country is on

pins and needles to find out exactly what happened and why. And, you know, part of what we heard in Charlie's clip, again, I don't endorse the stand-down order part, but part of it is just factually accurate. It did take Israel a very long time at first to initially respond. Now, part of that is due the fact that this happened not just on Sabbath, on Shabbat, but also on a holiday, on Shmenia Sarat, aka Simchat Torah. So that's partially explicable for this there, but not fully there, because there are a ton of people in security services who have rabbinical dispensations, et cetera, there. So that's not a full explanation there. But there's a lot that is extremely, extremely questionable. And we don't know the answers today. And frankly, now that the war

is kind of sort of, kind of sort of winding down in God. I think it's probably time that the country should start to lead a formal state commission of inquiry to try to get to some of these answers there. Again, that does not mean that we're endorsing the stand-down order. I know that people in Netanyahu's inner circle were very upset that Charlie Kirk said that.

It was not a responsible thing for him to say at that time. But Charlie had an entire career's worth of track record of being an amazing friend of the Jewish people, an amazing friend of Israel there. And if that's how he feels, I don't necessarily think it's the end of the world for him to voice his opinion there. I don't particularly agree with it, though.

I know, but... Well, no, to answer your question, how could somebody that thinks favorably of Israel also think there was a stand-down order? I mean, can he think favorably of Israel, but also think that there is a relative handful of bad actors in the government? No.

I mean, how could there... Of course, enough for the calls. There's bad actors in all governments. Of course you could think that. I mean, I think there's plenty of terrible actors and the American government and the Israeli government in all governments. Of course you do.

I think the whole world is in... infected by this conspiratorial thinking. Steven, can we stop that thing? Yep. Please. Unless you can screen

somebody and then bring them on. So, no. Everybody in Israel knew what was going on. The soldiers who would then be ordered to go out and combat this invasion

would each know that there was a stand-down order. Everybody would would know. It's so implausible, just like Pizzagate, just like a million Epstein, like there's an infection here. And I don't know. I didn't expect it for, I know, even on this Brown University thing, everybody was all in with the, I think you were too, everybody's all in on the conspiracies. Everybody is just infected with conspiratorial thinking right now. And this

is actually the problem there's no way to if we're going to continue to look the other way at this kind of stuff we should just embrace the anti-Semitic results so no you don't make a distinction between a conspiracy theory which we say well that guy's a nut

but whatever like the earth is flat and a conspiracy theory that really is dangerous no I don't I mean they're all they're all one leads to the other Candice Owens says can we stop that dinging Candice Owens says that

she thinks that the moon the Apollo moon launch is ridiculous and iriscible and she makes fun of it. It's not a coincidence. The kind of vaccine denial that RFK stands for. The stuff you hear on Rogan, the stuff that Tucker says

about Alex Jones being a supernatural prophet, it's everywhere you look. Dinesh D'Souza, Jack Posoviac. I mean, it's everywhere you look. And if somebody has, I mean, Ben Shapiro, God bless him. I think he's a lone voice here. I bet you he agrees with me 100%. Don't you think he agrees with me? On what? I talked to Ben a lot. On what? Yeah. About the fact that these conspiracy theories are a dangerous heroin and we're losing our ability to think clearly. Yeah, and I've been saying the same thing for my entire adult lifetime.

On the other hand, there are a lot of things that are casually dismissed as so-called conspiracy theories that, obviously or not. I am old enough to remember when the Wuhan Lab Week theory of the origin code 19 was dismissed as a conspiracy theory. People said that it came from the wet market in Wuhan that was transmitted from the animals, the wet market. And now the government is split at best, if not lean towards the notion that it started at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. It was, no, no, that's not quite, you know what? I hear that example a lot, and I don't actually accept it. I'll tell you why. It was dismissed as a racist theory because, you know, the China virus and all that stuff.

And actually one of the new- Which never made any sense, by the way. I mean, it's not inherently more racist for to start at a lab in China than a went more in China. I mean, it made no sense on Facebook. It's over there. But people were absolutely dismissing that as a conspiracy theory in my time. Well, let me tell you why I distinguish it. It was dismisses a racist theory, and the woman from the New York Times tweeted someday,

everybody's going to realize how racist this was. But the reason conspiracy theories are not to be taken seriously is because if you imagine all the people who would have to be keeping it a secret and all the things that would have to be true, they're implausible. The notion that the Chinese government might be keeping it a secret that a virus escaped from a lab is not a conspiracy theory. That's absolutely plausible and always was. There is none of the reasons that I roll my eyes at conspiracy theories are activated by the idea that the communist dictatorship of China might be keeping it a secret from us that a lab leak happened.

So it's not a conspiracy theory because it's plausible. Conspiracy theories involve- That's your subjective opinion. Yeah, well, you can tell me where I'm wrong. And conspiracy theories involve shadowy, they. and people pulling the strings, and there's always all kinds of implausible stories that go with these things.

Okay, so right now you're making intense objective claims. You are kind of arrogant to yourself, the unique, unquestioned, your refutable ability to distinguish that which is plausible and that which is implausible. Well, tell me where I'm wrong. Okay, so a lot of folks casually dismiss a lot of things that people on the right say as being conspiratorial when it turns out that they actually are not.

I remember when I was dismissed as being conspiracist and others were for speculating that there was coordination happening between the big tech oligarchs and the Biden White House when it came to censorship. Guess what? We were 1,000 percent correct as Jack Dorsey, the Twitter files and all sorts of logs that came up in a certain litigation that showed coordination between the Mark Zuckerberg-led team and the White House. All of that was proven to be correct. There are so many other examples to count there. I have been called a conspiracist many times for voicing things that are eminently plausible and are also more. vindicated there. So yes, there is a skepticism when it comes to not shutting your mouth because, you know, shut your mouth conspiracies. So this is always an ad hoc case-by-case thing. And a reasonable rational human being can distinguish between a plausible theory, such as the Biden and White House coordinating with the big tech oligarchs to censor so-called

disinformation or misinformation on the one hand versus, I don't know, let's say Alex Jones, Sandy Hook shooting crisis actors on the other hand. These are not. not the same thing. They're just not there. How can I prove that to you? I really can because it calls for basic common sense, a virtue that is in shockingly short supply these days there. But just because not everything is quadruple verified by NBC News, CBS News, the BBC, Wikipedia, whatever there, I mean, just because it doesn't have the imprimatur of legitimacy from all of the institutional gatekeepers of our collective orthodoxy does not mean that is not a so-called conspiracy theory. Again, there are gradations here.

So when Tucker Carlson said that we were... I will never defend Tucker Carlson. Right, but when he was saying that we're studying alien cadavers for their weapon systems and that the United States is aware of satanic beings that live under the water and kill people, I didn't see anybody on the right calling for his, you know, expulsion from the polite company of the right. There was no call for his excommunication. even though what he was saying I'm crazy

I don't particularly remember exactly when that happened what I can tell you is that I've been one of the loudest voices in the entire right calling on Tucker for probably two and a half years now we have someone who's calling in

who says he has some serious questions okay let him in well we'll take his word for it hey how are you guys hello how to pronounce your name Hamid yeah it's good enough so I have a couple questions

please how do you want to I guess I'll start with you Norm You, I remember two years ago, and I have the, uh, the clip when you were discussing with Dr. Finkelstein, uh, how I know this. You said, you said to him that Israel is not going to starve Gaza. And if they do, you'll apologize and you'll say Norman Finkelstein was right. Uh, can we get an admission that Israel was in fact starving the population of Gaza? And even until today, under the agreed ceasefire, six, 600 trucks of aid were supposed to enter into Gaza, less than 100 per day are entering. So no matter how you sliced it, you were both wrong in the past, and till today, Israel is still starving the population of Gaza.

That is collective punishment. Yeah, I'm going to answer you honestly. I don't think Israel intended to starve Gaza, but I will, and I did a show on this, and I will just refer you to the guy who spoke. most eloquently about it, who is Javiv Retegur. There was a chapter there where they were very, very irresponsible, and I think trying to calibrate the discomfort or something with the aid, and where people were being killed, where if you watch the show,

you know I was very, very angry about it, and then they stopped. I didn't hear an apology to Norman, though. That's my question. No, no, because there was no, the Israel, I don't believe, you're entitled to your believe, and you could present evidence, that there was a policy where the intention was to have people starve. It's not in their interest. Okay, here. Let me finish.

Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Okay. But there was good evidence that they had, you know, calculated how many people. pounds had come in, and they hadn't really accounted for hoarding, and they said, well,

you know, this will put pressure on. Well, they did that before October 7. Before 10-7, they were doing that already. They were counting the calories of agri-gazin, and they were putting them on a starvation plus diet. Okay. This is not relevant to the conversation with Josh. Well, no.

Hold on. Are you going to say Norman Finkelstein was right? Sir, sir. Okay. I don't want to hang up, but let me just end nicely. We can continue this conversation, you and I another time. You can email me. I don't mind.

I can have a Zoom call. I literally wrote an op-ed on this topic today, by the way. I didn't want to hang up on it. This person should literally go to Newsweek and read my op-ed on this literal topic today about the so-called famine in the live there. You want to answer it? Go ahead. Go ahead, Josh.

No, I don't particularly care to engage in, you know, in libel as bullshit. I just wanted to say that I happened to literally write an op-ed on this exact topic today. So, you know, this person, you know, if he wants to get off his ass and actually learn some facts, can just go to Newsweek's op-ed, et, et cetera. and read my article that's up there right now. Well, what's the bullet point? I mean, I meet Sagalas, as to me, even he felt Israel. I will read you a tiny, tiny snippet of it.

Okay. Up to October 10th, official data shows the more than 2 million metric tons of aid enter Gaza in total by land, sea, and air. All facilitated by Israel while it waged its war against the genocidal butcher's of Hamas. In August, the month in which the United Nations previous report claimed famine was occurring, almost 130,000. tons of aid entered by land alone, excluding fuel, in almost 6,700 trucks, more than twice

the prescribed amount outlined by the United Nations, which is 60 to 62,000 tons, as opposed to 130,000 tons that actually entered by land alone, not including sea or air. So, I mean, we actually have numbers on this. We have data on this, and it's not the guy. But the free press, not exactly a pro-Hamas rag, did an article where, I believe it was a free press, described that the prices of staples were shooting through the roof, which implied real shortages. And the explanation most given was that there was extreme hoarding going on. Like if you were to count how much toilet paper was in the country during those first days of COVID,

I'm sure there was plenty of toilet paper. However, we all know you couldn't get toilet paper. and if toilet paper were food some people would have been starving so that is a mechanism that can explain both I don't know what's true and what's not but I don't want to pretend that I don't

understand that both could be true and just say oh no everybody had food based on the tonnage when I know we didn't have toilet paper and I know there was enough toilet paper in the country so how do you respond to that I'm honestly not interested in the premise of the question I'll respond but I'll

But I'll be very honest with me. I find the entire notion that a country engage in a defensive war against a genocidal jihadist invasion, the notion either legally, historically, philosophically, or morally, that that nation has to then be involved in giving aid at all to the country that wage this war in the first place is astoundingly. Okay, but that's a, that's a changing of a subject. You know, that's another debate. And it's an interesting debate and it's a difficult one. But it's not difficult at all. The United States did not have a need to provide aid to Dresden, Germany, prior to the carpet bombing in the 1940.

We didn't have a moral or legal obligation to sneak in aid to Tokyo prior to the Doolittle raid following Pearl Harbor. That's not how it works. That's literally not how it works. This is a total postmodern conception as to the moral, ethical, and legal responsibilities of nations engaged in both offensive and defensive wars. So the entire notion, frankly, is offensively stupid. And it's not a, and by the way, again, Israel doesn't particularly play that game. They give the aid anyway for better or for worse. And based on the data that I've just shown elsewhere there, they have gone above and beyond there.

But they definitely don't have to do, for God's sake, is to account for the fact that Hamas are not merely just a bunch of genocidal butchers, that they're also deeply venal, corrupt, and hoarding. I mean, how astounding. You have to account for that. Are you kidding? And the other, another, I'm not endorsing what you're saying, but to add to the mix, Obviously, Gaza has a border with Egypt, and for most of the war, Egypt certainly could have provided aid to their Arab brothers. But there was a period of time, six weeks, I don't know what it was, where even Israel had seen to it that even the Egyptian border was closed in the Philadelphia Corridor.

And at that point, I think it's almost a consensus opinion that the Israeli government did, when, too far. I don't know how many people starved if anybody starved because I don't know but I'm certainly not going to say it didn't happen

a consensus opinion where in Manhattan where you live I mean that's not that's not a sense of opinion in my circle among the is the pro-Israeli

right of center journalists who normally dismissed these claims okay I'm not sure circles you're in but I certainly have never once

hold that opinion okay okay well I listen again you know it always comes down to it. I just want to be factual. My own country, the United States of America, I know what you guys are thinking is. My own country is the United States of America in times of war has made mistakes. My own country, torture people. We had Abu Ghraib. We've had all sorts of

things. I think America is a decent, I think it's the best country that's ever been. I think it's a force for good in every way. But I can't just pretend that, well, any accusation that anybody in America did anything wrong or inhuman or brutal is false. Nor, I, I, I, I, And I think that if that becomes the assumption of any accusation against Israel, no matter what, you're going to get humiliated because they're going to do something bad. They're not, you know, angelic. They're human. I mean, I mean, and no one denies that for a second there.

There was the accidental, the accidental bombing of the Catholic Church in Gaza a few months ago. I mean, I mean, I mean, beyond accidents. I don't just mean accidents. I mean, do something intentionally bad. Well, whatever. We can, we can. Okay. All right.

Anything else? Listen, I know it's been a little contentious, but this is an entertainment product here. Nobody wants to hear two people to agree with each other all the time. Is there anything else you want to add to the conversation? And maybe with another call, we take another call. Liz, you can give Ahmed my email address or, you know, and I don't mind zooming with him. I don't want to Shanghai. Can you still say Shanghai? I don't want to Shanghai this conversation. Look, I'm good. I appreciate the opportunity to chat. I totally agree with you, by the way, that, you know, no one enjoys. and just like two dudes, not in Lone, all the time, that's definitely not entertaining there. It doesn't make for good listening or good. Aren't some of the biggest broadcasts in the world, sort of that?

Well, more charismatic than people than you and me. Oh, what's the future? So, Ben, we didn't talk about Ben Shapiro. He started the Civil War. What were the first shots in the Civil War? Fort Sumter. He fired the shots at Fort Sumter, right? There's no going back.

That's an epic bullshit narrative. I mean, literally during this broadcast, I actually was retweeting at Turning Point USA employee named Alex Clark who tweeted out, crazy revisionist to act like Ben Shapiro is to blame for splitting the conservative movement and starting a conservative civil war when someone was legit accusing people close to Charlie of murder. Couldn't possibly have been that person. No, it must be Ben. I mean, as someone, one of the people who was accused by said demon, Candace Owens, of having

some sort of level of complicity there, I mean, this is a person. is nuts. I mean, I, look, Norm, I remember after October 7th, it was December 2023. I remember very well. This is when I first heard Tucker, I think he had Sagar and Jedion as a guest that day. This one I first heard Tucker Carlson say, Ben Shapiro wants my children to go die for a foreign country. Okay, this was two years ago. I mean, this has been going on for a very, very, very long time now. So the notion that this courageous speech that Ben just gave out in Phoenix that this is the opening shots of a Civil War? I mean, like, where

the F have you people been living for the past at least two years? At least. You can arguably go further than that, but at least for the past two years there. A lot of this stuff really burst down to the open since October 7th. I mean, I could go, you know, guess for guess when it

comes to Tucker there. You know, when Tucker had on Daryl Cooper twice there to say that, oh, you know, the 6 million Jews that died in World War II, that this is just because oh, the Nazis didn't know what to do with all the displaced persons after Operation Barbarossa on the Eastern Front into Russia. I mean, was that the start of a civil war? I mean, like like the most deranged Nazi apologists revisionist history imaginable. I mean, there's a million places I could point to there.

But no, the notion that Ben started this, I think, I think is totally preposterous. I was personally very proud of Ben. I think he did a fantastic job there. And by the way, he got a lot of applause in that speech too. You know, the notion that does turning points have some young people who are active who hold some unsavory views, sure, I mean, there's a lot of young people who are trying to act in a fashion that they view as being

kind of just contrary to the gatekeepers and contrary to this there. You know, they want to kind of get under skin there. And we've seen a lot of examples of folks asking his question at the conference is there. But when I debate Dave Smith at the Turnpoint Conference in July, I got a lot of applause. And you know what? I don't think I got a single boo.

Dave Smith actually got booed twice during that debate that I did with Dave Smith there. And at this conference that just ended out in Phoenix, this new tournament conference there. Look, I didn't watch all the speeches, frankly, but Ben got about as loud of applause as I saw of anyone not named Erica Kirk in that entire conference there. Well, I don't want to torture the Civil War analogy, but obviously there were many incidents prior to the shots at Fort Summter where everybody kind of knew a full-out war was going to break out.

I think that's what you're describing. But I think when one of the principal figures in that whole movement, your, your group turns and makes a public speech naming names, calling them cowards in front of millions of people. That is the war. And how, somebody asks you, how is this going to manifest itself in electoral politics? Surely J.D. Vance cannot hope to win the presidency if you guys can't work out, you know, come back together without the Candace Owens and the anti-D. Vance. semites and Nick Flint is as part of like the tent under that tent it's not possible you agree right Gavin Newsom is just going to wipe the floor with you look it is my opinion that if

if the Republican Party if Magda whatever you want to call it continues to pretend like nothing's going on here and is going to continue to welcome Nazi apologists and people like Tucker and Candace into the tent into the coalition there that I think the Republicans are for a world of hurt. And that is one of the many reasons that I've been sounding the alarm on this for a long time is not merely actually, there's a lot of reasons to be clear

when I'm sounding alarm. In fact, the fact that I'm Jewish is actually pretty low down the list. You know, frankly, the number one reason, norm that I've been so concerned on this for a long time, and I think you'll appreciate this, is because I'm an American. And America, I care about a lot.

And there's not a single society in global history that has entertained this sort of conspiracism with respect to the Jews, and God forbid, starts acting on that impulse at some grander scale. It's not a single example of society that is better off because of it. So if I think that America is the greatest force for good, which I do, it sounds like you do too there, then that is a major reason to care about all this Jew-hatred brain rot,

as Charlie would have called it, that is currently happening out there in the world. That is one of the reasons there. And even on self-serving terms, I think the radical left is nuts. I think the left has no chance of saving America. America. On the contrary, they're trying to burn it down. So the only force capable, in theory, of saving America and preserving it from one generation to the next, is the right. Can the right do it? And they're playing footsie and wink, wink, nudge, nudging with people like Nick Fentis and Candace Owens? I don't think so. So the right has to get its own house in order. I mean,

the fundamental premise of what Ben said in his speech the day prior to turning point, he gave a speech at the Heritage Foundation that got fewer eyeballs. It was just as important his speech, frankly. But he was saying that just as a country needs to have border control, a movement has to have border control. It should be self-evident that not all views are welcome in the tent. Okay? There are some, you have every right to say what you want to. Go get a rumble page, YouTube channel, your Instagram real, whatever. You can try to make a living however you want to. But when it comes to defining what a political coalition is there, by definition, there are borders. Because paradoxically, when you see to conserve everything,

you're actually conserving nothing whatsoever there. So that's the current fight, as I see it. I feel pretty confident that my side is the correct side. What I'm less confident about exactly is exactly how this plays out of the next two, three years. I have no idea, frankly, how it's going to play out. But I do see some polls, like I mentioned earlier today, about 87% of these Amphist attendees say that Israel's in the United States. And I ask it again, what the heck are these people looking at there? I think it's ultimately something of a fad and that fads ultimately do pass. We'll see. I don't know. I'm not going to pretend to kind of have an exact timeline here, but I feel pretty

confident ultimately that that team Sanny's going to prevail here on some timeline or another. All right. Well, it's a pleasure to meet you. Since we have, I don't know, do we have any real audience listening? We could take some calls if anybody want. I'd like to see somebody's face. Josh can

go if he wants, I don't know, or stay. We'll admit some, a few people in, see who we can get. Yeah, let's see, let's see what we got. Let's see if there's anybody, just for fun. Josh, you're welcome to play along or? A lot of chat. chat on YouTube for sure all right well tell these tell these cowards on YouTube exactly that's what we come on are you guys listening come on somebody click the link let's take a look at you can ask us

anything as ask Perry L you know Perry L has a whole book out about her sex life it's called the only bush I trust is my own hey you can ask you to do a reading guys I got I got to bounce all right gosh thank you thank you thank you guys very much nobody can get Noam's name right it's it's it's everybody thinks it's norm he said norm he said norm a lot of people on YouTube, say no, I'm going to get somebody. We got somebody. Okay. I feel like fishing. Oh, no. What's your name? Hello. Hello. Ah, how you doing? Drew.

I'm right. How are you guys doing? Okay, Drew. What happens to Drew? Is there? Oh, why we got a car Michael X. Okay, Drew. Go ahead. Drew. Drew, you hear me?

I can hear you. No, go ahead. You have the floor is yours. I'm just going to be a little bit delayed just because I have a little bit of a delay here. But a lot of my questions were for Josh, but I'll channel him. Go ahead. Give me one second. I got to work out my audio.

All right. So I'm sorry. I'm just going to power through this. Take the things out of ears while you're talking. I have a question for you. As far as conspiracy theories be. anti-Semitic or something like that. You know, a lot of people have conspiracy theories about, you know, like people being pedophiles in the government, et cetera, et cetera.

Why would it, why would that not be anti-American in the same way having certain, you know, unproven conspiracy theories about, you know, Jewish people is like anti-Semitic? I think I'm going to stop now just because I have audio problems. Yeah, but I agree with you. I agree with you, true. you're right they're all equally crazy and they are they are anti-Semitic and i mean they are anti-american in their way and they they they represent a low opinion of what the people in power are capable of so i agree all right thanks for calling drew anybody else stephen uh looks like car michael's on okay how come car michael kept i don't know but car michael x i don't know but

the name keeps popping up okay okay car michael Hey, Nome What's up? I know why, because you let them in at the same time, and then if it makes some noise, the Zoom software gives them the it's like the, I feel what it's called the speaker's view or something. Go ahead, Carmichael.

Hey, Nome, I just wanted to say hello from Mike David. You got your TV on the backer? No, that's the joke. All right. We don't get a take down. I hope that's not licensed material. Thank you, Carmichael X.

Who's Mike David? Does he mean Mike Davis? My old friend who sings so well? Beautiful saying. Yeah. We have a Brian. Okay, Brian. Hello?

Hello, Brian. Brian McGarrigal. What's up? Cut off Carmichael. Norm. Hi, Brian. Cut off, Tom, Michael. To the show, but a big fan.

Go ahead, Brian. Go ahead. Yeah. How does Shulie Edgar spend 10 years on the Hoursdard show, and nobody knows who he is? We know who. People who listen to Hoursdard know who he is. Yeah, I know who he is. Nobody knows who he is.

He's completely anonymous. We've had him on the show a couple times. Anybody who listens to Kevin Brennan certainly knows who he is. Hey, Nathamon. Yes, sir. I call Felicia Galisbee lately? No, we've been out of touch Her story was mostly true

But there was some fictitious elements as well Was that where you goed up the wall? No, I didn't go up the wall But thank you for your I heard you go up the wall Well, that didn't happen But there were some elements of truth To which he said

Thank you very much Brian Can you say hi too? Okay, next Anybody else? I love this That's it? The last guy's checking and uh all right eli eli come on eli come on win it how you i love i just want to say i love

what you do and i have a comment and a question go ahead um first of all i think it's unfair that you brought denise de susuze's election denial because uh if you remember when trump won the first time the left went nuts and drove their conspiracy theories about the Russia collusion. And then the country proceeded for almost three years the unelected officials in the government to, you know, investigate it. And then when Trump lost and the right was making outlandish claims, if you say so, and nobody investigated, and they were dismissed. out of the bat and so you know if you go back to that you have to remind everyone what happened when Trump elected and my second point is that that point that

you started from the from the election denial I think that the right became crazy from the Ukraine war Tucker became insane with the Ukraine train war and also Kansas. It all started there. Well, I mean, I agree with you sort of Russia Gate always seemed to me

to be ridiculous. But the thing about the election denial, I don't remember the details now about 2,000 mules, but it was pretty shoddy stuff and there were articles written that exposed just how cynically he had cobbled that story together.

What always spoke very loudly to me about that entire chapter was that there were two people who were completely motivated to give the theory credence if there was any reason to. One was Mike Pence who wanted another term as vice president. And the other was Bill Barr, who was the attorney general who was a very, very straight shooter. And both of them had full access to all the information. And both of them said, there's nothing here. And to me, that was by far the most responsible indicator that there was nothing there. It's one thing if the opponents said there's nothing there.

But when the guy on the ticket, the vice president, who would certainly latch it anything, that had even a small chance of being true, wait, hear this out, it's possible here, he and Bill Barr both saw no threat of evidence that they were ready to pull on that to me made it very clear that there was nothing there and sure enough history bore me out but you know

there's so many of these conspiracy theories and then there's Pizza Gate and Q and 9 and you know DeSouza I have a whole list here you can Google them I mean DeSuzza's been involved in 10 different conspiracy theories and to me my point with Hammer was that the right looks the other way when the conspiracies point in a direction they're not been offended by and this is a huge mistake it's the same mistake Megan Kelly is making I don't know why he I think he did see my point you still there

did I bore you to tears he left we have all right to be still Natasha Natasha in the middle is that part of me my name's not Natasha it's Oh, get him out of here! I was going to sing a song about Natasha. My wife's names appeared on the device. I'm using several apologies for that. I just called in.

I'm actually from Australia. I thought I'd call in and ask, especially in the aftermath of what happened in Bondi Beach. The other day, all the controversies happening on the right. I guess your discussion today was largely about the quote-unquote civil war on the American political right maybe on the global right what do you think explains one of the things that I'm most baffled by I've watched a little bit I'm a kind of more centrist kind of left-leading person I've watched a lot of a little bit of Megan Kelly in the last two or

three years and I developed a kind of sense of respect for her she seemed to treat people that I respected favorably, people like, you know, Sam Harris, when he was having issues, she would be very kind and very, uh, fair to things that happened to him, even though she didn't have the same politics. Natasha, I'm close to telling you to get to the point. Come on. Okay, so my point is, what do you think her motivation is to continue associating with someone like Candace Owens, especially I saw your recent tweet about the book

that Candace Sown's held up on her most recent video just absolutely crazy anti-Semitic nonsense I don't understand how anyone could possibly continue to associate with her and expect people to take her seriously

what do you think is the origin of that first of all one there's a lot of things that go into it one of the answers is a lesson that our parents teach us when we're little don't tell a lie because when you tell a lie, you have to tell a bigger one and a bigger one and a bigger one.

Megan Kelly did not set out to become an apologist for Candice Owens' outlandish anti-Semitism. What she set out to do was just kind of tell a little white lie to lubricate because she didn't want to cause trouble within that community. And then she had to kind of back into it more and more. And before she knew it, she found, she sunk into, she stepped into quicksand and it just brought her down and down and down. She is, that's what I believe. What she wanted to do is not derail the right. She did not want to derail J.D. Vance, who she knows is close with Dr. Carlson. And she doesn't want to derail her own access to that.

she wanted to try to finesse this situation and hope that would all work out. And to somebody like me, I knew immediately it wasn't possible. I don't think she, I'm sure she has no use whatsoever for the kind of Jew hatred that comes out of that side, although it is a human weakness that as she comes under fire from all the Jews, she might develop a resentment towards them. It's only human. But surely she could see where this is going. Like where could you possibly expect this to go from here?

Like if you start standing behind someone saying these sorts of things, making up, you know, telemotic, you know, conspiracy theories, surely, surely she can see where this is going. She has to stand behind this now. I don't know. You know, I had, you might have heard me talk about it. I had. Do you know her at all?

I know her a little bit, to say we're friends would be an exaggeration, but we've had, you know, I've had, spend an hour with her and some text messages. But back when they first started accusing Israel, I've told the story on the podcast before when they first started accusing Israel when the, like the nutty people at first accusing Israel of genocide, I was encouraging some sober left-wing writers to write about it, to refute it. and they didn't want to. They didn't want to stir up trouble. One of them actually said, I don't want to upset my readers. And then before you knew it, the genocide thing grew and grew and grew,

and then these people were totally, you know, caught out there and never to be heard from. Now, they didn't endorse the genocide charge, I don't believe. But it was the same thing. They just kind of, an excess of optimism,

they thought they could get away with it without having to upset their audience and upset their upset the apple cart and sometimes it can't be done often it can't be done that's my theory on it i mean what else is there that that she's some kind of closet nazi that no that's not no i don't think that's the case either i just wonder what the kind of psychological and uh oh there's one other thing there's one of the explanation might be there's one other element she's spoken about it i think it's real i think Tucker carlson you know she took a lot of really unfair abuse at certain times and she made a remark about

blackface that was misconstrued and she made a remark about Santa Claus which was turned against her in a very unfair way and I think Tucker Carlson always stood by her and I think personally she was moved by this so she was very reluctant to come out against Tucker but but you know we didn't talk about I meant to ask this about Josh but all these people make the mistake of mixing friendship into their profession friendship cannot be involved in this profession any more than it can be in the medical profession. Their oath has to be to the truth. And it can be very, very difficult. But that's what you make the big bucks for. Friend or not even saying, I think, I think at one of the Q&A, she did at the TPA USA event, she's going after Barry as well now for very wise.

Even interviewing Erica. Yeah. And I'm, I'm just kind of what, it kind of almost seems like now the dam is burst and she just feels like she can make these sorts of, uh, uh, arguments. Yeah. Okay. Maybe she always Harvard. Barry Weiss, I do know,

and I'm going to defend her, I guarantee you that when the story of the 60 minutes things, the story of this 60 minute thing finally emerges, Barry Weiss is going to look very good. There is no way she spiked a story in order to protect Donald Trump. I can guarantee you that.

I know how she speaks when no one's listening. I know where her head is at. That is completely 100, 80 degrees, the opposite of what she's in this for. She, I am sure, thought that story needed to be improved in some way. And maybe through an experience, I don't know why they didn't manage to head it off before it was announced and the promo already released. So they have this awkward thing of spiking the story.

But that story will come out and I'm guaranteeing you that the story is going to be credible and people are going to look like idiots. Okay. I'm going to say goodbye to you, Natasha. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Some hormones. It will work for that, you know, some estrogen.

Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Anybody else, Stephen, I'm enjoying this. How about a question for Peryl? Anybody else, say, Stephen? I got a question, Perry L. Okay.

Get the hat. What about, what's the question? Do we have another call? Matthew J. Okay, come on. Yeah, yeah. Hi, so very quickly. My opinion, then I'll ask my question really quickly.

Sure. Is that right-wing people, they look at, one of the principles they have is, you know, their own personal freedom. And so I think that they really glob on to these conspiracy theories because just like I have my own personal and I'm carried about myself, there's someone out there who's like opposing that and it's this big, bad, whatever. So that's my personal theory about right wing kind of fall into this more than left wing. But my question is, although I think it's good to call out these people like you are, I really support the show. But what is, what are the

things that like we can do to undermine or to combat conspiracy theories? Instead of just, like, calling people out, but is there something positive we can do? Like, what do you think about that? Periel, you have a... Well, I don't have a good answer for you. What we can all do as individuals is fight the urge to cover for our own side. That's what I accused Hammer of doing. He knows, forgive me, Josh, but you know that Dinesh D'Souza is not a...

is not a guy who plays it straight. And what we have, go ahead, you want to say something, I'm sorry. Oh, I just say, so I guess like you're saying like the truth being like totally honest and it won't leave room for lies is that because I deal a lot with conspiracy theories with arguing with people online on Discord or in person.

I really enjoy them and I really enjoy arguing against them. And one of my fears is that as people are economically doing worse and they feel like things are out of their hands. I'm seeing a lot more of this kind of enjoyment of these kinds of ideas. They're percolating more. They're flat earth and all the Bill Gates blotting out the sun or crazy things that I sadly sometimes have to deal with. Well, I don't know. Matthew, this is what I think is. Maybe this be the, we have to end. But causation is elusive. So yes, it does correlate to what you're saying, but it's not the

first time that people have been doing badly. What I think it really is, we spoke about it last week a little bit, is we are in a brand new world vis-a-vis free speech. The kinds of things that we're talking about prior to the most recent chapter of the internet, they would have been stopped by the sober gatekeepers that controlled all the newspapers, all the magazines, all the television networks. There would have been no way for this stuff to catch on. And what we're seeing now is that everybody can brought,

I mean, I had a million and a half people read a tweet that I wrote. I mean, there's no way I could have done that. And that could have been, and people who have conspiracy theories have five, six, seven million people reading them. And there's just no way they would have had that access prior to the internet. And we have not caught up as a car. in terms of teaching our children and each other how to interpret what we're reading, what it means to understand sources, biases.

I think we will catch up to some extent, but right now we are very vulnerable because it's like COVID, when COVID first hit, our immune system had never reacted to it. 10 years from now, we're going to have some immune system reaction that will help us in some way, like the vaccines help us in some way, not from catching COVID, but from succumbing to it as we did earlier. So we're just going to have to wait this out, but this is a very difficult time, I think. We don't have the wisdom to combat this stuff. And I don't really think it's because people are doing badly economically. Did I put you to sleep?

he's gone they always hang up on me anybody else I thought it was a good answer anybody else hey gnome yeah Glenn

how are you Perry L this is good why you Perry L's trying to get out of here I'm good I didn't expect that we were going to go like hours

It's fun Hi Glenn How are you guys Good Good good What's up You know There's a talk radio guy

New York you see Hang out on people If they said how are you But go ahead His name was Bob Grant Go ahead Glenn I'm actually calling from Montreal. I just want to let you know that since January of last year,

I'd say a lot of podcasts on the right and the left completely shifted their views on Israel. And it would include also Pierce Morgan on that. And I do believe saying Israel, the Jews, Zionist gets you a lot of views and clicks on YouTube, on X, and so on. And I think that's a big part of it. I know that there's going to be some new owners on TikTok very soon that are pro-Israel. Those algorithms might change.

But there's no doubt if you see Pierce Morgan since October 7th, I think 85% of his shows have been about Israel, have been about American Jews like Epstein, all kinds of, conspiracies and they include Israel Jews and Mossad and so on so it's a that's I think that's the golden goose right now that's why people are talking about it and that's why there's a shift I'm a little scared of to be honest about JD Vance I do not trust him at all he's not just the whole thing with his with Tucker and Nick Nick going after his wife, him not saying anything. It's very suspect. I know that he's trying to keep everyone together because the midter coming and in 2028 he wants to be on the big ticket.

But his silence about it is a little scary. I'll be honest. Yeah, I agree. But I've never liked J.D. Vance. He's humorless. If you notice him, he's humorless, and that's a big danger sign for me. I think the most sophisticated people, the most soulful people, they are funny, like Abraham Lincoln, you know. And this guy is so rigid and he reacts so, so brutally to so many things.

I know that's kind of like psychoanalyzing him, but I think it's a good indicator. But I could tell you those, you know, many specifics as well. But what's it like in Canada? Do they hate— We have more questions if you want to take in more calls. Okay, Glenn, I appreciate your comments. Usually answer up, but I found your comments to be pretty interesting. So if we do this, please call again, okay?

We should. Thanks. Who's next? Matthew, Jay. Yeah, I came back. No, I thought your answer was good about conspiracy theories before. I do think that they existed before, like JFK, but I do agree that, yeah, it's a different paradigm now.

Okay, Matthew, Matthew, you're double-dipping. You're double-dipping, Matt. Do we have a question? You got to go, Matthew, but I appreciate that. Next time, Matthew. Who's next? Different question. Different question.

Is there anybody else waiting? Yeah. No, we got, you got to go, Matthew. I'm sorry. Oh, all right, fine, fine, fine. Next time. Maybe, or you can just hold. If we run out, he can come last.

Go ahead. Who's next? Who's next? We're waiting for Nick to join us now. Come on, Nick. Otherwise, I'm going to talk to me. Unmute, Nick, if you there? You know, it took me like 40 years to

understand that Matthew had double T. Really? I think, I thought that, ma, Matthew, M-A-T-H-E-W. Wouldn't you ever seen it written down? Apparently, I'm a terrible speller. What's with this fucking cash grab? What's up, Nick?

No, it's okay, leave mine. I can't hear him, I can hear him. You're on, Nick. You're muted, Nick. Cash grab, we don't make any money here. You're muted, unmute, unmute. I'm mute. Oh, he gave me the finger.

Fuck you guys. Fuck you guys. What's the matter, Nick? Fuck you guys forever. Yeah, but what's your problem? What you're, what, fuck, good, good guns. What, what, what's the peri-elle? But Nick, what's, what's going on?

You could talk to me. Nah, man, I'm out of here, bro. But you called in. I'm, I want to talk to Nick. I don't want to fucking talk to Nick. No. I find that for real.

A little... David, John? Wait a second. David John Levy? Wait, how psychotic is that? Carol, you like guys like that. Come on, David, John. How's it going, Noah?

I knew it. I knew it was David John. Hi, David. How are you? This is my oldest friend in the world. He and I've known each other since we're three years old. Are you going to take your shirt off and show us your muscles and start screaming, fuck you guys?

Are you going to pay me? oh my god he was david john goldberg when i met him now he's david john levy that's correct what's up david i identify as david john levy since i was five you have a real question or you're just coming to say hi both go ahead go ahead mostly just an excuse um because we're both in the same now i encourage everybody to follow david john levy on twitter because he he spent his career i you know we're not in that much touch but he spent his career working in China. And he has a, he defends China from a firsthand perspective that a lot of the things that we believe are true about that country are not true. And, you know, a lot of your, a lot of the

premises are wrong. But anyway. And I'm going to vouch for him, uh, as a, as a fair-minded person. So I would encourage you to follow him on Twitter. So go ahead. What's your question, David? Yeah. And it's, it's an honest question. It's not a statement. Uh-huh. how many of these conspiracy theorists that you have problems with are not performatively religious are not

give me an example performatively religious you mean like faking it well people like well I don't want to get into their heads but obviously and outwardly religious as part of their persona.

So people like Dinesh D'Souza, people like Tucker Carlson, it seems like all of these people are, I would call it performatively religious. They love to, you know, there's no question of how they stand on religious issues. There's no question that one might be an agnostic,

let's say. Yeah, I'd have to think about that, and I will, but I would just say off the top of my head, first of all, I don't want to say they're performative religious because that's maybe they're just actually, like I don't know that they're bullshitting when they're religious, but also a lot of like the very anti-Israel conspiracy theorists like Max Blumenthal and Judge Napolitano, who were saying that, or even John Mearsheimer, who said that Trump is being blackmailed by the Israeli government and things like that. these people are not religious but yeah I mean when you say that it does there might be something like per capita

a higher rate of religious people among that group then in the general population all right are you in New York you're gonna come visit all right Perry all

I would love to I we're gonna have you and I'll text you call him from the car yeah I got to take the next call David I'm sorry I love you. I'm happy to see you.

Bye, bye, bye. Me too. I have a picture of us together with three years old. We went to the same nursery school together. That's very sweet. Yeah, anything else? Kianu. Anybody else, Stephen?

Keanu. Reeves? Yeah, bye. Kiano. Like, Keanu Thompson. Okay, go ahead. Ah. I'm here and he's with my wife.

You guys are trying. I didn't cut that to live. We're good. You guys are doing a great job of vetting these fucking callers. Oh my God. That's not coming to the show. It's just to you. Can you take that?

I'll talk to you if you take, if you take my wife off the screen there, please. Oh, you got to, you got to come off. Oh, my God. On that now. Well, everybody, thank you so much for joining us on our first call in. Is that it? Are we done? Okay.

All right. How would you, how would you rate that? How did that go on a scale from one to 10? Would you say, no, I don't know. Liz, Stephen, what did you think? I liked it. The chat was great the whole time, too. Well, we weren't privy to that. Well, I'll get that up there for you next time. You'll see it. Okay.

It'll stay with the video, too. All right. Yeah, I mean, I actually enjoyed taking the calls. You didn't mind that guy who came on and was screaming, fuck you? Periel, it's an entertainment product. The only thing that you want to wonder is, will the audience think it's entertaining or not? I know you I know you can't think that way Are you sure you're Jewish?

It's not the only thing though It is the only thing I mean A Clifton Okay so everybody Thank you very much Good night Good night

Oh my God That was insane Why would you call in a show I don't Recording stop Thank you.