The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Live from the Table: Leclerc Andre

Episode Date: July 5, 2024

LeClerc was featured at Just For Laughs Comedy Festival as one of the New Faces of Comedy. He has appeared on The Tonight Show w/Jimmy Fallon, as well as on NBC’s “Bring the Funny."

🎵 This is Live from the Table, the official podcast of the world-famous comedy cellar. Coming at you on SiriusXM 99 Raw Comedy. Also available as a podcast. Available on YouTube for a multimedia experience where you get audio and video. This is Dan Natterman, comedy cellar. Regular. Though that term with an asterisk. audio and video. This is Dan Natterman, comedy seller, regular, though that term with an asterisk,

not as regular as I used to be, but we can discuss that later. I'm here with Noam Dorman, the owner of the world famous comedy seller,

the ever expanding world famous comedy seller. How are things going, by the way, on the new room on 6th Avenue now? It's mishap after mishap. We were supposed

to have a meeting this morning at 11 a.m., but nobody told me, so I had to cancel the meeting. It's just taking forever. Well, hopefully by sometime in 2025 there'll be a new Comedy Cellar room. We're here with Piriel Ashenbrand. Hello. Our producer and making his debut

on the Comedy Cellar podcast, Mr. LeClerc Andre, part of our Get to Know the Comics Mr. LeClerc Andre, part of our Get to Know the Comics series. LeClerc is a relatively new member of the Comedy Cellar team, or roster, I guess is the better word. Family?

Family, if you like. Family I like. Been working here for a few months, I guess. uh i just auditioned in december 2023 so yeah did you have did somebody recommend you or you just barged in and look at me i didn't know that was an option if i would have known that uh i would have definitely tried that but no i got maybe like eight recommendations uh before but that's what we call overkill yeah well none of them work so who was the most important person who recommended you

the one that actually led to an audition was john marco serrazi yeah but yeah that's before october 7th you're lucky but they would typically look at a video first you You don't give auditions just without seeing a video first, I'm assuming. Usually, no, we would if somebody, you know, if like, if Colin Quinn recommended somebody, we wouldn't ask for a video.

I mean, I don't know if he submitted a video before. Oh, yeah, I submitted videos with every recommendation. I don't know if Estee even looked at them. But, no, I mean, if certain people recommend you,

I imagine Estee would just audition you. But if it's somebody we don't know, we look at the videos. Who else? Colin and who else? Most of them. Colin and up. Yeah.

It'd be more interesting if I tell you who we wouldn't. But I don't want to. By the way, if you're not viewing us on YouTube, let me describe LeClerc. Sherrod Small. Okay. LeClerc is about 6'6".

Yeah. I think he would 6'6". Yeah, sometimes 6'7". Who knows? But yeah, 6'7". And he's taller than Gary Goldman, I think. Yeah, might be. Might be.

Goldman's a big guy. Goldman's a big guy. He's a handsome biracial? Would that be fair to say? Is he? No, you. Oh, I'm not biracial. Okay.

The fuck do you care whether he's biracial or not? Well, I'm trying to get a... There's a story there somewhere. No, I'm not biracial. He's 6'6". I'm trying to get a... There's a story there somewhere. No, I'm not biracial. He's 6'6". He's got model good looks. There's a story in here. No, I'm not a model, and I'm not biracial.

But, yeah. So you're white. I'm 100% Caucasian. Jewish, actually. And where do you come from? My family's from Haiti. That's how I got this goofy name. Oh, okay. Yeah, family's from Haiti. That's how I got this goofy name. Oh, okay.

Yeah, family's from Haiti. And yeah. Will Silvins we would not take a video from, by the way. But go ahead. I think Will is also biracial, if I'm not mistaken. He's definitely hard to pin. He's also Jewish. Actually, have you seen the naked picture of Will Silvins?

No, luckily no. Oh, my God. I've not looked for it. I've heard things, but I'm keeping a low profile. I'm trying to avoid that picture. I would love to see, don't take this the wrong way, but I'd like to see you and him next to each other naked. Okay.

It would be awesome. His pee-pee is just huge. Everybody see, he showed my wife the picture. Oh, really?. And everybody's seen it. He showed my wife the picture. Oh, really? He's not shy about it. Did she like it? Would you be? Did she like it?

Probably. I wouldn't show people without being asked, at least. She played it off. But you have to see the picture. Put the picture up. Because in the picture, he looks tragic. He's got this face like, you know,

for the price of a cup of coffee, you can help people with overgrown genitals in Haiti or something. It's so big, it's sad, huh? That's crazy. You have to see the... You've seen it?

No, I have not seen it. I don't need to see it. No, no, you need to see it. No, no, I'm good. Next time you see Will. No, I'm not doing this. I don't need to see it. No, no, you need to see it. No, no, I'm good. Next time you see Will. No, I'm not doing this. Is this behind a paywall?

It's the Patreon episode. Just tell him, just tell him, Will, can I see you? Say, no, I'm sad.

I'll try, I'll try to make it happen. Have you, have you seen LeClerc? Actually, I don't think I've actually seen you on stage. I don't think you've seen me. Performing.

But what, do you, you do discuss anything in particular or just the general stuff I mean I try to talk about like my family as much as I can and sometimes I go on stage and I try not to talk about being six foot six six six seven but people if I don't mention people just scream out how tall are you it's the giraffe in the room yeah it really is it becomes a distraction so i'll get on stage people start gasping sometimes at mcdougall in the classic room my head touches the ceiling so like people just start laughing immediately at my body as soon as i walk on stage they they just start laughing. But let's be clear, 6'6 is still, it's not so tall that it's no longer attractive.

No, I'm sure he has no trouble with women. But because I did see a guy in McDougal a few weeks ago that was so tall that I felt sad because it was obviously a problem. This guy might have been about eight feet tall, quite literally. And that's all of a sudden you're like a museum of illusions like in in the cellar the ceiling is so low and everything is so tight it it's obviously like if you just saw him on the street you wouldn't even realize right he's how that's a tall guy but in the cellar touching the ceiling it's really it's a look yeah you

should do your special down there i would love to to, actually. It's the best room. But I do feel like there are people who are unfortunately tall. We've seen those people. Yeah, I think right around seven and change. Yeah. It starts to get. Like Kareem. But he's had an awesome life. Yeah.

But then there was a guy I saw on McDougal. I think he was eight feet tall. So you like, I i mean this is a silly conversation but if you could be shorter would you want to be shorter no no no yeah no not at all no it's it's it's great i mean i don't have any frame of reference really this is like my body all the time but sometimes i forget that i'm this tall like i'll catch myself in a reflection amongst other people and it's just my head towering over what about flying coach uh yeah that's not the best uh it's it's uncomfortable but you know i make do it's a it's a small inconvenience relative to all the upside of being all the benefits what

are the benefits because you're a married man so that's one benefit out the window i'm married yeah that's why how old are you 38 now yeah oh i thought you were younger how old when you got married uh 33 that's a little on the young side but that's actually that's not yeah 33 32 did you live it up before you were 33 yeah i was pretty busy i mean yeah worn out right yeah i mean it really took a toll on my career but it was it was fun times yeah yeah i enjoyed it yeah yeah you don't miss it though right no uh on my career, but it was fun times. Yeah, yeah. I enjoyed it. You don't miss it, though, right? No, I don't miss it.

Blink once for your ass. Let's go ahead, George. Well, how long have you been doing it? You said it impacted your career. How long have you been at this? I moved to New York in like 2012 to try to pursue comedy, but it just took so long for me to get my footing. I was bartending. I was, you know, dating.

I was trying to do all the things, being a new person in New York. So, like, comedy took a huge backseat for the first two years. I may have gotten on stage maybe ten times the first two years. So I was, I mean, dabbling in comedy. And then things started to, like, I tried to take things more seriously. I saw my friends were finding success. So in about 2015, I started to like really take comedy more seriously. And that's when things started.

You must be getting like, I would assume, some acting work presented to you or things like that. I just started recently doing commercial work. I want to do more acting work. But at the moment, I not uh represented by like a talent agency outside of my commercial talent agent and my college talent agent so i'm not doing tons of tv and acting stuff but i want to definitely pursue that yeah i uh i would love to do commercials as well yeah but uh i i i never booked one i auditioned for years and there's a whole there's a whole slew of pharmaceuticals you're going to be able to do ads for soon well no i i don't i don't know about that but um noam is referencing my my

threats to quit comedy and get into pharmaceutical sales the truth of the matter is i'm a terrible salesman yeah uh but but commercials appeals to me because it's it it's not stand-up right and stand-up gives me anxiety i don't you know dan know, Dan, are you having, I mean, I know this is LaCroix's interview, but are you having a lot of, uh, life anxiety now? I feel like, I feel like you're just barely holding it together lately.

Lately? Yeah. Actually, I'm better than I was a year ago. Um, I thought I was on the upswing. Um, well,

no, I am. I mean, I am facing a certain, you know, getting older is, it's a tough pill to swallow, especially when you haven't achieved what you had envisioned that you would, you know, at this stage of life. Now, you're older than me, but you've achieved, I assume you have no regrets. You've achieved, you know, you're the owner of the most successful comedy club in the world. You have a wife and kids that you adore,

at least the kids anyway. My 10-year-old asked me in the pool yesterday, he said, Daddy, do you have any regrets? That is an interesting question for a 10-year-old, yeah. Yeah. And it was the day you were there. Okay. And I said, my only regret is that I played so much loud music for so long that I,

my hearing is bad and we'll probably get worse. But other than that, no, I don't know. I don't have any regrets. I didn't, certain things I didn't accomplish that I wanted to. I, I was in a really, really good band at one time. I thought, uh, they should have actually made it, but, um, did the interpersonal nonsense that went on between them, that didn't pan out. So I regret that.

But other than that, no. All right. So does that make getting older a less of a bitter pill or does that make it worse? I'm infuriated that I'm getting older. And I was in Tucson two weeks ago already. And I met a trans woman who who has a company that for forty thousand dollars in oregon where it's legal they will as you get to end of your life they will put you to death and freeze you on the spot where they claim no cell

damage whatsoever the entire entire atomic structure. Like suspended animation. In some sort of whatever. It's only $40,000. It doesn't seem like enough, right? And then they'll wake you up, supposedly, when the technology is available. And of course, it'll feel instant to you.

And I'm considering it. Wait, do they want payment in advance or just upon your death, they take it from the estate? You're such a Jew. I don't know. I such a jew i don't know i didn't ask those dumb questions i that's not the point i mean but right before so how do i know who gets the interest what about the float okay well for some people on a budget they may not can i give it in euros there's an arbitrage well i'm talking people on a budget, they may not. Can I give it in euros? There's an arbitrage. People on a budget that want this option may not be able to fork over $40,000.

So, Leclerc, would you consider freezing yourself? No, I'm done. When I'm done, I'm done. Why? No, this is the biggest crock of shit. The fact that you're even entertaining this is so astonishing to me. I mean, this is such nonsense.

If I were to come to you telling you this story, you would tell me that I was the biggest idiot you'd ever met. Remember when you dismissed COVID and I said it was to be taken seriously? No, I don't remember. Obviously, there's no Yelp reviews for this product. Well, nobody's come back. Why wouldn't LeClerc do it? I feel like the point of living is the experience that you're having

with the people around you. So I don't want to come back and my wife and kids are gone. That's who I'm living for at the moment. So the idea of like... You can get new ones. Have you heard about the friends and family plan? No, I have not heard about that. You're free for $100,000.

You can freeze four members of your family. Okay, so let me extrapolate on that. So I did meet this woman with Juanita, my wife there, and I asked her in front of my wife, I said, well, if we do this together, when we wake up, are we still married? And she said, the woman who owns the company, no, you're

not because you've you've been legally dead and then you all bets are off so first of all you could choose to re-establish your relationship and now you hopefully your kids will still be around but in the future i met another guy at the same place that does IVF testing and hopes to be able to essentially allow you to design the best version of any child that you and the person you're having a child with could have with all their possible genetic combinations. So if it's two Chinese people, they can't get a round eye. Like you can't, you can't go beyond the genetics,

but whatever it is that the best that you could get from these, the smartest, the handsomest, the tallest, you know, most musically talented, whatever it is. So when we wake up thousand years from now,

not only you can have new kids, you can have the perfect, better kids, better kids. the perfect... Better kids. Better kids. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, I'm going to go out on a limb and say, you ain't coming back in a thousand years or ever, but if you want to spend your money...

Agreed. First of all, it's the last $40,000 I have. What do I care? First of all... I'm not saying don't spend it, but you ain't coming back. Look where he's laughing because he's remembering when I called you.

Listen, all stereotypes have a little bit of truth to them, right? Do they freeze you? Is the idea they freeze you before you're legally dead? Because once you're dead, that's that. As I understand it, Oregon, as opposed to, it's only of the how many states we have? 51. It's a joke, right? 52.

Oh, Jesus. Oregon is- Why? No. It's a joke, right? 52. Oh, Jesus. Oregon is- Why? No, it's 51 because Hawaii and Alaska. No? Out of the 50 states. No.

No, that can't be real. Be strong and wrong, Perry. I'm getting on my- We have territories. That's maybe what you're talking about. Puerto Rico is a territory. Now, we're talking about stereotypes and she's Jewish too, you know. I know there are 50 states, We have territories. That's maybe what you're talking about. Puerto Rico is a territory. Now let's talk about stereotypes.

She's Jewish too, you know. I know there are 50 states, but I thought that Alaska and Hawaii are... 49 to 50. Yeah, okay. He's from Haiti. But you can redeem yourself by telling us which state came into the Union first, Alaska or Hawaii.

First? Oh, I mean Alaska or Hawaii. Okay, so I'm not the only person to ask this question because the first thing that comes up. Oh, by all means. Why do people say the U.S. has 52 states? Anyway, no. Wait, wait, wait.

First of all, people could be adding Puerto Rico and Washington, D.C. as states. After all, 52 states is certainly easier to rhyme with than 50 states plus associated territories. I can't believe this is true. Anyway, you mean the. So in Oregon, as opposed to the other 51 states, you you you can they have an assisted suicide law, as I understand it. So with some certifications, you're allowed to take a live person and a doctor can put you to death. Yeah.

Which would then allow the freezing or whatever the process is to take place exactly at the moment of death, rather than after you you die we have to rush somebody whatever it is so that's their gimmick to it but i'm all in but do you wake up and you're 93 years old or do you wake up and might gain because then aren't you just gonna die no you're not again you're not suspended and and still living you're you're frozen as you. So you're frozen at, let's say, 93. Sure. So then you wake up, you've paid $40,000 to be frozen. Here we go again with the Jews.

Listen. No, no, and then you wake up and you're 93. Well, I assume if they have the power to wake you up, they have the power to make you younger. Young and beautiful. By the time they have the power to bring back people from the dead, then I think we'll be have mastered you know uh skin rejuvenation and maybe even an umbrella that doesn't bend in the wind but is that part of it

that they also make you young again or is that extra it's whatever it is when they wake you up you know you wake up but if you wake up and you only get to live one more year, what's the point? Because they're waking you up from the dead. They have the technology to keep you going. This might be the dumbest conversation we've ever had. Are you just putting us on? These are totally legitimate questions. Anyway, LeClerc Andre is only 38 years old.

That's why he's not looking to get frozen because he's not looking the Grim Reaper's dead in the eye. 50 years from now when he's 88 looking to get frozen because he's not looking the grim reapers dead in the eye 50 years from now when he's 88 yeah the notion to me that they would be able to freeze him with the technology of the day and that his odds would be good of them being woke woken up i don't know 50 100 300 years thousand who knows what it is and then they would also have the technology to reverse the aging process is very very plausible to me as a matter of fact this will happen as a certainty as i believe in other words there will come a time when the freezing process will make sense and then there will come a time

when they will be able to do these things because why wouldn't they be able to they're already they're already dabbling with that technology now so people there there's a man uh and he's making his rounds on podcasts and stuff and his whole thing is he's trying to make himself as youthful as possible i think he's in his 50s dr sinclair uh i'm not sure what his name is i know that guy the one who took his son's blood, he's doing a bunch of different things. He's doing infrared treatments. He's on a really restrictive diet. I think it's Dr. David Sinclair, I think, is what you're talking about.

Yeah. Or Brian Johnson, the guy who's- Brian Johnson, that's it. Brian Johnson. Wait, isn't he the lead singer of ACDC? Put a picture of him up because his before and after picture is bizarre. Put up the lead singer of ACDC. When he gets to it, okay.

Yeah, that's the guy. Yeah. When he gets to it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's the guy. Yeah. Uh, and let me see a picture of him. Yeah. The before and after.

Yeah. 17. Look at him at 17 versus him now. No, that's his son. He's he, Oh, that's his son.

Yeah. He's infusing himself with his 17 year old son blood. That's kind of gross. Wait, where'd he go? I'm just going to find the, Oh, anyway.

So, yeah. So, so, but that's that's almost analog um kind of uh technology still he's taking supplements and things which have always been available is that not actually technological right no he's also dabbling in stem cell research he's doing um he's doing a lot of things to to his body young and work on his vitality. We'll see.

I guess time will tell. But all these guys that I see that are like big anti-aging guys, I look at their pictures and I'm like, yeah, they look good, but they don't look like 20 years younger. Yeah, they look odd to me. That's him before and after. Yeah, he's starting to look like he's transitioned. Yeah, he looks weird. Yeah. So some people look at and after. Yeah, he's starting to look like... Oh, yeah. He looks weird. He looks like he's transitioned. Yeah, he looks weird.

Yeah. So some people look at that and they're like, oh, he looks great. But I see a very strange... That's a fish man. That is a very odd looking person. But yeah, I'm sure he looks in the mirror and he sees a good looking guy. I'm sure he's doing stuff with his hair. His skin looks weird.

Yeah. Like Kardashian weird, you know? Yeah, his hair. His skin looks weird. Yeah. Like Kardashian weird, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that looks insane. It looks like he has breasts. No, and there are, I mean, getting back to your supposition that this is going to happen one day,

there are technologies that simply are impossible. I would put teleportation in that category, for example. I don't think that's ever going to happen. That's perfectly plausible, time travel. But this is not... And also, we've got to stick around long enough as a species to get there and not blow ourselves up. I mean, Stephen Hawking, I think, said he gives us another couple centuries. I don't know.

I mean, he doesn't know everything, obviously. But we've got to stick around another 1,000, 2,000 years. That's my big question mark. Sure, let's say they do freeze you. What are the chances that America, as we know it, is going to exist and be able to unthaw you in 1,000 years? Or if the company goes bankrupt. Right.

I mean, the chance of any country, for that matter, just not going into nuclear war or what have you. America may not be here, but the company. The company's going to be under rubble, bro. Or the company may switch over. They may just switch over to another business. New owners. They might franchise burgers.

I think it's being owned by McDonald's. Of course, all these things are possible, but what's the downside? To me, it's the choice between being buried in a cemetery or being frozen. I'll take my chances with you know what fuck you guys are you my new friends are you really you're really considering doing absolutely why would you not it's just so cockamamie okay i mean i guess why not you you know look i love life i guess it's why why did i put1,000 in Dogecoin?

Because, hey, it could go to a million. Probably not. But I don't want to take the chance that it does, and I don't have any. Right. So that's a similar notion. To me, this is a no-brainer. Everybody should do it.

You say something? If you're dead, though, right? So you die, and you come back. So you would need a new social security number? How does that work? Are you entitled to all of your properties, your estates, your businesses? You are Jewish. No, I'm genuinely curious because you're just coming.

You're a new person, right? You're dead. So essentially, you were all missing the point. They'll figure it out. I mean, yeah, there's obviously, though. Look, that's a good science fiction. That's a good Netflix series. There are a lot of unanswered questions here.

You could have a whole Netflix series where these people are waking up and they're outsiders and people want to treat them badly. Yeah, I think that would be a very good Netflix series. They have something about the technology cause some quirk in them which makes them more violent or...

Also, they don't speak the language. They have to learn a new language. They have to learn new customs. Maybe they don't look the same because people will look different in the future. The last white man, you know, there may be no white people left by then. Hopefully.

All kinds of things. I think that we should pitch this to, uh, to, to Netflix. I actually, I think there will be no white people left. And I think that's a good thing.

I think that the, the future of the, the planet is to be at least overwhelmingly mixed. And, uh, I don't think it can happen fast enough. I think this, this,

this is, it's the best thing that could happen to us. What are we going to hate each other because of that? Well, but if we all look like- Height. Let's start today, guys. You're punching down. And you think that's a good thing

because you think that will solve the racism problem. It certainly will ameliorate it to some extent. I mean, my kids are mixed, right? But didn't you see the Star Trek episode where the guy's half green and half black and the other guy's half green and half black and they hate each other. Black and white, yeah.

They hate each other because one guy's black on the right side of his face and the other guy's... In other words, the point of that episode was is that we'll figure out a way to hate each other. There's better reasons to hate each other. And we'll find them. I mean...

Like Icon. The Irish and the English, you know, were at each other's throat. The Sunnis and the Shiites and so forth. I mean, the Irish and the English, you know, were at each other's throat, the Sunnis and the Shiites and so forth. I used to think that eventually we would like, you know, especially living in America, I feel like it's supposed to be this melting pot. But the more you travel in America,

the more you realize it's really only diverse on the coast and in cities. Everywhere else is very, very much a very white country. And those places are not being reverse gentrified in any way whatsoever. This place in Kansas, if I walked there, I'd be the attraction of that town. America is not as diverse as we truly believe it to be. So this idea that over time, we're just going to make more white people in the middle of America.

That's what's going to happen. No, you're right that America is still largely white, but there's a lot of white people in that number who are now married to mixed people, but white people are not having babies. So the number of white... Well, wealthy white people, like people who are white and doing well are not.

But poor white people are still having tons of babies. But white people in general have negative populations. For sure. And that actually takes its toll relatively quickly in a few generations. At the same time, we will, despite what everybody thinks about the political issue, we will be filling the country up with immigrants

because we will run out of people. And we've always filled the country with immigrants. Yes. And the immigrants are going to be brown or yellow or whatever color. I don't know if you can still say yellow. I asked that last week, but whatever. I told you last week you can.

But you can say brown and red, but you can't say yellow. You can't say red either. Is your wife... You can't say red? Is your wife... What color is she? She is white for now. Well, I think white people will stay white.

Yeah. But in other words, okay, so you're an example of the browning of America, if you will. She's an example. Yeah. But yeah, my wife, it's fine, right? I don't know. People are weird about it. Who's weird, right? I don't know. People are weird about it. Who's weird about it?

Just like people in general. A lot of people are like, yeah, people are having sex and marrying other people. But there's this big backlash of white stay with whites and black stay with blacks. And it's not just coming from white people anymore. There's a big swath of the black community. Are you getting any shit for it? If you're on stage talking about your white wife assuming you have i don't about her i don't talk about my wife wife about white wife uh that's a title for your special my white wife

i don't talk about her being white on stage uh there's a lot more things uh to talk about her that i kind of get into, but there is like, that is a thing that's happening, which I'm noticing. So this is purely anecdotal in my personal experience. So if it's not right, it's not right.

So first of all, I dated and lived with a black woman for, I don't know, five, six years. Not once, not once did anybody say boo to us.

Okay, we live in, you know, Greenwich village and stuff like that it's not kansas but but the opposite i've noticed black man white woman a black man and white woman first of all i've noticed that black women especially a handsome guy like you black women complain about it and i think that it's not just that they feel it more although they might it's that white people know better than to say that stuff out loud because people like what the fuck is the matter with you it'll talk that way anymore but in other ethnic communities there's not a price to be paid so you can openly

say what the fuck are you doing without with that white girl right and no one's gonna say what are you some kind of racist for some reason that's okay right it's it's really strange to to see how that has changed because for years people fought so hard for uh black and white people or any race to marry whoever they love but now we've kind of hit this the pendulum is just swinging back i guess and there's a huge uh it's a really popular movement actually where people, yeah, marry within your race. And it's not considered overwhelmingly racist anymore. A lot of liberal groups are actually championing. Well, you're saying it's not racist when people of color do it, but when white people do it, it's still pretty racist.

For sure. And I think it's because of the philosophy behind the idea. So a lot of times when white people are like, black people and white people shouldn't marry or mix or whatever, it's because this idea of purity and saving the white race and, you know, you don't want to muddy your blood or whatever. But this idea when black people are saying that black people should not marry outside of their race, it's to be pro-black. It's because they're saying, hey, black people need to stick together. We need to build within our communities. And we can't do that if we're marrying outside of our communities. And by the way, it doesn't completely offend me. Depends what's going on, the reason.

But, you know, there are rich cultures. Jews feel this way. I feel it even though I married a non-Jewish girl. I feel, you know, I felt that pressure. Black people have this, you know, this beautiful culture of, you know, music and food and language and warmness between them. Right. And if you say that, I don't want that to disappear and just become homogenized into one group of people.

I want to keep what we have for the planet. Like, that doesn't offend me. But 10 minutes ago, you said you want everybody to be... No, I'm saying that motivation doesn't offend me. However, there are trade-offs. On the other hand, I think that, obviously, people who fall in love with each other, that should come first,

because you only live once as of now. And number two, I think it will be better in general for the country and for the planet. But I don't, you know, I mean, I went to Japan in August and apparently I've never been there, but apparently Japan has this just totally unique culture. And if they want to keep that, I'm not like, oh, how dare you want to keep that culture? Especially when they can point to so many, I mean, this is where it gets dicey, but they look at the rest of the world and say, listen, we don't even lock our doors in our country. We don't do this. We don't do that.

Why would we want to, you're calling us racist because we don't want to move in your direction? We don't see it that way. But there are- That can be racist too but yeah i mean i think that particularly in certain asian countries there is terrible racism against black people yes yes absolutely there is and so i that's another thing is that indian people asian people they're the they freak out when their daughter brings home a black dude, white people, they might feel a tinge of it. But like I said, in most communities, not in every community, you're not really like you have to,

I'm that's wrong. I'm not supposed to feel that way anymore. I'm not going to, and you kind of suck it up. Right. That's, that's like typical, like liberal white person's attitude about it. But, um, I know, and we know them, I won't talk about them on here, but we know people in common like just in in ethnic communities that are freaking out with the most nasty vile openly expressed racism when it comes to indians marrying black people asians marrying black people so like whatever it's uh for me oftentimes when people talk about this pushback this resistance it's a cultural base oftentimes and race kind of gets conflated into the conversation but oftentimes uh even within

the black community if even if a person doesn't buy into this ideology of being pro-black they oftentimes want their children to marry a person that looks like them they oftentimes want their children to marry and continue the traditions of their existing culture. So oftentimes it's this idea of preservation that is fueling this angst or this judgment towards their children marrying outside of their culture. And that I can sympathize with as so long as the motivation isn't evil or the motivation isn't rooted in bigotry.

I'm with you. And I think you can also still preserve culture and community and these traditions outside of your race and outside of your culture so long as you root that in your family practices. So like my family's from Haiti. If I continue to cook Haitian food and listen to Haitian music and practice these Haitian traditions, then... Wyclef John? Yeah. I play with Wyclef. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. But those things don't get lost because you've married outside of your... My wife, she's a white person, but she lived in Haiti for three years. So this isn't a person who is foreign to my culture, foreign to the traditions. She loves the food. She speaks the language better than I do.

So that's something that, like, it's not going to become lost simply because I'm married outside of my race. It's about the attitude you have about embracing the cultures. Yeah, I think that's right. And in-laws also, they also want, like, if you're a Jewish family,

you want to have that, and your son's marrying someone who's not Jewish, forget about race, whatever, and you say, well, family, you want to have that. And your son's marrying someone who's not Jewish. Forget about race, whatever. And you say, well, I'm not going to have that intimacy with the daughter, the Jewish home, the things we're used to. It's, these are very human things. It doesn't, these are not. So I went to a, I might have told you guys already.

I went, I got invited to a Shabbat dinner. I told you this story. I don't think so. But I'll let you know if it rings a bell. So it's similar to this. I never was raised with any kind of Jewish religion in the home. Although extremely important to be Jewish in my house. And Israel was very important.

But the religion, my father didn't believe it. Observant, yeah. That's what you're saying. Like you guys didn't observe. Didn't observe observe didn't believe my father worked on Yom Kippur like it was like zero zero observing maybe we had a Passover Seder so I got invited to the Shabbat dinner and I actually never really been to some at an Orthodox house and I ended up going by myself because Juanita couldn't come with me,

although she would have really enjoyed it too. And I felt like I missed out on something. It was so warm and comfortable in its purity. Not exclusionary, just like everybody's exactly on the same wavelength. We all believe the same things. It was not uptight at all. They're making jokes and even dirty jokes in the same wavelength. We all believe the same things. It was not uptight at all. They're making jokes and

even dirty jokes in between the prayers. People have this probably not a good image of what they think an orthodox home would be like. It's pretty low-key and relaxed. At least this

home was. And I said, boy, that would really have been something nice to have had in my life for my kids to have. Um, and, and none of that was coming from any kind of bigotry on my part. I just, I saw how this sustained this family in such a nice way,

you know? So what are you going to do? But I already didn't. I already didn't. Well, so are you trying to implement that in your house? We do. We do sometimes,

but it's a poor imitation of it because in the end we don't believe, um, my wife's not Jewish. The kids have had it up to here with Hebrew school. It just, you know, it doesn't really work. I saw an episode of happy days of rerun,

obviously, uh, maybe Max can, can find a, a, a still photo from it where, um, uh, I think it was fonzie and richie there was this black kid that went to their school and and he needed a date and and

fonzie said where are we going to find a negro woman well you know i'd like some comment about uh finding a negro woman that was the parlance of the time that was the parlance of the time for for this black kid that went to their school in other words just assuming that any woman that he dates has to be black yeah so i i wonder if that's was that were they saying that because that's the the show took place in the 50s and they said then they and the writers of the show thought that that was the mores of the 50s or that the mores of the 70s when the show was airing it was definitely the mores of the 50s if you have you ever seen the the the uh graph of the poll of yeah that's it there's a poll

that shows what percentage of the country accepts interracial marriage and it goes from like one percent in 1950 to like 98 percent or a very, very high number in 2020. It's amazing how that's changed. So you can look that up too, Max. I think it's a Gallup poll. 98%. I'm probably exaggerating,

but not, not by much. He'll bring it up. It's, it's, it's such a high number that you would think this isn't even an issue anymore. Like you find, but it's,

it's one thing to say, I approve interracial marriage. It's another thing to say, I approve interracial marriage. It's another thing to say, I approve my daughter marrying interracial. Yeah, there it is. And that would be a more robust change.

Yeah, I don't think we're close to 90 if I'm being frank, but... Look, press images. Press images. There should be a poll. Yeah. It said it went from like 5% to 97%.

Oh, my God. Look at that ridiculous picture there. From 5% to 97%. This is people who, and this includes the boomers who are still alive who would be the slowest to change. And, of course, some people might know they shouldn't answer honestly to a pollster because you'll sound racist. But it can't be all smoke and mirrors. It really is. Listen, we don't we have because we on Twitter and everything.

I don't think we fully internalize actually how much goodwill there is in the country towards the ideals, not necessarily the way we're living, towards the ideals of having a society where people are not separated by race. There's all sorts of obstacles and we fight angrily about the obstacles. I think the cops are protecting us. I think the cops are being cruel to black men. I don't believe like this. And this can be horribly divisive because a black guy's experience is so different than a white person's experience.

And that can appear to be racism, but it's not necessarily racism. Those same people having that fight. You, if you gave them sodium pentothal, they might both say, Oh, I just wish that we could all,

you know, I wish we really didn't have racial divisions. It's not about wishing. It's about action. So there, but in the past they didn't have racial divisions. It's not about wishing. It's about action. But in the past, they didn't wish for it. That's what I'm saying. Right. In the past, they didn't wish for it.

They marched for it. They did a lot. It was about activism in the past. I'm talking about the 5% or the 3% who accept. It was only the 95% who wouldn't accept interracial marriage then. They didn't have, they didn't wish for a different country they wanted the country to stay exactly the way it was right they want to conserve yeah and now we have 95 people reporting they do think interracial marriage is good and that to me i think represents

something deeper in the way they view the world i may be naive i don't know yeah i mean i i do think that you know progress is slow so this idea idea of like this chart and us making that progress, you know, it gives people hope, I think. And people see that chart like, oh, people are accepting, you know, interracial marriage. But I see a lot of culture. I see a lot of communities. And I know that it isn't as simple as, oh, yeah, if you just go to this family, I'm sure they're going to be fine with it. I know for a fact that it's not that simple. And I know that it's not just coming from it's not a white people problem.

Also, this as long as this country is going to be multicultural, as long as we have different religions and different beliefs, as long as we have different stigmas about different people, it's going to be an uphill battle. And I don't think it's something that's going to go away in the foreseeable future. I do think that, you know, I know people who have brought, I know black guys who brought home white girls and their families like, what's going on? What are you doing? And I'm like, you live in Colorado. Like it's either your sister or fucking Susan, right? What are we talking about this is going

to happen you're going to be attracted to people or you're going to have to go out of your way to find somebody who meets a certain criteria and who knows if that's going to work let's take it out of race for a second yeah did i ever think in my lifetime they'd be showing two men romantically kissing in a superhero movie made for children. What movie is that? One of the recent Disney superhero movies. I forget what it's called. I mean, this is an unbelievable change. Yeah.

So, you know. The Eternals. But were they interracial? The Eternals, yeah. The Eternals, yeah. The Eternals. Oh, there was a gay couple in that?als, yeah. The Eternals, yeah. The Eternals. Oh, there was a gay couple in that? There's a gay kiss, right?

Yeah, that's what it's like. I can't be sure because I turned my head. She's peaking. I don't remember seeing that. I saw the movie. I don't remember seeing the gay kiss. I'm that progressive, guys. Some people don't see race. I don't see gay. It's incredible.'m that progressive, guys. Some people don't see race.

I don't see gay. It's incredible. Oh, I see it. I see it. Eternal Showcase, deafest out there. A gay kiss, yeah. Well, they really packed it like

deaf and South Asian and gay all in one. They're like, let's see how much we can fit in this one movie so we don't have to do another one. It was a lesbian kiss. I remember it now. It was great. You should have.

Oh, that was too mad. No, they put gay, but they're being deceitful. Look for two men kissing. I saw some. Of course it was.

It was two Asian women. It was two hot Asian women. And her being deaf, like, I don't know. I don't know why that's a criteria for them i don't know why they put that part in there that's unbelievable and everybody of course was like oh look at those two hot asian women even like the most conservative dads were like hey son

so so apparently my son uh benny he's 10 he went to to see. He's seven. He's seven. Oh, my son, Benny, is seven. He went to see this. No, the other one is 10. Benny just turned seven. And he went to see Boy With Uke. Is that the name of this? And he just loves this music act, Boy With Uke.

Ukulele. His name is Boy With Uke. He plays ukulele. And then apparently halfway through the concert, the guy takes off his shirt. And Benny did not like it. He said, Mom, we gotta go. I don't like this anymore. We gotta go. Like, it's Boy With Uke?

Well, no, this says it's a deleted scene from The Eternals. Let's see it. Oh, that's another gay scene. Alright. You want this now anyway my kids have seen gay scenes of men so i mean if that's not the movie it was another one but anyway but my son was like i don't know he didn't know how to react to this i don't i don't know if it's because it it in him, he found it attractive, or because he was turned off by the fact that it was homoerotic. I don't know.

No, you're totally assigning. He's way too little to think that that's... To be turned on? He's not too little for that. No, he's too little to think that that's like a sexual thing no he's not yeah he is i do not think that seven-year-olds are watching somebody take their shirt off and assigning that like a sexual vibe feels right absolutely i'm in complete agreeance i do think that at very early ages you start associating skin and nudity with with sexuality seven for sure yeah yeah oh boy

especially as a boy are you kidding me oh yeah yeah man summer times i used to go crazy i'm gonna look at all this flesh at seven seven yeah absolutely man absolutely yeah i i didn't even know what to do with it i didn't know but did you know that what you couldn't articulate it though it was just like a feeling you're saying not an erection i couldn't articulate it, though? It was just like a feeling you're saying? I couldn't articulate it, but I was rubbing myself against the mattress. Against the babysitter. No, you know very early on that when you start seeing nipples, even if it's a man's nipples, it's just like, man.

Wait, now hold on a second now. You lost me at man's nipples. My son was seeing a boy with you. I never got turned on by a man's nipples. My son was seeing Boy With Luv. I never got turned on by a man's nipples. No, I'm not saying I got turned on. I think that's what you said. It didn't sound like it. Can we roll the tape?

I think we got our clip. Gay comedian LeClerc. So, yeah. So, anyway, of course, I remember watching Star Trek. And there was always some hot alien that Captain Kirk was making out with, and I would get a hard-on. I didn't understand why. And it was sexy music.

A sexy future music. Yeah, yeah. That's what they're going to play for you when you wake up in the year 4027. Are you saying at the age of seven you had no grasp of sexuality at all? I don't think that I just don't think that you're realizing

that that's what it is. In the same way that an adult would. I didn't know that you put your penis in a vagina. I didn't know that whole thing. But I did know that a pretty put your penis in a vagina. I didn't know that whole thing. But I did know that a pretty girl was of interest to me. Absolutely.

That I did know. If you want more specific, Nellie from Little House on the Prairie. Who else? Oh, the bionic woman. Really? I love the bionic Woman. Really? I love the Bionic Woman, Lindsay Wagner. I didn't care about the plot. I didn't need to see her running,

but I'd like to see her in her outfit. That would be a great poster for your apartment. Lindsay Wagner? What am I, a fucking teenage boy? No, like a vintage Bionic Woman poster. That's a cool poster. Dan, we haven't checked in with you for a while. Yeah, go ahead. What are you doing for love these days?

Not much. Not much. Going to concerts? For love? Are you getting older? Do you still feel the urge? Yeah. But not that way like I used to,

but almost out of breath feeling that I used to have. You know, like almost going crazy. Not that. That's gone. Which I think is a blessing. When did that stop? Maybe 40. What did you say?

Maybe 40 years old. 40. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think that's right. I think 40 is when uh it begins to um become as as was it i can't remember socrates plato's socrates said that uh the male libido is like being chained to a madman oh yeah i think that's around 40 is when the madman at least can uh be we're going this way i'm sorry you went over the tables have Mad Men. But it doesn't seem...

Yeah, I don't know if there's much of an advantage to having that. I mean, I guess if you can satisfy... Oh, I miss it. Even then, you satisfy it. It's only temporary. It comes back and it's angrier the next time. But can't you guys take pills for that?

Take testosterone shots. You mean to get it back? Yeah. But we're talking about that with Robert and Big J. Yeah. I don't know. Would you want it back? Yeah. But we're talking about that with Robert and Big J. Yeah. I don't know. Would you want it back, though? Yes, but I'm not sure.

I'm not actually sure that you can just get it back by taking testosterone. I'm sure it helps you. I don't have low testosterone. It's not super high like Leclerc. I've heard great things about testosterone. Yeah, I've heard great things about testosterone yeah i've heard great things what'd you hear i heard that uh there's like very little if any downside to taking it and every person that i've ever heard speak about it who's on testosterone they don't even talk about getting off it it's like yeah this is just the new norm i feel better than ever recovery is great my libido's up how

old are these guys like in their you know 40s 50s even closer to their 60s i hear a lot of people everybody who speaks about it they're like yeah definitely i would think 60s is when you would really need it i mean 40s you're still young enough maybe it's not a well it also depends on lifestyle so if you're a person who's fit and you're working out that it just cutting back on recovery is is amazing like the fact that you can just work out whenever you want to work out. You can do new things. You don't have to worry about being in bed for the next two days because you're exhausted and your body's not recovering. And, of course, you know, it'll help in your relationships if that's something that you need help with.

Well, that's a question. How's it going to help in your relationships if you're horny all the time? That could hurt your relationship. If you got a young girl, man, you got to keep her around, right? Yeah, but this is this is the the question will it help the relationship you know you're we're in show business here right yeah keep them wanting always keep them wanting so like and then of course if it like everything's okay now if i start getting really horny all the time and like she might think that's what she wants, but after all, she'd be like,

shut the fuck, I don't need it. I didn't marry a 25 year old. And then all of a sudden I might, you know, God forbid cheat. Like you don't know, you don't know. I'm saying you don't know where these things can lead. It's kind of like- You'll get frozen before you plan to.

It's like a morality play, you know, where you think that's what you want and think what you wanted and they all end up dead. I mean, I think I have two ideas for future guests. One,

a guy that gives testosterone treatment so we can ask him all these questions and also the people that are doing that life cryogenic shit. No,

I have a better idea. Okay. The second one is good. Let's get a doctor to give us testosterone. Yeah, but I'd have to think about that because I, you know, I'll pay. I'll pay. I know what you're testosterone. Yeah, but I'd have to think about that because I, you know...

You won't have to pay. I get what you're saying. No, not because of the money, but because of potential side effects. I mean, Leclerc says that everybody says there's no downside, maybe. Not permanently, just one dose. One shot.

It lasts for like, I don't know, two weeks, whatever it is. I think it lasts for a few months, actually. months yeah the people who take it who cycle on testosterone they take it like a few like maybe three or four times a year if i'm not mistaken now are you going to also pay for the prostitutes i'll pay for the prostitute i'll pay pay for it all, Dan. But I think it'll be a great show. Yeah, okay. I mean, yeah. I mean, just as long as there's no, you know,

permanent, you know, side effects. Priapism? Well, no. No, priapism is... They said that Bill Clinton had a priapism. You look at priapism already? No. Oh, priapism is a penis that won't go down.

A result... Okay, testosterone result. Effects on sexual interest appear after three weeks, plateauing at six weeks. No. Priapism is a penis that won't go down. Testosterone results. Effects on sexual interest appear after three weeks, plateauing at six weeks, with no further increments expected beyond. Changes in erections, ejaculations may require up to six months. Effects on quality of life manifest in three to four weeks, but maximum benefits take longer. So I see. So you got to ramp up. It's a lifestyle. You got to be on it. I think but maximum benefits take longer. So I see. So you got to ramp up. It's a lifestyle.

You got to be on it. I think you guys should take this. Well, once you get off it, once you get off it, it's not like you all of a sudden have like a withdrawal. You get pressed. Okay, well, that would be

in the negative column. I think your levels return to normal pretty quickly. They don't return to below normal. In other words, there's no like rebound. I hope not. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. You're not going to damage your testes. All right.

I'd be curious. I think you guys should, before you take it, actually do a survey before. Your happiness levels, your motivation levels, your drive, all that stuff. Take it before. And then three weeks later, do another pod and do the same survey. I love how they're listening to you like you're a doctor. Oh, it's a good idea.

When you look like Leclerc, people listen to you. We should try to see how many times you can have sex in one night. I'll pay. Okay. But it's got to be the same woman. Okay.

Because otherwise, you need to. That sounds like a great deal. Well, it'd be better if it was different women. I think the control

is important, right? To make sure it's like, just a bunch of different women. Yeah, anybody can

come going all night, right? All right, I'm going to see how we can do this. Now, you need a prescription. You must,

somebody else. You must be able to write one of those. If the clerk has it must, somebody will do it. You must be able to write one. If a clerk has it, he can write a prescription. He must be able to get some on the street for us. We'll ask, I'm seeing Robert Kelly

later tonight. Why can't he write a prescription? Is he on it? We were talking about it with him, but I don't think he's on it. He's probably a doctor. He goes to the cigar bar

in Elmsford and all the guys are on testosterone. I'm sure he'll know how to get it. Yeah, I'm sure he'll know how to get it. Yeah, I'm sure any doctor will write you a prescription. Yeah, I think your regular physician will be able to write it for you. Well, but they probably want you to do a blood test.

And if you're not eligible. Yeah, that's probably a good idea. Yeah, that's maybe a good idea not to take it if you shouldn't be taking it. I mean, they want it to be testosterone level. And if it's not actually low. Oh, I see. I don't want street tea. Maybe they won't prescribe it to you because you're not...

I mean, they're doctors after all. They're not supposed to just be giving it, but I'm sure Robert will know what they're doing. Well, corrupt doctor is one thing, but not on the street. I don't want a street... A corrupt doctor. I think you can get it online too. Yeah, well, I'm not doing that.

May I ask a question about a different topic? Estrogen? No. What? Comedy and Haiti. Yeah. Like culturally, that's interesting. There are actually a couple of Haitians.

Did you ask ChatGPT to write questions for you on how to interview a Haitian comic? No, I think it's really... First of all, he's American. But you were not born in Haiti. I was born in America. Right. But his family, like. Like Will Slevin's.

Will actually still has the accent. You know Will. Well, he has a speech impact. And TJ too is. TJ's really, he was born and raised there. TJ's Haiti. Yeah. But his, your family's from Haiti.

And when I'm, I'm guessing that when you told them you were a comedian, they were like. No, it's not good. Yeah. It's not good at all. Yeah. Haitians. I think most like immigrants in general are just even though they moved to America for the dream.

It's a different dream. They want the security. They want the insurance. They want the. That's not real. Right. But like when you're born in America, you have a different set of dreams. It's like, oh, we see Hollywood.

We see all those things. So our just understanding of what America has to offer is just very, very different. So did your parents grow up there? Yes. My mom and my dad both grew up in Haiti. Is your dream just to make a living as a stand-up comic or you want the brass ring? I think, I mean, comedy is such a unique sport in that, like, I think we're so lucky to do this. It's such a crazy thing that we get to do.

I'd rather do commercial work. I mean, you say that, but, like, I don't know if commercial work is as satisfying in the moment as stand-up comedy is. Of course not. So when I do comedy, of course, my mom, of course, she wants to be rich. When Haitians moved to America, my mother thought that every American lived in a castle. Like seriously, she's very sincerely, she believed that every American lived in castles because- When you say castle, you mean a big house? No, like a castle. With a turret and a moat.

Yeah. So in Haiti, of course, the images they were getting from America were from Hollywood. They're seeing Baywatch. They're seeing all these incredible shows. You can see all in the family with the queen. They're not watching Good Times in Haiti. They're watching America at its best. So when they see this part of America and they move to America, they're moving to America to pursue that.

So they really push their kids into industries that will ensure that they have access to those type of things. So my mom, she didn't even know what comedy was. When I was like, I'm doing comedy, she's like, okay. Everybody does comedy at the dinner table. What are you talking about? But, yeah, when she started seeing that, like, it can provide a lifestyle and that you know you get paid to do it you make an honest living she's like were you good in school i was good in school yeah especially compared to like my brother my siblings were didn't take school seriously at all so when she saw that i was

i was good at school she was like yeah you could do whatever you want and i was like i'm gonna do comedy she's like i don't know except for that yeah don't do that what's the origin of the overalls the clerk always wears overalls that's yeah i so um this is a weird i don't know but like for me i uh before i used to get on stage sometimes it would take me a long time to leave the house because i would overthink what i'm wearing on stage so for a while i was just wearing black for a little bit uh and then the pandemic hit and i started like doing trucking work on the side, and I would wear overalls when I was going trucking and stuff. And then comedy was picking back up, so I was trucking and then doing comedy at night.

Oh, that's great. And I was wearing my work overalls on stage, and people were like, I like the overalls, I like the overalls, and now I'm doing comedy again full-time, and it's just like a reminder that every time I get on stage, I'm getting on stage to work. Well, it's also a look at people remember you. I mean, that might have some marketing value, I suppose.

It's great. You mean like you used to deliver stuff to people's houses, that kind of thing? No, I was just doing produce. I was doing big produce deliveries. I love that. And now it's something I just continue to do. But there is something to having a signature.

Look, Dan and I were talking about that. I was is something to having a signature look we dan and i were talking about that i was saying that he could dress more like um a throwback to like the 50s would be like a really good look for him if very memorable and like suits his it would match his voice are you um like killing it on that's more like a costume no not it doesn't have to be though all these clips are are in black and white. That's amazing. I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea. It's not a bad idea.

Don't listen to him. He wants to get frozen. And also, audiences are dumb. They need visual association. I think it helps. When I see comics, when you close your eyes and think of Eddie Murphy, I see him in the leather suit. I think it helps when and think of Eddie Murphy, I see him in... They're the leather suits. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it helps when you think of Red Grant.

When you think of comics and you close your eyes, you have looks for them. It worked for Dangerfield. It works for every comic. Dave Chappelle's always with his C. Even Bobby has his glasses. I mean, there's... Chappelle wasn't always.

But I just saw Raw the other night. Oh, motherfucker. What? Y'all don't realize. Anyway, go ahead. My Eddie Murphy. Boy, did I enjoy it. Yeah.

It still holds up. We talked about this also. I mean, he is one of the most talented people ever to walk the earth. He's a cheat code. He has everything. He has the voices. He can do impersonations. He's musical. Yeah. He can sing. Yeah. He has everything. He has the voices. He can do impersonations.

He's musical. Yeah, he can sing. Yeah, he can legit sing. Yeah, I think his party all the time hit number two. Wow. Number two. Rick James wrote that? Yeah, he did. But yeah, that dude, he had everything.

Also, he was 22. I mean, the writing maybe wasn't overly sophisticated or sharp, but he was also 22 years old 21 years writing was perfect it was fun it doesn't need to be sophisticated i mean like he's not trying to be that he's trying to be that and for that which but also the idea of a 22 year old commanding a stage like that is pretty unusual to command to have that authority that he had at that age. We can't think of anybody,

even Chappelle at that age didn't have that. So I can't think of anybody else that had that at that age. No, I've never seen anything like it. Yeah, he's special. No, and Marnita and I were watching, and we were laughing. And comedy doesn't generally hold up. No.

And by the way, the kind of comedy you're talking about, like the clever, blah, blah, blah, that holds up less. Because what stuff he was joking about is much more universal, doesn't age as much. Relationships, accents, you know,

taking half a wife, leaving this kind of... Well, I mean, it's like the honeymooners fucking each other in the ass, I don't think holds up necessarily. Oh, stop showing off. I'm not showing off.

Why am I showing off? Why does it hold up? Well, first of all, The Honeymooners is a reference that anybody under, you know, 50 wouldn't get. But also, it's, you know, it's a little easy.

When did you become so bitter and sneaky about praise? I think I just said he had a command that I've never seen anything before or since. And a 22-year-old, that doesn't mean I have to like every single thing that he's ever said or done. I can say one thing that I didn't think held up. Okay.

But still enjoy his Richard Pryor taking a shit or Bill Cosby saying, you can't say Flarn, Phil Flarn. You know, that's enjoyable. I don't have to, you know. And I also saw, and not all of it holds up i've gone back to listen to some george carl and stuff not a lot of it held up but and and you know i'm a i love richard pryor but i think he did like three or four full-length movies i i don't enjoy the last everything other than the first one, which I think,

and I think I read about it in Wikipedia, Eddie Murphy called the first one the best recorded stand-up comedy performance ever. You know the one I'm talking about with Leon Spinks and the monkey died. It's just unbelievable. And I was always, after that came out, couldn't wait for the next one.

And the next one was so, so, and I was always chasing that experience of that first movie that was so fucking funny. I don't actually think Richard Pryor lived up to the hype after that first full-length movie. Some of the records were good, but that first full-length movie was just...

I've never seen anything like that. Have you seen that one, Dan? I have. What's it called? Richard Pryor. Is that the Hollywood Sunset one? No, it's before that. Is that N-Words Crazy? No, no.

Can you look up first Richard Pryor movie, Max? The one on the Sunset Strip has the most memorable title, so everybody thinks that's the one. Yeah. It's just like Eddie Murphy live in concert. It's a nondescript title but you should go watch it and that actually is it's just live in some way sophisticated what's that it's live in concert yeah maybe it's just live in concert yeah can you bring up a thumbnail

of it i'll tell you that's from uh the 70s i guess oh yeah i'll call a color picture from yeah that's the one yeah 79 is that that was how I fell in love with stand-up. Richard Pryor? Really? Yeah, Eddie Murphy was the guy for me. That was the hook for me. And you know, at the time... Eddie Murphy, by the time you were watching him,

was already 20 years later. For sure, yeah. When I watched it for the first time, I felt like I was watching it in black and white. It was already old to me. But it was i felt like i was watching it in black and white it was it was already old to me um but it was it was still fascinating and also he had a such a grip on for a 21 year old he spoke to people of all ages and immigrants loved eddie murphy he was he was he was just so electric he had that whole bit about the africans coming and saying eddie murphy fuck you everyone because he was a

new yorker so like when he did italians you could tell he was speaking from a real place when he did africans he was just he just captured all these cultures and communities and people of all ages loved him and it was fascinating to watch an entire family could watch eddie murphy's brilliant i remember my father saw beverly hills cop yeah he and not, I mean, we own a comedy club then, I guess we did, but he wasn't, he wasn't like into comedy. He just,

he just was totally charmed by Eddie Murphy. Yeah. I mean, he was the biggest star in the world for a while. And then he stopped doing standup for like 20 something years,

right? Well, Hollywood wrapped him up. He's done. Yeah. He's cooked. I don't think he's ever doing standup again.

It's unfortunate, but I understand. I completely get it, man. Or it's like his legacy is that, and it will never be. Nobody's ever going to be sitting here being like, his last comedy albums weren't as good as his first.

When I've seen him over the years, recently, something dark came over him. He's not friendly. He's not warm. I don't know if he's bitter i i have no idea in real life or just the vibe i haven't seen him in person just like i see appearances or at the snl uh 40th anniversary whatever it was he's he's not his vibe is not good not like

not what i'd like it to be well i think that people remember him as this electric 22 year old 25 year old he's he's in his he's 50 he's a 50 year old man and he's well well north of 50 well yeah well he's people still expect him to be this electric youthful performer he's he's just an older man it's hard i mean he can never match that energy he can never match that performance level um and he's also been super famous like for the lion's share of his life. So I think he's just living in a very foreign space. He's not a person

who could be anonymous anywhere. But like Steve Martin, who was also a huge star. At 17, 18, was he on SNL? No, not quite as young, but pretty young. But he's been famous for a very, very long time.

He was already going gray when he became famous. He had to be maybe 30, I'm guessing, when Steve Martin, he's premature time. You know, he was already going gray when he became famous. He had to be maybe 30, I'm guessing, when Steve Martin, he's premature gray. But anyway, his vibe is still good. Yeah. I feel like Eddie Murphy's unhappy in some way.

I mean, that's just what I get from it. I don't know. What the fuck do I know? I may well get him on the podcast. Oh, I'd love that. Some people just don't enjoy fame as well. Maybe. I believe that.

Some people are just famous for too long and they're just like, take away the money. Let me be anonymous somewhere and let me get out of it. Well, I believe that. Some people are just famous for too long and they're just like take away the money let me be anonymous somewhere and let me get out of it. Well I think they like the money they just don't like

the lack of anonymity. Of course you think they like the money. But there's no downside to money. If you really don't like it then you can give it away.

The downside is Dan people want to borrow it. That's infuriating. And also That's worse than having it. And give it all the way if it's so awful i was just gonna say also just um to finish what i said before which it was

richard pryor and andrew dice clay were the that like i remember listening to andrew dice clay on cassette tapes yeah when i i just i had never heard anything like that before in my life. And it just blew my mind that like finally you're hearing somebody tell the truth. Wait, was Dice Clay was telling the truth? He was playing a character.

It's the opposite of the truth. It was Dice and it was Richard Pryor and it was Howard Stern. Like those were the three. And then I played Dice for my father and it was the first time I saw him cry

from laughing so hard. Okay, but it wasn't the truth. Well, but he was saying things that were- Hickory dickory duck? No, there is something. I'm gonna take, stop the recording for a second. I'm gonna take Perry outside here for a little bit.

Even though he's playing a character, there was something truthful of a guy sensibility, the stuff we feel that we're not supposed to say. There's a truthfulness to what comes out of that character's mouth. I mean, I have friends who still quote that stuff today to make points, to make points about relationships. That's why people use puppets. Puppets can say whatever the fuck they want,

and people use them to get points across or say things that they can't say. Are there any, no, looking back. Marriage counselors do. Looking back at people like, you motherfucking black blah, blah, blah. No, that was the puppet. Looking back at Dice Clay, Sam Kinison,

Gilbert Godfrey, people like that, comics like that. Is there anybody doing that kind of comedy, that kind of character comedy anymore? Maybe Attell is the closest. Of course, Attell has been at it for a long time. Attell is Attell. That's who he is on and off stage. Yeah, so, you know, is anybody doing that anymore? Is that just for one reason or another just an extinct or obsolete form of comedy? Harrison Greenbaum claims to be straight.

But on stage he says, I know, his opening joke references the fact that people think he's dead. It's just a joke. Okay, okay. But in other words, I don't know that that, I think that brand of comedy might be dead. Well, maybe.

I mean, I think the person who comes to mind who's at least like a little bit close to that is probably Sebastian Maniscalco. He does like these very kind of like big. I don't know if it's quite as extreme as Gilbert, for example. What's that woman's name? Maria Bamford. Maria Bam example. What's that woman's name? Zarna? Maria Bamford. Maria Bamford. She's very talented.

Maybe she is kind of in that category. Have you seen her? Yes, Maria. She's very gifted. Has she ever been here? She's been here a couple times, but I've seen her. It's like she's really unique. Zarna does a caricature, a little bit of,

I don't know her well enough to know what's real and what's exaggerated, but there's got to be some exaggeration there. Oh, yeah, sure. See, so you guys know who Michael Blackston is. Michael Blackston, he used to wear dashigis. He plays this African character. And I don't know how much of it is real i i just i know that

when he gets on stage he has this very very thick african accent but he was like he came up in the scene with kevin hart he's like very much a philly guy who has of course his parents are african i think he was born in africa but i think i do think a lot of comics uh the characters that they play on stage are so close to who they are off stage now that you're not seeing a difference where it's like, oh, that's definitely a character. When I first saw Mark Norman, I was like, that can't be a real person. Did you think that Keith Robinson really had a stroke? Or he was a great actor but uh but yeah when i when i see characters uh when i see comics on stage i like to assume they're pretty close to who they are off stage and then like like yamanika yamanika

plays this really aggressive character on stage you get off stage she's hugging and kissing you she's the sweetest person in the world so uh i think because she's not over the top. Well, I saw her mad recently. And it was the person. I think she just has both aspects of her personality. She's sweet and warm, but she's also loud and aggressive. I think, yeah, I saw a flash of temper. And it's real. Right, but her comedy voice is all temper.

It's all attitude. And I don't think she gives the other side on stage. She also, apparently she grew up, I believe this is correct, she grew up in church.

For sure. So she's much more clean cut than she comes across. Right. Or at least she came from a more clean cut background than you would think.

Yeah. I think that when people grow up in like very conservative environments and they get the chance to express themselves, it's the most perverted or the most foul behavior. So that's why you see people who are like,

oh, I grew up in the church, and they're just potty mouths or really sexually liberal. All right, Periel, anything else? I think we're out of time. Yeah, this is good. I'm happy you came on I'm happy to be this is fun man you guys are really good at this

oh thank you finally somebody gets it by the way I think you're on to something with with my with the outfit I don't dispute it I think that you don't dispute it. I think that you...

Well, don't try it here first. Stop. I'm serious. Well, it's just going to be the same jokes, but just a different outfit. Right, but the comedians, if it doesn't work for some reason... It's going to.

All right. Go ahead. Listen to her. It's just going to be a change of clothes. It's not going to be a whole... Okay, okay, okay. When did you become so bitter and negative? I'm saying that if he's gonna try something new it's not a nice supportive bunch of people he works with okay

and and if and if if they have something they can make fun of he will never live it down one time 20 years ago i tried a dj in the in the olive tree one night. Keith Robinson to this day. To this day, he makes fun of me about it. This is literally 20 years ago. This memory survived two strokes. Well, that is a valid point. No, but I think that if you're going to do it, you have to own it.

And also, we can be supportive of it. Listen, I think that if you're going to do it, you have to own it. And also, we can be supportive of it. Listen, I think that... Saying give it a spin somewhere else? That's fine, but I think that you have to commit to it. You work at Rodney's? From time to time. You're already doing the scariest thing you can do in comedy. Which is? It's comedy.

You're already doing the thing that's most intimidating, the thing that gives most people the most anxiety. what is a what is a uniform what is a voice what is a yeah i think it's just enhancing you you know there are certain things about you that are unique and i think that those are at once the things that you know where you shine and you're brilliant certainly your comedic brilliance and i think that your look could enhance that like you know, where you shine and you're brilliant, certainly you're comedic brilliance, and I think that your look could enhance that. Like, you're kind of leaning into that character.

Okay. And I'm not saying put on a fucking costume. This is kind of like the Seinfeld episode where they talk Babu into opening the ethnic restaurant. Oh, I thought with the fluffy shirt. The puffy shirt. Open a restaurant of your, I thought with a, with a fluffy shirt, the, the, the, the, the puffy shirt, open a restaurant of your,

you know, anyway, um, just one of the, one of the note, uh, this week on the, the Barry Weiss podcast,

honestly, is it called Seinfeld Seinfeld interview? No, everything's going around is about Israel. And you know, that's, that's a small part of the podcast. However,

I listened to it today. He does about a half an hour in front of very insightful talking about being a comedian and comedy. Off the top of his head, like I'm sure he's discussed this stuff before, but I was astounded at how fluid and fluent he was and how insightful he was. Like, I don't usually like to hear that stuff.

It was fantastic. Every comedian and every person listening, everybody should listen to that. It was excellent. Best interview I've ever heard him give. Okay. Okay, podcast at ComedyCellar.com for comments, questions, and suggestions.

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