The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Sean Patton

Episode Date: December 9, 2022

Sean Patton's multiple television appearances include Comedy Central’s Live at Gotham, Late Night with Jimmy Fallon and Conan. His debut special,  Number One, produced by Michael Che, is available on Peacock. 

This is Live from the Table, a Comedy Cellar-affiliated podcast coming at you on SiriusXM 99. Raw Dog, again on the Laugh Button Podcast Network. Dan Natterman here, along with Noam Dorman, owner of the world-famous Comedy Cellar, the ever-expanding world-famous Comedy Cellar. Periel Ashenbrand is with us. She is our producer, whatever producing means to you

we also have with us sean patton a comedy seller regular he was here with us not too long ago he is back he is from nolens i believe new orleans louisiana him along with uh mr mark norman a couple of cajuns that have uh and there's also, of course, Matthew Broussard. He's from Western Louisiana, I believe. The Jersey, the New Jersey of New Orleans. Well, I don't know much about New Orleans, but he says that he is Cajun. Are you also Cajun?

Everyone in that region has some Cajun blood in them. Mark's from the East Village of New Orleans, and I'm from the Staten Island of New Orleans. And then there's Richard Ronevich, who's also from New Orleans, but he actually was born in Montreal, so I don't count him. Oh, they keep coming.

One day will be another. The prophecy has spoken of the one from the Cajun lands. Well, it's sort of a Cajun invasion, if you will, here at the Comedy Cellar. Before we get to Sean's new special, number one, which we want to talk about a couple other things. First of all, Perrielle's animated short, Stupid, S-T-O-O-P-I-D, is now running on YouTube. So we've talked about it before, but Perrie I'll just bring us up to date if you would. Stupid at the Comedy Cellar.

It's an animated short format talk show. We have 10 bite-sized episodes. Each one is with a different comedian, except for the first one, which is starring Mr. Noam Dorman. And it's doing really well so far on social media. They're being released every Monday on YouTube. Oh, cool.

Why don't you release them all at the same time? Because I don't think anybody's going to watch every single one. We want to build up a little bit, a little bit of anticipation. I do agree with her here when it comes to that. You're all wrong. No, no no because because because hbo uh which still releases things in the traditional weekly format does get better views than most shows that just get dumped on and you forget because it's it's a one-time push and then it's over 70 seconds that's all that's that's a that's an eon

in the new world and like wait are you voiceover acting, Noam? Yes, I am. I'm voiceover acting. The multi-talented Noam Dorman. Didn't we record one with you, too? Yeah. You're going to be in season two. Did I?

I think so. Didn't you come up here and tape one with me and Marcus Monroe? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Mine is the funniest one. That's the problem. It really is.

You've seen them all? Yeah, I saw them all. General consensus is not that yours is the funniest one. That's the problem. It really is. You've seen them all? Yeah, I saw them all. General consensus is not that yours is the funniest one. I love yours. General consensus people told me. No one would ever say anything not nice to Gnome. Yours is amazing. They're all great.

What's the funniest one? Dan's was funny. Dan's is very funny. They're all funny. And I mean, I love Rich Bosses. Folks. They're funny. They're all funny. And I mean, I love Rich Bosses. Folks. They're great. Folks. They're all great and we have amazing comics and it's so

exciting. We've been working on this for like two years and the idea is to sell it or get it. So the general consensus is not that mine was not the funniest. It's that they're all great? Yes. Well, it's a general consensus. It's very general. It's just very general. The general consensus is. Well, it's a general consensus. It's very general.

It's just very general. A general consensus is general. They only say very general things. I don't know. Listen, people could be bullshitting me as much as they're bullshitting you. What's the specific consensus? When does that come into play? Anyway, you can watch them all on YouTube. All right, stupid.

And you can't just put in stupid because there's a lot of things that are called stupid. So you go stupid comedy seller or what I like to do is Google stupid Perrielle. Now it's not on the comedy. Am I wrong in assuming the comedy seller does not have its own YouTube page? They do.

Yes, we do. I have a YouTube page, but there's nothing on it. That's not true. Gotta lean into that. That's the future. I have a YouTube page, but it has nothing on it. That's not true. Gotta lean into that. That's the future. But you're also wrong. There is a Comedy Cellar YouTube. Every single club is going to be a network in five years, and your YouTube page is a network.

Well, here's a question. This show, wait a second. You're done. You had your final question. No, this show is on the Comedy Cellar's YouTube page. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Who authorized that? You did. Oh, no, I did not.

Not stupid. This show. Oh, this show. You also did. Only my episode is on the YouTube page. And actually, you did authorize the other, but we decided not to do that. Why not? What's wrong with our YouTube page?

Here's my question. What should be on the ComedyCenter? Clips, like you were doing back when Comedy Central was still around. There should be clips, really well done, like Mint Comedy, they're super great, but that style, you guys should just be doing on your YouTube page.

You don't seem to understand, Sean, that Noam is too old and too rich to give a fuck. No, no, it's not that at all. I'm not... Which one aren't you? I'm not too old. Which one aren't you? No, the truth is,

and this is a godsend truth, and Dan knows this, the idea of coming to the comedians and wanting to use their material in a way that's obviously going to benefit the club rubs me the wrong way. It's something, it's very hard for me to ask them to do that because unless I can offer them money, say, listen, I want to use your clip and here's what you get in return, then I don't ask because I don't feel it's right. I'll throw up a little more money and know that it's, I mean, has someone, as Dan said, a favorite. Yeah.

Did you say favorite? You said regular. I don't recall that. I say favorite. Favorite? I don't disagree with it. Noam and I share a similar thing. The consensus is favorite.

My consensus. No. The general consensus. But I know if you came Noam and I share a similar thing. The consensus is favorite. My consensus. No. The general consensus. But I know if you came to me and were like, hey, I want 15 minutes I want you to give to me for the YouTube. I would do it in a fucking heartbeat. Right. Because I'm completely grateful.

What would you want for it? But look, I mean. The exposure. The exposure. The ticket sales that come on the road. Comics are already posting shit on Instagram. So we can just echo stuff on our stuff. That's fine.

But, I mean, to make it look real good, like those Mint shows look, make it look real fucking good, put a little production into it, you've got the tools, and just turn the YouTube page into a network so in five years from now, people aren't just shooting their special at the VU

and then putting it wherever they put it. Is it your girlfriend does stuff like this, like graphic design or something? She is a graphic designer, but we are no longer the girler, but we're still very good friends. She does a lot of stuff like this. She's excellent at it. But... I mean, if I could farm

this out to somebody who's young up and coming, like Matt Salacuse. Well, someone's in the camp of the comedians, because honestly— Salicuse, a guy directly doing special. Nicole. If it benefits the comedians, you know, and they say, no, this would help us. We would like you to, you know, renovate your YouTube page because it would benefit us.

Of course, I want to do that. I don't really see it as a way to increase business for the club, but then I may be short-sighted. It absolutely will because in five years, YouTube's already the biggest streaming service in the world. And it's only increasing. It's only getting bigger. And if, you know,

in five years or less than that, the YouTube page, y'all's YouTube page has 100,000 subscribers. Now you're talking, that's 100,000 people who see it and multiply that by what? Five or six more a day? I mean, that's the kind of viewership

where, hey, you start making money off ads so you can pay the comedians. I mean, what you could do, no, I'm sorry to interrupt, is not just post clips, but maybe do something a little bit special. Like we're going to have a night where the comics are going to do topical humor,

like your show on Comedy Central that we had. That show was fun. And part of your YouTube channel will be to do that show that we had on Comedy Central called This Will Get the Comedy Cellar. But you can do it the way you always wanted to do it, which I think was a little bit different than Comedy Central's vision.

Yeah, but Comedy Central was paying $1,500 a week to the comedians. I know, a show. But I mean, you could afford that. We all know. And secondly, if the viewership's there and the ads- You'll make money. You'll make the money to pay for everything. I don't think the ads make that much money.

Oh, that's not true. So you need a lot of people watching. They make a lot of money. They make real money for people who watch a lot. Soon, and then one day someone goes, I'm doing a special. Oh, who with? Oh, with the seller.

And they know to go to the sellers. Also, short films. I would love to do a short film about a ragtag group of comedians who suck, who couldn't get past at any clubs here, who decide to rob all three rooms on a Saturday night, the managers.

Let's do it. How much you need? Is that a joke? I'm not kidding. How much? I think we could shoot that movie who decide to rob all three rooms on a Saturday night, the managers. Let's do it. How much you need? Is that a joke? I'm not kidding. How much? I think we could shoot that movie for 10 grand. Deal.

Yeah? Yeah. All right. It's a deal. I want to do it. Done. I want to do it. Done.

All right. 10 grand. 2023, because I got to write it first. 2023? Yeah, but that's in a month. Can we? That's a real deal I do We'll talk about it

I'm going to send you a script, I want you to give me notes I'd love to be involved, but it's your call You're producing it now Yeah, but That's fantastic, I'm excited Alright, sweet I would like, if I could, to move along, because we do have a lot to talk about How much do you need then?

To move along, how much do you want? Speaking of comedy clubs, Caroline's Comedy Club, it was just announced, is closing its doors as of the end of this year. There's some ambiguous talk that Caroline, they tweeted

some ambiguity as to keeping the brand going and doing other things, but without any clear indication of, of what precisely other they're going to continue to be involved in the New York comedy festival, whether or not they're going to open up another comedy club. I don't know, but in any case,

their Times Square location is closing down at year's end. And of course, a lot of comics are posting videos from when, from, you know, their sets on stage at Caroline's and posting memories of the club. So that's a pretty big deal, not since Dangerfield's closed.

I don't think we had a comedy club closure in New York City. That was a couple of years ago during the pandemic. The Dangerfield's closed. So I don't know if anybody has any thoughts about that. Well, a good club closing. I'm sure there's been a couple of the... Well, there might have been some smaller rooms and bar shows that have closed, but I mean an established club.

Yeah, I mean Caroline's was definitely top five. Caroline's been around since 40 years, they said. Since the 80s. Yeah. But approximately, I guess, when you started the club here, around that time they started. I was never at the original Carolines. I don't remember where it was.

I think it was Chelsea, then it went to the Seaport, I think so. Seaport I was at. The original Carolines was supposed to be a quite magical, the last place Bill Hicks ever performed. Wow. And the original Carolines? The original Carolines was the last place he ever did a set. I think it was the original. I'd never been there, but people used to really speak, like, enchantedly about it.

And then the Seaport room was, you know, pretty slick. I thought it was professional, you know. And then this room in Times Square had, in my opinion, been let go considerably. When I went there a few times, it was like nobody knew what anybody was doing. You couldn't get a seat. You couldn't get service. It looked like the wires were hanging off the ceiling a little bit.

It looks like there was already – the attention had been abandoned. Someone said they stopped booking – they were only using newbies for a while, too, because they didn't have to pay them as much. Yeah. They didn't have to. Well, the Carolines was doing the headlining format mostly, right? I mean, I. Yeah, that, too.

I mean, I guess that. So they would have one act that did 45 minutes as opposed to here at the Comedy Cellar and most clubs where everybody does, say, 10 minutes or 15 minutes. I feel like every. I mean, even Gotham, even Gotham now does showcase style. They don't do the weekend anymore. But Caroline's was doing the headliner the whole time. I really wasn't paying attention.

I think so. I haven't really, I never worked Caroline's very often. Yeah, same. I don't think I've been there in at least six years. It's sad symbolically to me because it's just a big name, and it was around when I started. Yeah, I did a set there a month ago, and it was good, so I'm glad my last set there was a good show.

But when that room was hot, it was fucking amazing. But when it wasn't, it was big. That's the thing. It was big. It was, what, 300 seats? The Village Underground, Noam, your biggest room was about 250? 200. 200.

So this was what, 350 at capacity? It was a big boy. And some, yeah, when it was full, it was awesome. When it's a full room and they're laughing, it makes a difference. They would cut it down. Yeah, they had curtains and they would cut it in half. But everyone's aware of that. But you're aware of that. You're aware.

Everyone's feeling like the, oh, it's a curtain vibe. It's a curtain. Yeah. So I know you do that too when it's necessary, but it almost never has to happen. We haven't had that a long time. But I didn't even know there was a curtain. There is. In the underground.

In the underground. But that's seldom necessary. But, Noam, as a competitor has fallen, of course, that, I guess, provokes a reaction from you, perhaps, in terms of less competition or it doesn't matter. I don't think they were on the same plate. Well, I have to be honest, right? Well, I would prefer it. No. Oh, thank you.

No, when a competitor finally closes. Finally. Yeah, it's usually because it's a last gasp. So the benefit is really not going to, we're not going to feel the benefit of a competitor closing because they're only closing because they're not doing much business to begin with. Right.

So, you know, I... It's not good for the comedians because it's spots, it's fewer spots being given out. That is true. It's fewer spots, yeah. I wasn't personally fond of... I didn't have a great interaction with Caroline. I didn't know her.

I never met her. But just, you know, there was a time when they would really kind of talk down to us. You know, everybody should learn, like, don't ever talk down to anybody. You just don't ever talk down to anybody. What about you and Perrielle? It's like Carlito's Way.

You know Carlito's Way? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, you know. Penny Blanco. Yeah, you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, you don't- Penny Blanco. Yeah, you don't need to do that. So years ago when they first started the comedy festival, they wanted us to, they wanted Esty to judge some sort of comedy competition.

And Esty would judge the competition and first prize was a spot at Caroline's. Wow. Yeah, this is what I say. I think talking to Lewis, so or like so yeah so let me understand so we will be and then like like and the first prize is is to go to the better club right i said why i didn't do it but just just the request always rubbed me the wrong way that shit is weird and they also did like i just they also were big i believe they were 100% behind the whole bracket-style stand-up competition thing.

Maybe. Let me just say, it's quite possible and even probable. They had no idea how I was going to take this. So it might just be my own thing. Because I've had deals with Lewis after that. He was nothing but a gentleman with me. Lewis was their booker. But anyway, I'm just being honest. a gentleman with me. Lewis was their booker. But anyway, I'm just being honest.

It stayed with me. The club, yeah, I don't know. These things make me nervous because ideally I would like every club to be packed. Because part of you is saying to yourself, you know, for whom the bell tolls. That's right. Metallica song? I mean, what's better? If my income is going to remain constant,

I would rather know that we're attracting 30% of the people going out to see comedy on a Saturday night as opposed to what may be 90% sometimes. The comedy seller is, pouring the market. But, you know, I think we're doing certain, we do a lot of things different than any other clubs do. We just do. You do. Like, for instance, if you wouldn't mind giving one or two trade secrets that no one's going to steal from you anyway. I can't give trade secrets, and there are some significant ones.

But in general, we're hyper-concerned about our customers in a way that no club seems to show any interest whatsoever. I mean, I spend my day, my first two hours of the day or so, going through emails, answering customers, offering refunds if they're unhappy, just dealing with following up on how come the waitress didn't check on, the person said their martini was not dry enough. Sometimes we get that comment and I'll go and I'll look up or as Liz, as let's look up the table number, contact the waitress.

Did you check on this customer? Why are they complaining their martini wasn't dry enough? Like down to that kind of detail. And I'm not bragging by the way, because that's like bare minimum what you're supposed to do. If you're serious about customer service business, like it's psychotic not to do that however they don't do that so there are also customers who make unrealistic i mean i've seen it not here specifically but i've seen it over the years at comedy clubs where it's people who like they had no intention of actually going to see a comedy

show they what they were expecting was completely different and not suited to them. The customer's not always right. No. Almost always. Sometimes the customer's unreasonable. A lot of the times the customer's... What about when customers... Not our customers.

What about when customers complain about... Really? I mean, well, that's because... If I may, from my perspective, it's because the sellers created an environment where it's very honest what it is. Like, this is a comedy show. Some of it might rub you the wrong way.

You agree to take that risk on yourself. It's not on us. But then you get people who come in there and decide, no, it is on you. That comic set of things. Oh, you're talking about people who are offended. That's a whole other universe of things. Oh, you're talking, you mean specifically with

service. Yeah, I'm talking about service, just the way they're treated. And we have problems in our organization. A lot of times the customers are right. But in terms of being offended, we had a little spate of it recently, but in general we don't get much of that. But if they are offended, I give them, you know, I say,

I'm sorry, you know, here's your money back or whatever. You know, or come to see another show. Here's your money back or whatever. Or come see another show. Check the lineup more carefully next time. Do they do the thing where they're like, I don't want the money back. I just want you to know. Usually they take the money. I'll tell you what the comedy seller does from my perspective that I don't think other clubs do but i may be wrong is the

and and this by the way is not necessarily good for for me but the comedy seller is constantly on the lookout for new acts sure in a way that i just my limited experience with the other clubs i don't think they are they're not hungry to find new acts they have their people a lot of clubs cultivate or not cultivate, that's the wrong word, but they sort of corral and do a thing where they're like,

you're with us now. And they become cliquish. And it becomes cliquish and it becomes like, it becomes this loyalty thing where it's like, what are you going to perform elsewhere for?

We got you on stage. We've been putting you up since you were a kid. It's like now you've been making them host since they were a kid and now they're successful. We're like family. We're like family yeah i hate that but i but i feel like

here you're like all right you're in here now awesome we treat you like family we love you there's love but we will get rid of you but also you know get out there and do your thing well i know if you're not doing the job you will be gotten rid of at some point just so you know and you know this when we open opened the Underground, I did not ask a single comic to work there. You know, like, the Chris Rocks and everybody who come in,

I didn't even mention it to them. I knew eventually they would hear about it. Because I did not dare to say, listen, you know, essentially we're saying, like, come on, you know, we've supported you all this time, would you come work our new club? Because the only reason they should work there is because they like the room. Otherwise, every time they'd work there,

they'd be like, I'm about to fucking do this guy a favor. And then they would stop coming because they don't want to be asked to do favors. That's what I do. If I know someone's going to ask me for something, I just avoid it altogether. Right, right, right.

And I feel like that extends to everything. People should be loyal but nobody should be asked to do something they don't want to do in their profession out of loyalty i want any fucking comedian working at the club right to be loyal to me they should work at the club because it's right for them well loyal in new york specifically loyal to the craft, meaning out there doing sets, staying good, staying sharp. So when you're on any stage, but specifically here, you're at the top of your game. I think y'all respect that.

I think you see if I'm like, oh, I got to run to do a spot at New York Comedy Club or I got to run to Gotham. I never feel weird saying that to someone here. Because I've had it before where I'm here and I'm doing a spot and i got another spot later and liz will be like holy shit uh we got to drop out you want to go on in 20 minutes downstairs i'm like i can't i got a spot across town and she gets it she's never been weird absolutely cool go do it and i come back and it's like other clubs there are not all of them but there are clubs that would be like oh so you got to go do the other and you're like well you want me to stay on top of my game, right?

Yeah. That's what, you want me, like, this is why I love. That's how mistresses act. Well, I love Liz so much because. No, she has this stance of if you're just always hanging out here, that's not how you get past. Yeah. Like, you should be out. Well, but it's not a negative.

It's not a negative. Not a negative thing either. But like she's saying, like when you see like comics, because you go down in that olive tree sometimes and there are younger comics I've seen who are just in there every night hanging out. And I'm like, what are you doing? They might just enjoy hanging out. It might not be that they think that's the way to get in. No, they do. But no, there's loyalty at all.

I alluded to this and you didn't really address it, but there's loyalty work at all the other way i mean i've been here a long time for example how how bad would i have to be for how long before you'd show me the door or would there be any extra credit given for the years i've put in no well there have to be some you're a human being at the end of the day you're not totally a robot you do have some personal feelings. Yes, of course there's some. I don't... There is, but to be honest, I don't know if there should be,

but there is. I've been through these things. I mean, you have to understand that it's asking a lot because if you go on stage and you don't do well and it becomes predictable that you're not going to do well, this is my livelihood. And it's asking too much. You know, that's my, you just said my biggest fear, becoming predictable in any way on stage.

It's just something like... But even the other way, because there are some people who go on stage and just robotically do a good enough job, but you can tell there's no passion. You don't want to be that. I want names. I will never.

But that is a good point. So, you know, I mean, if you were, if it was my son, let's say, who's a comedian, and he stopped doing well, I would cut him loose in a heartbeat, because it's my son. I can get away with it. I don't have to

deal with all the bullshit. It's not that I'm disloyal to my son. It's like, listen, we're running a business here. This is not, a waitress could work for me for 30 years. And if a waitress began to predictably tell the customers to go fuck themselves, loyalty would not require me to keep that waitress there. I'd be like, I'm sorry, I love you, but I got to get you off the floor because this is a business.

So having said that, it's not that easy because in real life, you do, when business is good and we let it ride. I've been through this stuff, but at some point it has to come to an end. Also, other people see it if like people are sloppy and they get away with it. And that has an effect also. Right. I guess. I mean, you know, loyalty has to do with like I won't deal with commies like I'd have musicians. I have a gig with me every year. No, they worked five nights a week.

And then they get offered $300 extra on New Year's Eve or something. And they would take the $300 extra and lie to me about it. That's not fucking loyal. That's not loyal. That shows no integrity. You're grabbing $300 extra when you get work and you're lying about it. So, you know, and comedians do that too sometimes. They'll cancel at the last minute for a marginal amount of extra money

and give us a bullshit story that we uncover was bullshit. That bothers me. You know, I don't do anything about it, but, you know. I can tell you this. One of my greatest joys here at this club Making the audience laugh is amazing Of course But when you make the band laugh

When you make Red or Jeremy or Ronaldo laugh That's the fucking moment Because not only I mean yes the wait staff hears everyone's jokes But they are sitting there on stage With you Feeling every moment with you. I find Red is...

When they laugh, oh, it's the best. I find Red is very generous. I can't judge, but Red is the pianist that's up on stage at the Village Underground. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For those who don't know. I find his laughter very generous. It is generous. And quite honestly, I can't go by him.

I have to go by, I go by the audience, of course. Of course, always the audience. But I mean, always the audience. But there are times when Red laughs a lot harder than the audience. Yeah, but man. And then I say, well, that's all fine and good, but I'd rather the audience laugh a lot harder than Red. Yeah, I don't want to just be making Red laugh,

but I'm saying I've seen him on stage just not laughing before. And you're like, I get it. He's heard this before and it's killing. But when you are, and you're like i get it he's heard this before and it's killing but when you are when you're killing and if i'm having a great set and then he's still dying i'm like double you know and if you hear the staff laugh too it's like that's important these are people who you are technically working with like you've got to make their job a little easier for the wait staff yeah i think, Noam, relies on them to keep tabs on us, if I'm not mistaken.

Sure. Is that true? I used to. Listen, if you woke up one day and were no longer funny, Right. I would sooner give you money

to help you pay your rent than put you on stage. That would be loyalty. He's been my friend for 20 years. He's having a tough time now. I would treat it as if you lost some other job. Like, be quincit. Like, you lost a job with me,

but I would say, well, if you work for someone else and you lost a job, you're my friend. I'd say, well, yeah, of course, I'm going to help Dan pay his rent for a month or two because that's loyalty. But asking me to give you stops. I'm not sure two months would cut it.

You're talking about a permanent loss of sense of humor. Well, whatever. You've got to carry me the whole way. That would be... You've got to go work Greenwich Village for one year. That would be loyalty. But asking somebody to get spots when you're not funny,

that's too much to ask. Yeah. Well, thankfully, people... No network is going to allow a show to stay on the air badly. They're going to cut you loose in a second. No, they'll just give them another show. Just move them to another show. Well, fortunately, people generally don't lose their ability that abruptly or that completely.

I mean, some people lose motivation and they stop writing. Usually, you can coast on old jokes anyway. People get in their head and convince themselves that something's wrong and then all it takes is... But I've never seen anyone really lose it to any significant degree. And actually, sometimes when it's someone who's really funny having a rough time,

it's kind of fucking fun watching them. It's kind of hilarious sometimes the way they struggle through it. And you're like, holy shit, this is also... That's how you know someone's funny. If when they're struggling, you're still laughing. And then they get through it and you're like holy shit this is also that's how you know someone's funny if when they're struggling you're still laughing and then they get through it you're like dude that was i'm not going to tell you that was a great set but i will say i was laughing i've had that i've seen that numerous well usually if they're struggling guess what guess guess who's going to struggle next you because if somebody that's very good

and very skilled is struggling the audience is probably the issue. Which would you prefer as a comedian? Would you rather deal with a high-energy, like a rowdy, uncontrollable audience or a dead, tight audience? Which one would you rather deal with? I think dead and tight. Same. Yeah, I don't like rowdy. I'd rather bring them to life than corral them. Yes.

Let's talk, if we could, about Sean Patton's new special. Speaking of life. Unfortunately, we don't have commercial breaks. Sometimes these transitions do get a little abrupt, but we do have different topics to discuss. Number one is Sean's debut special on the streaming service, Peacock, the NBC streaming service, produced by our dear friend, Mr. Michael Che.

Michael Che. Oh, wow. An 800-pound gorilla. Of SNL fame. You don't need my 10 grand. You'll be surprised. Streaming doesn't pay. I bet you have Michael Che.

Go ahead. Explores everything from obsessive-compulsive disorder to the broken yet unbreakable bonds of his family. It's a heart wrenchingly hilarious tapestry of his personal experiences. How many of you, by round of applause, have ever had an anxiety attack whilst high? On marijuana specifically I feel like other substances are designed to freak you out weed's supposed to melt you out

so if you've never had an anxiety attack while high imagine something terrible and then make it unexpectedly worse so it's like being bitten by a snake, which already sucks. You're already like, oh God, oh no, oh no. And then as the snake slithers away, it hisses the name of your ex.

Samantha. Fuck you, snake. Did she send you? Tell her I died in another woman's arms. And tell her that woman begged you to bite her as well so she could join me in the afterlife. But no, then tell her that I stopped you from biting her and let you bite me some more

because I wanted you to live your best life. Tell her I'm not selfish. Tell her I'm not selfish. Filmed at the world-famous Tipitinas, which is I guess a jazz club? It's a music venue in New Orleans. In Nolans, as we call it. One word if you're from down there, isn't it? Don't you call it that?

The way a true New Orleanian would say it is New-all-ans. Like that. Like a new-all. People always go Nolans, and It's like you're dropping the U for some reason. Well that's how I thought y'all said it. New Orleans. New Orleans. I do a bit about it on one of my albums but a true New Orleans accent sounds far more like

a fucking cop. Like a guy from like a firefighter from Brooklyn. Give him some Valium. And once those take effect now you got sort of like a New Orleans accent. Just sort of like a loaded guy from Brooklyn. How come you don't have an accent? If you live in the city, city part and you've been gone for long enough, it's like any accent. It's like Boston.

I mean, Jared Freed is from Boston, isn't he? I mean. And he doesn't talk. And then Bill Burr. Fuck yeah. You know, and Robert Kelly have those real thick Boston accents. I mean, Norman. Norman's from like the city as well. He sounds like a carnival

barker. It's at a certain point. But he doesn't sound like a New Orleans. He just has a weird voice. It's not New Orleans. If I call my mom for 20 minutes, it comes back. But it sounds far more New York than it does. People think it's like,

is this made out of alligator? I need a gumball right now. And it's like, that's, if you go, if you've watched Adam Sandler's, The Waterboy, you think that.

Which is actually, where he set that, I think he was aiming like, Lafayette, Louisiana, two hours west. Did you read Confederacy of Dunces? Absolutely.

Many times. Many times. Oh, it's a fantastic book. And I hope they never make it into a movie, because it will be destroyed. They've tried a million times. Ignatius Riley is too specific of a character for any living actor right now that I know of, anyway.

A young John Goodman, maybe. Was the accent written well? Yeah. Oh, hell yeah. That book's a work of art. It's a masterpiece. Well, I've never read it. I know Colin Quinn, I think it's his favorite book. Oh, really? It's one of his favorites. Makes sense. It's a work of art. It's a masterpiece. Well, I've never read it. I know Colin Quinn, I think it's his favorite book. Oh, really? It's one of his favorites.

It's a work of art. What about your obsessive-compulsive disorder? What are some of your real-life obsessive-compulsive symptoms? I mean, so obsessive-compulsive disorder is a spectrum. My version of it, it doesn't show. I talk about this in there, but everyone assumes it has lot to do with like tapping and counting and washing your hands and like i do all these things you just would never notice you really do them yeah but you not so much anymore but like growing up and as a young man it was constant and it was it all had to do with control and all that to do with

uh preventing nuclear apocalypses and family members from being murdered all things you thank you for your service you're welcome thank you and all things that you realize are not actually real but it's a disorder for a reason there's some mental some neural pathways that still allow you to acknowledge and entertain these ideas and they become preventative through these characters through these ticks it's an anxiety anxiety right well it's anxiety is a side effect of it i think it more has to do with part of the spectrum you're on right but it's it's a it's intense but i got you know therapy it doesn't go away like any mental disorder you just learn to deal with it and i talk about that in the special

where it's just like here's all the i mean, I spent years of my life doing insane shit that I knew was crazy and hiding. Can you give us a for instance? Microwaving. I talk about a special. I microwave. I used to microwave absolutely nothing for exactly 33 seconds at midnight on the dot every night for upwards of six years straight. Wow. Because that kept, prevented jesus from

coming back that prevented the biblical apocalypse apocalypse the day of reckoning to me and there was a correlation jesus was 33 years old when he died right uh microwaves unleash nuclear you know not but radiation um at the time when I started doing this was the 90s when there was all this fucking talk about, you know, it was post-World War or post-Cold War, but there was a lot of, who else has got nukes, nukes, nukes, nukes, nukes, nukes? And so me microwaving nothing for the years, the seconds of years that Jesus died during.

I didn't know 90s kids worried about getting nuked. Yes. Because in the 80ss we worried about the Russians and I remember as a kid hearing a plane flying overhead and wondering oh is that the Russians coming to bomb us I have a question about this tell us a story of the first time you didn't do it

that came when I started doing therapy when I was like 18 years old and you knew earlier in the day tonight I'm not going to do it. I did it last night. Tonight is the night. Tonight I'm not going to do it. Was there a couple times you tried it first

and then you, fuck it, I got to do it. There was one time I truly panicked where I just, because this would also happen when I was not home. If I was sleeping at a friend's house. If I was at a relative's house, I would find a way to be around a microwave and mike like i can vividly remember doing it one time and my cousin

being like wait what there's nothing in here i was like oh shit i forgot and then just microwaving a piece of pizza that i didn't want and acting like i'm a dumbass i forgot to do it hiding shit you got so good at hiding shit if a door slid instead of opened, I had to walk through it backwards. Backwards. That one specifically had something to do with being erased. So they were all correlated to preventing something. They all had.

It was all about prevention. It was all about control. So the first time you didn't do it, you decided you weren't going to do it that night. And then midnight came and passed. And you still weren't sure what was going to happen or you were sure? I definitely, I mean, we're talking about 20 something years ago,

but I can definitely tell you, I'm sure I had some real anxiety moments for the hour leading up, for the hour after I didn't do it, and then the next day waking up, and then when I stopped doing it, I know when, it was right around when Kosovo, that was when Clinton launched all the missiles at Kosovo,

I remember having some real issues with it then. Now just imagine if by coincidence that night, something happened. Exactly! Dude, I'm telling you. 9-11. I'm telling you. I guarantee out there is someone. John Stewart will be raising money for you. I guarantee that happened.

That's so fucked up. Somewhere in the world it did happen. I started watching your special because I got a special link from NBC or whatever. Stop showing off. You had it too. You just didn't click on it. Go ahead. Okay.

Oh, now, yeah. You also had that opportunity. It looked so beautiful, like the way it was shot. It does. They did a great, Eric Abrams, the director, he knows his shit real well. And he did a fantastic job. Yeah, I love the way, I love everything about it.

For years, everyone I talked to, I wanted to do my first one in New Orleans. I talked to so many production people over the years who were like, what if we build you out a stage on Bourbon Street? Hear me out, hear me out, and we'll have producers behind the stage sort of vetting people as they walk by.

I'm like, no. Or it'd be like, what if you did it on a Mardi Gras float? Or what if you did it during Jazz mardi gras float or what if you did it during jazz fest at at jazz fest outdoors before the i'm like no how about we just do it in a venue that if you know new orleans you know exists in new orleans and that's it that's it i'm not gonna come out wearing fucking mardi gras beads i'm not gonna ride a goddamn nutria out you know i mean i'm gonna do a special in my hometown in a fucking dope-ass venue. How about that?

And so how did it finally come to pass? Like, how did you put all the pieces together in the end? 800-pound gorilla came and said, we want to do it. We want to produce it. We'll put up the money. Thank you. Who's the head dude of 800 Gorilla? His name's Ryan.

I can't think of his last name right now because we talk that much they were fantastic to work with and then we shot it and I gave it to Michael because he had always said he wanted to produce a special but he's a busy man and I gave it to him and he was like done let's do it I'm in and he brought it to Peacock

and he was like let's make this happen and they did and I'm in. And he brought it to Peacock and he was like, let's make this happen. And they did. And I'm very grateful. But man, it was 20 years in the making. Congratulations. But also, yeah, well, thank you. No, it's amazing.

It's wonderful. It really is. I'm very happy with it. It's long. That would be the one complaint i can already hear people coming at me with but how long is it 87 minutes oh wow it's a chunk but it's got a narrative to it it's not just a bunch of non-sequitur shit there's like there's a flow to it and at the end it's like there it fits it's a piece and i love it i don't at this point i could care less what most people

think you have to get to that point as a comedian i think but i do say this with all i love the special i watched it i edited it i gave all the editing notes i got surgical with it because i gave you know i wanted the best possible version of it to be out there and did you do one was there at one performance or multiple performances two two same night yeah same night two 90 minute shows the same night? Yeah. So is the second show was not probably

quite as energetic as the first, I would imagine. No, I mean, actually, the second one is where a lot of the footage comes from. The second one

is probably 60% second show. Wow. That's a common thing from what I hear. Usually the second show. Because they get the kinks out? I don't know. You get the kinks out? I don't know.

And also you find little moments where you're like, oh shit, I didn't say that in the second one. Yeah, I guess that could be. But you're also a little fatigued. I guess the energy level is given what's at stake. Yeah, I know. I'm a performer guy.

I like it. I do it. I get it. It's a workout, but I love that shit. You know. I'm also just a performer guy. I like it. I do it. I get it. I get it. It's a workout, but I love that shit. So, you know what I mean? I'm a fucking lunatic. I don't know. No. Sometimes I think my voice is completely gone right now. Probably unnecessarily so.

I shout a lot. But, you know what I mean? I love it. I love it. So number one, it's, and that's also a triple entendre referencing, obviously it being my first, but also the subject matter has a lot to do with that title.

You'll see what I mean when you watch it. Yeah, there it is. Well, best I can plug. I'm sorry. It wasn't very funny plug. There's very few comedian specials that I look forward to watching.

I came out a little bit wrong, but I mean, like I actually really want to go't a very funny plug. There's very few comedian specials that I look forward to watching. I came out a little bit wrong, but I mean, like, I actually really want to go home and watch Sean's special. You're a supporter, Noam.

You always have been. I am a supporter. You should have the link and if you don't, I can send it to you. I think I saw the link, yeah. Noam,

can we, can I address anything you'd like, brother? Your recent episode with Hatem that you did with your podcast. Yes, the one Dan sent me an email. Oh, my God. Very disappointed.

You should see what I got before you got that. Go ahead. Well, that's between us. But it was pretty much the same email. Noam did an episode. Noam has another podcast. You know, he's a moonlighting on us with Hatem, wherein he discussed Dave Chappelle's

monologue, which was a big news item a few weeks ago. It's getting a little stale now, but anyway, we discussed it here on our podcast, and Noam decided he didn't want... He didn't really say anything, but he didn't want to discuss Chappelle.

But he discussed it on this other podcast, so I was wondering why he didn't want to discuss it on this podcast, but was okay discussing it on the other podcast. I didn't want to discuss it on the other podcast either, but he asked me, I don't think he was as aggressive with his questioning as you were.

I don't really remember the discussion to be honest you said the same thing basically that you had said to me well I said that I felt like if you were going to discuss it, it shouldn't be from a hotel room

in Israel at like 2 o'clock in the morning I was in Israel, that's probably why so I said like if you were going to discuss it, that at least it should be something where you were fully present. Listen, it's a touchy subject.

I would prefer to, when I get a chance, speak to Dave and find, you know, the monologue was probably purposefully a little opaque. It's a little, you know, not sure where it was coming from, what he meant.

And, you know, I don't really know what to say. Since then, you know, now that he's come out, kind of done the full Nazi thing, you know, it's easy to forget that he hadn't... You're talking about Kanye. Yeah. Dave, he hadn't done that when Dave did that monologue. So you know, it's easy to forget that he had... You're talking about Kanye.

Yeah. Dave, he hadn't done that when Dave did that monologue. So you can do, how could he say those things if Kanye's a Nazi? But he didn't know at the time that Kanye was out there praising Hitler. I don't think it would have been the same monologue if he had. He hasn't been here, Dave, I don't think, since the monologue, I'm guessing. Since that, no, he hasn't been here Dave I don't think since the monologue I'm guessing since that no he hasn't been here since that he was here that before

the day before maybe that night he was there but he hasn't been here since that's why it's tricky to put so much of so much of the weight of the social conscience on comedians because it's like I mean the one time I got to

during the pandemic went one time I got to, during the pandemic, went, you know, I went to Chappelle's place with Saifa and Will. In Ohio. In Ohio. Just hung out and all the comedians there, Michelle and Moe, and it was fun. And like, you know, at one point he gets a call from Kanye and has to like step away and take it. And comes back and it just sort of you know doesn't really talk about what you know my point here is that he's obviously friends with a guy yeah and the guy did some outlandish shit and then he's got to do a monologue on snl what

two days later so it's like that's why that's why sometimes i get it's like the expectation of comedians to just always say the 100% right thing in big moments. No, because supposedly, and I don't know this for a fact, but this is what I heard from a pretty reliable source, is that that's not the monologue that was approved by SNL. Oh, I heard that too, that he just whipped it up. Yeah. Listen, you touched on something which I actually think is very true, which is that when you're friends with somebody, it's hard. When you have a relationship with someone. I've actually been there when Kanye's called also.

I was there one time when Kanye called Chris Rock one time. So, you know, people are friends with each other, and then you have a friend who's someone you're friends with and they're manic depressive and they go off in a manic state and they say something ridiculous. You don't want to throw your friend under the bus. You only want to throw them under the bus if it's like

let me get to the bottom of this first. You know what I'm saying? You want to know. Even if you get to the bottom of it, it's just hard. You don't have to actively bottom of it, it's just hard. Like, you know, it's just like, yes. Right, but you don't have to actively support, like. Sure. Also, the two things that Chappelle said that I didn't like didn't have to be said. It would not have been throwing Kanye under the bus to not say those things.

Was it the thing about all the Jews in Hollywood? No, the two things that I didn't like were once when he said, look, Jews have been through a lot. This was, I guess he was talking about Kyrie. And he goes, but you can't blame that on black people. Kyrie was nowhere near the Holocaust. As if anybody said otherwise. As if anybody, nobody's ever blamed. I mean, Jews are pretty well aware that in terms of the history of Jewish suffering, the black role has been minimal, if that.

I don't think anybody suggested that. The other thing he said that I didn't like is when he said when it's Italians, it's a mob. When it's blacks, it's a gang. And when it's Jews, it's a coincidence and you can't talk about it. The implication being is that Jews are the one group you're not allowed to talk about,

but everybody else is fair game. Well, I don't think that's true. Ask Roseanne Barr whether that's true. Ask Shane Gillis whether that's true. They were both effectively canceled for saying things about other groups of people. So I think that's an unfair statement. So I don't, is that anti-Semitic? No, but it's incorrect incorrect and it's bad information

oh of course and let me be clear i'm not siding with anything chapelle said no i'm not saying what i'm saying like the idea is the idea that you can't throw i understand he doesn't want to throw kanye under the bus and i understand that and i get it but i told you what i thought he meant by that but i don't think not saying those two things that I mentioned would be throwing Kanye under the bus. Anyway. I think what Dave meant was that black people are not the people who have murdered and abused the Jews throughout history. And all of a sudden there's a hair trigger when a black guy says, you know, something, you know, fairly, uh, you know, indirect or maybe it's direct, whatever, but a black guy says something about the Jews. And all of a sudden in Chappelle's mind,

everybody finds it very, very easy to come down really, really hard on him when they're not so quick to come down hard on non-black people who are also anti-Semitic. That's what I think. That's where I think he's coming from. Well, that's where he's coming from. I don't agree with it, but he may be coming from that point. And that's what he means. He's like, we're not – the Holocaust wasn't, black people are not responsible for the Holocaust. You can't say that we are,

so whatever, something like that. Meaning like, we're not the people who are abusing Jews all the time. So like, I think that's what he meant. Okay, nobody said that that was the case, but Kanye West has gone on like a full out anti-Semitic spree. Yeah, since then.

And has incited like millions of people on the internet. Listen, I'm going to tell you what. It's insane. I have a very good friend. You know I did. You met him, Wig, who is a manic depressive. And when he would go into a manic episode, would say horrible things

including about me and tried to hurt me one time and this is mental illness and it just is mental illness I don't know how you judge the problem is that your friend didn't have 6 million people on a platform

worshipping him what he's saying. What Kanye is saying is horrible. And the effects can be horrible. Fucked up. But in terms of the moral culpability of a mentally ill person, I mean, when a mentally ill person kills somebody,

we often say they're not guilty by reason of insanity. If a mentally ill person says something, you know, I'm not quick. I mean, I have to understand as much as I don't like it. I don't want to excuse anti-Semitism. I say, well, I don't really know what I'm dealing with here. This guy goes on TV a week later with his black mask on. It's like, this is not, you know,

it wasn't that long ago when, what's her name, Ilhan Omar, said, it's all about the Benjamin, the Jews are hypnotizing the world. Basically what Kanye was saying. And the Democratic Party just folded in front of her. And she's not mentally ill. So, yes, honestly, all upset about Kanye. Well, you know, he's a crazy person. The Democratic.

People were upset about Omar, too. It's not like they were letting her off the hook. They did let her off the hook. They were upset for a day or two and then they were going to write a bill like censuring her and then they changed it so it wasn't censuring her. It was just like a generalized

criticism of bigotry including Pacific Islanders and blah blah blah. You know, they blinked. They didn't want to take her on. So in that sense, I'm kind of like Team Chappelle. Like, really? But there's like real life things happening all over the country now. Yeah, well, crazy people actually kill people.

That's my point. Real life things happen from mental illness, but that doesn't make it not mental illness. Also, really quick, when I said Kanye had 6 million followers, that was not a Holocaust reference. Oh, we heard million followers that is not a that was not a Holocaust reference we heard that slipped out that was not a Holocaust reference

we know it was he probably got 8 million followers we know it wasn't really 6 million well as you know I as somebody

Noam said it as somebody who's gone out as gone on record as not believing in free will I don't know where you draw the line between mental illness as an excuse and just you are who you are as an excuse, but that's a more philosophical question, I suppose.

But it's an important question, because if the guy is expressing a mental illness, listen, when Dylann Roof shot up the black church church and killed i don't know how it was it was more than 10 20 people it's it probably that i can't remember these numbers of these terrible things that happen but anyway they happen to fucking they happen it's insane but um people said listen he's he's crazy you know and that that was not an excuse of his behavior but it happens probably to have been true he's like like fucking crazy. He's hearing voices, whatever it is. Kanye is out of his mind.

He's clearly out of his mind. Yeah, that mask that he was on Alex Jones' show. He's out of his mind, although even when he's medicated, I think there's a good likelihood that he's no great lover of Zion. Well, I will say this. I believe that these mentally ill people are

products, their manifestations are products of what kind of seeps into their brain from their atmosphere. So it's not a coincidence that a mentally ill person from the deep south all of a sudden becomes a vehement anti-black racist who wants to kill black people because he's soaking up those racist vibes all his life. And then it expresses through his mental

illness. And I'm sure that Kanye in some way is expressing kind of his, you know, rank anti-Semitism of the world that he's from. But you know what? I mean, you can't compare Kanye to like somebody like Dylann Roof. I mean, this guy for somebody who's quote unquote so mentally ill is navigating his way, making billions of dollars. It's a wildly successful businessman. That's what manic depressive is. They have manic episodes. Like my friend Wig would be totally crazy, seeing things like talking to bottles, like literally fucking out of his mind, wanting to kill me. And then a few months later,

he'd be his old self again, like normal. That raises a question. What did Susanna Hoff mean by Manic Monday? There doesn't seem to be, for years I've wondered, what was manic about it? Well, I mean, also... Was she having racing thoughts?

First of all... Illusions of grandeur? Yeah. Prince wrote that song. Well, yes, he did. Also... It was animated fame. Fame.

Fame. Fame is fucking deadly because also you see, and we've all seen it, when people start making money off someone, they get surrounded by an impenetrable offensive line of sycophants. Who will just feed them bullshit and feed their ego and feed their insecurities because they think that keeps them creating, thus keeps making people money. It's really sad.

It's really fucking gross to me. It's really sad. I was having such a Kanye moment. I hope it never happens to you. Fame. I'll be a loft-hold name at best. And that's where you want to be. But wait, I'm sorry, Peril. No, I was just saying I was having such a Kanye moment

before all this. It was like the only thing I listened to all day long for months. Was Kanye music? He's a genius. I mean, his music is... I'm not familiar with his work, but I know he's quite popular.

Can we say also a word about... I'd be remiss if I didn't bring up Kirstie Alley, who died this week at the age of 71. 71? It seems young to me now. If I were 25, I would have said, well, she had a good run. Wasn't she just in Wrath of Khan like two weeks ago? Wrath of Khan, I think it was 1982. How did she die?

Do they know? Cancer. It was cancer. And I don't think she talked about it. Well, I think she didn't have it for very long, it sounded like from what I read. It might have been just a vicious, aggressive cancer. I don't know.

But it did hit me in a way that I probably would not have predicted, I guess because... Ted Danson's going to outlive everyone from that cast. Ted Danson's going he's gonna outlive everyone from that cast Ted Danson's gonna be alive Is Shelley Long dead? No But George Wendt is, right? No, I don't believe so

I thought George Wendt died a few years ago You're saying that George Wendt? No, I don't think I don't think he did I think George, no, George went, according to Wikipedia, born 1948. He's 74 and still very much with it. Okay, never mind.

I thought... Is anybody from that cast dead? Yeah, Coach is dead. Woody Harrelson is dead. Woody Harrelson is very much dead. Woody Harrelson is dead. Rio Perlman is dead. Jesus. is dead. Rhea Perlman is 74 also.

So never mind. I guess, well, but hey, there's still time. At least Frazier, Frazier's actually dead, right? Frazier's not dead.

No, nobody's dead. Fuck. Well, I know a lot about sitcoms. John Ratzenberger is still very much with us. Ratzenberger is actually only 75.

He's only a year older than George Wendt. Where'd he go? What about an extra who was in? Someone who played... Al Rosen is probably dead. Remember Al Rosen? He was in like a few episodes where he was just the old guy like...

The full version of... This is something I wanted to bring up. Yeah, there you go. Remember Al Rose? And he was in like a few episodes where he was just the old guy like, you know, he's a... The full version of... This is something I wanted to bring up. The full version of the Cheers theme song, you know, the cheers, they're making your way in. There is an extended version that only played one time.

It was actually, I think, like a song that they played on the radio, but it aired on the final episode of Cheers and it had the following verse. Yeah. And your husband wants to be a girl. Aren't you glad there's some place in the world? So my question is, would that, not that they even have theme songs today.

Very Lou Reed. But would that theme song ever even be considered? No way. They'd have to change the words. Why? That seems pretty progressive. Yeah, I They have to change the words. Why? That seems pretty progressive. Yeah, I was about to say that seems... Oh, it depends what the...

I took it to mean like it's a problem. Well, I don't... First of all, the use of the word girl and your husband wants to be a girl kind of minimizes the trans experience

by making like... No, he doesn't want to be a woman with thoughts and ambitions. He wants to just have female body parts. That's probably just for the rhyming scheme. Yes, but be that as it may, I don't think that would fly. For that reason.

And the second reason is I don't think they would touch it anyway just in case it might be misinterpreted. Somebody said to me because I had this discussion, well, but if your husband was trans, that would be upsetting. You know, there's nothing wrong with being upset that your husband wants to be.

You remember that? There was a movie that came out. And I said, well, that doesn't matter. It still wouldn't fly. Yeah. I mean, I just can't wait until we get to a point where nobody touches anything we're all just completely still in life waiting because we're

terrified if i look this way is that offensive to blind people can't look this way it's it's getting there but i'm not saying i mean i'm not i hear your point a thousand percent i just worry that like well i'm just saying do you think that a theme song with those lyrics would ever make it to the air today? Part of me worries that or wonders if someone hearing what you just said, if it's like, all right, but if girl minimizes the trans experience, I mean, like, that feels like we're deep diving there. It seemed quite natural to me when I heard it. I'm like, no, that wouldn't fly.

How about the song Lola by the Kinks? Yeah. Well, I guess people still I'm like, no, that wouldn't fly. How about the song Lola by the Kinks? Yeah. Well, I guess people still play that, but I think that, you know, that's a rock song. We kind of forgive old rock songs. How about Brown Sugar by the Rolling Stones? Yeah, well, we forgive that. I mean, we let that slide, I think, that people still listen. Nicole, what do you think?

I mean, Walk on the Wild Side. We're just... Yeah. Nicole, what do you think? Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. What do you think of those? I wasn't even thinking about that part. I was talking about the whole, now he's a she.

I forgot about that part you just said. Also, Cheers is a sitcom, so it's lighthearted family fair. So the standards are different. Nicole, any thoughts? I don't know. I don't think it's that deep. I feel like Sean has a good point. It's probably just the rhyming scheme.

No, of course it is. But just because the rhyming scheme doesn't excuse... I mean, if I wanted to rhyme something with trigger, that would not be an excuse. She's mad. Can we stop this? Is there really anybody on planet Earth who would be offended by that?

I don't know. We're going to find out. This is crazy. Also, Lou Reed was fucking other men so i feel like you know you get some leeway when you're talking about your own experience oh sure sure sure but i'm just maybe this person who wrote the song the answer is the answer is there is no way in hell that those lyrics would have been in the theme song in 2022. That's the answer. Is there anything anybody could say, any word, any comment, anything anybody could say vis-a-vis your being Jewish? Right.

Which could reduce you emotionally, you know, to a puddle. Can you get that offended by any remark, anything that anybody would do that you just can't say, oh, that was awful, that's furious, and then move on with your fucking life.

But I'm just saying, are people really as offended as they make out to be? I understand they actually really are bothered by something that somebody says, don't think they should say it, or offended by it.

But they go beyond that to really pretend as if they can't go on with life because they heard this particular word or this implication or whatever. I just think it's all bullshit. Am I wrong? I would be upset if the kids were around, if somebody said something really disgusting and anti-Semitic. I don't think that... You'd be upset. And then what? I would be upset if the kids were around, if somebody said something really disgusting and anti-Semitic.

I don't think that... You'd be upset. And then what? I would be okay. And then you'd be okay, right? But that's not the standard that is applied. I mean, you may be right. I'm not in any way minimizing how foul some of these things

are. Offensive things, offensive words, all that. What I'm just saying is that as foul as they are... People are still going to say them and occasionally you're going to have to get over it on your own. Yeah, the reaction just doesn't seem real to me. We can't create a world where

you can't protect everyone all the time from everyone all the time. In colleges they have crying rooms and like... They do? Yes! I didn't know that. That's... wow. all the time from everyone all the time. In colleges, they have crying rooms. They do? Yes. I didn't know that. That's, wow.

But not smoking. I just call it a shower. Am I right? Am I right? That's what I call it. That's his second Holocaust reference tonight. No, no, no. Jesus. Well, just because it doesn't, yeah,

but still, we still, I prefer to be polite if I can be. Yes, just because it doesn't... Yeah, but still, I prefer to be polite if I can be. Yes, yes, yes. Of course, of course, of course. I went to Yad Vashem, which is a Holocaust memorial when I was in Israel two weeks ago. And it's very upsetting.

They have this whole room there with the Nazi posters making fun of Jews and kind of like the horrible humor at the Jewish expense. It's upsetting. It's very upsetting. And then, you know, and then I left. And then I thought, oh, that was upsetting.

Yeah. Yeah. And then. Well, also, it wasn't current. You knew it was from the 40s. So, I mean, if you saw it in the paper today in the United States that people were buying, you know, that might be a bit more upsetting to you. Yes, but quite often this stuff comes up in the paper today in the United States that people were buying, you know, that might be a bit more upsetting.

Yes, but quite often this stuff comes up in the context of history. Like I just heard, I don't want to talk about it, but I heard a story today on the news. It was actually what's in my mind of some historical thing that was going on about history. And then somebody just essentially got the whole thing canceled because they didn't think this particular thing in history should be spoken about. It's like just crazy. I think like, yeah, like I hear your point 100% Dan. I'm not sure I have a point.

I think your point is be polite. My initial point was only that the network would never let those lyrics in a theme song today. That was really my only point. But then that got expanded into other realms. I do think there's a world though, like if I'm walking, if I'm hanging out with someone who's a lesbian

and I go, oh, man, have you tried a Klondike bar? I didn't mean anything by that. And if someone gets offended... Sean, you never mean anything by any of this stuff. That's what I'm saying. You never mean anything by six million reasons or the shower. But things happen.

Like sometimes things get said and I get it. I get when a word or a phrase offends someone, but to Noam's point, it's like, but then what? I did hear something on YouTube today with Anthony Cumia and Gavin McGinnis. Somebody sent this to me. I don't watch, I don't know if they have a show together

or whatever it is. And they were debating this whole Jewish thing and Jews controlling Hollywood. And Kumia was saying, well, why can't you? They get so mad when you happen to mention that 80% of Hollywood is run, maybe you said controlled, by Jews. First of all, is it true that it's 80%?

Is that a real number? I don't know. It's high, I would imagine. I don't know if it's 80%? Is that a real number? I don't know. It's high, I would imagine. I don't know if it's 80%. It's probably less than it used to be in the old days with Louis B. Mayer and Jack Warner and all these people. I think it was more. But what he didn't mention, and neither of them mentioned,

was it's a question of why it's being mentioned. If you say 60% of Juilliard is Korean kids, that's like, those kids are awesome. Look how great they are, right? So why are people commenting on it? If they're commenting on it because they're suspicious of the Jews, then, of course, everybody has a

right to react to it. It's not a question of whether it's true or not. It's like, where are you coming from? What's your point here? Are you saying the Jews are doing something wrong? Are you saying they're in cahoots? Are they acting in concert? What do you imply? No, I was just mentioning what? I can't mention a true fact?

It seems so disingenuous to me. Of course you can mention a true fact, but if it's in a good faith way, but it didn't seem like, it didn't feel like a good faith way. It didn't feel like he was like, had a beef with the Jews. Well, maybe he does.

Yeah. And the other thing that nobody ever talks about is in all of these things that the Jews quote unquote control is Jews got into a lot of these professions because nobody else wanted to work with us back in like the, I don't know, 40s, 30s, 40s. We don't need to make any excuses for why we're in the profession. No, it's not an excuse, but it's, I mean, part of the story. I don't think that's the story of Hollywood.

I think Jews are clever entrepreneurs and started movie studios. I'm also like, as a Southern boy who grew up, I've never understood the beef with Jewish people. I'm not just saying that because I'm in a room... It's more like someone who didn't have much experience with Jews. No, no, no. I've never understood the beef

and I know I'm in a room full of Jewish people right now, but I'm like, I don't get... Who cares? Why is it such a problem jews if jews run the media who gives a shit if jewish people run businesses why is this an issue like they're it's like i've never met i mean it's an issue if they're if they're using it and for some nefarious purpose i don't which is what the implication is i just what generally when people say that as noam said when people say jews control holly said, when people say Jews control Hollywood, oftentimes the subtext, the undertone is, and they're using it for

some nefarious purpose. And you know what I as a non-Jewish person don't want to do? Control Hollywood. I don't give a shit. You know what I'm saying? To me, it's like, why was... Don't knock it. It's not bad. It's not bad, but then that's what they should do.

Like, I'm like, Hey, fucking do what you do. I don't see what the problem is. I don't know. But then again, you know,

I know it's history and there was beef and it was all based in racism. I get that. But like an antisemitism, I get that. I just, as these days, there are all these studios, I assume are public corporations that,

I mean, you know, who knows who's also run by the Jews. I mean, I don't know, I mean, who knows who's... Also run by the Jews, obviously. I mean, I don't know, but who cares? Well, but they're run by stockholders who come from who are from everywhere, you know. They're also Jewish.

There you go. I just think it's people who want control who are being assholes about who has the control currently. We're not good at sports. I think that's an exaggeration. I think there's a grain of truth to it, but I think it's an exaggeration.

We're not good at sports. And there's certain things we're good at, and those are the professions we go into. Money. Yeah. It's not money. Well, being good at things usually leads not money. Well, being good at things usually leads to money.

Well, isn't there proof somehow? I don't know what the proof is, but that Ashkenazi Jews technically have higher IQs than us? Well, thank you for joining us, Sean. Good need. And that concludes today's episode

of live from the table we don't want to get into that discussion but you see there you go you ask a question and now the whole fucking shit's an upheaval if intelligence is part of the game questions should never be looked at as weird

it is true that Ashkenazi Jews on average have higher IQs than... Insert Periel joke here. Except, interestingly enough, they have slightly lower average scores in spatial relations, which is a little... That's why we can't throw a punch. But having said that, the real controversy is whether or not that's as a result of their upbringing or is it actually, you know, an inborn advantage. That's where you get into really hot water. So the guy who was screaming those anti-Semitic remarks to the parents in Michigan last week that were dropping their kids off at Beth El daycare yeah you heard

this story no okay so he's he was screaming I'm gonna kill you and you know all this like horrible anti-Jewish stuff so he's on um he's in jail and he's being held on a million dollar bond and he was on a zoom this is all over the dollar bond what? For, I don't remember exactly what the charges, but, you know, threatening to kill, whatever it was. It was, and the judge was Jewish, and he was screaming at the judge, like, you Zionist pig, you fucking Jewish bitch. And she goes, it's my turn now.

She's really Jew-y. You should put, like, a Jewish character in your act Like you know she's just like I mean my mom My mom has all the attributes of every Jewish mother I've ever heard about What do you mean by that? I mean there you go

That's what I'm saying Like I'm just Everybody who's ever heard Whenever Rachel Feinstein talks about her mom I'm like sounds like my mom You know whenever Actually Rachel Feinstein's mother She converted but she was not born Jewish We gotta go Alright and talks about her mom, I'm like, sounds like my mom. You know, whatever. Actually, Rachel Feinstein's mother, she converted,

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