The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Shuli Egar

Episode Date: September 30, 2022

Shuli Egar is a nationally-touring headliner who took a one-week audition in New York and turned it into a 15-year radio career as a writer, producer, and on air correspondent for the Howard Stern Show. Shuli released a double album in 2019 called “Shulogy” which debuted at #1 and #2 on the iTunes comedy charts.

this is live from the table a comedy seller affiliated podcast coming at you This is Live from the Table, a Comedy Cellar-affiliated podcast. Coming at you on SiriusXM 99 Raw Dog and the Laugh Button Podcast Network. This is Dan Natterman, along, of course, with Noam Dorman, owner of the world-famous Comedy Cellar. We have with us Perrie Alashian-Branch. She is our, she's been called a producer. Noam is not necessarily in accord with that designation. But she is involved in a booking capacity, and I guess does other things as well.

And we have our sound wizard, Nicole Lyons, is with us. She doesn't say a lot, but she is there. And we have with us today, Shuley Agar agar a 15 year veteran of the howard stern show he's also the host of the shuley show a very popular podcast and a comedian hello shuley hello hello thank you everybody for having me it's good to see you guys how you doing shule Shuley? I'm doing great, man. Good to be back out here. Good to see all old friends and faces. How did the pandemic treat you? Good. We moved. We got out of Dodge.

We left New York. Your family or the Howard Stern Show? No, me, my family, yeah. I mean, the show, we were all working from home anyway. So, you know, checked with uh management time and time again about does it matter where home is and they said no we don't see us coming back anytime soon as long as you have uh the ability to connect to the show and do the work no problem so still not back no so here's the story we uh we started looking for places, and we ended up finding a place in a little town called Huntsville, Alabama, down south, which we knew nothing about.

And during the quarantine, we snuck out. Our neighborhood essentially got pretty bad during the pandemic. Where were you? We were in Queens, and I have two little girls. Our building, they tried to break into it three times in one month uh there was other stuff going on and it just it deteriorated really fast and so i was just like why plus i think the pandemic kind of reconnected me and my family in the first place because you know you're in new york you're're just, it's like the fastest lazy river ever, right?

You get dropped in and you just go. And being home and being with them and not doing road gigs on the weekends. Did that hurt your marriage or help it? It helped. It helped a ton. But they were not on the top of my list, you know. And that's what the pandemic made me realize. They got to be up on top of my

list so cue the violins nicole thank you so uh my uh my folks went you know i have two older brothers they left israel uh to come to the states for us and so i felt like you know what let's find a place for them and do what we got to do. Right. I learned from them and that, you know, I knew the language. I had money. They, they had very little of, of each of those things when they came to the state. So we just went out there. We checked it out cause we knew nothing about the South other than what you hear and the jokes and whatever. And it was amazing. The people out there were so welcoming, so nice.

You know, it wasn't the Wild West where people were, you know, stomping out vaccines and saying it's all fake. People were wearing masks. People were following rules. In Huntsville, Alabama? Absolutely. Huntsville is one of the most modernized parts of Alabama. Actually, a lot of people say there's Huntsville and then there's Alabama. They have Googles out there. What about abortion? What about abortion?

I haven't had one since we've been there. Is it a pro-life, is it going to be a pro-life state? Alabama sounds ominous. I don't know what the status of it is now. You know, listen, my point is like, no one was going to break into my house in Alabama and give my kid an abortion. I'm not worried about that. You know, I'm worried about somebody in New York busting into our apartment.

We're on the first floor. Ain't going to be hard to get to. And so for me, it's like you got to choose the lesser of two evils. And I didn't see anything. You make it sound like there's a binary choice between Queens and Huntsville, Alabama. No, there was other choices, but financially for what we wanted, you know, I think it's great. At the end of the day,

I went from a two bedroom, two bath apartment to a six bedroom house with two acres of land with my kids being able to ride bikes, have sleepovers, you know, watch them be kids. You know, I love that we have our time here in the city that we you know i met my wife here we started our family here i love that i love that they got the street smarts of new york but at the same time i can't just put her on a on a bike where we're i can't just put her on a train and go to school you know so for me it was about what's best for them what's going in huntsville isn't there was there So for me, it was about what's best for them. What's going on in Huntsville?

Isn't there, was there like a Toyota factory or something? What's going on there? There's a time. There's Googles out there. The FBI's out there. They have a military compound called the Arsenal that employs about 30,000 people. I'm surrounded, per capita, Huntsville has the most millionaires in the South because of all the tech that is going on out there.

I'm surrounded i got a guy across the street from me that's uh you know a computer guy for department of defense i got another guy who's a explosives expert works down at the fence surrounded by all these brilliant like manly men you know and i'm so it's like the austin what they say about austin is that austin is sort of the oasis of liberalism and intellect in Texas. And you're saying that Huntsville is analogous, perhaps, in Alabama. That's, you know, my friend who had been talking to me for years about just getting property out there. Because it's exactly what he said.

He said, this is going to be another Austin out here. It's going to be another, you know, boom. So you're saying it's an investment opportunity. It ended up being that as well. Absolutely. Noam's giving me a smirk. I'm saying, of course, you know, I don't want to make a Jewish joke. I'm just saying, like, you know,

it's an investment opportunity. It's not all about safety. That's what Noam's saying. He saw promise. No, look, I'm a huge believer in, I mean, I try to go tell Perriol all the time to stay in the suburbs. Your kids can, everything you, you sound like me. I'm sure Perrielle was thinking that.

You sound like me when you say that. But, you know, there's places like in, you know, in Northern Westchester, you know, that are also similar, you know. Absolutely. Look, the best investment you can ever make is real estate, right? And like, so now, you know, we've been talking

because I love, i come back here every few months i do like a a two-week run do a bunch of podcasts see all my friends i miss that action i absolutely do i don't have that out there uh the the show is going great but like this is this is where i felt the most alive in new y is running around, doing spots, saying hi to friends, hearing their nightmare stories, sharing. All of it. You know, that is what I miss the most is the fraternity that I left, right? And then eventually I ended up leaving the show as well. You're not on the show anymore?

No, I haven't been on in about two years. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. Once I got out there, you know, I had the peace of mind of where we're living and everybody is happy and whatever. And then just the job had changed so much once the pandemic started. You know, once we started working from home, my role on the show changed a lot. And there was, for me, I didn't see it getting back to where it was. How did it change? It went from, for example, you're a longtime listener,

so you might understand this more than some other people, but, you know, when something's going on on the air and Howard's talking about it and you have information on that, you go to Gary, who's the executive producer, and you hey gary i have something to add to this and when you're starting out there gary's a very smart producer he says what do you have and he listens to everything you have to say and he makes the decision whether or not you go in and i had gotten to a point where i built a trust with gary with howard where whatever's going on, I could go, I got something on this, go in. And once we started working from home, all of that changed.

All of a sudden there was all these tollbooths in the way now and you have to run this by this person and this person. And not everybody that's in charge has been a part of the show, been a part of radio. And so it was just frustrating. I felt like I was starting back at square one. And so I just said, look, I'm happy where I live. The only kind of unhappiness I have right now, and it had nothing to do with Howard. Howard, I love the guy.

He gave me every opportunity in the world. It had nothing to do with him. It was more of a management thing than anything else. At the end of the day, I understand they're the same people, but I'm not going to badmouth the guy. I didn't deal with him on a one-on-one basis as much as I dealt with management. So I tried to work something out with them

where I could do part-time and uh at first they were okay with it and then and then it was a question of you know um i can't kind of do my own thing even though i'm out of that umbrella and that was uh frustrating to me and i just said you know what i'll just go i said it's fine you don't have to work i'm not looking to start a podcast and badmouth a guy uh you know want me to sign an NDA, I'll sign an NDA. But at the end of the day, I still want to be able to do my thing, tell stories of working there, meeting. I have great stories meeting Norm there for the first time. It has nothing to do with Howard.

But am I going to get in trouble for sharing those stories because it had to do with my time frame of being there? So, yeah, I decided to leave the show, and I left, and I started my own thing. You signed an NDA? No, I didn't. Oh, you didn't sign an NDA. I didn't sign an NDA, yeah. And how'd you replace the income?

So I knew one thing. Howard would not talk about this on his end. When people leave the show for whatever reasons, it's usually never brought up again. They just move forward and and so i i figured look i have a shot to do something where i can tell my side of things explain what happened and do it in a way where i i don't shit on my old employer because that doesn't help me in any way for the future and And, uh, and so I started a podcast and, uh, right out the gate, the numbers were crazy and, and it, it supplemented our income immediately. Um, along with, uh, some

writing part-time writing stuff that I picked up. I was hustling. I also moved to the South at the time where the only place you could do stand upup indoors was in the South at like 25% capacity. No comics were flying anywhere. So I got dropped into this hot zone of like, oh, there's a guy who does stand-up. Can he come to Atlanta? Can he come to Mississippi? Can he come here? So I got off the ground running really fast and bulked up.

What was going on in Mississippi comedy-wise? Not good. Not good. It literally was one of those gigs where I saw the club on my left. really fast and and bulked up going on in mississippi comedy was not good not good it literally was one of those gigs where i saw the club on my left i was about to turn into it and everything in my body said just make it a u-turn just go right back home and i don't think i've ever literally met anybody from mississippi it was one of the worst shows i've ever like the even the owner was trying to talk me out of doing that he goes look you don't have to do a headline he goes do ten minutes if you want hold the purse this guy knows hold it with pride because when it comes to the book of pussy whipped emasculating shit you're gonna go

through holding the purse isn't even on the first ten pages bro It's not. Wait till you gotta tell your friends that you can't go out and join them because your new mommy said no. Oh, yeah. Every married guy in here has had that happen to them, right? And they've all

done the same thing. They've lied to their friends about it. They're always like, uh, so I rolled my ankle at work. And, uh, they told me, keep it elevated, so I'm just gonna stay home. You guys have fun. I'll be there in spirit. Your friends are like, oh, we're so sorry, dude.

We love you, man. Feel better. They hang up. They know exactly what's going on. They're busting your balls. They're doing sketches about what a pussy-whipped asshole you are. They're like, you be his wife. I'll be him. I'm gonna ask you if I can go out, and you tell

me to go fuck myself. Ready? Can I ask you a question? Did you grow up in Israel? I left when I was four. Okay. Yeah. So I went back. The same age, I think, as Gene Simmons left, roughly.

Chaim, my boy Chaim. I met him once outside of Syria. This is actually a good story. I see him. I'm not a huge KISS fan, but I know Gene. We're Jews. We're boys. We're Israelis. I said, I'm going to go talk to this guy.

So I walk over, and he's staring straight ahead. He's by himself. He's just staring straight ahead. And I come up on the side of him, and I go, Mr. Simmons, big fan. And he doesn't look at me like you're me. He doesn't look at me. He just goes like this with his fist. So already, I love it.

I go, I'm in. So I give him the pound, and I go, he says to me, I said, I'm a writer and a comic for the Stern Show. And he says, what's your name? And I said, Shuley. And then he looks at me and he goes, Israeli. And I said, yeah. And then he looks straight again and he goes, let me hear your opening joke right now.

Really? Yeah. What a guy. Not a bad impression impression by the way thank you i i go right into it you know i said uh i like getting massages today was the first time i had a guy massage me it was not by choice it was a bit of a surprise i said but uh i wasn't worried that he was going to try and bang me i just was worried about getting a boner and digging it. I said, but I lasted the whole massage.

No boner. Which was weird because I came so hard. And I look at him and no shoulders chuckling. Like nothing. No respect. You just see two eyebrows go over his glasses and he just goes, that's a pretty good joke. And then we stood there in silence for three seconds and I just said, all right, take care. I just walked off. That's a pretty good joke. And then we stood there in silence for three seconds, and I just said, all right, take care.

I just walked off. That's great. But, yeah. I saw David Lee Roth on Lexington Avenue the other day. How much money? He used to hang out here. Yeah, and I saw him. He was wearing sunglasses, gray hair, and walking by.

I said, hey. And he says, hey. But you could tell he couldn't place me. But he knew he knew me, but he couldn't place me. And I just kept walking. And I imagine as I got like half a block away, he's, oh. I hadn't seen him in so long when I've gotten older. But anyway.

I saw Ann Coulter on the Upper East Side. And she's been here several times. And I said, Ann. And she kind of just ran away. She probably thought she's used to people hating on her on the Upper East Side, and she's been here several times. Yeah. And I said, Ann, and she kind of just ran away. She probably thought she's used to people, you know, hating on her on the street. I can't imagine why. But in any case. You know who else I ran into since I've been out here this week as a Stern fan?

You remember Elegant Elliot Off? Oh, yeah. I see him on the Upper East Side all the time running. He wears women's clothes. Yes. So I'm staying with James Matter and my buddy. Oh, yeah. He lives on the Upper East Side, too. Yeah. We started together. I didn't know you guys were buddies. We started together in Vegas,

me and him. We came out here together. Oh, I had no idea. Well, I love James. I love James, too. He's the best. So I'm walking down the street and I'm talking to my wife on the phone. And on the other side of the street, I see Elliot in lingerie standing at the crosswalk ready to cross. And he's standing and running in place. And I go, now I've known Elliot for years.

I've done like stuff for the Stern Show with him. So elegant. He's miselegant now, by the way. And so I'm like, oh, my God, he's going to lose his mind when he sees me. Like, what are the odds that he's here-elegant now by the way uh and so i'm like oh my god he's gonna he's gonna lose his mind when he sees me like what are the odds that he's here i'm here and he's right he's running towards me and i go elliot and he's and he looks and i go shooley and he goes hello shooley and then just keeps running didn't even stop for a second that's what natter well you know you can't when you're running you don't stop well especially, you know, you can't. When you're running, you don't stop. Well, especially lingerie. Well, you're exercising.

You don't interrupt the rhythm. Guy hasn't seen me in years. Just stop for two seconds. You can stop. There's no law against it. Yeah, check your pulse. Don't stop when you check your pulse. I'm not a jogger, necessarily, but I would imagine that.

You're not going to ruin your workout. You're not a jogger, yet you defend this, man. You stop at red lights. Well, that's, I'm not, yeah, but that has not. I'm just saying, you see, you can jog. An old friend is like a red light. Oh, yeah, you're right. Okay, you can jog in place, I guess.

Yeah. He used it as a pretext to not stop. Right. Right. So I have to be honest, I haven't listened to Howard Stern's show in a few years. Well, when he went to Sirius, I stopped listening, yeah. And I can't exactly say why. I used to listen all the time.

I think what happened, and he wouldn't be happy to hear this, I got a Tesla. And the Tesla has the screen where finally it became very, very easy to listen to anything that I wanted, any podcast, anything at all. And there's, you know, Icon for everything. And I just, I found myself no longer with all that choice. Because you're in charge.

Yeah, I no longer listen to Howard Stern. When I just had an XM radio and it was just a choice between Stern and whatever music channels, I would spend a lot of time listening to Stern or, you know, or the news. Yeah. But it's not the same Stern that we know from the terrestrial days. Well, I don't know that the show has changed from when I used to listen to it. I don't know that it's a pandemic.

I just know that the ultimate choice has probably not been a friend to him. As Cars, and I don't know what percentage of listeners are in Cars, but it's got to be 75% at least, right? Well, I mean, the real question is what's the percentage number of how many cars have Wi-Fi and that ability to be the captain of your own entertainment? That's what I mean. As cars every year have much more options in terms of what you can listen to. I think he's going to lose audience share. I mean, he's getting so old, he's probably

going to retire soon anyway. Yeah, I think this might be his last contract. How old is he? He's not 70. Not that old. No, he's 70. Is he 70? Very close. His parents are both still alive, aren't they? No, his father just recently passed away. Oh, he did? Okay.

That must have been awful for him. Yeah. I mean, he must have been almost 100, the father. He was. He was 99. Wow. Yeah. And the mother's still alive.

Mother's still alive. And they were on vacation. It was just a few weeks back, maybe. Oh, Ben Stern. Yeah, I didn't even see that. But he died in July at 99. Wow. What a career this man has had. It's unbelievable.

Incredible. Like, to think he was making $30 a week, you know, working in some house in Hartford, you know, broadcasting out of a house that turned. Well, I have a story. I mean, I think this is true. Much of this I know is true. So I had a friend, his name is Doug Berman,

who he went on later to become the producer of Car Talk he discovered those guys and brought them to NPR that's not the Leno one that's a podcast no it was a radio show Car Talk of the Two Guys and then he also invented the NPR show Wait Wait Don't Tell Me so he was

into radio even when we were in high school, and he was working at R&W, the Briarcliff Manor station. I love that root band. Howard Stern was working at that station at one time. It's in the movie, W-R-N-W. And my friend was working there, would be on the air late at night,

and he needed, I think it was for the Stern show, he needed me to record the music for Alice's Restaurant on the guitar for a radio spot that they were doing a contest, and he wanted that as a background music. So I believe when I was in high school, probably my first gig, I recorded incidental music for the Howard Stern Show on WRNW.

So that's how long he's been on the air. So no one wants his cut. Yeah, I want my cut. Howard Stern's shown WR&W. So that's how long he's been on the air. And that's, anyway. So no one wants his cut. Yeah, I want my cut. That's my little run-in with Howard Stern. Well, my run-in is a little more significant. Not a run-in, whatever. I was on AGT with him.

That's right. And he defended you. Yeah. You know, I don't know to what extent. I mean, he was professed to be a fan of mine. I don't know to what extent, I mean, he was professed to be a fan of mine. I don't know to what extent the producers told him, look, we like this guy and we want him to go forward. So be nice. I have no idea because, you know.

You can't tell Howard Stern what to do, can you? I don't know. I don't know what you can tell. I mean, Howard Stern is, you know, on network TV, Howard Stern is not the same as radio Howard Stern. And probably more willing to play ball. Well, see, that I disagree with because when you think about it, that show originally was filmed out of L.A. And they picked up an entire show and moved it to the East Coast for one guy. Yeah. For one guy. For him. They started broadcasting out of New York. That's pretty powerful. Well, maybe, maybe, maybe he was sincere.

I don't know. This is my., maybe, maybe, maybe he was sincere. I don't know. This is my take on it. But he was, yeah, he was nice. Although I didn't get to be on his show, you know, and maybe in the old days I could have been, but he became more and more just A-list stars only. This is my take on Howard Stern. You tell me if I'm right or wrong.

He has a Jewish head about certain things. He doesn't need to be told what to do. He's not a dick in the sense that, like, for instance, I hear the way he does his ads. He does the ads well. He doesn't fuck with his sponsors. I hear other podcasts. You could tell they don't want to be reading the ad. But he actually sells the product to be reading the ad.

But he actually sells the product when he does an ad. He's hired by was it NBC? AGT? I don't know. He's hired by NBC to do this job. And he does it in good faith. And he knows that he's not on his radio show. He knows he can't talk about

hookers or whatever it is. So he does a good faith version of, true to himself and who he is, on his radio show. He knows he can't talk about hookers or whatever it is. So he does a good faith version of true to himself and who he is on AGT. And I, and I think that like he's, he's kind of corporate in that way, even though he has this reputation for being so ornery in another way, I think he understands that he has to serve the show that he's doing properly.

And that would, that would mean on a show like agt doing it the way it needs to be done and he knows that that's different than his radio show plus you have to factor in throughout his career you know working in radio uh you're not treated too well and now he's on a network huge nationally you know network show i mean imagine the treatment imagine how they were taking care of him. And he must have been like, holy shit, this is what this is like on the other side, right?

When he was doing dirty stuff and being difficult on his terrestrial radio show, that's an interesting dynamic because he knew, and he was right, what he was doing was making his show a huge success. 100%. He would also know that a certain, if he took that attitude on AGT, he would tank the show because it's not that audience.

Well, it's one of the biggest gripes that long-term fans have is that how dare this guy evolve, right? How dare he not want to do bits with strippers and porn stars anymore? And, you know, it's a common sense thing for me as a father of two girls. You know, the older they get, the more you're sitting here going, you know, this isn't right. Plus, he doesn't need to like he wasn't squeaky clean corporate Howard when AGT came and moved to show for him. He was still Howard. He was still doing the raunchy stuff and and and whatever else, you know, but the extent of like you know the the women's stuff stuff and a lot of the fans got upset with that they're just i never really loved that part of the show anyway for me you know uh um lesbian dial it i guess that was okay but um that sort of stuff but what i really liked was him doing the news yes that to me was far and

away the best part of the show and And when he was interviewing interesting people. As far as the strippers, and, you know, I didn't like... You didn't like the Sibian? I didn't like Ramfar, that character, who... I don't know how long it's been since he's even done that. Do you remember him? I don't. Oh, okay.

I think I'm pronouncing it right. I didn't like Fartman. You know, I basically liked him doing the news. And so I didn't love the, you know, some of the more outrageous shit. I liked stuttering John interviews. You know, I always enjoyed those. I think one of the things that drew me to it, especially the news and like the stuff that would start up between the staff and management and these fights that would start up. The reality show aspect.

And the organic nature of it. Yeah. That's the thing that was the most, it was one of the most organic comedy shows. That's right. That I like they're doing the news. And then, you know, Jackie says something next thing, you know, Jackie's getting his balls busted for 45 minutes about this one thing that he said. And, you know, to me, that was what I fell in love with with this show is he could go anywhere at any time. Me too. It was it was honest. I mean, I grew up listening to Howard. I grew up in Queens. And as a teenager, I used to force my poor immigrant Israeli mother to listen to him on the way to school. And I'd never heard anything like that before in my life. It was so raw and so honest.

And it just blew my mind that this was something that you could do. And I think that that really is true to who Howard is. And of course he's changed and he's evolved and it's insane to expect that he wouldn't have, right? But he's still, and's insane to expect that he wouldn't have. Right. But he's still, and the whole thing, I think I also don't see.

And like really just being like, fuck you. Like I'm going to say what I want. Like that was, it's incredible. Look, evolution is one thing, but if the evolution is at all insincere,

I, you know, and I don't know that it is or it isn't, or if he's denying what he was, I think people might have an issue with that. I think it's more of like a been there, done that type thing. I don't think inside of him there's a guy that wants to see a chick on the Sibian on the show.

I think he's over that. I lived in Vegas for 12 years. You don't go to a casino every day. But maybe he should address that and say, yeah, I did these things that were great. I'm not into it. Maybe he has. Maybe he has because I don't really listen to him so much anymore.

But, you know, yeah, I mean, the fact that he's evolved is interesting in and of itself and something worthy of discussion. Well, and it led to a completely different type of show years later where, you know, Artie was in there and stuff got real with life choices and health and trying to help your friends and still all the while keeping this reality of like the staff, this guy's pissed at this guy and this one's mad at this one. And I mean, it just, it was a lot of plates spinning on that show.

A lot. I got to listen again. I lot of plates spinning on that show a lot I gotta listen again I'm gonna listen on the way home uh do we wanted to do to discuss Adam Levine at all yes I mean I'm interested what's about what about Adam if he tried to bang you too I mean this guy's on a roll not yet who did he try to bang everyone everyone who didn't he try to bang this isn't the news this week this is yeah yes but not the news that you read, the news that I read. It's gone viral. So apparently he, for a while now, has had a couple of gumads, as we like to say. And one of them started blowing up his spot by posting screenshots of the dms that they that they were having okay but first of all you

know that he's married to a supermodel or a victoria's secrets model and she's pregnant with their third baby you say that like i suppose i almost feel how why would he do that when he's married no no no that's that's not why i'm saying that although you know uh it is kind of fucking reasonable that if your wife's pregnant with their third baby, that maybe you're not trying to bang like influencer Instagram influencers on the side. One might take from that logic that it becomes more reasonable when your wife. I literally saw it going across your forehead in your brain. I said, I can answer this for him. To fucking Shay then.

So she, he sent this girl, like he'd been trying to fuck these girls or fucking like all of these girls and she went, yeah, there you go. That's the Kumar, that's the one. Well, obviously he forgot her birthday or something.

He did something to piss her off. You want to play it? Is she talking about him in this video? Obviously he forgot her birthday or something. He did something to piss her off. Yeah. You want to play it? Is she talking about him in this video? Yeah. Essentially, I was having an affair with a man who's married to a Victoria's Secret model. At the time, you know, I was young. I was naive.

And I mean, quite frankly, I feel exploited. I wasn't in the scene like I am now. So I was definitely very easily manipulated room five is practically elevator music at this point so i'm sure you know who adam levine is um but adam and i were seeing each other for about a year after i stopped talking to him over you know a period of months this this is how he came back into my life. He said, okay, serious question. I'm having another baby, and if it's a boy,

I really want to name it Sumner. You okay with that? Dead serious. Oh, my God. That will upset his wife way more. It's like you're thinking, how can you make this situation a million times worse? Men are the worst. Like how fucking stupid is Adam Levine?

You know what would have made it worse? If the kid's born and she agreed to name it Sumner and then she finds out it's named after his gumad. By the way, Nicole, if you Google or if you go on YouTube and you enter Natterman and NRJ you'll find a video with me and Mr. Adam Levine Oh Really? Yes, because I was in Paris in about 12 years ago and I did this guy

named Mustafa El-Atrazi who's you remember Mustafa. I remember that video Yeah, so it's a video and I went in and he said, oh come on my radio show which was a big radio show in Paris and i went in and he said oh come on my radio show uh which was a big radio show in paris and i went in there and levine and some other maroon five guy was i didn't recognize them some other maroon yeah i didn't know who i mean i knew maroon five was i just didn't recognize them this was before adam levine was quite i mean he was famous i guess but not

nearly what he is now came um and i didn't know who the fuck they were but they said i was in the room five okay so i sat down next to him and I didn't really talk with them much. Maybe I said hello. So his wife is pissed? No, she's thrilled. Yeah. Well, here's the other thing that came from this. So I don't know if you want to pull that up, Nicole.

Play the rest? No, we get the idea. Well, is there anything? Play the rest. It's almost over. I'm in hell. Like I have to be in hell at this point i mean she's in hell girls were unknowingly compromised i was completely manipulated i'm gonna handle this privately i never wanted to come forward because obviously i know the implications that come with doing what i do making money the way i do being an instagram model um so being tied to a story like this, it's like, I know the stereotypes I had sent.

I had sent some screenshots recklessly to a few friends. I thought I trusted and had attempted to sell to a tabloid. So here I am. What a story. It's amazing. And other girls came out of the woodwork after her. So I don't know about that. Did other girls came out of the woodwork after her? I don't know about that. Did other women come out?

Yes. Didn't they, Shuey? Didn't a bunch of other girls come? I think there's a couple more that came. But he's denied. He said he'd name her after my name. But one of the things that happened from this was, so they have screenshots of these DMs,

and one of them, he says, like, God, your body, it's so fucking hot. Oh, my fucking God, your body. And it's become a meme. It's become viral where people post a dumb picture at the top of the DM and then it has his comments underneath. And it went like global.

There's nowhere his wife can go where this isn't online, where this isn't being talked about. It should be noted that he has denied having an affair with this woman. Is that correct? Men. He said he was inappropriate, but he apologized

for inappropriately, I don't know what, doing something. He has denied cheating on, her name, by the way, is Bahati Prinsloo, is the name of his wife. And she's a white woman, which I wouldn't have guessed, given the name. So he's going to name his son, Sumner,

was that the name? Sumner. Sumner after a girl he didn't even have sex with. She was just his pal. Right. Wants to name it after a pen pal.

I don't know why you'd want to name a kid after someone you cheated on your wife with either. Because he's trying to, you know, titillate her.

It's outrageous. And here's me on Reveillez-vous avec Nikos about 12 years ago. And you see there Mr. Adam Levine. And then I don't know who that guy is in the middle, but I guess he's another Maroon. That's amazing, Dan. Well, you click play and we'll hear a couple of things.

He played the Vols Underground Maroon 5 before they were famous. Yeah. Convaincu de rentrer avec moi chez moi. Donc j'ai dû appeler mon collègue Mamadou pour lui dire de foutre le camp. La table, la table. But this is French, Dan. I understand, but you get a little flavor of it. Wow, I look so much younger. I mean, that was about 12 years ago, and I look about, I mean, I look a lot younger there.

Holy shit. Your French is really impressive. It never ceases to amaze me. Can we talk more about Adam Levine? Yes. That's interesting, Noam. You're a woman. That time you told me.

What? I was doing one of my... You ever see the show Dexter? Yeah, of course. Dexter has this dark passenger that he has to feed every once in a while. Yeah, yeah. You think this is what men are? They have a dark passenger

and this is the dark passenger. No, I think that Adam Levine and I think that I've seen this before, you know, because I've... By the way, you already gave the wrong answer, but go ahead. No, no, no, I don't think. I think that you get to a level

of celebrity and fame. And this isn't true of everybody. And maybe it's true of people who aren't in that category, who are so fucking narcissistic and delusional that they don't think they're going to get caught. And they think they're entitled to whatever they want with no consequences or ramifications for anything they do i mean it's so it's the getting caught which is the is the well yeah he didn't think i mean how stupid do you have to be in this day and age to send anyone a message without the assumption that other people are going to see it see i don't think he he i don't think it's he doesn't think he's going to get caught he doesn't care it the thing is there's there's living in vegas for 12 years right there's two types of poker tournaments there's the ones

where you buy in and if you lose you're out and then there's the ones where you can rebuy and keep and people in the tournaments where you can rebuy play a lot dumber than they would in a tournament where if you lose you're out because they have options they have an option to come back in and play again is it financially smart no but they they play differently because they know they can get bailed out no this guy's now saying oh i made this grave error. The only thing I care about in this world is my wife and my children. But if he didn't get caught, he wouldn't be saying any of this shit. Right, exactly.

That's right. And I'm saying he's playing this game not thinking he can't get caught. He's just thinking, if I get caught, so what's going to happen? So she's leaving, so that's half my money, blah money blah blah blah yeah i think he would care very deep i think he would care very deeply about that i don't i certainly don't think he wanted in any way shape or form to be caught i don't think i if you're at the point where you're talking about naming your fucking kid after a woman you're with like that that to me is the guy is, he's just sick, dude. He's like. Agreed.

Yeah. Like, look, you know. What's this? I look at it from this point of view. Why would I cheat on my wife? Oh, this is good. Who, Dan, read it. Well.

This is from Adam Levine. Go ahead. Adam Levine says, a lot is being said about me right now, and I want to be, I want to clear the air. I was on Reveille Vuvik Nikos with Dan Aderman and it was completely appropriate. I used poor judgment in speaking with anyone other than my wife in any kind of flirtatious manner. I did not have an affair. Nevertheless, I

crossed the line during a regrettable period in my life. I think that's... Continue, continue. That's enough. In certain instances it became inappropriate. I've addressed that and taken proactive steps to remedy this with my family. My wife and my family is all I care about in the world. To be this naive.

Continue. To be this naive and stupid. I'm not adding anything. To be this naive and stupid enough to risk the only thing that truly matters to me was the greatest mistake I could ever make. I will never make it again. I take full responsibility. We will get through it. And we will get through it together.

Okay. First of all, I would have told him to drop the word proactive. This just doesn't sound heartfelt enough. I'm going to be very proactive about this. So did a publicist write this? Well, you know, I posed the question on Twitter, when has a model and a rock star relationship ever worked out? And I thought it was an open and shut case,

but then somebody came back to me, what about Iman and David Bowie? That's right. Okay, one. You're right. But it's astounding that it ever worked. It's astounding it ever happened. And I think there was one other

one, by the way. I'm sure there are other examples too, but fair enough. I mean, so this is... I don't know. The whole thing is just unbelievable. What are you thinking about? Everybody loves their family when they get caught all of a sudden, right? And he probably does love his family. He loves his family.

I don't doubt he loves Bahati. He loved that Instagram pussy a little bit more though. Pussy is pussy and family is family. What I always think about in these instances is that there's probably dozens of other women. Oh, for sure. Hundreds. And the reason he thought no one could come forward, because 99 out of 100 keep quiet.

That's right. And this one went public. It's a numbers game. It's a numbers game. I would say that you know, infidelity

is extremely common in history and in the world. And nine out of ten men or women who, you know, remark about this have their own past. Surely we're talking about to you. Hey, you speak from experience, man. I ain't no saint. Back before I was married, I got caught doing stuff but right so and did and i had to wait till i had low t before i could control myself but here's the thing as anybody who's cheated knows you do not cheat with the expectation of getting caught right i mean you don't think you're going to get caught. Yeah, I would agree with that. So on that level, the level of fame that Adam Levine has,

to think that he was not going to get caught is just absolutely delusional. Well, there's an old saying, when the dick go hard, the brain go soft. Perhaps that's applicable in this particular case. Well, look at Arnold. Arnold thought he had to figure it out. He's like, I can't do it. I'm going to get caught no matter what. I'll do it with my housekeeper. I'll shit where I eat and then make to figure it out. He's like, I can't do it. I'm going to get caught in a matter of minutes. I'll do it with my housekeeper.

I'll shit where I eat and then make her clean it up. And then the kid came out looking just like Arnold. Whoopsie cakes. I will say that this Instagram model that we just saw. Sumner. Sumner. I'm not saying I would refuse her, but I was not particularly. Not your type.

Blown away by her. She was very cheesy. Yeah. And very, like, plasticky. Well, you didn't know her when she was younger. It's possible, right? When she was young and naive. She was young and naive. If you would have met her three lips ago, you would have met a whole different person, Dan.

Now, do you know what his wife looks like? That may well be. Have you seen his wife? Yeah, she's very beautiful. You can put her up on the screen, Nicole, if you would not mind. Bahati. Her name is Bahati. That's not Bahati.

That's Sumner. You know what? She's not bad, Dad. She's not bad. She photographs better than she videos. I would say Sumner is certainly nothing to sneeze at. We want to see Bahati. But let's see Bahati.

Bahati, Bahati, Bahati This girl has now garnered God knows how many tens of millions She felt she was manipulated I wish I were manipulated like that Are you getting Bahati, Nicole? That's Bahati Primsloo In her Victoria's Secret regalia Guys, that's the tough time Adam was going through when he made the mistake.

No, I'm... I'll tell you, it never ceases to amaze me how you can get tired of anyone. I mean, you recall Hugh Grant was married to... What's her name? It wasn't Paulina Parsco. No, Hugh Grant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Liz Hurley?

Yeah. Liz Hurley, yeah. Who's gorgeous and cheated on her with a prostitute. Literally, a street prostitute. Yeah.

And there's no nice way to say street prostitute. Is that cheating? I don't know if there's... No, I'm looking at it as a tax deduction. Wait, wait, wait. That's cheating?

Because I've got to write an Instagram post about this. Yeah, well, technically that might not be considered cheating in certain circles. But the fact that he felt the need to go to a prostitute, wasn't it Divine Brown? Yes. You know, who is, I guess, you know, she was okay looking, but she was no Liz Hurley.

What would you say is the more embarrassing part of his story? Getting caught with a street prostitute or having to go on The Tonight Show to talk about it immediately. Well, he didn't have to go on The Tonight Show. He decided to do it, but it was the first time a celebrity kind of like faced something head on. He probably did have to do it, actually. Wasn't she also trans?

I don't know. I don't know. No, I don't think so. I think so. I think she, I'm pretty sure. That does not ring a bell to me. Stand by. But if that's the case, but however, if she is trans, that kind of explains it because that's an itch that he needed to scratch.

It wasn't just another woman, but another kind of experience. But I don't think she was trans. I don't think so. And going back to what you uh what you'd said about um people don't cheat in the hopes of getting caught it's like people don't smoke a cigarette thinking they're gonna smoke a pack and a half a day later down the road like it's it's something in them whether it's doing it behind that person's back you must have had women throwing themselves at you your proximity well sometimes that happens.

Not you, Dan. I'm sorry. Yeah. When I first started working for the show, we were doing these big comedy tours with Artie and Florentine, all these guys. And it was this wild circus show. We had Beetlejuice with us. We had a guy who— You can't get laid with the juice.

I mean, I watched this guy close deal after deal. No, seriously? Beetlejuice did? Oh, my God. Believe me. Were you married at the time? No, I wasn't laid with the juice. I mean, I watched this guy close deal after deal. No, seriously, Beetlejuice did? Oh, my God. Believe me. Were you married at the time? No, I wasn't married at the time. At the very beginning, I wasn't. And for me, being on the road single was a blast.

But once I met my wife, once I found the person that I actually... You became proactive. I actually gave a shit and listened to. You know what I mean? Like, that was different for me. It does seem to be the case that certain guys, like Paul McCartney, who we brought up numerous times, doesn't

have the urge to bang everything in sight. Well, not that we know of. Not that we know of. Listen, I went from running four or five open mics in Vegas to coming to New York, and now all of a sudden women are messaging me going, I'm a huge fan. Let's hang out. And it's like, you didn't know I even fucking existed until I got here a month ago. So the temptation, it's very easy to get caught up in it.

And when you're in a relationship maybe for a long time and that person and you kind of butt heads here and there. And then you have this person that's praising you and complimenting you and giving you all this, you know, love. And you're just like, you know, well, I'll go over here for a little bit. Right. Yeah. So what you're saying is that when women treat their husbands like shit, it's a two way street, too. Yeah. Or vice versa. What arguments are you making in your head right now? when women treat their husbands like shit. It's a two-way street, too, yeah. Or vice versa. What arguments are you making in your head right now? No, I'm just trying to read between the lines of what he's saying.

It's like, he's been talking a lot, right? And all of a sudden, he said a few sentences that sounded like he really came from the heart. And he says, you know, when somebody starts praising you, what did you say exactly? Like, when somebody starts praising you, and she, what did you say exactly? Like,

when somebody's giving you a hard time. Complimenting you. Oh, when you butt heads. When you butt heads and someone's treating you nicely, like,

he's like, he's like speaking from the heart there. Yeah, absolutely. But, another guy, Ray Romano,

there's another example of a guy who, I think, it's, I mean, we don't know, but it would not be ridiculous to assume that he's reasonably, if not entirely faithful, even when he was younger and at the top of his fame. So just different guys have different, I think, story recently from someone who would know that claimed, I don't even know if I should say it on the air. Well, but you have a tendency of starting things and then, you know, either don't bring it up. A former president, I don't want to say the name of the president. That a former president who nobody would believe.

Barack Obama. Barack Obama. You want Dan to say this in French? So you'll be covered. Had a dalliance. So Barack Obama? I'm not saying who it was. And that's why, I won't say who it was,

but that's why he and Michelle were in counseling. Your hands are clean. You did nothing wrong. That was very elegant. So, I mean, I don't know. But in this day and age, for you to be an entertainer, and in the, you know, whatever, in the internet world, to commit something to digital, you know,

writing something that people can save and hold on to is just, it's, it's more imprudent. Yeah. That's right. Obviously we all agree on that. Yeah. That's the main sort of thing though, is to,

to cheat. It's like, you can understand that people are flawed, right? And all of these temptations and rock star and all of it. Like you get that sometimes people cheat. Fine. But to take it to that next level of committing in such an,

it's so obnoxious and it's just insane. Like what is going through your head? Like that you think you're so impervious to getting caught or it's just it doesn't make any sense. It's almost like you want to get busted. A lot of them do. I had a prostitute hard sell me in Vegas once. I was sitting at a poker machine and i just hit a royal flush so it was like 1200 bucks so i'm waiting to get paid out and all of a sudden this beautiful woman just sits down next to me out of the blue like drop from the sky she's like hey how are you doing

tonight and i go great how are you i'm such an idiot thinking you know she wants to talk to me and she goes i'm doing great she's like big win big win. I go, yeah, it's crazy. I go, it doesn't happen all the time. She says, you want to hang out? And that's when I'm like, oh, okay. I go, no, no, no, I'm good. I go, I have a girlfriend, you know. And she goes, listen, if you're going to do something behind her back,

don't you want it to just be physical, no emotional attachment, you know. We're just going to go and have fun and i go no i'd rather not do either of them thank you and she was like 20 bucks blow job i go i'll meet you up so no but uh but yeah that's it's it's just the options in front you have to i think if you've been cheated on that helps make those decisions down the road you i'm sure you go into revenge mode for a little while in the next relationship maybe but uh i think once you once you've been stabbed in the heart like that by somebody i think it's much harder i it would be much harder for me to cheat on somebody uh after i felt what i was going to make them feel you know what i'm saying

chris rock once said that men are as faithful as their options. Sure. But I think he's wrong. As you've just illustrated, and the examples that I cited illustrated, many men have many options, and even if they do cheat once in a while, they're not cheating anywhere near in proportion to their options.

Even if Ray Romano cheated once or twice, and I don't think he did, it's far less than his options. And the same is true with McCartney. What's the number? Is there a number on these options? I mean, I'm sure the options are endless. That's what I'm saying. Man is not as faithful as his options. Man is far more faithful, typically, than his options.

How many cheats are you allowed based on your options is the question I'm looking for. What do you think is a reasonable number? Right. Well that's uh in proportion to the question for the for the ages you know omega sportsbook and look noam his brain is going a mile a minute i mean i'm thinking about a lot of things first of all you know like for every person that says essentially what shulie just said about you know you shouldn't cheat and you're, you know, after you've been hurt and blah, blah, blah. And we've heard men say this kind of thing before. 80% of them have cheated.

Like 80% of them. After they've been cheated on or before? In other words, yeah, there's no limit to what people will say and be lying. There's just no limit to it. I'm not saying he cheated or not. I'm just saying like, there's just no limit to it. I'm not saying he cheated or not. I'm just saying there's just no limit to it. Have you ever been cheated on? I'll put it this way.

Once. There's no reason to think anything. I would not give. This is not personal to him. This is just on GP. Just disregard everything he said to the extent that it tells you anything about what he has or has not done. That's what I would tell you about men. There's just nothing he said. the extent that it tells you anything about what he has or has not done.

That's what I would tell you about men. There's just nothing he said. That may be true, but it still doesn't negate the reality that there are men with a lot more options than they actually utilize. Well, but options are not the only thing. It's also what's the— Risk versus reward. No, what's the happiness of your relationship? There's a lot of things that go on in the equation.

And certainly there are some. How many drinks have you had? Stupid things like that. How many drinks do you have factors in, huh? Oh, of course it does. I think... Are we to take from this, Noam? I mean, given what you're saying,

one might find it reasonable to believe that you've cheated on Juanita since your marriage. No, don't do that, Dan. I'm a man who's lived in the world and I know all sorts of things about all sorts of people. And I know what they say to the outside world. And I know what goes on.

You know, I know how musicians, I just know, I know it all. We all do, don't we?, I just, I just don't, I know, I know it all. We all do, don't we? And I'm just, I'm just like, you guys are all full of shit and you know you're all full of shit.

And I mean, you, but how do we know? All right. But I'm just saying, um, you know yourself. And so,

you know, you don't know. But what I'm saying is I wouldn't even have, I, I, I have such a, an honest view of human nature. I wouldn't even,

I think it's even stupid to ask me. That's what I'm saying. Like, what the fuck are you going to learn from my answer yes or no? But I'm not asking you. Just disregard what a man says about any of these things. It's all bullshit. But we can still agree

that from what we know, it seems very likely that... I got caught cheating on 9-11. Yeah, we know that. And, but, no, but one... It's still a great story every time, though. One thing for sure is two 9-11s in one day. That as you get older, like everything men do that's bad, like rape and murder and car accidents and everything,

as you get older, the frequency goes way, way down. I haven't killed anyone in years. Yeah, so, you know. But we can look at a guy like Ray Romano, and we could say he's probably, if he has cheated, it's a lot less than he could have. It was probably an accident. And just what we know about the guy.

Yeah, what I know about his personality would seem to imply that he'd just be less taken with that stuff. Like I have two of my closest friends who are married in their early 20s. And there's no hint that either of them have ever cheated on their wives. They really seem to be faithful to their wives. And this is talking about almost 40 years married, each of them. But I don't necessarily believe them. I don't know. What? Do you think women cheat less than men? I don't know. What?

Do you think women cheat less than men? Of course they do. Don't you remember the Ashley Madison thing? Yeah. It turned out to be all men in hookers. I have to tell you something. I have... For people who don't know, Ashley Madison was this online thing that was supposed to be

anonymous. For men and women to have online thing that was supposed to be anonymous. For men and women to have affairs. Men and women to have affairs. And somebody hacked their database and released their entire subscriber list. And it turned out to be almost 100% men and hookers. That doesn't surprise me. That's hilarious. So in other words, no women were looking to have affairs on this website. But when I think, I just website I mean, this is anecdotal

but I have a few really close friends and the women have had more affairs than my male friends have had so I know a lot of women Yeah, women will cheat. They'll usually cheat with somebody

they know, which is worse in a way and they might even cheat with a friend of will cheat. They'll cheat with somebody they know, which is worse in a way. And they might even cheat with a friend of the family. And they'll cheat when they're unhappy. Yeah, but don't men cheat when they're unhappy also? I don't think anybody's in a great relationship who's fucking somebody else.

No comment. No comment. I don't think it matters to men. Really? I don't think it matters to men really i don't think it matters really yeah shuley thoughts on that well i think a guy who's gonna do it like yeah that it's just about doing it it's all that other shit doesn't factor in it's like uh it's one gear in that car. Yeah, fair enough. I guess that checks out. Men are disgusting.

It's quite a burden to be one. Alright. Get off the cross. We need the wood. We need to get a chance. So, surely, it seems believable. Did I pass the gnome lie detector test?

I mean, when Howard Stern used to talk about how he never cheats, I'm like, you know, I just don't believe it. Well, when you're that famous and you go around saying you never cheated and nobody's coming forward and saying, actually, yes, you did with me, then there's some credibility. I used to suspect that he and Robin were having an affair because, whatever, who knows. I don't.

I used to suspect that. Maybe. Well, Robin was dating our dear friend Jim Florentine. Yeah. One time, yeah. Yeah. Are you the only Jew in Huntsville? I've been dying to ask that.

Probably not if it's a high-tech town. No, there's another guy, but they got him. I got to watch my back. It's funny. They don't even know Jews out there. Julie Agar is not a name like Harvey Weinstein that the average person would even know what the hell it is. Right. You could say it's, not that anything you said would be much better, but you could say it's Armenian or Lebanese.

Right, right. And they'd probably say, okay. They wouldn't know one way or the other. I wouldn't have known if you didn't, for the name Shuley Agar. You wouldn't know that was Israeli? If you had told me that that was Azerbaijani, I would have said, okay. You know.

Really? Yeah, it's not an obvious name. Well, to somebody who's Israeli, you know, right? Unless somebody's Israeli, but anybody else, certainly in Alabama. Two people would know that's not Azerbaijani. Israelis and... Azerbaijanis. But no, they don't know Jews out there, so to them, I'm just Azerbaijani. But no, they don't know Jews out there.

So to them, I'm just a white guy. I'll do the Jew jokes and it goes over their head. They know there's something about you they don't like. I don't care what they're figuring out. I said, you guys will hate us by the time I'm done. Trust me, I'll do it. They know something's wrong. I'll teach you.

But you can't do Jewish material at Huntsville in that area. You can't. Unless it's very easy stuff like about being cheap. But you can't. You can't talk about, you know, I ate shrimp. Right. And do a joke about it. I don't think they know you're not supposed to eat shrimp.

I never open with Shabbat Shalom, everybody. I never open with that. Or can you believe it was Yom Kippur and you know, and I had something to eat. They wouldn't know that that was wrong. You're not supposed to do that. But something like, well, you know, I'm Jewish, so you know what they say. So, you know, I like to... Something about being cheap,

they probably would respond. Yeah. No, it's good because it gets you writing and doing different stuff. And I like it. I'm learning more about the South. And it's so different. I don't have any Jewish jokes in my act. Not because it's not perfectly obvious that I'm Jewish.

But they don't know enough, generally speaking, for it to be funny. I've seen you do hilarious Jewish material. Very so. The wooden material. Oh, yeah, because I'm performing at ******. Yeah. Which is her synagogue. And they know shit.

And I can talk about, you know, hey, Adon Alam is coming up. That's one of my punchlines. Obviously, that wouldn't work in anything but a synagogue. Right. It's time to go. I have to go home. It's time to go.

Thank you, Shuley Agar. Is it pronounced Agar? Agar. Does that have a meaning? It used to be Jaeger originally. Jaeger. Yeah. It's hard to hear the word Jaeger and not think of a tell saying Jaeger.

Yeah. But in any case, Shuley. Do people still drink Jaeger, Mike? I haven't even seen that. We were so in for a while. I haven't drank Jaeger since I was cheating. Shuley Jaeger or Agar thank you for coming at the shuley show shuley show uh as a podcast it talks about your life and your times with howard but also everything else yeah it's actually very rarely about howard and my times there uh there's a lot of a lot of different stuff i'm doing there you're you're an old veteran of

the show you remember stuttering john yeah i did stuttering john's uh podcast a couple months ago so for years he doesn't really stutter that much he's had a thing uh for me like he would you know trash me and he would accuse me of things while i worked for howard that could have potentially got me in a lot of trouble. And I always took the high road. And he's been doing a podcast for about five years now. And he's built a following of people who pull clips of his podcast where he screws up things or says stupid things. And so one of my side podcasts that I do now is I just play clips of his podcast and dissect. It's called The Uncle Rico Show,

named after the character Napoleon Dynamite, who sadly only lives in the glory days. That's a thing we're doing, The Miserable Men Show. Myself and a bunch of comics do another podcast. Go to The Shuley Show, Shalom Shuley, on social media. And if you're ever in

Huntsville, stop by for Shabbat's lunch. Yeah. Shuley's house. Can you try to get Sumner on the show for next week? Well, I'm sure her agenda is probably pretty full. Why don't you just DM her? No, I'm sure. I would literally...

Okay, if you could have either Adam Levine or Sumner on the show, who would you rather have? Sumner. Absolutely. Adam's not going to say shit. Yeah, Sumner. Sumner would be awesome. But we're not going to get Sumner.

Or even a friend of Sumner's. I think we'd have a better shot at Barack Obama than Sumner at this point. I think we have a fully reasonable shot of getting Sumner. All she wants to do is video. Like, what are you talking about? You're acting like she doesn't want the attention. Right, yeah. She's a victim, her victimization.

Well, then give her, try to get in contact with her. My guess is it's going to be quite difficult to do, but give it a try. Perel Ashenbrand, thank you for coming. Ask her if we can pay her by the minute. Once again, once again, Nicole

Lyons. How does it work? Fans only? You pay them? Only fans. I'm sorry, I'm just saying like, so we could actually, if we could just pay her only fans to talk to her. She's not a motel, no. No, but they did it like,

they live chat with you for money, right? No, but I don't think she does that. I mean, I don't think she, you're talking about porno and I don't think she does porno. It's not just porno, whatever. I don't...

If there's some way... Okay, to pay her... Pay for On Demand and make that a podcast. You're going to have to bump one of your legal scholars if you really want to. I think they would love it. I don't mean to go full Israeli here, but I think you don't have to pay her at all. All you got to do is send her a message and go, can't believe how you were manipulated. We'd love to hear your side of this.

Well, I don't really, I don't like to, what you're suggesting is a little bit dishonest, you know, as far as I'm concerned. I don't know if you're being serious or not, but I prefer to be with guests. Let them know what they're in for. If they're in, if they're going to, if it's going to be, you know, adversarial, then I think they should know that. But sometimes you don't know if it's going to be adversarial. Sometimes you don't. Sumner is not going to be adversarial. It's going to be, yes, we understand.

That's terrible what he did. What a monster. If that's how you want to do it, then fine. Why would we be adversarial with Sumner? Well, you don't need to be adversarial, but you also don't need to just agree with her either and tell her that she was manipulative. Okay, so you can be the bad cop and everybody else will be the good cop.

She said that she thought that he was having problems in his marriage and they were splitting up and he just wasn't saying that because he didn't want it to go public. That's what I'm sure he told her. Right. He's what I'm sure he told her. Right. He's disgusting. Well, look.

He should be ashamed of himself. Sumner, can I just tell you? Look, I mean, there are limits. If he said, I love you and I want to marry you and I'm breaking up with my wife, then yeah, he did manipulate her. I mean, maybe. Well, how about saying,

I want to name my unborn child after you. That is a weird move. That's manipulative. Yeah. Podcast at ComedySeller.com is a weird move. That's manipulative. Yeah. Podcast at ComedySally.com. Let me say one more thing about this. It really, as much as I'm trying not to be judgmental and I'm pushing back because I know it's holier than thou

or something I don't ever want to be. Can you imagine if he named that child Sumner and he knew every day that this child was named after his mistress? Yeah. And can you imagine if someday the mother of that child

finds out that this child was named? I mean, this is cruel. It's horrible. And gratuitous. It's horrible because it's not necessary to the goal of just trying to get laid. It's almost

sociopathic. It actually is. Well, I don't know that he would have done that, but maybe. You know. I find it hard to believe he really would have named the kid Sumner, but in any case. He also went on the Tonight Show, I think it was Tonight Show, some show, and he had his guitar, and they asked him to play the theme song from Sesame Street, maybe like

Jimmy Fallon does like a karaoke thing or something like that. And he came in in the wrong key, which was interesting to me. Unforgivable. No, it was just interesting to me. Says a lot about a guy, huh? It is a little tricky that the way the chord is in Sesame Street, you could hear it being one of two different keys,

kind of, but only a less talented musician would have come in on the wrong key. You could probably find it on YouTube. That always stuck with me about Adam Levine. He's not a genius. He's not a musical genius. He's good.

He may be a clever songwriter, but he didn't come in in the right key on Sesame Street. That's crazy, because he did, at Howard's birthday bash, he did a Purple Rain cover and was, like, it was amazing. It was really, really good. So it's interesting that he had... Oh, he's good. And, you know, I'm sure if he he practiced or whatever, he'd be great. Doesn't he have that super famous feminist song, Nicole, that's like all these big well-known women are with him on stage?

I'm not sure. I mean, I get that vibe. His Instagram has all these pictures of supporting women. Do we all agree in general that you really ought to be cautious about the guy who's like, where, what, what's his,

what was his recent scandal of the guy in charge of the company, uh, who was, you know, always talking about how he loved women and treating women. What, what, what,

and, and he turned out, he was banging women left and right. And he was using his company as a way to seduce them. I mean, how many, how many, uh,

uh, ministers or whatever, evangelists, are sitting there, you know, railing on gay people, and then you come to find out that, you know, they're having relationships and stuff, right? You're saying beware the male feminists. Girls Like You video is a who's who of feminists. This is June 2018.

It's... By the way, we don't know that just because he cheated doesn't make him anti-women. No, nobody's denying that he loves women. No, absolutely. Maybe too much. What does that say? I mean, one can be a feminist and still...

What was that company where the guy was seducing all the women? Was it just a few weeks ago? My memory's gone. As in, men shouldn't be making laws about women's bodies. Did Adam Levine? Oh, yeah. Six of them. ago. My memory's gone. I said, men shouldn't be making laws about women's bodies. Did Adam Levine? Did Adam Levine? Six of them. Six.

Oh, my God. Wow. Comments turned off. Yeah, this is a perfect example. Just do not trust a guy like that. He's doing it to get laid. It's so true. The louder they're yelling about it, the dirtier they are when it comes to it.

But also, isn't a law saying abortion is legal a law about women's bodies? Right. Anyway, that's the flaw that I find in that argument. I know we have to go, and let me tell you why I know this, just to punctuate my point. I've said this before, but you guys will agree. Like, on racial issues,

you could sit around with a bunch of guys, and, like, if guys and like if somebody says if somebody were to say something racist everybody's like what the fuck's the matter with you people will actually say in small groups of dudes things about how awful

racism is I have never been in a group of guys where anybody ever said anything about a woman where another guy said oh no you shouldn't talk that way about women it just like doesn't exist and certainly no man has ever said in about a woman where another guy said, oh no, you shouldn't talk that way about women. It just doesn't exist. And certainly no man has ever said in a group of guys, men shouldn't make laws about women.

It's the kind of thing a man only says for the audience of women. But men will say in a group of guys that abortion should be legal. If it comes up, they'll say, I'm pro-choice. But they won't use that construction. Mike Kaplan would. Maybe. You're right. if it comes up, they'll say, I'm pro-choice. But they won't use that construction. In other words...

Mike Kaplan would. Maybe. Well, you're right. In other words, this kind of... When they pretend to feel about feminism, whatever it is. Well, even one better. That's totally false.

How many guys are involved in picking the name for their kid? Oh, no, I was. I was, too. But you'd think a majority of the stuff, the guys are like, whatever you say, honey. They just go along with the flow.

You guys are just disgusting. I don't know what to tell you. This is just a painting, a picture of reality. No, I get it. We're on the outside of that picture. Oh, my God! Wow. Is that actually his shirt?

Yeah. Adam Levine, let the record show, Adam Levine is wearing a shirt that says feminist. That is amazing. While he's making fuck eyes at somebody across the room. Well, I mean, again, to be fair, there's nothing he did that was not feminist. Oh, really? Really, Noam? Fucking a slew of other women while your wife is pregnant

and offering to name your unborn child after some fucking girl you met on Instagram, that's not anti-feminist? Well, we don't know how close. What defines feminist? Pro-women, pro-equal rights. Yeah, I think it's for equal rights. He's definitely pro-women. I don't think it's anti-women. It's just anti-one woman.

I mean, if he were gay, he'd fuck another dude. It's not about that. It's not about gender feelings. It's about not being true in a relationship. It's not anti-women. He's more pro-scumbag than anti-women.

Yeah, he's just being a dick. He may well be in favor of equal rights and likely is. He may well be in favor of equal rights and likely is. He may well be in favor of abortion and he likely is. He better be, yeah. You know, he may well be in favor of equal opportunities and he likely is, but he also...

I feel bad for his wife. I mean, I'm pretty sure if you were to take the survey, the less feminist a guy is, the probably more he respects traditional married relationships. It's kind of like pro-family. Bullshit, too. But we do agree that a guy that has the temerity to post

don't make laws about women's bodies is suspicious. Yeah, absolutely. A guy who wears a feminist t-shirt is suspicious. And there was a great SNL sketch about that where a guy is like, goes into a bar, and he's got like a shirt that says the future is female, and he's talking to this girl,

and he's like, hey, you want to go out? And she's like, oh, no. And he's like, what the fuck, man? I got used to F word because it's SNL, but he's like, what do you mean? I got a shirt that says the future is female. He's getting all outraged. It's a really funny sketch on SNL.

But anyway, okay, are we finished? No, I'm against your logic. I'm against the side. It's like if you rape someone, does that also mean that you're not, like you can also be a feminist, but you're raping people, but like you believe in equal rights and equal pay?

I mean, no, you don't get to both of those things. It doesn't pan out. I don't know that rape is analogous to having a consensual affair, but to answer your question. She said she felt manipulated, Sumner. Well, we'd have to hear her side of the story. To answer your question, I want to say again that if it was a gay man who cheated on his boyfriend or husband or raped another man, I don't think it has anything to do with the issue of how you think genders should be treated or whatever. It's just a selfish, sociopathic act to satisfy yourself at the expense of others. It has nothing to do with your political point of view.

That's all I'm saying. Could Ted Bundy be a feminist? Let me put it this way. You could be a racist or not a racist if you steal from a black person. That's not an indication of how you feel about racism. You might be totally against racism, but you stole from a black dude. Not because you, because you stole. You want the money.

You know, you're not, the race doesn't matter to you. That would be my answer. Adam, DM me. I'll bang you, dude. Okay. Bye, everybody. That was an abrupt ending, but.