The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel

Episode Date: February 7, 2020

Caroline Aaron and Judy Gold

You're listening to The Comedy Cellar, live from the table, on the Riotcast Network, riotcast.com. Good evening, everybody. Welcome to the Comedy Cellar Show here on Sirius XM Channel 99. My name is Norm Dorman. I'm the owner of the Comedy Cellar. I'm here. Dan Aderman is out. He's in Mexico City opening for... Louis C.K.

For Louis C.K. I don't know if he's in Mexico City. He's in Mexico. Oh, he's in Mexico opening for Louis C.K. I Louis C.K. I don't know if he's in Mexico City. He's in Mexico. Oh, he's in Mexico. Opening for Louis C.K. I hope the wall doesn't fall on him. On my left is Pierre. Periel Ashen.

Pierre. Pierre. Thank you. Pepe Le Pew. It's a Periel Ashen brand. She's an author and producer of the show. She has a book, The Only Bush I Trust Is My Own, which my daughter found

and wanted an explanation. It's a picture of Perry O'Neal. Is that true? Yes, it's a picture of Perry O'Neal naked on the cover, covering her private parts with a picture of George W. Bush or something.

How old is your daughter, Noam? She's eight. It's time. Okay, and joining us, Judy Gold. Judy has innumerable TV appearances and has stand-up specials on HBO, Comedy Central, and Logo. What's Logo? Logo is a, is it still operating, Logo? I don't know.

It might be gay. It was a gay. It was a gay thing. Are you a gay? Oh, my God. No. No. Her newest album, Conduct Unbecoming. Yes.

Good name. Thank you. Is available now in her book. Yes, I can say that. When they come for the comedians, we're all in trouble. Is forthcoming. Yes, in July. In July. From Day for the comedians, we're all in trouble. Is forthcoming. Yes, in July. In July.

From Day Street Books, and I thank you in it. Day Street is a... Day Street. A Day Street. I thank you. You're in my acknowledgement. I appreciate that. Thank you, Judy.

Whatever. No, that's great. And to her left, Caroline Aron, actress of stage and screen and TV currently. The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, mother of two, wife of one, and writer of plays and essays. I met you for the first time the other night. We were hanging out with Mike Moynihan. Yes. And that was a fun evening.

And you know... And I saw the great Judy Gold last night at 54 Below. Thank you for coming. Oh, it was sensational. Yes, I was at Feinstein's 54 Below last night. Yes, she was. Fancy dancing. What's that face, Noam?

You're allowed to perform wherever you want. I know, but you gave me a look like, why would they want you? Listen. No, the look was, why do you want them? Oh, it's so great. Have you been there? I'm saying, why don't you want us? Do you want to pay me what they paid me?

No. No. Okay, so wait, Noam, you have to pay me what they paid me? No No Okay, so Wait, know them You have to say Well, we give the whole door sometimes to people who do shows at Underground Oh Yeah, I know

I get the door That's a lot of money I know, but it was more than Feinstein No, it wasn't More? No, yeah, I got more What's the ticket price at Feinstein? $50 for a salad

So just go from there I don't know $50, $6, I don't know It's very expensive It's like a know. It's like a supper club. It's like a supper club. $40 cover. Whatever. Listen.

I'll get Modi. Go ahead. You have to say that Caroline played Esty in the Greg Giraldo pilot. Oh, yes, I did. Yes. I didn't know that. Yes. Yes, I did.

Common Law. Is that what it was called? Common Law? It was called the Untitled Greg Giraldo Pilot because they could think up, you know, 100 pages of dialogue and not a fucking title. Right. I said, if you can go to all that trouble, give it a name. It's like having a child and raising it and going, we can't do something.

Yeah. So did you come in? So SD is our, you know, legendary booker here at the Comedy Cellar. Did you study? Did you come and study SD when you had to play her? It was all comedians and me, and they gave me the history of SD's reign. Did you know you slept with my father? I did.

They did say that you had to sleep with SD to get a good slot. Yes. She didn't like you. You went on after midnight. Really? That's what they told me. I didn't sleep with her. What time did you go on? I did went on after midnight. Really? I didn't sleep with her. I did go on after midnight a lot. I kind of fingered her.

What the fuck? Oh, Judy. This is radio. That's Esty. I know. I'm sorry. I just can't even believe. I wasn't even thinking it was Esty. But you know, Esty...

Tell me about her. Very attractive. She was like... Hot. Oh, super hot. She was the fucking hottest thing. I mean, you couldn't even... Wow, and I got cast as her.

Yes, she used to sit down there on the bench right at the door and she'd watch every show and she'd smoke her cigarette. And she was so, I can't even tell you. Just gorgeous. Always wore low cut outfits. Low cut with those boobs.

She was really something else. Okay. Take care. Who's the comedian? I'm losing my memory. A famous comedian said that Esty had the best body

he'd ever seen in his life Stevie Wonder no he works in LA now he's older I'm kidding he's Jewish he's Jewish oh my god

anyway so go ahead you want to you want to do your you want to guide our conversation Dan is out in Louisville. Sure.

Dan is opening for Louis. And apparently, this is a hot topic still. It is a hot topic. Have we had enough of Louis C.K. really? Well, I'm interested in what you have to say, Ms. Gold. About opening for Louis? Yeah, you said you were going to open for him. Well, he asked me to open for him, but I couldn't do it.

But you would do it. Right. You couldn't as opposed to wouldn't? Right. I think I would. I mean, part of me doesn't want to open for anyone, no matter who it is. That's a different thing.

That's the issue. It's the guilt by association we're interested in. No, I don't. You know what? I feel like he is, I know this is so unpopular, but. Go for it. He's a comic. That's what Kevin, you know

my pretend husband on Maisel, Kevin Pollack, said that Louis is an exception to some of these other comedians. He said he will come back. He will be embraced. He said because he always admitted who he was as part of his act.

He has not ever been hiding anything from anybody right and also here's the thing in his life it's like i i equate him a little bit with al franken al franken's policies were so pro-women like he was in in the senate and and fighting for women. Absolutely. And Louis, head of his production company, a woman. He gave TV shows. He created shows for women. For women, yeah. The head of his casting, woman.

I mean, name another guy comic who has produced like a sitcom or a network television show for a woman? Go. I don't know. Woody Allen, everybody works for him as a woman. Really?

It's true. Absolutely. Yeah, you've been in a lot. No, I'm just saying. But I'm just saying, what guy comic? Harvey Weinstein? No.

No? He's a criminal. All right. You know, look, we can go on and on about the Louis. No, you can't compare those two. You cannot compare them. Right. Nobody should think that's what I meant All right. You know, look, we can go on and on about the Louis. No, you can't compare those two.

You cannot compare them. Nobody should think that's what I meant. No, I know. Don't you see what I'm saying about Senator Al Franken and masturbated on women? Who did? He didn't masturbate on the women. I'm kidding. I know.

In front of. Look, he did an abhorrent, disgusting thing. I don't know if he was abhorrent Frankly Well I mean I mean I don't know If he

If I I know this is unpopular too But if it was me in the room And he was like Can I I'd be like Louie No

I don't want to see your Fucking red pubes I don't want to see them Like but that's me Cause I would You know You'd Right

You'd Jinji shame him Yeah Jinji Jinji Jinji Jinji I can't Because all I'll remember Are your red pubes On your red balls You know. You're Gingy Shaman. Yeah. Gingy, Gingy, Gingy Shaman. I can't because all I'll remember are your red pubes on your red balls. No, you remember the freckles on his dick, too.

Yeah. Do you have freckles on his dick? They all do. I don't know. You sucked it. No. It was dark. You can't see that in the dark.

I'm kidding. Anyway, okay. So, today. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Anyway, okay, so today... Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Did you see Mitt Romney's speech today? Yes. I saw, yeah.

I keep playing it over and over again so I don't hit the pavement. What'd you think? Well, I thought it was anemic, but I was thrilled. Romney's speech was anemic? A little bit. I mean, we were just so excited about it because it was on the right side, but I did hear something right before I came down here that really was cheering, which is that is the only vote in history where someone of the opposite party voted to remove the president. Is that true?

That's what they said on the news. But he only voted guilty in one of the articles. The other one was, I mean, the obstruction article was ridiculous. Nobody could vote yes for that. I could, easily, but nobody elected me. I mean, the abuse of power one, at least you can make the case. The obstruction one was... Refusing to hand over any documents.

Yeah, that's what Branches of government do That's why we have a court But where's the fucker's tax return? Like, he's just Obstructed everything That's not why they were Repeated for tax return I know

Noam's a lawyer So just beware No, the obstruction thing was absurd It wasn't absurd It had a lot to justify it I don't agree with that I don't agree with that either And there's a lot of lawyers

Working in the Senate Who also thought it was a supported article. They are idiots. There is no such thing as when one co-equal branch of government asks another co-equal branch of government for documents. Right. And one refuses, like Obama refused during Fast and Furious. He handed over 13,000 documents and withheld 3,000. It was because it was unilateral.

Then they take it to the Supreme Court, and then it becomes obstruction. The court decides. Right, and what do you think the Kavanaugh court is going to— Well, then that's legal. I mean, that's the court. That's the system, but they— But the system is broken. But I don't know what the Kavanaugh court— I think the Kavanaugh court might have voted with Trump.

They told everyone never to respond to Congress's subpoenas. Hold on a second. That is obstructing Congress. The Kavanaugh court could very well have gone with the Democratic House. A, the Roberts court upheld Obamacare. B, the Roberts court legalized gay marriage. And C, it was the Nixon Court that ruled unanimously that Nixon had to turn over the tapes. Yes, but that was a very different time with very different people involved.

The Roberts Court... All right, you guys are fanatics. What can I tell you? You can't blow us off as fanatics. Fanatics? We're not fanatics. We read. All right.

So. Look, we don't agree with you. You hate when people don't. You love to fight. It's fascinating to me that here's a guy, Mitt Romney, who really gave a devastating speech against Trump today. Oh, I'm glad you said that. I didn't find it devastating, but I'm a devastating speech against Trump today. Oh, I'm glad you said that. I didn't find it devastating, but I'm glad you did.

It was. And you guys are not satisfied with it. Like, what do you expect? I thought it was fine. I wasn't satisfied with the vote. I liked it. I thought it was great. Oh, I thought it was great, too.

And I thought he was also really emotional. Like, he just couldn't fucking do it. Susan Collins, she can go shove it up her fucking ass. I mean, like some of these people. And then they played all the people who said, he absolutely did it, but it's okay. Right. Like Lindsey Graham is a disgusting excuse for a human being.

Mitt Romney. And why won't any of the little boys come out and say, I was in a relationship with Lindsey Graham? You want to out somebody because you don't like them? No, I don't want to out him because I don't like him because he's a hypocrite. He's a liar. He votes against LGBTQ. What did he vote against LGBTQ?

He voted against gay marriage. They never voted for gay marriage. Right, but he was against it. One man, one woman. Was he the only gay person? No, he wasn't, but he was against it. One man, one woman. Was he the only gay person? No, he wasn't, but he's gay. He's gay. He's gay?

I didn't know he was gay until today. I didn't know he was gay. Judy, what is with you? I don't know. I'm so tired. So you're saying that if he doesn't agree with you, he should be outed. No, I don't.

I think he's a hypocrite. She said he's a hypocrite because he's voting against gay. Okay, he's a hypocrite. That doesn't mean you have to call for it. Right. Right, but it's like, you know, you act like. But I know gay people who are not for gay marriage. You do? Yeah.

You know some too, I'm sure. Okay, so what's that mean? I'm curious. I know some gay people who don't want to get married, but don't. Like Rachel Maddow doesn't want to get married. But they're not against you having the choice. Right, but we should have. The choice. I'm not against gay marriage the choice. Right, but we should have the choice.

I'm not against gay marriage. I'm saying it's not, whatever. I just don't agree with this thing about getting even with people because they don't agree with you. Look, it's not that they don't agree with me. It's that they're corrupt. It's that he's a liar. And that his, the way he votes affects where I live. And it affects me personally. And when you're a hypocrite denying who you really are, like, that's why I love Mitt Romney.

He really talked about, it wasn't Senator Mitt Romney. It was Mitt Romney who was speaking. So that's why, you know, Lindsey Graham has, I don't know what the fuck happened to him. I mean, he hated Trump. He was friends with Biden. And now he's... He's gone insane. Yeah. He's sort of gone insane. Do you have any sympathy for someone who

might have been born and seared, as it were, by a life experience that just makes it very, very hard for him to admit to his family and the people around him and his church, whatever it is, that he's gay.

Oh, of course. Of course. I know what that feels like. I didn't then become a representative who denies when people ask if he's gay. I don't lie about who I am. And I don't vote against my own interests and the interests of the people of my community. I don't think, well, I mean, I agree with you, he probably would have voted against but I don't know that there's actually been a vote

that he voted that you're referring to. But his influences are in order to protect his secret he goes really far out on a limb to vote the other way. Why would, is he okay with trans people being excluded from participating in military service?

Well, that's interesting. If he's gay, is he gay? No, I'm just saying, is he? I don't know, but do you think that being gay... I don't think gender and sexuality are the same thing. Ed Koch never came out. Yeah. He also...

Yeah. Questionable. Patti LuPone tells Senator Lindsey Graham to bite the bullet and come out as gay. Right. Newsweek. Lindsey Graham, you are a disgrace. But do you have... Now, you asked me if I have empathy.

Do you have empathy for that kid who's sitting in his district who wants to be a senator and is like, oh, I can never come out because it's very dishonorable. It really is. It's very dishonorable. And Pete Buttigieg, are you just looking at your phone? I'm reading about Lindsey Graham.

He's reading about Lindsey. Pete Buttigieg, he owned it. He owned it, even though I don't want to vote for him. I do, but that's neither here nor there. But when Rachel Maddow took him on about being in the closet, and she said, you and I are exactly the same in terms of our education. I went to Harvard, then I went to Oxford, and she said, I went to Oxford 10 years ago,

and when I was there, I was the first openly gay person that had ever been given this honor. And she said, it's 10 years later, and when you were there I was the first openly gay person that had ever been given this honor and she said it's 10 years later and when you were there you were in the closet so are you telling me in a decade the needle never moved and she was really sad about it and his answer knocked my socks off because he said

I am more than my sexuality and the two things in the world that are the most important to me are my service in the military and the fact that I'm a mayor. And he said in order for me to have come out, I had to know that I was risking giving those up. And I had to think long and hard about whether I wanted to. And I really respected that. Sort of what Noam said. So Lindsey Graham in 2016 agreed with Jeb Bush and said that the Republicans should abandon their anti-gay marriage position.

That was when? 2016? 2016. But you know that he's had a complete person. It's like he's been captured. Remember, he was John McCain's best friend. He said they should accept the court's ruling. He also said that Trump was crazy. Okay, that's 2016.

And then before that. Four years later. Oh, so you're holding him accountable. Leave him for, so there's no reprieve. It doesn't matter what he thinks now. No, he can evolve. He can evolve. It's what he once thought, which is now he's going to be outed for what he once thought.

No, no, go forward. Don't go backwards. Go to 17, 18, and 19. This was 16. Yeah, that was 16. He's been transformed since then. It was 2015, actually, when he said it. So what is he saying now, though?

Yeah. I don't think anybody's saying anything about gay marriage anymore. It's already legal. There's no issue anymore. I just meant his stance on it. That's not true. Go look. Where's he a senator?

South Carolina. South Carolina. They just banned gay people from adopting. There's an adoption agency. I don't care. He's a state senator. No, no, no. I'm sorry. I know.

I'm just saying, in his state and Jews, Jews cannot adopt from this one. He's upholding their right. Hold on a second. Yes, it was... It's a Christian... Now Noam's like, what the fuck? He's Jewish.

It's a Christian adoption agency. They said no gays, no Jews, but they're going to get state funding. That's fucked up. That's not right. That is so fucked up. Noam, what do you think? Sorry.

I don't know if I care. I don't know. You should care. If a Christian... You should care because a child is going potentially without... So a child should stay without parents. Didn't we legislate that if you own a barbershop, you have to also cut the hair of an African-American man? Didn't we do this? No, no, that's different.

Is that different? No, you can't. If you're open to the public, what I'm thinking is that if I was Hasidic or Orthodox Jewish and I started an adoption agency to place young Jewish babies in homes. So listen, we're religious and we're looking for Jewish homes and not gay homes. Because that's what our religion. Okay, that's fine. Would you take money from the government?

That's our religion. Would you take money from the government? I don't think it's such a straight ahead question because you want these kids to have homes. Yeah, isn't that the most important thing? Yeah, so without the money from the government, they may not be able to make it go. Well, or if you didn't have... This is those taxpayers' money. You cannot deny them the opportunity.

A South Carolina group can reject gays and Jews as foster parents, not even as... That's sick. Foster parents. That's really sick. All right, but you know that there's a... Is it sick?'s really sick. Mm-hmm. All right, but you know that there's a... Is it sick? It is sick. You know how many times I've heard black people say

that they don't think a black baby should be adopted by white families? And you can agree or disagree. Nobody ever called that sick. I don't even get the comparison. I don't get the comparison. You don't get the comparison? No, what's the difference? There's plenty of people who think that if you have a little black baby,

that they should be adopted by black parents. Right, but they're not. But if you have a Jewish baby, you're not sick to think they should only be adopted by Jewish parents. Come on. Oh, no, no, no, no. I don't think it's sick. It has to do. I think that to deprive a child of a home.

I'm not saying you are. I'm not sure that you have any evidence that anybody's being deprived of a home? I'm not saying you are. I'm not sure that you have any evidence that anybody's being deprived of a home. Well, do you like Lindsey Graham? What do you feel about him? I go back and forth about Lindsey Graham. It does bother me that he seems to be so pliable. Yeah. But he's always been a pretty moderate guy, and I like that about him.

But until recently. No, he's still moderate. Listen, I think Trump is not shorthand for arch-conservative. Trump has actually moved the party way towards the center compared to, like, the Tea Party. Not with the judges. Are you kidding? Are you kidding? Are you kidding? Oh, wait a minute.

The judges. Kavanaugh was a pretty sensuous judge. Okay. Okay. Now, I'm sorry. What about Merrick Garland? Do you think he should not have had, they should have not even met with him? It has nothing to do with Merrick Garland.

No, I'm just asking. No, Merrick Garland should have been appointed. Okay. Thank you. That's all I have to say. But Kavanaugh and Merrick Garland. But what about all these other judges, these 35-year-old judges that he's He has dismantled every

single. Listen, ladies. Trump is a Republican. He wasn't a Republican. He turned into one because they were all like, oh, yeah. Wait a minute. You said that he's moved the party to the center. Of course he's moved the party to the center.

And the environmental protection, he has gone way right. If you compare Trump to the Tea Party, which was ascendant during the Obama years, Trump no longer wants to touch entitlement spending. Trump no longer wants to go into any foreign wars. Except for he started one by assassinating. I mean, this is what I mean. Trump didn't start any war. It could have.

That was really close. I don't know that it was close, but you know what? A lot of wars have been started by failure to act as well. It's not easy stuff. Can I just say something? It's not simple math. I understand.

And we can sit here and say, he's this, and we can sit here and say he's this and he's a moderate and he's this. In a lot of ways, he clearly is way to the left of like Ted Cruz. Of course, yeah. And I agree with that. I don't know what ways Lindsey Graham has gotten more conservative. And I understand that. But the fact that he can behave the way he behaves and act like he is only the president of the Republicans. Trump.

Oh, yeah. That he's only the, to call senators and fact that character, these people who were the moral majority, and the fact that they're okay with his behavior, I'm sorry, the buck stops at the character. Sorry. Just so you know, Lindsey Graham— Well, the buck doesn't stop at the character. You wish it would, but it clearly doesn't. It doesn't.

He did just— In 2017, as opposed to his 15 stands, he links gay marriage with polygamy. He thinks that if you are... It's the exact same thing, and polygamy is against the law. Well, I think it is the same thing. Okay, I gotta go.

Tell me why... In other words, if you tell me it's none of my business who I live with and how I'm married to, I'm like, you're right. If you tell me I want to have two wives, I'll be like, it's none of my fucking business either.

Why do I care who you live with? This is what he said recently. The GOP should take gay marriage. So you're saying your marriage is the same as another guy who has two wives. I'm saying that if you told, if somebody told me

that they had two wives, I've actually met people that did not try. But polygamy is against the law. I understand. And he thinks it should be against the law. It says right here,

it should be against the law. Let me see. He says what should be against the law? Polygamy should be against the law? No. Gay marriage should be taken.

This is his motion. He says, this is the headline I'm reading that you just gave me. Graham, GOP should take gay marriage constitutional amendment out of platform. Right. That means except, Graham said on same-sex marriage, except the court's ruling.

That's what you just said. Oh, that's not the right website. This is from 2015. 2017 is the one I wanted you to see. Why are you in such a bad mood? Bad mood? I just read out loud what she gave me. She gave me a drop the mic moment. I did. I did. And I had the nerve

to read it out loud. I did. She's right. He wins that for sure. I just, I clicked on the wrong thing for you. It's this most recent position. In any case, it is interesting that your problem, usually when somebody compares it to polygamy, they are making the point, we can't allow this because

the next step is going to be polygamy. You're burying your pet. A bestiality yeah but but having said that it is worth considering why it's okay to tell gay people they can't they can't or why you it's not okay to if we tell people gay people they can get they can get married why can't you have several wives or husbands why it's clearly out of out of order to have two women that you live with. Because we're talking about one gay person and one other gay person. That's what we're talking about. Yes.

Two people. That's it. Polygamy is a whole other issue. But Noam is saying if it's a private issue, should it not be accepted like any other private issue? So I understand that, Judy. We used to think it was about a man and a woman should be together. But we were totally off. What we were missing was what really matters is not more than two people.

That's the rule. That is the offense to God. Whatever you want to say. More than two people. I don't think it's a God thing. I don't think people went to church when gay marriage passed. I think they went to the city hall. I think that's where they went.

The people who opposed it would often oppose it. Right. But it's like. By the way, you know who's someone who used to say all the same stuff that Lindsey Graham used to say? Barack Obama. That's right. Exactly the same. Right.

But I don't see your anger at Barack Obama. Because there's a learning curve. We have to let people learn. His children came home with friends who had same-sex parents. Second of all, that's number one. And he was like, oh... I was wrong. I'm sorry. He said I was wrong.

I would like to see people do whatever they want with their lives. None of my fucking business how many wives you have. Okay, then the government should not be involved. I agree. Okay? So that's it. Why is it not okay for the woman who went to Florida? She went to Disneyland with her two kids and her wife or partner. They were married in New Jersey, but same-sex marriage was not legal in Florida. And she goes

to Disneyland and one of the women suffers a massive stroke, is in the hospital, and they don't let the wife in because she's not considered next of kin in Florida. Right, right. The kids were not let in. Yes. She died alone in a— It's horrific. That's not right. No, it's horrific.

That's one of the very— Okay, so that's two adults. No, but that was one of the very strong arguments which led to the legalization of gay marriage. Right, but it's like until we had the AIDS crisis and people were, you know, like gay men were dropping like flies. And their families who had abandoned them were saying, you know what? I know you lived with him for 30 years, but he, you know, you're not getting anything. You're not getting any of his stuff. You're getting out of his apartment.

We don't want you at the funeral. It took us to get a fucking plate. Judy, this is the thing. You can look back on everything in the world, everything in history, and look back with horror at where it is we came from. But where we were

was the product of the time and place that those people came from. Right. But where we were was the product of the time and place that those people were born. Right. And I prefer to think about how far we've come and... Well, you can do that because you're a white male. No, no.

I'm saying... I'm saying as a man, anti-Semitism... Like, I can look back on the 40s... Oh, anti-Semitism, but it's getting bad again. And women, why? It's making a comeback.

If it gets bad again, it gets bad again. What I'm saying is to look back at the 30s, let's say, Eleanor Roosevelt and all of them, and dismiss essentially everybody who lived before Barack Obama because we can say, well, you know, they were against gay marriage. They were anti-Semites. They were all the things that people were in those times. Right.

And they evolved. And no good person was born until, you know, 1990, whatever. Okay, that's fine. But let's take women's rights. Let's just take women's rights. Why are women's health clinics being shut down? I didn't know they were. They're being shut down. Why are they being shut down? Planned Parenthoods are being shut down? I didn't know they were. They're being shut down.

Why are they being shut down? Planned Parenthoods are being shut down. Those are... Because what's happening now, Norm, I agree with you. Planned Parenthood is a private organization. Right. And they're being shut. They get government funding. Because they are the primary caregiver to so many poor communities. Yeah. For women.

Has anybody cut back their money? Yes. And they've closed them down. And they've closed them down. And they've closed them down because if they perform abortions, they don't think that they should have government funding. I thought they did. I could be wrong. I thought that they talked about it, but they didn't. But what you said, Noam, I think is true. And I say to my daughter all the time, the airplane view, let's say, of women's rights is there are doors that are open to me that were not open to my mother.

There are doors open to my daughter that were not open to my mother. There are doors open to my daughter that were not open to me. And I said to her, progress is inevitable. But what seems to be happening right now politically is going backwards. It's the rise of anti-Semitism. It's the racism. It's the white supremacy. It's the anti-woman. It's the misogyny. We cleared these things up in that sense of progress. And we should be moving on. Yes, we did. We're making America great again because it was so much greater before.

You know, I grew up in Richmond, Virginia. My mother was a big civil rights activist. I lived through the integration of schools. I saw that community come together. And now it is the hotbed of white supremacy. 20 years later, it's so sad that all the work she did has been undone in two decades.

Planned Parenthood withdrew from a program. They lost $60 million in funding because the I'm reading really quickly, but I think it says that the money was now having a string attached that you about when you couldn't, couldn't, couldn't, couldn't refer women to abortions.

That's right. I don't know why they pulled out for that, but I guess that's a protest. I mean, we presume women know they don't need somebody planned parenthood to tell them that there's such a thing as an abortion. They are not. Not only that, they're forcing them to look at... They want them to wait.

Yeah, and they're forcing them into exams that are... So they're forcing them to look at the... Alternatives. The ultrasound? Oh, yeah. I'm actually for that.

Okay. I mean, you can yeah. Yeah. I'm actually for that. Okay. When you're pregnant. I mean, you can't force them, I guess, but I actually... But what if I don't want to? Why do I have to? Yeah, I guess you can't force somebody to do that. And the other thing is that they're trying to get them to wait until weeks. They're giving them... And then most people don't even know they're pregnant at six weeks. They're giving them...

And then most people don't even know they're pregnant at six weeks. Right. And then they're giving them exams. Like, you actually don't even know that you're pregnant. Right. I just want to say the following. Okay. You're on dangerous ground right now with me.

I am? Yeah. Okay. That when I saw the ultrasound of my son at three and a half months, sucking his thumb and doing a somersault, whatever it is, I thought to myself at the time, boy, I'm really happy that I saw this because I would have wanted to have seen, like, if we decided to have an abortion, I wouldn't have had any idea exactly what I was doing. That's three and a half months. Yeah. You have money. You have a house.

Options. You have options. You weren't raped. Let me put it in a different way. Okay, okay. So let me say two things. So when I was in law school on the issue of capital punishment, a lot of liberals used to say that execution should be on television. And the argument was that if you believed in capital punishment, you shouldn't get away with not having to look at it. You should see what it is that you think is right.

Similarly, when the kids were in cages at the border. Oh, absolutely. Seeing that is very difficult for the people who wanted to look the other way, wanted to make it legal, said it's okay, all excuses. They have to see it. Because when you see it, it's... It's devastating. Yeah, yeah.

So, the idea of sheltering a woman from the ultrasound... Woman. You're saying woman. Yeah. Sometimes it's a girl. Or sheltering the girl. Sometimes it's... Who's been raped.

Well, let's take the case of a woman. Just let's take... case of a woman. Sheltering her from that decision is, in a way, removing from her the necessity of really coming to grips with what an execution looks like, what a kid in a cage looks like. It's like, you know, you want to... But your trauma... Let me just ask you something. But it's also, you're saying three and a half months.

We're talking weeks. So I'm just saying that you can't force somebody to look at it. I'm not a crazy person. But I guess I just give the idea that the knowledge of seeing it is nothing to be dismissed. But you're a man. No, any human. Okay, can I say something? Yes.

Okay, so that's actually, any human. Okay. Can I say something? Yes. Okay. So that's actually an interesting point. Okay. That is an interesting point. That having been said, you have to consider a couple of other things. What if, so, and I don't want to bring up like another super explosive topic but the we had a conversation with somebody who said something um and you said i want to defend like every instinct in me is to defend your right to say what you said as free speech and a comedian but it's sort of like having to defend an ak-47

mm-hmm so it's, what if that person is an 11-year-old girl who has been raped by her father? Like, you can't draw those kinds of lines. I mean... Listen, I'll say it again. I think it's a choice between sheltering somebody or traumatizing them. Traumatizing somebody who may have been

a victim already. You can't traumatize them. I don't... I'm not pro-life. I know you're not. I know you are. I don't, I'm not pro-life. I'm pro-choice. I know you're not. I know you are. But, but, and there was a recent, you know,

really good article, Caitlin Flanagan in The Atlantic. I know, I know. I read the things that you sent me. But on top of that, I sent you something.

So now they're finding out that fetal pain. Yes, I know. I read the article. It starts much earlier than they thought of. Oh my God. So all these things

are very disturbing and it does seem to me in some way that there is this urge to not, don't intrude upon me the things that will make this difficult for me.

But it's already difficult. You act like it's not difficult. This is the thing I hate that I don't think people really understand. It is so traumatic to make that choice. Maybe there are people who do it casually or use abortion as birth control or go, oh, I'll just get rid of it. None that I know.

Zero. No, not zero. I know people. No, I don't know anyone. No, I know one. For everybody I know that has gone through it, it's very upsetting. You don't need to be more upset by it. I'm not saying it's horrible. I'm not saying it's very upsetting. Yeah, it's horrible. You don't need to be more upset by it. I'm not saying it's horrible. I'm not saying

it's not horrible. Of course it's horrible. Of course it's horrible. Of course it's traumatic. What I'm saying is that... You're saying to expose people to the reality. No, what I'm saying is that to say that because it's traumatic, then no matter what might be true, whatever facts

a reasonable person... Would you want them to make another choice by being more informed? If you know that the, let's say that a four-month-old fetus, let's say it came out, would suffer excruciating pain, excruciating pain in this procedure, is that something... That would change the decision? Is that something that would change the decision? Does that something that matters?

Of course it matters. It matters at four minutes. It matters the whole time. It always matters. If you know that the... You can't parse it. You can't parse it. It matters no matter what. You are deciding to

stop a pregnancy. And it matters. It's just a choice you have to make for a variety of reasons depending on who you are as an individual more information about causing a fetus pain or seeing what it really means doesn't necessarily change you act like it doesn't matter if you don't know right It always matters in the biggest way. And it's happening to this woman's body. You're watching. Do the people who want to make the abortion more difficult, they want to put more obstacles

in the way of it? They want to discontinue it. Are they, is there something about their position that you can understand a little bit better? Absolutely. I understand. Not when it's a fucking man. When science... I understand their position, but not to I understand. Not when it's a fucking man. When science... I understand their position.

Let's presume it's a woman. But they can't legislate for me. But why is it okay? They cannot legislate my body. I understand their position. They absolutely have a right to it. You know what the problem is? You know who it becomes more difficult for, really?

It doesn't become more difficult for somebody like me who could go to a private doctor, who could pay for whatever. It becomes more difficult for the people who it's already more difficult for. What if I wanted to legislate and say...

Wait a second. Respond to that, because that's a real point. And also, women died getting abortions on kitchen tables. Not anymore. Died. also, women died getting abortions on kitchen tables. Not anymore. Died. Yeah, no, they died, but I actually did some research about what it was like in Ireland when Ireland had

abortion was illegal in Ireland and between prescription drugs now and anyway, that's beside the point. If I wanted to legislate the following. You can't legislate somebody else's body. And I said, okay, abortion will be legal, but after three months you have to give anesthesia to the fetus. You cannot legislate what I do to my body.

You can't legislate giving anesthesia to the fetus before you can kill it? Well, I'm not a doctor. I don't know enough about it. I'm just saying you don't get to decide. I totally. Listen, my mother, who was a huge liberal, said to me, if you ever get an abortion, don't tell me. And I went, what? I mean, it was so not her.

And she said, sometimes it's really selfish to be honest. And the only person that would do anything for is you because you would be able to tell your mommy. And she went, I think everyone should have a right to make that decision. But I could never make that decision, but I could never make that decision. I think there's a lot of people who feel that way. It's not about abortion itself.

It's about who decides. For me. Right. You don't get to decide. Well, you don't think nine-month abortions are okay. You don't get to decide about somebody else.

You think a nine-month abortion is okay? Well, a nine-month is a viable... I'll tell you what Katherine Hepburn said about this issue. She said this is all Puritanism because in a society, if we really believed that life began at conception, we would have funeral arrangements and burial rites for miscarriages, and we don't.

Some people do, actually. Not in general in American society. Religious people do, actually. Not in general in American society. Religious people do. But it's your body saying this is not a viable fetus, so I'm getting rid of it. Or stillborns. We don't bury stillborns. So does that mean all your sperm that you jerk off to? No, sperm is not the same.

Why is sperm not the same? Sperm is not a human. Sperm is just a single cell. So what is a human? A fetus? I'm not sure if you're doing it on purpose because you know this question is difficult or not. Are you saying that one cannot regulate a ninth month abortion? There is no such thing as a ninth month abortion.

There isn't a ninth month abortion. That's not an abortion. That's murder. Yes. Okay. When does it become murder a nine month abortion That's not an abortion, that's murder When does it become murder? Do tell me when it becomes murder That's up for doctors to say I'm not a doctor I think that the actual medical answer

I mean I think there's actually Do you guys hear that noise in your head? I think there's actually a medical answer I just don't know the answer There is no answer Of course not, there's actually a medical answer I just don't know the answer There is no answer Of course not there's no answer There's no I mean if you want to go by the definition

Of death which is like when the heart rate Stops and the brain starts It's very early You can't have an abortion in nine months Unless you're about to die Because of legislation You can't legislate somebody's body Do you know what an abortion is An abortion of nine months unless you're about to die. Because of legislation. Right. So she's saying you can't legislate somebody's body.

Do you know what an abortion is? If you were nine months pregnant, you'd be delivering a baby. It's the same thing. How about a seven-month-old baby? You're delivering something that's viable outside the uterus. It's the same procedure. So viability meaning what? If it can live outside the womb without assistance. Without assistance.

Without assistance? A baby can't live without assistance. Without assistance. Without assistance. A baby can't live without assistance. No, no, no. What are you talking about? I'm talking about medical intervention. Where you're put on machines. Where your basic systems function on their own. That's the medical definition.

That's right. A viability. If you can't survive without this respirator, we don't consider you a life worth living. We don't consider you viable. Nobody said a life worth living. Nobody said that. So we'll legislate. Oh, come on.

I don't think anybody's really thought this stuff through. I mean, you can legislate a woman's body, but you can't legislate a woman's body. And you're going to hate this, but what happens? You're going to say I'm trying to hedge and change the subject, but I'm not. What happens to all of these babies after they're born and nobody wants them? Right, that's totally changing the subject. Also, so why is Viagra covered by insurance? Because erectile dysfunction is a problem in part of your body that needs

medical attention. Is that a trick question? No, it's because they don't cover the same for women. Women? What do you mean they don't cover for women? How much do you think you've spent on pads and tampons?

Are you saying that... Why is the guy can't get his dick up? Okay? He can't get his dick up. He has something wrong with his dick. Are you saying if you had a vaginal lubrication problem that was... Well, they've made female Viagra now.

It's not covered. Yeah, but if you had a problem, a medical problem with the functioning of your vagina, and it was a drug to help it, it wouldn't be covered by health insurance? I find that very hard to believe. I don't think so. I don't know. Of course it would be.

But in terms of sexual function, women's sexual function medication is not covered. Do you think, if men got their periods, do you think they would have petitioned for the government to provide tampons and pads and... I don't, I hope not. But, I mean... Okay. Noam, you will admit that it's sort of tilted towards the male perspective, right? I'm just, that's what Judy's sort of getting at.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. You have a few more privileges. I don't know that what you're saying. You're saying two things. You're saying that certain things for women may not be covered. And if that's true, then I'm 100% on your side. Then you're saying that. I wish I got that on tape. No, but then you're saying that.

You did. A penile dysfunction, whether it's like Peyronie's disease or whatever. Right, right, right. Some sort of medical condition. Just age. Some medical condition. That's age. It's just age.

High blood pressure could be age too. Right, but this is about your penis. Or prostate swelling or But suppose nothing's wrong, you just have low testosterone. Well, low testosterone is a medical problem. Okay, but why is low estrogen not covered? Low estrogen should be covered.

It's not. Well, then I think you're 100% right. But I don't see how low estrogen could not be covered. It's not. It's considered, you know, it's your choice. Elective. You don't get it covered. So if you don't have any money

and you have no sexual desire, you're just out of luck. Who cares? Okay. Can we talk a little bit? Is low T covered? I mean, if you're correct, then that's outrageous,

but I don't know that that's true. But the next question is, is a woman's... But it's also like birth control is not covered. And yet I, a lesbo, lessee, who doesn't need birth control, it is often used for medical purposes. I was on birth control.

Headaches. Because of hormones. I think it is covered. If somebody prescribes it for... As a matter of fact, I think, you know what, this is interesting. I think that Viagra is, or one of those drugs, is actually not covered by some medical plans, but is if the doctor prescribes it for prostate swelling. There are things like that.

But basically, in philosophy, I agree with you. The only question I haven't had time to think about is whether menstruation, you know, menstrual pads or tampons, do I think that that's the same as medical care? Of course it is. Yes, it is. Of course. First of all, if you have weird periods, there's something wrong. If you have no period, there's something wrong. Of course they should be covered.

Drugs for menstrual cramps. To me, that's not much different than saying toothpaste and toothbrushes should be covered. These are ordinary parts of it's not a sickness, it's just the things it's true, it's unfair that women have to do things that men don't, but I'm saying

it's still not something that's, it's not medical attention, as it were. It's just... Medical maintenance. Normal maintenance of being a human. Well, I mean, you can't walk around without a tampon or a padden because you'll be bleeding out all over the place, right? Yeah, yes.

But that doesn't make it medical. I mean, you can't walk around without clothing. You'll freeze to death, and that's not medical either if there was a disease where guys just shit out of their ass or just bled out of their penises like a fistula

so that's covered isn't it do you think that they wouldn't have been like listen my penis can I tell you really where I'm coming from? On a lot of these things, I'm sure I would agree with you. Right.

However, there's also a lot of exaggerated disinformation out there. Right, right. Of course. That always turns out to be, oh, that wasn't quite as bad as they made it seem at the march. Right. You know, and that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know quite if all this is true, but to the extent that it's true in a big picture, of course, I want my daughter to be treated exactly the same way as my son.

If anything goes wrong with her body, she'll be no different if something goes wrong with his body. Well, then she should be allowed to have an abortion if she should ever want one. But when she gets her period at 13, I don't know that... She could get it earlier. They're getting it earlier these days. They are. I don't know that I She could get it earlier. They're getting it earlier these days. They are. I don't know that I would think that... Getting it at nine?

I know. It's ridiculous. Some girls get it at nine years old. Whatever. When she gets her period at whatever age it is, I'm just wondering if I think about medical insurance needs to pay for her tampons. It just seems like... I mean, nothing's free.

It's not like it's getting paid for by some other country. We all pay for it anyway. It's something... It's an expense like diapers. Those guys are perfect diapers. Medical doesn't make for diapers either. But it only happens to one gender.

Yeah, it does. Do you think if it happened to men, they would have found a way to have it covered? That's all I'm asking. I actually don't. But you could be right. Okay. I mean, I know that if women were in charge, they'd find a way to cover it.

Right. That's right. Seems fair. So you're doing it. Plus, I should get money for all the, you know, undergarments I ruined. And going back to abortion before we move on. I'm pro-choice. I've been involved in abortions.

But what I do object to. What does that mean, involve you to perform them? What I do object to is... He's aborted people's careers. Yeah. What I do object to is, like this article brought out by Caleb Flanagan in The Atlantic, it is not nearly as easy an issue as... Nobody ever said it was easy.

People who want to interrupt you and shut you up to make it out to be. That's bullshit. That's bullshit. Nobody has ever said it was easy. And if you ever talk to any woman who's had an abortion, it's never going to be like, oh yeah, I'm going to go have an abortion. It's not like they wait until I'm getting a feeling.

If your answer to the issue is the following, I don't want to hear any of that. It's a woman's right to choose. You can't legislate. That means it's quite easy. No, it doesn't. It means that all this stuff about fetal pain, about the development, about viability, all this, this is not the point.

No, that's not true. All I need to know is, it's in the same way that I can't, don't give me any reasons why slavery would help. You can't make a person a slave. End of story. That's easy. And I don't think abortion is quite complex. I think that

There can be a final answer even despite the fact that it's complex. I think there's an irony that I believe that I'm, I'm guessing here, but I believe I'm right that the What is going on with that microphone? That the pro-choice I don't know. I just didn't feel like leaning forward.

No, go ahead. I don't want to. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, I'm done. Go ahead. You had a new subject. You said you had a new subject. I was going to change the subject. Okay. Go ahead. Well, maybe it's not entirely changing the subject,

but Rush Limbaugh being presented with the Presidential Medal of Freedom cheapens. Cheapens. It cheapens. First of all, what freedom? He called Michelle Obama a gorilla in heels. He said Chelsea Clinton is the baby, is the dog in the White House. He is a partisan hack.

He's done nothing to help other people. A meme. It must be true. You know, shame on anybody for taking information from me because I just saw a whole Snopes thing today

about the things that Rush Limbaugh supposedly said that they couldn't prove. Excuse me. This says, you know, you really,

the previous medal of freedom honorees, Muhammad Ali. I know. Neil Armstrong. Right. Rosa Parks. Ellie Weisel. Mother Teresa. Don't you say it's a meme?

It's not a meme. Of course it's a meme. Anybody with Photoshop can put that together. Well, fair enough. But those things are true. All of those people really did receive freedom medal of freedom honorees it's yes it was they said it was one of the most brilliantly staged tv shows right his state of the union speech and they all said you know he's a great reality tv show guy well that's

what he is that's what he is and he does that he's also very anti-lgbt and he's had four wives um he's coming out against he he really, he's promised to. And he's a drug addict. He was addicted to OxyContin. He was because he never drank or anything. Oh, what a horrible. I'm just saying. But yet he disparages other people for the same thing.

He's trying to get abortion made illegal. And how many abortions? I cannot find anything here about Rush Limbaugh calling Michelle Obama a gorilla in heels. He called Georgetown law student Susan Fluke a slut and a prostitute. Let's stick to— He argued with people. It actually does quite bother me. Right.

You can't just go saying stuff that may or may not be true because it doesn't matter whether it's true or not because somebody I can't stand. But the president does. He referred to— He'd be just like the president. He compared Barack Obama to a cartoon monkey. He regularly commented on the show. Obama's bot. This is from Business Insider. Let me see that.

What's Business Insider? It's a fucking magazine. I'm buzzing, Noam. I don't know if it matters. Lots of buzzing. You hear buzzing? I don't hear buzzing now. I don't hear buzzing, Noam. I'm buzzing. All the people who hear buzzing are correct and all the people who don't.

This is not coming. It does matter if it's true or not. You should look at Snopes. I'm looking. What did Snopes say? I'm hearing it. We're buzzing. I know. Just forget it.

I'm trying to find a reliable source It doesn't matter He said a lot of outrageous things, I'm sure Does he deserve the Presidential Medal of Freedom? Does he deserve that? Does it cheapen the It cheapens, yes Do you want to tell us

What else Cheapens things is people, you know, reveling in the fact that the man is dying of cancer. No one said that. Are you crazy? Have you seen the tweets that are going around? No. Well, I didn't say that. This whole long article is, you know, compilations of all the tweets. No, that's not okay.

That's not okay. That's terrible. It's terrible, even though he would do it, but it is terrible. I used to commute early mornings, when it was like 11 o'clock in the morning in the 90s. I used to listen to him. And he had this kind of Don Imus

meets here thing. And he would say a lot of outrageous things. He was good at what he did. It wasn't as if he was the governor of Virginia dressing up in blackface. And he would say a lot of outrageous things. He was good at what he did. It wasn't as if he was the governor of Virginia dressing up in blackface. And he would make jokes. He was funny, too. Yeah, but I never, I didn't, and I listened to him for many, many hours over the years. And I have no doubt he said certain things he shouldn't have said.

But he was never one of these hateful, mean. He wasn't? No, no, he really wasn't? No, no, no. He really wasn't. Oh, then you're saying. Ever. Like when he would have callers who disagreed with him. I remember commenting at the time.

He never used to hang up on them. He never used to be mean to them. He would listen to them. As opposed to like Bob Grant or Mark Levin who were just total assholes. Like hate radio. Yeah. And then I would hear him described as that. And I'd be like, that's not what he is.

Like, why are they saying that about him? Now, if he made certain jokes that he shouldn't have, of course I'm not going to defend that. But he never struck me as being this evil force. Rabid. No, he never did. And I'm sure that a lot of those quotes are not true. Has he been on the radio recently? I mean, I don't follow him, so I don't. And I felt bad for him because he's completely deaf.

So when did his show go off the air? He got his cochlear implants. A lot of people can't afford that. That is covered by health insurance. Jesus Christ, Jerry. I still need them. Point is that I... Why is he completely deaf?

He had back pain, and he became addicted to painkillers. Right, OxyContin. And he was getting them illegally. All right. And I know that bothers you. And then... She's law-abiding. And then these painkillers are insidious.

Yes, they are. Got taken over by painkillers are insidious. Yes, they are. Got taken over by painkillers. And then one of the side effects is that it causes very quick onset deafness. Wow, I didn't know that. Before he knew it, he went deaf. And for a while, he was using a stenographer to do his show. Wow. And then he does his cochlear implants.

And what he's done is kept it very quiet. He's done very few interviews about it. He still does his radio show. He's persevered. He also has tremendous tinnitus, a huge whooshing sound in his head all the time. That's so funny. And call me whatever. I was extremely admiring of somebody, right, left, or whatever.

Yes, yes. Who fucking, like that would have just destroyed me if I had a career in talk radio and I went deaf and you couldn't hear and I couldn't hear and I had millions you know he still kept at it keeps optimistic whatever it is maybe he gets bitter and lashes out was I don't know like so yesterday in front of the Congress it was clear to me because, because it doesn't work well in loud, reverberant halls. It was clear to me that he couldn't follow what was going on. So people started making fun about him acting like he didn't know he was going to win the Congressional Medal of Honor, all that stuff.

Oh, I didn't know that. So I actually did some research this morning about how cochlear implants work. Is there a delay? No, it goes from like 90% intelligibility, like just a regular conversation, to like maybe 5% or 7%. Basically, you can't understand anything in a big crowd like that with echoes. Oh, and there's too much cross-talk and stuff. Well, and just the natural reverberation of a big hall, you know, like in a room like that. So he might have been left out of the whole thing in a way.

Yeah, well, I think his girl, his wife was signaling him, whatever it is. And I found the whole thing a little heart wrenching. And yeah, he didn't deserve the medal, but that wasn't his fault. That's Trump. Oh, for sure. Like the lashing out at him. Well, Trump just does things to like, you know. But you know, Obama didn't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize either.

You know, and people lashed out at Obama at the time. I'm like, why are you blaming Obama? He's just accepting the prize, you know. Like, of course he didn't deserve it. He hadn't done anything. But, like, I didn't hate Obama for that. I thought the Nobel organization was daft. I can't respond to that because it seems so silly.

What, about Obama? Not deserving it, yeah. Well, he hadn't even been elected yet. Okay, well, you know. How could he deserve the Peace Prize? No, but he didn't think he... Listen, he had done nothing. Martin Luther King won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Do you know what Martin Luther King went through? No. Tell me. And then Barack Obama was elected president having done nothing. And I don't think it's a big anti-Obama thing to say, well, he didn't actually deserve the Peace Prize. It's just for living, you know, for getting elected. Well, how about for getting elected to the most powerful position in the land as an African-American? That's a lot.

Well, in a certain sense, I would have given the Peace Prize to the United States of America for that, actually. Well, maybe that's kind of what they were doing. Well, okay. I think that's kind of what they were doing. He represents the think that's kind of what they were doing he represents the united states of america so i thought that kind of was appropriate i wish he still no matter how you slice it my point is that if you agree with or disagree with it it's not obama's fault no it's not it's not a rush limbaugh's fault i agree trump's you know was was trying to trump trolls the whole country. He knows great television. I have a friend

who was on The Celebrity Apprentice twice, and she said she has never seen anybody better at television than Trump. Oh, yeah. He knows exactly what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. She's been on television a long time,

and she said, she called me one day and said, do you want to have lunch with Emma Rosa? And I went, you're not friends with her, are you? I'm just going to vomit. She went, oh, no, no, no. You have no idea who she is. Trump

just told her to act that way because he said, television isn't good without a villain, and I've picked you. I said, how much of that was configured on the Celebrity Apprentice? She said, oh, 90%. And he knows exactly what he's doing. And he knows exactly what he's doing by picking Rush Limbaugh and hauling him up

he's brilliant at it if he has one talent it's that we should talk about your TV show yeah I've been trying to for the love of God but the Democrats are so stupid because they have this Trump is giving this

speech about this poor black girl, mother. And Nancy Pelosi sits there, I'm not clapping for this. First of all, I'll say one thing and then I'm done. I am going to agree with you on this. I know, but this is why they're stupid. They can't get beyond their bubble in the sense that they want to appeal to their friends in New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and on Twitter. But the truth is that presidential election requires winning the votes in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, whatever.

And those people, when they see Nancy Pelosi not clapping for anything that Trump says that's good for America. They see her not clapping for... There's a guy dying of cancer and they're looking at him and clapping. She was clapping. No, no. She didn't clap. She actually looked away at her papers. It's like they're saying to her, what are you doing? But why? I understand, but he...

He was lying. I compared him. But if you're a voter and you see her put down that partisan for a second and just clap, oh, yeah, great. She did. There's many pictures from last night. Not about Rush Lova. Oh. I would say as a voter, I'm like, oh, you know what?

That's the kind of person. These are the kind of people I want leading the country. Look how they – merciless is not a good look. Magnanimity is magnanimousness, magnanimity is a good look. But it's not required of the president? I'm just saying. No. I don't believe.

Yes, of course it is. But if he doesn't do it, instead of looking like the mirror image of him, expose him, make him look small. You don't have to play that game. But, no, that's the big question. That really is, because I was very upset when I saw her rip up the speech. It made me so sad

because I thought, it's Donald Trump's final victory. He got her to get down in the mud. Yeah. And I was so sad. And then other people said, no, that's exactly what she should have done. Somebody's got to hit back.

I don't know what the answer to that is. Yeah, I don't know what the answer is. The answer is easy. You know, Michelle Obama said, when they go low, we go high. There are many people that think that's over. That's stupid, and we shouldn't be playing by that rule book. Be passed. Be passed.

A moderate voter in Ohio, what do you think they want to see? You don't have to answer it. I don't know. That is the question Nancy Pelosi should be asking herself. And if she thinks the moderate voter that she's trying to win is happy if she doesn't clap for the black girl, then don't clap for the black child. Okay, first of all, the names he's called her, the names he's called Adam, he calls Nadler a sleazebag in a foreign country. Clapping. But not for Trump.

She clapped for a few things. Okay. Sorry. She did it because it was a bunch of lies. Because he lied. And he did lie. He lied. I'm talking about that.

I'm talking about when she wouldn't clap for some of the people in the wings. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You know what? Trump's going to win again. And your attitude is the reason. He is going to win again. No, he's not. No, he's not. Yes doesn't matter. You know what? Trump's going to win again, and your attitude is the reason. He is going to win again. No, he's not.

No, he's not. Yes, he is. No. I've been saying it for months. Please don't say it. He's going to. He's 100% going to. Oh, please don't say it.

Who's going to win? We don't know. There was a time when there wasn't Gandhi, and then there was. Are we going to talk? Yes, can we please? And you want to talk about the Ari Shaffir thing too you put on here? But first of all, well, Judy's ordering. Can we talk about your amazingness? Yes, sure, let's do that.

Why not? And this show and your illustrious career. I'd love to. Please. It's so not as important as what's going on, but we can just take a break. This will be all right. Yeah. Let's just take a break, a breather.

So my husband, who, you know, is not interested in anything I do, when I told him that Caroline was coming on, he was like, oh, my God, really? Oh, great. What about me? He loves you, too. He knows you, though. He's met you. So, can you tell us a little bit about Mrs. Maisel? Wait, we're not talking about Ari Shaffir?

No, I'm kidding. We can do that, too. I can tell you anything about Mrs. Maisel. So, first of all, I love your sweater. That's the tits up. That's from the show. It's from the show. This was my Christmas present from our star,

Rachel Brosnan. Amazing. All right. Can I just say a couple of things? Go ahead. When are Jews going to play Jews?

You know what I'm saying? Okay, wait. I'm watching the trailer for like the plot against America. Oh, yeah. John Turturro. I auditioned for that.

You did? Yeah. For which? Why did Jews have to play Jews? Who cares who plays who? I'm just saying. It's annoying. Well, because I know there has been a tradition.

Neil Simon was the most guilty of it, where you'd go see a Neil Simon play starring Blythe Danner and her daughter. And you're like, come on. There are some Jews that are in the entertainment field. They might be available, too. What's very interesting about Maisel is Kevin Pollack, myself, Michael Ziegen, we are the Maisels, we are all Jews. Right. Tony Shalhoub, Maren Henkel

and Rachel Brosnahan are the Weissmans. All Gentiles. Right. So it's so perfect in terms of the story of the show because we're closer to the shtetl in terms of the story. And they're more assimilated so it kind of worked out. Tony Shalhoub is the nicest person.

That ever lived. Ever lived. Known him for 35 years. I mean, I met him. I did an episode of Wings, right? Oh, I do too. Many of them. And he says to me during that, while we're shooting, you know, my wife and I, we're going to come see you at the comedy store.

I'm like, okay. You know how they all say that? The wife is this famous actress. Brooke Adams. Brooke Adams, who I love. The divine Brooke Adams. Love her. They came to my fucking show.

Wow. They came to my show. And I bet they had a great time. What are you looking at? No one does what they say. I'm just trying to keep my composure. Shut the fuck up. And he has been, he's so nice. No one does what they say. I'm just trying to keep my composure. Shut the fuck up.

And he has been, he's so nice. He saw me in Shakespeare in the Park. He's just a fucking, he's the greatest. I want to tell you something. You said you wanted to know about Maisel. Sorry. The show is just, it's brilliant. We all truly like each other.

I don't know if she did this. I asked somebody recently. I said, do you think that Amy Sherman Palladino is so talented that she cast chemistry, too? And they went, probably. But it is, you know, because people always say that. Oh, we all love each other. We really, we're all, Michael Ziegen, who plays my son, is starring off Broadway and Bob and Carol, Ted and Alice. Oh, yeah.

We're all going together on February 13th. It didn't get a good review, though. I know. He told us. He warned us in advance. Oh, okay. But we all going together on February 13th. It didn't get a good review, though. I know. He told us. He warned us in advance. Oh, okay. But we all want to be together. We're happy to see each other. I mean, Tony and I have worked together.

Kevin and I have worked together many times, so that was sort of circling around. He doesn't have a great reputation. No, and you know what? I heard that. Yeah, that he's not that nice. That's the reputation. I'm not saying he's not that nice. Let me ask you a question.

So first of all, this show appeals to my wife, who's Puerto Rican, and from all the way from my wife, from Bed-Stuy, or wherever she's from, from Bushwick, to one of my rich, super, you know, what do you call it? Venture capital. Right. Oh. To my husband who's from Israel and been here for 10 years. I'll tell you something really interesting.

It's so beautifully shot, too. I saw a documentary last night. What? Called Miracle of Miracles, which is the history of the show Fiddler on the Roof. Oh, yes, yes. And it's so wonderful. And they show the production being done in China, Thailand, Japan. They show Japanese people doing it. And they're like, Fiddler on the Roof. Oh, yes, yes. And it's so wonderful. And they show the production being done in China, Thailand, Japan. They show Japanese people doing it,

and they're like, Fiddler on the Roof. Oh, Fiddler on the Roof. Wonders, wonders, miracles, miracles. And every single person internationally said they think the show's about them. And Tony and I have discussed this ad nauseum, which is when they first sent us the script, I was like, okay, Jews will like it.

New Yorkers will like it. That's a lot of people. It should be on for a while. It is such an international hit that, and I think it's the same thing that they said when I was watching this documentary. Everyone in some way thinks it's about them or their family. I can't, it's lightning in a bottle. Nobody can explain it because it's so specific. And you know, they've never been able to they've tried to put a Jewish family on television to no real success. That's so interesting. Who is the person

in Amazon who had the sense to green light this idea? He's been fired for sexual misconduct. He was in the last... A lot of the greats can't keep it in their pants. Is that true? Yeah. I can't remember his name. I think he should get it in their pants. Yeah, there was a... Is that true? Yeah, there was... I can't remember his name. I think he should get a pass for that.

Oh, stop it. But, you know, I want to tell you something that we probably don't even know. I was out in California during awards season, and I was at a party, and a woman came up to me, and she was, you know, rhapsodic about the show, and she said,

everything you do in the show, my grandmother did. When my grandmother died, there was $5,000 under her mattress. When my grandmother died, we found maps to think. So she said, every single thing you do. And she was with another woman who said, this, I'm Jewish. I grew up in New York. This is my life. This is exactly like me. And she got very teary eyed. And she said, I've never seen anybody like me on television. Now, what's really funny, like my family, and I thought, we're all in show business, so we are used to that, but if you think of being a civilian out in the world,

you have a particular background and ethnicity, and popular culture has never, you've never showed up. And it meant, I thought, wow, it means the, don't you remember when the Cosby show came on and the entire African community said they never saw a middle-class family on television where there were black people. It rocked their world.

And she was describing it the same way. And I said this to you. I mean, the way you walk it's like i'm with my grandmother yeah and my and her friend i i it takes me back like when and i go when when they're in their bedroom when and i'm like i could walk on that i could be in my grandmother's house that's what people feel like i it's like going home it's so do you feel like because so much of your act is about ethnicity and about your own family have you ever seen that i've never seen that let's let's get a little less jewy here just for a second. What was it like to work with Woody Allen? Okay, let's leave the Jews out of it. You're such an asshole.

Let's leave the Jews aside. I worked with him too, but not like Harry. You were in Crimes and Misdemeanors? Yes, I was. And what was your part? I played Woody Allen's sister twice and in Deconstructing Harry. And how well did you get to know him? Not well.

Not well. But, I mean, he's genuinely a shy man i i did a broadway show that he wrote like four years ago i hadn't seen him in 12 years he just called me i was living in la and said i've written this play i would like you to do so there is a sense that um we know each other i would i've been to a couple of weddings where there was an overlap and sort of saw him socially. But recently I got a letter from a documentary filmmaker who directed me in Curb Your Enthusiasm, who is putting together this incredible defense of he's so outraged that Woody's legacy is being dismantled by these accusations. And he was looking for allies.

And because I've done a lot of press for Maisel recently, the first question is, what do you think about Woody Allen? And I go, okay, just, I'm a country of one, but I have complete confidence in his creativity and his character. And I would do anything for him. You said that good for you. Yes, I have many times. So they found out.

Somebody heard it and this filmmaker got in touch with me and said, you know, we may need you. And when I started seeing that they, you know, Amazon, who is, thank you, Uncle Jeff, for paying my rent, however, will not release his last movie, has withheld all the money.

You know, just all of, you know, the young Hollywood cabal has decided that he is one of the bad guys and he should be shunned. The AFI took all of his movies out of the top 100 movies list. He's being dismantled little by little by little. And it makes me really sad. I have to say, that makes me really sad. I have to say, that makes me really sad. But then I guess I'm a hypocrite because the NFL honored O.J. Simpson. No.

In the Super Bowl. He was one of the hundred greatest. Oh, because they were doing that laundry list. Right. And that bothered me. But he murdered his fucking wife. Well, he was not convicted of that crime. Right. And that bothered me. But he murdered his fucking wife. Well, he was not convicted of that crime. Right.

I know, I know, but I'm just saying, you can't... But what about Weinstein? He's a fucking asshole. What about Kobe Bryant? Kobe Bryant said... Yes, and there was a learning... It was a learning curve he didn didn't realize. No meant no. No at the time.

He supported women in athletics. I'm sorry. No. Sorry. No what? You can't compare those things. No. You can't compare. No. Can't compare it to Woody? No. Can't compare it to Harvey Weinstein. No, no. I was comparing it to... You think

if we condemn one, we must condemn all or vice versa? No, absolutely not. I'm genuinely curious. Because I think it's complicated. It's very complicated. Woody is accused of molesting his daughter. And it was cleared by the Connecticut police. Whatever it was, it looked at it and said it wasn't true.

It was litigated for many, many years. And they dropped, they declined the charges. The one thing that does gross me out is that him marrying Sunyi would be like Elisa marrying Henry, my son Henry. Yeah, right. So that kind of grosses me out. Right, that's personal. But you can't say that these movies that were fucking brilliant and were the zeitgeist. I mean, they were the zeitgeist.

Her Sisters was the zeitgeist. Right. And Annie Hall. What I think about Colby is that he should be treated like he's innocent. Because I do think that once you start getting into these things you become a hypocrite almost instantly. I was in L.A. the entire time

and the entire city is grieving and I said, we got to watch this boy grow into a man. And he grew into a good man. He went to the NBA when he was 17 years old. He became extremely wealthy. I mean, I have kids who are older than that, so I know the maturation process. And we saw him grow into a good man. So let me say So this is interesting.

But it's also like Kevin Hart. I know who I'm talking to. I know you guys are going to freak out, but I actually agree with you. I think what somebody may or may not have done when they were young. I got some smelling salts. What somebody may or may not have done, if they grow into a good person, I'm ready to say, you know what? We have to.

But when I made that argument about Kavanaugh at the time, I said, listen, maybe at 17, when he was drunk on the bed, maybe he did do that. But then for the next 35 years, he's never had a single accusation. I know, but he behaved like a fucking asshole at those hearings. But you saw the way he treated her. Yeah. Prior to the way he behaved.

Right. At the hearings, yes. Nobody was hearing what I'm... And everybody's like, no, that's forever. Doesn't matter. I disagree with's forever I disagree with that I totally disagree he lost his shit they were accusing him on television

of gang rape ok what else do you like to know about Maisel ask me some more questions are you going to eat dinner with me after this we're going to wrap it up what I'm not touching this with a 10 foot pole what question. Are you going to eat dinner with me after this? Yes. We're going to wrap it up. What? Oh my God for you. I'm not touching this

with a 10 foot pole. Go ahead. What? I don't know that I necessarily have anything to say about that frankly. About what? The whole Ari Shaffir thing with Kobe Bryant. You know I as you know believe in freedom

of speech no matter what. I know what he was doing, but the daughter died. I mean, I just think. Well, he said he didn't know that. Yeah. I mean, just. What's the issue? He's a comic.

I don't know. Comics to a higher. Well, that brings us to your book. Right. Oh, yippee. Yes. Yes, I can say that. I just want to gush

because I don't really, I don't live in the world of stand-up comedy. I'm just on a show about stand-up comedy, so I'm learning about it through Miss Gold. And I saw her last night

and I was in a class that she taught and I wasn't quite understanding what's the difference between a solo show and stand-up comedy. How did you two meet? Well, we met a while ago.

We met when I was like 20. And I was at Geraldine... Court. Geraldine and Vondra. Remember them? Remember Vondra, her girlfriend? Oh, yes. Vondra.

Yes, Vondra. I forgot. Who's Vondra? So she was... Geraldine was on... She was a director and she was also on Soap. Yeah, she was on Guiding Light. She was like the most famous person I ever met.

Kids, we have to wrap it up. Okay, let's do that. Oh my God, I can't believe that... We're way over an hour, and Sirius is not going to put it on the air if it's too long after an hour. Okay. All right, we'll discuss this later. We'll know about that. Are you going to eat with us, Ariel?

Yes, but tell us quickly about your book. So I just got the proofs. It's about freedom of speech. It's about the history of how we got to this politically correct bullshit. It really, the left is, they're out of their fucking minds. Yeah. They're out of their fucking minds. We have bigger things to fight about than pronouns.

Exactly. What is the intent? Exactly. What is the intent? What nuance? Like, don't fucking tell a comic what they can and cannot say. I'm sorry. Now, if we didn't spend an hour talking about fucking abortion, we'd actually be able to get into this. Right.

But I believe in freedom of speech. I believe in 100% freedom of speech. And stop, you know, comics figure out the line after they go over it. And the only way to process or go through the process of writing a bit is to do it with an audience. And then you know. I'm sorry. A painter can be vilified. If Louis was a painter, right? Well, they're taking Picasso's paintings off the walls.

It's fucking stupid. Because of his sexual misconduct. Yes, they are. You can't stop him from painting. That's insane. I use Coco Chanel as an example. She was a Nazi. She was a Nazi.

And how many shoes are wearing her shit still? Good bags. You know? It's like, come on. I didn't know that. Yeah, she was a Nazi. Like Hitler. Like on purpose. Yes. Like into it. Yeah, she was a Nazi. She was. Like Hitler, like friends.

Like on purpose. Yes, like into it. How dare you tell a comic where the line is? How dare you tell a Jew not to wear a Chanel bag? Right. Wait a minute. The only thing I disagree with you about is that, and this bothers me about comics, that I don't see why comics should have any more freedom than I should.

Like, I don't like that you tell anybody what they can and can't say. No, I say all freedom of speech. But there is this thing like, well, I'm a comedian, so I get to say these things. You can't tweet that. If you tweeted, you're a racist. But if I tweeted, I'm just being edgy. I'm like, no, what? No, but that's not what I'm talking about.

No, no. I talk about good comedy versus bad comedy. So if you're going to talk about something subversive and something that's really divisive, it better be fucking funny. Like I have jokes about the Holocaust. Right. They're funny. They're funny. Be funny.

And you had jokes about transgender pronouns, all of it, which was so refreshing. I got fucking fired from an LGBTQq gig because i do jokes about um pronouns yeah like like seriously i've spent my entire she said she didn't want any more letters i can't and she said in some of those letters i don't even want to know what they say i know i don't even there's half the stuff i don't need to know about a person you know it's ridiculous you sound like lindsey graham that's what i'm saying they're friends yeah i i love him oh judy uh uh yeah i i i think we all agree on freedom of speech what's the name of the book yes i can say that when they come for the comedians we're all in trouble they don't come after comedians they do they do they do they do they do when is the next

season of mrs mazel coming we start shooting the next season in may um which is late because amy palandino is writing um doing a rewrite of gypsy and directing the film no way yes and she's making the young women more prominent. So it's not just going to be mom. Okay, can you... Can't they... I need to be on Maisel. You certainly do. I know.

We're getting a little edgy. I mean, I auditioned once in a rush for the fucking... Mary Testa got it. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, that's not the part for you. Okay, and first of all, I got there, it was raining, and I had an hour to prepare. It was bad. But how can they not use you for... And, and I had an hour to prepare. It was bad. And I said I didn't want to go.

I'm such a Jew. I know. We have to say goodbye. God damn you motherfuckers. Caroline, second time I've met you, you're the best. I hope you come down here. I will. What about, and no one?

And Judy, I don't know why you still yet to have invited me with you and your wife to dinner when you keep promising. I said we're going to your house. Come to my apartment. No one will fit okay that was nice and uh

Perrielle goodnight bye everybody bye Wade you can email us at email us at podcast

at comedyseller.com and follow us at at live from the table on Instagram Caroline Judy thank you so much thank you guys

fine yay Judy, thank you so much. Thank you, guys. Fine.