The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Tucker Carlson, Daryl Cooper & the Nazi Question | Waiting for Evan Barker

Episode Date: August 13, 2026

Noam Dworman and Periel Aschenbrand sit down expecting to interview Evan Barker—but when she doesn't arrive, they discuss Tucker Carlson, Daryl Cooper, antisemitism, Germany, immigration, media and why Evan Barker never made it. Chapters 00:00 Waiting for Evan Barker 02:15 Tucker Carlson, Daryl Cooper & extremism 08:35 Germany, antisemitism & lessons from Europe 19:30 Noam on ideology, immigration & prejudice 32:20 Listener emails & why the podcast matters 44:40 Evan Barker finally checks in 49:00 All is forgiven & rescheduling the interview

Want me to. Yeah, you do the intro. Okay. Welcome to live from the table, the official podcast for the world famous comedy seller. I'm here with the owner, Nome Dwarman. Dan Natterman is in Aruba, though he has joined us from Aruba before. He's not joining us today. I'm not sure why.

I'm Periel, the producer. I have been on hiatus away, galavancing. I'm back now. And we were supposed to have a very interesting guest today who posted us. Perry, L, first of all, I have a few things to say. Yeah. Yeah, so we're here waiting for, she might still show up. We're waiting for Evan Barker.

She's 18 minutes late. Okay, but you know, maybe, you know, I don't know. So who are waiting for her? You know, I hope something awful. hasn't happened to her. Having said that, I just want to remind you of a few things, Perry,

while we're waiting. First of all, I bought you a microphone specifically for summertime shows. I spent good money on a microphone so you wouldn't sound like a, like a, forgive me,

you know, like the word jappy. It can't say jappy anywhere. And also you have that millennial. Anyway, you need to get the microphone. First of all, one second.

That, that, That is true. You did buy me a microphone. It was not for summertime shows. It was for during COVID. I returned it to the podcast studio. And it's not, you're acting like I took the mic and I just like.

No, the last time I said, why aren't you using the mic? You said I left it in my other house or something like that. No, no, no. It's in the studio. I don't like it. No, then you took it back. Okay. Well, okay.

Then you need to get a microphone. You need to get a microphone for Zoom calls. If it's in the studio, you can have it back. Okay. We're not running an amateur. I don't like that one. We're not running an amateur outfit here, no matter what they say about us. Fair enough.

I accept that. I'll put it on my list. You'll tell me what Mike to get, and I'll get it. Okay. And then that's number one. Number two, so the only thing that's interesting me, I haven't been following the news. I've been away for the summer. But there is this podcast, I don't know if you saw, there's a recent podcast with Tucker Carlson and Daryl Cooper,

our erstwhile friend, Daryl Cooper. and Daryl Cooper discusses apparently he wrote the introduction for this guy Thomas 777 Okay Now he's the guy that Cooper tweeted out years ago

Good Morgan friends was like a Nazi You know And I had Daryl And interviewed him He kind of said well you know I'm not wise sometimes online But you know

I'm just fooling around Whatever But Darrell Cooper is kind of like Come out of his his caterpillar stage and he's full butterfly Nazi. By the way,

did you know that they found out in the and I saw it on the news yesterday that a 10 year old Japanese boy has proven that butterflies actually have memories of being caterpillars. Anyway, leaving that side. Yeah, yes, which is interesting.

Makes sense if you think about it. It's the same brain. But anyway, I don't know how they prove that. So, but in so then Darry Cooper, you know, Tucker Cross, is fawning over Dahl Cooper and Daryl Cooper in this thing fawns over. I mean, he does, he does, you know, have this kind of perfunctory disclaimer that the guy's

kind of harsh sometimes, but basically fawns over this guy, Thomas 7, 7,7, who's an absolute Nazi. I posted on X, a bunch of his, you know, very clear anti-Semitic statements about the Jews being evil and the synagogue of Satan and blah, blah, blah. And it just occurred to me how right we were a couple years ago already when we talked about this click and innocence by association that's going on. And it just occurred to me that if he didn't have handlers to make sure that he wouldn't do such a thing or if he didn't know that it would be stupid to do it, The Vice President of the United States, J.D. Vance, what are the odds that he would not find himself at a cocktail party with these Nazis? Right? If you know what I mean? Like they're so one or two degrees of separation, two degrees at most.

100% between the Vice President of United States. I should rephrase that. One or two degrees of fond separation, meaning it's not just like I know, like I know some crack. people, right? I'm talking about one of degrees of separation of fondness of admiration between the vice president United States and

Nazis. And we have never seen anything like this in our lifetime. I believe that this will cut the vice president off with the knees. I just can't believe he can

talk his way out of such a thing. indefinitely if he wants to be the president of the United States, that's what I think. But you never know. Is it a deal breaker to become the president of the United States? Or do you think that people were? Well, I mean, everything is always a binary choice, which people don't, people don't ever want to admit that, but it's fucking true. This is why people had, you know, voted for Trump over Kamala Harris, because in the end, you have to live under policies.

And policies are very, very, very serious. foreign policies, domestic policies, and one of the two people running has to become president. So you can bitch and moan all you want, but you have to make a choice, and the policies of the horrible person, in this case, Vance, may be preferable or even necessary

if the policies of the more likable person. And by the way, I've never been a huge AOC hater. I don't like her politics. at all but I found her to have some finesse and charm and I you know like I don't I don't think she's a big brain or anything I'm not calling her stupid but I just don't I've never been like a she's never I don't get that that visceral disgust or hatred or even dislike when I see AOC speak I just know she's she's a liberal person a progressive person a nice one um but Vance I mean I hate this guy I hate this guy more than anything in the world.

And it's just shocking to me that this is the world that we're living in. And I don't ever plug my ex post, but I did, with the help of AI, I posted a pretty well-researched thing on this guy that Daryl Cooper and, by extension, Tucker Carlson, are normalizing now. He is a real Nazi. What did your ex post say? You might as well tell us here and then maybe link to it. Well, you can just find it on my feed.

So I actually uploaded some documents, three long documents. But I give you a couple of the quotes. The Jew annihilates worlds because annihilation is what Judaism is and what Judaism does. Without extreme hatred and near total intolerance of all other people's jewelry would essentially seeks to exist. Jews rejecting Christ and thus legitimacy of Christendom are the traditional enemy of the

West. This is very basic history. Wow. Synagogue and synagogue of Satan. There's one quote, it's too long three, but essentially saying that the Europeans thought they could coexist with the Jews, but the Muslims had it right, that they

need to rid themselves to the Jews. So it's like, I mean, the guy advertises himself as a Nazi. So anyway, so that's that's that. What else is going on? What do you want to? Go ahead, Peril. Want to say something?

I just want to say that I just came back from being in Europe for three weeks. And I was in three different places. I was in France. I was in Hungary. And my cousins have been living in Dachau, ironically. my cousin's from Israel for the past 20 years. And do you know that in Germany, it is against the law to say from the river to the sea, that you get arrested if you project that?

I didn't know that. I know it's against the law to deny the Holocaust. I don't know that these laws have any actual efficacy. Especially in the modern age. Can you really stop? I don't know. Maybe they do. Maybe they do.

Maybe they don't. I think that more... Well, they can backfire. They can backfire too. Sure. I know. You're a big proponent of free speech. And I appreciate...

No, no. I'm talking about just as a practical matter when you have a people who are being accused of controlling everybody. And then the people get arrested for wanting to say things about those people. It kind of plays into their hands, doesn't it? Maybe. I mean, the takeaway for me is more the... They really, if anybody knows how danger and...

and how quickly this, I mean, this virus of anti-Semitism spreads, it's the Germans. So it's just interesting to me that, like, that's their reaction. Like, every country's handling or not handling their anti-Semitism in this, like, rabid Jew hatred in different ways. And I didn't know that was the law in Germany, but I thought it was really interesting that that's their reaction. And also my cousins told me there's this little square in Munich, which has like they rebuilt of a synagogue and a Jewish museum and a Jewish school. And when Jewish people do events and, you know, whatever for October 7th, that the German people come and form a protective

circle around the square before the police have their presence. Look, I don't Germany is is the worst Country The Germans are I've said It's like they're like a 12 step nation They're so traumatized by their past They go to meetings

And and But doesn't that tell you something though That like I'm sorry I'm sorry No no that like How quickly this turns Like Anne Frank and her family were like very upwardly mobile, sophisticated,

intelligent, intellectual, wealthy, upper echelon members of society. Like this shit happens in a fucking heartbeat. Well, okay, it doesn't, it's not going to happen. It doesn't happen in, in free countries. It happens in fascist, you know, I don't, I think that's, I mean,

What I think we have to fear is a catastrophe. But I think what you're saying is catastrophizing, if that's how you say the word, because they're not going to round up Jews and kill them in America. That's not what's going to happen. But leaving that aside for a second, come back to that. I think that Germany to the Jews is kind of what we are to African Americans. They have this very complicated, intertwined

psychological relationship with that issue like we have with the legacy of slavery and all of it and Jim Crow and all of it so it's not a it's not the best example like Germany is not I'm cautious about what is or isn't happening

in Germany and they can have a reaction against the Jews too also because they resent I mean I can imagine three generations into this. Like, fuck these people. My great-grandfather does something, and I'm still being called to Calvert. So, but America is, is really what, what you need to look at, because America has been the friendliest country in the world to the Jews. America, for a long time, has been the country that, that was, was, you know, did not tolerate, not just didn't tolerate anti-Semitism, actually loved the Jews. And all the polls show it. The polls still show that the older

generations feel this way. And, you know, I heard Dan Cynor talking about it the other day, but I swear to God, I think he fucking got it from us in one way or another. He used the word Pavlovian. You know, I've been saying that for a while now. I do. And, and I think that I'm so worried about this for my kids. There is just such a constant stream of reporting. impulsive imagery and descriptive imagery, you know, imagery of all kinds, that's attaching itself to our reflexive reaction to anything about the Jews, like word association, that they are softening up. And this is actually similar to what was going on in Nazi Germany by design. the government, you know, softening up everybody to receive

anything that has to do with anything Jewish in a particular light. It's like people who fight against us, fight against this, and then something really does happen. You know, Israel does do something bad. And then all the people, I've been fucking defending these people for three years now. Fuck it. They made a fool out of me. And then they embrace, it's kind of what happened to Megan Kelly.

And then they embrace the whole, everything retroactively. such that you could just imagine that the people who were not on the side of the Nazis rounding up the Jews in Germany would say, I'm just guessing, but I could totally imagine this to be true, would say things like, look, I know the Jews are a problem. I don't like them either, but I don't think it's right that we do this. I don't think they're as bad as everybody says. I think very few people would say at that we had the the hardness of mind to say

no this is all fucking ridiculous these people are just like us there's no truth to any of this they're not that they're not that they're not that they're not that is all fucking lies no I think the good German attitude was probably more likely all right but you know you're going too far

with this I get it you know I don't I don't like them either I'm not you know and and I think that's where so where we're heading with America is not rounding up the Jews. It's just, but we've said it a million times. I told you this five years. It's just a, you know. But don't you think this is by design here too?

Don't you think this is? Well, I disagree. I think that if you. Who's design? Who's design? I don't know. Go into academia. Go into the institutions. Go into the universities. Go into the fucking public schools in Brooklyn in elementary school. They're handing out pamphlets that are peddling this shit now. Yeah, it's not by, well, I mean, that is by design. Like, sorry.

They are teaching this stuff in elementary public schools in America. Yeah, I think that by design is a funny way to put it. But in some way, they're succeeding at something they never actually imagined they could succeed at. And I think, who the fuck knows? I'm talking about you, you jumped over to the left wing stuff. But I'm talking about the right wing stuff, which I'm more serious right now. I mean, it's all, it's all part and parcel of the same problem. And so you want to put Germany aside, fine.

What about Hungary? I don't know what's going on in Hungary. Well, I can tell you that they are having had terrible. I thought they were pretty good about the Jews in Hungary, no? They are. But they also had a horrible, like, mass murder extermination that went on in Hungary. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. So that's also, I think, a reaction against that.

Well, in France, by the way, in France. I just can't believe that the vice president is still going to associate with Tucker Carlson, while Tucker Carlson is clearly open to Nazis. And if, I mean, he'll always have some plausible deniability. Who, Vance will have possible? Tucker, Tucker, but obviously, you know, why will Tucker have because he's going to say

whatever because he doesn't say yeah I love that guy Thomas 770 who that's my guess my guess but he's identified Darryl Cooper as the most you know the best popular historian historian in America today and the entire interview goes yes yes yes you know he's so

positive about every utterance of Darrell Cooper's and then when Darrell Cooper I mean if Tucker we've seen it with other show too let's say Tucker didn't know the nature of what Cooper was saying

well you wake up Monday morning and when you find out because you certainly know by now then you get in front of the camera and say listen I want to say this to my audience my guest Darry Cooper as you know I would my guest Al Cooper was talking about I didn't I had no idea what he's referring to I just want to make it very clear

I have zero use for Thomas 7 seven, people like him, the Nazi. Like just, you know, spell it out. He doesn't think that, though. Right. I'm just saying he will hide behind some sort of plausible, plausible deniability and people who want to look the other way will, will drape themselves in it.

In, you know, there's something else. This is the last thing I'll say. You're looking for a way out of this. I think these guys are totally comfortable associating. with these people. I don't even think they're pretending that they don't know. Okay, this is the last thing I'll say.

I had told you, I have nothing to say. I have nothing to say. This is the last thing I'll say. I'm going to be a little bit of a hypocrite here because I don't like to, I don't like arguments that rely on reading people's minds. And just as a principle,

I don't like that. Secondly, I've been very resentful of people who have like, if I've been arguing about, like, you know, racial quotas, I'm against racial quotas in universities. They'll want to call me a racist. Or if I'm, you know, if I don't think that trans women should play in sports, I'm trans. I'm trans. You can go on by this, you know, so I'm very sensitive to that thing. And yet, people do have psychologies, right? And one thing that, people who have my politics, if they're observing people, observe, is that you find yourself often in bed with people who arrive at the same position at you as you have, but for much uglier reasons. So, for instance, although I, I think it's ridiculous to think that the WNBA could actually be a team of trans men. Like, like obviously, it seems obvious to me that, that women, trans women should, you know, trans women should not be playing female sports, right?

And I, and I have sympathy for the locker room issue, like, among kids. Like, I, I have, there, there are pockets in this landscape that I'm sympathetic to the right wing. And I also call bullshit on the left wing and on many of the, but I have never been unaware of the fact that many of the people who are saying the same things that I am, as I am, they fucking hate the trans. They hate gay people. They hate the trans people. The energy, the vehemence was which

they cheer. It's obvious, these are fucking hateful people. I'm against racial preferences, but I'm very well aware that some people fucking hate black people, right? They hate them. And that's why this, and one other issue,

you know, immigration. And by the way, I was worried about like the Hispanic you know the overwhelming Hispanic immigration before it was even the hot issue because I sensed that we were bringing in from my personal experience anecdotally but a lot of anecdotal it was people

who did not have were not coming to America with this equipped with the same appreciation and you know leave the old country behind kiss the ground in America I'm an American now.

I'm a Yankee and I, you know, as I used to allude to, like, my grandparents who were here at a time of anti-Semitism, you know, they would, their tears in her eyes about America. The American flag, America was everything to them. But they didn't have text messaging back to the old country. They didn't send money back to the old country. They didn't say I'm going back to Russia someday. This is like, I'm here in America. So I was always worried about this issue. But I never fucking hated Mexicans.

On the contrary, they're the best. They're the best fucking workers. They're clean cut. They're not criminals, even though, of course, they have some criminals. I'm sure they're, I would guess they're no more criminals than non-criminal populations of America are. and if they were, if they just presented as white people, the same number of illegal immigrants doing the same work, but simply spoke English and presented as white people,

I don't think we would have this issue. I think much of the fuel behind the anti-immigration issue, even if I support what they want, I support the wall, whatever, is bigotry. This is a long lead-up to what I'm saying now. I don't understand, even if it is true that Israel is doing A, B, and C wrong, even if you come to the conclusion that Israel is on the wrong side of the Gaza war, I'm going to grant you all that. I don't understand how people can get this furious, put this issue so central to their political concerns, an issue which has zero kitchen-takes. bread and butter impact on Americans day to day, I do not understand how this can rise to be the top issue on their mind unless it is fueled by something other than the issue.

Unless it is fueled by some sort of, of, yeah, of simmering hatred and resentment that they may not in their own minds even come to grips with. because of this Pavlovian thing that I'm discussing about the Jews Jewish resentment, Jewish bosses, Jewish landlords, I mean, I've had conversation with somebody just I had a Jewish boss one time

like you don't, you just don't fucking know what's going on but something psychologically must be going on because on the merits the arithmetic doesn't add up. This issue cannot be the most important issue in elections.

in the Midwest. But of course. We're not in the middle of the war anymore, right? We're not. And it's not foreign aid. It's not Israel is number one, but then there's five other countries that's similar and let's get our fucking troops out of Korea.

Like, it's not like... I have been saying this for three years. Yeah, but it's different when I say. Go ahead, go ahead. No, nothing. I mean, there are horrendous atrocities going on in so many fucking countries all over the world

and nobody has a single solitary word to say about it nobody gives a shit yeah yeah but yeah okay and you know but I try I'm trying to be nuanced about

you're right but it's it if they were just I mean Israel there are the arguments that people make about why Israel would matter more to Americans than some remote It's bullshit.

No, no. And there's some, there is some truth to those issues. In the same way, there was some truth of the, there was some reason that South Africa bothered us more than issues, you know, in the Congo or something. Because it's in some way that we feel more engaged with certain people, with certain, in some ways, it's a bigotry of law expectations in a sense that we expect more of the more civilized peoples.

No. No, there is a biological obsession. Okay, whatever it is, I'm just saying that I can understand why Israel would get more attention than other conflicts. But I cannot understand why it would become anybody's central issue in a local election for Michigan or anywhere. Like what, like, it's one of your issues, fine, that you all agree on, by the way. But you have to, between a bunch of liberal people, you need the one who's the most vehement about an issue that they have no control over Israel. I mean, it's so it's all very scary. That's all.

It's just scary. Yeah. And then you're, as you, as you pointed out before the show, then the Irish don't even want to fog lights from Israel. Which is fucking amazing. I love this, by the way. I love this so much. I would like for everybody to do what the Irish are doing. But along with that, so now you can't land or take off in the fog.

Like, will you just give our listeners a quick rundown of what happens with that? Well, I only saw it in, I only saw it in meme form, which was that the Irish removed or ordered planes without. I thought I saw removed, but at least ordered planes without the Israeli fog landing system. which but I I would presume I you know you don't want to hear it took out well first of all I like that you're getting your news for memes now now we have more in common well I would presume that the story is exaggerated in some way I don't think it is no I you don't think it's exaggerated I would presume had the technology removed from the plane because it was Israeli technology that allows you to land and take off in fog and now yes but I assume I assume they actually do have a plan B to land and take off the fog because they're not stupid and they need to...

Apparently they fucking are stupid. Okay, no. See, this is where you and I disagree. When things are too good to be true, you should be cautious. Okay, listen to me. I'm going to look this up right now. And I want to say that the other thing is is that I think that,

so then you shouldn't be allowed to use any of the stuff. Don't stop at fog. I mean, I've also been saying this for intentionally acquired. It's $53 million to assault Falcon government jet without

the optional Falcon eye low visibility landing from Israel's LB systems aligning with Ireland's policy against purchasing non-essential Israeli defense technology. But essential Israeli

technology? Okay, go fuck yourself. Don't, you can't get anything. You can't get our medicine. You can't get our technology for defense. Like, fuck you. Don't pick and choose. They should be banned.

And so should everybody else who wants to climb in on this fucking bandwagon? All right. I agree. I just, I don't feel like I really. like I said, I think that story is probably exaggerated in some way. The main point is true, which is that they are, let me put another way. They're making a point, and I would presume they've decided, you know what, we can probably get away without having these fog systems.

We have another system or maybe we don't have that much fog. I don't know, or we have some other, who knows what they thought about. But so like, let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. So they want to make a public show of doing this. But I guarantee you they're not throwing the sophisticated medical hardware, life-saving hardware, out of the hospitals.

Right. So it's for show. And that much I... Okay. So that's my point. Yes. So you don't get to use the life-saving medical hardware. And also you're a fucking idiot because you're going to crash the plane.

But the people who are, God forbid, bed crossing their fingers and and you know hoping that an irish plane at least skids out and nobody's hurt on on the runway because they couldn't handle the fog because they they because they cut off their nose to spite their face with the foxes of eye would not i'm going to bet against that happening i think they're going to manage without these rarely fog lights we'll see i guess i guess i guess we will see but i'm saying it's like throw out the medical hardware too Like, whoever made the decision to do this when his mother needs, like, a stent or a pacemaker, like, you don't. Or a loan.

Or a bagel. Or a mortgage. Oh, my God. You don't get that either. No, it's so infuriating. Okay, you got a really nice message. I could send it to you privately or I could read it here. You can read and I'll read one too, my favorite one of all time.

I'll read one too since you say, go ahead, go ahead, read it. Dear Noam, we up, first of all, I would like to publicly say that like, I don't, I am not your. You're not chop liver. No, no, no, it's not that. It's like, I'm not like you're like, I mean, people send me shit for you all the time. Like, they're sexist. They think you're like my secretary or something. They totally think I'm your secretary.

You know who else thinks I'm your secretary? Terry? Me. I'm sorry about that. I'm sorry. Go ahead. You're the producer. Producers are a glorified secretary. You're not sorry about it. Dear Noam, we obviously do not know each other, but I wanted to tell you that I listen to your podcast religiously. Beyond getting such a kick out of the friendly banter between you, Perry Lowe and Dan, to the point where I laugh out loud, not along, and talk back. I find your serious conversations to be really extraordinary. I admire your ability to have tough conversations with people that you don't always agree, with people that don't always agree with you and find you to be unbelievably fair

while being unabashedly honest about where you stand. I'm originally from Manhattan, but I've been living in Israel for the past two decades, so your podcast has been extra meaningful and valuable to me over the last few years. Really, thank you. I'm not sure you know what a difference your voice makes for a lot of us. Can you send that to Juanita? Okay. I think you saw this one.

Did I send you the email I got from the guy in the commission for sexual violence in Israel? Yeah, you did. But read it. By the way, you know, what was it I saw recently? I'm going to say there are, I don't know what it is. But I I do know Oh, it was Fauci

I don't if you're following the whole Fauci thing One of the things One of the things that came out in his diary Apparently I didn't read it But I heard it reported by someone I consider reliable Was that he was totally obsessed With his Press coverage for years

Even before COVID Like a total ego maniacal guy and I've seen this in other people, but I was like, he's a medical doctor. He's, you know, esteemed, like, what is it that that compels him to be so obsessed with his own, you know, press? and I don't think these are matters of character or discipline or anything like that. I just thank God that I was not cursed with that gene. And you know me pretty well.

I'm really not. No, you're not. I mean, I love the compliment. And from time to tell you. I want most of all my children to understand it because I want them to see their father in particular way. so it has a it has a purpose it's not it's not because i just want to hear good things i want i want it matters to me that they can be proud of their father so so i i do from time to time but like you know like you know me i don't have pictures of you know me and and

dave chappelle like i'm it's not it's not like i know it's not like i certainly don't like there was an article and sounds like i'm you know slipping in the opposite while i'm saying but i'm really not it just because you brought it up it was an article in the um It was an article in the Sunday Times of London, I think it was by this guy, this wonderful guy, Clyde Davis, wrote the article about me, a profile about me. And, you know, and I had to force myself to read it. Recently? Yeah, yeah, a couple days ago, a week ago.

I mean, really, I didn't tell anybody. I didn't tell you about it, tell Juanita about it. It's like, it's like, it's not like I'm, I'm happy about it. I understand like it's something like, I'm, I don't want to exaggerate it. I'm satisfied with myself. I feel, you know, good about myself. It's an objective thing as if somebody likes a song that I play, but I'm not like, I'm not, if you saw my diaries,

it would not be filled with me concerned about these things. It just wouldn't. My innermost thoughts are not occupied. That's what my innermost thoughts are just not occupied with this stuff. It's just not. It's, I'm happy about it or about the club. Like I focus on the club on the, on the bad things about it, the complaints you go with it because I'm running a fucking business.

I don't get, as a matter of fact, I probably get insufficient satisfaction out of the huge, you know, esteem of the club. Anyway, so, but this one actually mattered to me. Above all the letters I've ever gotten, this one mattered to me. And I guess I can't disclose the guy's name because he didn't tell me that I could and I don't know. Anyway, so it says, hi, Noam. It took me a while to finish. I bet it did, but I finally got through the three hours of your interview with Benafriam and the dog experts. I wanted to thank you for mentioning the Civil Commission's report on October 7th violence in the interview.

That was the Israeli, the big, huge Israeli civil commission, I think it was two years in making report on the sexual violence in Israel. Sorry, I'm from Montreal, but after October 7th, I felt compelled to find a way of offering support. I'm a what does a matter with me the money's I want to leave something out here I was hired by the Civil Commission as a legal researcher I was part of the team that worked for the last two years researching and writing the report and I wanted to let you know that in a way you are responsible for the success and influence that the report has had wow I discovered your podcast not long after October 7th and you have ingrained in me two lessons that I have taken to heart. The first is that as Jews, we have a responsibility

to know our history. The second is the importance of having thorough and detailed citations and footnotes. Throughout our work, I echoed to my colleagues this second lesson, and with all the conspiracy of thinking in the world today, I knew that people like Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal would try to discredit our report. Throughout the writing process, I heard your voice echoing in my ears to substantiate and validate each claim with a detailed footnote. I'm extremely proud of the final report, and I hope you notice how detailed each footnote is, with many taking up more space on the page than the text itself.

We wanted this document to serve as a model for documenting future human rights atrocities, and therefore it was paramount that every factual assertion be meticulously substantiated with sufficient sourcing and context that the report could withstand the most rigorous, scrutiny. On another note, I found your interview with Keen Taj Bax, to be particularly illuminating, but thanks for mentioning our report on the podcast, and more importantly, thank you for instilling these two lessons. So that, I thought, made the whole thing worthwhile. If it's true that our

voice, my voice was echoing in the ears of the people doing that report, then that's quite remark i find that to be quite remarkable you know you know i want to tell you that you probably don't remember this but the first time we met and i interviewed you when i was doing that column for tablet magazine you said the same thing to me there was like that whole big brouhaha going on that the table the comedian's table on the back had been moved in the new yorker did this big piece that you know it was bullshit whatever but you said you know i don't give a shit would i would i anybody thinks, but I want my kids when they read this to know that this is what's true. Do you remember that?

Yeah, I do. That's the way I feel. You know, it's like there was an article one time, I think it was Vanity Fair. And Jessica Pilot do that one. Someone I liked it, you know, I know her. And it's about the history of the comedy seller. but because my father wasn't alive to be involved in it, it kind of wrote him out to some extent of the history of the comedy seller.

And it fucking enraged me. It fucking enraged me. Anyway, so, yeah, I mean, you, I mean, what do we do after we die? Like, people said somebody recently someone, I was like, you know, they have a few days where they talk about you and they move on right the only the only lasting impact you have unless you're like abe lincoln is on your kids they're the people who will continue to think about you every day and wonder what you would have thought about this and and and and and this this is you have importance beyond your death in the lasting

force and impact you have on your children even in and this is what of my speech my man is by uh bar mitzvah even in their sense of obligation to respect you after you're gone and um this you know that that matters to me so that's the other last thing i said related to that i i think i told you this or the listeners this but my father you know he he he sweated every detail of that place and he wasn't as fortunate as I am to have Liz and to have more leisure time. And he, in his business model, not his business model, but his business at the time was just the one comedy seller, which wasn't as successful as is now. And he really depended on the olive tree, the restaurant, which now I don't really depend on to make money. It had to be business in its own. And that

business was a low-price restaurant in every fucking food I, him had to be good as it still has to be but it was it was existential for him and he would scream and yell and put his hands on the hummus and throw it out and it was like like sam like a sam breakstone commercial and and he was you know this was so and then so we're in the hospital and he has about you know a couple weeks to live and everybody knew it he knew it i and everybody knows it and we get a call from the olive tree and there's something wrong with the hummus and he pissed at the phone and he's screaming at the manager, screaming at Toil, his veins poppy,

he hangs out the phone. And he turns to me and he says, you know, no, I thought I wouldn't care what happens after I die. He says, but I do. It was, it was, because he realized, like, what am I doing? I'm screaming. I'm not to die. I don't have many more days left.

What the fuck does the hummus matter? But he says, you know, I can't help it. It matters. You know? So if the homeless matters, it matters what your kids think. Well, it matters. You know, James Baldwin said that what you have after you die is that the whole house burns down, like you leave behind a pile of your work. And I think that's what your father was saying also, right?

Yeah, I guess. I mean, that was his life's work. That was his life's work. All right. Um, anything else, anything else we want to talk about? So I guess this, this, uh, lady, um, this woman, Evan is not. I think she's not coming. This is just, this is it, this is unexec- Evan Barker. And I, and I really enjoyed the profile about her in the, uh, Wall Street Journal.

And I really wanted to hear what she had to say. So, you know, let's hope that she had a flat tire. I don't want to think too bad to have happened to her. But let's hope the minimum acceptable misfortune that can both easily be recovered by her. But yes, but yet explain the fact that she didn't come to the podcast and we can forgive her. Let's just hope something bad happened to her, but not bad enough. But not too bad. That she can't go on with her life happily.

But like it, you know, let's hope it. Like inconvenient, you know, a fender bender, a flat tire, you know, I don't know. I'm standing by. Food poisoning. That would, that would be, maybe that's already too harsh. Well, I don't know. Even if you have food poisoning, you can shoot attacks, like, and say, I'm really sorry. Like, I just got a violent bout of food poisoning. I know, you're right. I'm trying to, but, you know, maybe she just forgot. Things happen. Okay. I'm not going to get too deep into it.

But, um, okay. Yeah, things happen. Um, all right. Well,

she did the free press I'm seeing here. I mean, I'm telling you, I spoke to her last night, late last night. 10.45 last night. I spoke to her. And she wouldn't give you her phone number,

huh? Yeah, but I think she did Nicolesey's podcast. God damn it. Okay. All right. Well, it's nice to see everyone. Megan Down.

We know all these people. She did all she did. This is my cocktail party of people. I don't have Nazis. I'm surrounded by, by libertarians and, and, and,

and, all right. You have Nazis. Yeah, you, it seems like you were aggressively omitted from the rounds. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. All right. It, it is. Yes. it is not good it is I I teach my kids people always be on time always be early actually always be early and um I feel bad maybe she has a good excuse now I feel bad yeah what would be what would be the perfect excuse to you a bad dental experience I don't really know like like and is anesthesia

that lingered on too long yeah I don't really know man because it you nowadays it's hard like You can text from anywhere. I could text you from, I've texted you from the subway that I'm going to be late, you know? Yeah. From airplanes, I've gotten in touch with people from,

I mean, there's, I mean, first of all, Steve, you, like, you would never,

just like not show up. No, but I, I, you know what, when you get sufficiently busy, it is possible to, if you've submitted your schedule

to other people to a certain extent. it can be you can wake up and not know what you're doing that day yeah the check in at 1045 last night was pretty good insurance though i will say like i don't know well i i i mean it's hard to believe that she would actually just blow us off right it's hard to believe that i mean she's a liberal liberal liberals liberals care about being on truth and justice so not a snub oh wait she says here she just i just dm'd you hold on hold on hold on no way hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on Hold on.

Oh, she said she can do 730. All right. So first of all, she's okay. All is forgiven. Good, good. And this came.

She says she got double booked. She said, she thought, she said, did my public reach out? I guess that means her thing. I'm so sorry. Okay.

All is forgiven. You see that? All is forgiven. I wonder if you'd be that forgiving if I didn't show up. No, no, no. Periel?

home's a host he has to forgive here yeah no no i believe i believe in in being in gracious i told i tell me yell my man is you have you have to you have to graciously accept apologies exactly part of being a mensch yes uh um and i'm sure i'm and i'm sure it's sincere no i'm sure it's sincere too okay so so email her tell her we were joking about it on the podcast um i can't do 730 be tell her because i'm i'm going to drag queen bingo and then karaoke is my two activities tonight in Ogunquit. So I bet she'll get a kick out of that.

And then, but we can do it, you know, another day this week. Maybe early in the day, whatever. Throw me some times and we'll reschedule. Okay. Okay. And be nice. And tell her we, we, um. Be nice. I'm always nice.

You're right. You're always nice, but be nice, okay? All right. Okay, so, okay, you're going to text. You can email it right now because otherwise I'm going to... Yeah, I'm just going to write up. Periel is emailing you now. Don't worry about it.

We got some good material out of waiting. will set it up right away. And then you tell her, we can't do it today, but someday this week, okay? Okay. If you could just tell her to confirm that she's actually getting these emails

and get like a phone number, so I have some insurance policy here other than DM on Instagram. Just DM or ask her for email. If you don't hear back from her, I'll deem her again. And then we can't, do 7.30 tonight. I don't.

I think I'm out of steaming. We'll do it a different. I'll set up something else. I can't do next week at 6 at 5.30 anyway because it's my I have a person. No, but maybe maybe tomorrow or the next day or Saturday. In the morning in the morning would be good. Okay. All right. Bye. Okay. Good night everybody.

Do we need to cut anything out of this? No, I don't think so. Okay. Okay. Bye. Okay. You posted.