The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Tyler Fischer

Episode Date: December 30, 2022

Tyler Fischer is an actor and stand-up comedian. He has performed on America's Got Talent, NBC's Chicago Med, TV Land's YOUNGER and STARTUP on Netflix. He has been on Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, and recently co-starred in the western film Terror on the Prairie on The Daily Wire. His new comedy special "The New Normal'' is available on Youtube.

This is Live from the Table, a Comedy Cellar-affiliated podcast coming at you on SiriusXM 99 Raw Dog and the Laugh Button Podcast Network. This is Dan Aderman. I'm with Noam Dorman, owner of the world-famous Comedy Cellar, and Perry L. Ashenbrand, our producer. And we've had some discussion about what producing means, but anyway. I think Nicole's our producer. We've beaten that horse to death, so we'll move on. Of course, Nicole Lyons, the great audio wizard behind the scenes. She doesn't say much, but she does oh so much.

Anyway, here we are, the last podcast of 2022. Hard to believe that the century is nearly a quarter of the way done. I mean, it seems like yesterday that this century was kicking off. That's crazy. I can remember the Y2K scare when we thought all the power was going to go out. Remember that? Yeah, I remember that.

I do. And I was here the night of when 2000 came and, you know, slightly nervous that, you know, the Y2K thing would come to pass. But, you know, I made this remark on, I think I posted this on Facebook. I have yet to hear anybody refer to this decade as the 20s yet. Is it because, A, am I wrong and people do refer to it as the 20s? B, are we too early in the decade for people to start referring to the decade?

Or C, is this just this decade's not that interesting and people don't talk about it. Well, just to go back for a second, I want to answer that. I just want to tell listeners because I realized, I mean, I know the Y2K thing was a thing where electronic dates were just done with the last two numbers of the year. So 65, 1965, 16, whatever. And when it set to zero, zero again, people who had programmed computers hadn't contemplated zero, whatever. And when it set to 00 again, people who had programmed computers hadn't contemplated 00. So they were afraid that computers would think it was now earlier, back to 1900. So they had to reprogram every single piece of software that was date-oriented

to be able to have four digits, you know, 19, blah, blah, blah, and 20XX. So anyway, so they thought there was going to be tremendous malfunctions. Some people even thought there might be missile launches, whatever it is, but actually nothing happened. So why don't they call it the 20s? Well, I haven't heard it. They started to, like back in 2019,

I think there was some talk about comparing 2020 to like the roaring 20s. Too early. They called it aughts. COVID happened. That's what happened is that they started to get excited and they were comparing it to the roaring 20s and then COVID happened and they were like, forget it.

It's a disaster. No, that's not what happened at all. You made all of that up. I didn't. The Roaring Twenties was the thing that people started saying after COVID. Like after COVID, just like after the Spanish flu, they had the Roaring Twenties. We're going to have our own Roaring Twenties. We're going to roar back just like they roared back after the First World War and the Spanish flu. Nobody's roaring.

Nobody's roaring. Business is booming. This is the roaring 20s. You're saying that with regard to my question, you feel it's too early in the decade for people to start referring to the decade? Yeah, I don't remember calling it the 90s in 1991 or 1992. I don't remember with precision. The earliest reference to the 80s that I can remember,

and that I can remember somebody referring to the 80s as the 80s, is Eddie Murphy raw when he says, got to have J-O-B in the 80s that i can remember and that i can remember uh somebody referring to the 80s as the 80s is eddie murphy raw when he says got to have a job in the 80s uh ain't no romance without finance now that was already that was already after that was 80 that was like 85 86 86 you have material world a material girl you ain't got no money ain't got no pussy he was quoting madonna of course but but also the 80s of the greed the decade of greed and excess i think people started referring to that probably in the late 80s with like the corporate takeovers.

Here's my question, Dan. By the way, the aughts I almost never hear. I do hear it, but I seldom hear it. And the teens I never hear. It's awkward to say teens. Anyway, the tens. But here's my question. Would you agree with the following? That in our lifetimes, I'm a little

bit older than you, the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, I would say what I'm about to describe started going the other way in the 90s, but 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s were very distinct culturally, musically, movie-wise.

It would seem so. It would seem so. It would seem so. It may be a little bit of retrofitting because, you know, these decades aren't perfectly, it's not like when 1980 started, all of a sudden we started wearing bright colors and singing new wave music. There was some...

Yeah, but in the 70s when I was in high school, there was a whole 50s revival. Right, well, that's the movie Grease. And this was, now I know, that was like 50s were just like the day before yesterday. Well, the 50s revival. Right, well, that's the movie Grease. And this was, now I know, that was like, 50s were just like the day before yesterday, you know. Well, the 50s in the 80s were like the 80s are today. In 1975. Or the 90s even.

Well, 1975, the TV series Happy Days, which was based on the 50s, was depicting another planet. In just like 15, 20 years, everything had changed. Well, that 70s show kind of did that in the 90s. The 70s were a totally different time. But the difference between now and the aughts or even the 90s, it's not that obvious to me. It doesn't seem that obvious, yeah, to us.

In part because maybe as we get older... No, the music that comes on the radio now, it's not... The 90s had a specific flavor of music. Well, I said it started to roll off in the 90s, but with grunge and all that stuff, something could come out... With a 90s song, when I hear a 90s song, I'm usually like, yeah, this is a fucking 90s song.

Okay, and how about a 2005 as opposed to 2015? I can't. You know, no. The answer is no to those questions. But even in the 90s songs, compared to like Doo-Wop to, you know, Led Zeppelin, like the 50s to the 70s, it's not night and day like that. It's like you're talking about gradual changes movie-wise. Like, you could tell a 70s movie in two seconds, you know?

Well, you can tell it because of the cars, because of the suits. The pacing, the dialogue, the way they're dressed, everything. I guess, you know, you could tell a movie from the early 2000s, I guess. We could tell by the phone. Yeah. But as a young kid, I could tell you very easily back then if it was an old movie. Like, you just went about even trying. I don't know if my kids could tell that a movie from 2005 looks so much different than a movie.

I mean, the Avengers movies have spanned how long already? They don't look that different. Well, is it that movie technology is stagnated so that the look of movies, like obviously black and white was a big difference between black and white and color. Yeah. And, um...

Yeah, just CGI is, you know, now there's really no breakthroughs in special effects anymore. So maybe the movie technology is sort of stagnated, so that's why we don't see a huge difference. It's like computers. I mean, I remember when Windows 3.1, that was like the first stable version of Windows, and then Windows 95, then to Windows whatever it was after that.

These were big changes in the operating systems. Now, and we look forward to it like, wow, it's going to be new horizons. Now, I hate when there's a new Windows release because there has not been a new feature in a Windows release in years that really was memorable to me. By the way, we do have a Gen Z-er in the house. I know she doesn't like to talk very much. She might be able to speak to some of this. Nicole, if you see something from the early 2000s, does it hit you like a ton of bricks?

Maybe. I don't know. Because I'm in a weird place where I was born in 96, so the tech was starting to come to be when I was a kid, but for most of the beginning of my childhood, I didn't have it. So I feel like, in a way, it's a little nostalgic. What if you hear a song from 2005? You're like, yeah, I didn't have it. So I feel like in a way it's a little nostalgic. What if you hear a song from like, you know, 2005? You're like, yeah, this is a 2000. This is an odd song.

The way a 70s song is pretty identifiable, even in the 80s to us, you know? I think so. Probably like 2008 is the most identifiable to me. I feel like I can pick those out pretty easily. But that's also because you remember where you were at that time I don't know if it's stylistically the songs

maybe I don't know it was a lot of like pop punk and you know emo kind of stuff and weird pop like that I'm not here to argue that everything has stopped completely static but there is not

the difference decade over decade. It doesn't seem to be. That there used to be. In culture, now technologically, I mean, you know, Instagram, TikTok, these things are big, big changes that we've seen in terms of that. Technologically, what year did the iPhone come out? That was 12 years ago, I think. About 2008-ish,

maybe. Okay, so the difference between 1995 and 2010, technologically, internet, all of it,

is dramatic. The difference between 2010 and 2025 will not be as, just simply not be as dramatic. And the last 10 years, I mean, with iPhone updates and Android updates, it's just not that different, right? It's just not that different.

The breakthroughs have done. I mean, the everyday presence of social media is a big difference. Yeah. And I don't know when you could date that from. Yeah, that's true. That's different. I mean, MySpace was, I guess, 2005,

but I don't know that everybody was on it. No, that's more like the last 10 years. And, you know, anyway. So we are entering, or by the way, we're waiting on Tyler Fisher. He's coming, but we have a few minutes before he gets. He's a relatively new comedy seller. Yeah, just a few weeks. So let's talk about New Year's resolutions.

Well, I don't do those, but we can talk about, as a general matter, what we'd like to see different in Ireland. What do you mean you don't do them? I don't do New Year's resolutions. If I want to make a change, I make a change. I look at the man in the mirror. Change! You know. I know Michael Jackson

over the years made a few resolutions he didn't live up to. I don't even bother to make those resolutions. He might have been quite happy with the way things were. I'm sure he made. He tried. Anyway, what would you resolve should you be so inclined? Well, it's always for me a career issue. But there's nothing I can do about it.

It's a problem. I mean, I have been writing more. I'm more prolific. And so that's something that I think since coming out of the pandemic, I've been writing more. Now, I don't know if you've noticed, you really don't watch the shows

and I don't know if people have been talking because no, they haven't. But I have been writing more. I have heard that you have a good rate of new material. I've heard that. So that's something I've been to. But like I said, if I want to make a change, I make a change. And don't necessarily wait for the new year.

Here's the question, Dan. Knowing what you know now about where you are in your career, would you tell young Natterman to go into comedy? Or would you stick to the law or become an entrepreneur? You know, that's an interesting question. Or a different aspect of show business, right? I mean, I was talking with somebody just today and they said, well, you know, you're complaining, but would you, I was talking about, you know, people I know that I went to Wharton with

and they're making millions of billions of dollars and they say, yeah, but would you want their lives? And the answer really is no. I mean, I would like my life with more money. If you said to me, you can have your life or their lives, I would probably still stick with mine. But maybe you could have pursued getting a writing job. But maybe I would have been more vigorous about getting a writing job. Maybe I would have been more vigorous about that.

Yeah, that's certainly something that I might tell young Natterman, you know, um, he wouldn't listen. He may or may not, but as far as telling him to just not be in, no, I wouldn't be. I knew young Natterman. Yeah. Yeah. But, but, but I, yes, I would still, if you said you could be a, you'd be a corporate lawyer and you'd be making a $2 million a year at Skadden.

No, I wouldn't. That does not sound like a life I would want. No, I agree with you on that. You've had a good one. What about you, Periel? What would you do differently? What would you tell young Periel, naked on the cover of a book, to do differently? I would have started to pursue

comedy much earlier in my career. I think that when I was you know, when I moved to LA and I started writing and I was trying to get. What's that? Flashback scene now. Oh, yeah.

I moved to L.A. Yeah. No, I didn't. But, you know, everything in hindsight is like that, I suppose. I think I got a really late start in something I knew was the only thing I ever really had any great interest in. I thought you were going to say you would have gotten married younger and had children earlier so you could have more of them. You didn't think I would say that. So I didn't know your interest in stand-up comedy was that deep.

I thought it was one of your interests. Writing is obviously an interest. Well, I don't see those entirely as mutually exclusive, though. But you started that early. Yes. I mean, straight out of grad school. But I didn't know that stand-up comedy, but you started that early. Yes. I mean, straight out of grad school, but I didn't know that standup comedy was something you felt that passionately. Yeah. I think it was really the only, I think comedy sort of in general, standup writing,

comedy, TV, all of that was really the only thing I ever wanted to do. And I moved to LA right out of grad school and started trying to write comedy for TV. And I wound up selling my book, writing a book and selling it. And then we sold the pilot to that and we shot it, which was a pretty big deal. I was in my late 20s at the time. The pilot was terrible.

So in any case, you're saying you would have done Stan. You promised to send it to me. You never sent it to me. I never promised to send it to you. You know what your resolution should be in 2023? You're talking to no. Yes, I'm talking to no. Just for those who are not watching us.

Yes, Pariel, what should it be? What do you think it should be? As it relates to our relationship? Nothing that I can say. Not to be less hard on Perrielle? No, I don't. Yeah, that's fine. To give Perrielle her due to listen to Perrielle more?

Read Perrielle's book. Oh, okay. Is that it? Yeah, and also to what we already discussed, to reply to podcast-related emails in a much more timely fashion. But really to read Periel's book so that you can speak in a more informed fashion. Do you have a PDF version of it? Well, it's probably available on Kindle.

No, there's no Kindle version. Is there a Kindle version? Maybe of the second one, not of the first one. But you want me to read the first one? Well, we can start there. It's a good start. Start with the first one. But you want me to read the first one. Well, we can start there. It's a good start. Start with the first one. Yeah.

Right. So if there's no Kindle version, I can convert a PDF to an e-book format. I don't. You know what a PDF is, Pearl? Shut the fuck up. I'm just asking you. I don't know. Why?

You can't read a book? It's just easier for me to read. I read everything electronically, too. Also, if you used a big word that I don't know, I can get the definition immediately. Okay. And I don't know why you're saying that it's always career-oriented, but there's nothing you can do about it.

It makes me crazy when you say that. It's not there's nothing I can do, but a lot of it is up to the fates and the stars. No. It's not your phone in case Tyler Shaw... I didn't say it's all up to the fates and the stars. A lot of it is up to the fates and the stars. Okay. You do what you can do, and then at some point,

there has to be things that fall into place. Now, I don't want to get bogged down in that, because I just want to bring up one more topic before Tyler Fisher shows. Yeah. That is, I'm newly on TikTok, you know. That's one event that happened to me in 2022 that distinguishes 2022 from some of the years prior is I became a TikTok-er, user, TikTok-er, if you will. Tyler actually has a funny joke about TikTok, which I won't do, but maybe he will.

But Mitch Hedberg's been popping up on my TikTok feed. I guess when you watch comedy, so they throw other comics at you. But anyway, and Mitch Hedberg's perhaps one of the only comics on TikTok that I will watch the whole video. So they feed me more Mitch Hedberg. And what a devastating loss he was because, you know, I just, he's been gone for how long? 15 years, maybe longer. Um, he just was a delight. Yeah. And, um, yeah, that's, that's all I highlighted my hair last night. You know, some of them really deserve recognition,

but it's not even, it's, it's an example, and this is an analogy I've made before, about lyrics and music. Some comedians, it's all about the music, meaning the delivery. Some, it's all about the lyrics, meaning the jokes. I mean, I guess with Hedberg, it's both. But the music is all important with Hedberg. Anybody can say a Hedberg joke. It won't be a Hedberg joke unless Mitch is saying it with the glasses and the long hair and that accent, which I don't know

what kind of accent it is. It's not a Minnesota accent, which is, I think, where he's from. It is some sort of an accent that I think he made up. Well, it's a wonderful... And the jokes, you know... It's a coincidence because I was going

redoing the Comedy Cellar website. Hello, Tyler. Hey, Tyler. I began to look through some archive material. We have all this old archive material because I want to take some images to put them on the website. Blah, blah, blah. And I noticed that we had some Mitch Hedberg

video digitized. So I downloaded it to watch it. And the same thing as that oh my god this guy was so fantastic I know so fantastic you know you go to a restaurant on the weekends it gets busy so they start a waiting list they start calling out names they say like do frame party or two table ready for do frame party or two and if no one answers they'll say the name again do frame party or two but they have no one answers they they'll say the name again. Dufresne, party of two. But then if no one answers, they'll just go right on to the next name.

Bush, party of three. Yeah, but what happened to the Dufresnes? No one seems to care. Who can eat at a time like this? People are missing. You people are selfish. The Dufresnes are in someone's trunk right now. With duct tape over their mouth.

And they're hungry. That's a double whammy. We need help. Bush, search party of three. You can eat once you find the Dufresne's. Yeah, he was a delight. What about my New Year's resolutions?

Let's introduce Tyler. That's for you to discuss. Do you have any? Before we get to Mr. Fisher. Why don't you introduce Tyler. That's for you to discuss. Do you have any? Before we get to Mr. Fisher? Why don't you introduce him and then we can, maybe Tyler has some too. All right. I didn't want to take your job. This is a very long intro that you gave me, but I will try to tighten it up. She's a producer, do what you're told. Tyler is an actor, stand-up comedian, and filmmaker. Wow, that's a big resume. He's like me, he's an AGT alumni, and he was a guest star on NBC's Chicago Med, TV Land's Younger, that's a big resume. He's, like me, is an AGT alumni and he was a guest star

on NBC's Chicago Med, TV Land's Younger, and Startup on Netflix. Named the best new impressionist by the New York Times. I'm assuming, by the way, that that's our dear friend, what's his name?

Jason Zinneman. Zinneman. That's Jason. Jason Zinneman. He's on our back pocket, let's face it. But in any case, and he has performed

on Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and The Late Show with Stephen Colbert. Recently starred in the Western film Terror on the Prairie. Nothing to do with Little House on the Prairie, I assume. That's a Daily Wire production? That's right. So is it conservative? The Daily Wire is like this conservative? Conservative?

The owners are, but the films they're doing are non-political. Oh, sure. Oh, come on. Oh, come on. It's a Western film. You don't fucking believe that. I, sure. Oh, come on. Oh, come on. It's a Western film. You don't fucking believe that. I mean, I had to do the Trump impression the whole time, so.

For a Western? Yeah. No, I'm kidding. By the way, we were just talking about TikTok, and I mentioned your TikTok joke. I didn't tell the joke because I didn't feel it was my place. Oh, yeah. But if you want to either do it or I can do it, or neither of us can do it. I can just head out.

I can go do it down there and come back. No, I'm just saying I brought it up. Oh, sure, sure. Because you said you walked in during the TikTok. I walked in during the TikTok. Sure, sure. Yeah, the TikTok joke is epic. TikTok would have been a great name for a dating app for women in their late 30s.

That's very good. All right, so New Year's. Do you have any New Year's resolutions Noam? Noam doesn't strike me as the type To have New Year's resolutions He strikes me as like me If he feels a change needs to be made He'll make it at that time How about to shut off your phone

During the podcast as a New Year's resolution I didn't hear it So what are my resolutions Well I do have one, actually. Okay, we're waiting. I listened to a podcast. So, we got some good feedback about our last podcast with Eric Levitz. Is that his name?

Levitz? What was his name? Levitz. Yeah, we love it at Levitz. You didn't share it with us? Well, I got a text message here from, I don't want to say his name, but he's an actual personality. He said, your grilling of Eric Levitt's was so good it had the weird effect of my wanting to stop listening. The witness was thoroughly discredited. So I said, really?

Because I thought I was off my game on that show. So I went back and listened to it. And what I noticed was the following. I'm so nervous about boring Dan and the listeners, mostly Dan. Boring Dan or do you call him boring Dan? Both, both. Okay.

I'm boring, that I rush through everything. Like? Dan? Both. Both. Okay. I'm boring that I rushed through everything. I like, even when I wanted to read quotes of articles to him, I don't even, I can't even believe anybody listening knows what I'm talking about because I'm, I'm rushing through everything simply because I know Dan doesn't want this damn guest to begin with.

So, so this is my, and I wasn't used, didn't use to be like that. So I resolve that I'm going to take my time, and you guys have to remind me when I'm not taking my time. I'm going to take my time and speak properly

and have a normal conversation with people, and I'm going to read the research that I do, and if I can't find it immediately as I hear other people doing other podcasts, they take a beat to get their papers in order, whatever it is, without their co-host taking out his phone and checking his email and huffing and puffing. Well, I mean, OK, that's fine. But it sounds to me like your resolution is in direct conflict with my vision for 2023. Which is to make the podcast more accessible to the kind of people that I connect with.

But when we do a podcast, which is to your liking, I don't check out. Right. Because that's the genius of dan natterman he can make even stuff that's not your primary interest interesting to you and like so for example oh is that it's your genius or it's not my it's not my i think the last podcast the last podcast when i opened the discussion up more generally about twitter and what would you do if you were ceo of twitter i think i struck a brilliant compromise between discussing freedom of speech and a conversation that literally anybody could enjoy.

I may be wrong, and I don't know what this individual that sent you the email was, might not have been referring to that part of the podcast, but I felt that we, remember the part where I said, what would you do if you were CEO of Twitter? And you said, well, I would have, this would be my rule. I remember. I thought that that was when things really got brilliant is a strong word. But I thought that then I opened the conversation to,

we're talking about freedom of speech and we're talking about Twitter, but we're doing it in a way that everybody can relate to. So that's what I thought. But we do have Tyler Fisher here. Yeah. And so I don't want to talk about last week's podcast. We've got Tyler Fisher right here. Now, Tyler Fisher, I don't know you.

I never met you, but I'm looking at you. I'm thinking Southern boy or Midwest. Yeah, I have the look that can go either way. I could be a hip barista or I could be leader of QAnon. It depends on what people want to see. You'll look like someone out of the cast of There Will Be Blood. Or like the cover

of a Kansas album. Sure. You know, with like John Brown. I think it's John Brown. I don't know the name. It's that famous picture of John Brown.

Yeah, I just have to switch. You can go in many different ways. So what milieu do you come from? I'm sorry? What milieu?

What are your origins? You're not supposed to ask people those kind of things anymore. No, like what part of the country? No, you said this wouldn't happen. What part of the country? Oh, Connecticut.

Really? But southern Connecticut. Well, that's where I'm from. By the border, you know. The border of what? New York? It was tough down there by the border.

I'm from Stanford. Where are you from? I had to sneak Xanax in my boat shoes across state lines. I'm from New Haven. That's right. We had this sneak Xanax in my boat shoes across state lines. I'm from New Haven. That's right. We had this discussion.

We did. Yeah, we already talked about this. But he looks like somebody that could be like, yeah, like you said, you know. Well, that's how I got in this Western film. Yeah. They just saw me on Instagram and got an audition. And it's just a real big... But they also like your politics because you are, I don't know, like conservatives don't want to be called conservative anymore because, you know, it's just a real big... But they also like your politics, because you are... I don't know.

Conservatives don't want to be called conservative anymore, because liberals have done such a good job of stigmatizing it, but you are heterodox. You're more team Muslim than you are. I'm actually not really political at all. What are you talking about? You're out there doing videos about

making fun of that trans woman who... That has nothing to do with politics Oh in your mind it does No no But in reality it doesn't People like to say everything's political But there's no I do impressions of everybody

So I just saw somebody and I was like That'd be a fun impression to do No you're bullshitting now Are you telling me that that bit that you did doesn't reflect your actual leanies about that issue? No, because, I mean, like I said, we talked about this, but I was raised by two men. I have a gay dad, and so I was raised in that sort of... I'm not saying you're anti-trans.

Sure. Sure. But, well, all right, because then what's political about it? You think that... Well, could you just let me in on what the impression is? Tell him, tell him. Oh, sure. Which is how we met, which is really funny,

because I've been doing stand-up in New York for 15 years. I'm totally wrong about this guy. I thought he'd be... He's from two gay guys. Yeah, yeah. Well, no, I was raised very... Who carried the baby? Liberal, left-leaning.

All right, so my dad came out when I was seven. Came out as racist. And then he came out two years later as gay as a cover, I think, for it. So he left my mom, and so he got married to a man. So I was raised by my dad and another guy and then sometimes by my mom and her new husband. You know, very very very left leaning family but you're more of a centrist now you would say

no he's saying he's not really political I really know nothing about politics so what's this thing that Noam's talking about you do an impression of there's a Dylan Mulvaney he was a gay guy who then said he identified as a woman and he does, uh,

days of girlhood. So he does videos like this is my first day as a girl. And so I ate all this ice cream and I yelled at a guy and I spent all this money on dresses. Some people love it. And some, and some women think that it's like an erasure of, uh,

you know, erasing actual femininity. And so I just did an impression of it. He has this video where he has this bulge. He's wearing, she's wearing very tight pants. Well, he, Tyler is a he, so you can say he. Well, Dylan.

Oh, there's a real video. Oh, huge. Just met the president. Yeah, she's wearing really tight pants and you can see her pee-pee. And she does this whole monologue about it, and she says at the end, and I just decided we have to normalize the bulge. Women having bulges. Is Dylan actually trans?

Yeah. Okay. But this is like a whole movement in the trans world. To normalize the bulge. Yes. Now, there's a lot of trans women that still keep the penis. But I thought that with trans, they wanted to be as close to a woman as possible. Why are so many of them keeping the bulge?

Because surgery is a major thing. It's a big spectrum, man. It's a huge spectrum of reasons why know identify or feel they think they are some people we hung out with someone who was detransitioned the night you and i met yeah and so this was a man who had his penis removed at 15 or something 16 and realized he was just in a mental crisis he was just gay and now he's detransitioning and and and it's just like it's it's heartbreaking talking it's an interesting topic if you'll allow me i saw jordan peterson on tiktok well he's you know really something and you know dan i noticed you clean your damn room got your damn life in

order i don't know where jordan write some damn jokes i've been writing a lot jordan um yeah i don't know where jordan from, but his accent is... Ottawa. Canada. Yeah, but I know a lot of Canadians. My family's Canadian. None of these people talk like that. Yeah.

I don't know any Canadians that talk as Canadian. Well, his dad's from Ottawa. His mom is a frog. And, well, that's what you get. You get a little Kermit and a little bit of a boot. So go ahead, Dan. Jordan. So Jordan was talking about children that are minors getting surgery, gender affirmation surgery. Sure.

And in the strongest possible terms, condemning it as perhaps the greatest evil being committed in society today. do you think there's ever a situation where a a minor getting gender affirmation surgery is the appropriate course of action asking me i'm asking the no table no i would say it's too big because i've met so many people that regret it and it's and it's again you have to talk to someone who says i was 14 14, I was confused. People just were feeding me this stuff and encouraging me and saying, you have this feeling, go with it. And then they cut their genitals off and now they can't

have kids, they can't reproduce, they can't. Those people regret it, but Dan's asking about situations where people are people who don't regret it. Would you have begrudged? But not regretting it is not sufficient. It has to be a situation where Can you imagine a stand? There are people who don't regret it. Would you have begrudged? Sure, sure. But not regretting it is not sufficient.

It has to be a situation where not giving gender affirmation to the minor would have devastating consequences. I think that's the case for certain people. So my opinion on it is this. Of course, I don't know. What the hell do I know about this? Well, let's say you have a kid. You do have kids, right? I didn't get my opinion out.

Hold on. But what I do know is that anytime something becomes so politicized and that the correct, quote, opinion is so pressured, it's very dangerous to trust it. And there's no question now, we know this, there's plenty of evidence of it, that any doctor who feels not quite in step with the current conventional wisdom on this issue risks his career for him to come out and say it. So I would be very, very, very cautious if I were a parent taking any advice on this, and that's what's scary about it.

And by the way, this dovetails with this guy, Jason Furman. We had this economist, Jason Furman, and we got covered in the Wall Street Journal for this. I didn't even realize we did because he admitted that actually many academic, I think he said most, he's doing a, most academic- Well, because, no, that's obsessive compulsive. It has nothing to do with you. That's my obsessive compulsive disorder to check my text.

Most academic economists felt that the $1.8 trillion government bailout or government, whatever it was, was too much money and would cause inflation but they were afraid to say so so they kept quiet and i think that that problem is even you know tripled or quadrupled when it comes to doctors having the nerve to speak out about what they might or might not feel about trans stuff and i will say i have a very – I've had some access to psychologists who deal with this stuff. And the stuff they've told me is like, whoa. But they won't say these things out loud.

So my answer is I want children to have whatever it is that's best for them. But I don't have any confidence in politicized science. And we're living in a time now of politicized science. So that's my answer. Good. But the problem is how can you distinguish when they say, this is what I want, but they say that on a large spectrum of things. Children.

Children, yeah. Parents say, no, you can't do that. No, you can't eat candy all day and night. I mean, i got away with mur i i was a good example of someone that did whatever they wanted whenever they wanted and i it it's a miracle that i'm even alive because i had no it was okay you know my parents got divorced they both wanted to be the the hero and so got into drugs, theft, sold drugs, grew marijuana, sold it, starting at age 10. I mean, some of the things I read, like on Twitter, for instance, that I didn't know that these children who have these surgeries can never have an orgasm.

Now, that's a hell of a thing, right? That's a hell of a thing is something Jordan Peterson would say. No, that's a hell of a thing. Well, that's not hell of a thing is something Jordan Peterson would say. No, that's a hell of a thing. Well, that's not as good an impression as yours, but you get the idea. Do you think all the parents who authorized this stuff even understood that? So, like, maybe it wouldn't surprise me, it wouldn't shock me to find out that one of the reasons trans women choose not to have the surgery is that this is a compromise. Yeah, they'd prefer to not have a dick, but, you know, they're not going to have the surgery, is that this is a compromise. Yeah, they'd prefer to not have a dick, but they're not going to have a real vagina.

It's going to be some reconstructed, essentially cosmetic vagina, but at least they can still get off. You know? So maybe they prefer that. Well, I don't know that it's true that everyone, I mean, I'm talking about adults who have bottom surgery for a vagina can't get off. I think that.

That's what I've read. But it's hard to imagine. No, but kids with a puberty block. Can you separate the. It's hard to imagine that the vagina, even if they could get off, it's just hard to imagine would be as good as the orgasm that you would get from a. No. And have you seen how they construct the penises for the female to male?

Yes. They take skin from... I could just show you. Well, I wanted leg extension surgery, and I thought it was called bottom surgery, and so I had some stuff removed by accident. They use something from the arm? Yeah.

They take skin from the arm. They construct this penis, and... But that surgery we know is not as sophisticated as male to female. Reconstructing a penis is more difficult medically and scientifically than the other. But can you separate the politics of it? Back to the politics. What's political about talking about it? It's like COVID became political, but it's not, but it's, it's, it,

it has the facade of being political, but I refuse to say that it actually is because people say all the time, you're so political because you do this and that. But as a comedian, I feel like if I'm afraid to make fun of one thing, that's a slippery slope. So sometimes I just go, I'm going to make fun of this because I'm afraid to make fun of one thing, that's a slippery slope. So sometimes I just go, I'm going to make fun of this because I'm afraid to. Listen, I tend to agree with you that many things shouldn't be political. I mean, you can say the same even about economic policy. Global warming. Global warming, right.

But they are political. So you can't fight City Hall. It just is. You've been saying that a lot recently. I've been saying that a fair amount. It's a good expression to capture the things change, and at some point you have to, you know,

I don't know if to be right, say, well, it is political. Right, right. I think the tricky part, though, sometimes is the labels, because you know, to a lot of people, especially in a liberal city, if they go, oh, you talk about this thing, so that means you're Republican or conservative and you're extreme and you're far right. And then the group of things that you're lumped into now is getting bigger and bigger. If you come out and say you believe in global warming, then people will automatically say you're a liberal and you therefore have all these other views that you might not have. But that really shouldn't be political, but it is.

That's a scientific question, isn't it? Trying to do my job. It was pretty good. Well, that's a hell of a question. The reason the trans thing becomes political, it is also a scientific question in a sense, but it's also bound up with that is society's treatment. What rights should they have?

Should female swimmers be able to compete if they're trans? It's going to be messy for a while. And those all are political issues, as know, as it was with gay issues. Should there be gay marriage? Should a gay counselor be able to be counseling young boys? I think you don't have to play the game. You don't have to proceed any statement with if it is or isn't. I think we need to get back to just giving our opinions on stuff and not bubble wrapping it and like hey this isn't really a right side thing but

what is this you do you know what i mean like it's thinking about that now she's like wondering about everybody's kind of tiptoes around stuff instead of just saying this is what i think tensions are so high in this country this is it it's crazy's crazy. Too much happened at once, you know? We had the BLM movement. We had the pandemic. I was like, jeez, I got to get a vaccine and get a black friend? This was too much.

It's too much at once. It's rough, man. Found out all sorts. Found out I was racist. I didn't know. Someone told me. People could just tell you what you are now. You're lactose intolerant.

Shut up. Yeah, you are. It's the new normal. It's the new normal. No, it's the old crazy. We're going back to old and crazy. There's nothing new and normal about it. Okay. I miss the old days, you know, when you just treated people by how they were, you know?

Someone was a dick, you're a dick to them. Someone's nice, you're nice. Now they're like, oh, I don't think so. You have to look at their skin color. Their gender. There's a whole checklist of things you have to do before you even say hello to somebody. It makes you crazy.

It makes you so self-conscious. I'm talking to minorities like they're mentally retarded. I'm like, hi. I see you. I hear you. I'm sorry. I don't know why. I'm sorry.

Some money I don't have. I think of some drink tickets. I'm sorry. I had to do one of those diversity training meetings. Anybody have to do those at work? Yeah. Fun, huh? This is what's so weird about it all. It's white people telling other white people

how to talk to black people. That's fucking off. That's a little off, isn't it? Wouldn't you want a representative there? Be like, no, no, no, that's not really... I'm gonna fact-check that. But I had a 21 year old white woman tell us how to talk to the minorities and it really started to screw with me.

Right after the meeting, I go up to a black employee, I was like, hey, Ray, I just wanna let you know, man, I see you, I hear you, let's go, Brian, he beat the shit out of me, right? I don't know what, I don't see how it's How this is helping You know Yeah

What are you thinking Pariel She's having trouble She has a young son No I think that She doesn't have to take her time No I think that Frankly I would feel

Much more comfortable Leaving my son alone with a gay man than a straight guy. That's fine, but then the question men that are committing those kinds of crimes. No. Yeah, yeah. That's because there's just way more straight men. No, no. That's not true.

Men are men. You're saying gay men and straight men commit those kinds of crimes at roughly equal percentages? No. they absolutely categorically do not. I'm saying, without any scientific evidence, I've already staked my reputation on the fact that men don't become any less creepy

depending on their sexual orientation. Oh, for sure straight men are way more creepy. Oh, no. I was raised around gay men. i've had men gay men try to hook up with me in front of my father i mean it's like gay men are the worst type of men for one reason women keep men in check straight women keep straight men in check and so there's no checks and balances what does that mean check? Straight men would do anything if women didn't go, hey, too far, too far.

Gay men don't have that. So at a gay bar, I know this from personal experience, and because I've been talking about it, at a gay bar, if one man grabs another man's ass, culturally that's considered different than if you do it to a woman. Because, what he's saying, because women are like, don't touch me. Because women are no fun? Women are no fun. Listen, let me be very clear. I am not saying that a gay man.

Some of them aren't. I'm not saying that a gay man is one ounce more likely to do anything to children than a straight man. God forbid anybody takes it that way. All I'm saying, well, the only outrageous position I have is that gay men are exactly the same as straight men. And you do not leave

a straight man around a bunch of young girls unattended, and the logic would be to say, well, let's discuss, what about the mirror image? We've come this far to finally admit that gay is no different than straight. And now we're making it, we say, well, actually, it is different than straight.

It's actually better. You can talk about anything, as we've often said. It's just, are you prepared to face the backlash? That's it. And Tyler Fisher is ready. I faced it all. I have no filter anymore. I've been called everything based on every type of joke I've made.

Oh, and by the way, I was almost molested. I've told this story. Just last weekend? No, when I was being tutored for my bar mitzvah. Shh, not in front of the Gentiles. When I was being tutored for my bar mitzvah, because I missed Hebrew school and all that stuff, the synagogue sent over the junior rabbi to tutor me,

and my father and my stepmother at the synagogue sent over the junior rabbi to tutor me, and my father and my stepmother at the time went out to the movies while I was alone with the rabbi. And the rabbi sat me down. Dan's already queasy about this story. And he's like, well, do you know what it means to be Jewish? I'm like,

I don't have to get what I answered. He says, well, no, you know, Jews also were circumcised. I'm like, oh, yeah, there's that. He goes, do you know what that means? And I'm like, I can He says, well, no, you know, Jews also were circumcised. I'm like, oh, yeah, there's that. He goes, do you know what that means? And I'm like, I can't believe I forgot the story. And I said, and I had never seen an uncircumcised penis. I didn't know really what it meant.

And I said, well, I don't really know. He says, where's your room? I said, upstairs. He takes me out to my room. He says, sit down in the bed. He says, lie back. And he started to unbuckle my belt. And not because I had any idea that I was going to be molested.

This was not on our radar in the 70s. Kids were not warned about this stuff. I was just shy. And I said, no, no, I don't want to, you know, I don't need to know or something like that. And he stopped. He didn't force me. That is the most fucked up. Have you ever told anyone that? What?

Have you ever told anyone that? Yeah, yeah. I told my father as soon as we got home, yeah. And what did your father do? He made a joke. Did your father call the synagogue and say, you got to get rid of this guy? He called the synagogue. And what did the synagogue?

But I'm sure they didn't admire him. That is the most fucked up story. I never told you this story? No. I love how everything else you're like, I know I shouldn't talk about this. That one you're like, Where is this guy?

That's my own truth. But did he get at least fired? Or at least demoted? I would almost be sure he was not fired. He's now senior rabbi. I'm sure he was not fired. I'm sure he was not fired. That is fucking outrageous.

I heard that story. Oh, I heard that story. I heard that story. I'm not, I don't know, band leader. Yeah heard that story. Oh, I heard that story. I heard that. Yeah. I'm not, no band leader. Yeah, that's so. Oh, you must have some residual trauma

from that. You think? No, it wasn't traumatic at all. No, he's fine. He's fine. He's fine. I didn't even realize

it was a traumatic experience. You look at his belt, it's duct taped. I've got a lock and key on it. It was not a traumatic experience. I didn't understand it. The fact that you think that it wasn't a traumatic experience just shows how fucked up you are. Oh, that's clever.

How old were you? Thanks. 12. I almost asked how old you were when you started telling that story. My priest, when I was eight, blew his brains out at the altar in my church. Wow. All the stories about priests. Were you there? Why? Because you gave him such a bad blowjob? That's my job. Wow. All the stories about priests. Why? Because you gave him such a bad blowjob?

That's my joke! That's my joke! Peril, all the stories about priests belie what you just said about... No, no, no, no, no. The reason why I'm sitting here all crinkled up and thinking is because

it makes me really uncomfortable and thinking is because I, it there's it makes me really uncomfortable when, and this is a thing too, when people start you know, sort of, and I'm not saying that you were doing this to be very, very clear. Start talking about like pedophilia and being gay and it's like a very dangerous

I didn't say pedophilia. No, no, you didn't say it. But why are you saying that makes you uncomfortable when I didn't say that? Because that's what no, you didn't say it. Well, why are you saying my head makes me uncomfortable when I didn't say that? Because that's what the conservatives always do. What is my point? She politicized it. Well, ask me. I'm the House conservative here.

It's like, because she's concerned, you're playing into a stereotype. Thank you. It's like if you start talking about... This is my point about trans surgery. People, it becomes politicized, and doctors even feel tremendous pressure to say the correct thing. Well, we don't know the statistics of how many, let's say, priests or rabbis actually did abuse children. We wouldn't know how many were straight or pedophiles or closeted gay pedophiles because all of that stuff is repressed probably deeper than anybody else.

So it would be hard to get that data. But that data would be very telling. I mean, I think in general, the lessons of history that we shouldn't leave children alone with a single adult. There should be two. I was a babysitter for seven years. You shouldn't have been.

You shouldn't have been. Well, well, well, here's the thing. It did start to switch and male babysitters became in high demand in Brooklyn. I think maybe as things were getting more dangerous, because you're out in the streets. Even though I'm the size of a child, you see me from the back. Why? But the number of adults who are actually pedophiles,

why is probably so minuscule? I'm not talking about pedophiles. But in order to want to have sex with a child, like— I'm talking about 13-, 14-, 15-year-old, 16-year-old kids. Well, there's a huge difference between 13 and 16 for starters, right? Not in—maybe in boys, not so much in girls. Some 13-year-old girls could look 21. That rabbi probably molested so many kids

Maybe he molested my priest and then my priest killed himself That's such a good joke by the way I don't know The one that you finished? Jamie Foxx became a fan of mine from that joke I don't know how he found it but he left me a voice message

Wait can you tell the whole thing? I'm sorry I didn't know it was a joke. No one's ever finished it. Basically, I tell the story on stage, but I say my priest blew his brains out, and it's something that's haunted me my whole life, and sometimes I'm like, damn,

were my blowjobs that bad? By the way, I'm feeling very guilty. Jamie Kirchick is a good friend of this show and is a good friend of mine. And it would break my heart if he thought I said anything wrong. I'm not, God forbid, advocating anything here. He's a friend of a member of the LGBT community? He's a friend of no one.

He wrote a book about gay Washington. But what would he find conflict? I don't know. I'm going to email him. I think you made your position clear. It's just a hypothetical. I was just coming up with a hypothetical how politics would intercede in a logistical progression of thought. But this all started off with me posing the question whether there's a situation.

You can envision, well, can you even envision hypothetically a situation, a realistic situation where you would think, okay, surgery for a 16-year-old, gender affirmation surgery for a 16-year-old would be the appropriate course of action. I don't know enough about it, but if I were in that situation, gender affirmation surgery for a 16-year-old would be the appropriate course of action. Do you think that this— I don't know enough about it, but if I were in that situation, if one of my children were trans or expressed that they were trans, I would have to take a deep, deep dive into all the research

and want to speak to either, you know, them myself, the researchers myself, and perhaps I would come to the conclusion they should have the surgery. I don't know. They're doing the opposite now. They're affirming it. In Canada, this is what Jordan was know. They're doing the opposite now. They're affirming it. In Canada, this is what Jordan was fighting. That's why he got famous.

He was fighting against... Now, you sound a little bit too much like a supporter when you start using the first name. Oh, I love Jordan Peterson. I love him. Okay. He was here, you know.

He was... At the cellar. He was here to see you? No, no. I did meet him, though, when I did the movie with the Daily Wire. I'm not a fan, but go ahead. Well, I'll tell you why I'm a fan just briefly,

because my life was in shambles. I had no purpose. I wasn't raised properly. I had no idea how to be a man or to have a girlfriend or any of that. I found some of his college lectures, and I was able to wean out stuff I didn't like. But he said something I've never really heard anyone say, which is, like, take responsibility for your life,

and that'll give you meaning. And that's when I started treating comedy like a job, and it's a direct line to even being here. I can't argue with that. Yeah. But anyway, you're saying... Anyhow. Oh, oh.

You met Jordan Peterson, that is. Yeah, yeah, I met Jordan. What were we talking about? Not Jordan Jensen. Trans stuff? Oh, oh. You met Jordan Peterson, that is. Yeah, yeah. I met Jordan. What were we talking about? Not Jordan Jensen. Trans stuff. Basically, I would say, like, we're affirming in Canada. I think there's a law now, or it's becoming a law, that you have to start by affirming. If I'm 15 and I say I'm trans, they have to start there and agree with it.

Rather than what we've been doing for the whole- But agreeing with it doesn't mean giving you surgery either. Well, that's where it leads pretty quickly rather than starting with, oh, wait, your parents just got divorced or maybe you were molested or maybe, you know, X, Y and Z working backwards from no, this is not true. Working backwards to, OK, this is well, I don't know enough about the science to know what the presumption should be. But why would we?

But where I disagree, where I disagree with Jordan, if I could just finish that, where I disagree with Jordan Peterson is he said basically on its face, giving surgery to a minor was evil, it's wrong, in the strongest possible terms. And I don't think you can come to that conclusion without investigating things further it may well be that you should never do it but i and the question i posted on was i i can imagine a scenario where uh extreme extreme distress would be the result of not giving surgery to a child and then i think you should at least there's at least a discussion to be had. And maybe the conclusion would be no. But I don't think it's as open and shut as what I interpreted Jordan Peterson to have said.

Well, I would say, of course, you're correct, Dan, that you can't make a blanket statement like that. And I don't know why we would start at the idea that, no, you're not trans. I mean, I'm not saying that we should be blindly. Well, you're talking about two different things. I'm not saying whether or not we should say you're not. I'm saying whether surgery should be offered to a minor. That's the that's the issue. And I think and can I tell you another? And it may well be that you should never give surgery to a minor, but I don't think without investigating it and the psychological potential consequences, you can come to that conclusion.

Can I tell you another story that's kind of related to all this? When I used to pick up my daughter, Mila, at the JCC from swimming, I was often the only dad there. And, you know, after swimming, the little, you're talking about three, four-year-old girls, they're changing out of their bathing suits. They're naked. The moms did not want me

in the room. I have to take Mila privately to change her out of her bathing suit. When it's a little boy swimming, of course, there's all the moms in there. You know, thing.

So now I agree with that. There might be something to that. Yeah, I agree with that in a certain way. But boy, when you ask this whole like gender is a social construct, blah, blah, blah crowd to rationalize that, the double talk is priceless, you know. The only way you can agree with that is if you don't think they're all the same. Men and women are not the same. None of it's the same. There are actually differences and we actually do have set up rules to

protect ourselves from those differences. Not that everybody or even that most people can't be trusted, but that a critical mass of danger can be avoided by making generalizations based on sex.

You don't want the dads in there with all the naked daughters, right? You just don't want that. I respect that. I don't like that example, though. Okay, because it's the JCC? No, because it's really hard to argue out of. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, this is like real life, you know? Noam, could I ask you quickly?

You had said that you're not a fan of Jordan Peterson. Well, I'm not a fan of his, but I can't argue with- It's because you're doing well. You don't need him. I cannot argue with the fact that I've heard this from other people, that he has inspired people in ways that they feel has changed their lives. And he makes men a lot better for women. A lot better for women.

I was not a good candidate to be a boyfriend. You know? How are you now? I'm much better. Financially stable. I took over. I had five roommates. I took over the house,

and now I live in a five-bedroom house. I got a dog. Started working out. Started treating comedy. I quadrupled my income. All because, in his his point and he always cries when he cries a lot when he when he talks but uh his point is like most people get no encouragement and men right now in particular get no encouragement and that's not an insult

towards women or anything saying women shouldn't be lifted up in the way they have been but it's gone really far to to the point where when men are mostly discouraged for any any uh stance of of accomplishment or what would be seen as power and so i started to like really feminize myself and women don't like that and you know uh comedy clubs or wherever you know it's not a it's not a attractive look for most men. Well, you were going to ask my problem with Jordan Peterson? I guess that would be the logical question. So years ago, I tried to read one of his first books or his first book.

It has a number in it. 12 Rules for Life. 12 Rules for Life. And I found it to be kind of self-help-ish, Tony Robbins-ish, salesy. And that turned me off. It reminded me of that Columbo episode. I don't know if you ever saw it,

but with the self-help guy with the Dobermans. No. Yeah, it's like this particular type of, you know, maybe kind of I see it as almost like a con man, although he's obviously a super genius, and what he's preaching is at root stuff I agree with, and it helps people. So I'm not arguing for a position of strength here, but there's something about it which just rubs me the wrong way and then that he makes common cause with some of the people who agree with him on these trans issues who i consider to be bigots like this guy uh what's the name walsh is that his name the guy who did the documentary oh matt walsh matt walsh um i haven't seen the documentary

but i saw his book that he wrote. He can go too far with it. I think he's gone too far with it. Matt Walsh. I did watch the documentary. Apparently, people have said the documentary is kind of good. I haven't seen it, but the book that he wrote, the kid's book. He incorporated that into the documentary. The documentary would have been brilliant if he left it be

because he just goes to gender studies teachers and all sorts of people. It just says, what is a woman? And they have mental breakdowns and he's so deadpan. But then he brings in this book and makes it a little, you know. Yeah. And I don't like people who are making fun of other people, especially people who, even if you take Matt Walsh's point of view, you're talking about people that he believes have psychological issues, right? Like that's, he doesn't think they're actually women. So what's going on there? Well, he thinks that they're messed up in the head in some way. So why are you making fun of them?

Like, what's your beef with them? Like, why are you so mean to the people who have some sort of mental illness in your point of view? So I don't like that whole wing. And I would respect Jordan Peterson more as a doctor, he's a doctor, he's a psychiatrist, a psychologist,

if he would disassociate himself from people like that. Well, he is a brand at this point. I don't like it. And when you have a brand, sometimes you've got to stay on brand. Well, I mean, to sympathize with him in one way, which is like during COVID, too, I did impressions of Fauci that went crazy viral,

and people called me a crazy right-wing conservative. And I lost a lot of friends. Just because you were doing an impression of fauci yeah and i was we hear the impression because um you know uh if that you know uh what would i say if if the if the ukrainian war didn't happen and what do you guys think do you think like covid kind of that week just it kind of stopped in the news right so um i would say that if if that war didn't happen he he'd be he'd be rolling out the 30th shot right now explaining why we need 30 shots you know the first shot really is just to loosen up the vein norman so to get it ready for the second third and fourth dose the fifth sixth and seventh are to create a vaccine community within the body. Anyways, that's a long joke.

But to that point, I got thrown in that camp, like, viciously. And the Daily Wire offered me a movie, and it's been a dream to be in a movie my whole life. So I lost an agent for being white. I lost a second one. Like I said, you lost an agent for being white. Oh, don't you have a lawsuit? Is it a U.S. lawsuit? Yeah, I have a lawsuit.

Before we go, you have to tell this. But anyways, but briefly, it was a serious like social isolation that I've never felt in my life. And so to have the Daily Wire

be like, hey, we love what you're doing. Come be in our movie. You know, I could see kind of getting caught up in a side that just you feel like you can at least like live your life in.

Yeah. Doesn't fully excuse it because I agree with you on the Matt Walsh stuff. It's an amazing lawsuit. Amazing. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So let's see. Assuming you're allowed to talk about a legal matter.

Yeah, I just went on Dr. Phil and we talked about it and all things. Okay. It's all out. It's all. The cat's out of the bag. So, yeah, I just went on Dr. Phil and we talked about it and all things. It's all out. The cat's out of the bag. So yeah, I've been acting for... Can I pick a guest or can I pick a guest? This was my idea. Yeah, yeah. And I didn't even know about the lawsuit. But I had a feeling there was something interesting.

I just knew that Fisher would have something interesting going. There were comedians that were like, you'll never work a day at the cellar because of this lawsuit. They don't know what I'm doing. I got so bullied. Why were they killed? Who said that? Because we were in a time.

First tell the lawsuit because it doesn't. Sure, sure. Okay. So long story short, been acting for 20 years. Maybe five years ago, I was with Abrams artist. Oh, I was with Abrams. Who's now somebody else. Are they not around?

Is he still alive? They just changed the name of it. I'm not sure what. I was with the music anyway. What Harry Abrams was. I don't know if he's still alive. We don't have that much time. Go ahead.

All right. I don't know if they dropped me or we just forgot about it. We just drifted apart. So they scouted me. And every time around SNL, a new agent will scout me and then bring me in, try to get me an audition. So they emailed me and just said, it's too tough out there for white dudes. They removed me from the roster. And it was kind of a shocking thing to be like.

And they're not wrong, maybe, necessarily. They're not wrong, but it was, I quit acting for like two years after that. Then got back on the horse, started making videos, going viral. And then this other company, again, scouted me. Hey, we're going to come watch you do stand-up. They sent people out. We love you. You want to be on Curb Your Enthusiasm? We'll get you in. A couple months goes by, silent. Then they call me. They go, we'd love to get you on the phone. And I'm like, OK, finally. My dream is coming true. I've had so many agents. And he goes, we hit a snag. We're not working with white men anymore. And I was like, what the fuck?

I mean, I just had like a two-year mental breakdown from the first one. So I was like, is this company policy? He goes, it's a new company. So I'm sitting at my podcast. I did a solo podcast. And my therapist was like, you got to fucking record this stuff. So I hit record.

And I go, can you say that again? He goes, yeah, we want to work can you say that again he goes yeah we want to work with you everyone loves you but we won't because you're a white man and i was like can you say it a little slower and i said is that company policy and he said it is and uh i just fucking had i i broke down i mean like i was sobbing i was punching shit i just like you know i have a lot of support from from comedians. I've been on the scene for 13 years. People are really supportive.

And so anyways, it took me months to even like tell my therapist about it. And then I just posted it on Instagram and then like ran away from it. You posted the recording on Instagram? No, no. I just said what happened. Was that legal to post a recording?

In New York it is. Okay. Yeah. But to post the recording would be legal? Yeah. Okay. All right. And a lawyer reached out, and he goes, hey, man, this is like clear as day discrimination.

And I sent him the tape, and he's like, this is fucking absurd. And so he filed a lawsuit at the Supreme Court. And then I posted the Supreme Court. The New York Supreme Court. Yeah. Not the Supreme Court that everybody knows I posted the Supreme Court. The New York Supreme Court. Not the Supreme Court that everybody knows. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In New York, the Supreme Court is the lowest level. I said that. I'm just making it clear. I know you said it. You said it in passing. I'm saying it clearly,

cogently. This is an important lawsuit because... But I got ripped apart. I just posted that on Twitter. And man, like... I got eaten alive. What moron?

Nobody that works at the cellar would say that you can't work at the cellar. I mean, whoever told you you can't work at the cellar, I assume. I don't gossip at all. I didn't know about this lawsuit before I let him work at the cellar. Maybe it is a problem. Hey, man, you know, I got 30 shows. I'm good. First of all, two things.

I want to hear about that. I want to know that it is a very important lawsuit because you should do your part so people don't say these things out loud anymore now now tell us why it is everything's gonna do what they want anyway tell us why it is that uh people thought you wouldn't work at the cellar because of this oh i got it you probably go look at the tweet uh it was look when i did that i, I had lots of white guys that work at the cellar, work everywhere, come to me privately and be like, thank you so much. I wouldn't, you know, that happened to me at this comedy club. People started coming out of the woodwork. I got a few thousand messages on Instagram. I've had white writers liberal writers

for very important liberal magazines say to me I got heard from where they didn't want my piece because they wanted someone who wasn't white and they're like I really don't know how to feel about this I always thought but now it's happening to me

I just don't think this is right but it's not right me. I'm like, I just don't think this is right. Yeah, yeah. But it's not right. Most, if not close to all, aren't speaking out about it publicly. So when I did, it was like, oh, I can't believe you went there.

You're not going to work. And I don't really care. So this wasn't the seller in particular, just you wouldn't work in this business anymore. Yeah, it was the seller. It was the seller, but I started my own... But what about the seller's reputation

would imply that we would be... Because this is the top club. We put Louie on, for Christ's sake. What are we talking about? You're a lawsuit. Well, I think people are really afraid to speak out. And so when I did, it was like, dude, you're done, you know?

That's so stupid. I don't think any club cares, to tell you the truth. Sure, yeah, maybe Yeah. Maybe not. Maybe not. But, but not, but, but Noam in particular doesn't care because this is an issue that's dear to Noam. I wouldn't care if you were, if you were, if you were, you know, suing the Jews for, for.

And also Noam. I'm also doing that. Noam, maybe to a fault, maybe not, tries to separate personal, even if Noam disagreed with you. Noam makes it a point, and maybe he goes too far in the other direction, to prove that he does not mix personal feelings with booking decisions. That's very rare. Anybody has the right to a lawsuit. But I'm saying even if he were outraged by your views.

No, I would probably watch it around more often so I could argue with you. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, I didn't, yes, I didn't work during COVID. Like, I didn't do shows at any, like, COVID passport places, too, and that was another big, like... Oh, so you're an anti-vax? No, no, I just didn't want to get it.

I had no opinion on vaccines, nothing. But again, back to everything gets put in this far-right camp. So to me, I was like, well, I'm already cast in that thing. I might as well do the lawsuit. I might as well do the movie with Daily Wire. It is disturbing. I don't know all your views, but I'll tell you it's disturbing. For someone, for me, who, I mean, maybe it's my own delusion.

I do not think I'm particularly, you know, right wing reactionary person on any issue, really. Like, you know, and yet if I filled out a questionnaire, I shudder to think where they would place me on the spectrum. You know, maybe it wouldn't be bad. I think I actually did one of those. Questionnaire, not questionnaire. But you're so much more interesting if you have nuance. I'm so bored with talking to people where you just know right away they're gonna they're gonna shut down they're not gonna talk about it it's becoming people really are craving like some nuanced dialogue in a serious way yeah well that's why uh the people who are

nuanced their podcasts but but making millions yeah but some of those people aren't necessarily new. I think that, I mean, I think staking out extreme, un-nuanced positions is probably more lucrative than saying, yeah, but on the other hand, yeah, but on the other hand. But then again, you know. But the nuance is now the extreme. The nuance has been shifted to, like, this more right-wing type of thing, I believe. Oh, you're 100% true.

I mean, if you're following, 100% right. If you're following these Twitter files. But there's nobody more nuanced than this podcast. Where's the millions? 2023. I think in 2023. Oh, you've been recording this? I think if I speak more slowly.

And the millions will roll in. And you fucking don't undermine me. I think we can, this podcast can take off because I think I'm a good interviewer. I just saw how I've degraded. Isn't that Nicole laughing? Degraded because I'm rushing through everything now because I can read the bubble. I can hear the blaring bubble over Dan's fucking head. That may well be.

But you'll have to admit that when I opened the discussion toward a more general discussion of Twitter, I think that's when things really got cooking, in my opinion. Or you can have Jordan Peterson on, and that'll really kick you off. Or it may well be, and as I said, I've been saying this literally for years, that we have no business doing a podcast together. We have two very different

visions, neither of which is necessarily wrong, but incompatible. This podcast ain't big enough for the both of us. So maybe you should do your own podcast, which I would think would be... Wow, I'm doing the last podcast. You know what, Dan? You're fired.

Well, you know, what better time than the end of the year? Go ahead, Praiyal. I have been sitting here for how long? Three years? Oh, God. No. It seems like nine.

I think that, I don't think that that's a wholly bad thing that you're aware of keeping Dan on his toes because Dan is a good representative sample of a balance between something that is extremely particular. No, if you listen to that podcast I did with Eric Levitt, I am rushing...

I didn't finish my sentence. Let the woman finish. Go ahead. No, no, please, by all means. Go ahead, finish. I get your point, but go ahead. I look to Nicole as... I love that.

I already understand what you're saying. Continue. And it sucks. Look, it may be that there is a demographic that wants to hear all of Noam's details, his research, and there might be tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of people in that category. I don't think we're going to find them on Raw Dog. We're not just on Raw Dog. We're on Raw Dog.

And we are on Raw Dog. And if we want to find, or a podcast. Yes, we got renewed yet again. Well, yeah. No, listen. Can I finish? Or like the laugh button, or. We might have the longest running show on Sirius Radio,

except for Howard Stern at this point. Dan, anybody can tune in. Like, it's not. Well, then how do we target the demographic that's going to sit there and listen to Noam rattling off details that I don't even understand. I went to law school and I don't know what the fuck he's talking about. You went to Fordham.

Fair enough. You gotta start doing impressions. Don't let me even bring up Tufts. Yeah, I thought you went to Tufts. No, he went to Tufts. So you were about to undergrad. I think Penn is top five now. You were about to, but I didn't do well.

I think Penn is top five now. I didn't do well. You were about to say something I think very profound, very interesting, and very insightful about my genius. Go ahead. Go ahead. Then we got to go. I just think that, you know, the two of you have really got to find a happy medium,

which I do think that, you know, somebody like Tyler represents a very good example of. He'd make a great co-host. I can talk like Ben Shapiro and just do it as fast as you want. We can really get these stories out as fast as we want. Stop. This impression is brought to you by Express VP. That's another guy.

Use code Ben for 50% off. I much prefer Jordan Peterson to Ben Shapiro. I don't like him. I like some of what he says, but he... I listen to Ben Shapiro more than I'd like to admit, just because he covers a lot of ground very quickly. I got to ride in. Really quick.

Yeah, I like that he's concise. I don't like him either. Appalling. You just hate juice. Just admit you hate Jews. On some issues, he's appalling. He's appalling. But you don't get... How much

have you listened to him? Enough to know that he makes me sick. You've listened to one of his ad reads. No! All his stuff about gay people and trans is so hateful and disgusting. He gave a very, very impassioned defense of America's

defense of Ukraine the other day on this show that I thought was the best pro, the best rendition of that argument that I had heard or read anywhere. He was very good.

He can be very good. He's very smart. Nobody's saying he's not smart or that that's not good. I just think that those other things make it really difficult to swallow. That's not enough of a reason for me not to listen to something.

Okay, I think for 2023, we need to really up our social media presence. I'm hiring a clip person for the Comedy Cellar in general. Will that apply to this podcast? How do you get the tapes on these shows? You ask Liz? Which shows? You ask Liz.

Well, you have to work here for like two years first. Okay. You ask Liz. But your tapes? Yeah, can I ask? Is it too soon to ask for tapes? No, I'm kidding. Some people are like, don't ask for the tapes.

The same idiots that told you you'd never work here again. Everyone's got different rules. If you knew the different rules people come up with, I'm like, what the fuck? That's ridiculous. The only reason we do the tapes

is because people are like, don't drink tea at the Medul Street place. You'll get fired. I'm like, what the fuck? You can actually, in the underground, you can just tell the engineer, can you record my set?

And he can actually record it for you and email it to you right then. Oh, that's amazing. But if you don't tell him prior to going on, you can tell Liz and they have to edit it out. But six months ago, I put in a new computer there, which is supposed to simply be able to make ad hoc recordings of comedians just if the comedian asks the engineer. Okay. He can press record right before you go on, stop the file right when you get off.

And we have very high-speed internet here. We have the same stealth internet. It's like one gigabyte up and down. So we can email very large files or you can obviously use a Google Drive or whatever, but very high speed. Oh, amazing. By the way, normally it will come with a time stamp. I always ask for no time stamp, if you please. You may not

care about the time stamp. Oh, sure. I don't like the time stamp. I don't know how big a difference it makes in terms of whether it goes viral or not. I don't know. It doesn't matter. The time stamp is there for security because I like to keep track of... If for some reason some file in an unauthorized way got somewhere that the comedian didn't want, I want the timestamp on it unless the comedian is ready to take the risk.

Not that it's ever happened because I want to be able to trace it down to exactly when that file was given out and who it was given out to so then we can actually maybe that file was given out and who was given out to. So then we can actually maybe go back and find out how exactly it got out. Okay. Smart. Okay. I want to call a meeting of the three of us before we proceed into 2023. Can we record it for a podcast? Yeah, we can.

But also, don't you think you should have told us that you're getting a clip person for the podcast? He's getting a clip person in general. For the comedy seller. But he said also it applies to us. The truth of the matter is the hardest part about getting the clip is finding a good clip. The actual cutting and editing I can do, and it's not that tough. What's tough is sitting through the podcast and figuring out how to get a 30-second clip. Because sometimes somebody will say something funny that references something

that happened 20 minutes ago. Wouldn't be good for a clip. No, but sometimes a clip, you know, so that's the hardest part is finding the clip. But the way the good ones do it also, they'll,

they'll cut space. They'll, they'll speed it up and they'll do it in a way that has timing and they'll caption it. And sometimes they'll even caption it in a way to enhance the job, bigger, bigger fonts, smaller fonts, colors, whatever it is. in a way to enhance the joke. Bigger fonts, smaller fonts, colors, whatever it is. In a way that I couldn't do. I still say the hardest part is finding a good clip.

With you, but some people... No, I don't think that's true. I think you overthink it. And you know who's actually amazing at this? No. Well, she's sitting right fucking behind me. She costs money. She's not cheap. Noam's hiring somebody that he's paying for him anyway. Full time. It's going to be a full time.

So it doesn't cost extra to have them do it for us. No, but wait. You guys are like. Yeah, we will provide it for you if you want it. We'll caption it for you. I love it, baby. I love it. So there's your answer to your question, Tyler.

Your special is called. The New Normal. Or The New Normal. No, I haven't hired the person yet. Maybe Nicole wants this job. I was presuming Nicole would love the work. Okay, well, you can talk about that with Nicole, but I'm trying to wrap things up with a nice bow, you know?

Yeah, now it feels like a pity job, so I don't know if I want it. No, it's not a pity job at all. Everybody likes you here, Nicole. You do good work. No, it just occurred to me as we're saying this, like, why didn't anybody consider Nicole? Because you're kind of like outside my... I don't even know who you work for. Do you work for me?

Um, in this case, yes, I do. Anyway. Okay. So I feel like I should pay you to, uh, who should I pay? What was the name of that special again? The new normal. The new normal is on YouTube. Of course.

Yeah. And, uh, you'll be discussing, are there any, one or two topics to whet our appetite of particular interest On the special Trans surgery for kids Are you really? My dad being gay And how homophobia is the reason why I'm alive

Okay, that's interesting You've whetted my appetite Yeah Some other Trump and Biden impressions Trump and Biden impressions. Trump and Biden impressions and why homophobia saved Tyler Fisher's life. Gave me life. Pardon?

Gave me life. Gave him life. Podcast at ComedySally.com. I mean, you know, Noam brought up becoming, you know, what he wants to do in 2023 in terms of ignoring me or trying to somehow, you know, not consider me, which is fine. If you agree with that, let us know. If you disagree. Is that the way?

Is that really how you're going to characterize what I said? Well, no, just say like, I'm looking at the bubble above Dan's head and I got to ignore that. I'm not going to let you push me around. I'm not going to rush through my interviews anymore. If you agree that that would be a good thing for the podcast, please let us know. We ask you this all the fucking time. You don't write in. Let us know what we can do

to improve the podcast. If you want me out, I'll leave. Let me know. I'd be happy to... And Tyler can slide in. Slide right in. I could do it as Bill Burr sometime. Whatever the fuck you want.

That's a good Burr. That's a good Burr. That's a good Burr. Fucking brutal. Oh, that's a good Burr. That is a good Burr. And what's even better is I've never heard anyone do... In all candor, I've heard people doing... Voss. No, Jordan and... Is that the other one you did tonight? Ben.

Kyle Dunnigan does both of those. You must know Kyle. I don't know him personally. But I've never heard a burr. Yeah, yeah. And that's a good fucking burr. And it's a unique impression that I've never heard before. And he'd be perfect.

What would... You know, I mean... Can you do a Natterman? Maybe nobody even knows. Can you do another impression that nobody does? Or virtually nobody does? Nobody.

We got to wrap it up. Okay, fine. Bye, bye, bye.