The Commercial Break - Breaking Bad Bread Without Tom Papa!

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

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On this episode of the commercial break. Anyway, go and make comments on the road. Don't be mean. Don't be like, you know, Tony's a fucking shithead. Don't say stuff like that. Just be like, what about Tom Papa?

Yeah, let's just bring up Tom. Yeah, and they say, I'm never eating Tony's bread. Not breaking bread with me, Tony. If you come here with your 60 cameras and tens of thousands of dollars or the promotional dollars for my podcast, you won't be sitting and having bread with me. Quick cut to me and Tony. I love your show.

What an original idea. I'm so happy I'm a guest. Tom, who? He had something similar? What? Had no idea. Had the guy on twice. Totally forgot the name of his podcast.

The next episode of the commercial break starts now. Oh, yeah, cats and kittens. Welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Green. This is my dear friend and the co-host of this show. Chris and Joy Holtley. Best to you, Chrissy. Best to you, Brian.

Best to you out there in the podcast. Podcast Universe, calling all commercial breakers, calling all my TCB fans, we have a chore. We've got a project. We've got a cause to get behind. I'm about to explain, listen up carefully, because here's what you're going to do on behalf of the commercial break and friends of the commercial break. We, of course, love, no, love, adore our good friend. And by good friend, I mean someone who agreed to show up more than once and suffer our abuse. Tom Papa.

The Papa. Tom Papa has been on the show twice. He's invited us to shows. He's been a gracious friend of TCB. I think he's even run some ads for us saying what a okay show we are. What a fine show we are. Yeah, it's fine. After my podcast, I don't care what you do.

I don't care what you do. And this is one of the things, one of the millions of things you could do. I'm not saying it's better than the other things. I'm just saying it's a thing you could do. Yes, it's Tom Papa. And he has a very popular podcast where he interviews in-depth a celebrity each time, breaking bread with them. And he calls his podcast Breaking Bread.

He has a whole brand around breaking bread. He's cooking bread. He's making bread. He's giving bread on a restaurant table to his celebrity friends. And who doesn't love bread? Who doesn't love bread? He's got a really good idea here. and he puts his money where his mouth is, so to speak,

and actually makes the bread himself. Now, CNN, Time Warner, and their infinite fucking wisdom, have created a show called Breaking Bread. What? And Breaking Bread is starring the guy, Tony Shalhoub, who is Monk, if you remember. Monk and the Marvelous Mrs. Mabel and Shalom, Shalob. No matter how you say his last name They made a show

Taking basically Tom's premise And putting it out there in the world He's going to go visit around his friends And his New York And he's going to break bread with them And he's going to bring bread And he's all going to be about the bread They stole

Fucking Tom's idea Twisted it just a little bit Taking it outside of a studio And putting it out in the real world Gave it the same name With a different celebrity that we don't like as much because we don't know. Yeah.

And I am pissed about this. And I don't know how Tom feels. I saw a reel. And I don't think he feels great about it. Let's put it that way. But you know, Tom, he's not going to go nuclear. Scorched Earth. Yeah.

We have zero chance of ever having a show with Time Warner. So we'll go Scorched Earth on your behalf. Tom might have, there might be some, you know, recompense down the line for this guy. I would have much rather seen Tom do this. Well, yeah. Why didn't they approach Tom and say, Tom, use your personality, your wit and your charm, along with all of your celebrity connections. And your breadmaking skills. And your bread making skills.

Make some bread. Take it out to the world. Travel around, visit different places, sit down with somebody and break bread, even the common, the everyday folk. This is a reason to be upset. And this is the reason why Hollywood has such a terrible fucking name for itself. Hollywood and entertainment and infotainment and all this other stuff is because everybody steals everybody else's shit and makes millions off of it and gives zero credit to the person who actually did it. Now, I'm not saying that, you know, sitting down with someone and having a meal

or breaking bread as a particularly original idea has been going on for hundreds of thousands of years. But what I am saying is that Tom has been doing this podcast for multiple years, I think, as long as we have. Yeah. And so now it's a well, worn idea that is original to Tom. Give Tom the credit. Give Tom the chance. I don't know, because I haven't talked to him about this, but I can almost guarantee that Tom would have loved to have a television show on CNN where he traveled around the world, bringing his bread and breaking bread with people. So I don't have anything against Tony. I don't know him. But

therefore, I don't know him. He's not a friend of our show. I know Tom. I've spent at least 90 full minutes with him, and he's my best friend. I've had girlfriends that I've known less time. I will tell you right now that we as the commercial break audience and lovers of Tom Papa and supporters of Breaking Bread need to go and immediately listen to his show, download, show the world that the more people love Breaking Bread, the audio podcast or the YouTube show, then love the CNN show. and then I think we should all start commenting on posts for the actual CNN show, Breaking Bread. What about Papa? What about Papa? Where's Tom Papa? Tony, fine. Can't Tony have a show Monk This Way or something like that? Monkeying around?

It's still... Monkey bread? Yes. Which is sticky and sweet, I think. Monkey bread? Good one, Chrissy. Monk and me, I don't know, something. There's some play on words there. Listen, it's also not particularly original to travel around the world, tasting the foods of the culture. No, that's been done so much.

But I enjoy all the shows. That's been done by one person and one person only in a way that will never be done again, Anthony fucking Bourdain. The saint, the patron saint of docu series is Anthony. Bourdain. Travel food, food, food, travel, food, travel, food, food, people, humans, cultures, culture, anything. I don't care what it is, music. He did it all.

Anthony Bourdain was the best that ever lived, and I'm not sure there will ever be another one like him, because he was so fucking real. I was. That's it. He was real. He was a guy who lived a million lives before he showed up on TV, and when he showed up on TV, he brought all zeros to that television program every single time. There's not an episode of any of his television shows that I have watched that I don't love.

No. I love him all. I love everything that Anthony Bourdain ever did on TV. I just love it. Even the layover show, which I wasn't my favorite of all of them. Yes. But that was still really good. I don't care.

Yeah, I didn't care because it was Anthony Bourdain. We're going to spend a day with somebody. Let's spend a day with Anthony Bordane. I mean, what a fucking body of work that guy put together, gone too soon. So it's not particularly original what they're doing with this Tony Habalube, but I will tell you this right now. Calling it breaking bread is an affront to Tom Papa and then putting the bread in there as the like lynchpin of the show is an affront to Tom Papa.

How is that not purposeful? Of course it is. Yeah. I'd love to talk to Tom about this. I know he won't do that because he's... He's classy. Because he's lived a lot longer in the entertainment industry than we have, if we're even in the entertainment industry.

I think a lot of people would argue that. Yeah, the fringes of the entertainment, the not... How about the non-entertainment industry? Entertainment minus. Yes, entertainment minded. The non-intertainment industry. Could be entertainment if it was entertaining. Right.

But how could you not, as a CNN executive, or a content-corner, or a showrunner, how could you not know about breaking bread? Yeah, about the time this actually got to production. Correct. It was announced about a year ago, excuse me, about six months ago, back in May. So it'd probably been in production for at least a year, right? That's bantering around the idea, figuring out where they're going to go. They probably have canned episodes already by May when they make the first announcement or give the first look. They know that he has this show because they've fucking Googled it at the very least.

But then there's at least 12 people at CNN who are like, wait, doesn't Tom Papa have a show called Breaking Bread? Should we talk to him? Tom's interesting. He gets good guests and has great in-depth conversation with him. Oh, yeah. I love him. I love Tom, and I love his show Breaking Bread. I think it's really good.

You know, Caratop has not been my favorite person throughout history. He's just not. No. I wasn't a friend of his comedy. I thought it was very gimmicky and, you know, Gallagher. and Gallagher, fine. It was funny for the first two times you saw it, and then you knew exactly where he was going to go with it.

So Caratop was not my favorite. But Caratop has started popping up again, all around. Has he? Well, I guess he's ripped as ever. He is fucking buff. Why is he so great? And he's got permanent eyeliner on. I don't know why.

And he's got his hairs all, you know, in weird combinations of ponytails and barrettes and all this other stuff. And sometimes he wears makeup. And, okay. Caratop is Caratop, right? I don't think we expect anything normal out of Caratop. That's his whole schick. That's who he is.

I don't even think it's a schick. I actually think it's just who Caratop is. But along with being a very strange-looking human being, he just wasn't ever the funniest human being to me. But apparently Caratop has always been there. He's been in Vegas doing his thing. He's been around for forever. Yeah.

He never went away. He just wasn't in the ethos. Let's put it that way. He wasn't in the lexicon of pop culture for a long time. But all of the sudden, over the last year or so, I've started to see him pop up on podcasts that everybody knows. Bad friends, Breaking Bread, Joe Rogan. Yeah, he was on Breaking Bread. And Bert Cast and all these other places.

And I will tell you what, he went on Breaking Bread. And though I'm still not going to be turning on Carrotop comedy anytime soon, I thought to myself, this is a much more interesting character than I ever knew. He has run into some of the most. He's lived. Tom Papa got it out of him. Tom Papa got some really. interesting stories out of him. He's lived a lot of life. He's met a lot of people. He's bumped into some of the most famous comedians and entertainers on Earth. Yeah. He'll be out in Vegas for as long as

he has, 20 years at least. 30. Yeah. 35. But Tom Papa had a way with him that was gentle and relaxed and he got Carrot Top to sit there and open up. And I really appreciated that conversation. No other person on Earth, I do believe, could make Carrot Top as interesting to me as Tom did. And so, listen, I'm, I'm, I know that this is the way the world works. Tough Titty said the kitty, you know, I got here first kind of bullshit. But Tom Papa, first of all, where's agent? Isn't Tom's agent like protecting the IP and shit like that? Yeah, I mean, who knows if they trademarked it or whatever. I think it would be hard to trademark, but breaking bread. You can't trademark to commercial break either. I tried. It's too common. You can, I can copyright everything,

but trademarking, like getting an actual trademark. the patent office was like, yeah, that's a pretty common term, the commercial break. So I say all this to say that we as the audience who love and support our Tompapa, we should go and love and support our Tom Papa. Rise up. Rise up, my friend. If there's one thing in the world right now that we should be upset about, it's CNN's Breaking Bread with, with whatever his name is, Tony Halubi.

Yeah. Halubi? Hilooby? I don't know. I don't know. Sometimes those Jewish names get me. Somebody somewhere is... Tony Shalube.

Yeah, I thought it was Shalom, but I guess it's Shalub. Yeah. He was good, and I like him on the shows, but... I mean, I never really watched Munk too much, but... I'm Tony Shalore. This is a show about bread. Welcome. And people.

Oh. And how cow-worse combination... of flour and water brings together. I've heard enough. I've heard enough. It's Tom Papa's show. Yeah. It's Tom Papa's show.

Okay, you're going to go talk to the Everyday Joe. I'm sure you're going to have celebrities in there, too. Tom could talk to the Everyday Joe? You could do that. How many people are... Maybe we don't know. Maybe they approached Tom and he said, I'm not interested. If I'm reading the reel that he put out correctly, it seems like Tom...

Did not. Did not know. Was not a... approach was not part of it, had no idea. Yeah, you got to give, you got to give, kiss the ring. You got to kiss the, that's right. Okay, maybe you say, hey, listen, Tom, Tony's all wrapped up in this idea. You mind if we use the name, right? Is it okay? Do we have your blessing? And Tom says, eh, you know, run $200,000 worth of free commercials for breaking bread the podcast and we'll call it even. Or have Tony show up at my chair first. Right. Right. And we'll break bread together and I can

promote the podcast, and then there you go, right? Or make it a sister podcast. Whatever the fuck. You get it. God damn, CNN. I'm really upset with you, CNN, Time Warner. Not that I've ever been happy with you, but I'm really upset with you about this one because it feels personal to me. Anyway, go and make comments on the real.

Don't be mean. Don't be like, you know, Tony's a fucking shit head. Don't say stuff like that. Just be like, what about Tom Papa? Yeah. Let's just bring up Tom. Yeah. And they say, I'm never eating Tony's bread.

not breaking bread with me tony if you come here with your 60 cameras and tens of thousands of dollars worth of promotional dollars for my podcast you won't be sitting and having bread with me quick cut to me and tony i love your show what an original idea i'm so happy i'm a guest tom who he had something similar what had no idea had the guy on twice Totally forgot the name of his podcast. To be fair, I was doing 12 episodes that day. Who can remember? Who can remember?

Oh, God, I do love Tom Papa. Yeah, he's so great. He is a good one. God bless Tom Papa. I hope this all, I hope this falls in your, I hope somehow the tree falls in your direction. Or you're getting a kick back somehow. Yeah. You know, CNN all of a sudden turns into, like, I know,

they've always had a history with travel and food shows, but now they've got that... Well, Anthony Bourdain was on CNN, I think, to start. He was on Travel Channel. First, then went to CNN. Yeah, and then he was on Food Network for a minute. He had something on Food Network. But then he famously hated Food Network for a lot of different reasons. You know, he really disliked that, you know, what's his name with the hair?

Oh, Thierry? What's that? Guy Fierry. He hated Guy Fierry. Those two are not friendly with each other. He thought that was the biggest joke in television history. And, you know, we've said this many times. Like, Guy Fierry, he gets a lot of hate, including from us here at the show.

I mean, we make fun of him, like his him at the rage against the machine show, which just seemed counterintuitive to me. But okay. But the truth is, there's a lot of people who says he has done a lot of good. Yeah, that's right. You know, then I've heard he's got certain peculiars about certain lifestyles. He doesn't like, you know, certain people with certain lifestyles and stuff like that. And it's like, oh, come on, guy, you know. The bleach got to your head.

Take it to Flavortown, but take it. You're the one with all the flavors. Can't people also have flavors, right? Can't people also have flavors? I went past by. I remember it was Thanksgiving Day. And you know, on Thanksgiving Day, the Kroger's open from like, nine to 11. You know, the grocery stores are open for like an hour. And everybody goes there.

So it's wild at the Kroger. It's just like everybody there. And I'm looking for a particular thing that Asser has sent me to go get. And I got stuck, lost kind of for like a good 20 minutes in the condomin aisle because Ky Fieri's Flavor Town sauces were there. And I was, I knew there was a reel in there somewhere, like something funny for social media. I just couldn't figure out what it was. I was taking pictures and videos of the Flavortown sauces at all different angles and me going like this with the Flavortown sauce or the Flavortown sauce, throwing it up all your time at the Kroger? No, I broke one of them.

Clean up on my online. Indeed, yeah. Well, they were plastic bottles, but what happened was I threw it up and meant to catch it on the video and it just went like this and the top just like. Oh. Yeah, it just popped. And went everywhere? It spilled out everywhere.

And there was like a guy. I think it was like spicy ranch or something. Of course. They're all ranch based. You know what I'm saying? It's like spicy ranch, lemon pepper ranch, sweet and sour ranch, jolly ranch or ranch. Jolly ranch or ranch? Cool, ranch, ranch.

It's all ranch based because that's all people eat these days. Ranch dressing, you know, it's a certain flavor for a certain amount. I love ranch dressing, don't get me wrong. But I know some people who are just like, ranch dressing is their catch-up. And they're like, let me get some rants with that rant. Sounds so stupid. And so there's a guy at the end of the aisle. Yeah, he saw it.

Filling up the bread or whatever, you know. Oh, he was a stock. Yeah. And he was like, he looks at me. And he had been watching me for 20 minutes. And he just goes, don't worry about it. Yeah, I got it. Gotcha. Don't worry about it. Yeah. So I left with sweet and sour ranch on my shirt.

Spilling of ranch. On my phone, on my glasses. I wish there had been a video of that. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. Well, then at the end, I decided that I just wasn't, it wasn't that funny. So I put a picture of it. And I put like, he has risen. Oh, no, it wasn't, it wasn't Thanksgiving. It was Easter. It was Easter. Oh, that's funny.

Easter day. Yeah, and I'm in there, and there's three hours on, you know. Juggling. Juggling. Yeah, juggling Rangling Flavortown. Juggling six different flavors of Flavortown Ranch. All right. Well, go listen to Tompapa's Breaking Bread and give them hell, kids.

Give CNN's version hell. let's get tom the rightful credit he deserves i bet if enough of us go there and start pissing and moan and tom will get a million dollars yes or it'll never be on senate it'll never be on cnnon again one of those two things will happen all right i'm going to give you an update on the howard stern draw oh i saw a little tidbit yeah i know it's a week late as this is airing but you heard of here last and we'll talk about it we'll be back voice of God here on TCB. And just like you, I'm wondering just how much longer this podcast can continue. Let's all rejoice that another episode has made it to your ears, and I'll rejoice that

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Be sure to follow and listen to Simpsons Declassified wherever you get your podcasts. All right, so it turns out that Howard Stern was punking the media all along, or at least he was not doing anything to assage any concerns. He was fueling the fire of the PR. You thought that was one of the options. I did believe that was probably going on, but he returned on the eighth. Thanks, Blue. Keep it going. Yep, keep barking. That helps the show out. Thank you.

Blue and yet another episode of the commercial. break. He was stoking the PR fire that was going on by the rumor mill. The rumor mill was that Stern was done. He was never going to be able to be paid the same amount of money that Sirius was going to let him go, that he was washed up. The numbers were low. And he was in a fight with Alex Cooper. He was in a fight with Andy Cohen. He was in a fight with everybody over at Sirius. And I had explained that this is a well-worn path for Stern. Once it comes around a contract negotiation time, he starts deciding he's going to leave he starts deciding he's unhappy he starts deciding they're not treating him well and that's just a contract negotiation opportunity yeah of course it is um and only stern has that kind of

well can pull it off yeah because he knows he's a hot commodity yeah and after 50 years in the business or whatever it is he also understands the ebb and flow the the breath like the breathing rhythm of entertainment is that sometimes you're hot, sometimes you're not. He's been there long enough to understand that it's cyclical. And by poking at the people who he's negotiating with, he can let his agent do the talking, but he can threaten to walking, right? So, okay. So he's supposed to come back on September 2nd, on my birthday, Tuesday after Labor Day. And on that morning, early that morning, they scratch out on the promotion where, on like the promotional reel, where it says, you know, Find out what all the fuss is about. Will Howard be back? Find out September 2nd. They scratch it out and they put September 8. So essentially he doesn't show up to the studio. And he sends an email to the staff. The staff then purposefully start dropping all kind of drama into the media, probably at his request, right? Tell him, I'm unhappy. Tell him the contract negotiations are going poorly. Tell him I need to retire. Tell them this. And all of a sudden from every different news outlet in entertainment has a different.

story. And he's stoking the fire. He's generating interest. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of articles about why Howard didn't come back. Well, it turns out he didn't come back because he had the back to school flu like I did on the very same week. Yeah, well, there was some kind of medical thing that was cited, right? Yeah, he was sick, right? He was sick. He got a cold and he couldn't talk. You know, just like happened to me a couple weeks ago, you get that sinusy bullshit and your voice sounds disconcerting to say the least. But he claims he barely could even talk, which, for a day I couldn't either. And so September 8th comes 6 o'clock in the morning, show's supposed to start,

and Howard does not appear. Andy Cohen appears. Oh, really? And Andy Cohen spends the first eight minutes between 6 and 608, spends eight minutes explaining that Sirius and Andy didn't want it to happen this way, but Howard decided it was best. Howard and Sirius decided it was best just for him not to return, and that Andy would be taking over the stuff.

and he said, you know, I was wanted to sit in this chair. I just didn't want it to happen this way. Howard, I hope someday we could be friends again, you know, blah, blah, blah. Andy even had his co-host of his show in there, so it made it give it more realistic. And then like five or six entertainment outlets, like the Hollywood Reporter and New York Post and a couple other places quickly started to report that Howard had left serious. Yeah, yeah. But eight minutes in, Andy's in the middle of talking, and then all of the sudden the Howard Stern intro music plays, as if like an episode of the commercial break, you know, the music starts. The music started and Howard was back and he explained everything that had been going on,

which was, I was sick, that's why I had to take the week off. I love it here. I was going to retire. I believe I'm staying. We're working it out. We're figuring it out. So there's been no like signature put on a contract yet, but it sure does sound like from what I listen to that, for all tense and purposes, Howard is staying. And they're going to figure out a way to get him to stay. which makes a lot of sense. Listen, I thought one of the options could be that Howard would just go do a podcast because even with, you know, some people are saying that he went from 20 million listeners to 200,000 listeners or 100,000 listeners a day.

I find that extremely hard to believe. I think it's probably still in the millions. You know, maybe it's not 20 million, but I bet it's two or three million. If you had two or three million people downloading your podcast every time you put out an episode, you would be making hand over fist cash every year. No doubt about it. I think you would probably make $60 or $70 million a year. Just selling a – and he does a four-hour show.

Yeah, no. And at least right now, he does it three days a week. So if he even kept up that – even that tempo, he'd probably make more like $100 million a year, just on ad revenue. That's it, right? Just on regular ad revenue. And he gets much more because if he reads a commercial, then there's like a $15,000 fee.

If I read a commercial, $300 fee. If he reads a commercial, $30,000 fee. Right. It's huge just for 60 seconds of talk. So this is all to say that Howard is a master media manipulator. He's been doing this for so long. And people are like, oh, he just did it so he get the ratings when he came back. Yeah, no fucking shit, Sherlock.

Yeah, that's how it works. You dumb shit. You talk like that's some bad thing. He did it. You got him. you're talking about him he got it he got you he got you to talk about him that's all he cares about and during a contract negotiation that's all he cares about he i can promise you howard stern has made just that serious has made about a billion and a half dollars just being

it serious and then he he has probably another half a billion in stock he's a billionaire Yeah. I went by his house in Palm Beach. I drove by it. I stopped. I parked on a street. I walked by it. I saw Beth on a bike, his wife, on a bike. I will tell you right now, that guy don't give a fuck. If 20 million people are listening or 100,000 people are listening, my bruises ego a little bit, but he didn't give a fuck. He doesn't need the money. He does this because he loves the sport. It's for the love of the game that Howard continues to do this. He invented. Basically what we're doing right now. Long format talk radio. Long format comedy chat cast type radio, podcasting, Vodcasting, all this shit. All of us are just imitators of what he did originally. And so we all owe him a little bit of debt of gratitude. Whether you like his politics or not or what do you think he got soft or not. Listen, I got to say this. I'm not defending Howard's the days when Howard was bringing in strippers to ride the Sibbian and having, you know, ugly tit contests and all this other stuff. It sure does look bad now. It didn't age well. Let's put it that way. But it was a different, things were different back then.

Everything eventually will be cancelable. Like Pat and Oswald said, someday you got to be careful when you start getting high on your horse about the cancel culture. Because eventually you'll say something that'll be cancelable. someday you might be in the future this is Patton's joke someday in the future you know people might be like oh Patton you've always been woke

and you've always been you know liberal and you're always you know fighting for the good fight and equality and all this and then Patton says yeah and what do you think about you know people who fuck AI robots ah fuck AI right fuck robot fuckers you know that's so stupid

why would you do that and then 10 years later all of a sudden we have feelings for the robots and we should have treated them better, right? They needed equality, too. Some things are pretty obvious, like females and people who don't, you know, people who love who they want to love and all that other stuff. But some things, other things at the time, it might just seem like you're just going with the flow. I'm not defending any of that. But can you fault somebody for maturing along the way?

Can you fault somebody? No, I think it's needed. Yeah. Can you fault somebody for deciding that? I applaud that. Agreed. Can you fall somebody for, like, deciding that having a, like a pommel horse with a vibrator on it in the middle of your studio and trying to encourage all your guests to ride it nude is maybe not something you want to do anymore because you have daughters or you know women? I mean, he matured.

He got, he just, he decided that this, he needed to evolve. Yeah, you have to. Because if he was still doing that stuff today, he would have an audience. No doubt about it. He would have an audience. But maybe that's not the audience he wanted. Maybe that's not what he wanted to talk about anymore. Maybe he decided that what he did back then just wasn't acceptable and he's realized it.

And so he's moved on. So you can hate on Howard for his politics. You know, that seems to be the sport of the day, hate on each other for politics. But I don't hate on him for evolving. I just don't. Yeah. And he's still one of the most interesting interviewers around. He's really good.

Yes. You look at Bill Maher interviewing Billy Joel. and then you look at Howard Stern interviewing Billy Joel. I'll take Howard every day of the week. Bill Maher looked like a, I don't know. I didn't even watch that. Such a goober. Yeah.

Like, such a goober. He's not my favorite. I like Bill. But I've never been like a huge fan like I had to watch the show. I've tried a few times. It's just not my thing. I think that Bill can come off a little smarmy. You know what I'm saying?

He feels a little. Oh, arrogant. I get the arrogance. Yeah. I don't think he said the love of a woman for a long time. He's like kind of like a, or a man, like a long term relationship to soften him up a little bit. So I think he always, he's like, he's like, he's like the bachelor at 62 years old. You know what I'm saying? He's like, I don't know. He's like a mix of Lee Ayacocca and who's that guy who ran. Lee Ayacocca, that like, you know, bastard. The guy who ran G.E. for a long time. You remember that guy? Yeah. Yeah. And.

Leia coca and Hugh Hefter. He's like a mix of those, too. But he's like a little charmy, a little bit. But I think Bill is whip smart. I think he's right about a lot of stuff. I think he calls it out like he sees it. But I think it was, maybe it was Mark Marin who said this, and I agreed with it.

I thought it was a good way to put it. And sometimes I feel like, Bill is trying a little too hard to be relevant, right? And so therefore, he, like, jumps into the fray and pushes buttons when maybe that's just not... Maybe that's not necessary. He can make a point without sometimes going there.

But I like Bill. I mean, but then again, I will say, I have watched lots of episodes of Bill's show where I'm highly entertained. It's mainly by the guests, but I'm highly entertained. And I will say this about Bill, too. I don't agree with him going and having dinner with Trump.

I think that was a dumb fucking thing to do. I don't think you give any air to that situation whatsoever. But on his show, he does not shy away from inviting opposing voices. No, that's his whole show, right? That's his whole schick. Well, it's not his whole schick. But, you know, a lot of times he has people on that agree with him. But he invites people that don't agree with him.

And I think that there is. more of that needed. What I don't agree with is going and kissing the ring. I just don't think you do that. That part I don't agree with it. You know what I'm saying? He should have had Trump on the show. If he would have had Trump on the show, then

like, you know, and Ben as confrontational as he gets with some of those people. Well, and who was it that set it up? Kid Rock. Yeah, fucking Kid Rock. I mean, come on, guys. Can we all just like, shh, just like, tell each other a secret? Kid Rock sucks. He always has. Okay. All right. Ba-Wida-Baw-a-Baw-a-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-Diddy-Diddy. Okay, cool. Garbage. Gobly-Gook. Got it. Yeah, I liked him back in the day. Maybe not him as a person, but I liked the music back in the day. But that quickly wore off and then now look where we're at with him.

He has turned into just a weird dude. Like, just Yeah. He's like an old man. You know, he's like your neighbor that, like, you know, does weird stuff with a shirt off. Do you know what I'm saying? You know? Yeah. Like, he drinks beer and smokes cigarettes and he's telling you about UFOs.

Kind of like Brian, his shirt off and a beer in a cowboy hat. And he tells you about that girly one time fucked and, you know, wants to come to the Halloween party for the kids, but you don't want to invite him because you're afraid. You know, he's like that guy. He's just a little weird. He's like the outer spacey dude. Yeah. And he's, every time I, and I don't see Kid Rock showing up anywhere, except for like, you know, charity events in Iowa or something like that. I saw him show up with him.

He was at like a, he went to a Nashville bar. Well, yeah. I think he owns a Nashville ball. I think so, too. But he was at some Nashville bar. I'm not sure it was his or what it was. But he goes out there and he starts, you know, singing his bow. And no one's singing along with him.

So he throws down the microphone. Oh, yeah. Fuck you. I'm out of it. I mean, come on, man. Listen, it got a little old. People don't want to sing it with you anymore. It's okay.

Come up with a new song that doesn't have to do with, you know, shooting Bud Light Cans in the backyard. What was that one song that we actually played on the show? Oh, it was. It was like America. It was so bad. It was really bad. America so cool. What was that song?

It was terrible. It was awful. Yeah. I mean, I don't. It was about masks and stuff, something like that. Yeah. It was in the heyday of Corona. It was in the heyday of Korea.

You're right about that. Here's Kid Rock. The lyrics were terrible. The Wichita experience. Don't tell me how to live. That's right. Don't tell me how to live. Yeah.

Yeah, it's terrible for me. Buy with a bang to bang, diggy, diggy. Same song. Yeah. You've been singing the same song for a long time. And the other songs that he has are like covers of other people's songs. Do you know what I'm saying? I know.

I know. I don't want to shit on everything that people who vote for a certain ideology. Like, there's lots of stuff that I like that they like, right? But Kid Rock is not one of them. It's just not one of them. I'm sorry. It's not my thing. And, you know, you got to hang up the fur at some point.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Remember how angry he got a Bud Light? Like, Butt Buttigliners. Transcans. Shoot him up in my backyard. Transcans. And then, like, six months later, he's in a Bud Light commercial.

Yeah. Like, no balls whatsoever. Pay for play, bullshit. I mean, he never cared in a phone. first place. He jumped on the bandwagon and fuck that bullshit. Fuck that bullshit. Sorry I sent you off on a tangent about Kid Rock, but can we please for a minute discuss the revealing the revelation that I sent you earlier today about a brand new Broadway musical that's coming to town. Oh my God. Can we please?

Can we please? While we're on the subject of washed up has-beens. While you're listening to a show from a bunch of washed-up has-beens. Let's talk about the washed-up of washed-up has-beens. And I can't believe we're still talking about this guy. No. But here we are. Five years later, still in the lexicon, still trying to make a name for himself. Peter, Billy fucking McFarland, or whatever his name is. Is Billy McFarland, right? Yeah. Billy McFarland of Firefest fame or infamous. infamy. I cannot believe.

Well, because he sold the IP, right? He sold the IP. Okay, so he sold the IP. For like $153,000 or something. Yeah, and then, I know, I sent that to you. Let's see. Oh, here it is. Fire.

Yeah, yeah, it was in the Hollywood Reporter. But, yeah, musical and development with Taika Watiggy. Tika Watigee. That's Taika Watiggy. Why would anybody want to watch a musical? About Firefest? Yes, why. The final bidding price on eBay.

He sold it on eBay. He sold his company IP on eBay. He wanted to be the highest auction, like the most expensive auction ever in eBay history. And he sold for a mind-blowing, $243,000 and $245,300. Oh, my God. Yes. So it looks like it's about his life. Oh.

But who can't? Why do we care? I don't. And I don't want to watch a musical. Yes. And what is the IP that we are selling? Failed music festivals? He never even, there's no recordings of the festival because it didn't happen.

He claims the claims now. He, you know, defrauded people out of money. Exactly. But I still don't think has been paid back yet to the people on that island. No. And, okay, let's take a break. And I want to talk more about this. The musical. Yes. But also, the thing, the thing that people paid for when they spent $245,000 on the IP, the thing that they paid for was all of the footage from the six camera people that were running around him for the year that he was trying to put together Fire Fest, too. But in my mind, it wasn't even a year. It was like three months.

He announced it. It was going to happen. I kept getting pushed back. It never happened. He didn't even bother to show up to any of the meetings because legally he couldn't. I know. But this last weekend, as you're listening to this, he put on his very first pop-up hotel down in the, down in some island on Honduras. Udica or Uchah or something like that.

A pop-up hotel at a resort. The resort already exists. I mean, honestly, I know that the pop-up everything is very famous and people love their pop-up restaurants and all of a sudden. That's about the only thing it truly works with them. But I'm not even sure it works there. It's already a restaurant, right? You're just having a new chef make a new menu. Why don't we just call it a pop-up menu?

It just popped up today and it's gone tomorrow. The reality is you can't have a pop-up hotel in a hotel that already exists. And by all accounts, meaning social media, that Billy put out, you know, the best version of everything that happened, what happened was one party with 15 people in attendance in a shack in the side of the resort where one old white guy dressed like Kid Rock was dancing to a DJ who literally brought his sonos and plugged it in. Oh, and then there were the two apparently bikini models that came with. and took lots of footage of themselves in bikinis, yes. He is such... Is he there?

He was. I don't know how he got down there. I thought he was legally, like, obligated to stay in New York because of his ankle monitor. But I don't know, maybe he got special permission. I'm not sure. But I'll share this with you. Never have I seen anyone try so fucking hard. I mean, honestly, I think Billy might be autistic.

If you ask me, I just don't think he's understanding how bad this looks because you should see his reels. He just doesn't care. He just doesn't care that he looks like such an idiot. But, okay, let's take a break and we'll talk more about Billy. It's party. Let me do something Brian has never done. Be brief. Follow us on Instagram at the commercial break.

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or go to explorevolvo.com. Rita Ora is going to attach her name to this? Yeah, I saw that. Okay. All right, back to the pop-up hotel. All right, here he is. Here he is. Listen to this. Oh, wait. Come on.

Fire. Hey, guys, David. What happens when you sell your dream? You can either disappear or, well, we're about to find out. We're all waiting on baited breath for your exciting real. Well, we're about to find out. What happens when you sell your dream? For $245,000, you owe $22 million in restitution.

You can't just disappear. That's not fuck you money. That's not even live for a year of money. Just sold fire Yeah, real quick, I'm filming You don't have a phone? Oh my God Oh my God

I didn't plant you there to say that Oh my God And now I'm rising from the ashes And if I do this right Are people chasing him? They're chasing him and this guy is saying Fuck him, fuck him, who cares? He's a fucking scam artist

Figger I want to own every single view on the internet I've been chasing one idea for my whole life the idea that views drive economy. My last brand hit 32 billion views was at top of Netflix and other international news. Because there was a failure.

There's a failure. Views drive the economy. Who are you? Fucking Mark Duckerberg? I mean, honestly, views drive the economy. They don't drive the economy. There's lots of stuff that drives the economy.

Views are not one of them. Views drive revenue. in an economy called the creator economy. You're seeing an idiot. Okay, here he is at his... Live from Utila. Utila. At the Phoenix Hotel pop-up.

Here on Water Key. Live from Utila. Live from Utila, he shows a shot of six people. I know. On a beach. Those people couldn't even be there. I mean, it's just insane. He's just insane.

He is literally an insane human being. And why, Billy, I would have thought after Fire Fest won, there would have been an, I've said this a million times, there would have been an opportunity to get with some real festival music heavyweights and say, I come on bended knee, I don't know shit. I fucked it all up. But Fire now has a name for itself. and if you help me, I will humbly give you the name and take a small fee, right, $100,000 or whatever. I'll give you the name, and let's do this the right way and get some backers behind you and get some real people involved. But instead, he went the same exact route that he did, getting a bunch of local yokel nobodies together for Firefest 2, where they didn't even know it was going to happen. We're all three places he announced FireFest 2 had no idea that it was coming to their town.

No. He is literally insane. He doesn't understand. Wasn't it one out in the middle of the ocean, too, or something? The very first longitude latitude that he sent when he put the big announcement that Fire Fest 2 was happening. Artist signed. You know, tickets now on sale. Coming next week.

Yeah. Tomorrow. Tomorrow in Mexico. Be there. 65,000 tickets available. He put the longitude latitude and people found out it was like 16 miles out in the ocean away from any land. It sounds about right for Fire Fest.

Billy, and I've told this story, I'll give you the short version because I don't think I'd repeat it yet again. But this is, it's really weird because somebody that worked for Billy reached out to me to ask me if I would have Billy. on the show. I remember when that happened. And I almost fell for it. Almost.

He was going to announce Firefest, too. He was going to this. He was going to that. It would all be exclusively. And then they invited me to come to Firefest Regional or some shit up in New York. Firefest Fire. I don't know what it was. Some Firefest tech or something.

Up in New York. And I could have it. And I could get there. and I could be there with all access for $5,000. Right, if you paid. Right. And once I went there, then Billy would come on the show for his announcement. So Billy was trying to scam me out of $5,000.

And now you're saying to yourself, well, could have just been someone associated with Billy. Could have been, except I was C-Ced and emailed by Billy, or an email that I would assume would have been Billy's. And, yeah, the guy is just a scam artist. know how to do it the right way and you know i hope that everyone gets their money back i think if if you didn't if you didn't die at fire fest one that should be restitution enough yeah that's payment enough but it's just crazy to me that this guy is still he's like a cockroach he just does not fucking die no and i mean actually dead i don't want the guy yeah no no but you know i don't dislike uh i don't like the i dislike the ideas that billy has yeah cool

festival on the beach, you know, all that. But it just would have been another burning man out on a beach. That's all it would have been. Yeah. I mean, there's plenty of beach festival things around the world. They've been doing it in Abiza forever. I mean, wait. Abiza does it Tuesday nights.

Yeah. It's a Tuesday night. Yeah, that's right. You want to go down to a beach and listen to some music and have some fun? Fish does it for like four nights every year, the Mayan Riviera. There's plenty of these things. Yeah. Yeah, he just totally scammed everybody.

Speaking of fish, fish is you. here tomorrow night. Oh, they are? Wednesday night. Yeah, here, right? I mean, like, I don't want to say, but relatively close to where I am, they're going to be here. So, you know, get out your Galaxy gas kids. And noodle on down there. I would love to go. I really would. But tickets are expensive. They always are, you know, unless you get them in the lottery or in the, when you buy them, then they're like $300 a piece. And I understand why, you know, Fish is not playing 300 nights a year anymore. And so they do, I think, 100 nights a year. All tickets are expensive now. We've talked about that. They really are. And then, you know, my brother has some. And while I would

love to go, there's also not only the cost of the ticket, but then, you know, the cost of whatever it is to do it. So by the time you end up, it's all said and done, it's 500 bucks to go see fish. I could, if I really wanted to see fish, I could pay $9.99 and watch the show online. There you go. There you go. Not quite the same. Not quite. the same vibe when you're watching from your computer screen or your phone laying next to your six-year-old or she's trying to go to sleep but you know kind of kind of you know you're babysitting one way or the other same vibe well actually you're looking through a phone screen babysitting some chick who can't take care of herself it's the same thing let's be honest about it you're drunk

babysitting some chick can't take care of herself watching the entire show through somebody else's phone screen. That's the concert experience these days. Yes. But I do like a fish show. I have been to a few, and I like it. I took Astrid to one. That's right. She couldn't take the smell. I think that's funny. She was like, I don't know what the smell is, but it's just too much. And I was like, oh, that's weed, and you're getting high. Weed and Patuli. Yeah, weed and But surely. All right. Well, listen, everyone, have a good week.

Next week, I'll tell you my story about the cacao ceremony. Oh, I can't wait for this. Ayan cacao ceremony that I went to. Yes. I'm still trying to figure it all out in my brain. Yeah. So piece the night together. Speaking of Guatemala.

Yeah, speaking of Guatemala. Well, that was Honduras. Oh, Honduras. But close. They're close together. Yeah, they are. Yeah, I got a Guatemala. priestess, high

Mayan priestess. High being the underlying word and then we all did the cacao ceremony. It was good. It was beautiful. It was fun.

It was all the things that I rail about speaking of fire. Speaking of fire. Get yourself a Mayan priestess and get onto your backyard. Yeah.

That, Billy. Yeah, if Billy would just do that, then I'd be gained. Billy said Mayan fire priestess and fish Right

Down on some random island I'd be there in a heartbeat I'd be all about it Yeah All right Well I know we railed against Kid Rock and Trump And I'm sorry

Sorry not sorry actually Yeah I don't know I just It'd take a lot of really good music coming toward the end of his career here to get to convince me that Kid Rock was a musician. I think he's turned.

You think so? Yeah. Oh, that's sad. I was really hoping. Kid Rock would be the next Bob Dylan of our time. Yeah. Bawita-Bah started off so strong. With gobbly gook.

I hoped it was going to end with gobbly gook too. But no, no, thank you. All right, listen, do this. Go to TCBPodcast.com. Get your free sticker by hitting the contact us button drop down menu says I want my free sticker. Give us your address. We'll send you one. No must, no fuss.

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