The Commercial Break - My My My MAFS Mishel

Episode Date: October 7, 2020

The Show: Bryan and Hoadley chime in on breaking President Trump Covid-19 news. Mishel Karen from Married at First Sight Australia joins the gang for a funny and wide ranging interview on life under the lights, the reality of reality T.V. and love at first sight. Don't forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode! Text us or leave us a voicemail at +1-661-BEST2YO ([phone]) LINKS: Get a FREE TCB limited edition collectible sticker Follow us on Instagram Subscribe and watch the show on Youtube Join us live on Fireside New episodes every Tuesday & Friday everywhere you listen to podcasts! For advertising contact AdvertiseCast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Coming up on this episode of The Commercial Break. I think he needs to drink a lot of grapefruit juice. Grapefruit juice is that what's curing it? This is my brand new Covid-19 protocol great purchase aspen broad eggs and smelled the feet of a dirty llama wow henry that sounds a kicker at the end literally ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I think I'm also having a comedy podcast coming up. I have watched the show. I've watched every episode, all 365,000 episodes. And I thought it was rather entertaining.

As I guess that's a point, right, is for it to be entertaining. It is a television show, first and foremost. So one, again, my favorite couple on the show, Michelle and Steve, I reached out to Michelle. She's been nice enough to join us. And so without further ado, we're gonna snap our fingers. Let's talk to Michelle. Either way, you can custom do anything you want to show you. There's no rules on the show.

So don't we love? Yeah, we're not live. That's the good news. No, we're like mad, that's what we're like. Yeah, because like, you know, ask where words are different to the American ones. OK, well, use the Australian and the American cuss words we prefer. No, I try to keep that because we're in a rude.

Like we swear and like you might think we're really rude. No, we like that. Yeah, we like it. Bring it on. The next episode of The commercial break starts now. I was just here checking my news scroll to make sure that I didn't miss any important events that are happening today. We're recording this on Saturday night here in the United States. And of course, the president of our president of the United States.

And of course, the president of our president of these United States, our president of these United States, has been diagnosed with SARS-CoV-2, also known as coronavirus or COVID-19. The novel coronavirus. Novel coronavirus, not so novel anymore, is it? No. Not so funny.

Yeah, no, not so funny at all. Well, I mean, listen, we do a lot of joking about coronavirus here on this show, born out of the boredom of the real life commercial break that we're involved in. But I certainly don't wish ill on anybody and certainly not our president of the United States because whether I like the guy or I don't like the guy,

having a president that's incapacitated or this in this series of a condition is not good news for anybody Involved and no, I don't even know what to think to be honest with you. I really don't there's so many emotions that are just running through me It's you know sadness anger I told you so's wow. Yeah, I mean, I knew I thought this could happen and it did But you the president what what did you let could happen and it did, but the president wanted to let this happen. Why did you spread it to a ton of people? Well, to be fair to the president,

we don't, no one's gonna ever really know. No, well, there's so many people that have come in with some contact with some of the people. Yeah. And you were just telling me that this, that they think that it might have happened at this Amy Barrett introduction, big, you know, rose garden ceremony. And then she had it back in June.

There's eight people. Eight. Eight that have tested positive. We're at that event. Wow. Mm-hmm. But none of the kids are anything habits. So I guess, um, I guess that's good.

There's still hope. We need a doctor on the show that can tell us about, like, correct. You know what I'm saying? We need a doctor. Sanjay Gupta. Sanjay Gupta. I think he's just not going. I have a doctor.

Oh, look, it's Henry from podcast universe. That is from yourhealth.com. Your health.com? Well, it's actually your health.wod. Your health.wod? That's correct. It's plan new extension for doctors only. Okay. And what do you make of all of this? It's a very serious condition. He's in a very bad shape and I think he needs to drink

a lot of grapefruit juice. Grapefruit juice is that what's curing it? This is my brand new COVID-19 protocol. Grapefruit juice, aspin, raw eggs, and smelled the feet of a dirty llama. Wow, Henry, that sounds amazing. Kick her at the end. Literally. Good one, Henry. Thank you. I'm also having a new comedy podcast coming.

Henry fund comedy podcast. Good for you, Henry. Thank you, Hood. I know you'd like that. Okay, listen, if you need any doctoral advice, you just give me a call. I'm here for you and the president. Are you the president's doctor? No, but all the president's doctors come from my office. We all share the same office.

Okay, well, I guess we're in good hands. Not particularly. But I, you know, this is just like one of those things where you just 15, 20, 30 days before an election, now he's out for at least 15 days. So I wonder what happens next. Like what's the next play? What happens here?

Does, do they try and convince the American public that they need to push back the election or it doesn't need to happen? Or he wins because he got thrown a fire in some of our really short-term. I mean, anything can happen. Anything can happen. Apparently, they're not going to push the election back.

But in this year, an under Trump, who knows? Who knows? But I do want to make it clear. I do wish the president and his wife and anybody else that was affected. That's speedy recovery. Yeah, and we're just hearing that now, Chris Christie is going to the hospital.

This is Saturday night. So you're listening to this on Wednesday more than likely than we're not giving you particularly timely information. But we're just learning as learning about it as we go. Yeah, absolutely. Floor. I was up working on the podcast that like one in the morning. And you know, when,

the Thursday night when it came out. When Hope Hicks was announced that she had COVID. Actually, she didn't announce it. A news reporter announced it. A news reporter announced that someone had come on Marine One and said, hope Hicks has coronavirus you for people who are in touch with her need to get off the Marine One.

And then they still sent the president out to Bedminster. It's just like, why didn't he just stay home at that point? I don't know, whatever. I mean, who might judge your guess or whatever? I have one word, ego. Yeah, it's too much. That's pretty much the whole thing. But here's another way to look at it, hopefully.

And it's the most protected man in the world. The most protected man on earth gets coronavirus, we can get coronavirus. It's just, Well, it depends on how much he let people protect him and how much he did to protect himself. And I don't think that was there. They're taking this like,

I mean, I don't think he was protecting himself. He was, he thought he was invincible. They're taking this like, they apparently the one thing that they have is like this abit quick test that they have. You know, like everybody takes this abit quick test. And I just read that the abit quick test is they have, you know, like everybody takes this habit quick test And I just read that the habit quick test is up to only 30% Yeah, yeah, not I know I'm like, why were they giving them that?

I think it's from the labs of podcast universe the new habit quick test Good job buddy. That's like we just put a bunch of bleach We hope it turns colors. That's right. 50-50 guess. That's not great odds, Henry. In my country, it's great odds. Which country is that? I don't want to say right now.

Yeah, I mean, when you have a 30% chance of getting it right, so as the night. So only weird, because I can go down and get a test here where we are and you've gotten the same test from the same place that we're going to and I just went and got tested last week, got my results back less than 24 hours later. So why aren't they doing that test? That's supposed to be the most reliable test and that's the nose swab. Well the Abbott test quick test is a nasal swab. It's like you do the nasal swab and then it's a quick solution they use. I think what if, you know what, here's the reality.

He's got it. He's got it. It didn't work. None of the fucking protocols worked. He's not wearing a mask. No one's wearing a mask. They're all spreading it to each other. It's just, I wish the president well, but I would.

The old COVID party. Yeah, big old COVID party. That's right. It's like a chicken pox party. Slumber party. old COVID party. Yeah, big old COVID party. That's right. It's like a chicken box party. Lumber party. Slumber party. Speaking of slumber party, let me tell you a story. Yeah. Chrissy ho. Well, let's get to this first. Go to www.tcbpodcast.com. That's where you can listen to all the episodes. You can look at show notes, find out more information about what we're talking about in Chrissy and I. You can also join the break room where

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Let me tell you a little story. I have been talking about this, my bad reality television habits have now infested. You've got a bad habit. I do. And now infested the commercial break. Yes, they have. I know you've gotten you hooked.

At least I'm one. You gave me something for free to start and the next thing you know I'm paying for it. That's how they get you. Yeah, they don't get you on the first one. They get you on the comeback. That's right. Just a little tiner. They call it a tiner.

Just going to get you a little tiner. Yeah, just try this. Just try this. It's on me. Uh, uh, uh, chili dip, chili dip. Uh, this, uh, I'll tell you a story a different time. Remind me to do the chili dip story, because I think you'll find it entertaining. So, there's a reality television show that has taken parts of the United States by storm.

The show is called Married at First Site, Australia. Now, there's been a Married at First Site. The US version has been around for about nine seasons. And here's the premise of the show. Two strangers get hooked up by Experts experts take two single people and they look at a bunch of different criteria and they interview them and they say okay expert matchmakers expert matchmakers. They're they ask you personality questions They ask you what you're looking for and they do the best they can to to match you up clinical

Psychologists marriage counselor types, like what we, at least that's the way they present themselves as experts in relationships as much as I guess someone is gonna be an expert on a relationship. And out of hundreds and hundreds of people, they match these two people together. This show has been pretty popular here in the United States and I think the experts do a rather good job.

At least I've watched some of the seasons not all of them. I'm not particularly like a huge fan of Merida first sight, the US version, but they try and put two people together that can somehow in some strange way make it work, right? This year, because of, I think because of coronavirus, they have decided to import a different version of the show that is married at first sight Australia.

Merida first sight Australia is a cut from a whole different cloth than the Merida first sight United States. And so there's these nine couples, same premise. Nine couples, total strangers hooked up by experts, although I think in this case the experts are the producers and not having to do anything with the relationship experts. They hook these two people up for a marriage. They then go on a short honeymoon,

and then they're to live together in the same apartment together. Like they just move in together right away for I'm guessing about two or three months. We'll have an opportunity to find out more about this later on the show as we're going to have our very first guest besides our friends are very first guest. Besides our friends who not to say they're not celebrities and they're amazing.

They're amazing like Jeff is well known and Rachel certainly is. I told Jeff I was like we're having our first guest and he said I thought I was your first guest. Yeah kind of. But someone that was your first guest. Yeah, kind of. But someone that we, it's from a show. Yeah, someone that we, they're on a show. Someone that we didn't already know, right? And so we're going to have our opportunity to ask these questions of our very first guest, who is in my opinion, one of the breakout stars of the particular reality show,

married at first, I had Australia Michelle and her husband Steve, well not the her television show husband Steve, will not be with her. We'll get a chance to ask her questions for obvious reasons. That's M-I-S-H-E-L. That's right. Spell the new podcast. Listeners, if you want to Google Michelle, Married at First Side Australia, it's me, Michelle. So let me give you a little breakdown of how the television show works. Married, total strangers, married day. They run off, they have.

Totally normal. Totally normal, completely normal. Listen, I felt like I was marrying a stranger and I knew my wife for two years. So I don't even know what it's like to marry someone you've known for no minutes and no seconds. No minutes, yeah, no, you see them for the first time hence the name. In case you're wondering, they literally meet on the altar. Like they don't meet each other

beforehand. They literally walk up to the altar and they're and they meet each other right then and there they exchange. But they've been asked by the perquero professionals. Yeah. For professionals. Yeah. For experts. Yeah. So then they they get married, then there's some times family members show up, family and friends, they have a big party afterwards, they have a nice reception afterwards, they're hustled off to some exotic location. Do people get to choose chicken or beef?

I don't know. That's a great question. We should ask that question. I don't know. Or is it just what you get stuck with? Fresh vegetarian to get cheese. And who's the DJ and do they have a band? And like did you get involved in that?

Like pardon me, wishes I had got married at first. I guess all that shit would have been taken care of for me right off the beginning. I would now to worry about a damn thing. Exactly. Shuffled off to a honeymoon where they spend a couple of days getting to know each other in the Honeymoon bubble. Sometimes right then and there you start to see cracks.

You start to understand where it's going to go right and where it's going to go wrong. Who's going to be the interesting people this season who's not on both versions on the US version and the Australian version. But as rubber really meets the road when they start living with each other. Yeah. Now, the difference between the two shows in case you're wondering is that I just think that the Australian version is much more slicked up. It's more and more ready for prime time.

And they're trying to get characters in the door that are going to make for interesting television, not interesting marriages, interesting television. When they get in the same apartment as each other, they then every single week have a dinner where all the couples get together and have dinner and they all talk shit about each other and they all tell each other what's going on in their marriages and then every single week they have to recommit to each other

in a recommitment ceremony. So in the US version, they don't do this. It's just like everyone kinda lives on their own and they do their own thing and they kind of interact with the other couples but not much. So I'm saying all of this, I'm giving you a preface because we're probably gonna talk a little bit about some of the minutia of the show

and I wanted those who don't watch the show to understand what goes on. Dinner, recommitment ceremony, living together, right after the marriage, honeymoon ceremony, literally married strangers. I'm sorry. Okay, keep going. There's nothing else to say.

I have watched the show. I've watched every episode, all 365,000 episodes. And I thought it was rather entertaining. I guess that's a point, right, is for it to be entertaining. It is a television show, first and foremost. So one, my again, my favorite couple on the show, Michelle and Steve, I reached out to Michelle.

She's been nice enough to join us. And so without further ado, we're gonna snap our fingers. Let's talk to Michelle. Michelle, you look great. Hello, you look beautiful. Really? You're all just like,

I'm so nice to meet you like, virtually. To me, to me, to me, to me, to me is anyway that we're meeting people now. Well, that's very true. It's very true. I mean, I bet you guys will not make anyone really. I said, take your COVID. How did he get COVID?

Right. Oh, that's a question. I got my loss. Listen, he's got, he's like, how did he get COVID? Right. Oh, that's a question. I got my laugh. Listen, he's got, he's got, can COVID. By the way, you can custom do anything you want to show you. There's no rules on the show. So don't we watch? Yeah, we're not live.

That's the good news. No, look at that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And because I can't ask where words are different to the American ones. OK, well, use the Australian and the American customs we prefer it. I'm excited to be back because we're really rude.

Like we swear and like you might think we're really rude. No, we like that. Yeah, we like it. Bring it on. So we think the president got coronavirus because he doesn't wear a fucking mask and he goes around. I mean, oh gosh, what do you have to wear masks? Oh yeah, every day. I mean, listen, we do, we don you have to wear masks? Oh yeah.

Every day. I mean, listen, we do, we don't have to, but we do, because it's a, we have. That's how it spreads. We're the number one country in the world for coronavirus. I think it must just be a moon. He's all that bush that was going to filter it. I totally thought he was a moon.

He's definitely a moon. It's really bad. I can't comment, because I don't know if he's really that bad. He just seems like a bit of a joke. Yeah, no, he is. We fully think that. It's been a weird four years. Yeah. Is that what can he do it again? Yeah, well, there are people that will vote for him, but we're not. There's no options. Yeah, Joe Biden. He's a more liberal candidate, and there's about 30% of this country that will do whatever

President Trump says it's a cult here. He's reached cult status, and it's unbelievable. We always look at every other country that's asked backwards like Venezuela or North Korea and we go, I can't have an ass for America. But Australia is not, is Australia that bad? Do you guys have a dictator in present for a president? No, I actually, no, we don't. As I probably just dumb.

That's politicians in general. Yeah, first. The guy in the other cell has Trump. I just like, yeah, they're a little bit more, I don't know, we've just the pants, because we've got a constitution and like they kind of rule every state rules by themselves and then the whole body is kind of hard at night.

It's ours are ours too. So like our states have different laws to the whole country. Yeah, okay. It's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, it's our, well then they're not doing it, right? So. We kind of have more pull. So Queensland, we're kind of, we're not on restrictions because as much as anyone else, so we can go out, we can actually go and have like weddings or parties or do whatever, because we're pretty COVID-said.

Oh wow. That's right. The other states are in full lockdown. We're there not allowed with their suburb, so it depends on the state and our state has just chosen this and it's, we've got the lowest rate anyway. Let me ask you this while we're on the subject. So I think most Americans probably know about as much about Australia as has been shown in pop culture. Crocodile Dundee and that guy who died chasing the alligators, right?

And so I... I was in the... He died for... Oh, okay, yeah, so... Steve Irwin. Steve Irwin. Yeah, he was killed by alligators. He was killed by the sting, right?

I thought, were you in time for that, did he? Just like... I make shit up. We all know that I didn't take the ring. He's the hero, and we do. He was. So... We watched the show, right?

We were... Yeah. Americans were all in on Steve Irwin when he was around. But so I don't know much about, but what's so funny is watching the show especially, is I see the similarities in our pop culture. Like you dress the same, you talk the same, you drink the same, you have fun in the same way.

The culture is so similar, but we don't share much pop culture in general. Like we don't hear about Australia, I'm sure maybe you guys hear a little bit more about us because we have a loud mouth president. But do you guys, is coronavirus considered a serious thing there? Is it like taken seriously?

Or is it just like, well, it's the flu and we're just going to have to get through it? Or does it depend on who you are? We're going to go to the hands-on here you are there. We've got those little conspiracy theorists. And I don't know. Queensland is like a state that's very laid back. We kind of, you know what, you want us to do this? Yeah, we'll agree.

We won't, we'll follow the rules and then you'd let us have this. Okay, yay, we're like farmers. We really are very simple folk and we're very laid back where Victoria, the ones that have been really locked down, they're kind of up themselves and they think that they own the country and they're the ones that are the rules. So there's always been a Victoria New South Wales kind of thing where they both... Did you have a competition? Yeah, so Victoria thinks that they're the classes, the Classy State Melbourne, they're very classy and Sydney is like the popular tramp.

Trendy, right? And Bruce and we're just like outback farmers, we're like so late back, we love that. You can just like, you can see like Drew, he's from Queensland. Yeah, he's called that. And Johnny, but he's just one of the dumb ones. Well, God bless his soul. God bless his soul. Well, he's just a dumb surfer, which is okay.

He is the only person who's able to make up the population. You know, Johnny had a good thing, and but Johnny did come across as kind of a dumb surfer guy, right? And so, he was a himbo. What's a himbo? Oh, the male version of a Bimbo. Oh, I was a boy smart, he was a him bow. What's a him bow? Oh, the male version of a bimbo. Oh, he was a little bit of a him bow. He was stealing that word. He doesn't even do like all Brian.

He were Brian. He were a him bow for a little. I was, I was a, I was a hut, which is a male version of a slut. I was a muck. Yes. The male version of the, That was a muck. Yes. The male version. I'm never obviously that one, sorry. But I'm married now happily.

I have to qualify. I'm married now happily. My wife will listen to this show. She's in the other room. I think he's a bit of a hot guy. Guys can get into it. We all have needs Michelle. I'm just, that's all I got to say.

I was a young dumb and full of you know what. So I feel like you and I are married at first sight after 365 million episodes of this show that has, I mean, it goes on for fucking ever. Did you, did you know this when you were filming that there'd be so many episodes of the show? Uh, actually they cut out like a lot of them. So they cut out a month of episodes. What? Can you believe that? No, we were all going crazy like our cast. Like we were just like, how dare?

Because it's all formulated in editors. It's just like, I never did that. It didn't happen. And we're just reading the executive producer all the time. I'm so I'm doing this. I think that because like the stories and like even the feedback we're getting now, this girl was writing to me, I was reading a message, I thought you were so genuine, then why did you say you didn't really like Steve? And I'm just like, it's edited. It's so edited. Most of the time, anyone who's got sound experience, you can hear that the words aren't even in the same room. The words that we've spoken.

Interesting. Yeah. Because if you listen to the, and like my voice is very odd, because I talk very slowly on the show. And my friends are like, I can't believe that you talk so slowly. It's like you were thinking about everything you said. I'm just like, I never think about what I'm going to say. Okay, it just comes out of my mouth and I talk this far. The thing is, when they're editor and they take out every second word, yeah, it sounds like I've talked there. But I bet, I bet though when there's like a camera in your face, you're also kind of like

thinking about it. Yeah, you forget about the camera after a while. It becomes part of your life, doesn't it? Yeah, and the microphone. You just actually forget that you actually just can kind of do everything. Well, I did. I just lived like how I thought. That's probably why I settled at stupid stuff. I would do the same thing. I was thinking, that's the same thing.

Michelle, I think you, this show has taken a certain part of this country by storm. And I know you know this because I know that there are probably a lot of people communicating this with you. And my wife and I hooked from from show one. And you and Steve are the reason why this show was most interesting to us because the way that they edited your story together. What's that? You said are you on?

Oh, she's on. Well, listen to this. I'm going to tell you a funny story real quick. So I asked Steve to come on the show also. You're the first person I reached out to, but then we reached out to a couple of other people and I said, I asked Steve to come on the show. And he's like, listen, man, listen, mate, let me get back to you and I'll let you know. But there's a couple of,

Chrissy and I have been talking about this on a number of episodes and a couple of the episodes, I said that Steve was in his late 60s. And so I'm sure he's not coming on the show because he's probably like this fucking buffoon. Let me ask you, let me get it out of the way. Do you think, I know that this storyline was edited, I've heard a lot of your podcast and podcasts,

you've done off air, I've done my homework, I understand that it's just manipulated. But let's assume for a second that the storyline was real and Steve really wasn't sleeping with you for whatever reason. My wife and I had a theory, or I had the theory and I'm just blaming my wife for it right now. I had the theory that Steve may have had performance anxiety.

Like, man of a certain age, maybe he was like, you know, scared to get into bed with somebody, and he didn't wanna be called out on national television. Now, I mean, obviously we don't know if that's true. I don't wanna make up rumors, but that was what I was speculating at the time when I was watching the show and engaging it.

I thought, you know, maybe Steve is like, you know, maybe he's just not ready to rock. And I mean, he's a pill. Yeah, maybe he needs daddy's little helper or something and he's afraid that he's gonna get called out on that sort of television. Yeah, well, I think that that, I never actually considered that that would be a thing

because I think it was quite early when you kind of realize whether you're gonna gel with this person or not. Interesting. I think at the honeymoon before you see most of the filming, you'd already decided, oh well, I, like, yeah, this wasn't going to work. You watch a television. I like to go out, like, go, like, high. And it's like, yeah, there was we just didn't get all. It just didn't happen. Like we we got along with the show. And yeah, it's

very difficult. Like what do you say? So I knew that I didn't want to kiss in. So if you don't want to kiss someone, yeah, how did they, how did they edit the show so incredibly tactfully to make it seem like, I mean, Michelle, to the, I've been in radio, I've been in television, I'm a podcaster, I'm not an idiot, I understand that the show is the show first. It's not about your marriage, it's about the ratings. And so they're gonna do whatever they have to do to get from point A to point B with the ratings, but they edited that so incredibly well

to make most, I think of America believe that you were getting the, I guess the short end of the stick or the dick or whatever. No, I think I've've started to fall for Steve. And not as I did start to fall for him because you don't realize that you're in this environment and you have to like, you rely on that person. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So basically, it starts off when I make the comment about, let's have sex.

Mm-hmm. Let's just have sex and we don't have to kiss, we'll just have sex. So I don't know if you notice, but that one of the experts, she always asks you about your sex life. Yes. And so we're on the couch and you see me say,

well, let's just have sex. Let's have sex and we don't have to kiss, we'll just have sex. Interesting. And everyone's pissing themselves laughing. So I thought this is fricking funny because I'm having like, and then all of a sudden, it's like, it became a serious thing. It became the whole show. Michelle became the whole show for like 10 episodes. It's the whole, it's the only reason why anybody's watching is because they're like, it's Steve gonna bang Michelle.

It's fine, Michelle's finally gonna get what she needs, you know, and all this stuff, and are they gonna make it? And they edited it in a way where you're really pulling for Michelle, you're like, Michelle, like they're gonna, they're gonna do it, they're gonna get together, they're gonna have intimacy, things are gonna work. And then you realize that it's just a bunch of, it's a hunk of bullshit, but I get what you,

Oh, I feel like, you have feelings for this person, but it's not like that I wanted to kiss him or have sex with him. Like, even, I think this is like, when we came to stay at my place, and like, I just don't realize what the viewers don't realize. How have I got a three bedroom house? And the only bed that's missing is my daughter's bed. So like we've got a spare room where my son's bed is, my daughter hasn't got a bed and I've got a bed. Now why does my daughter not have a bed? There's no one asked themselves. It's like I know that they're

going to make him try to sleep in my room. The only way that I can get that my daughter sleeps in my bed with me. And it's like, like removing her bed. So I have my family remove her bed out of our house. There's not even a bed in her room. It's more 18 year old girl. She's 19 now. I have to say that she wants to sleep with her mom because she hasn't got a bed in her room. I mean, it's like, God, it monitor taking it out of the, no one thinks. And everyone, and I was like, yeah, I want to share the bed. I want to share, no, I don't want him to share my bed. Yeah.

I got rid of my daughter's bed so that she has to sleep in my bed with me. Yeah, that's really interesting. So let's do it. Because they did, because they edited it so masterfully. And end-of-all shine, who is the production company. So I want to make sure that we're filling people in who may not have watched the show because we have a rather large audience across the world.

And some people, and especially in the UK, they're, I think they're about to get this, aren't they? I think they started watching it. So yeah, it's like... I just want to make sure that, so just to let you know, Steven Michelle are married at first sight. We already, we already kind of did a little pre-thing on a pre-show about how you guys go down the aisle.

You are total strangers. But the producers make it out to seem as if Steven Michelle are getting along, are firing on all cylinders except one. And that is intimacy, that they just can't get it together in the bedroom. And that's not because of Michelle's, is unwanting or not trying. It's because Steve is unwilling or unable.

And this becomes such a big deal in the show. Like there's like 10 episodes that are dedicated to this. Start back up for just one second. You walk down the aisle. What are you thinking? Can we remind that for a second? You walk down the, you walk down, let's go to the wedding day.

Let's even go back to that. I'm married. I've been married twice. Chris, you're married. Yeah, okay. You've been married, Michelle. Yes. It's hard to fucking enough when you know somebody.

Like I knew my wife for two years in the wedding day was tough to fucking enough. How difficult is this wedding day when you don't have any idea what's on the other side of this? It was hard. Like, you know, because I couldn't communicate with my family and I couldn't get like a real gauge of what they thought because my family's also very pleasant.

So they didn't want to say anything. They're lovely. On the show, they came across a level. Yeah. But I walk, we walked down the aisle and we do the vows and You have to go back and do it again What you have to go give to do the vows twice Didn't you take off your hair and your makeup?

Didn't you take off your hair and your makeup? I'm done. I'm not doing this. I don't want to do this. I'm leaning. There's a serial killer truck drive. I'm going to do that. I was not a big dead. I'm not sure. Little credits, too. He looked pretty dapper.

I mean, he had the skinny pants on with his ankle showing. I was like, Steve looks pretty dapper. See how this ankle showing? I thought to myself with the on with his ankle showing. I was like, Steve looks pretty dapper. See how the ankle's showing? I thought to myself with the guy with the ankle showing, I'm like, I don't think this is gonna go well. His ankles are showing. But. Yeah, I think it was just different.

I thought maybe the preacher, the guy that was doing it was gonna be my partner. I just like, I would believe that, yeah, I just didn't imagine him being there. And I, when I it. Yeah, I just didn't even imagine. Him being. And I knew, I got a photo and I actually took it to my doctor to get it aged, because I just couldn't believe he was 52. I just couldn't believe it.

My son was 52. And I'm just like, how old is this person? How old is it? They're just like 65, 63. I'm just like, he acted very old as well. It wasn't just that he had that hard alive. It's just that he was way older in his brain the way that he's. He was sitting in his ways, Michelle. He was setting his ways before he came on the television show. He had, I think, the only way that it

was going gonna work out is if you fit exactly inside his box and did everything he wanted to do, and listen, there's lots of people out there like that. I know lots of people like that. I have family members who are like that. If you don't fit in their world, it ain't happening. They're not willing to stretch outside

their spear of influence or spear of comfort to get some kind of relationship going. And relationship is so much about compromise. And it's not that Steve didn't come across as nice at some point, but he just didn't seem like he was willing to at all compromise. And it was quite clear from the beginning that I understood what you guys were talking about

when you were falling for each other. You were falling for each other in a way that two friends fall for each other. There's a honeymoon period. Okay, yeah, it's not like a honeymoon. It's like, I've never lived with anyone. I've only lived with my children and my parents. And so then this is the first time I've had a roommate.

Like, you know, we had separate bedrooms, we had separate bathrooms. We just had a communal area where we would sit, where he could watch TV when I wasn't in the room. And he was watching a lot of TV. He was watching a lot of TV. I mean, he's playing cool in his own room as well, because I don't like TV.

So we had our own little areas, and then he would go to breakfast every day by himself. And I would just like, sometimes I'd come down, and the paps would say to me, are you just making a special appearance? And I'm just like, why? And they're just like, because you don'd come down and the paps would say to me And he just make he a special appearance and I'm just like why and they're just like because he don't come down with Stephen I'm just like no he wants to go to breakfast by himself. I'm fucking You were married to the guy in this in this whole Experient experiment slash experience that sounds like it wasn't so incredibly stressful and he didn't want to go to fucking you didn't I mean

He wanted to go to breakfast by himself Yeah, you did like you he would all often go with Oh, so Johnny wants to board the boys. Oh, okay, and nothing it was allowed to but like yeah, he just didn't want me there So how did you like it? That's what I couldn't read just like well if, if you don't, like we'd not, why can't we just like, why can't we just go? I just wanna go. Well, let me ask you guys.

Yeah. How did you get involved in this whole process? I understand you, you, and I don't mean like, you know, I understand you were invited once to come on the show and then you got invited the second time you were with, or you made it onto the cast the first time, but you were with somebody. And then, but I mean, like, who has the idea?

Is it you, are you like, you know what? This sounds like something I'd really like to do. It'd be a neat experience. I wanna go and do it, who knows? Maybe I do get to fall in love. Is it you that I kind of, you watch the show and decide, this is it, yeah. Yeah, I decided, initially I decided that I wanted to,

because I thought we'll arrange marriages work. Yeah, you know, people fall in love and in our culture like Macedonia, people do it. So why couldn't it work? And I was really convinced that they were actually doing it. They told me they were doing it. I was convinced why would it not work? I have dated nearly every man in their dog. Anyway, there was no one left. So I just want to take a chance.

Take a chance. Take a chance. Why not? So you get, so you get cast on this show. Is it pretty like, so I think I want to point out to the audience. It's pretty clear from the beginning that the producers are gonna drive this one way or the other. This is not about letting you. It's a normal thing with you. Yeah.

It's very clear. It's very clear. So do they tell you, like, I mean, when you get cast on the show, are they like, get prepared for three months away from your children away from your family? You're not gonna have any access. You're gonna have to be locked down with this person,

or do they, is it more nebulous than that? Are they just like, you're going to get married, then we're gonna send you off on a honeymoon and you guys are gonna live together and don't worry about it, everything will be fine. No, it's like, yeah, like, come we found the most perfect person you're gonna be matched with. I want to horse you.

You'll be able to go to the gym because the gyms in the center like where you're going to be staying. There's a pool. We'll get you your egg boiler because I don't know how to boil. And now we can eat celery juice. Yay. All right. Everything.

So beautiful. All inclusive. It's a big egg. Yeah. And you're going to meet the man if you're dreams. And I'm just like, OK, well, whatever got to lose. Like, what do I really have to lose? I'm very likable.

Like, yes, I've got nothing to lose. You are very like a really right. Have you realized that the hospital are the num skulls? And like, then we've got bad dramas as well. Right. Their dramas, far surpassed your drama, though the producer do a good job of focusing and on you for a good portion of the show,

they, there is a, it's seen, I was texting with you the other night, it seems more like a fucking swingers party than a reality show at some point. Everyone's sleeping with everyone else's husbands and wives. I mean, maybe everyone's just a little too drunk. I don't know, it's, but it's more like,

I don't know, it's more like a show on MTV Have you seen the have you seen the even off screen? Wow some of the stuff that would happen off screen like yes We're all staying in the same hotel on the same level. We do have babysitters producers that look after us 24 hours a day Yes, and we've got more than things on our room. So, but we can't sneak out. Well, how does that work? Yeah, they're watching you all the time. I'm a little worried. I'm thinking of a big deal for you. I'm like, I'm sitting in it. It's the weekend or it's light. And you can make a distraction and you can get out.

Is this one when the trouble started? Is this one on the trouble started? Is this one all the trouble started? When people were sneaking out, that's when the trouble started? Yeah, I think that we were quite unruly. Oh, not me, I was very good. But everyone was quite unruly and just like, yeah, no. I like this person, I like that one just like,

yeah, we could just swap. But just swap, we'll just hook up with whoever. That's fucking crazy. And do you think some people were there just to be on TV? Like we're planted or and then some people were there to be real? What was the ratio? The thing is, some days you're so bored and you hate the person you're with. You actually hate them.

Like can't imagine living with your husband or wife that you love. This is someone that you don't even freaking like. And you're with them 24 seven, you hate them. And you're bored out of your brains. You'd actually have sex with someone who made the video the story. I would have actually done anything almost because you just think I am so freaking bored. I am like, you don't even talk like I can't have an intelligent conversation. Somebody just has some sort of conversation that you want to like yeah wow. Yeah, let's do it. At that point you're like it's almost like you're a prisoner and so you're just willing to get a little bit of sunlight. And I don't mean like a prisoner in the four walls even though it's a probably

you probably were too, but I mean like a prisoner in your own mind. Do you're like any bit of sunshine, any bit of fun, differentiation from Steve going to breakfast, me sitting in a room, listening to Steve's TV, but you know what I'm saying? It's like anything. Anything. You look really absolutely anything.

And it's not because you want the fame. It's because you actually board, and you just need some sort of stimulation, whether it be mental, physical, or board and you just need some sort of stimulation whether it been mental physical or whatever you just are And the activities they plan that they're going to feel are so freaking boring That you just think and that this is what we're doing Yeah I need for me and Steve. It's like oh, well now you're going to do this food challenge and just like are you freaking joking?

You want to jump up the top of the building and you're doing it like a food tasting thing. Yeah, I was shaming up your butt. Yeah, so sorry, that's right. That's why people probably did get to that point. You get so bored. The answer is useful. The answer is useful.

I do actually just want the drama and they want to be on TV. TV drama. Yeah, I think most of the people said maybe even I did, but I don't think I did. I just wanted to meet my one and I just wanted to see me. Yeah. And I thought I was going to meet him down the aisle. And if I didn't meet him down the aisle, I thought he was going to be here at the wedding. That's what I thought. I was like so romantically like,

what did you think talking down the aisle? Here's what I think you've said before. Here's a truck driver. I was like, no, I had my son with me and he's absolutely adorable, but he's. He's a cucumber. Yeah. Yeah.

And I just feel bad. Like he's still not recovered from the wedding. Yeah. He's feeling a lot of stress around this, huh? Well, the thing is, he was very stressed at the wedding, and no one ever showed him and his reaction, because he knew that Steve was not good for me, from the first minute, and he's like,

they're pulling me away from him, and he's like, they're pulling me away from him and he's like, I can't let you go mum. I've looked after you for like so many times. Like this evil man's taking you. It's like it was so sad, but they would never show that because they were happy to make my daughter look like a bit of a con. Like, you know, that was fine.

Yeah. But it was a strong girl, but they didn't want to show my son and his sadness because like then that would actually show that Steve wasn't genuine. Yeah, that would show that that doesn't fit their storyline because they're because by the time it's all said and done, they have it in the can and they understand that the story line is going to go like this. And what they show is some young man that's crying for his mother and saying, this is not a good thing, don't do this, it doesn't fit the story line that Michelle loves Steve, and Steve doesn't want to sleep with Michelle.

It doesn't fit that story line, which they're so, again, craftfully edited in an amazing way. When you get on. edited in an amazing way when you like when you get on my phone outside with me with my sister and it's like yeah Let's go. Let's go. Let's just leave. That's my question. Yeah, Michelle. Well, honestly I understand the premise of the contract right and I know they can be pretty tight and they can and I also understand what it's like to be in a room in a business Meaning and someone's holding a contract and saying it's either courtroom or we figure it out right now Where you do what I say you're gonna say yeah, and I've been in that situation as a businessman and so I understand the stress that comes with that

But at some point if it feels like you're and I've heard from other people on the show too, like I've now watched other people that have been, you know, in YouTube videos and stuff, saying some of the same stuff that you're saying. And basically what they're saying is, it felt like we were held hostage, that we were here with people that we should not be matched with on purpose to cause us stress, drama, and pain.

And then they want to film it. And when it's not exciting enough, they want to get us in a room and tell us that we're never going to get on TV if we don't start making it exciting. Yes or they tell you that Australia will hate you and they're finding you in that light and which is terrible. I got the stress that they put me under with Steve like when Steve was we were having a huge fight it's all on camera and we're having the biggest argument.

And he's screaming and swearing at me. And then he starts like going, like, is very angry in his room. And I have the executive producer saying to me, you know what? You look like the biggest cunt, not going into that room to console that man. I'm just like, you're freaking joking.

I'm a victim of DV, a survivor of DV. I'm not going into a room where a man's going off his head, swearing at me, calling me every freaking name, and then to get my nose broken. No. Fuck that. Yeah. Fuck that. And like Australia's gonna hate you. They're gonna say that you're like this mean bitch.

You're letting him cry. It's heartbreaking. I'm just off. Are you joking? And I'm feeling like, are you crazy? Like, I'm not going in there. I don't care. So I gave him some chocolate. And just like, how dare they try to make more? Here's a piece of stuff Because I'm really mad because I believe in the world and you know when an angry man is like that I don't know Steve so I don't know if he is gonna punch me in the face right you won't be caught But I don't know him that well so there's no way I'm actually gonna open the door and say here I am break my face Like yeah, no way I'm actually going to open the door and say, here I am, break my face. Like, yeah. No way.

At the end of the day, you're fucking strangers. At the end of the day, you're strangers. Here's the biggest difference between the television show on the US. Have you seen the US version of the television of the Married Furniture? Right, right. This gorgeous couple on Instagram,

and I'm just like, I'm in love with them. Who, which one? The boy with the long hair and... Oh, they're so, okay. And just in case, for people in the mirror. Oh, it's boiler alert. It's boiler alert. Yeah.

I know who you're talking about. They're lovely. There are a bunch of hippies that live down in New Orleans and they're just lovely. Yeah. Are they our hippies? Yes. And I'm just like, oh God, I love them.

It's my favorite couple on the Maritifersite US. But the Maritifersight US or MAPS is so tame compared to the Australian version because they actually love each other. Yes, they actually fucking love each other. They put circle. They know. Michelle, I know you're done with reality television.

But. But I love it because they seem like they love each other. And I just like, and it's so adorable. I just love it. And now that you call me that they really do love each other, these couples survive. They're there are like their 10 season deep, nine seasons deep, and they are doing whole television new seasons during the quarantine, what we're calling the quarantine over here. They're doing new seasons, just following the couples that have survived, that experience, and they've, there's 20 couples and nine seasons that have children

and they're living together and all this other stuff, because I think they actually do have real experts that try and match them for real, but the show is, by default, is not as interesting, because it's like real relationship shit. So when someone on Meredith first-side Australia is sleeping with somebody else's wife and that's kind of drama,

on Meredith first-side the US, they're arguing over what they're gonna budget for their food budget next week. It's like it's so real. Yeah, it's just like. Would you do a party? What's that? I said would you do a party?

Oh, go ahead, Michelle. Sorry. They don't have a party. Did you say do they have a party? Yeah, I did a party where they can talk to each other and say, this is what's happening in our relationship and blah, blah, blah. No, that's another difference. That's the difference.

You're very structured over there. You guys interact with each other all the time. The couples do. To the point where I think it's detrimental. To the point where I believe that there were moles in your group, people that were being viewed on, yeah, by the producer, I think Chrissy had asked this question earlier, but I think there were people that were in the room

that were cute on, and Mike might have been one of them or whoever, right? And they were just, they were asking such crazy questions that you wouldn't ask at a dinner party. Like, you know, do you love, you know, would you have sex with your mate? Do you like her tits? Stuff that's just like crazy

that you would never ask somebody at a dinner party to evoke a reaction that then caused a bunch of drama, but in the Married at First Site, U.S., they get together for drinks, but it seems like it's on their own volition. Like they actually ask each other if they want to, hey, you want to go out and have a drink? Yeah, okay, let's go out and have a drink. Yeah, okay, I'll just go out and have a drink.

But there's no need commitment ceremony, but they do meet with actual experts. They're a pest, love coaches. They meet with them. On your version. We don't talk to ours at all. You guys sit in front of them. So they don't really communicate with us at all. So we across from them, but they're not actually trying to hear what we're saying.

The producers just basically hearing it and then telling them what to say back to us. Oh, really? Well, they're just as a figurehead or like a face. They're giving their giving credibility they're lending credibility to the fact that you guys have been married by experts. When the experts are nothing but real, they're really producers, they're actors and editors, and they're there to help guide the show

in a certain direction. And- And if I've had it in our contract, that the experts are not there for you, the experts are there for the producers, which I've come believe believes that I found it. It's like, yeah, so they're not to give us advice. They're there to give the production advice.

They're going to actually give us any advice. They're there to tell the producers how to push your buttons. That's fucked up, Michelle. They're fucked up. It's like really insane and it's like wow. And I think definitely there's people that were there that got pushed and even like for yourself like for myself, I know like me and Steve had a big blow up one night and it was you know I had the two glasses of wine. Yeah. So we need to have a drama for the dinner party.

You know, we can have the drama or we can not have it. But if we don't have it, then we're filming until two or three or four o'clock in the morning. So you win so much? That goes to be drama? Well, like, you're not drinking, you're not eating, you're drinking alcohol, but you're not drinking water in that. So then that night was an early night for us, because they just said, Oh, look, you're going to have to do the fuck. You're going to have to, you're going to have to. And I was just like, No, I'm not

going to talk to him. I'm not talking to him. I'm not talking to him. Then, and then at about 11, I thought, Well, you know what, if I don't do this, we're going to be here till four o'clock. I just get it over with and I just said okay I did we had the argument Steve left. I think it was 1145. We're out and we're home. We're ready to sleep and that was That was the earliest in a party we had because it was just all over and done they got their drama and It's night night this They got their drama and it's night night. This is not what it is. In the US they would call this a hostage situation.

They would not call this a reality television show. And that's what I say. I think, wow, the human rights that are being set, which is incredible, then I just think if it is in the US, it would like not at least one person would speak up. But we've got so many film crew. There's at least a hundred people there filming and like audio, like with all of us,

not one person speaks up and says, well, these people have a drink of water, well, they haven't eaten for this many hours. Well, we've been sitting here for 12 freaking hours. Isn't there like a... It's like one pot. It's crazy. That's crazy.

Isn't there like a psychological, like I know sometimes on reality shows here, they have like a psychological evaluator, someone that's sitting there going, okay, she is kind of going sideways and we better pull her off, give her a vacation, take her off the show, give her a break. Give her a break.

You have a psychologist there, but she also then reports everything to the producers. Oh, so you don't trust her. It's like you don't wanna talk to her because then she's just gonna go, Oh, no, no, you, all the, like I openly said to her, yeah, I'm gonna jump off the building.

I'm going to jump because that's anyway, I feel like I could get out. Oh my God. I'm not gonna have to come to see my family. And I'm just like, I actually'm going to jump because that's anyway, I feel like I could get out. I'm not going to have to go home to see my family. And I just like, I actually am going to jump. It was like, and she's just like, okay, so she tells the executive producers to get to go home that weekend. Whoa. So, so actually they did have someone on the set that was saying Michelle's about to lose her potatoes. So we better get her to jump off the balcony. You want to jump off the balcony?

But I don't get it. I don't know, but there was like the fence. The second fence was too high. It's like the naked like really. It's like that bad. Is that bad? You're not joking about this. It was you were really trying to talk about this all situation.

He found people in the two fences. Oh my God. And he's like, what the fuck are you doing? I said, I'm fucking getting out of here. I really am. Like, I am jumping the fuck off. Yeah, like I'm done. And so then, I'm like, okay.

Did Steve become kind of like after a while, he became like a comfort zone, like even though you didn't care for him in that way, like when you guys obviously from... I don't like that. I like that's the person you care about the most. I suppose because they're with you. They're your lifeline.

They're your lifeline. Okay, yeah, Stockholm syndrome. You're there, you're a great person. Yeah. They're a captain and like they give you life, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, Steven, said, I don't like him, I don't like what he's about. I think he's here for the wrong reasons. The whole group turned on me. And no one talked to me and I was just like, wow,

they were all fans of Steve. And so the group of the other contestants. Yeah, so everyone else turns it for Michael and Stacy. They still, they talk to me, but I was only two so but everyone else turned on me no one talked to me and you just like wow And so then you're like it's like Like those chickens that there's a packing water and so then you realize if I want to be accepted by the group Yeah If I want to be accepted by the group, you got to hand it with it. I'm on the deal. Yeah.

And every time I try to say something, honestly, and then you just say, like I was trying to say, oh, it's the betrayal or this. And they're just like, yeah, eat not, not Steve's good, Steve's good, not, not, you're not valid. Watch your say, he's not valid. You know, and you're just like, okay, I give up because I know I'm a prisoner here. Yeah. I know that I'm the only person that can help me. You know, here's the interesting.

I just made a connection to my head, Michelle. Endimall Shine has been, has been, they're the producers behind the Survivor Series, which has been going on forever and ever and ever. And as we watch Survivor forever, I mean, I'm like, I'm 40 years old, I feel like, I have my life surviving. I stopped watching it after season two or whatever,

but one of the things became the psychological gameplay that went on there and how if you wanted to be popular, you had to hang out with the popular kids. And if you didn't want to get kicked off, you had to manipulate this person and do this person. For years, they understand the psychology about what happens when you stick a group of people in a room and cut them off from the rest of the world.

They understand how to push those buttons to make drama out of it. And so now I'm believing that they're taking a little bit of that knowledge and bringing it to married at first sight, Australia. Why it doesn't happen here in the US, I think because legally, I actually think that people here in the US, it's such a popular show anyway,

that they like to see people actually fall in love. But how does this still go on in Australia? Is it not clear to everyone watching? Is this an incredibly popular show in Australia? I think it is, but I think it really is, but I don't, in America, you actually understand your human rights and all of your rights. Correct.

In Australia, we don't. Our human rights bill in Queensland, like in our state, was released earlier this year. Wow. Wow. And you're in right spill. It's like what? 2020. You've been a century for the last years. So how could we actually say that's against my human rights? Because most of us don't even know what our rights are. We don't know what we have against anything. So, like, we're just not educated like that to know, wow, this is what they're doing is wrong. We could see, like, you know, if this was prisoners and prisoners were getting, weren't

getting food or water, we'd say, well, that's against their rights. Of course. We would see that, but they can't see it, and other people, but they can't see it on other people. And we can't see it as ourselves. Because I think most people see it like like Chrissy and I, we see it this way, but like we think other people see it like going into the show, which is it's a big fucking vacation. You're on television. You're going to be famous. You're going to get some deal out of it. You're going to make money. But the truth is you don't make any money. And it's the producers who make the money. They don't pay you, do they? They pay like a stipend a day.

They pay $250 a day. How do you survive it? Yeah, we're in the middle of Sydney. So we're in the middle. It's like the most, like, you're so expensive. Yeah. You get your hair for like $150, like to get it started, blow wave, whatever. You're going to pay for your own hair. Yeah, we do our own hair, our own makeup.

So that's like $100 to get your makeup, your own clothes. Like I think, I know that I'm in debt something like 40, something 40,000, 48,000 or something. Casey said she's in debt like 20 and she was only there for like a short amount of time. Holy shit. You shut it. Brow into debt because you want you have to wear a new outfit.

Yeah, you have to. Yeah, because they won't allow you wear the same outfit. So, and then it's just like, you don't actually realize the enormity of like all of that until afterwards. Yeah, like, everyone's got makeup on. I've everyone's got makeup on I've got to wear makeup You're on television yeah everybody in Australia you want to look good? How can they know how can they not Totally thought and this is a I had no idea because I totally thought on all these shows they at least had a hair and makeup person Like but there's no Wow, and if you look like a scrubber, they're going to even love it even more. They'll just, they'll just like show you as the, like, you know, when you look really bad. Yeah.

Yeah. As the, you know, is it like a walk of shame every day? So yeah, I think that it's just that is insane to me. Michelle. Um, well, I didn't even think of the monetary that I was losing with all the, and then plus, we thought you were giving, you thought you were going to find your true love. Of course, you would have looked good. You would have spring for the clothes and the hair and the makeup. But now I come in. When you got off the television show,

you obviously, I think we're pretty psychologically stressed, right? And I've seen you in some of these videos where you're talking and some other shows that you've done. And you just sound like this was a horrible experience, and you're not the only one, by the way. So you're not like the crazy individual who just came off the show and decided to gripe about it,

because there are other people who are their shorter amounts of time than you were, who are also saying the same thing about this television show. And I think, you know, I'm not sure every person that listens to the commercial break besides the information that I give them when we're talking about this, know about Meredith first sight. And my hope with you coming on was, first of all, you're a totally incredibly cool person. Like, I think that even comes across on the screen.

I'm a better person. Of course you do. Yeah, it comes across as a good one. We're big fans. Big fans. It comes across on the screen. And just the small communication we've had before the interview, it's really come across too.

But my hope in doing the interview was to enlighten folks that these type of television shows, while they may be entertaining to you, there's like real people on the other side of the camera that may be suffering at your expense, because you're one of those people that suffered at that expense. When you got off the show financially,

did anybody come to you and say, I'd like you to do a brand deal with you? Like was there any kind of recoup of any of that cash? Yeah, so then I signed up with a PR company because I tell you when you leave, these are some PR companies. So you signed with a PR company. I don't know why,

because I have nothing to promote. So like I have no brand, I have no, no product, I didn't want to like become an influencer or anything like that. I wasn't even meant to get followers. Like all these young girls, they didn't get as many followers. Like, ended up with like a crazy amount of followers. A lot of people follow you on because because you're, you come across as authentic. You're real.

I was authentic. I was real. Because I think I wasn't meant to get all these followers. And it's like, well, what do I do now? I don't actually, like, I don't know what to do. So I signed a couple contracts. But then I just thought, well, I signed a couple with some late lost people.

And then I just thought, that doesn't work. I said, I said, I thought, that doesn't work. I was like, I just wanted to make a next day, I said, this doesn't work. You're going to push it, you know? Like, you know what happens then? They don't like that. No, they don't. They don't like it.

So the thing is, when I advertise something, it's because I genuinely like it. And most of the things I'm not even paid for, like, how they fresh, I did get paid for that. I love how they're fresh by the way. We've used it on the past. I love it. You've got your new food as well. They gave me free food for that promotion. I take it. You know, I'm very open with what I do get.

But yeah, I think that no, the other stuff, if I don't believe it, then the next day I will say to you, this is not good. No if I don't believe it, then the next day I will say to you, this is not good. No, I don't believe it. And so thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's a ship product.

Well, you're like one, you are the exception and not the rule because there's lots of Instagram followers. I'm not saying all of them, but a lot of them, they will pitch you shit in a bag and call it makeup if they can make a dollar off of it. And I applaud you for that. I mean, listen, what you do with it is you just continue to cultivate who Michelle is.

You just be authentic. And then something will come, I mean, I don't need to tell you what to do, right? You do what you're smart enough. You're educated, you're an educated woman. But I mean, listen, you know, we would die for 150, it's like 150, 175,000 Instagram followers.

And I think the reason why you are one of the more popular ones is because it just really shines through the television show. Are you, do you feel like people are getting the message that you're out there, like you're telling people, hey listen, this show is not what you think it is. People are really suffering on the back end of this. Do you think people are getting the message like Australians in general?

Oh no, I think that like they just want to watch the show. I don't know, I don't think that they do because there's still people suffering and then and then now you get to a realization. I think I came to a realization the other day. Well, yeah, they treated us pretty shit, but I've been treated shit in my life. So yeah, I can deal with it. Yeah, you know, I can accommodate for the way that they treated me because they didn't even know me where people that have known me have treated me badly. So which is like almost like a defeat.

Yeah. So you know what? Yeah, I can't hold them totally accountable for everything that I suffered because Yeah, I have been treated worse Yeah, but would you do it again? Would you do it again? Or would you do it a do you do it on another show? Would you do it in the US? No, you're like done Well, I don't believe that the US is gonna do it properly anymore now that they see this is gonna do it properly anymore. Now that they see this. I would definitely move to the US if there was some, if I fell in love, I'd move anywhere, just anywhere,

because I just want to meet my one. You remind me a lot of Chrissy HODLY is my co-host, and we've been friends for longer than I care to tell the audience. And I know what that friendship kind of love is, that what I'm sure you were feeling for Steve at some point, which is, you know, this is someone who's really got my back. You know, and I know that in your situation,

it was forced, right? It was just the only thing you had. So you may not have chosen him in real life. But I understand that and your personality sometimes on the show reminded me of Chrissy Holdy, and I think that's why so much, I felt so much, like, so endeared to your character now that I know it's on the show. But you're just, you're gonna, like,

if you, that's what you care for and that's what you want, I think you're gonna find somebody. Have you been dating after the show? Or is it just like too much? No, I haven't dated. No one's picked up the phone and called you, no one said like, hey, no strangers on Instagram, no Facebook messages.

Oh, it's live in the DM. Yeah, no one's on Instagram. But like, I'm just, they say lots of strange things. So I can imagine, I think I think it's not maybe the platform to find someone like me. Because I don't want a fan. I want somebody who wants me, right? I think that if the US producers could get a hold of you, and this is, I'm saying this, I'm kind of egging it on, if the US producers could get a hold of you, I think that they honestly try and match people

based on the criteria that makes sense because so many of those couples, at least in the short term they work out, and then there's lots that have worked out in the long term, lots of have children. Some of them have children together and they're living a wonderful life. I think that that would be a runaway hit if Michelle from married at first sight, Australia came to the US to get married at first sight in the US.

So just keep that in mind and I don't know if end of the whole thing. Maybe a really nice pass. Of course you would. Yes, there's no real, there's a couple jerks, there's a couple jerk offs on the show, right? Through the years there have been a couple jerk, there's always one in the group. There has to be. One person who's there with Malintent,

they put on a super good show for everybody and then the second that they get behind the closed doors, they're total shit heads. But that's just life in general. We've all, I mean, listen, you've experienced some real trauma in your life, but I've certainly been involved with some relationships where it all seemed like shit and shine alive first.

And then I went to fucking hell in a hand basket two days later. And I, and I stuck with it. I felt like I was in a reality show. I stuck with it also way longer than that. Where are the cameras? Yeah, but, you know, I think that I, I, I think that I wish you had done this in the United States because I think it would have ended up grand for you. Let me ask you a couple more questions.

Did you get a lot of paparazzi that followed you around after the show? I know the paparazzi in Australia and in the UK, like daily mail and stuff like that. They can be relentless. They're like crazy kind of paparazzi. The thing is the Paps here, they're actually kind of like your saviors.

So you think the Paps quite early. So from your wedding, they're actually kind of like your saviors. So you think the PAPS quite early, so from your wedding, they're there. Oh really? We ended up talking to them. So because they, they, you see them more than you see anyone else. And like, you know, when you actually need to go the doctors, they'll tell you which doctor to go. Oh really? Something. Or they'll see you and they'll say,

are you okay? They'll take photos of you, but it was actually like, they were like our lifeline of reality. That's very interesting. And I still have a relationship with all of them. The ones that I know. And I wouldn't, there is one in Brisbane

that I've told to basically fuck off. You have a relationship with them because it's like you actually saved my life. Yeah, when you could see when I was struggling and I just needed someone to talk to. And one of the other boys, he introduced me to his partner. They got married. It was just so lovely. Like, you know, it was just... They were friends.

They were friends when you were with your friends. They were friends. They were a friend. I'm totally. So it was just like, yeah, it was just some... It was people that you've made that you think care about you and I think that they did. And yeah, when other people are not. Well, that's nice.

They're treating you like a human. Yeah. And that's the people that actually filmed our after stories because I could see us suffering. I could see us being apart. And then that get real into time and And there the paps that have basically recorded our conversations. Did they? Wow.

And they've tried to get the message out. But the truth is, but I guess what you're saying is that the ratings machine continues. And the mall shines going to do what, or the producers are going to do what they're going to do. And listen, who knows? Maybe it's just a shitty group of producers that are producing American first-sighted Australia I'm not saying end of my mind. The whole

company is a bunch of assholes. I don't know. Yeah, they're very clever. Yeah, very clever. Do you still believe, I think you do? I think I know the same answer, but you still believe in love. You still think it's out there. Look, I didn't for so long. And yeah, no, I'm very hopeful. I'm so hopeful. Say that way. That's how you find somebody. Yeah, you find somebody. I know that the whole experience makes you unravel yourself and you go in.

And when you go in, that's when you learn about your side. That's the trauma as well, like that we deal with, because you can never be that person you were before. You went on maps. Yes. And I've got my friends and family said, and I've lost nearly all my friends and family after this. They don't, they hated the fact that you were on the show.

They don't like the way you were portrayed. They feel like you said things that weren't true. Because there were no other substances in in our stories because, you know, it's edited. Right. And I didn't realize that it's edited. There's inconsistencies with, like, even their behavior, I don't know, you just see everyone's sorry. Yeah. Experience. And, and you can't go back to unseen. Yeah. Because you know what they've said on camera, you've seen what they've revealed. It's like, wow, that's how you really feel about me. And it's it's hard to go

back to the unseen. Once you see, you've seen. And I couldn't look at the show the same way. After you and I started talking, I just could not look at the show the same way. I mean, it was still entertaining in a sense that it's a television show. It's a piece of entertainment program that's wasting an hour of my time, right? But I can't look at it the same way because now I know the real human being that's behind the bullshit, right? Yeah, and I think that you're know, like definitely it was a learning experience, but maybe they needed to let us know that, you know,

what people are never gonna accept us as the same afterward. You'll never take it seriously again. So like I have, I'm fairly educated, so I have three, four degrees. And I'm just like, but I go back to work and I'm a joke. That's three and a half more than I have. So are you still are you still teaching or you're not? I'm at the police academy so I'm just I'm doing learning sport but I struggle because the

yeah the groups have to have a certain respect for you. Now I've been on TV they don't even have that respect for you. But then I've been on TV. They don't even have that respect for me. Like there's not like you know, we've been trying, like we have that kind of hierarchy in police or military, kind of, or a lost it because I'm a joke. Oh, because they see you as just this girl who was on the reality television show. And they don't take the time to get to know you as a person. And they don't take the time. So you're saying that you're some of your family and friends also feel that way too. They're like, you know what?

I heard that for you. I hate that for you. So much. I hate that for you. It's okay. But I think everyone wants me to be the old Michelle. So they're just like, there's like, they two Michelle's and I only see one. And I can't be that old.

I can only be me who I am. And the only thing that's never changing is that we're always ever changing. Like, and the reality is, is that every experience you go through, you're gonna pick, it's like you're sailing along, right? You go into port, you have an experience, you get on the ship, you're not the same person as when you left the ship.

It's just the way that it is. And that happens in life, no matter whether you're a reality television star or not. It's just the way that life is. And so I hope that some of your friends and family understand that this is the way that life is. And I need the support more people love you for who you are and for who you're not. And those experiences, and I hope that, you know, I'm not enough to listen to this, but I hope that to understand that life changes sometimes,

you change, people change. And because of those experiences, we need you more than ever. And we don't need you to head out the door, we need you to get closer, right? You had a transformation, you know? But I think that also you probably, like I think I've pushed people away as well,

because I realized our relationships are not healthy and it's probably something that I needed to realize years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Well good. Yeah, toxic out. Oh, out with the toxic. I think that, you know, it takes the whole, like, I was adding an embarrassment off in front of the Australia, but then it takes the whole world to actually love me and love the things that I do that members of my family would never accept. And I just think, wow. So my family and friends think I'm a jerk or like I'm an idiot because I act like that.

But the rest of the world loves that and it's like it's very It's weird isn't it? Yeah Know that the world doesn't know me but the world can appreciate that quality that's kind of quirky about me Where people know me Can't love it. That's what we what is eye-opening as And just like, well, I'm never going to change. So this is me quote, and all. And if you don't like it, if you can't accept it, well, then I just have to move forward.

Absolutely. I have a story to tell. I have a story to tell. It's a, I love you for everything that you are, and I love you for everything that you're not. Right? If you're going to love somebody, you just have to accept them the way that they are.

And sometimes, I think the people who don't love you for everything that you're not, right? If you're gonna love somebody, you just have to accept them the way that they are. And sometimes, I think it's the people who don't love us for who or not. They expect us to be something else, or they want us to change something about themselves, that that becomes toxic after a while, and you have to learn that, well, if they're not gonna accept that part of me, then maybe it's maybe at this moment.

What other people think of me as their problem? It's none of my business. Yeah. It's none of my business. Oh my god. It is like that. And I think so you do a little bit of pushing as well. So it's not just them leaving. It's that you realize what is good for you and what isn't as well. But that's through growth. And like everyone, this is a dramatic traumatic experience. Like for four months, I'm away from my family and friends. For the first time in my life, I've never lived away from them.

And I'm living with a complete stranger in a city that's really busy and noisy, and yeah, it gave me anxiety, I was scared, and I didn't know anyone and yeah, it's just I had to look in within and find myself even more, which I thought I knew myself, but I know myself more now. I was like, really, know myself. Through that, through that. I love you. And I love you more now that we've had actually in talk. Honestly, you're my favorite on the show. Let me ask you two more questions. How are you children doing? They're amazing. They're so wonderful. I love, I know that everyone says

that, but my children are amazing. Like if I didn't have Eva, my daughter. Lovely woman. Yeah. I would be here. She is so clever. She sees what I don't see. Yeah. She's wise beyond her years. And that can't be true on the television show too, that she's wise beyond her years. And she cares about me, but she's, she's also big enough to say to me, you're being a fucking idiot as well. And I know that. And that wears my son, he's just, he reminds me of me, he's got the kindness heart and he'll just give you that cuddle and he just like he loves you He loves me just doesn't matter what or you're really dummy. Did something stupid? I love you still Mama's boy, he just loves you. I mean, yeah, I'm mama's boy in a good way. I don't mean that a bad way

And he's a great kid, so you know, I just feel, but he doesn't want to do a lot of socials. Like, he won't get anything because I think he was just too scarred from that. Did the kids have any blowback at school or from friends about the television show? Because they both finished their adults. But yeah, they did, Eva got trolled quite a bit, especially for being in the cow at the wedding and not mining her own business. And that's what I think, you know, wow, they were very keen to show my daughter as strong and like, you know, manipulative or like manipulating a situation. No, she was just being protecting her mother.

That's it. That's it. Particularly like a fun, like in his vulnerable side. And I just don't understand why they couldn't show a man being vulnerable. Because it didn't fit the narrative. That's my opinion is because they can do the whole show and they figured out that piece doesn't fit with everything else that we need to do in the show. If a little boy is crying for his mama

and the producers take him away, it makes everybody in the situation look bad. It didn't fit their narrative, they didn't wanna do it. And listen, at the end of the day, we always have to remember too, is that this is a television show. This is their job.

Their job is to make this show as interesting as possible. And so for that, I mean, I don't know these people obviously, personally, but for that, I mean, I don't know these people, obviously, personally, but for that, I understand why they're doing what they're doing, but I agree with you that there could have been a different way to go about it. They could feed people, they could give them hair and makeup,

they could pay them a living wage, they could do things to make this whole fucking experience, just a little bit more pleasant. And when they don't do that, it just see, and then they're making millions or billions of dollars on the back of this is just like it shows just how rotten this egg is. It really sticks. Do you talk to Steve? Do you have you have said anything to Steve since this show has ended? Have you guys had any conversation?

We did. So we had, we've talked, we actually talked at the reunion, after the reunion and we were joking around and then we've even met up afterwards. Good for you. Then we've been alive together and I lost about three or 4,000 followers. Did you really? Yes. I didn't really stop.

I didn't live. I think I gave some followers, but I lost. I just like, wow, people really upset that I talked to him. And then he was like, yeah, we're just okay. Like I just, yeah, whatever, whatever. Whatever. Yeah. But I was surprised that I lost so many followers. Like, you know, and there was just like, because I was trying to be kind. And, but then I think his personality, it's never going to change. Yeah. His motivations are never, we're always the same. And I just have to accept that some people are just not my people. Yeah. That's true. But I'm glad to hear that there is some kind of like there was some reckoning at the end of this and that you guys didn't end up completely sour at

each other because listen, I know we've we've poked a little bit at Steve on this television show, but the truth is is that he seems like pretty relatively harmless bloke who's just trying to get by in life the way that everybody else. Did you like it? I'm Australian now. I feel like I'm Australian. I've used in your words now. What does cryke mean? That's probably where I would both pay month's stock. Yeah, I heard all about that.

I would love Michelle. So I'm going to be respectful of your time. I would love if you would, would it be okay if maybe in a month or so, if you're around and we can touch base or we can just stay in touch and maybe you can come back and do on what's that? That's it, Brian. I thought we were falling in love. My wife the other night was like, my job. I love it. Like I have a few followers from the US.

I just absolutely love them. And I know that like, when they're awake and when they're not, then it's just like, I kind of like feel like I know them all. They're my friends. Like, but they're not. I'm just like, before you're in big. You have to listen to this. So the other night, Michelle, so I'm watching the reunion special, Married First

Night. And I am texting with Michelle on what's up. It's a rather surreal experience. I just have to say that I've got someone on my 90 in screen TV and I'm texting them while while we're doing this. And my wife looks over and she's like, who are you texting? It's like 11 o'clock at night. I'm watching, watching a replay of the show. My wife's like, who are you texting? I'm like, Michelle from Meredith first. She's like, no way. And I'm like, oh, yeah. She's like, so she loves you. So like, oh yeah. She's like so.

Who's your best? Yeah. She loves you too. So listen Michelle, we'll stay in touch. I'm gonna do one thing. I'm gonna say goodbye here with Chris. So stay with me just for one second Michelle. If you would, I'm gonna say goodbye to Chrissy.

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Yeah. I really heard the thing you talked about from, yeah. Okay. Stick with us, Michelle. Chrissy and I will see you on the after show. Until next time.

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