The Confessionals - 1: Farmer Sees Two Sasquatch

Episode Date: January 19, 2017

Tom owns two farms in western Pennsylvania. In August of 2016 he had a rather unsettling encounter with a sasquatch while preparing for hunting season. A few months later while in his tree stand he sees a second sasquatch and is now faced with a new reality in life that he is trying to comprehend.    Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals

Hey everyone, this is Tony Merkel, host of the Confessionals. Before we get into tonight's episode, I just want to take some time to share some really exciting news we have going on. If you haven't noticed already, my voice actually sounds a lot more clear, and that's because I'm not going to be recording with my cell phone anymore. I'm actually going to be recording on a studio-grade microphone with studio-grade equipment to create a more pleasurable, entertaining experience for you guys. And along those lines, I'm actually going to be extending the show a little bit by engaging

our guest more so you guys get more out of it. And as always, if you've had an encounter with the ghosts, alien, UFOs, Bigfoot, or government conspiracy, anything out of the ordinary, get a hold of me. My email is The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. And without any further delay, let's get to tonight's show. In the shadows, it's called probing. Clear for the rest of the crime. You guys hear that? Stan Gordon is one of the United States leading researchers of the stranger side of the Bigfoot phenomenon.

And it doesn't come much stranger than a case Gordon investigated in late 1973 in his home state of Pennsylvania. It's important to note that this case was one of dozens that Gordon received from 1972 to 1974, which collectively suggested the presence of unknown hairy manbeasts all across Pennsylvania. Many of these cases, however, were dominated by phenomena that, for many Bigfoot investigators, fell far outside what one could call the norm, including an event that occurred in Fayette County in October 1973. It was the dark night of October 25th when all hell broke loose in the heart of the county. The primary player in the story was Steve Palmer, who was both a mid-year-old. amazed and frightened to see a brightly illuminated UFO hovering over local farmland around 9 o'clock

p.m. But that wasn't all that Palmer encountered. A pair of immense, ape-like animals with very long and muscular arms surfaced out of the shadows of the dark field and proceeded to walk straight towards Palmer. He wasted no time and blasted them with a salvo of bullets. Very weirdly, the bullets appeared to have no effect at all on either creature, and they were treated into the darkness. The UFO did likewise, vanishing in an instant. That was not the end of the affair, however. Approximately four hours later, things took on even stranger and far more terrifying proportions. It was roughly 1 o'clock a.m. when Gordon arrived on the scene, having been alerted to the Palmer encounter by local police, who had been apprised of the facts. Along with Gordon were

fellow investigators, Dennis Smelzer, Fred Pitt, David Smith, and George Lutz. They met with Palmer, who proceeded to tell them of his unearthly encounter with the two Bigfoot creatures and the UFO. Then, quite out of the blue, something horrifying occurred. Palmer's breathing changed rapidly, to the extent that he was literally panting heavily and deeply, and he broke into a deep guttural howl and knocked both his own father and luts to the field floor, and that was only the start of things. Pitt found himself unable to breathe properly, smelts or felt faint, and Palmer fell to the ground having apparently passed out.

A powerful rotten odor of brimstone suddenly dominated the cold night air. The terrified group knew that it was vital they get out of the field, and quickly too, before things got worse. Later, when Palmer regained consciousness, he told Gordon and his team that he, Palmer, while in his past out state, has seen before him a sickle-carrying, dark-robed figure that warned him the human race was on the verge of destroying itself, and would do exactly that unless it curbed its violent, Instincts. Even stranger than that, a couple of weeks later, two Air Force officers, one in uniform and the other in plain clothes, visited Palmer at his home. It quickly became clear that the pair knew all about Palmer's weird encounter and the later experience. They even confided in him that they knew that both the UFO and the Sasquatches were genuine. There was a specific reason for the visit. First, they showed Palmer a number of photos of Bigfoot creatures

and wanted to know if the beast he encountered resembled them. Second, they asked if Palmer would be willing to be placed into a hypnotic state to ensure that the military secured all the relevant data. Palmer agreed. And with all the information in hand, the two men got up, thanked Palmer, and left. Despite telling Palmer that they would keep him informed of any future developments, they failed to do so. He never saw them again.

It was a fitting end to a case steeped in mystery. Okay, that was the Fayette County, Pennsylvania Bigfoot, out of the Bigfoot book written by Nick Redfern. I love that story. It's not because of the weirdness when it comes to Bigfoot and UFOs. It's actually because of the government officials that show up to this guy's house and interview him for more information. They actually hypnotize the guy to get the most information out of him as possible. And then they just leave and they never come back. They never give him updates, nothing. It reminds me of all the stories that I hear of these government officials showing up to sites that people have seen Bigfoot. They interview witnesses and pretty much tell them to keep their mouths shut.

They're not allowed to talk about it or else bad things could happen to them. How many times have we heard that before? Anyways, I think it's a great story and I thought you guys would like it too, so I figured I'd share it with you. Okay, so tonight's guest is Tom. Tom is a farmer out in western Pennsylvania. He owns two different farms, actually, that have been passed down in his family throughout the general. Throughout Tom's entire life, he's never even thought about Bigfoot, and that all changed in August of 2016 when he saw his first Bigfoot. A few months later, he was actually in his tree stand hunting,

and he saw a second one. So in this few months period of time, Tom's life has totally been flipped upside down. Tom wants to come on tonight and share his story about what he's seen and how he's coping with this new reality that he's dealing with. So let's bring on Tom and hear what he has say. Hey, Tom, how are you? Great. How are you doing? I'm doing good, man. It's been a long day, but I'm glad to be here at home talking to you about this stuff. You had some pretty interesting things going on in Western Pennsylvania. Is that right? Oh, yeah. I'm not to say the least, yes. Yeah. Now, from what I understand, you have seen Sasquatch on two different occasions. Is that

right? Yes. Yes. A very large male and a female. Okay. Well, why don't you start from the beginning and let us know how this all developed? I would say late August, our early season archery property setting up a ground blind. And I was doing some hammering to hang up burlap camo. And I thought I heard some hammering back. I don't really think too much of it, so I kept going. And then I heard something walking. really heavy, but what struck me, it's funny is it was coming through

an area that is so super thick with like monophora rows and grape vines and pretty tough for a human to get through.

And it has a lot of old script mines in it, so it's kind of like a knoll there where you can't see. But I kept working, kept working.

And I started hearing a growl. And at first it wasn't, didn't really strike me, but the more I ignored it, the more

menacing it became, and it was almost like from the chest a, and I started getting a little concerned. Well, about five minutes later, it became so deep and menacing that I had no choice but to flee, because it almost seemed like I was going to be attacked at any time. So I took off. I told my dad, my dad kind of him hot about it. So three days later, I went back to hunt. Well, the same thing happened except this time when I fled. It fled with me like it was chasing.

But it wasn't behind me. It was kind of like off to the side of me. And every time its feet hit the ground, it was almost like I could feel it vibrating in my body. Well, when I got back to the truck, I turned around and I looked. And in between, it's like a tree line, an opening on my side, trees on its side, between two nice size trees and a bunch of saplings is where he stood. And this is where I hesitate to say because when I hear myself say it, it sounds crazy.

But I'm going to estimate eight and a half, nine feet tall, standing between two trees, rocking side to side. And I can see pretty much its whole body, its whole head. But it was dark. It was getting dark at the time. And it was a real dark that I seen. That was my encounter with the male. My whole entire family has had encounters with them I just found out recently.

My stepmom's been shuffled out of the woods quickly, my brother-in-law, you know. And it's always that. And it just verb-rays through. Now, the second encounter that I had was with the female. And this was in deer season this year. December 3rd, and I was on the other farm, and it's a big strip line with Spanish olive grilling on all sides of it,

and I was on top of the gas line, and I heard like some rustling, bustling, and she came down out of the woods, and she kept looking back, like something was chasing her. I don't know if hunters jumped her or what, but as she stepped out onto the gas line, I turned my scope up on 12. I know she looked directly at me, but I never seen her face.

All I could focus on were two breasts. I don't want to say it was like the sparsar, but it was like thinner around the chest area. But they were clearly two breasts, independently moving from the other. You know, it wasn't like a uniform movement. and she was, but the way she ran was kind of funny because she ran kind of like forward to get ready to go up this hill. It almost looked like if she dug her hands into the ground, she could thrust and be on all fours at any second. Well, the last she went to was so, so thick. I would never be able to follow her, you know.

So that's my encounter with her. Back a week later, actually, four days later, to hunt again, I just think it was kind of like, we know you're there you know what kind of like an acknowledgement to me you know now ever since then

it's just been in the crazy for me because I want to know I want to find out you know so many more questions

than answers I have no answers to any of the questions you know so let me ask you you said on December 3rd is when you saw

the female correct yes yes Now, you saw the mail before that. Do you remember the date that you saw that? You know, our early season on the second is card is September 1st. So this would be the last week of August that I saw him.

Okay. So, and these both took place in 2016, right? Yes, yes. Was the growling that you heard, is that something that you've encountered before? Because you say that when you heard, the growling at first you didn't think much of it. Why was that? Is this something that you've heard before out there and you just, it's something that you're used to? No, you know, that's the funny thing. I'm 45 years old. I've hunted all over Pennsylvania, West Virginia. I've never heard

anything that even comes distinctly close to what I heard that day. And, you know, I'm not even really sure why I blew it off. I just, at first it didn't seem like it was a threat, you know. At first it was a growl, but it was calm. And I didn't really get alarmed until, I would say, five or six minutes into the growling when it really started to get that verboration and that menacing sound to it. Like, I am ready to count. You know, I can jump at any time.

Gotcha. You said that the male was eight and a half to nine feet tall, or was that the female? No, that was the male. Okay. The female, when you saw her, is that an area that you could easily access, or did you try to go back at all to see maybe how tall she was, how big she was? No, I didn't go back to really see how tall she was. I actually went to check and see how tall he was, and they had cleared some of the trees out of there by that time. But I'd basically use an estimate on how tall she was, and I was guessing her to be somewhere in a neighborhood of, like, seven, maybe a little bit.

bit bigger. And just because of what I've seen with him, I kind of in my mind compared to two of all. Gotcha. Now, before this encounter, what was your experience with Bigfoot? You know what? I have had this zero. Other than when I was a kid, I'd seen Leonard Nimoy on TV with the Himalaya Bigfoot tracks in the snow. But there had been a lot of crazy things happening around our farm before that. And subsequently, After this, there's been a ton of stuff going on with my whole entire family and the neighbors with these same two big foot. Like, there's just every single day of something new coming up. But they're really a hesitant to talk about it, you know?

For the same reason, I guess everybody is and ridicule one, you know. Right. Now, you don't have to answer this if you feel like it's not your place. you said the family has known about the Bigfoot activity and stuff. Is there anything that you could share as to what they've experienced? Yeah, yeah. I won't put any names there, but the neighbors have bee boxes. They sell honey, and all the bee boxes were torn apart.

And they weren't torn apart with claws and teeth. They were pulled apart by hand. And the reason I know that is because in the honeycomb, there were big hand swipes where it looked like he was taking scoops of comb out of there and eating it like straight out of the house. And all

the boxes, all 11 boxes were destroyed. But like I said, it wasn't like a black bear that would chew on it or use his claws to pull it apart. These were all taken, the slides were taken straight out of the top. Another incident that they have is the neighbor lady.

She was awoke about 3 o'clock in the morning something walked past her trailer. bedroom window in her trailer, and it's approximately like seven to eight foot tall window off the ground, and she said it was that same exact sound that I told them about. Now, my brother-in-law heard the same exact sound come out of an old pump station house where they had a gas well, and it chased them away also. So even my dad reported being chased out of the woods, and he's six foot four, 250 pounds,

and he's a second-degree black belt. He was picking berries. And that growling, guttural caused him to book. He said to berries. So, like, things have been really going on since August,

and it seems to be going on a weekly or a daily basis. It just depends on who's out there. Wow, that's really interesting. When you went to your, I mean, I'm assuming you went to your family and told them your experience, were they hesitant to come forward to even tell you what they've experienced after you told them your experience?

Because I know a lot of people out there have had experiences, but they're scared to talk about it because they're afraid to sound like a kook. And maybe you could share how you went about breaking this news to your relatives and friends to actually bring up the conversation. Well, they know that I'm a predator hunter, that I hunt coyotes and fox. and I told my dad we were sitting at the Christmas table as a matter of fact and the whole family was there and I said you know I was I heard some stuff down in the woods again and it was the same thing I told you about before and they all started laughing and I said well what are you laughing about? And that's when they started telling me about my brother-in-law and my dad I said well what do you guys think it is well what do you think it is I said me personally I think it is I said me personally I think it's It's Bigfoot.

Oh, you're crazy, you're crazy. But my little, my brother-in-law pulls me to the side and he's like, I've seen something down there. I don't want to say anything to anybody about it. Don't tell your dad, but I think it's Bigfoot also. As a matter of fact, I know it is. So he's seen, but won't really come forthwith and tell me what he's seen. And my dad, my dad is one of those people that he won't say a word

because he's so afraid to be ridiculed in public, you know. Right. I think that's a common thing. I've heard that a lot from people. But so your brother-in-law told you that not only does he think it's a big foot, he knows it's a big foot, but that's all he's telling you. He doesn't even want to talk to you about it, even though you've told him you've seen these things. Yeah, no, he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to brought into it at all. I think that's just because he's afraid to be used to be picked on, you know, by the family. Yeah, I guess that's understandable. you can never know how somebody is going to react to something like this until they actually go through it. You know, a lot of people know, I've never seen a Sasquatch, but I can only theorize as to how

I would react to it, but until I'm actually in that kind of moment, I would have no idea, really. What was going through your mind when you saw either one of these things, but particularly the female? because you describe that you saw her breasts. What was going through your mind at that moment? You know what? I want to say it was just total went blank. And I'll see, I had my rifle with me, so I turned it up on 12 power.

So I was about 250, 300 yards away from her. I've seen everything. I mean, but the feeling that I had was so different from the middle. It was a more peaceful calm feeling, but it was just an astonishment because, okay, the male was one thing, but now I'm just seeing the female of this species that supposedly does not exist. I'm looking at a creature that keeps the species going, you know, and I'm like, are those breasts? Oh, my, you know, I was just total dumbfoundedness, you know, because she is the reason why they keep going. you know, without her,

none of this makes any sense because why, you know, you don't have a bunch of males arming around. Here she is. She reproduces. She keeps those species alive, and I'm looking at her.

And a typical guy, you know, I can't even tell you what her face looks like. I was looking at your breast. Because I was so amazed and impressed with, it was like a validation. You know, seeing the male was one thing, but seeing the female, I was like, wow, everything I've heard and everything everybody's arguing about and all this controversy has just been settled in my mind once and for all.

Here she is. Yeah, I guess that would be an enlightening moment. But it's also a dumbfounding moment because now where do we go from here? Because everything I sat and all my beliefs and everything have been turned upside down. And I've got this drive to find. find out more. You know, it's almost like a brain overload

because I want to learn more. I want to see her again. I want to get cast to her feet. I want pictures of her. You know, I want to give her a big hugging kiss and be like, wow. You know, here you are.

You know? And how intelligent are you really just been here for 45 years and I've never heard of it? I never even knew you were there. It's like the risk. that's full feeling, you know? Absolutely.

The fact that you farm these lands and you've never seen them until now, is this, I'm assuming this is a family farm that you've been there your whole life? Yeah, this farm's been in our family for over 100 years. Wow. So let me ask you a question. About the mail that you saw, you said it was swaying. Now, two questions here. One, you say it's a male.

Is that because of lack of breast? I basically just theorized that on the side and the sound of his voice because it was so deep. You know, it was, and he was so massive that I just, you know. Gotcha. And you said it was swaying there. When you saw it swaying, what did you do after that? Did you just high-tail it out there?

Did you get in a truck and leave? Or did you see it leave? Yeah. Well, when I've seen him swaying, I had already. he fled the woods. But that's when he was like beside me. Like for every step I took, I could hear and feel every step he took. And he stayed with me the whole time.

But now that I'm telling you this story, maybe there was more than one. What makes you think that? I just, because if he was probably another, oh, I would say he was probably 75, 80 yards away. And if something stayed with me side by side, then how did it get back to that 75 yards? You know what I'm saying? So maybe there's more and more. That's interesting.

I guess we'll never really know for sure. No. And that's why I keep trying to keep up and get out there as much as possible. I just, I have so many, there's, like I said, have so many questions. Sure. Now, you said that you weren't into this whole big,

Bigfoot thing before this. So literally since August last year, your whole world's been turned upside down and you now went from not even caring about the topic to actually not only caring, but knowing that they exist. Where do you go from here? I mean, what are you doing with this new information? I don't know. I don't know. I guess just what I'm doing and that's just trying to find out as much as humanly possible. about what I can about them, you know, and learn about them and maybe join without harming them, help protect them.

I'm still in this state where, I mean, I know 100% that they are there, but at the same time, I'm still so hesitant because, you know, how do you just go out in public and state that this is what I saw and this is what they are, and who cares what you think or say, you know, because let's face the public opinion can be cruel. Absolutely. So I guess you're just at a standstill right now trying to figure out your own next steps here. I know you've been on Facebook now. Your Facebook account that you have, you started that particularly because you were looking into this whole Bigfoot thing, right?

Yeah, just for you guys. I hooked up with Dave Groves, and he put me in touch with you. you guys are the only two that I've been talking to. As you know, I was talking to you. I took a trip out to Dubois, Pennsylvania, Emporium. So then out there that's laid me up now for quite some time, which is making me crazy because I can't get in the woods. But that was an encounter with something,

and I can't tell you it was a big point. And I'm not going to jump on a bandwagoner. Well, yes, it was. Most definitely I could tell, by the way, the air smelled. But I can tell you that the animal that I was on was very nervous. service. Could have been a mountain line, could have been a bobcat, and now I'm going to be down for who knows how long because of a back injury. But that's what I was out there to do because I do a lot of fishing out there. And now that I've had my encounter on the farm, I'm starting to think about encounters that I've had at other places where the hair stood up on the back of my neck or a rock has hit the water or go flying over to camp. you know, it's really enlightening me to a lot of things that I've just dismissed as,

oh, well, it's a black bear, oh, well, it's a squirrel. Do you understand what I'm saying? Absolutely. It makes you rewind everything that you've experienced and try to think is anything out of the normal, and if it is, is it explainable or not? Right. Like when you're fishing with your buddies at the lake, and you're like, the other's jacking around throwing them rocks in the water, stop,

but you're going to scare them fish. And all your buddies are like, wait, throwing a rocks. What are you talking about? And that's happened a few times, you know. You know, Tom, you're not the only person either. That's a very common story that I hear, that a lot of people hear, that they're fishing. And something or someone in their mind, it's somebody's throwing rocks at them, and it's ticking them off.

And they start yelling into the woods. Whoever's back there, not going off, you know. On a previous show, I talked to a lady who was fishing. I believe it was the Allegheny River, and they had rocks. flying into the point that they had a run out of there because the rocks were flying in so heavy. So, I mean, it's definitely a common thing. Now, I don't know, you know, what the reasoning is for that. You know, you can only theorize as to why that's happening. You know, maybe it's their dinner time and they want to eat food and you're preventing them from doing that. Maybe they don't want you there, so they just want to chase you out. I don't know. But throwing rocks is something that always gets my attention.

I mean, I absolutely get fascinated with this whole rock-throwing thing because humans throw rocks. Yeah. Bears don't throw rocks. Cougars don't throw rocks. Bobcats don't throw rocks. Yeah. What else can throw a rock?

And squirrels only drop nuts. They don't throw nuts. They drop. Right. So, I mean, when it comes to throwing rocks, it really narrows down your possibilities as to what is doing that. Sure. Sure.

And the places that we fish are so, a note, like for a native brook trail, you know, those are natural ice feet up there. Some of those grinds we take for six hours on horseback to get back there. So I know the local locals aren't back on the off in water. So that makes it even more like, wow, you know. But I've never, up to this point, I've never, ever thought about Bigfoot. So you said that you have, you found a nest on, I guess one, one of the, of your properties, and you never really thought it was Bigfoot.

And from what I understand, you're not really attributing it to Bigfoot right now, but you're just finding it curious because of its characteristics. Is that correct? Yes, yes. It's on an old strip mine with the intermine, so it's all overgrown. And it's in the kind of pine tree that has a really long needle. And the limbs have grown down onto the ground, and they've folded over. And it's like there's some limbs that piled up inside, so it's made like a cavern.

in the inside. And I thought to myself, boy, that would be a really good place to close up in their season when it was super cold because that thing will block the wind. Well, since my, you know, sometimes I would walk up on it and it was like eminent danger. Get out of there, flee, something's wrong. You don't want to be around that. Other times I've walked up on it and looked inside and looked around and there's no problem. Now, since my encounter, I want to, let's go. I want to believe that's a mess.

Can I tell you that it is? Most definitely not, because I don't know. You know, sometimes I can get there and it's fine, and I plan on investigate that. But like I said, I've busted myself up pretty good, so I'm not able to get off the field at home now. But as soon as I am, that's the first thing I'm going on, investigate. Yeah, now, that's definitely interesting there. And I know you said that you've only been in communication with us about this stuff. As soon as you're not laid up anymore, I would definitely be interested in getting out to that area with you.

We have recently set up investigation teams throughout the state, and I might be able to have a couple people meet up with you down there if I can't. But that's an area that I definitely want to get out to, whether it's me or one of the investigation teams, so you could show the area around. Yeah, I would love to have you guys out there. Now, let me ask you a question. This is a little off topic, but you did bring it up. You said, I forget in reference to what it was, but you mentioned about mountain line. Were you in Pennsylvania when you were thinking it's not a mountain line? Because one of the things that has been brought to my attention recently is that a lot of people are claiming that they've seen mountain line in Pennsylvania, even though the State Game Commission says that there are no mountain line.

I'm just wondering, have you ever seen a mountain line in Pennsylvania? in Pennsylvania. And that's pretty much why I said that. And I've seen more up in, like, the Dew Boys area. But where we're at down here, we had a mountain lion tear a fauna part right in our driveway. And I knew it was a mountain lion because I measured the tracks and took pictures of the tracks. And again, Connions said, no, that's not a mountain lion. I know it was a mountain lion.

You know, I've been around animals enough for my life to tell what they were, you know. and I've heard Mount Lions in the woods up in Phorian before. So, you know, when I hear, if I hear something at night that doesn't make sense, I can tell you if it's a Bogat or if it's a coyote or if it's two tunes fighting or two foxes fighting. I know my sound's pretty good, you know. And they have a distinct growl to them at night when you hear them going mating season. So, yeah, I've seen them in Pennsylvania. I find that interesting.

It's something that I think about a lot because if they're covering up mountain line being in the state, I don't understand why they would do that. But that in itself makes you wonder, not wonder, but kind of almost validate in your mind that if they're willing to not acknowledge a simple species like Mountain Line in Pennsylvania, then surely they'd have plenty of reason not to acknowledge the idea that there's Sasquatch. our state or any state. Oh, most definitely. I've said all along, I can't believe that a Forest Ranger

or has not seen a fast watch for as much time as they spend in the wilderness. To me, it's impossible. They have had to see something sometimes. You know, the odds are better with this, maybe other than a police officer on IT. You would think

they would have to see something. Yeah, I would think so, too. I mean, I just, it's just something doesn't seem right about that. And, you know, well, I mean, the whole topic isn't right. I mean, these things aren't supposed to exist, you know, to common knowledge, these things, you know, they don't exist. And yet here we are talking about it. And you're one of many people. I was going to say, sorry, and I hate the Buster Bubble, what, they do exist.

And I can tell you 100% that they do. And here we are. We're talking about something that we believe, well, for me, it would be believed. because I've never seen one, but you know that they exist. And the general public says, no, they don't exist. And you're crazy for saying that. So, I mean, we're definitely fighting an uphill battle here. But the more people like you who come forward and say, yes, I've seen a Sasquatch who, yes, I've seen a UFO, I've seen this, that, or the other, the more, I think people will feel more comfortable coming forward and saying, yeah, you know what, I've seen that too.

With Sasquatch in general, we have to try to create an environment that people feel comfortable coming forward and talking. Most definitely. That's kind of one of my missions with everything that I do in this realm. I try to create a community and an environment for people to come forward and feel comfortable knowing that it's okay to talk about these things. Yes. And you know, I think you do a very good job because I was so... afraid to say anything. And then I talked like I told you.

I talked to Dave Rose and then I talk to you. And you guys have been so excellent at making me feel like it's okay to tell my story. There isn't going to be any ridicule or, you know, I'm so afraid to tell somebody that's going to be like, you're freaking crazy they're going to send out the guys

with the butterfly and have to just straight jackets. And, you know, because I didn't, I'm not telling my story for any kind of recognition. I can care less who knows my name or knows my face. I needed to tell my story because I had to tell somebody who knew what I was talking about for some validation in my own mind, somebody who was a little more advanced than what they're doing,

that knew if I told my story, they would know the characteristics of how it happened while I was telling you. So it kind of put me. me or the years a little bit, you know, and he did a very good job of that. Oh, well, I appreciate that, man. I just, I enjoy hearing the stories and I enjoy, uh, just creating the platform for other people to, you know, come forward and talk about these things. You know, one thing I wanted to ask you, before we get out of here, uh, you said the female was, was running, right? Yeah. Yeah, kind of a thicker oak down the hill and she crossed the gap line where I was six. And then they'd

the bank kind of sloped back up and then down into some old Spanish olives, excuse me, and then into a lake bed. So when I seen her, she was just entering the gas line, but she kept looking back, and when I turned my scope up on 12, I did see her acknowledge that I was there on the gas line.

She knew I was there. But when I pulled my scope up to look, I never even bothered looking at her face. You know, I just checked her body because that's the first thing you would do with a deal. And I never made it up past her chest. You know, what can I say? Her breast stopped me.

You know, I mean, that was the most distinguishing characteristic of her that I could see. And like I told you, they were moving independently. It wasn't like both went to the left, both went to the right, you know. One went one way, one went the other way. And she was definitely afraid. fleeing that area off to the left of me heading into the right. It makes me wonder just what was she fleeing, because if you got the feeling that she knew you were there,

yet she was willing to expose herself to you by running away from something else, it makes me wonder what she was running from if somebody, a hunter, had seen her. Did you hear any guns before that go off? Yeah, yeah, that was a lot of shooting, not that. A lot of shooting. Okay, she's probably really special.

poop then. Sure. Where she was heading, then nobody would ever find her down in there. It's like 9 to 10 foot high, Spanish Island. And if you've ever encountered that stuff, it kind of folds over like the tunnel. And you would have to be a jackrabbit to get through there or a hound log, you know. And that's where she was heading. And so, exactly, that's where that big loop came from the next morning I was out hunt is down in that bottom.

And I attribute, you know, I was a little harvest at first one back there. But when I heard that whoop, it almost put me at ease, like, we know you're there. You know, like, that's cool. At least in my mind, that's what I attribute it. Yeah, I can see how that would happen. I think I've gotten a whoop on audio once, but in the moment, I've never heard it. Like, we were recording, and we didn't hear the whoop there. But when I was reviewing the audio, I heard it.

And it was really faint. And so it's hard for me to say I ever heard a whoop. I hear something on my recording that sounded like a whoop. But in person out there, I've never acknowledged one live. But yeah, I mean, it's interesting that you got that feeling that they were just acknowledging that you're there, letting you know that they're there. I wonder if that's an area that they're kind of just hanging out in right now. If it's because it's so thick and hard to get to that they're just hanging there because of, you know, being hunting season. Right. And there's plenty of food there. We got rabbits. We got peasants. We got deer. They have a place to hide. We never go there.

When I was a kid, I used to play back in there. I would say two weeks out of the years, visited the rest of the time. We don't even bother with it. So they're unmolested in that area pretty much 12 months out of the year, minus two weeks. I can't wait to get you guys out here and have you guys investigate. because there's so much I want to show you, you might want to run a hotel for a month or so. Well, you know, I'll have to talk to work about that and see if I can take a month hiatus. But I'm thinking the answer is going to be no, especially when I tell them I'm hunting Bigfoot. Sure, cool. Well, Tom, I really appreciate you talking to me, and I think the audience is going to really enjoy this episode. Is there anything you want to say before we head out?

Yeah, you know what? Um, just for everybody who sees this, and isn't like a hunter or interested, when you see this thing, don't double guess yourself. You know, um, your eyes aren't playing tricks on you. They are out there to hurt you. They're out there to survive just like the rest of us. There's no need to shoot them. Live and let live.

That's what I say. And enjoy the fact that you can look for them and learn from them. Right on, man. Well, thanks for coming on. We definitely look forward to getting out there and seeing the area that you're in. All right, man? Yep, sounds good. Thank you so much for having me on.

You got it, man. I'll talk to you soon. Sounds good. Well, everybody, I really hope you enjoyed the show tonight. I really enjoyed making it, and I really enjoyed talking to Tom. Before we get out of here, I just want to let you know when I was recording that interview, my studio was not set up the way it is now. And that's why the audio sounded funny.

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