The Confessionals - 130: The Forgotten Graveyard

Episode Date: May 28, 2019

Today we have Norm coming on the show to share his many experiences from The Confessionals home start of Pennsylvania! He shares different things including a haunted graveyard he explored back in high school. It seems this haunted graveyard have a very unusual effect on animals in the area. Home with us as we talk about mysterious Pennsylvania! Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaISubscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail]: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcastTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelShow Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUwShow Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3Show Art: Alika Spahn Naihe (www.hauoliart.com)Audio Trailer: Dalton Boyd (www.soundcloud.com/supernova-city)Outro Music: No Mercy by Joseph J. Jones

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant. Well, the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this.

Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Spicer got spurson when he got about... And I look over and there are two small gray entities. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing. A monster.

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very much. Now, this week we have Norm coming on. And Norm actually is from my home state of Pennsylvania. And he's had a lot of paranormal experiences. And one of the things that he talks about is this kind of forgotten graveyard that he went to go visit to one night. And some crazy things happened. So let's get into it right now. I was in high school. So you're talking mid-90s. So there's usually about three or four of us. There were several people that mentioned,

oh, if you guys are looking for something really cool, go out to this graveyard. It's, you know, I sort of haunted. And, you know, so we had heard this from three people, three different people that didn't know each other. And this is the age before, you know, the internet and everything, you know. So communication was just basically. verbal.

So, Hong, we gotta check this place out, you know? And we would stay out late back then, you know. And he would usually drive his car up and we'd get up and we found the graveyard. And it's got it, it was like an old church, but I don't even know if they used this church anymore. So this is like 12, 31 o'clock at night. He would drive out. And we would stop and we would just check it out.

You know, we were too chicken to get out or anything. And we just wanted to check it out. you know, hey, we're going to see anything enough. And we would look, there were blinds in each of these windows. So we would go out, we'd come back around, maybe stop the gas station, take another pass past it, maybe half hour later. These blinds were different. The one blind was pulled, the other one's up.

We'd come back, they're the opposite. And we're like, wait a second, wasn't those blinds, wasn't that one over there? And then we're thinking, oh, maybe we're just imagining, maybe they were like that. leave, come back another hour later, all three blinds are up. So we're like something's going on. It hits the gas when we were out of that. Okay, today we have a great guest coming on. We have Norm, and Norm is actually a patron of the show.

So Norm, how you doing, man? Hi, Tony. Good. Good, man. So you've had a lot of different experiences throughout your life here. They all lean towards the paranormal and stuff. But so, you know, I was trying to think about how we were going to go about telling these stories and different things like that. And I, even though like your graveyard story is probably the thing that stuck out to me the most, I want you to just kind of run things through chronologically.

So the audience gets to kind of see a picture of the progression of your life and stuff leading up to certain events. Yeah, absolutely. Sounds good. All right, buddy. So stars from the beginning and explain to us, you know, the first thing that you've ever really experienced when it's, you know, comes to the paranormal. Okay. First thing that I ever experienced, this was going back, we're talking early 80s.

So I was probably about, I'm thinking at fourth grade. I don't have a definite, you know, age. I talked to my mom about it because, you know, I don't even think she really remembers but it was somewhere in the early 80s. So I had two of my friends over at my parents' house at the time. And we were having a sleepover, you know, staying up late. I think it was like a Friday or Saturday night, you know, there was no score or anything. So we were kind of hopped up on pop and pizza and staying up late watching movies.

And I can remember that my mom is, you know, like, come on, guys, you know, it's time to get to bed, you know. Guys are going to be up half the night. So I know it was late. And usually my parents, you know, would stay up late because my dad at the time worked at midnight shift. and usually he was sleep during the day. And usually for the majority of times, you know, on the weekend, stay up late because his body was used to that schedule. So I can remember that, you know, we were in the living room at the time and the lights were

out. My mom kept coming out and saying, hey, you know, we want to go to sleep. You know, you guys need to calm down, turn the TV off, try to get some sleep. So I know for them, usually they were up to about one or two in the morning, you know, going to bed. So they were in bed trying to get some sleep. So I know we were really up late, you know, horsing around and drinking. I can remember we had two liters of pop. We were just down and just being kids and everything. So, you know, so, um, so we were, I can remember we were throwing, like paper. We had some paper. We were bawling up and kind of throwing tossing back and forth.

And one of my friends, he was making like paper airplanes and he was throwing and, and, you know, we just have, for some reason, we just happened to look over. I don't know if it was one of them or me, but I remember looking and we all, at the same time, in my doors, my doors on my parents' house, they were like a double door and they were like almost like a picture window. It was all glass, but it had kind of like a window pane sort of thing going through it, but you could see from, you know, top to bottom. And these were big doors, probably about six foot, six and a half foot. I don't know how big they were. But at the very, very top of the window,

there were what appeared to be two red glowing eyes. I mean, like, illuminated, like, it wasn't any shine from anything. But it was, you know, crystal clear what it was. They were eyes, and they were looking into the window. So, of course, they freaked out, started yelling. I got up, ran to my mom and dad's bedroom. You know, this time, I think they had just had enough of it because we were carrying on so much, I'm like, there's something out there, something out there.

Of course, you know, by the time my mom gets out of bed, puts her glasses on, walks out, there's nothing there. You know, she's putting the lights on. She looks outside. She opens up the door. And, you know, all of us were all freaked out. And, you know, being that we were younger, she's probably just thinking that we're just seeing stuff, making stuff up, you know, just being kids. That would be the first experience. But going back to that, story, the two red eyes that were looking in, I mean, if somebody asked me what they were, I would say eyes. They were placed very high at the door. So whoever or whatever it was looking in our door had to be tall. And, you know, at the very top of the door, now, at this age,

my friend, I'm still friends with him to this day, he had two sisters. And, you know, I'd always thought, well, maybe it was somebody playing a joke, but I don't think anybody would come up, two o'clock in the morning, especially like my good friends, two sisters, because they were off doing other things. And I don't think they knew at the time that he was, you know, staying over or if they'd even put the effort into even Karen. The other kid, he was a childhood friend. He had younger brothers. So, and I don't even think his parents really knew exactly, they knew where my house was, but I don't think anybody, you know, because we, I'd run this through. my head millions of times trying to figure out what it could have possibly been. And back in the 1980s, like, there's not a lot of technology like they have now. I mean, you go to the Halloween store right now and you can find a mask that the lights light up and, you know, they have all kind of different effects and everything. But back in the 80s, I know back in that time, we had like the cheap plastic, like the vacuum formed masks, with the gum bands on them. And I don't think we really had too much elaborate sort of things like that, you know, back around this time.

So, I mean, we were all convinced, I mean, we all, you know, for several weeks later, you know, going to school and playing and stuff, you know, we were always talking about, you know, what was that, you know? Now, the next day my mom went out and she looked around, she didn't notice anything. It was, I believe, during school or, I know it wasn't like snow, so there was no way you could see tracks or anything. There wasn't anything that she noticed that was weird. And the other thing about my house, now this is what I've always thought about, too.

We had a porch at the time on my house. And when my friends would come over and I would run up the steps, this porch would vibrate the whole house. And my dad would work midnight and my mom was constantly yelling at me and telling, you know, my friends, when they come trudging up the steps, trying to take it easy. Because it's like, I don't know, you know, it was an older house. house, it would like echo through the house and it would always wake my dad up, like running up the steps. So even if it was someone playing games, they wouldn't have known about the steps because if you kind of run up, you can hear it echo through the house. And we never heard anything at this time. We never heard just anything. We just happened to look over. It was like almost like we knew something was watching us. Like you get that feeling like somebody's there and you just happen to look and we all kind of looked at the same time.

now as far as this thing like if it made an echo you know from the steps leaving we don't know because they were young on and i ran so unless this thing whatever it was or this person or whatever vaulted over the porch was what which is like about a seven foot drop so i don't know but i always found that fascinating because no you know and even if the uPS guy would come around you know he'd hear him clomping up the steps you'd have to like kind of be very you know you know easy walking up the steps, especially when my dad, because I was always getting yelled out about that. So that's what I always found fascinating that whatever came up or whoever came up the steps, we didn't hear anything.

So, and what's really fascinating, Tony, during this time, we had a lot of paranormal kind of like big foot sightings around here. And Stan Gordon, I've heard you mention him. was notorious for, you know, the Pennsylvania, they had to have conventions, and I'd heard of him. But we, during these years, we had a lot of activity. I would hear it from my dad, you know, he'd come home from work, and a lot of guys around this area all worked together at this foundry, and I would hear about, oh, yes, I'm seeing this down here and that. And I went back on the Stan Gordon's website one time, and you can go back into his archives. I don't know if it's still there, but quite some time ago

and all these around this period there was a lot of big foot activity that was tied to this area which I find very fascinating also

around this time now I think this was after this happened I don't believe it happened before it about a mile and a half down the road I went to school with a girl I'm friends with her

I mean on Facebook I don't really talk to her but she was like a straight A student we were in grade school. I mean, she should tell on you if you did anything wrong or anything. So she was, you know, like one of those people that she didn't get in any kind of trouble or anything. She had a sister and I guess the mother were at the house. And, you know, the husband, I guess he was a state police officer. So anyway, I guess supposedly they spotted a big foot sitting on a pile of logs behind their house, got up and walked off. And the reason I know about this is because I believe it was on the local news here.

And I mean, we were all really freaked out at that time. I mean, after all that happened, I mean, we were afraid to go out at night. And, you know, if I'd go visit my friends back in these days, you would, you know, I don't know how it was Tony when you were younger, but back then you would go. And from the minute the sun rose, and then when the sun would start going down, you'd hear people's parents holler in their name. And, you'd hide now at home. or you get in trouble.

But I can remember when the sun would go down, I would high tell it to the house because, you know, I had that memory of that bigfoot. So I guess in my head, you know, with all this happening, you know, and hearing about bigfoot sightings, I guess I kind of just assumed it may have been a bigfoot or something. I never thought that, you know, the years since, you know, there's the dog man, the moth man, you know,

I don't know if they have, I've heard that they say about Bigfoot have like red eyes or something. And I heard also about Moth Man having glowing eyes. Or who knows, maybe it was like, you know, a spirit or something. But in my mind, it always struck me as it was like a Bigfoot or something that was looking in. That's what I had entrenched in my mind. I mean, I just, I guess I never really thought anything else. I guess we just automatically thought it was Bigfoot because we had just so much activity at that time. through the 80s, like, it was like the early 80s through the mid-80s.

We had a lot of activity around here. You know, you would hear just, and this is before the internet and, you know, everything. You would just hear stories. Oh, yeah. So-and-so said, you know, he's bought it something back there. And if I'm correct, I think there used to be a guy up over the hill that would shoot at it. I don't know. But my dad would tell me these stories and I'd hear from, you know, my friends' dad, you know, just some stories like that, you know.

but that was the first thing that I ever really encountered like that I mean as far as paranormal goes I think there was a show that in search of with Leonard Nimoy that we used to watch and there wasn't too many ghost shows but I mean

you know I might have seen Bigfoot on that but I started hearing about all this stuff going on around here so I don't know for some reason I just kind of think it may have been tied to Bigfoot I don't know I still is still to this day, I still have no idea what I was looking at. Now, it's funny, one of the kids that was at the sleepover, he moved away, you know, a few years after that, and I have no idea where he went or anything.

The other kid that I grew up with, he was like a childhood friend. He actually works with me, so we're still friends to this day. And a few years back, he goes, remember those eyes that looked into your door? And I just, I got shocked. I was like, oh, my God, you still remember that? And he's like, yeah, I'm like, that did happen, didn't it? He's like, yeah. He's like, remember you, you know, you ran and got your mom and I had just, it's like, kind of like it happened, but

it's, when you experience something like that, it's almost like you don't talk about it too much. It's kind of weird, you know? Almost like it's just, it doesn't make sense. Like, we never really talked about it much. But, yeah, he has, you know, great memory of it. And he said, yeah, there was two red eyes looking at in your door.

And I'm like, wow, I was like, I thought, you know, so it's obviously just not me seeing things. You know, for us being kids and just imagining things. Yeah, at least it's confirmation for you. Yeah. So what that was, I'll never know. But I guess you could kind of say that, you know, at the time, for a long time, I kind of just thought maybe it was a Bigfoot or something because we'd heard so much about Bigfoot around this area. and you know it just still doesn't make any sense how it was so quiet coming up the porch or and that's what I mean like we didn't have any other you know we were younger then it's not like we were anybody was up to any kind of like you know teenage kind of like horseplay and screwing around and you know I mean we were young and I don't think anybody's ever done anything like that and I don't even know if they had that technology back then I'm sure they had some sorts of lights but I mean these were play and they just like they were eyes, you know, and they were at the very top of the door.

And I believe that door, I mean, none of us, my family, we're a little shorter, but none of us, you know, can reach the top of that door. So I'm going to say it's, you know, six foot at least to top of that door at the time. Yeah, I mean, most doors, most doors are taller than six feet. I mean, I'm six feet, and I usually have like a good six to eight inches before I hit the top of the doorway. So, I mean, you're talking about something pretty tall. Yeah, I'm just guesstimate. I'm sure it was. Probably just your standard door size, but I mean, it was like glass, and it was at the very top of it. And even then, it's like, well, how would somebody be even that tall, you know? I mean, you know, it just didn't make any sense. And, you know,

I don't, I've always wondered, I don't think there was any kind of things like that back then. I know now they have all sorts of stuff, but I, you know, besides your typical flashlight and stuff like that, I just don't really think there was anything like that. But that was one of my first encounters, and that happened early 80s.

I'm going to say probably, oh, is that 83 maybe, 82, 83, something like that. I'm just guessing. here. I never, you know, I have really no idea. Somewhere around there. And that's when all that Bigfoot stuff was going on. Now, a few years after that, and then with all the stories, and then there was the state cop's wife and two daughters that had the story with them citing a Bigfoot, I can remember

laying in my bedroom and the window was open. Now, back then, I didn't know a lot about Bigfoot. and, you know, like listening to Bigfoot shows and, you know, things on TV and Internet and everything, they say about those howls and those screams. Well, I had heard, it was a school night. I remember laying in my room and I had a window open. And it sounded like a woman who was screaming like bloody murder. And this was like in the middle of the night. And I was scared.

I didn't know what to think. I thought maybe just somebody was out, you know, carrying on, partying or something. but the more I heard it, it sounded like a girl, like a woman screaming. And then, you know, I never know what to make of that. It was freaky. And then years later,

I've heard people mention that on, you know, maybe your show, West's show or something, and then heard recordings, which is similar to that, which would be a big foot. And around that area, that went way back. We had like a, there used to be an old coal mine back, behind my house, it goes down by a river and train tracks, and there's nothing but woods

back that way, which would even make it, you know, make you scratch your head at the time because there was nobody in that vicinity living for so many miles, and who would be out in the middle of nowhere, screaming at the middle of the night, you know, it was really freaky,

and I remember that. But those are some things that happened when I was young. And that's the, you know, I never seen anything after that, you know, looking at my parents' door, no one else in the neighborhood, you know, that I've ever heard of at anything like that. They've no idea what that was.

None. I'll probably never know, you know. And I guess I just kind of, something like that that happens, you just don't really think too much about it, I guess, because you don't know what to make of it. You know, it's kind of weird. And then, of course, if you tell anybody, then people just make it like it's a joke, you know? Right. I mean, that's the problem with a lot of this stuff is that, you know, it's not like something you can just go around talking and trying to find answers about because most people are going to look at you like 10 heads.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I haven't really told, I haven't really told anybody this story. And I was talking to my mom. I said that I was going to come on the show. And I said, you remember that? She goes, I think. She's like, are you sure?

I'm like, yeah. I said that, you know, but this was a long time ago. And she's like, oh, she's like, I think maybe you mentioned something one time. But I don't know. But that's ever since that, and then it's like, and even if you go on to Scan Gord's website, if he still has his archives on there, it's like it dissipated, you know, maybe from like the mid-80s on. And it's like, so if there are big foot or anything like that, it's almost like maybe they just move around. And it was like those years that was in our area.

We also had a pizza shop down there too between my house and that state cop's wife. so maybe it was hitting the dumpster up for food, you know, maybe that's the only thing I can think of, you know. Because we live out in the country, there's really nothing out here. So, I mean, I don't know. But that would be the first encounter that I have for the first story. Now, leading into the second one, I moved into this hospital. I grew up with my parents next door. We had a very close friend of the family who was older and he passed away.

We got the house and then I got it and moved it. So I live next door to my parents, but he passed away, and this is a very old house too. I'm probably, it's got to be about 100 years old. I mean, you try to do any kind of work in here and put Nels into the wood. It just, the Nell just like turns over. The wood's so old. I mean, they got it from the sawmills and, you know, just from the trees back then. Yeah.

So that's how old this house is. So I ended up, I didn't move in there until 2000. So he passed away in 1995. So there was like a five-year window where my parents got the house because he didn't have a lot of family that lived around here. And, you know, they had to. do whatever and they got it because he kind of left it to them and everything but i don't want to get too personal but that's kind of what happened and for several years you know they just kind of would maintain it look keep on the upkeep of it just check everything out once in a while but for the most part

for five years there it was just locked up so i worked second shift uh before i went to first that i work now. So this has got to be late 90s and 98, at least 98, because that's when I started a second shift. So I would come home and my dad was on his midnight shift and my mom is usually in bed and I would, you know, get something to eat or something or go out on the porch or, you know, whatever. And I did smoke back then. So usually I would go out on the, my parents' porch and smoke a cigarette. So the one night, I just happened to look over and the house would be on your right side that I'm in now. And there was like an exterior light that would come on, one of those lights that come on when the sun goes down to just keep watch on it, but there was nothing off.

I think they had the electricity shut off. I'm not sure. I happen to look up and you can see the bathroom from their house. And I happen to notice a light in the bathroom. So I thought it was a, we have a hill and cars come down. Sometimes the cars will shine like into the windows as they're coming down. Sometimes you'll see it before you see the car. So I just assumed it was a car. So I kind of looked back and I just seen one light. I didn't see two and I was like,

well, that's funny. I wonder if somebody's out walking around maybe in the neighborhood, you know, because it's like it reflects from the neighborhood. I'm looking around. I don't see anything. And, you know, it was probably midnight. because I can get home until, you know, 1130 or something. I'm looking around, looking around.

I'm not making anything of it. And I kept looking over and trying to figure out what this light is. And I'm like, I walked off the porch. I'm looking up the hill. I don't see any cars. I don't see anybody like in their driveway. And there's not a whole lot of houses around here either. I didn't see anybody walking around.

So then I came back up with the porch. And I'm watching. And you could see, like they had. tear curtains in there, so you could kind of see through it. And what I've seen was just, it looked like an orb, a classic orb. So I'm watching this, and the orb is moving. I'm seeing it move around in the bathroom. And it's like it, it was almost like pulsating.

It's like it lost some power, and then it got more, it got brighter, then it got a little bit. But this thing was moving. Like it was like moving within that room. It was, and I keep looking and I'm like, what in the world is this? And I could kind of see the inside of the bathroom illuminated because I came off the porch and, you know, made way through the house and I'm a big chicken and stuff. I wasn't getting close to it. You know, I don't know what's going on. But, you know, I mean, I was concerned because I, you know, if somebody broke in the house or something,

I was going to tell my. mom, but nothing. I mean, it was like this thing, and it moved high, very high, then it came low, and it just kind of just shifted around in there. And it just, it's like it, when it went out, it, it didn't like just shut off. It just kind of like it, uh, it like slowly faded out. Then it got real bright. And I was like, I couldn't believe what I was saying.

I was like, that's got to be an orb or something. I mean, the first thing, it's got to be a spirit. That's the only thing I could think. Now, you know, I've seen some ghost shows, so I, but that wasn't my first reaction on what I thought I was looking at, but very, very strange. And I kind of said to myself, well, maybe it's just his spirit in this house, you know. I kind of got weird at that.

I never said anything to my mom about it. I did, you know, in the, you know, I didn't see anybody around. You'd hear cars coming and this, we have, like a dead end drive. So it wasn't like anybody was in the house. I didn't do anything. And the next day I walked up, nobody's around. You know, so I just never really said anything because I figured my mom before I would think

that was crazy or something. My mom, she doesn't really believe in any of that stuff. So, you know, she goofs on me about Bigfoot and, you know, stuff like that. So I only wanted to the club. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, you know, oh, well, you know, if there's a Bigfoot out there, how come he's never been found or, oh, you know, ghosts, I'm sure it's just, you know,

it's an old house settling in. Yeah, I understand that. And I'm not somebody that jumps the gun thinking it's something else. You know, I kind of, I don't know. What I seen that night, there was a second thing that I seen that was very bizarre. I mean, could it have been something else? I have no idea, but this thing was like it was in the bathroom, illuminating it.

And it was like, it was so hard to describe. Like, it was like it was given off a glow and it would fade. Then it would get very bright. So I just kind of figured at the time, I'm like, maybe that's a ghost,

you know, I mean, and I mean, I'm not one to, you know, think that they don't exist. I think that there's so much out there and so many people were seeing things.

There's got to be something to it, you know. So that happened. And then when I moved in in 2000, and this place was, you know, it needed a lot of work. It still needs a lot of work. It's a little house.

But, you know, we just got the bare essentials, a couch and everything, and a TV, and, you know, so I would still work in second shift. And a lot of times on Saturday mornings, I would sleep because I would stay up half the night

on second shift. You'd stay up half the night and then sleep half the day, and I would go, hurry up and get my car and go to work. So usually on Saturdays, I would stay in bed until about 11, 30, 12. And then I'd be up, you know, probably like two, three in the morning and, you know, to be on that cycle. So it seems like, and it's very bizarre, it seemed like it was only on the weekends I heard that.

But I'd be in my bedroom and there used to be a porch here. We had a very old porch that I tore off and put another small porch on. But the person that lived here, you know, that passed away, always would be on the porch, walking around and, you know, he was an older guy and drink a beer or something, or he'd be a real-old-old-easy-going guy to talk to and everything. I would hear on this porch, I would hear, like, what I only could be described as, like, just somebody shuffling around on the porch. And I could hear it playing a state because the window's right there, and I'd look out,

and I would always think it was, like, maybe one of my friends coming over, or my mom stopping up to see how I'm doing or something. But there'd never be anybody, and it's really crazy, Tony, because it was like in the middle of the day and the sun would come in so it wasn't like I was scared or anything but I would always it's just like you would hear somebody

just kind of casually shuffling around in the porch and this was an older porch so if you move you can hear it and it just sound you know I mean many many times I heard it I never really heard it much during a week which I found weird

because I would sleep in and then I would get up and get ready to go to work to be there two. I never heard it, but it seemed like it was always on Saturday morning. You would just hear this casually, just casually shuffling around. And I found that very strange, but, you know, I never seen anything, but I just, I could never, never figure it out. And I, you know, I have an old attic and everything, but it's not like anything fell or anybody was up there.

There's only one entrance to the attic and it's through my bedroom. So, I mean, what was that? I don't know. I mean, it just sounded like someone would just casually shuffling around on the porch. So, I mean, I would say it's sound like footsteps, you know, and I mean, even that I just kind of forgot. I never said anything to anybody, you know, because it's, I mean, who's going to listen to you? Who's going to believe you? And I was just there at the time, so, I mean, it just, I just never brought it up. That happened. And then I did send you. the picture. I don't know if you still have it, but for Father's Day, my son got me a, I like the Universal Monsters, the Bella Lagosie Dracula figure. And if any of your listeners want to look it up,

it's a Jack's Pacific. It was made by Jack's Pacific, and I think it came out in the mid-2000s. And it's like a figure, it comes with like a little casket and everything, and it has like an archway with a bat that hangs on a little like rubber sort of springy

gum band sort of thing and I would put I still to this day put him up on my entertainment

stand and he'd always fall over so what I would do is I would kind of wedge his head under that

archway and because my son at that time was younger he'd be running around and everything would

fall over so I'd make sure that that would be snug and secure and wouldn't fall over so I can remember I was sitting here in my letter room,

Fourth of July to be, I remember it like it was yesterday. It was fourth of July. So this was probably 2005, I'm thinking, because I think that came out in 2004 when that Van Helsing movie came out, something like that. And those figures came out, and I wanted them. And, you know, my mom and son went and got it for me for Father's Day. So it was Fourth of July.

I remember my parents were next door. I was looking out the window. and they had some people while there were, some company and stuff and they were looking in the garden and everything.

And I was sitting there watching TV. Well, my Dracula figure was to my right on my entertainment stand and out of the peripheral

vision, I seen something go flying, and I looked straight over and my Dracula was laying face down. The bat was swinging. Like,

it's like it just didn't fall over. It's like something went up and smacked it real hard. And it, It fell, you know, it fell, like, went flying down, like, and I was, it alarmed in me, but again, I wasn't scared because, okay, maybe, maybe it just, the pressure, maybe it kind of, like, just wobbled out and fell, but it fell really hard and really fast, and that makes it, you know, it was, it was almost like something hit it. And then I'm thinking, okay, well, maybe it's just a, you know, Tony, I would always kind of look at it, like, okay, what could it have been, you know, like, was it a mouse that ran through there?

Well, I don't know if a mouse would be able to dislodge that because I've since put it up since it happened and like kind of tapped it. And you've got to like smack this thing to get it to fall out. But I remember that happened and I have no idea. It's one of the strangest things I've ever seen. But I've seen it just out of the corner of my eye like violently getting thrown down. You know, like something hit it. So, I mean, I wasn't really scared again because it was like broad daylight. And like I said, I remember it was on a 4th of July because I was off of work and I was sitting here watching TV.

And I remember I did tell my mom that. And of course, she said, well, it's probably just fell over, you know. So I just left it at that. Okay, it probably just fell over. And the only other things that I would hear stuff drop in other rooms, but again, I mean, could be anything. Who knows? You know, we had a duck. We got a duck soap dispenser.

and when you would press the head, it would quack. My son liked it, I liked it. So we were in a living room one day and we were watching TV, and this was all around this time, and we heard that duck quack. And he looks at me and I looked at him and he goes, do you hear that duck? And I'm like, I heard the duck.

So we got rid of the duck. I took the battery duck and everything. But again, I mean, could it have been maybe just, I don't know, maybe the battery acting up or something, but it was very strange, very, very strange. And it seems like everything came from that bathroom with the exception of a Dracula. I would always hear stuff falling, you know, over the years till even today. I mean, I haven't heard anything for a while, but it seems like stuff in my bathroom would always fall.

You know, like, and I said, well, maybe just the soap was in the shower, it fell over, my body wash. But then again, I mean, it wasn't really that wet, you know, like I just, but it seems like, and that's the same bathroom that I had witnessed that. orb, if that's what it was, you know, prior to moving in here. So, yeah, I just never, I just kind of wrote that off as like, well, maybe just, you know, who knows, you know, but that's the activity that I've had here. And I've never seen anything with a smoking gun other than the Dracula falling over. I still don't know how that happened. I really don't. So the eyes in the Dracula thing, those are two things that I'll.

never be able to explain and, you know, I kind of wonder just what it was, you know. Yeah, and with that Dracula thing, the way you described it, if just imagine there being somebody that you just can't see standing there, did it almost seem like it was like, like, like swatted off but also pushed down, like almost like it was thrown to the floor, because you described it almost as if it, like, seemed like it was forced, you know? Yeah, yeah, it was, it, I mean, it, my son, you know, he was young, he'd be throwing stuff in the house. he'd be running around.

He wasn't there at the time. He was next door. I was here by myself, so there was nobody around. But I would purposely put stuff and make sure anything valuable or anything or like the figure. The figures was always falling over.

And you could hear him fall over and you just go and pick him up. This was if somebody like just took their hand and smacked it violently. And it went flying. Like it hit real hard and went flying down on the floor. And the bat to the, was on the side in the archway, it was like, I can remember watching that swinging back

forever. So it's like almost like something really, like, you'd almost have to like somebody smack it because I've set it up before, you know, after that and tried to mimic what it did. And the only thing that would do that is if you took it and smacked it really hard. And, you know, because I thought, well, maybe this was an older house, you know, I've had nice in here before, maybe a mouse going. up there or something and ran through there and hid it. But where would the mouse go?

Because there's a backing to my entertainment span. You know, it just didn't make any sense. But yeah, like you were saying, it came out on the floor. So it's like it was lodged in there really tight. And this thing hadn't moved for a long time, you know. I mean, even with him jumping on the floor and jumping off the couch and throwing balls through here and everything, I mean, nothing like that ever happened. And I was just casually sitting there watching TV and this thing went flying.

I look up and, you know, I heard like a whack. I heard a noise. And then it was a Dracula laying on the floor. I don't know. I want to say about two feet out from my entertainment stand. And that bat that's in there was just swinging like violently, like something that hit it very, you know, for it to swing like that, you know, in that little archway that I have.

Yeah, I just, I could never figure that out. and those are, you know, those are the things that I've encountered in here in this house. I haven't encountered anything in quite a while, but I kind of figured that it may have been the person that was here that knew our family and knew me and everything. And I didn't look at it like, you know, if there are such a thing as ghosts, it didn't mean any harm. Maybe it was some sort of significance to it that it was worth of. July, and he didn't pass away on Fourth of July either. He passed away, I believe, in the fall. So maybe it was just, yeah, I don't know. Maybe just like San high or something. I don't know. Joking around. That's the only thing. I mean, I never felt any, any, any, you know, malicious or, you know,

anything like that. I mean, it shook me up there for a while, but didn't know what to make of it, but it didn't really like make me feel threatened or really scared. Not something like that would have happened at 2 o'clock in the morning. I'm sure all the lights would have been on and I probably would have ran down on my parents' house. It would have been a different story. But in middle of a day, you know, 90 degree day, you know, sun's blaring through the, you know, I mean, it didn't really faze me. But I mean, I didn't know, you know, I'm like, okay, what was that?

You know, that was very strange. So those are some things that happened. here. And then, if you'd like, I can get into the graveyards. Yes, please. So I was always fascinated, you know, from, you know, when I was younger, when I seen his eyes and the paranormal shows as into the 90s, you know, I had cable. So there was a show called sightings or something.

I think it was on sci-fi channel or something. And it would kind of like show like a UFOs, Bigfoot's ghosts. So, you know, I always wanted more, you know, because it was always like, half hour, hour, and we're showing commercials, but I always found it very interesting. And I got fascinated in, like, paranormal, just because it's just unexplained and it's mystery and you want to know what's going on. So I was in high school. So you're talking mid-90s, junior, played with a couple of my friends in a band. You know, we played and we'd always go to the bowling alley and hang out, look for women, you know, the typical teenage thing. He had his license.

So there's usually about three or four of us. And we need some girls down there. We'd hang out. And a couple of them had a girlfriend. We had talked about paranormal. They weren't as gun-ho about it as kind of as I was, but it would come up once in a while. And they mentioned the great. There were several people that mentioned, oh, if you guys are looking for something really cool, go out to this graveyard.

It's, you know, I sort of haunted. And, you know. so we had heard this from three people, three different people that didn't know each other. And this is the age before, you know, the internet and everything, you know, so communication was just basically verbal. You know, there was, so we got to check this place out, you know, and we would stay out late back then, you know. And he would usually drive his car up and we'd get up and we found the graveyard. And it's got it, it was like an old church, but I don't even know. if they use this church anymore

I don't know if it was just a maintenance thing but there are some very, very old graves back there. It's so old that there are graves that extend into the woods. So this is very old. We've been there a few times during the day. We checked it out. But mostly we would drive at night

just to be spooked out. He would stop on the road and we kind of look and we're like, oh man, this is cool, you know. And they have these real long, like the traditional, very long windows of the church, you know, on it. And there were blinds. So we would go, and there was a pool hall, we would go to the bowling alley was open all night.

And we had a pool hall. It was open to like maybe two in the morning. So we would shoot back and forth. Hey, you want to go to the graveyard, you know, between trips. Yeah. So this is like 12, 31 o'clock at night. Chris would drive out the driveway. I don't think he, it's okay if I use the first name, but he would drive out and we would stop and we would just check it out.

You know, we were too chicken to get out or anything and we just wanted to check it out. You know, hey, we're going to see anything. And we would look and there were blinds in each of these windows. So we would go out, we'd come back around, maybe stop the gas station, take another pass past that maybe half hour later. these blinds were different. The one blind was pulled, the other ones up. We come back,

they're the opposite. And we're like, wait a second, wasn't those blinds, wasn't that one over there? And then we're thinking, maybe we're just imagining, maybe they were like that.

We've come back another hour later. All three blinds are up. So we're like, something's going on. Hit the gas and we were out of there. So we started doing this on the weekends, once in a while, late at night.

Hey, let's go out and see it. We'll get some people going with us. We would stop. You know, he had a floodlight, too. And he would, we'd look at it. We never seen anything, anybody or anything in the graveyard or anybody looking out the windows or anything. And, but the blinds were always different every time we went there. And then we would come back.

You know, I can remember taking a few other people. And they were like, oh, my God, those blinds, they were up. You know, we came back. Let's get out of here. So we never stuck around. Now, there were a few times that we went out there in a daytime, and we went into this graveyard up to the church to see if the door was unlocked, you know, and it was always locked. So I figured, you know, maybe it's just a utility shed. You know, maybe they just used the, I don't think they used the church.

You know, I mean, I've never seen anybody there, but then again, I didn't go past it a lot. There's a little tiny driveway with gravel that kind of like grass was coming through. So it's like it wasn't really, I've ever seen anybody really stopped there. So there wasn't one day that we stopped there and it was open because we started going there all the time just showing people, hey, this is so cool. You know, I mean, all this crazy, these windows and everything. The door was open. So I was afraid to walk in. I'm like, I don't, and Tony, I never got in trouble with a kid.

I stayed out of trouble and I didn't get in any, you know, these kids too. that I hung out with it this time. They didn't really get in any trouble. And I was very scared of walking in. I'm like, no, in my luck, I walk in there and a police officer will drive up and then, you know, they're going to think we're in here. We're stealing something.

So he's like, oh, just come on, come on. Go in real quick. So we walk and they had very old and kind of decrepit, you know, the seats in there. And they had like to stand there at the front, the pew or whatever you want to call it. And on top of that was a garbage can lid. And in the garbage can lid, there were sticks. And somebody had made like a typical,

you know, your classic pentagram out of, I don't know what it was, like spray paint or something like that. And it was very, very creepy. It was laying right on top of that. And I'm like, let's get out of here. So, and this is broad daylight. We left. We locked the door. We used our, you know, our shirts, like our hoodies to open the door, because I'm like, I'm not going to have them fingerprint that and say we were in there doing that, you know? Yeah, I, that's all I seen. But it could, you know, we thought, well, maybe it's just teenage kids

from the world the area, you know, drinking some beer, you know, just doing some crazy stuff. So we've seen that and I was, you know, never went back in there, but it was always locked after that, you know. And, uh, when I, you would go out to this place, you never felt comfortable. I mean, even in the daytime, it just, you just got this, I don't know how to describe it, kind of like a sense of uneasiness, you know?

Like, just as soon as you got approached this, this was out in the, this church was out in the middle of nowhere. There mustn't, I don't think there's a house within a mile and a half of it. And it's these roads that go to this church are like roads from a horror movie or something. They're like so far back in. They're windy. They're twisty. there's trees everywhere.

I mean, if you get lost out there, good luck, you know. And at nighttime going on all these roads, I mean, it is something out of a horror movie. And then you just, you come up into the opening and then there's the graveyard on your left. And it just, even daylight, you just, there's an uneasy to it. So I started hanging out with some other friends. we got through high school, you know, that was the extent of it. We seen that, and it was just blinds up and down, you know, but the short of seeing that pentagram thing on the garbage can,

we just kind of assumed it was teenagers messing around. I'm, you know, teens did that sort of thing, I guess, you know, I don't know, who does. But, so then I had another friend that lives right around here at the time, and he had a bunch of brothers, and I had told him about that. So me and him went out one time, just me and my ex-girlfriend at the time, like way back.

And I remember it had snowed, and it was in the morning, and we drove out. I just wanted to show my girlfriend at the time, and I wanted to show my friend, I'll call him Scott. I mean, I'm not going to use his last name, but,

and we stopped, and I would always pull off the side. I never felt comfortable pulling on there because people would, you know, everything has a legend, you know, somebody will show up on your, put your car and, you know, the urban legend, but people would always say if you pull onto that

ground, you know, your car will go bad or your motor will go bad. Well, this is, you know, I'd just been out of high school and, you know, just started working and stuff. And last thing I can afford is my car. So I would always pull off to the side off on the opposing side of the road. So we walked over and there was some snow, some snowfall, but it was kind of warm. And all three of us walked over and there were footmarks through there to the graveyard. And they looked to be female. And the reason I say female is because my girlfriend was there and she put a boot by the footprint and it looked like it was the size of female. Now, the thing about it is, it was bare feet because you could see the toes. You could see, you know, the ridges and everything.

And it was like it just happened like that morning. But now that didn't strike me as anything like a Bigfoot or anything. We thought it was like a spirit because we looked at these footprint and went completely around the graveyard. And it never left the graveyard. It never walked out onto the road. It was in that graveyard. So she got freaked out. And I got freaked out.

And I said, let's get out of here. And this is in the morning. And I'm like, this is really weird. But this was before, like, cell phones, you know. I mean, they might have had cell phones back then, Tony, but they were part of the size of a refrigerator. You know, like, I don't, I don't think they had any, you know, I mean, they might have had the pictures that were instant and you had to go get developed or something. But we didn't have anything like, but they were, we all seen it. And it was like it looked like it, like you could see the toes and everything.

It just looked like a female's foot. It was a very small, either that or a child's or something. but it walked all through this graveyard and weren't thinking who in their right mind would walk through a graveyard with snow there and it just didn't make any sense like so you know the first thing out of her mouth was like oh my god it's a spirit let's get out of here so i said okay i agree let's get out here so that was that encounter and then the kid that was with me scott now he was a friend you know for years growing up to. He was a little, he would like to, you know, get a little, I wouldn't see trouble, but

he would get in some, you know, kind of crazy things. He reminded me a Kramer from Seinfeld. It was kind of eccentric and he was funny to be with, but he would do some insane stuff. He had a brothers, a bunch of brothers that he hung out with. Now, when the brothers came along, these guys got out of hand, you know, I mean, And again, I was always staying out of trouble. I didn't get into trouble. If there was trouble, I went the opposite way.

These guys were notorious for, you know, getting into trouble, just kind of like juvenile sort of stuff. And mind you, at this time, we're in our 20s, you know, early 20s. So, you know, some of the juvenile stuff that they were doing, you can get in big trouble for. So anyway, these guys, I don't know, I've seen the one day you posted something about the WWE or something. Well, we were huge wrestling fans. These guys were the biggest wrestling fans, and they did this whole, the NWO with the Hulk Hogan and everything.

And I don't know if you remember that, Tony, if you were into that sort of thing or anything. Yeah, it was a little bit. Back in the later 90s, so this was around 96, 97. It's before I started my job in 98. So it was like, I'm going to say 96, 97.

So when he got together with his brothers, these guys were always into some sort of trouble, you know, and they wore the whole NW.O garb. They took, you know, wrestling serious. They used to wrestle in their backyard, like actual wrestle, wrestle. I, as a teenager, you know, years before that, I wrestle with them before. And it was like full contact football. I mean, they, so these guys would really, you know,

they would go to like, we'd go to Kings and hang out half the night, drink coffee and everything. And that group of guys would come in and then they would start the NWA, hey brother, you know, what are you looking at? And I'd have to try to talk them out of it and be like, come on, guys. We don't need to end in trouble here. But, you know, they were good for starting fights and everything like that. You know, that's the only bad thing when they all got together like that.

So we were with them one night and they are, you know, they're not scared of anything. And we took three cars out to this graveyard. And this was around, I want to say, September, October, around the Halloween season. Scott, his wife, their young daughter, she was maybe a year old, was in the van. They had a van. My car, there was two of them, and

there was another car behind us. Well, these guys, we'll go out there and, you know, we ain't afraid anything. And they were some bigger guys. I wouldn't want to, you know, cross them because they would get into fights around that time. I'd heard a lot of stuff about them getting into bar fights and start in trouble.

So I felt safe. I'm like, yeah, we'll go out there and look at this graveyard. He was saying, yeah, we went back there before and there's like, you know, there was feet marks and this and that. So he pulls, when goes to the graveyard, he pulls into that little driveway there that was kind of overgrown. And that's the first mistake. I'm like, ah, I wouldn't pull there, you know.

I pulled over across the road and then the other guys pulled. So this would be like maybe not. He had a ton of brother. There was about nine of us and his wife. And they're all getting out. And I'm like, Scott, I wouldn't park there because remember they said about the engine problems and all this and all that? He's like, ah, screw it. Okay.

So. And, you know, at the same time, I'm kind of looking around. Now, there's nothing in the vicinity for a few miles. But I'm kind of, you know, if a police officer goes through there, what is you going to think? Right. I mean, these guys are wearing like their leather jackets and the NW stuff and, you know, they look like a biker gang walking around.

And I'm thinking he's just not going to think that we're up there, ghost hunting. He's going to think they were up there, you know, vandalizing. So I was very sketchy, you know, looking around. And they also had a younger brother. He was probably about 16 at the time. And they kind of gave him a lot of crap and, you know, pushed him. around and got on him about being a sissy and this and that. Come on, you got a man up and blah, blah, blah. So I was next to his brother, Brian, and he had glasses on and he was kind of like a, you know,

skinnier, and he was scared of his own shadow. So he stayed next to me, and these guys all just walk onto the graveyard. So we're looking around the graveyard, just kind of looking around and his wife's by the van with the baby and everything, you know, not leaving it. She was smoking a cigarette. All of a sudden, the baby starts crying. So she starts getting weirded out. She's like, this isn't a good sign. I'm like, Scott, I told you, you shouldn't have parked there. Let's, let's just get out of here. He's like, oh, I'm not scared of nothing. So we're walking through the graveyard. Then these guys starts taking cigarette butts and throwing, and the other one had a beer from the car. And I'm like, oh, boy, this isn't good. This reminds me like something out of a horror

movie where things are going to go south, you know? Even Scott said, dude, he's like, why do you have a beer out here in a graveyard. Don't just respect the dead. Just as he said that, his bigger brother goes, look at this guy like that, and he points back into the woods. Now, as I said, the graves extend part ways into the woods there. We see what looks like a guy standing there like, and I want to describe, they look like blue jeans, maybe a jacket or something. And there's this guy there standing and he's watching us. So I'm like, oh, let's, let's get out of here. Let's get out of here. Come on, guys. I don't know who this is. You know what mean? These guys are full till NW. Come on. Come on. Come on. Brother, you know, they're screaming at

them. I think they start throwing rocks back at there. I'm like, come on guys, guys, guys, you know, I'm trying to rule them in to get the heck out of there. So we're watching us. His wife goes, Scott, just get these guys to calm down. Because there's starting to go full tail her. She reaches in and pulls her high beams on, on the van, shining in that direction, and we don't see anything. So we're kind of sprawled across and looking from different angles and they're like, where'd he go? Do you be high behind a train or something? And I'm looking and I'm like, I don't see him. I'm like, is he hiding or something? I'm like, maybe we should get out of here, you know? And they turned the lights off,

and then we've seen this guy again. Now, I don't think, you know, to me it didn't look like a ghost, but it just looked like a guy standing there. And you could see he was moving around. So they're, you know, kind of cat calling this guy. Come on, brother, you know, come on, you. And they're well and rocks back there. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know if this guy's going to go back to the house and, you know,

call cops or something. I'm like, come on, you know, let's just get out of here. But we've seen it. and then to the right side of me out of nowhere and I mean out of absolutely nowhere I see this white thing coming

and this thing's moving and we all seen it and Brian the kid that they would give a lot of crap for and kind of pick on and stuff and he was like you know scared a lot this thing comes from the right side

and it must have been waste level right out of and we we screamed and Tony I'm not proud of it to this day we screamed like two girls it was like

Shaggy and Scooby I mean we screamed I mean and if you don't situation like that you're scared out of your mind I screamed oh my and here it was a dog

well it was like a dog it was like a big white shaggy like I'm not good on dogs, but it was like a big dog, a big white dog. And it had like this like shaggiest hair to it. It came over and we're petting it and everything, but I mean, it scared the heck out of us because all we see was this white thing advancing out of our, you know, right there just coming, making a B-line for us. And I mean, we just lost our mind screaming. And I'm saying, I know these guys are like, oh, come on, are you guys that sissy?

They thought it was Brian and I never fessed up that I was one of the ones that scrambling. because they would have never let me let it down, but they were like, are you, are you that scared? It's just this dog. So I'm thinking, okay, maybe this is this guy's dog and he's just out here walking. And I'm like, let's just come on, let's get out of here. But it didn't make any sense because it was very late. And why would this guy be out here with the dog?

And we never seen him with a dog. And once he just left the dog go. The dog left and went the opposite way down the road and never came back. So, you know, I mean, I don't know what it. maybe somebody's dog. The person's still there, and we're still watching it, and these guys are still yelling and screaming, and they're starting to get really wound up.

So I don't know what happened. We finally got out of there. His wife is getting, the baby's crying and crying and crying, and she's like, come on, he's like, come on, I've got to get the kid out of here. Let's go, let's go, let's go. So these guys are all wound up, and we retreated, we got in the car, we left.

is we're leaving. Scott's driving the van, not more than a half mile down the road, this deer. And I don't know if it was a buck, but it was so strange the way it happened. It's almost like this thing went for his truck and smashed into the side of it, his van. He slams the brakes on. We all stop. The deer pops up and takes off and really smashed in the side of his car. It was so strange how it happened. like when I seen it it looked like a buck but it you know it looked like a ram or something that hit his truck at first and he even

said it came right for the truck and we were all weirded out everybody was scared to death and I'm like I told you you shouldn't have parked on the land we took off but at that time when this thing came out of nowhere it was almost like it was going out his band

and I mean it smashed his his like his quarter panel all in. Did it survive? Yeah, it popped right up and took off. It looked to me like it was a buck or something. But at first, it's like the horns were back. Like it was so strange. It had horn.

It's like it's, and I'm not a hunter. I don't hunt. I like animals and everything. I've never hunted. There's a lot of people out this way that hunt. I don't know anything about bucks and stuff like that, you know. It had horns. This thing hit it, but when I looked at it,

It almost looked like, you know, like one of those Rams that have the horns to go back and hit this. I mean, it hit it violently, too. It's like it wasn't like a Tony when it hit the van. It's like it didn't like just stumble back. I mean, this is a moving vehicle. It's like this thing indented and the truck went, you know, his van rear end like kind of, you know, fish tiled. And it popped back up and it just took off. it's like this thing was on steroids or something

and he got out he's screaming and everything he's like my van my van my van he's like that thing came he's like it tried to hit it and she's in there screaming and the baby's cry we're like okay just let's get out of here let's get out of here so we went out to king

our famous meetup place we all went down to kings and he was convinced that this thing came like had intent of hitting his vehicle well I don't you know I'm sure it just ran out And he's like, what was that thing? And I'm like, it looked like a buck.

I'm like, I don't hunt and stuff like it had horns or whatever it was. And, you know, he said it was bigger than that. But I don't know. It just happened so quick. I was concerned because he had his baby in there and his wife. And, you know, he was on the driver's side, you know, that they were all okay. But I mean, this thing did some major damage to their van. And what kind of damage are you talking about here?

Are we talking about like a broken window? are we talking about like just a giant dent? Oh, it was more than that. I mean, he caved his thing in. This thing caved that in. I mean, it's like this son of a gun teaboned it. And, you know, I imagine Dears can do some damage, but it's like this thing ran right into the side of it and teaboned it.

And his butt end of like went to the side and he slammed his brakes on. I mean, this thing violently hit it. And it popped up. it was like in a sitting position popped up and high-tailed it in the woods. So, you know, I'm the last guy who know anything about dears and bucks and all this and how many points, whatever. To me, it looked like a buck. Like a really big buck. He thought it was something else, but it looked like the antlers were like going back.

Like, it was strange. Like, almost like a, like a ram or something. You know what I'm saying? No, yeah, I get it. Like, it was strange. I never seen anything like that in my life. And yeah, he had some considerable damage. much to his back. He couldn't even get the, uh, he couldn't get it to come out. So he just left it

like that, but it was smashed in bad. And he ended up getting rid of that vehicle down the road and got another one. But yeah, I remember that. So I mean, with that whole experience with the graveyard and this, uh, whatever it was hitting the van, I mean, are you looking at that as like a paranormal situation here where like there was some kind of entity attacking the van? Or do you think it was just some kind of fluke thing, a deer that, you know, he got spooked by whatever was going on in the graveyard. From what I, honestly, it's, and I mean, this is going back to the night that happened, it looked to me almost like something like lunged at the van.

You know what I mean? We weren't going that fast, you know, he was convinced he's seen something come at him and it was he was describing like it wasn't a deer it was like a I don't know what he was trying to it was it was after his cars I don't know what he's talking about but it shot out and it hit it it didn't look like just a random deer jumping out it's almost like this thing ran at it hit it and we were at the time and thinking back it's almost like it was associated with the graveyard because we weren't that far from it when we left we left in a panic because these guys had riled up so much

after that dog and everybody's screaming and stuff. Now we're really afraid because if anybody's in the general vicinity, they're going to end up calling the police thinking that there's crazy people out there screaming. And, you know, you got them guys throwing, we don't know if this was a guy that was back there. They were throwing stuff at them. And like when we were there, we seen it. We didn't see it. Then it wasn't.

It was moving. It was like moving towards us. But yet it just looked like a guy standing there. And these guys were all like, oh, yeah, this is a tough guy here or something. And, you know, almost like challenging to a fight or something, you know? This figure, I mean, you don't see it walking, but it seems like it's moving. Like, it's getting, it's like, like, almost like a horror film where you're looking at something and it's staying there and then you blink and it's a little closer.

It, we could see movement. We all, like, we're watching it. Yeah. You could see a little movement, like almost like, you could see it moving because I'm watching a tree. I'm watching the tree and I'm watching it kind of like maybe like go shift its weight back and forth. Then it started getting a little closer, definitely getting a little closer. So then she kept putting the light on in the van, which was shining in that direction, but not exactly on it.

The way he had his land, she was hitting the high beams and we weren't seeing anything. And we're like, did this guy duck behind a tree or something? Because they were like, hey, who are you? Who are you? And they did that for a while. and then they started getting agitated, thought it was somebody screwing with them. So then they started getting confrontational

and starting chucking stuff back at it and thinking it was just some guy playing games. So they were going to play, you know, okay, you want to be a tough guy? Well, you know, and they start in their whole thing where they, you know, want to start fights and everything. And I'm like, come on, guys, let's get out of here.

Let's get out of here. But it was there for a while. We watched it for, must have been a good 15 minutes, where they were just hollering and screaming and sprawling stuff and it didn't move from that area you know

back or towards us but it was shifting around a bit you know might have moved a foot forward foot back but not really too much and there was a tree there we were watching it and it was to the side of it a little bit

and then it was all over a little bit more towards the other side we all seen it moving around but it was moving very slow but definitely there was movement to it And they're convinced it was a ghost. And I don't know. That one goes under the, like I think if you were in a grand jury testify,

and I don't think that's enough to the judge to say, well, or the juries to decide that it was a ghost. I mean, we've seen something, but it didn't make any sense, the hour of night. There's no houses around within, you know, a mile and a half or something. I mean, it's a good drive for many houses. It's just like out in the middle of nowhere. and I don't even think they really use that graveyard much.

It just was very peculiar. Now, if it was a ghost, a ghost looks just like a person. I mean, I had always visioned a ghost like, you know, you see through it, and it would be like very eerie. But this just looked like some guy, you know, you could see it was a man. It wasn't a woman or anything. It had like manly, a stocky body to it. And like, it looked like it had like hair.

you know, like just a man's hair cut. He just was shifting back and forth. And it was really strange. And it was actually, if you get back there, there were graves in there. So, I mean, he was towards the end of the graveyard. So if it was a guy walking his dog, I don't understand because there's nothing back there that woods,

why he'd be back through the woods walking his dog at the graveyard. And where this dog came from and where the dog went, I have no idea. The dog went the other way. The dog came out of nowhere and just went the other way. I mean, and it was, like I said, it was one of the scariest things I ever seen. We're watching this, one of the freaks out. And we see this white thing.

You couldn't make out what it was. And like I said, me and that Brian were next to each other. And we just completely lost it, screamed. And, like, did the classic, like, Scooby Shaggy do, you know, grabbing each other like shrieing, like girls, you know? Oh, they heard about that all night. thank goodness that Brian was so scared he didn't even realize I screamed and I heard that all night it came. He's like, well, he goes, you scream like a woman. He's like, my goodness. He's like, you go out there and act like that? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, really. Meanwhile, you know,

somebody was going to jump out of their socks. I would have done it that night because, man, but, yeah, it was weird. His dog came out of nowhere. There was nothing on the dog. There wasn't any chains. There wasn't any collars or anything like that. He was very friendly. He was a big dog. And he let's pet it and he took off and he went the other way. Just away from that guy, away from us, completely the different direction. I have no idea. He never came back. And where he came from is beyond me. That's interesting, man. That is definitely an interesting story with just the different activity you had in that graveyard and then leading up to, you know, seeing this figure. I mean, not all ghosts are see-through. I mean, there's a lot of people that have seen things where they swear it was a real person and they've even communicated with it and then it's just gone and things like that. So, I mean, there's different scenarios and stuff. But, you know, what you experienced in there

and stuff. I mean, one thing that I find, you know, peculiar is if it was just a dude, I think most dudes would either run away or yell out or be like, you know, something when you're getting aggressive towards them in the middle of the night in a graveyard. I mean, it's not like you're in a playground at noon on a Sunday and it's just like, you know, whatever. I mean, it's a situation where you would expect some kind of reaction. And so that's odd. And then the idea of whatever it was that hit the vehicle, because I mean, I grew up out in the country and I know you have too. And it's like you hear stories of where deer actually do run in the cars. I mean, it's like they just, for whatever, reason. My friend in high school had that happen. He's driving down the road and he didn't hit the deer.

The deer hit him. Like the deer literally ran into the car. Yeah. But usually every time I've heard that happening, the deer dies. Like, I mean, it break their neck or something. And for the fact that it caused so much damage and it ran away is odd. And then I mean, I guess you could probably be seeing, you know, like when you, like say it was a buck. I mean, uh, yeah, if it's moving so fast, it might have seemed like the horns were bent back like a ram? To me, that's kind of what it looked like. And when he said, he said, that wasn't a deer, that was something else. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure it was like a buck or something.

He looked at his car. We didn't see any blood. There was a little bit of hair. There was like a crack in it. There was a little bit of hair by the thunder well on the backside of his van. because it was all cracked. The paint, there was a little bit of hair. It looked like deer hair, but I mean, that's all.

It was no blood on anything. And he was past it, and the deer kind of just sat there and popped up and took off. It was fine. If that's what it was, but, I mean, it happened so fast that it was big. It was a big deer. I don't remember ever seeing anything like that, you know, that big of a deer. We tried to get it out of, you know, my dad does auto body stuff, and we tried to get it out. it was pretty smashed in.

So you ended up getting another vehicle down the road. Yeah, I imagine. I mean, those things do a lot of damage. And they're not just these tiny little creatures. They're hundreds of pounds. Yeah. Yeah, man, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing these stories. It's been interesting for sure, especially hearing the different things that you saw at the house.

And then the graveyard's just, and they're spooky in general, you know what I mean? So, but I appreciate it. You're sharing them, man. Yeah, no problem. I enjoyed being on. I hope it was entertaining. I hope I didn't ramble too much or anything. No, you don't have to worry about that, man.

People tune in to hear the guests speak more than me. So the more you share, the better it is for the audience to listen to. But yeah, I definitely appreciate it, man. Yeah, definitely. Well, that's sure, buddy. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, you know what to do. Take the link to this episode right now and share it around social media, Facebook,

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