The Confessionals - 133: CENSORED with Wes Germer | Timothy Renner | Dark Waters

Episode Date: June 15, 2019

Wes Germer, Timothy Renner and Dark Waters joined Tony to talk about the 5G effects on our bodies, EVPs coming through on episode recordings, the "Bunnyman" and the censorship we are facing on social media platforms! Don't miss the epic show!Tickets for ParaCon 2019 at Pennhurst Asylum: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/live-eventsSubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaISubscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail]: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcastTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelShow Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. Well, the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this.

Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Spicer got splice him, got spurson when he got about... And I look over and there are two small gray entities. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing. A monster.

Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com.

That's The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. Or go to the website, Theconfessionalspodcast.com. Hit the connection section, and you can reach me that way as well. Either way works for me. Just get a hold of me. Now I had the chance to sit down with Timothy Renner, West Germmer, and Darkwater. This isn't a think tank, but we had a great conversation talking about a wide range of topics, anything from tornadoes being formed here in PA and how that's done, to Timothy Renner's Bunnyman

that he's been covering on a show. We talked about 5G, we talked about EVPs coming through our show, and we even talked about censorship that we're dealing with being independent media people. I hope you guys enjoy the show, and before we get to it, I want to let you guys know we are going to be at Perikon, at Pennhurst Asylum, Spring City, Pennsylvania on July 20th through the 21st. vendors table there. If you are interested at coming out, go to the website, the

confessionalspodcast.com, hit the live event section, and you can actually buy tickets right from the website. You can't get easier than that. I hope I see you there at Pennhurst, July 20th through the 21st. Let's get to the show right now. All right, cool. What's up? DW? How are you, man?

How are you, Jim? Doing good. I'm going to hit record, and I want this to be just kind of like a just chill session talk about stuff. But what are you being in Uber driver these days, D. Dub. No, I'm Uber driving my damn children around because my son wanted to go to the mall and I hang out with some girls

because he'd think you cute. And, yeah, you think you're cute, bro. Got me driving everywhere. And so I had to go pick him up. I'm off and pick him up. And so I'm sorry, guys, I was running behind. That's cool, man, it's cool. I'm sorry, gave me a chance to sober up.

Thank you, DW. How's it? Everybody been doing good. Yeah, I have one of those days. Listen, I, so I wait to the last minute to go to work in the morning because that's just how I do it. I do this. So I start work at 9.30 in the morning these days. And at 8.30, my phone rings and I'm laying in bed.

I'm sleeping still. And work calls me. And I'm like, hello? And my dispatcher on the other end, and he's like, Tony, did I just wake you up? And I'm like, yeah. And he's like, well, are you going to be able to make it to work on time by 930? I'm like, yes, what do you want? And he's like, I just want to let you know that you have two runs today.

And the one is a fast track, which is, you know, time sensitive. And I just want to let you know. I'm like, okay, why are you calling to talk to me about work? That's the last thing I want to do first thing when I wake up. That's at 930. Yeah, I'm like, I'm laying in bed sleeping right now. You're messing up my pattern, bro. Like, what is going on here?

so yeah my day got off to one of those darts you know Tim are you still here yeah okay cool all right I because I thought you need Tim Tim's give a shit level went to about zero at that point yeah he was checking his pockets for he was tabbing his pants like you see if I got any gives a fuck about this one yeah well hey Germer you keep that up and stuff I'm gonna escort you out of here actually I was thinking like because you just told me earlier that you're you're a night person I was trying to computer

dude how that works. Yeah, man. I stay up to about two, three o'clock in the morning, working on crap. And then I go to bed and I sleep for about five hours. I get up around 8, 8.30, usually 8.30. And then I get together real quick, run out, run out the door by no later than 908 so I can punch in by 932 because I get a five-minute grace period and I usually punch in at 932 every day. Wow. You got it down to a science. Clock work, man. Clock work. There's guys at work that they show up like a half hour, 45 minutes early and stuff and they just sit around the break room talking. I'm like, nah, I'm good with that. I'm good with that. So yeah. Did you guys hear about this guy who,

the tornado guy, I don't want to give too much away if you didn't, if you didn't hear about this. The guy who had his own little theory about tornadoes and how they're starting in Pennsylvania. From the roundabouts, right? Yeah, yeah. You heard about that. Wes, did you hear about this? No, I haven't heard. Listen, I'm telling you right now, this guy, he has quite the theme. on how these tornadoes are starting in in Pennsylvania. I'll let you listen to it real quick. We didn't have tornadoes here until we started putting into traffic circles. Because on the kind of you want to know why, when people go around and round in circles,

it causes disturbance in the atmosphere and causes tornado. Listen. Oh, shit. This guy is here in Pennsylvania. Wes, I don't want to hear you say one word about Pennsylvanians. This guy is here in a play. And he, I guess this one news channel has like a call in segment where you can call in and talk about the talking points of the day. And we've been having these tornadoes.

And he calls in with that theory as to why the tornadoes are starting. I had a girlfriend who told me in all seriousness that wind was caused by trees moving their leaves. Oh my God. That is not the same girlfriend. by the way, who told me that I would be allowed to drive her car to London, because I told her that the London Bridge went across to England. No. And she, you can get the hell out of it.

I'm telling you the truth. That's where. And I convinced her that the London Bridge went to England and she said we could drive her car to the UK. That'd be fine. Wow. Now, Tim, you're not hiding the truth here and it's not the girlfriend that you married, is it? No way.

No, my wife is way smarter than me. Okay. I would have married her. Yeah, you know what, Wesley, you know, maybe you would have. So I think that that tornado guy was hilarious, but I wanted to kind of get some things out of the way real quick here. So I was getting emails a lot this week on the Hollow Earth show that I did. And I don't know if you guys heard. I know, Wes, you heard it.

But we went on for like two and a half hours. And I don't think it was like a paranormal type show. It was more talking about this, you know, theory of hollow Earth. And I had a lot of people messaging me about how they keep hearing these sounds come through the audio. And it was a very common thing at the one time stamp. And I had one other person mentioned about another time that I haven't had a chance to check out. But I wanted to play this audio for you guys to let you guys hear it and stuff. I have an idea of what it is.

And I don't think it's anything paranormal. But take a listen. Maybe I'm wrong and stuff. And you guys can be the judge on that. And then she goes back to Hawaii, right? And he's now being tormented by these trailing in the monster. Did you guys hear that? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that sound and stuff. I mean, to me, it doesn't sound paranormal, but people were saying it sounds like a growl. Does it sound like a growl to you at all? That's kind of what I got from. Really? Yeah.

Sounds like a car or something going by. Yeah, it sounds like a noisy car. Yeah, a lot of times when you do these shows, I get that all the time. I actually listen to my friend's show like Tony Merkel's. I'm like, it's not a two-way bridge. A lot of times with the shows, you'll, yeah, I've been, people are like, did you hear that in the background? I'm like, yeah, it was nothing.

It was white noise. It was, I've listened to the show already a million times before anyone else has by the time I put it together. And so I've already heard it, you know. And sometimes you can take those sounds out. Sometimes you can't. almost if you try and take him out, it sounds worse than if you just leave them in. But it sounded just like white noise to me. Could have been a car going by. It could have been, you know,

I don't think it was paranormal. That's my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong. No, I agree with you. I mean, so when I heard that, the first thing I thought of was a, like one of the cars or like, there was a lot different background noise during that episode. And I tried taking most of it out and stuff. But like you said, there was some points you couldn't take it out. Because I remember here, sometimes there was fire hydrants going. There was a motorcycle that one at the road. And so I'm thinking that was probably like a motorcycle or something. It sounds like a motorcycle to me. But I had a lot of people messaging me this week asking me about, you know, did I hear that? It sounded like a growl. Sounded like something came through the line. I mean, we've had that happen a couple times in the show.

I actually have a show that hasn't been released yet that that happened on something came through. And, you know, we'll talk about it when that show goes out and stuff. But, you know, I just found it interesting that so many people hear these things. And, you know, know, they're not sure what it is, but I guess I take it for granted because, you know, I'm dealing with audio all the time. And so I get a sense of what's what. And I didn't even think about it. When I put it in there, when I left it in there and stuff, it didn't even, it didn't even phase me. But then I was so surprised about how many people, you know, caught that and thought there was something, you know, maybe paranormal going through the line. Tim, did you? I didn't necessarily

think it was paranormal, but I thought the guy might have had a dog sitting next to him or something. You know, I mean, that's when I said growl, that's kind of what I thought, like, did you have his dog just sitting there and his dog went, you know, or something? Nope. You said paranormal. Play it back. Rewind. Tim, do you ever have anything like that happened on your show? Yeah, I've gotten some pretty weird stuff. And usually it's the listeners who catch it.

Usually I don't catch it. And I do a ton of editing, so I don't know why. But they'll say, you know, they'll give me a timestamp. And sometimes I think it's just background noise. Sometimes it's, you know, I don't know what it is. You know, they're saying EVPs, but I don't know. if that's what they are or what. But there's been definitely,

you know, a lot of times I think it is, it's just kind of ambient noise or whatever, but there's been a couple of times where we've gotten some stuff with like, okay, that's weird. Like one of them whispered a guest name.

We had all walked away from the mics to take a break. It's a really long show. And in that break, you can hear like something whispers the guest name. And they swear, like it wasn't me and they swear both of them were out like on a smoke break. So I don't know. Yeah,

I've had it a couple times of stuff. but, you know, it's one of those things where, you know, I just, I'm always surprised that it even happens and stuff, but when it does, it kind of catches me off guard and just like, uh, actually, just a few weeks ago, I had a show where that happened and you hear me. Like, I was just like, um, did you hear that? And the guest was like, yeah, I heard that. And so it's, it's interesting, but, um, Tim, I wanted to talk to you real quick about, uh, your show because, uh, you came out with an interesting show this past week. I think you called it, uh, the bunny man or something like that, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's bizarre, man. Well, talk to me about it. Like, I mean, obviously,

I've never heard, you know, of so many people having these encounters. But I've seen, like, the pictures and stuff online of the creepy guy in a costume and stuff. But some of the things that you guys were talking about, especially I think it was Aaron that you interviewed that had this experience and stuff. It started, actually started telling the story more. It really started sounding more like an abduction scenario that these bunny figures are popping up. as like screen memories right yeah that's that's what i'm getting from hers you know who could say for sure but we had a previous guest i think like two episodes earlier the show called encounters with the other and she just kind of mentioned offhandedly like she looked out the window with a little girl

saw UFOs in her yard and saw a guy dressed in an easter buddy costume holding a cigar walk up to her window and she's you know this is her memory you know she's not joking around or goof and she's like no, this is like legit. Remember this? I was like, well, that's weird. And of course, as these things happen, as soon as you talk about it, then you get the flood of emails of other people like, oh, yeah, I've seen that. And that's what happened. And they're still coming in. I mean, I got one, you know, just earlier right before we started talking. I was, in an email came in. Somebody said they saw one. Yeah, it appears to be, I mean, for all intents and purposes, they're just dudes in costumes. At least that's what they appear like. They're like in Easter Bunny costumes. But, uh, In many cases, they seem to be associated with UFO phenomenon, which is really creepy and kids. Because it's almost like whatever it is that's trying to appear in a nice form or something that kids would be okay with or with calm kids or something. It's very, very creepy. You know, a lot of people on our Facebook group started sharing like pictures of, you know, horror bunnies with fangs and blood all over them and stuff.

And to me, it's like, that's not even half as creepy as what people are talking about because what they're talking about is something that's, trying to appeal to kids and trying to look innocent and failing. Yeah, and that's one of the things that caught me off guard, not off guard, but it really perked my ears up because when I heard her talking about, you know, the connection, it hit me because I think it was episode 70s something on my show. I had Ryan on and he, I think it was Ryan. But anyways, the guy came on and he started talking about his lost time along with his abductions and stuff. And when he was a kid, to start the show off, he was talking about how his toy action figure, like, appeared on his bed and was standing there looking at him. But I think he said it was actually bigger than it was supposed to be,

like, his normal size action figure, but it was actually maybe like a foot or two taller. And it was standing there. And I remember him talking about how he felt like it was some kind of scream memory. And that seemed to kick off his parent, or not his paranormal, but his alien abductions that he went through and experiencing the lost time. And I was just like, wow. Like, the parallels of Aaron's story and this guy's story on my show were very similar. Even when she said about how she heard, she would hear the footsteps going in between the rooms, like that gave me chills because he talked about that too, where the one time he was, I think he was making a sandwich or something in the kitchen. And all of a sudden he just got really, really tired where he couldn't even make it to his

bedroom. He just collapsed on his mom's couch in her office. And this abduction scenario started happening again, only he felt like they didn't know where he was. Like it was like they were looking for him in his bedroom and he wasn't there and they were running up and down the hallway. And he could see these little heads bopping up and down, I guess, through the door or something like that. But he heard the little tiny footsteps going up and down the hallway. And then he heard them leave the house. I think he said, heard the door slam behind and they were gone. And so I was just like, wow, they just sent me the shivers because I was thinking that sounds a lot like what she was just describing. Yeah, that's the thing with all these cases. That's when I, like when you

start checking boxes and I often say, you know, people say, well, that sounded too crazy. him like, well, it's almost when they get like the crazier they get. And I'm not saying like, you know, I don't know. It's like, it's really hard to explain because it's, there's, they check similar boxes, but they're not the same story, I guess. And you start saying, okay, well, this sounds a lot like this, what this other person said, but it's not the same. So they obviously didn't just listen to that other person's account and tell the same story or a variant thereof. Yeah. After a while, you start getting all these different stories coming in that are around a certain topic and they're all individual stories and it's just crazy. I mean, I think it was Monsters Among

Us did a show recently on The Mirrored Man. And that whole scenario is very similar to, I maybe really think about your show at the Bunny Man because it's like once one story goes off, then everybody starts emailing you saying, yeah, I've seen that too. It's just kind of crazy. Yeah, it happened with us and we didn't invent this. It's just we'd start talking about it more than other people, the Flannelman thing. It happened with that. And I can. already tell this bunny man thing it's going to have legs like that too it's like wow like i didn't know you know talking about these things once or twice and it just it just goes off by the way we're supposed to do a flannel man versus mirrored man uh death match show between uh strange familiars and monsters

among us nice that's cool so i think we're going to talk about a little bit about this 5g thing now uh i don't know if tim and dark water saw what west posted on on Facebook. I think it was Facebook yesterday, right, Wes? What? Are you alive, bro? Are you good? I'm just joking. Yeah, I posted yesterday. That's what I thought. Continue. Next question.

Listen, you can go back to sleep, all right? Because I want to play this audio stuff because I thought it was really, really interesting. because I hear a lot of people talking about 5G coming and how it's bad, and I hear people talking about in interviews and have guests on talking about 5G. And from what I've ever heard, it's people talking about 5G that really don't have firsthand knowledge of what 5G is all about. They are just regurgitating what they read online and formulating their opinion and thoughts on, you know, what they think this could be and all that stuff. This guy actually is going to, is being trained to install the 5G. And what he has to say about it is chilling. So just sit back and listen to this. It's about

seven minutes long, but I think it's absolutely worth listening to. It's the question of the day. Ian, what do you think about 5G? For those of you that don't know, I'm a tower climber. I climb cell phone towers and install the cellular equipment that allows you to keep scrolling. and I'm currently in 5G training and I was already concerned about this technology before getting in there and actually learning some of the science about it

so let me give you some of the science about it the radio frequency that our towers currently emit this non-ionizing radiation with a long footprint over the ground so it's able to dissipate and spread out. It's currently being broadcast anywhere from

like 1.5 to 2.5, 2.8 megahertz. Close. If you take radio frequency close, it superheats the water molecules in your brain,

eyes, and testicles. So it's a very real thing. You could render yourself sterile or with a splitting headache for days or a well, I cooked to the top of my skull and left me

useless for the rest of the day. And that's a short range at a relatively low power. The way 5G is going to work is it is going to broadcast

one in gigahertz, not megahertz. We're talking about 30 plus gigahertz they're estimating, which means 15,000 times stronger than what we're pushing out right now. And it's going to actually go at a much

steeper peak it's going to almost be broadcast straight at the ground to hit more receivers that are

then going to transmit it outwards. The plan is to install these small cells on the billboards and street lights

sides of buildings in the corner of your office building or in the hallway of your apartment complex so that they can get lightning fast speeds.

Well, here's the thing. The RF that we've been broadcasting isn't really damaging to you, though they can't tell the long-term effects. But because it dissipates over distance, and it's not a concentrated thing,

the radio frequency we're broadcasting now has a really long wave trough. So even if you're getting hit with it, you're not absorbing a lot. That's why if I take it close range, I eat it, but you don't feel it down off the tower. It's not going to be that way with 5G. it's going to be in the corner of your office.

They're talking about putting a 38-band mimo antenna in the back of every car so they can talk to each other and self-drive. The 5G, its waveform is much tighter where 4G, 3G, and 2G have fairly long wave troughs so that we can reach distances and have a greater footprint coming off the tower.

It's not necessary with 5G. It's going to be broadcast. in what's called a millimeter wave, which is much more tightly focused with much closer wave troughs. So when it does hit, you just get blasted. And it's not miles away

hundreds of feet up on a tower anymore. It's in the corner of your office. Which means that this millimeter wave is going to be able to directly affect the cellular membranes. The bonds that hold your cells together. It's going to be in your face. It's going to be behind the back.

seat where your car seats are. Not to mention what it's going to do to your brain and your eyes and your testicles or ovaries just from the superheating that radio frequency will do at a close range. But because it is so powerful, so compact and tightly beamed, it is literally going to be able to break down the bonds that hold your cells together. That's how you get tumors. The rub of it is America that you're not going to know what I did to you. for another 15, 20 years. And by then, it's going to be too fucking late. It already is.

They've got trillions tied up in this 5G push. People are screaming for faster phones. Everybody wants to be able to scroll at the speed of light. And they're stopping it. What am I going to do, right? This is my job. You know, I got kids to take care of. I got my own chemo treatments 30 years from now that I'm going to have to deal with.

So, yeah, I'm going to install it. America, I'll tell you what, I feel like I'm fixing to pull your feelings out for the gold before I put you in a gas chamber. America doesn't care. They want faster phones. You'll carry eventually, it'll be too late. God bless you. God bless America. I wish you the best.

Feel free to name your tumor after me. I'm real sorry about what it's fixing to do to the babies. The little fetuses that are developing in utero, surrounded by water, the consequences to the next. generation are untold. I'm not even talking about what we're fixing to do to our own vision, our own reproductive organs, our own cognitive abilities. I'm not talking about the breakdown of our cellular bonds that are going to lead to tumor growth. I'm talking about what it's going to do to the little baby brains and eyes that are trying to develop in the womb. What we're fixing to do to toddlers and infants that are born that are still developing?

you, man. So the question of the day is, Ian, what do you think about 5G? I'm frightened and saddened because I'm going to install this. I'm going to install it everywhere. And you are all going to feel the effects of what I've done to you. So what do you think about that? Wes, you posted that online and stuff and my jaw dropped when I listened to that. And I was like, here's somebody who's actually training to install this 5G. And he's basically spilling the beans as actually what it's going to do to me, you guys, our kids,

future generations. And it's scary. Allow me to interject for a moment here, if you guys don't mind. So I don't know if you guys are familiar with this, but I graduated with a degree in electrical engineering, the minor in physics, right,

from Southern University. I ended up going, my first job was working for Erickson Telecommunication. in Plano, Texas, my first assignment was indoor wireless designs. This was before businesses had the ability to kind of just get a wireless router

like everybody has at home. But this was when you had to go in and like rate the yarn and different major corporations and design wireless coverage for their indoor wireless network, right? when I went through my training back in 2000, 2001, whatever year was,

2000, 2001 for installing designing and installing the wireless networks. My guy came over from Sweden and literally he and I were the only two people that worked on a program. And the first thing he told me was he said, well, James, you know, there's a couple of things you need to know about wireless networks and working with wireless. like this piece of equipment, you're going to put it on a tripod, you're going to raise it up to 20 feet in there, you're going to take this laptop, you're going to walk around, you're going to see how far the signal goes. Then from there, you're going to know where you're going to actually put the transmitters up on the ceiling in order for them to have wireless coverage. He said,

now, this transmitter, under no circumstances, is it supposed to be on and near you for any more than five minutes? He says, once you turn it on, put the tripod up and get the hell away from it. And at first I was like, well, why? He said, because it has the ability to cause cancer. And this is 2000, right? From there, I get off of that project and I start designing actual cell towers for cities. I designed the cell towers that went to Mobile, Alabama, Boca Raton, Florida, Phoenix, Arizona, outside of Chicago, and a couple other locations, right? when you are designing a cellular network, meaning where the towers go, there's a manual that you get.

And it talks about where they could, should go, and where they shouldn't go back then. One of the places that they absolutely didn't want the cell towers to be designed to go on were schools and churches, right? And so I'm in a training class, and I'm talking. I'm like, well, why don't we want these on schools and churches? And it's kind of hush-hush, but one of the guys from Sweden again says, well, because of the concerns of the radiation. Fast forward to just this year or late last year, storing at the news about a school where there was a cell tower on a school. And this is not a 5G tower.

This is a 4G tower. It's on a school. And seven or eight of the kids got diagnosed with cancer. And I think that tower had been there for a year or two, and all those kids got diagnosed with cancer. Pans were trying to figure out what it was. It turns out it was a cell phone tower. So this guy, excuse me, is talking about going from 4G to 5G.

And what he was saying is that the 5G towers, which is your typical cell phone tower, is going to transmit to these smaller relays, which will be on the streetpost, the signs in your office. So pretty much everywhere you go, you're going to be immersed in this radiation. I mean, not only is it true, it's furthermore, it's extremely dangerous. And what really bothers me about this is people know this. They've already done the studies. They know that 5G has caused cancer and lab rats. So they know these things. And the one thing that throws me off about what it says is that Americans don't care.

It's not that Americans don't care. We love our children. We love our families. It's just that people are uninformed. And that's a conscious decision being made to not inform people. Nobody told people back when I was designing. They barely told me when I was designing cell phone towers about the radiation and the cancer. I remember having a Nokia flip phone. On my job, you got a phone and you had like 5,000 minutes per month, right?

Very, very early flip phone. I started to realize that that phone was a problem because I would talk on it and literally the whole side of my head would get hot. Like my brain inside my skull was getting hot. And so I stopped using the phone because I just felt weird and funny. Fast forward to the day, anybody who uses a cell phone now, you know that you seem to get mesmerized by the cell phone even now. Like, you find people just scrolling and flickering through the phone and distracted and all the rest of the stuff. There are so many things going on with these frequencies that people know and understand how the human brain and the human body works. That is just completely and totally ridiculous. And I 100% agree with that man about the signature waves of the signals. And what he's saying is it's going to alter your DNA.

And that's what ends up causing cancer. It goes a little bit further than that. Not only is it going to alter your DNA, but it's going to completely break down your DNA strains. What I don't understand is why someone, why I do understand, because it's depopulation. But I just don't, I can't fathom someone being evil enough or why someone will be evil enough to put something like that in place.

You know what I'm saying? That's the thing that bothers me when we get on these topics. And by the way, I'm so glad West that you address this, because one of the things that I think that people with huge audiences need to do is really address these topics, things that are way ahead of time because 30 years from now, they're going to be a lot of people with cancer. And just discussing it is going to save people's lives now, even if it's, hey, man, make sure you got some good health insurance, you know what I'm saying?

And we're just not, it's just not a part of the discussion right now. It really needs to be a huge part of the discussion that's going on. Yeah, and I absolutely agree with you. them withholding that information and stuff and not informing the public, I think, I don't know why they would do it. Like you said about the depopulation and stuff, you got all these different levels of this. I don't know how you guys feel and stuff, but I think that there's definitely, for lack of better terms, a shadow type government where there are people that are in elite spots that operate within the shadows that are pulling the strings. And I think that this is just one

piece of the puzzle as to many things that they're doing to formulate the future and future narratives as to how we see history. What do you guys think, man? I mean, I don't have any problem with what he said. On the technology side, I'm going to trust DW and him because I don't know that much about it. So I'll definitely trust you. But that guy in particular, I do have a problem with him because he's doing the Nazi thing. I'm just following orders. No, you don't put up the towers then, man. You have a choice.

Well, it's my job. Well, don't do it. Like, I kind of have, like, he's apologizing for doing it, and then he's going to go ahead and do it. Well, quit your job. If you're going to kill babies, like, don't do that. You have a choice in an individual, not, you know, not to do that. But that's, you know, that's a separate topic, really.

It's not, though. Tim, it's not, though. I agree with you 100% on that. When I was listening to that yesterday, I was thinking the exact same thing. Because if my job told me that starting tomorrow, I was going to have to, as part of my daily routine before I get to my first delivery run over somebody,

I'd quit my job. I wouldn't do it. And here's somebody who feels like he's, it sounded like he was morally convicted about what he had to do with this 5G stuff, yet he decided that he's still going to do it. And he said, you know, that he has children and it has to provide for. But it's not like you're living in a country where there are no other jobs. You can, like, this is on the level of it's worth quitting your job over. There's a moral obligation there.

I mean, he's putting the word out there, which is a good thing. But to then turn around and go do it, it's exactly what she said. He's doing the Nazi thing. At first when you said, I was thinking, wait, do you know something about this guy that I don't? Like, I was like, I was saying, no, no, You know, it's like the, I was just following orders. Well, that only holds up to a point, you know. Yeah, I agree with you. Wes, what are your thoughts on the whole thing, man? I think I'd like to hear other people's opinions beyond this guy.

I mean, you can't take one donkey's word for it. You've got to kind of hear everyone's word for it. And, you know, he's not a lot of fun to listen to. He's like, my name's Ethan. God bless America and I'm going to rape your children. Sorry, everyone. Everyone's dead of cancer. And you're like, really? Okay, guys, thanks for the message.

But, you know, I'd like to hear other people's opinion on it. I mean, the RF wave he's talking about, yes, it can break down your DNA. Yes, it can cause cancer. But there has to be a lot of energy behind an RF wave for that to do it. I realize he's talking about the longer waves with 3G, 4G, and it's more of a tighter compact directional flow of the RF wave. but having said that, is that really going to cause cancer? Sorry, that was my phone working mistake. But what I'm saying is there's for God.

But what I'm saying is there has to be a lot of energy behind an RF wave for it to actually break down your DNA at a cellular level to cause cancer. I mean, you're talking a lot of energy. And I don't know that a 5G would actually get that off. I don't know, though. You're talking to a guy who talks about Bigfoot, and prior to this, I stacked lumber and threw people bad men out of clubs. So that's kind of my resume.

I don't know of them really qualified to speak on 5G. But what I would say is maybe hear other people's opinion on 5G besides this guy, because there's a lot of doomsday message in his video. And that always concerns me a little bit when they start to overreact. sell the doomsay thing. You know, just tell us the facts and and let us make up our own mind. So I guess my opinion would be to hear other people's, you know, experts on this technology and, and what damages, what real damages are we looking at and what, you know what I mean? No, I absolutely know what you mean. And that's one of the things that you would have to do is get

the experts because if you're just going to say, okay, well, get other opinions. And so let me you know, turn to my trusty news, you know, media here, uh, to give me the, you know, the scoop on 5G. You can't because the mainstream media isn't going to tell you the truth either. They're only going to tell you what they're allowed to tell you because we're facing a real censorship issue in this country, uh, globally, really, that we're really fighting against right now. And this all encompasses it because, uh, it's what are they allowing us to find out? what are they allowing us to know? And the whole censorship topic is something that has been affecting my show personally. And it's been affecting countless of other people's YouTube to

just announce what last week that they were going to take down tons of, they're going to delete tons of channels. And they're putting it underneath the category of harmful material. But some of that harmful material is these conspiracy type videos that are exploring other lines of thought as to what is going on in the world. And they referenced people saying that 9-11 didn't happen. Now, I have a real problem with that kind of stuff because it's literally this big tech companies that are deciding what we can and cannot handle. It's basically them saying you guys that are consuming this content aren't smart enough to make your own mind up and make your own decision and we're going to do it for you. It's also them saying we're going to formulate

your thoughts and opinions. It's real 1980, 1984, you know, with George Orwell. You know, the craziest thing about this whole scenario, and let me just rewind and come right back real quick. So two things. The censorship ties into a number of things. It's all about controlling narratives. Prior to the event of,

I mean, the invention of social media, narratives were easily able to be controlled by certain media outlets, right? Because there was no other voices. So now you have, other voices that can actually have counter narratives, and that's what it really boils down to. You can't control a population when there's more than one narrative because people have to get their information somewhere. One of the things that I want to reference back when we start talking about just real quickly on the 5G and the understanding of why it's important, even though that guy was real dramatic, the research

is there for everybody to go look at. But also, we have to keep in mind that this is not the first time that something has been hidden from us. It just came out about two weeks ago or three weeks ago that Pfizer has long had pretty much a cure for Alzheimer's, but they put it on the shelf. Prior to that, there's been people who have been getting healed of cancer in the past 12 months since the president did the right to try deal where if you're on your deathbed, you can try different medicines. So there have been cures for diseases that have been there for years that people haven't had access to that we haven't been told about. And the reason why that's been able to be kept on the wraps is because there was only one group of people that controlled the narrative. So when we see the censorship now, what it is is a battle of new media against old media.

And old media is saying, look, you guys are killing us, you're kicking our butt, and we can't take it because now we can't control the narrative. And what bothers me about this is when they started, when Sundar Pachai went to Congress and started talking about conspiracy theories, You know, all it started off with Alex Jones, and then it moved to Stephen Crowder. But when they started opening up the conspiracy theory, it's so broad because the term conspiracy theory itself is a CIA term that they created. But it's so broad to where you can put anything under that. So Bigfoot, of course, is a conspiracy theory. Dogman, a conspiracy theory.

All the reactments that they started disclosing UFOs on television recently, UFOs were what, a conspiracy theory. So now what is given these social media companies is Carl Blanche, just the ban and get rid of whatever they want and whoever they want. And that's the thing that really bothers me. And unfortunately, the audiences don't understand it because they're just consuming content, and it hasn't really trickled down to where everybody's favorite show is gone now.

So, like, if Stephen Crowder's band, okay, that's cool, you know, because some people like them, some people don't. But when it starts to hit like it's going to hit, then everybody's going to understand, but it's going to be way too late to do anything about it. So that's the thing that really bothers me. And I had a conversation with someone on Facebook because I posted about channels being banned,

and I wanted people to sign up to my email. Listen, the guy told me, he said, well, Doug Waters, you know, these are private companies. And they have the right to decide whatever they want to decide. And I just told them, I said, listen, so AT&T is a private company, right? you got a home cell, you got a home phone or Verizon or Metro PCS. They're private corporations, right?

And he's like, yeah, I said, so let's say all of a sudden Metro PCS, Sprint and Verizon all said, hey, we don't like what you talk about on a phone so you can't use a cell phone anymore. How would you feel about it? Well, do you still feel like it's a private company? And what happens when your power company doesn't like what you're doing. And so now your power is being turned off. All these are private corporations. but at some point in time

there has to be a line drawn in the sand to where there's rules and regulations of how they can deal with the public and how they can't deal with it and that's where we have to get to because if not it's going to keep on spreading and as you guys have seen there's been people who've been de-platformed and then they were debanked

or unbanked is the word for it so PayPal stopped working with them Chase Banks stopped taking their money and when you start moving from into the financial arena now we're getting into you know biblical times in revelation where you can't buy and can't sell. And I think that that's what I see coming down the pipe of mine. That's what really, really worries me. Yeah, I... Sorry, I ripped the band-aid off

again. It's fine. And that's one of the things that I kind of regret, because when the whole Alex Jones thing happened now, I don't listen to Alex Jones. I mean, I'll watch a video sometimes and stuff, but he's not like a go-to guy for me. And I saw what was happening, and I didn't say anything. And I was like, well, it's not affecting me. And that's the wrong attitude to have. And I'm kind of disappointed to myself because here I am, however months later and stuff. And I feel like it is starting to affect me. iTunes is doing something funny behind the scenes with podcasts of our type of show and stuff. And it's now coming to the front where it's like, oh, it's starting to affect me. And now it's, like you said, Dark Waters, it's too late. This was a coordinated attack.

against Alex Jones. If you want to talk about conspiracies, in one day, he was de-platformed across many big tech companies. These are companies that are separate individual companies that work together to actually coordinate attack on Alex Jones. And what happened is we let it go. When you let something like that go with a big fish like Alex Jones, we are nothing. We're nothing.

They can do whatever they want. I saw with my show, I just released the David Ike, uh, interesting. interview. And, you know, David Ike in the conspiracy world is, you know, like a big fish. Like, he's like the godfather. And that was one of my worst. Yeah, he is the godfather. That was one of my worst download of shows I've had over the last year or so. It means that bad. I was like, what's going on here? And then I started thinking about the idea of how my show was, you know, kind of, I don't know how to describe this. Wes, you and I were talking about this. And it's like, our shows were consistently in like the top 20 of our category on iTunes. And then like overnight,

it just dropped off to the outside of the top 200. And it's been like that for a long time. And I haven't said anything, but it's getting to a point now. I'm thinking, are they, did they change an algorithm? Did they make an algorithm change that actually excludes our type of content? I don't know. But Tim, West, I know Wes, you've, you know, you and I talked about and stuff but what, Tim, did you notice any changes with your show at all? Oh, yeah. Same thing happened. Same day.

You can look at the chart for all of us. It happens on like overnight for all of us. We fall off a shelf. I'm in a different category than you guys. I chose, I think, philosophy and you guys chose another category. I forget. But in my category, I was getting up there. I mean, I was, you know, always top 50.

I got as high as number seven one time. and now I'm in the hundreds, two hundreds, whatever it is, and it happened overnight. You can look at the graph, you can make a graph out of it, and we all follow the same pattern. And my other friends who do like paranormal podcasts as well, same pattern for them. And we just like we fall off a cliff overnight.

And, you know, my downloads are pretty consistent. They don't seem to have been affected. So what happened? Now, my theory is, I have a friend who works, for a major terrestrial radio company. And they have a podcast division. And he said this quarter for the first time in history, their podcast division brought in more money than the terrestrial radio division.

So if you notice on your podcatcher, and this is something I noticed on mine, I stopped getting recommended independent podcasts and started getting recommended things that were made by IHeart Radio and Funny or Die and all these big media companies. that's what I get recommended. That's what's on the front page of the pod catcher all of a sudden. Now, it seemed like to me it happened around the same time.

I don't know. My theory is, and it's just a theory, I don't know. My theory is it looks really bad for a little show made by a guy in his home, like Strange Familiar, to be number seven and to have shows produced by our heart media to be behind that, whether it's 50 or 200 or whatever. So I wonder if there's not a page. to play element that came into this. I used to work in the music business and everything's paid to play there.

They pretend it's not, but it absolutely is. If you go into a record store and you see the CDs on the N-CAP, they have paid to be there. Even if it's Joe's record barn in Albuquerque, New Mexico or wherever, some little teeny local record shop. I used to think, oh, it's what the employees like, it is not. They are paid to be there. Everything you see is paid placement in the music business. And I think it's come home to roost in podcasts.

said this is the way business is done with big media. I think they rolled in with money. Again, just my theory, I don't know. But it feels like the same thing that was happening in the music business. I think they rolled in with money and said, oh, that doesn't look good to have those little podcasts up there near the top. Let's do something about that. Yeah.

And that's one of the things. It kind of falls in line with the idea and theory that I had because from what I understand, I forget who told me this, but somebody had told me because I wasn't sure how the iTunes thing was working. as far as how do they rank shows? And somebody had told me that they do it based on, you know, people, new subscribers. So if you have a lot of new subscribers coming into your show,

your show is higher in the charts. And so if they're not recommending your show and they're recommending IHeart radio type stuff and all that, your subscribers are going to go, the amount of people subscribing your show is going to drop a little bit or maybe a lot because they're not recommending your show. And therefore, you're going to drop outside the top 200,

which is a win-win. It's all about the algorithm, you know? we're going to promote these shows, then their shows aren't going to get the subscribers because they're not getting pushed up. And then they're just going to drop up because I noticed that the amount of downloads I get off of iTunes hasn't changed, but the charts did. And I think it's because I have a lot of people who are subscribed on iTunes, but I don't think my show is being exposed on iTunes like it was at one time. So it's just staying neutral. Exactly. That's the thing. And I've noticed, you know, I don't know if your subscriber growth has changed in any way.

mine kind of plateaued around the same time. Yeah. Wes, you got anything? No, I just know the same thing you guys are talking about. I mean, it happened overnight with, as you were saying earlier, Tony. I mean, we were in the top 20. We used to fight for spots, and now we're like 230. And it's only with iTunes. And I don't know what games are playing, but I noticed with, like, Stitcher, I'm still

in the top 10. My stats haven't changed one bit. And the amount of people listening hasn't changed. It's just for whatever reason they have us down the list. I think Tim nailed it, to be honest with you. I don't think it's some guberment experiment or guberment coming after everyone. You know what I mean? I don't think it's that.

I think Tim nailed it. I think Big Media has looked at us and they said, we can make money at podcast. They realize that, you know, and then they've come. They're here. They're here. And I think it's a little bit more than that to it. I think what happened is, I think what ended up happening is guys like you who've had podcasts,

you get out there and you completely kick these other companies behinds, right? And what ends up happening is they couldn't compete. So they all served several big tech companies got together and made an agreement that they were going to start promoting what they called approved content, but trusted content is the word they were using. And so when you start talking about trusted content, they're talking about corporations like IHeart Media and CNN and Fox News and all those different people.

And what it does is it does funnel cash into those companies and keep them afloat because all those media organizations were dying because of the competition from guys like us. So in order to prop them up, them up. They had to do that. Now, the problem is, although they prop them up, and they're going to run some scribbers to them, they're going to do what they've continued to always do, which is a lot of people and I give them information. And eventually, people are going to seek us out again, and they're going to die. You know what I'm saying? They're already dying. They're going,

you know, this is kind of the death throws of mainstream media and mainstream media platforms, because they won't give people the truth and people want the truth. I hope you're right, because I, I, I felt like we were growing. I felt like my show was grown. I'd like to keep that up. Yeah. And here's the thing. I mean, I think that there's a lot going on here with this whole new era that we live in, the tech era. And Tim, remind me to listen, I'll just say it now, you can still grow your show. And there's not one company out there that can hold you down. It's just how much are you willing to work for it? because it takes a lot of grunt work to grow the show, especially if these podcast providers like iTunes or YouTube or whatever are going to try to actively suppress your content. You have to go right to the listeners then.

And I could go on and on about that. But I've spent hours upon hours a night working on going straight to the listeners and find it. And you just got to reverse engineer how people are hearing you. And so, but going back to what I was going to say here, it's, we got this whole new era of technology. And it provides a new problem. Okay. And Darkwires, you talked about this a little bit earlier. The mainstream media was top dog for a long time. And the mainstream media is propagandized. Okay. It is absolutely propagandized because back in 2012, there was the NDAA that was

kind of, let's just say adjusted. And part of that adjustment was to legalize the use of propaganda on the American public. This is fact. You can look it up. It was proposed by Mack Thornberry, a Republican out of Texas, and Adam Smith, Democrat out of Washington. And this actually happened. And it basically nullified the Smith-Munt Act, which was founded in 1948, which I think is ironic because the book 1984 was written in 1948, and it talks about this exact stuff. But it is quite legal to propagandize. And when you have the government arm extending into the media now to propagandize things, they're not the problem. But now they have this new problem of social media and all the independent voices that are out there that are rivaling the mainstream media.

It's a new problem. Do you know what they did at the Builder Burger meeting this past year, they started talking about weaponizing social media. When I first heard about them, I'm like, how can you weaponize social media? By doing this exact thing, by going into social media, going into Twitter and having Twitter ban certain accounts, have YouTube ban certain accounts, have Alex Jones types kicked off the platforms. That's how they're weaponizing social media, because if they can get these people us off of social media, now they can propagandize social media as well. And they're basically choosing what you can hear as an audience, what you can. listen to, who you're going to get your opinions and thoughts from. They are controlling people's

minds by controlling what they hear. And I was talking to a guy, I think it was probably on Facebook or something. I posted about this probably last year sometime. And he basically told me that it's that he knows it's propaganda. He knows they're brainwashing him, but there's nothing he can do about it. So he's not going to do anything about it or something like that. Like he was basically saying, hey, I know they're doing it. But what? else whether options do I have. I'm like, turn it off. Turn off the mainstream media. And he's like, well, I can't do that. I'm like, okay. But it's just a 100% proof of how brainwash people are and how people are addicted to the next fix that these social media is giving them. And nobody wants to

think on their own. They want somebody else to give it to them. And when independent people like us are out here giving alternate views and alternate opinions on things, it presents a real problem. because what we're not saying every time and all the time, but what we're doing is we're giving you a new scenario to think on something else to a new, not everything's black and white. There's a lot of gray. And we're giving you the gray in life. And they don't want that because the truth lies within that.

And they don't want that. They want you to control you. They want Republican and Democrat fighting against each other. They want black and white fighting against each other. That's what they want. I'm sorry. I'm ranting. I don't even know.

You're right, though. And I think it's 2000, late 2000. 2012 or early 2013, what they did was they unleashed CIA tactics that were used abroad on the American people. And you've seen it. Remember, if you go back and look at the riots in Ferguson, look at the stuff that happens with and how it's played out in the media. Look at the Jesse Smolet case and see how it's played out in the media. You can almost see, well, not almost, you can see the narratives and how they're created and what they're intended to do. And now you can see the results on the streets where people are at each other's throats,

black against white, white against black, black against Asian, white against Asian. It's this, it's dissension all over the place. And while people are distracted with all the racial issues and all attention, then there's other things being done legislatively that just drive this nation closer and closer to hell. I'm not going to get into all that because I don't want to crack open those doors. but there's some very bad things going on while people are distracted with all this propaganda, and people are missing the boat. So it's so dangerous that I worry about it all the time.

I really, really do. It's just that dangerous right now. Because once you are able to shift people's opinion into a direction that's not good for the country and not good for themselves and not good for the neighbors and not good for the families, then you got a serious problem because once there's fighting in the street and blood in the street, which we've already seen, things are going to end up really, really bad in this country. They can get out of hand real quick. It's like people will say, well, why would they do that?

Well, that's the exact, maybe the people don't ask that question, but that's the exact question you need to ask. Why? Why would they do that? What would benefit them if they controlled the media? I think there's a lot of obvious answers that go along with that. But if they're suppressing you now, if they're starting to filter and funnel information in certain directions now, they're coming through social media and shows like ours or, you know,

let's just say Alex Jones or whatever, they're doing it for a reason. And I fear that there might be something coming down the pike that they're planning for. And that's why they're talking about at the Bilderberg meeting weaponizing social media. and why when they start talking about that, a week, I think it was like a week or two later, YouTube comes out and says they're deleting all these channels. Twitter yesterday deleted 5,000 accounts. Like, they're doing something now to prepare the way for something coming down the pike. Maybe it's something individually big, but also maybe this is the big thing.

Maybe what we're living right now is the big thing. The censorship right now that they're starting to do is the big thing because then once they have it all filtered out and censored across all platforms, then they can do whatever they want. They can do whatever, whatever they want. Do I sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist, probably? No. You just got much bigger than my podcast. And, you know, I wanted to talk about my podcast, how it affected me. Now, I'm just, you know, it's, it's all valid, valid points. I mean, you know, it's, I hate to think that it goes that big, you know what I mean? But maybe it does. And that's, you know, that's weird and scary. Tim, did you ever read the book in 1984?

Yeah, yeah, long time ago, but yeah. When you understand the premise of that book, when you think about the premise of that book and what's going on today and changing the way people speak and redefining things, and I'm not going to, you know, go off on tangents here, but it seems like in 1984, the government wanted you to think a certain way. They wanted you to believe certain things. And they went to these great lengths to make it happen. And you see it unfold in the book where people actually get to, it gets down at a point where two plus two equals five. That's not true. But everybody in the book that was part of the system and going along with the system, they believed that two plus two equals five. And it was just like in the book, he wrote it as like

the orders came in. And then there were certain people that relayed the information to other people. and in one moment, everybody starts believing that two plus two equals five. And it's the process of manipulation that he starts talking about. And I really feel like that's what we're, what we're dealing with right now in this country and in this world where they are filtering social media to the point where the only thing you can look at is what they want you to look at. And I guess that's what I'm trying to say is that, you know, through these different platforms, iTunes, they're excluding content. They're pushing stuff aside. They're making sure that certain things are on top of other things so that, you know, your stuff gets put down and nobody sees it

because they don't want people seeing it. Like, it's just true. I mean, with my show, I touch on touchy subjects sometimes. I had that 9-11 show with Susan Lindauer last year. That's a touchy subject. It's a real touchy subject when somebody comes on the show and says, we knew that 9-11 was going to happen and we talked about it all the time. When somebody says that, that's a problem. And so I just, when I started thinking about this stuff more and more, I started thinking, man, like, I really felt guilty about not speaking out when it happened with Alex Jones back whenever it happened because now here I am just a few months later and I feel like it is affecting me. And, you know, all I can do now, I guess, is talk about it now. So that's what I'm doing.

Yeah, it's... Well, you know, there's a little bit... I'm sorry. Oh, go ahead, man. I'm sorry, go ahead. No, go ahead. Now we're going to say there's a lot more we can do about it. I just don't know if, I don't know if everybody in the paranormal community is ready to take on that task and fight that battle. But the combined audiences that everybody has, if you were to pick a congressman or a senator and everyone did a show.

And it has to be everyone across the board because they can't be able to pick off one or two people. It would be everyone. And you just told your audience, call this senator and say, you know, we don't appreciate others. Congressman and say, look, we don't appreciate the social media censoring. It would change, and it would be pressure that you put on them to change that. The problem that I've discovered, the reason why I never proposed it and I wouldn't even do it, is because there's always going to be a certain group of people who want to stay out of the fight, and then there's going to be those people who fall on the sword to protect them,

and they end up getting protected, but you died in the process. Unfortunately, that's how it goes, but combined are paranormal, you know, Bigfoot UFO community has enough listeners to put so much pressure on congressmen and states and senators that you could affect a lot of change because you got to understand. Your audience should span across all of the states. So phone calls from, you know, like let's say it's Texas and it's a Texas congressman. And everybody says, all my listeners in Texas call this congressman and tell them how we feel about social media censorship, and it's across all spectrums of the paranormal world,

but that guy's going to get millions of phone calls. Millions of phone calls. And guess what? He's going to say, holy crap, look at all this pressure that's being put on me about this. I'm going to have to do something. And it's all in this, you know, it's all coming from somewhere where votes come, or they're going to start changing and they're going to start doing something. The issue is people, you know, we haven't moved to that part or that, to that level yet.

because there has to be activism. Once you get to the point to where you start activating the audience, now you start defending ground, defending your niche, and now you can kind of fight off those wolves at the front gate. But until we get to that point, you're going to see this steady, just chopping away at things and chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, until it's all gone. Is that something possible? Yes.

How many people will get on board? Not a lot, I doubt, because most people don't even believe in the censorship. You got to get past the point where people believe it's a private company and they can do whatever they want to do. And you have to almost let it get to the point to where enough people in the paranormal community get affected and they start losing money and losing views and losing listeners to where now it's everybody's problem.

Then you can rally the troops and actually do some damage. But we probably got 12 to 18 months before we get to that point. And again, it might be too late, you know. Yeah. I wonder sometimes, like, if the people that listen to our shows, do they believe that there's censorship issues going on or not? I don't know because, you know, most people that listen to our shows, they're not creating content. They're not directly involved in the process like, like we are. And so they're receiving the content and they're enjoying it. And so I'm not sure

if they maybe even really, I guess, see what we're talking about. But I'm not crazy. I swear I'm not crazy. The media is a propaganda arm of the government. The NDA that was passed back in 2012 says that. You can go back and read that. And just last year, the U.S. Department of Defense on Twitter, now this is where it's at now. They're openly admitting things. They're like bragging about it. They're putting it right in front of our face and they're bragging about it. Now, I tend to be down on Hollywood, okay? I don't know if I've ever said that on the show before, but I think there's fishy things that are going on with Hollywood. And I believe that Hollywood is another extension of our government for the propagandization.

And this tweet from our U.S. Department of Defense, I think, puts it all in perspective. They said, it's Oscars 90s Sunday. And did you know that the hashtag DOD works with Hollywood to ensure the military is correctly portrayed in films? Find out how this partnership works and they give a link. Like they're directly saying that we are directly involved. in the production of these movies to make sure that whatever image is portrayed of us and the government is what we want it to be portrayed at. So can you, like, I know people don't go to the

movies for news, but you have to understand that the other side of that is whatever you are seeing is only what has been approved by your own government. That's, to me, that's a scary thing. Well, but that's how it's always been. Well, it's still scary. Did you guys ever see the news where they show all the news stations around the United States and they're all reading the same script? Oh yeah. And with the censorship, our day's coming. I mean, we're going to have to go away sooner or later because when they show Bigfoot

on TV, it's always a newscaster laughing and then they come over and listen to my show and I'm not laughing and I'm going through encounters, it's a huge pain in the ass for them. Just like DW show, Tim's show, your show, Tony. It shows a different side of the media won't show you. And I think it's a huge pain in the ass for them. I think censorship is coming, whether you like it or not. Yeah. No, I agree with you.

And, you know, it's one of those things where our shows present, they present a dilemma because people can go to our shows and hear people's first-hand accounts of what they experience. So let's just talk, let's just keep it on Bigfoot here. Now, they can go to Sasquatch Chronicles, Strange Familiers, Dark Waters, the Confessionals, and hear these firsthand accounts of people seeing these things that aren't supposed to exist. And then it gets layered when you start doing things like Wesley, what you did back in the day with the insider shows. We have official people coming on to talk about this stuff that probably shouldn't be talking about it. And then you have, other encounters where, like, I think it was on today's show that you released, Wes.

What was your guest names, the first guy, Wes? Kevin. Kevin, that's what I was thinking, Steve, where Kevin was talking about these experiences that he had that were paranormal and Bigfoot and stuff, but like he had witnesses. He had family. And then you hear Kevin's voice and how he's saying, how on the show he said that he actually went back to his family members that witnessed it with him and asked them if he's remembering correctly and is he crazy before he goes on.

a show and shares it with the whole world. Like, you have somebody here who was concerned about not being accurate. He goes back to his family who experienced something crazy with him. And they're like, no, you're absolutely right. That did happen. Like, that's a problem because it's a firsthand account. And so I think what we're doing is presenting a unique problem that they didn't have to deal with before where they have in one spot, mass amounts of witness encounters of these types of phenomenon that people are starting to wake up to. and it just it disillusions everybody as to what they've wanted everybody to believe for so long. And when they shut me down, I'm going to go install 5G.

Sam, what were you going to say? Oh, I got lost there. But no, I think I think you're exactly right with that. I also think because we're not sitting there and going, oh, they're crazy and making fun of it, that's another thing too, because, I mean, I know you guys have experiences where people have contacted you, either guests or just live. listeners and just been like, thank you. You know, thank you for doing this because

you're not being, you're not treating it as a joke. You know, you're just, you're just listening to people and letting them tell their stories. And, you know, I think that's part of it too. We're not sitting there and goofing on it and making it a joke. And, you know, ha ha, isn't this funny? Aren't people crazy? You know, and it is.

It becomes kind of a problem because we're, I don't know. I don't know if it's because we're pointing out that it's not everything's not a, you know, a Newtonian materialist, you know, everything is exactly what it seems. And there are things that happen that are very, very strange.

Or if there's something else there. But I do believe it is a problem for a lot of people. Well, the truth of the matter is that we're watchmen at the gates. And you can't, with some of the things that's coming down the pipeline,

the watchmen have to be taken out. The watchman can't have a voice. You know, there's been upticking demonic activity has been, I mean, it's literally been documented by the Vatican where they started running out of exorcists, right? And they had to start bringing in independent people to do exorcisms. Who's going to talk about that? That's not going to be talked about on the mainstream media, right? The Watchmen are going to talk about it. People like us, people are going to be screaming saying, hey, look over here, read this article. The Vatican is talking about, you know, there's a huge rise in demonic activity. There are, you know, where there's talking about the grand solar minimum, where, You know, we moved from climate change into, what was it, global warming to climate change. And it made it seem like man has been controlling the environment when we all know that there's the water cycle, you know, and that everything on our planet is controlled by the sun. Well, you can get away with that narrative if there's no watchman. If there's no one standing guard saying, hey, that's BS. Don't listen to that.

Think about and use common sense. So what it is is they have to take out the watchmen. You have to silence those people in order for you to move forward with whatever agenda it is. You know, whether it's agenda 21 to move people into the cities and put 5G up and monitor everybody where they're going like they're doing in Hong Kong, China, and then give them all cancer or whether it's just to freaking put the mark of the beast on everybody and kill them. I don't know. Whatever their agenda is, you can't have independent voices speaking out that's going to have a counter-narrative. And that's what it boils down to.

And unfortunately, what the really, really unfortunate thing is, we're caught in a scenario now where people are trapped in a left-right paradigm where it's like, oh, this guy's on the other side of the fence with me, and I hate their content. And so screw them. If they get censored, I'm cool with it. And I remember going back about two and a half years ago, I spazzed out on a bunch of our narrators when they did the first ad apocalypse because they were saying when YouTube changed the appellate. algorithm, which algorithm, ladies and gentlemen, listening, only means that some human, a-hole designed a program that, you know, added inputs into a program that kind of weeds out things. It's not like some magical freaking thing. It's a program that's programmed by a person. It's not like it's programming itself. But they changed their algorithm and they said, if you didn't

have 5,000 subscribers or more, you couldn't be monetized anymore. And back then there were people celebrating saying, oh, yeah, there's going to be less competition. in the marketplace and I was the only one sitting there saying hey you know what you guys are jerks and I didn't use those exact words I said because if they came for those small guys so you think they're going to come for next you dummy you should be standing up for those guys and we're getting to that point now I mean we're really at that point now where it's it's going to go in that direction and they have no choice but to take out the watch of me because I can tell you now if there's strange cryptids roam in the planet to where they're coming out of

the woods and um demonic possessions on the rise to where it's apparent and evident on a daily basis, I'm talking about it, and I know you guys are going to talk about it. So they got to push that down so the audience just can't get a hold to it, because if not, people are going to wake up, and that's what we're going through. If you look around the world, it's kind of turmoil everywhere, but also there's a mass awakening happening around the world as well. So it's kind of like the best of times and the worst of times.

And I know that the forces that be are aware of the fact that there's a mass awakening going, And this is their way of suppressing it. Unfortunately, they're not going to be able to suppress it. I mean, fortunately, they're not going to be able to suppress it because at the end of the day, once people start to wake up and realize what's going on, they're going to seek out the people who have the knowledge. They're going to the sources. And your algorithm can't stop a person from going to a website unless you're going to ban the website.

Like, you're going to have to ban URL addresses in order to stop people from getting information. And once you get to that point, then, I mean, you don't shut off half the internet. Yeah, you know, and that's the thing. I mean, to the audience that's listening right now, listening to this rant about stuff, if one day the Confessionals is no longer findable on these podcatchers, go to the Confessionalspodcast.com, because I'll be uploading there. Unless they, you know, like Darkwater's just said, they banned that. And I think all you guys have your own websites, too.

Tim, do you have your own website? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I thought. So, I mean, there's always that option, but hopefully it doesn't get there. But, you know, it's just one of the things where, you know, the media is not covering it because the supernatural paranormal, crypted, all that stuff. It's not supposed to be real. It's not supposed to be real. And it is. People are experiencing it every day. And the internet and all the stuff that we do now has presented a new dilemma for them because it's like, how do we control this? We've been controlling it for God knows how long. And now we can't control it. So how do we control it? So how do we control it? Builderburgers, weaponize social media, take down YouTube channels, take down Twitter accounts, algorithms that push shows down in iTunes, that's how we're going to weaponize social media and the internet. Well, I think you hit on something there.

It may come to the point, it's hard to activate your audience. They just, you know, they want to tune in and hear a show, you know. In West's case, they want to hear Bigfoot encounters, you know. In our case, they want to hear, you know, whatever we're talking about for the week. they probably don't want to be activists, you know, but the day will come or if the day comes where they do turn on their podcatcher and we're not there, then they might fire off an email. You know, I mean, that might be what it takes to finally, you know, activate the audience. And that's not to insult the audience. I don't blame them.

Like, that's, I don't listen to podcasts to become an activist. I listen to podcast because I love podcasts, you know. So I'm not pointing a finger at the audience there. Please don't know and take it that way. I completely understand. But I think, you know, that might be what it comes down to, you know, when when they can't get it, then they'll start, you know, asking questions. You know, because it doesn't matter to our listeners, it doesn't matter whether we're number 10 or number 200. But they don't care.

They're just listening to the show, you know, that's for us. It's nice for us to see that we're doing well. But I don't think, you know, once we already have our listeners, you know, the core listeners, they don't care what number we come in at. to listen every weekend. Yeah, you're absolutely right, because they're already here. They're happy. They're enjoying the content. So it's no wordy to them. I absolutely agree with you, man. Guys, thanks for coming on and talk about this. Anybody have any parting comments or words of wisdom? You guys aren't a lot of fun to talk to. I didn't know you were still here, Germmer. I forgot you were all here. Well, guys, let's talk about Bigfoot in my back cave. I don't want to be shut down. Right on, man.

Well, thanks for joining in on the activist movement here then, Wes. No, guys, I do appreciate you coming on talking and stuff with me. I thought it was just be fun to sit down and talk about different topics and stuff. And obviously, the censorship topic kind of took over and got me a little riled up. So hopefully everybody's okay with that. But to be honest with you, DW, I was listening to some of your stuff on your YouTube channel. and I saw that you had posted a video talking about this very stuff on your YouTube channel. And I'd like to just play that going out of here just so that people can hear your official thoughts on the matter.

Because I thought the things that you said on there were very, very well done. And before we actually get out of here, Tim, I wanted to ask you a question. I want to put you on the spot, man. Are you going to Pericon this year? Huh? Spring City, Pennhurst. I don't know. I was thinking about it.

I saw you were going there. Yeah, man. You got a table, right? Yeah, I got a vendors table there and stuff. I'm going to be at Paracom. This is my way of promoting what I'm doing. But yeah, I'm going to have a vendors table at Perricon at Pennhurst Asylum in Spring City, Pennsylvania, July 20th and 21st. It starts at 10 a.m. on Saturday morning and goes through 6 o'clock Sunday evening. You have to purchase a day pass for both days. But if you'd like to come out to Pennhurst Asylum and meet me at the vendors table, there's going to be a lot of great speakers like Grant Wilson from Ghost Hunters and a bunch of other people that you would know from TV are going to be there. It's going to be a great time.

So if you're interested coming out, I highly recommend it. But getting out of here, I just want to let everybody know, Dark Waters. Your website is I Am Dark Waters, right? I am Darkwaters.com. Yes, sir. And then you can go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And Timothy Renner, what's your website? Strange Familiar's.com.

Right on. All right, guys. Thanks for being here. Talk to you. What's up, ladies and gentlemen, it's your boy, Dark Waters. And look, I'm going to shoot from the hippo on this message, but I want to make you aware of some things. And to each and every one of you who are going to hear this,

I need your help accomplishing a goal. So I'm coming to you right now and I'm asking for your assistance. All right. Listen to me good though. And I need you to be clear that this is just not about me. This is about everybody who enjoys great content on YouTube that deals with cryptids, the supernatural, the paranormal, horror narration, and everything else.

This is important to each and every one of you who consume this information. But before I go into it, I'm going to give you an example of what I'm talking about and how you can test out what I'm saying. When I first started on YouTube, when you typed in Bigfoot, Bigfoot stories, or just the word Bigfoot, what came up as the search results were people like the Bigfoot outlaws or Britain Sawin or Alon Strickler or even some of the heartings. narrators that did kind of Bigfoot stories. Now what you see going on is that mainstream media sources have been pushed up in the rankings as far as it pertains to search results.

So if you type in Bigfoot, you'll see something like Animal Planet comes first. Well, when you go and explore Animal Planet, they only got two or three videos on Bigfoot, but there are thousands of videos by horror narrators with Bigfoot stories, interviews with people who talk to Bigfoot eyewitnesses and things of that. nature. What's going on right now and what we're experiencing as a whole in this industry, and I'm speaking for the horror narration industry, the paranormal industry on YouTube, and the kind of crypted supernatural industry is censorship. And it goes back to one of the meetings that Sundar Pachai had in Congress. I think it was maybe six months ago. I could be wrong

on a time frame in which that happened. But he was being grilled on conspiracy theories as it pertains to politics. And then coming out that meeting, his organization, which is Google, which owns YouTube, decided they were going to start cracking down on conspiracies. Well, ladies and gentlemen, I'm here to tell you that there is nothing more conspiratorial than the things that we talk about in this industry. Dogman, Bigfoot, the rake, aliens, UFOs, you don't get any more conspiratorial than that. And that is what we are starting to experience as creators and narrators.

Now I want to get to the point of what I think should be done and where I need your help. And let me say this, irregardless of your political, stands, this is something that needs to be done. The President of the United States just put out a survey that allows you to submit your information to talk about how you've been demonetized, blocked, banned, or censored through social media. And I think it's very important that everyone in the hard-narration community, everyone in the supernatural kind of Bigfoot cryptic community goes over, and if you've been demonetized,

or if you had a video taken down, or even if you had a channel that they, changed the rules and your channel didn't exist because it didn't have the right criteria, I think you need to go ahead and submit your information and be a part of this petition to put some pressure on big tech about their current censorship. Here's why. At the end of the day, creators are what made YouTube. Now, I know someone's going to sit there and say, well, YouTube is a private company. They're going to do whatever they want to do. No, YouTube is not a private company. Neither was Facebook. All of them were created by DARPA, which is our federal government, and they had federal funding to get started. Go,

back and do your research you'll find out that I know what I'm talking about and this is true. So here's the problem that we're facing. You guys, myself and everyone else, people are being screwed over, people are being censored, people are being demonetized and then remonitized. They're reading every word in your video. There are certain words that you cannot say because if you say that word, then your channel is shadow band and you see it. I've seen it tremendously.

For example, 31,000 subscribers and when we did a notification test, less than 10% of those people get a notification. It's ridiculous. And I know other people are experiencing it. And I know other people are experiencing it. So I need you guys to get the word out. Now, I don't have the best relationships with people in the hard narration community. And I'm fine with that. I really don't care. But you have relationships with them. So you spread the word to them and tell them, hey, this is what's going on. Go to your favorite cryptic channel, your favorite Bigfoot channel, your favorite dogman channel, your favorite hard narrowing your favorite UFO video creator top five creator and tell them what's going on because i guarantee you

the majority of them do not know but here at the dartwater's family we do know and so it's our job to spread the word and make sure that we can start to facilitate a change or at least do our part in facilitating the change i believe in the dartwater's family and i know you guys at the core you're a lot like me at the core you're willing to fight you're willing to take a stand and so i'm asking take a stand with me. Head on out, share the information, share this video, posted in places where people are going to have a problem, posted on Facebook where people are going to be like,

oh, Doug Waters is a jackass. Post it everywhere, that's fine. Let them say what they're going to say, but the message is important that it gets out to everybody so they know what to do to try and stop it. Ignore the political arguments. I don't care if you right wing, left wing, I don't give a shit. At the end of the day, this is about making sure that everyone is not screwed over.

I love you guys. I appreciate you. Thank you for swimming in the dark waters. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show. Just take the link and share it in emails with friends, share it on your Facebook wall, wherever you have social media.

Please share the show. That's one of the best things you can do to help support the show. And until next week, friends, take care, stay safe, and remember. The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. Bye. What?