The Confessionals - 135: Beware of the Yucca Man

Episode Date: June 24, 2019

On Episode 135: Beware of the Yucca Man, we have two guests joining The Confessionals! First, guest Dan describes many experiences he had that can only be described as “Bigfoot” activity. Following Dan’s accounts, we talk with Allan about the time a Yucca Man attacked his pickup truck in Arizona! Tickets for ParaCon 2019 at Pennhurst Asylum: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/live-eventsSubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaISubscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail]: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcastTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelShow Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUwShow Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3Show Art: Alika Spahn Naihe (www.hauoliart.com)Audio Trailer: Dalton Boyd (www.soundcloud.com/supernova-city)Outro: Get Free by Emorie

My gosh, Rob, do you see that? We've waited our entire lives for this. He's so beautiful. How many people can actually say they've seen a big foot in person? I know, I know, I know. Look at how the full moon just glistens off of his majestic fur. He kind of stinks. Like 50 wet dogs.

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This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. Beech up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. A giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, he holds it. them up like this.

Somebody else. Shoot them in the face. Shoot them in the face. They basically decapitated. And I look over and there are two. Push and because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yep.

Welcome to the show. Everybody, you're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. That's The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com.

Or go to the website, com hit the connection section and you can reach me that way as well either way it works for me just get a hold of me now this week we have a two-part show coming up first off we have dan and dan comes on to share his bigfoot experiences he's never seen a big foot but he's had a lot of experiences that he knows they were around when he was around and then we bring on allan and alan had a yucca man encounter in arizona a yucca man is pretty much a big foot that's in arizona and he has this experience where it actually attacked his pickup truck so he comes on to share his experience plus some other things. But before we get into it, I want to let everybody know we're going to be at Perikon at Pennhurst Asylum in Spring City, Pennsylvania on July 20th through the 21st. If you want to come out and meet me at the vendors table, please feel free to go to the Confessionalspodcast.com. Look at the live events section and you can purchase tickets right from the website. So without any further delay, let's get to this week's show.

Okay, tonight I have a good guest coming on. I have Dan and Dan has some Bigfoot-like experiences. Let's just put it that way. Dan, how you doing? man. I'm doing fine, Tony. Thank you. Awesome. Awesome. So what do we got going on here? I mean, you, you have never really actually seen a Bigfoot, but you have had these experiences pretty close in time together. So why don't you just kind of walk us into what exactly you experienced this stuff and we'll go from there? Okay, sounds good. I think the first thing that we need, that I want to establish is that the area where these two occurrences occurred has a long history of activity. I know you and a lot of your listeners and including myself, were all familiar with

Sasquatch Chronicles. And before Sasquatch Chronicles ever came along, there was another website that I was part of where you could, you know, share experiences. And so going back many, many years, there's, you've got, you know, pre-Susquatch Chronicle sites where there were a database of sightings in this area. If you go to the BFRO database, you'll see a ton of sighting occurrences, but what they like to classify as A and B in this same area that I am about. to speak of. So before I go into both those both experiences, it's important to understand that

this area has a long history of occurrence. As a matter of fact, not that I put too much credence into the show, but the finding Bigfoot show has been there not once, not twice, but three times. As a matter of fact, the very first episode of their very first season was in this area that I'm about to speak of. Okay. So, so the area is just, you know, ripe with activity and has been for a while. So the first experience happened at a campground, and this was almost one year ago. This was August of 2017. And it was just, it was just your basic, good old garden variety campground. And what happened was, I was in my tent sleeping, and I was awakened around 4 a.m. And the reason why I remember that is because when I woke up, the first thing I did was look at my watch and it said like 402 a.m.

And I was awoken by a pack of howling coyotes, which is nothing new for that area. But here's where it gets really strange. About three to four seconds after the coyotes started howling, this super low, super powerful, guttural. roar comes out of nowhere and completely drowns out the coyotes. And it wasn't your typical kind of roar that you would hear out of, say, you know, like a lion or a bear. The best way I can describe what I heard was this massive overpowering what sounded like someone saying Yahoo. And I didn't know this until I researched it, but apparently.

other people who have had a siting or they've been in an area that has had a history sightings have heard something similar in different parts of the country. Like I think I remember reading about some parts of Florida that have had activities where they heard this Yahoo-type guttural roar. Also, West Virginia, Tennessee. But nonetheless, that's what I heard. And what was amazing was it was so powerful that I could feel it. I could feel it coming up through the ground, through my sleep, into my sleeping bag.

And it just, it just, I could feel the vibrations, which tells me that this thing, this creature was not very far. I'd say at the most, he was maybe, you know, maybe 75, 100 yards away. And for a creature to produce those kind of vibrations, I mean, that had to be one massive creature. in my humble opinion. And another strange thing is when that Yahoo roar kind of took over the airwaves, if you will, the coyotes all of a sudden stopped, and this creature just kept on going.

And I remember kind of chuckling in my tent, although it wasn't really a funny situation. I'm like, you know, I'll be darned if that's not a big foot nearby. And even though there's a major road running through there, through that campground, but, you know, it's still a heavily wooded area. I mean, you just walk a couple hundred yards in each direction. You're in deep forest. And I couldn't help but think that this particular creature that night was closer to,

if you want to call it, you know, civilization than, then I realized. Yeah. Now, when you said that it yelled, I mean, first of all, when we say Yahoo, I mean, are you legit saying it was like, Yahoo? like that kind of how yeah yes but in a very low very powerful and kind of a slower manner also

like yah I know that's a horrible impression but something along those lines okay I mean that's what I was looking for because I wasn't quite sure exactly like the pitch and all that stuff but I mean I definitely

have heard of the Yahoo with these people dealing with Bigfoot and things like that. And you said that, how long did it carry out? I mean, you said it carried on for, did it carry on for a while, like doing it over and over again? Or did it just carry it out for a long period? It did it three times over the course of about, I guess that let, I guess all in all, it was about two minutes.

Okay. So about two minutes going over and over again. And did you ever hear any other sounds answering back or anything? Did it just sound like one animal? it just sounded like the one i didn't hear i was actually i i got a little i i i don't mind admitting i got a little frightened and so i i kept i was like peeping my head out of the tent looking towards the wooded area i keep i kept thinking i want to listen for bipedal heavy bipedal footsteps which i never heard um and i didn't hear any replies i didn't hear any

wood knocks or anything like that just those two minutes worth of roaring yawks who sounds. That's interesting. I mean, I've definitely heard that and stuff. I wonder if it was anything to do with it kind of answering back to the coyotes, like almost like trying to threaten them or something. Did you get a sense that it was trying to communicate directly with them, or do you think it was trying to just vocalize over them? I'm not quite sure. It was definitely vocalizing over them. And I can think of one of two, I guess, motivations to do that. One is just to play with them and say, hey, I'm nearby and I'm going to, I can pretty much tear you an nap if I want to. Or the other would be that, I don't know, maybe this creature had something,

its eye on a deer, because there's a lot of deer in that area, or, and it was, it was establishing itself in the area as a way to tell the coyotes stay away from my food source. I don't know, maybe something along those lines. You said that you felt the vibrations from that. through the ground, right? Yeah, I did, Tony. I really did. And that was, that was quite unnerving because to feel that is, to feel that your mind starts wandering how big and powerful is this thing? And it, it frightened you. Yeah. I can imagine. I mean, I've never experienced anything like that, but I can't imagine the power that something would have to give in order for you to actually feel it through the ground.

I'm assuming you felt it into your bones then almost, you know, like you kind of just felt the whole thing. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, I did. And I think I had two sleeping pads underneath me that night, too. Wow. So, I mean, you've, I know you've looked into the topic, you know, pretty extensively when it comes to Bigfoot. You've heard of the infrasound topic of these things.

And people say that they feel the infrasound. do you think that that had anything to do with or do you think this was a straight up physical feeling that you were having from the vocalizations being that powerful? You know, I can't say for certain. I'm just not, I'm not expert enough to really conclude if it's one or the other. Plus, at the end of the day, no one really knows what this creature is. So, you know, all we have is our opinions. it could have been either or. It could have been just, it could have been just its way of communicating that I'm in the area, and that's the powerful side effect you get,

or it was using infrasound. It could be either or. Yeah. And I just, you know, when I hear people say that they felt something physically when it came to, not like it actually touching them, but like either it was vocalizing or it was, you know, sometimes people describe it as infrasound. I always wonder, you know, are they both the same? Are they two different things that people are feeling? You know what I mean? Because like, I don't know.

Like, I've never been exposed to infrasound. I don't know if it's something that when you feel it, like you physically feel almost as if it's a rumbling or what. I don't know. But it's a very interesting thing. Very interesting. Yeah. The best way I can like put, give an example is, have you ever like stood on the side of the road and you're a little bit too close and a you know 18 wheeler passes by and you can feel it going now you can feel the breeze too but what i felt well i didn't feel any breeze i just felt that that vibration just like if just like when they when a vehicle drives by and you're standing close to the side of the road being a truck driver i definitely know what you mean yeah those things drive around me a lot Hi, I'm here you. So the second experience happened just 30 days later in September of 2017. Once again, not far from where the campground I was at, and again, and I don't think this will be a bad thing, but just for the listeners, this area of North Georgia is where there's 80 miles of Appalachian Trail in North Georgia. And this specific area is, like I said, it's no secret because the finding Bigfoot people have gone.

There's been a lot of encounters written, a history of encounters, you know, documented in that area. But it's the, it's the CWMA, which is the Chattahoochee Wildlife Management Area of the Appalachian Trail. At this time, though, 30 days later, I was backpacking the Appalachian Trail. And this was a part of the trail that isn't far from the campground that I was staying at. and being that I wasn't staying at a campground, I was actually backpacking. This time I'm much deeper, you know, in the woods. It was around 6 o'clock in the evening,

and I was at a part of the trail. I wasn't at one of those lean-to shelters, but I was at kind of a clearing, and the ground was level, and you could see where other campers had camped there because there were fire rings. and there were a few other campers around as well that had already decided to pitch there for the night. So I just went ahead and joined them.

And so me and the other campers that were there were standing around talking about some of the hiking we had done and so forth. And this particular area, like I said, it was kind of a flat area. And there was a ridge, I'd say, about 50 yards above that flat area where we were all camping. camping. And shortly after we had, you know, started talking and, you know, making some meals and getting some campfires going, we hear this massive tree hit the ground. You could hear that snapping sound of the wood first, and then it hit the ground. And literally a few seconds after that tree had hit the ground, me and the other hikers that were around were standing around talking, what was that?

And then what we heard, it wasn't just me, it was me and the other hikers. The best way I can describe this is what we heard was a very loud, deep guttural grunt. I don't know if you've ever looked at documentaries unlike the National Geographic Channel or studied some of Jane Goodall's works, but any any documentation that's out there where you I guess the best way to to give an example

would be a silverback gorilla grunt you know it's very low it's very guttural it's you know and that's what we heard and we just stood there just completely shocked because you know you can tell a difference but if you're experienced enough you could tell a difference between deadfall and something being artificially toppled over. And then to hear that coupled with this gorilla-like grunt, we just froze right there in our spots. And everybody was wide-eyed, including myself, going, what was that? One guy even made a joke like, I think that's a Sasquatch.

And one guy started laughing. I didn't think it was very funny. But after that, Nothing else happened, though. So that's kind of like the good part is nothing. You know, the rest of the night was peaceful, no grunts, no other sounds. But here is where the story gets really weird. This particular trail, or I should say this particular section of the trail runs close to a U.S. Forest Service trail,

gravel road, excuse me, a U.S. Forest Service gravel road. And so one of my favorite things to do when I'm backpacking like that is to get up early, make a nice fire, and a hot cup of coffee. So I got up that following morning pretty early around 6.37 a.m. Got my fire going, got some coffee going. And there's a side trail with blue blazes to signify that there's water. nearby. So I start heading down this little side trail to pick up more water. And as I come out to this gravel road, which is used by the U.S. Forest Service, I see this white SUV that's completely

blacked out. And it has a huge sticker of a, we'll call it a patty silhouette. on the back of the truck. And I got kind of chuckled, and I said, oh, here's, I thought to myself, here's somebody I can walk up to and have a conversation with because I have a sticker of a patty silhouette on the back of my car. It was given to me as a joke,

but nonetheless, because I'm a believer, I put that sticker on there. And when I saw that, I'm like, oh, here's someone I can have a conversation with about, you know, about Sasquatch. So I took it, so I took what I was seeing. as a friendly visit from a fellow bigfoot enthusiast.

So I casually walk up to say hello and see if there was anything we could talk about. As I approached the SUV, the driver rolled his window down, not all the way about maybe a quarter down. And when I got up to the window, I immediately noticed something pretty odd. First, there were two guys in the SUV, and they weren't in police, they weren't in law enforcement uniforms, but they were completely dressed in full packed gear. They had two AR-15s on a gun rack and the back of the truck, and these guys were completely loaded down, like I said, with the tack dress, military-style boots, pistols at the ankles, black beanies, they had sunglasses,

you know, just completely decked out. And I playfully then said to the guy, to the driver, I said, hey, I saw the sticker on the back of your vehicle. I have one of those stickers on the back of my window. And then, as I said that, the second guy, the passenger guy, and he says kind of in a stuttering manner, that's just a practical joke sticker from my girlfriend. And they both kind of gave me this dirty look and then stepped on the gas and just booked it out of there. Now, where the conspiratorial part comes into play, I just find it too coincidental that these two guys act very strangely and show up very, very early the next morning after a tree was toppled over, followed with a gorilla-like grunt.

Just very, very odd. I can't say something else happened. I can't really honestly say they were there looking. for that creature because it made it soft down. I can't say that. But there is definitely something, you know, the old, what's that old saying where there's smoke, there's fire? I just find it way too coincidental that those guys happen to be in the same, same area

after a big foot occurrence, we'll call it. It's their, and their behavior was so odd, you know, I mean, 90% of, most of it, not all the time, but most of the time, you know, you'll get a hello, maybe a, just a quick, you know, conversation. And let's say that they were on some sort of, I don't know, some sort of job to do that wasn't Bigfoot related. But, you know, a professional would have said, listen, we hope you, we want you to be safe, have a good day. We need to move on so we can carry around with the tasks. None of that.

Just some very strange, oh, my girlfriend gave me that sticker, hit the gas, let's get out of here. Right, yeah. I wanted to ask you, like, do you think that maybe there was an embarrassment factor? Like, do you think that maybe they, you know, like whoever said that his girlfriend gave it to him, do you think that maybe, you know, he was more embarrassed that he had that sticker on his vehicle? That doesn't even make sense to me now that I'm saying it. Just because, like, say my wife gave me, I don't know, a ballerina sticker for my car, I'm not going to put it on there.

And if my wife put a ballerina on the back of my car, I'm going to take it off before I drive the car again. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, I think it's in my, again, this, I can only give an opinion. So in my humble opinion, it's one of two things. Either these guys were self-proclaimed hunters and were maybe they just got lucky and happy to be in the area of an occurrence. But they didn't want to be known for hunters. this creature, which doesn't make much sense because you got a big sticker on the back of your

truck. Or, so it's either two jokers who were just, you know, doing their own thing, or they were part of some sort of rogue operation that we just, that all of us are just unaware of. Yeah, I mean, and you said they had, what, two AR-15s? Yeah, I mean, they were decked out, Tony. I mean, you know, ankle pistols, two AR-15s, vests, sunglasses. the beanies, you know, the military boots with the pants. I mean, the whole nine yards. Yeah, that's interesting. That's interesting because, I mean, I know there's guys that, you know, that are Bigfoot researchers and, you know, they go out, decked out. I know, um, J.C. Johnson was one of those guys when he was still with us. He, you know, he would go out with,

you know, decked out in gear. Uh, but J.C. Johnson and most people who, who do go out, decked out in gear, they're not going to act like that. You know what I mean? They're going to be like, well, yeah, I'm out here. Look for the Bigfellow. Have you seen him? We heard there was reports last night that there was something going on here. Oh, you're into Bigfoot, too.

You know, they would talk about it. Because, I mean, it's not like every day you come across somebody else who's, you know, into the topic like you are. So when you do, you talk about it, you know, it's like finding a lost brother. Right, right. I tend to lean towards my first opinion, which is I think these were just a couple of, and forgive the phrase, I think there were just a couple of jokers.

I think they were guys who were looking for this creature on their own and became defensive when, but I think that they didn't want to be perceived as just a couple of guys who were out wanting to kill this thing. And so they got defensive and nervous when I asked them about it and just decided to take off. That's what I tend to lean towards. I can't help but think that if these were actual,

deep state government, whatever you want to call them rogue elements that are sent in the areas to control this creature, which I'm not quite sure about that. But if they do, I can't help but think they'd be a little bit smarter than what these two guys were. Yeah. And putting a sticker on the back of the vehicle and things like that, unless they're trying to attract people like you to them so that, you know, to strike up the conversations to find out what, who knows what and stuff. I mean, I'm just, you know, trying to explore all avenues. I personally, I'd probably, if you put a gun to my head, I'd probably say they're probably not government agents.

But if they were government agents or any kind of, you know, deep state operative or whatever you want to call it, I don't care. You know, if you think about it, if you're out there patrolling an area just trying to, you know, see what's going on and you know there's campers in the area, maybe doing something like that attracts people's attention to you and gets people talking to you and you find out things that you may not have known otherwise if you're just some guy that was dressed in a suit coming around asking people if they saw a monster in the woods. You know what I mean?

Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean... Yeah, very strange. Absolutely.

I mean, the tree, you know, the tree that came down is with, you know, it would follow with that gorilla like grail. front, that that's just super strange enough it is, but then you couple this together with these two guys and it, it, it, I'm like, I was very, I was very curious, but very alarmed all at the same time, you know? Yeah. No, I totally get it. I would have been thrown off too.

I really would have been thrown off too, because, like I said, I mean, if you go out and you come across another Bigfoot, I mean, when I'm driving down the road and I see somebody with a bigfoot sticker on the back of their truck or something like that, and I'm in my work truck, I just wish I could get their attention and I don't know like just you know give them a thumbs up or something I don't know because it's like wow there's somebody else that's you know totally digging the topic like I do and it's just like you know like a brotherhood and so for that to happen it's just it's just odd it's just very odd yeah because I have I just had an experience where I do delivery on my job and I was dropping off what I was delivering and a young girl came up to me because I was

because I kept my car parked out front with the hazards flashing. And a young girl had come up to me as I'm walking back to my car, and she was all alone, and I guess she was headed back to her place of work, because it's a plant that I was making this delivery to. And she said, you know, she goes, I dig your sticker. And I said, oh, I said, you do? She goes, she goes, yeah, she goes, no, this is a woman. This woman is like 28, 30 years old.

She goes, I saw a skunk ape when I was 17 in Florida. And to this day, it frightens me. But I don't tell people about it because I don't want to get made fun of. But I wanted to tell you because I saw you get out of your car and you've got a sticker on the back of your car. So that tells me that, like when that just, and that just happened last week. And that, that tells, that just makes the, the behavior of these two guys that I saw last year, even morod. Why wouldn't you want to be, have a friendly conversation unless you were, up to no good. You know, it's just, it's a situation where I came out with more questions than

answers. I know we're rehashing it, but just talking out loud, I mean, just the answer that they gave you, oh, my girlfriend is a practical joke and my girlfriend was playing a joke on me. I mean, like, if you just take that at face value, it's like, okay, you know, fine, but why did you take it off the car? You know, like, why didn't you take it off your vehicle yet? I mean, like, I just don't understand. Yeah. I mean, because, like, honestly, like, if anybody put a sticker on my car that I didn't want on my car, I'm taking it off before I go driving around.

That's just the way it is, you know? You just get the old hair dryer out and a piece of plastic. You heat up the sticker and you scrape it off. No big deal. That's the way it works, you know? Yeah. I just, yeah, it's a contradiction of behavior. It's like they're showing off that, hey, we're big foot hunters.

But, yeah, if you ask me about it, I'm going to hit the gas pedal and speed off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's very peculiar. But, I mean, you know, going back to your initial, how do we say, not encounters, but, you know, just experiences. Occurances, yeah. You know, like, that happened within, what, 30, 30 days apart or something? And the driving, the distance between that campground and where I was on that trail is maybe 15, 20, 20 months. miles, not that much at all. Okay. And that's what I was going to ask how far apart they were, because, you know, that's interesting. I mean, you hear these howls and then you hear the, what would you call it a tree snap or would you call it just a pushing over a tree?

No, I definitely pushed it over. And you could see the top end of the tree hit the ground, too. But all that, all that horrific snapping you hear as it's going down is, is what, you you know, when we heard it before it actually hit, you know, all that snapping is we could see what direction it was coming from. And then you could see the top of the tree hit that, hit the top of that ridge. Was it a, was it a healthy tree or was it a tree that was dead? It was definitely healthy. I didn't go up there, but apparently a couple of guys, the next, like a couple hours later, I was going to say the next day, but it wasn't that. A couple hours later, a couple of other hikers had gone up there. And they came back and said that all the other

trees surrounding this one were healthy. That tree looked healthy. And there was no deadfall to speak of. Okay. Yeah. I mean, healthy trees just don't fall over. You know, was it just relatively, was the ground really wet maybe? You know, like did it rain real hard and the roots uprooted? No, that particular weekend, the weather was great, no rain. And, One other hiker said, well, did you happen to see footprints? And they said they looked and they didn't see any because at that time, the ground was covered with a lot of leaves and pine straw. All right. Well, I don't know what else to tell you. I mean, you know, I'm trying to think of any explanation and stuff just to cover all our bases and stuff. And I mean, you got a healthy tree. The ground's not wet. It comes tumbling down right in the same area that you have these growls or these yawls.

who's that kind of vibrated through the ground so powerfully. That, I, you know, I've heard about the, you know, people hearing these things say, you know, Yahoo or whatever it is. And it's not an uncommon thing. And so with you saying that, and then on top of the power that was behind it, you start thinking, like, okay, so what's out here that can actually make that sound, you know, and do that? I can't think. I think for me, what it does.

is it, you know, and this is just my, again, my own humble opinion for me, but it completely validates what I experienced within 30 days of one another completely validates the activity that's been documented in that area. I can say with a straight face, clear conscience, however you want to say it, that if somebody else says, hey, this area has activity, I can say, yes, it does, because I've read about it and I've experienced it. Yeah, man, I'll tell you, you know, one of my patrons that's listening right now said, I'm not saying it was Bigfoot, but it was Bigfoot. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a good way to put it. I mean, I didn't see it, but let me tell you something, it was Bigfoot. Yeah. I'll tell you. You know, that's, yeah, it was, as far as I'm concerned, leans more towards Bigfoot than Coyote or even bear. I mean, I guess a bear could push over a tree. Are there bears down there in Georgia?

I don't know. Yeah, black bear. Okay, so I mean, we're talking about big. Not all, but most that you hear about or from like people see or they're more of the smaller, smaller brand of black bear. But they're out there. And you know, you still have to be careful. Yeah, but I'm saying like a black bear, they typically don't get big enough to be pushing over these big trees and of. I mean, how big was this tree again?

You know, I don't know. What do you want to go? Like 30, 40 feet high. You know, probably a foot and a half thick. I mean, it was a big one. Okay. Yeah, that's a big one. You know, so I don't know, man. Sounds like Bigfoot. Yeah. Well, apparently, let me say this. You know, the one thing you can deduce from that second experience that I described. The one thing you can say is someone else also believes that that's a highly active area, obviously. Right. And they believe it so much to go in full military gear and ride around on gravel roads in an SUV with a big sticker of Patty on the back of their SUV. Yeah. No, you're absolutely right, man. You're absolutely right. Well, so I'm not the

only one who believes that it's an active area, obviously. I just, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, It's such a head scratcher for me, though, Tony, to have that occurrence and then early, and look at the time of the day, 6.30 in the morning, clearly these guys were looking to be in an area that they knew they were probably hikers, which there were, but they wanted to get the early start, the early jump before everybody started getting awake so that they wouldn't be spotted or something. That's the way I took it. Well, I mean, I'll tell you, man, it's just a definitely very odd experience all the way around. I mean, you take that with the idea of, you know, the tree falling down the night before and then these guys are popping up and stuff.

It's just odd. But yeah, yeah, definitely odd. But I'll tell you what, Dan, I think, thanks for coming on and sharing these experiences with us. Thank you, Tony. I love your show. I love your, I love what you're doing. Keep doing it. I'll always be listening and God bless. I had like my, I call it my Marine Corps parents. Well, dad had gotten in a car accident and was killed. They heard about it. And so I got on a plane in a beautiful place. There was about 40 minutes outside of Richmond.

It was a beautiful horse property. I think it was almost 100 acres. So it was huge. And they had horse trails cut all over the place on it. and I got there and, well, this cabin, it was built back in the 40s, and it was a two-story cabin. We went to bed, and they had just gotten air mattresses for everybody to sleep on because all the furniture are still in New York being staged in the house.

I'm not exactly sure what time it was I woke up to go to the bathroom, got a drink, and I lay back down, and just as I'm getting ready, to go to sleep, I get like this rumble. It felt like the airbed was vibrating. It was like a low, low pace, you know, and I think what was magnifying it was the air mattress.

Got up, I looked around, you know, and I was listening, you know, see if the air conditioning had kicked on, you know, something mechanical in the house. A couple minutes go by, I lay back down, and just as I'm drifting off the bed again, it does it

again. And it does it like three or four more times until it's almost gone. So I didn't really get a whole lot of sleep that night. And so I get next morning, I'm talking to mom, and they're laughing, you know, ghosts in the house and this and that. I told them about it. She goes, well, you walked around a lot last night. And I'm like, no, once I woke up, I pretty much just sit there on the side of the bed. her bedroom is on the first floor but it's a separate off to the side of the house the two-story isn't

directly over her part of the cabin and she said it sounded like somebody was walking on the roof at night you know probably about the same time all this stuff was going on with me I keep wanting to talk to her about it but every time I call I'm not sure but you know figure out some way to you know ask her Alan how you doing man good how you doing Tony I'm doing good. So you had an encounter that most people don't ever describe it as, which is a Yucaman encounter. It's basically a seven to eight foot tall, big foot. But people call him Yucaman. And maybe you could detail as to why you called the Yucaman as you go through your story. But, dude, what happened here? I mean, what did you see? What happened? Well, I was stationed in 29 Palms. I was in the Marines, and this was back in 93. And right there, around 29 Palms, you have the Joshua Tree National Monument.

And just getting there, I like to get out and drive. And so I was out exploring the park, and I found this one nice little campground that I go out there and have a couple beers. and just kind of taking the scenery. Well, after being there a couple months, I met a gal, and that was kind of our thing to go out to the campground, and we'll take care of business. And we'd gone out for, I don't know, five, six months, and we'd gotten into a pretty big fight,

and she decided she was going to go back to Louisiana. and she was leaving in like a week and she'd called me and she'd want to have one little last get together and so we decided to go back out to our campground we were out there and uh it started getting a little chilly in the bed of the truck so we got in the cab and kept going and i started the truck to get the heater to warm up and it was about 15 20 minutes later uh something almost feels like it bumps the side of my truck. And she's like, what was that? You know, the windows are kind of foggy.

And we look around and it was not quite a full moon, but it was fairly, it was bright and it looked to see like a shadow behind the truck. So she starts screaming. I jump over into behind the driver's steering wheel, go it in reverse and back out real hard and turn the lights on. Well, you can see something kind of like walking around in the dust that I kicked up, you know, doing a reverse burnout. And she starts screaming that there's somebody on the side of the truck. So I drop her down in the first gear and take off out of there.

And the truck's kind of kicking sideways, and I feel something hit the back of the truck, the back of the bed. And it kind of shocks the truck. I just keep going and get on down the road. well I get onto the pavement and down to the highway we stopped and she's still kind of freaked out I'm freaked out we get dressed and I walk around to check the back of the truck and the side of the tell light bezel is kind of smashed in until it's broken and I'm thinking oh crap I'm going to get a ticket on the way in the base and sure enough I get stopped by the 29 Palms police get a ticket and then I get a ticket

at the gate for it. But, yeah, for heights-wise and anything else, I couldn't really tell you, she said it was as tall as the cab. So I'm going to say at least six, six and a half, maybe seven feet tall. And, you know, other than the broken tail light, you know, that's really all the damage you did to the truck.

It was probably about a week later she left. know, and I was in the shop fixing the tell light on the bedside and doing some bodywork on it and everything else to get the light back in it. And one of the sheet metal guys I worked with asked me, you know, what had happened. And, you know, I told him exactly what I just told you. And he's like, yeah, he says, he's sort of the same thing happening out there. And he's like, yeah, you know, don't go screwing around in the, Joshua Tree Parker, the yuckerman to get you.

And that's all I could really get out of him. And he wouldn't really talk about it anymore. And there's a couple other people there that I had said something about it. And they wouldn't say anything. So, yeah, I heard on Shannon's Into the Frey a couple weeks ago, one of her insiders. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know exactly what she's talking about. Yeah, man, that's crazy. I mean, so the Yucca man, and I'm assuming that's a regional name for it, right?

Yeah, it's a, yeah, a Yucca is a type of cactus that grows out here in the southwest, and there's a lot of that, you know, Yucca and Joshua Tree there in the monument. Okay. So, I mean, this has to be an adrenaline-filled moment. And did you ever venture to go back out that way? Yes, I did. I went out there just the, it was probably two days later. And when I went out there, I could see where I had backed out of where we were parked. Because it was gravel parking lot or hard dirt.

And when I took off going forward, I could see where I was, you know, burning out, basically. and when I hit, when it swung around, he hit, whatever it was, you can see the slight jog in the track of, you know, like, sidest wiping something. I didn't see any footprints or anything like that. Like I said, it was pretty hard ground. So, I mean, when you say you saw you sideswiping something, are you talking about, like, in the gravel, you saw your tires come to abrupt stop or that, like, you could see that it hit something that was there. Well, it was wide open, and it would be like just a slight squiggle in the

burnout of, like, the truck can knock sideways a little bit. It's kind of like, that's the way I can explain it. Okay. Almost like if you're, if you're turning and you hit it, like the curb, like if you hit a curb and then it would chalk, you're also sideways a little bit. Right. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, I wonder, I mean, the guy who said you better watch out for, or the Yucca Man will get you. I wonder what he knew. And you said that other people had a hard time talking about it. Have you ever, you know, I don't know, done some looking into it? Is this like a common thing that people are experiencing in that area? Possibly. Like I said, there's a couple locals that I got kind of be friends with. And anytime I would talk about it, they get kind of hush-hush and no, no, that's nothing. That's nothing kind of thing.

and uh because I don't know if you've ever been out to 29 palms it's kind of a really different place um it's there's a lot of abandoned

houses out there uh kind of the story I got was back when they were trying to populate California more uh the government would basically give you

so many acres to move to California is kind of the story I got. So people would go out there, they build a house, but there's no water. So it's, there's a lot of strange people out there. I'm sure. So, all right, so you guys are in the vehicle and this thing, remind me, did this thing hit the side of your vehicle and that's how you knew it was there? Yeah, it's like somebody walked up and kind of bumped into the side of the truck And that's when she said, hey, there's somebody out there, you know

And that's because they had one of the problems there with the monument was meth labs at the time And I didn't find this out until like a month later, you know, it was a problem out there But I guess it was kind of like breaking bad people will go out there and set up meth labs and cook. And it was like a year-round raids they do in the monument to clean the meth labs up. And I don't know.

If she knew something about that and thought somebody was trying to break into the truck or rob us or what it was, but it got us going enough we wanted to get the hell out of there. And when you expected the truck and everything, did you ever happen to see like a handprint or anything, a hair?

Or was it just the damage to the truck that you saw? It was just a I didn't see any kind of handprints or anything. It was more or less just a shallow enough of dent that it had been in the taillight bezel enough to break the lens. It was about two hours worth of bodywork, and I had it fixed. Okay. And was this like a military vehicle?

Is that why you were going to get in trouble? No, it was my personal vehicle. Oh, okay. So why would you get in trouble for having it damaged? The regulations on base were really strict about all the work. working equipment on your vehicle. It's just like anything up, you know, if you got a busted headlight or tail light, you know, you can get a fix a ticket.

And that's kind of what I got. Okay. Gotcha. Dude, that's crazy. I mean, on a scale of 1 to 10, how scare were you in that moment? I mean, I'm assuming you didn't really quite understand what was going on in the moment. But, I mean, I would have been on a scale of 1 to 10, 11. What were you?

Probably about that, but I was more pissed off. with somebody who's slap in my truck. You know, that was my baby. And like somebody, you know, messing with me or, you know, it, you know, that was, I was kind of pissed off if somebody hit the truck and interrupted us. But, you know, the more I look back at it, you know, yeah, it was probably about a 10 or 11. Wow, man. So when you went back up there, you looked around and everything, you saw the marks from your

truck, but you didn't see any footprints, right? No. Well, that's interesting, man. That really is an interesting story. There's not much you can say about this thing coming up on you and slapping the side of the truck or at least bumping into it. Just definitely a freaky experience, man. What do you think it is? What do you think these things are, man?

I love everybody. I think it's just more or less a different version of the Bigfoot. You know, the Sasquatch, it's, you know, it could be regional, you know, kind of like the other experience I told you about. Virginia. I think it's just more or less one that lives out in the high desert. Yeah. Now, why don't you share that other experience that happened to Virginia? Okay.

Yeah, this was last year in June. Like I told you in the email, I had like my, I call them my Marine Corps parents. there are two civil servants that were retired Marines that worked there 29 palms and they kind of took me under their wing kind of thing. Well, they had gotten in a car accident and was killed. And I'd heard about it. And I want to tell you something else about that later on. They'd heard about it.

And so I got on a plane to the right out to Richmond. and they had just moved from mid-state New York down to Virginia to be closer to their son and granddaughters. And it's a beautiful place. There's about 40 minutes outside of Richmond out in the middle. I mean, I've never seen so many damn trees. And it was a beautiful horse property. I think it was... almost 100 acres, so it was huge.

And they had horse trails cuts all over the place on it. And I got there and they needed to go into the hospital and take care of some stuff because one of the granddaughters was hurt pretty bad in the wreck as well, and she was still in the hospital. They were like, well, stay here. They had a little UTV. They're like, you know, go ride the trails, you know, whatever. and I'm like, okay.

And I jumped in the UTV, and I'm out on one of the trails, and my phone rings. And it was my wife checking in, and I was really surprised that I had good reception because at the cabin I had, like, none. And, well, like, now, I'm a roamer when I talked on the phone. So I was walking around the trail. The bugs were buzzing and had a little bit of a breeze going. And I was telling my wife, you know, about the signal on this and that. And I noticed that it had gotten quiet. And the breeze had kind of halted.

I didn't smell anything except for there was the fresh grass that they had mowed like the day before on the trail. And so I talked to my wife, you know, 10, 15 minutes. possibly. And I'm getting ready to hang up. Well, when the breeze starts comes back up. And I'm like, well,

well, I'm glad the breeze started, you know, blowing again because I was sweating my balls off. And get back to the house. And they get back. And we have dinner and have a couple beers or whatever. Go to bed.

Well, this cabin, it was built back in the 40s, 40, 44 to 43 8 10th and it was a two-story cabin and we went to bed and they had just gotten air mattresses for all everybody to sleep on because all the furniture are still in York being staged in the house and go to bed and I'm not exactly sure what time it was I woke up to go to the bathroom got a drink and I lay back down and just as I'm

getting ready to go to sleep, I get like this rumble. I don't know. Now that I explain it is, it felt like the airbed was vibrating. And it woke me up, you know, because it was like a boom. Like, what the hell is that? Excuse me. Got up. I looked around, you know, and I was listening and, you know, see if the air conditioning

had kicked on, you know, something mechanical in the house. And so, a couple minutes go back by and I lay back down. And just as I'm drifting off to bed again, it does it again. And it does it like three or four more times until it's almost dawn. So I didn't really get a whole lot of sleep that night. And so I get the next morning, I'm talking to mom. And they're laughing, you know, ghosts in the house and this and that.

I told them about it. She goes, well, you walked around a lot last night. And I'm like, no, once I woke up, I pretty much just sit there on the side of the bed. And why I thought she thought I was walking around is her bedroom is on the first floor, but it's a separate off to the side of the house. The two-story isn't directly over her part of the cabin. And she said it sounded like somebody was walking on the roof at night. you know, probably about the same time

all this stuff was going on with me. And, you know, I was thinking, you know, Dad, he was, found out later that he had set up a couple of trail cams out in, on the property. And he had always talked about Bigfoot. That kind of got me thinking about it after I left, you know. And somebody was talking about Improsound. I forget which episode it was.

It was with Wes. I was listening to one of his. And I'm not wondering if they were something like that and they were checking me out because I was a new person on the property. You know, because they'd been up there a couple weeks and cleaning the cabin. I said it had been vacant for, I think Mom had said for 10 years. So they've been up there for a couple weeks cleaning

it up prior to moving down from New York. So they didn't really say too much more about, you know, Bigfoot with, you know, to them, because I got three young granddaughters, you know, it's just, I think, you know, scare them or anything. With that whole story, do you think, I mean, do you lean towards the infrasowed side of things or what,

I mean, when, when that whole, that sound that you heard, I mean, were you feeling that physically or was it just a sound that you heard? It was just like a low, low, low, low, base, you know, and I think what was magnifying it was the air mattress. You know, I don't know, it just

is a low rumble. And like said, you know, I checked around, like I said, you know, I checked for, you know, listening for air conditioner kicking on, you know, a ceiling fan, downstairs,

you know, different things. But it only happened that one night. Because I was there for a week. So, I mean, I think it was mom that said that it sounded like somebody's walking on the roof, right? Yes. I mean, I'm assuming that's something that's not normal. Does she find that off as well?

Mm-hmm. Because, like I said, they had been there for three weeks cleaning up the place. They had just moved in to the cabin. They had been in the cabin for three days when Rex had gotten in the accident. And they had been staying in their son's cabin with him until they got ready to move in. So that was really only like their first four or five nights and, you know, actually staying in the cabin. I keep wanting to talk to her about it, but every time I call, I'm not sure if I, you know, you know, you know, see if anything else has gone on.

Let's figure out some way to, you know, ask her. Yeah, I mean, I'd be very interested here if there was something else that happened since then. But what you just said, you know, that you're kind of, you don't know how to ask her. What about it makes it feel awkward to ask her? I mean, just to bring up the whole idea of Bigfoot or, you know, asking her, you know, is there something spooky going on on on the property? Is it just awkward? Yeah, kind of.

I've been through a lot of little different experiences. I've always gotten, you know, kind of, you know, ripped on for, you know, a lot of it. So just, you know, anytime I, you know, I want to talk about it, you know, is I got to think, you know, who am I going to tell these two, you know. Until I've seen, my dad passed away three years ago. Up until then, you know, I kind of kept a lot of it to myself. And, you know, some other stuff happened. And I'm like, I started to listen to a lot of these, you guys,

podcast and I'm like, you know, like I told you in their email, you know, when you talk to Amy, you know, it's just like, well, hell, I might decide I might start, you know, get some of it out, you know, kind of thing. The idea of getting it out and stuff, I mean, uh, do you think that that's, you know, helpful for you to, you know, make sense of it in your mind or just be able to tell somebody? I mean, because for me, like I said it before on the show, I mean, I mean, if something like this happened to me, I'm a chatty person. I just talk about it.

I don't care what people think, you know, but I'm not normal. So, I mean, but I know what episode you're talking about with Amy. And we were talking about how, you know, just talking about this stuff helps people people just get it off their chest. It sounds like this is something that you really don't talk a whole lot about to people. No. Like I said, something I want to get to, too, is what kind of got me. me thinking about this a lot more was how my dad had passed away.

And Rex's death, or my other dad, Merincourt dad's death. I always had the sense that I needed to call him, you know. When my dad passed away, I'd gotten a call that morning for my best friend that his dad had just passed away. And I'm like, holy crap. And I didn't even know Dawn was sick. And that's when my buddy told me about everything. And he had kind of hit his illness from his family. And they didn't find out until like the last week of his life.

Wow. I got to thinking about that. And my dad had had a few health issues. And, you know, I need to call him and, you know, kind of tell him, you know, if there's something going on, you need to tell us, you know, us kids and everything. and I got home, you know, the usual thing got busy. I picked up my daughter from school, babysitter, and got dinner going and, you know, all this stuff.

And the next thing I know, it's 8 o'clock at night. And I'm like, well, shit, I can't call dad now. He's in bed by now. And I had already made plans to go back to Houston with my buddy for his dad's funeral. and so I was going to take my daughter over to my sister's, the mother-in-law and her cousin. And I was on my way over there, and my phone rings, and it was my dad phone number on my phone.

I was her and I said, hey, dad, what's up, man? It was my mom. And she was crying, and the paramedics had just finished, load him up and, you know, taking him to the mortuary. And she had told me that he had passed away to sleep that night. And it's like, you know, I really felt, you know, I felt this stronger. And I should have called him the night before, you know, because I was basically going to

chew them out and, you know, make sure, you know, nothing was going on and everything was okay and that kind of thing. Well, two years later, I kept getting this feeling that I needed to call my Marine Corps dad. You know, I was like, man, I need to talk to him. I haven't talked to him in a while. and it just it kept weighing on me for some reason

and so I'm headed home from work one day and I'm like, screw it, I'm going to call. I call and it goes straight to voicemail. I'm like, okay. I wait 15, 20 minutes more

and then I call again and I'm up here and he's on his phone and talk to somebody else or something, you know? And it said I'm not answers. My little brother. And the same thing is my mom. He's choked up trying to keep me.

And he's like, yeah, we just lost him. You know, he died on the way to the hospital, you know, the car accident. That was kind of, I guess I think back about, you know, about a lot of other little different things that had happened, you know, throughout. And I'm like, wow, maybe I had been experiencing a lot of this crazy shit, too. That's rough, man. That's rough. I just

it's one of those things where like you had that inner voice right to call and you didn't and now I'm sure you wish it did right every time I tell it I guess you know that's kind of my point you know if anybody out to listen to this you know if you get any of that kind of thought

or notion don't take the time to the call and you know you know at least talk to them yeah yeah man it's one of those things where sometimes when you have that inner voice speaking to you

it's best just to follow it even if you feel like it's dumb you rather look dumb than feel sorry later and I feel for you man I do I feel for you it's that's a hard situation to go through yeah it's

you know with that and going back to Richmond and all that stuff you know and just, you know, like, man, you know, you could have just called me and asked me to come and visit you. You know, I'm joking, you know, lighten it up with it, you know, it's still kind of rough. Yeah, for sure, man. Absolutely. I mean, sorry to get away from the other stuff. That's just something I wanted to go into this. I understand. I understand. When you go through stuff like that, it gives you another perspective.

and sometimes you feel like you just need to warn other people, you know? And so that's what you, I think it's fine. But with these things that you've experienced and stuff, do you think that the cabin had, I don't know, Bigfoot activity or do you think it was more paranormal where like maybe like haunting activity with the walking on the roof, things like that? I mean, I don't know how stable the cabin is, but I mean, could it support a, you know, four, five, six hundred pound creature? I don't know. That was one of the things I thought about because they were always, you know,

mom joked about the ghost, you know. You know, everybody else was joking about a ghost. I don't know if that's something that got put into my head or, but like I said, just the whole, well, I'm just wondering if it was more or less a kind of a smaller one, maybe a juvenile or something because what's got me really thinking about this

was that oh it was four days later my little brother's youngest daughter was wanting to help me with some chores around the the ranch there

and she wanted to go for a ride into UTV and like okay come on I found this really cool trail and I'd just gone up there a couple days prior and we're up in there and I hadn't really heard about trees the structures until I don't know

a couple of months ago the trail was blocked with two cross trees and she's like was that there before I'm like no and so I got out and they were probably

five, six inches in diameter and I got them out of the trail and we kept going a little further, a little further, and then we came across one where there was three three stuck swinging across the trail and these, I could move. I mean, they were,

to get them out of the way, you would have to have had a, you know, a chainsaw and, you know, just with the, way they were wedged in and I'm like okay we're standing after looking at them and the same thing like when I told you it got quiet a couple days before the exact same thing happened then and I got I don't know if it was because uh Sarah was with me you know she was seven and at the time you know I just got this real overwhelming urge that you know we need to get the hell out of

there. And so I backed up a fairly narrow trail. And I backed the little UTV up, you know, to a spot where I get turned around. And we pretty much just got the hell out of there. And so I don't know if that was a marking like, hey, don't come this way or, you know, because I'd only been up the trail a couple days before. Yeah. I mean, when it comes to tree structures, I do think that there's something to them. I don't think that everything that people see that looks like a quote-unquote tree structure means that it was made by a big foot. But I definitely think that there is something to it. When you were there and it got quiet, how did she feel sitting there? I mean, is she saying anything?

She was scared. Yeah. She was scared. I could tell her look on her face. She was scared. And I was like, you know, like I said, I just got this feeling like, you know, we need to get out of here. Yeah. Yeah, that was probably best.

I mean, if those things weren't there before and they were there, then, something put them there. You know, they didn't just fall like that, especially you see two, you move them, keep going, you see three. I mean, and you said the one that was made out of three, you couldn't move, right? They were too big. No. And I didn't really look at, you know, at the ends of them. I mean, it was like they had taken... they were underneath the other limbs

like they had taken it and almost like you're shooting like a with a cue stick and you drop back and you put it underneath the limbs and then put it down to the ground so they were shut up through the other limbs of the trees on the other side of the trail and this was a fairly dense forest area we were riding through a lot of old growth pine

a lot of pine. I didn't see some other like some oaks and stuff, but it was a lot of pine in that area. And, you know, that's what got, that's when I wrote you is because I heard once somebody talking about some of the tree structures,

I'm like, holy, you know, that's kind of like what I ran into in Virginia. And I said, I was only there for a week. Yeah, I mean, just the idea that those things weren't there, then they were somewhere big, so big that you couldn't move,

It definitely seems like that's a situation where it could be Bigfoot activity. And like I said, I think that your best bet was just to get out of there because they put them there for a reason and people speculate as to what they mean. I think they can mean several different things. You know, maybe it is don't come down here, especially if it's like a trail. You know, maybe it's, you know, this is our area. Stay out of it. Sometimes I wonder if it's directional stuff where they are more of a communication

tool for each other, you know, hey, you know, this is our areas, you guys stay on that side, we stay on this side, you know, or there's food or water, this direction. You never know. I mean, that's what Boy Scouts do. Boy Scouts are taught to make tree structures that, and they are shaped in different ways and it means different things. Native Americans did the same thing. Native Americans would make trees grow certain ways so that they knew what was up. So, like, they would actually take a tree when it's young and pull it down and tie it down so it would grow sideways. And once it grew sideways, they were release it. And then the top half would start growing up again. So it was like a zigzag shape. And every once in a while, you can still find those trees around and stuff.

There's actually one, maybe an hour from me right off a major highway that my buddy that I used to go hiking with sent me a picture of. And I want to get out there and just kind of take a picture of and stuff for myself because, I mean, you don't see those very often, but they're clearly markers for, you know, the Native Americans and what they did and stuff. You know, it was just like communication, you know, and so it just definitely makes you wonder if that's what these things are doing, whether there's communication with each other or if they think that they're communicating with us saying, you know, this is our area to stay out. That's why I think it's best that you got out of there because, you know, you didn't get the message clearly. So if you, if you were

He's out here cruising around again, drinking his beer at UTV, you know. Yeah, exactly. I mean, and who knows what happens if you keep, you know, toying with them. I mean, they are definitely temperamental creatures, whatever they are. They're definitely temperamental. And I know there's people that think that, you know, they're not that temperamental and, you know, whatever. But I've heard enough stories that, you know, they're temperamental. Even with the story that you first shared with us, I mean, there was no need for it to come up

and bump against her truck and presented stuff to you, it was being aggressive. You know what I mean? Like I was thinking later on too, you know, Woodford's still been in the back of the truck and, you know, as distracted as we were,

you know, what else, what other things could have happened, you know, you know, wonder if he's coming up there because, you know, you know,

a little bit of jungle love going on and he wants to get in on the action kind of thing or, you know, you know, if I, if I, if I'd still been there, you know, be talking to you right now kind of thing right right jungle love uh man but i'll tell you like that's

exactly it i mean he might have been coming in to be a peeping tom or he might have and he might have been frustrated that you went into the truck who knows who knows but yeah uh you know you're interrupting my show man yeah exactly yo get back out here in the open but uh you know it's definitely was an active aggression you know it may not be you know bust your window out grab you out and bite your neck off, but it was an active aggression. And these things can be temperamental. And if you're intruding in on their area, and they feel like they gave you an adequate warning to not be there, you don't know what could happen at that point, you know? So I definitely think you did the right thing about getting out. And I don't know, like I said, I haven't done any more research into it now

that I've, you know, since I thought about it, you know, I never could get any real, you know, real information out of anybody there at the time. So I'm wondering if there had been some, you know, bad shit go down out there and the, you know, people don't really, you know, locals don't talk about it kind of thing. Yeah, that's one of the things with the locals, man. And I don't get it. I just don't get why people wouldn't talk about this, but locals not talking about it, especially like down south and stuff.

I mean, you're talking about the Virginia area. I mean, the people, they just, you know, they keep to themselves. They're quiet. guy coming on here that's going to be talking about, you know, actually, I think it's the next interview I'm doing. He's going to be talking about he's a insurance salesman in West Virginia. And he got to know these people in West Virginia and they got comfortable with him and they started sharing with him their stories of encounters of these creatures in West Virginia. And so, you know, it's just one of those things. They're like, I mean, these people are knocking down

the door to, you know, report it to the BFRO or, you know, emailing me to be on the show to share their story. They just keep to themselves. They know what happened and that's that. I mean, they don't really, uh, want to talk about it, you know? It's interesting. Yeah. And, uh, you know, it's, um, you know, the reason I called you, you know, what's you? Because you're right there for Pennsylvania, uh, you know, I don't think you're any more than a couple hours from where I was at, you know, when this, this stuff happened. Yeah. Yeah, it's, you know, one of the other things, Mom had said to me that she had,

she did English horse riding, where they jump all the fences and that kind of stuff. So she had two, they were high-strung horses, you know, pretty fidgety, you know, nervous kind of. And she said the funny thing was, as soon as they moved the horses down to Virginia, that they were calmed down. when they were up in New York

she would almost have to go out and get them out of the barns in the morning you know get them to get out in the day and grace and just none they're only going to stay out at night up there now I don't know if it's something different I don't know it's I've speculated a couple different things about it

my own head but I'm just wondering if they weren't dealing with something up in New York as well because like I said they were out, I don't know, are you kind of familiar with the Watkins Glen area? I'm not familiar. I'm not familiar with it as in like geographically and stuff, but I've heard of it. You know, I know it's not too far. Okay.

Yeah, it's pretty well heavy with force. It's about like their enrichment. But I know dad, he had an interest in some of this stuff because, but I don't know if that's why he was sending up the trail cams, you know, when he did. but just a lot of weird, different coincidences all happen at the same time. I mean, maybe he did have a suspicion that something was going on. Maybe that's why he was set up to trail cams. I mean, you're never going to know, but just judging by the things that you've experienced,

you know, your limited time there, it's definitely, you know, it's definitely a plausibility. It's definitely a plausibility. So, but, man, Alan, I tell you, man, I think, thanks for coming on and sharing these stories, man. I know in the middle of it, it was kind of a more of a deeper moment for you. But, you know, it's one of those things, man. You go through life, you handle things the best you can, and you can't change what happened and stuff. But I definitely think that, you know, I just encourage you to not, you know, beat yourself

up about it too much. Yeah, it's just one of the best, you know, let some people know if you get that feeling, you know, act on it, you know. Yeah, absolutely. And don't even worry about being looking stupid or something. Like I said, it's better to look stupid than sorry. Well, Alan, I appreciate you coming on and share, man. Oh, anytime. Anytime, like I said, I might send you a few more emails on some other stuff,

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