The Confessionals - 137: Paranormal Portal

Episode Date: July 4, 2019

Today we are having a 4th of July special episode! Listen to Tony call into a live radio show to talk about UFOs and bigfoot with the Paranormal Portal fellas. After the radio show we talk to Jay who runs the YouTube channel WoodwardTV. We discuss Nephilim, Hollow Earth, Flat Earth, and ancient secrets! Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaISubscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail]: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcastTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelShow Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUwShow Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. Well, the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this.

Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Spicer got splice him, got spurson when he got about... And I look over and there are two small gray entities. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing. A monster.

Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. That's The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com.

Or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com. Hit the connection section, and you can reach me that way as well. Either way works for me. Just get a hold of me. Now, today is a little bit of a bonus episode for you guys since it's July 4th. Happy Fourth of July, Independence Day. And with everybody traveling around, eating hot dogs next to the grill and watching fireworks and hanging out of the family, figure why not drop another episode?

And maybe you guys can listen to that while you're chilling with family and things like that. And we have some extra content here today where we actually, I actually called into a show called Paranormal Portal with Don and Brent, or Brent and Don, however you want to say it. I'm not sure if they'd get upset one way or the other. but I called in and I actually recorded the conversation and we're going to be playing that for you guys and we are also going to be playing some audio that I actually, an interview that I did probably a year ago at least and it's one of those interviews that I did and it just got lost in the shuffle and I just didn't realize that I never aired it until recently. And so Fourth of July,

no better time to do it now than now. And what it is is we interviewed a guy from YouTube. His name is Jay, and he's from Woodward TV. If you look that up on YouTube, Woodward TV, great, great, great YouTube channel. And he comes on to join us and talk with us about some different topics. And while we are here, let's bring on my buddy, Wes Germer. Wes, how you doing, man? Doing well. Happy Fourth of July, everyone. Sorry, I didn't call into an internet radio show, so I don't have any content today. But I'm sure whatever Tony is playing. It's great. Hey, you know what? Nobody can be as spontaneous as me. I, uh, no, actually, I called in and you were listening to that show, weren't you? I was. Yeah, I knew you were. But, uh, it's a good show.

It's a good show. I mean, uh, Brent and Don, they do a good job. I mean, all that, they, they, they go on every night of the week, isn't it? It's, what, seven days a week? Yeah, seven days a week. Yeah, seven days a week. They're on there every night doing a show. Uh, at least Brent is. Sometimes Don has to work. And that's got to be hard. That's got to be hard to do at least an hour show every day of the week live. There is no redos. And so I think they do a great job. And it's fun listening to them when I'm working on things. And I figured I'd call in and hang out with them a little bit tonight. And I thought it'd be fun. I was actually surprised you didn't call in to, you know, bust my balls while I was on air. That was drinking vodka. So I figured probably not for the best.

So you dragged me on here. I know, begrudgingly. It's all, like, I was like, hey, let's, I'm going to record this intro. You want to just hop on with me? And you're like, nah. I'm like, come on, man. No means no, Tony. No means no.

Hang on a second. If no means no, then I say, what? My computer just like geeked out on me and it didn't play the audio and you just did it for me. Oh, man. What? I told you when you said that on that show, I was going to use it in other shows to plug it in this stuff. And I just used it on this past week's show because he said something about, you know, he's like, I just figured this whole thing out. It's a Scooby-Doo episode. And I was like, what? And I was like, that would be the perfect spot. So I replaced it with yours. I heard. But anyways, I just wanted to wish everybody a happy Fourth of July and let you guys know that it's a great time to celebrate. And like I say, at the end of this show, you know, stay safe and take care. Really stay safe. You know, we're drinking alcohol and having fun and stuff and playing with fireworks. It's never the greatest combination.

But I can just say one more thing. It would be this. Happy Fourth of July to the UK. That's right. Celebrating independence. And what a better week for the United States women's soccer team to beat the England team. That was fantastic. What a better week.

What do you say about that, Wes? I have a large listening audience in the UK. I want no part of this conversation. Come on, man. I need somebody to gloat with. I mean, the United States women's soccer team took down the England team. I mean, we took them down at their own sport. It was great.

It was great. And I don't even like soccer. Or as they say, were there, football. Whatever. Let's get to the show. He just hung up on me, so he definitely doesn't want to be part of this conversation. So let's just get to the show right now. What?

We got a phone call. Oh. Do you want to go to that? Yeah, let's go to that because it goes into Tom DeLong from there. Okay. I'm not as excited about that part. All right. Well, Anonymous is on the air.

Yeah, let's go to that because it goes into Tom the long from there. Okay. I'm not as excited about that part. All right. All right. Well, do you, hello? Hi. Who is speaking with?

Helps. Tony Merkel. Ah, that's what I thought. How you doing, Tony? Our own feed game back at us there. Yeah, I did. What? Fed back.

Yeah. No, I had the wrong button on. Sorry about that. No, no worries, brother. Welcome to the show. Good to see you or hear you. Yeah, good to hear you and see you and talking UFOs and all that fun stuff. Yeah, it's the flavor of the day, I guess.

You know, we just did a podcast about UFO stuff too, so it kind of carried into it pretty nice. How's your night going? Yeah, absolutely. I'm going good. Just sitting here. you guys vaping and drinking water. There you go. Water's important.

Did you get Westall taking care of them? Got him locked down in the basement right now. Ah, basement, yes. That'll do it. That'll do it, brother. So how's things on the confessional? That was an amazing show. Last show was absolutely amazing.

Thanks. Yeah, I thought it was a unique story for sure. sure when he emailed me uh usually i schedule people and um you know they they have to wait their turn kind of thing and uh when he sent me when that story i was just like um are you free tomorrow like i'm like i got to talk to you uh so i was i was pretty excited to hear the story and stuff and uh you know people have been doing like they enjoyed a lot which is cool uh so yeah i thought it was fun lots of fun yeah it was brilliant uh i've and ladies and gentlemen I don't know if you haven't heard that episode, please go over and check out the Confessionals

podcast. There's a there's a cryptid described in there that defies all explanation. I mean, I'd never even heard of something like that before, but wow, great story. Yeah, and it was like, that was the twist on the end of it. It was just like, what is going on here? I mean, it was a weird enough story. And it had little splashes of maybe paranormal, especially like the house with the furniture on the ceiling. But when they were getting chased out of there by these upright deer, that was different. I was just like, what the heck? And he actually sent me the coordinates and the satellite

image of the house next to the quarry that he was talking about and everything. And it's definitely an exclusive area. And if I ever get out to, let's just say the neck of the woods that he told me it was at, I'm definitely going to be going there. And looking for, uh, some interesting things. I would love to see that house with all that stuff inside. I wonder if it seems to still like that or not. But who knows, time will tell, I guess, if I ever get out that way. I didn't catch on this story.

How long would you say it happened? Well, he said it was in high school. And I don't know how old he is now, but he's a friend of mine on Facebook. And judging by his pictures, he's probably in his late 30s, early 40s. So, you know, probably about 20, 30 years ago, whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah, and they're probably not running down to the Home Depot to get new shingles and stuff on that house.

Yeah, I just, I found that story interesting. But I'm thinking, I think I actually, when I've done listening to you guys tonight, I think I'm going to actually put together another show and put one out for tomorrow for the holiday. So people have something to listen to while they're driving around and watching fireworks and stuff. Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah. That's amazing. Public service done by Tony Merkel.

That's right. He's being patriotic and giving. That's awesome, brother. Yeah. That's really cool. So the UFO disclosure stuff, you guys, you guys are reading about the Tic Tac Toes and all that stuff, or not Tick-Tac Toes, Tick-Tac UFOs. Right. But what do you guys think about it?

I mean, the government comes out and pretty much confirms that, yeah, it's happening. and, you know, our military servicemen have been seeing them, and we're giving them this place now to truly disclose what they're seeing. And it's, you know, everybody's like, oh my gosh, I can't believe it. But like in 2017, the government came out with the, you know, yeah, we spent $22 million of the Pentagon budget to investigate UFOs. But nobody was really, you know, worried about it back then because we were worried about, you know, the political atmosphere in the country and things like that,

they barely touched on it. And now they're acting like it's all news. It's like they said it two years ago. You just weren't listening, you know? I don't know. I just, what do you guys think about all of that stuff? Where are we going right now with the whole UFO thing, you know, with disclosure? The thing that occurs to me is that I think $22 million will buy you like a note pad

and a pen in D.C. And that's about it. So, I mean, it's not really a big budget, you know? I would, I'm not sure how many people they had. like doing the investigations but it almost seems like it's kind of like uh you know sending the get well card instead of the bouquet of roses it's just like yeah we'll we'll throw some money at that so it looks like we're doing something but i i think i mean i think really that those pilots are probably seeing a lot of crazy stuff but um this is all that's just trickled down to us um i i don't know it it seems

to me to be like uh the the baby steps towards disclosure of some kind like a soft disclose yeah What do you think, Tom? You know, I think it's interesting that, you know, it's taking them this long. I mean, you know, you would talk about Bob Lazar, you know. You know, he's been hot on Netflix, you know, for the last two months now, you know, and it's interesting that he was raided during the actual taping of the, well, it was during when he was doing the interviews and stuff, he was rated by the, you know, the alphabet soup. But, you know, you mean, I mean, that's 30 years ago. That was 1980, 1980.

And, you know, that was a long time ago that he's telling us about this. But then, you know, we also have, you know, all the reports from everybody, you know, there, you know, let's not take in consideration Paul Hillier or anything. Let's just go past that. You know, but we have so much information. We have so many, you know, witness, you know, people who claim to have witnessed, you know, all these things up close and personal. but at some point you have to wonder, I wonder, I wonder, why is Bob Lazar still breathing?

You know, I mean, if you say something sideways about a politician nowadays, you end up suicided. I think that's just Clinton's. I wasn't going to go there. But, you know what I'm saying? And Bob Lazar has been allowed to talk about it for 30 years, but the thing is, he's only talked about it like four or five times in these years. years, you know, and he really doesn't like talking about it because every time he opens his mouth, he gets raided, you know, that's all there is to it. It might have something to do with the claim that he might have some element 115 somewhere that we'd still don't know, you know. As I was thinking about all this just last night. I was working. I'm like, well, why is Bob Lazar still talking? You know, and then, you know, but I think it's because it's balanced by Tom DeLong, you know, it's balanced by these other guys that are just out there, you know. Well, you know, be nice. I, I know what you're saying, but... You know, they're out there.

It's like, you know, okay, it's like mountain monsters versus, you know, finding Bigfoot. I mean, come on. Mountain monsters is like Scooby-Doo for adults. I absolutely agree. But I think, you know, the Chinese have always said we've got aliens living with us. They've been saying it for 40, 50 years now. You know, and, you know, we go back to Roswell 47, you know, and, you know, all this kind of things. You know, it may be a soft disclosure.

it may still just be a lot of disinformation out there. But I personally believe there's something out there, certainly extraterrestrial, maybe interdimensional, maybe inner earth, who knows? I mean, because I do love the idea of hollow earth. And I do love the idea that a lot of these come from, well, Phil Schneider said it, you know, that maybe they're not, they're not extraterrestrial. they're inter-terrestrial or intrastrial. You know, so, you know, I like the idea. I don't believe we were put here by a bunch of angels, you know, and if we were, why not call the angels aliens, you know?

So I don't know if that makes any much sense, but I do believe that something's coming. There's going to be some kind of disclosure regarding aliens because we've been asking the question too long. As a matter of fact, there was, I think it was more of a, than anything, but there's a day set up like September 20th or something like that, you know, that's been going around. Let's storm Area 51.

They can't stop all of us. Okay, don't we go ahead. I bet you they can. You know, but I mean, I would love to go watch it. Apparently they've never heard of machine guns. Yeah, the funny thing, the funny thing is Area 51 is pretty much like a good. ghost town compare what it used to be now. I mean, let's go storm it when there's nothing there now. You know, like what they should be saying is let's go storm Wright Patterson. That's where we

should be storming. Dougway. Wow. That'd be crazy. Yeah. I think I don't think I've ever seen so much mainstream media, quote unquote, disclosure in my lifetime. And I can't think of a time that I've heard of such stuff going on. To the point now that people who, think I'm goofy for the things that I do are talking to me about what they saw on the news. Like, yeah, yeah, I know. I've heard about that for two years now. You're just catching up. Right. Like, it's actually kind of irritating at times. It's like, whatever. Like, I know this. Like, talking about something new. But I don't know. Like, I'm looking at this whole thing and I'm thinking, this really sound, because they're saying things like, we can tell you it's not us. We don't know who it is.

Right. We don't know where they're coming from. They're doing things that we don't know how to do. And which I think is a lie in self, to be honest with you. But I think they, they know a lot more and they have a lot more technology in what they're telling us, which is fine because for national security purposes, I don't need to know everything that you have. Right. But, you know, it's like, if you look at it, I'm thinking to myself, all right, so let's just say 10 years from now, it's, it's now like common knowledge that, yep, UFOs are real. We weren't sure what was inside these things, but now we're 99% sure it's an extraterrestrial being that are piloting these things.

What does that do for every other topic for the last 50, 60, 100 years that people have been saying, you're crazy, you didn't see a wild hairy man? You know what I mean? Like, all of a sudden, everybody that's not into these topics, I would think would have to sit back and be like, all this time, I thought UFOs weren't real. And now they're real. I thought that aliens weren't real. and now they're real.

What else is real that I made fun of before? Right. You know? Well, you know, they say, you know, it took. I just wanted to say that it's. Ghost app. The Ghost app. The Ghost app just went off.

But I just want to say a special thanks to Mr. West German for working hard to title our episode. He said you should title the show How We Got Demonetized on YouTube. Well, you know, letting me talk on this show. and stuff, we'll get you demotize, because I sometimes say some crazy, stupid stuff that probably shouldn't be said. No, no, go ahead, brother. You got the floor. I love it all.

That's awesome. But go ahead. There's something that I won't even say on my show, because I want my show to continue to exist. Oh, I got you. So we're your dumping point. Gotcha. But what I was going to say, because you mentioned, you know, about the Harryman, you know,

and I finally, you know, people are finally coming forward. with that. You know, I read somewhere, and I've known this, but, you know, just recently I was reminded that, you know, it took like 50 years to find the mountain, the mountain gorillas. And it took, you know, 80 years to find the pandas. And somebody's asking, well, why is it taking so long for us to find Bigfoot? Well, here's a couple thoughts. First of all, we're lazy. We can't observe the natural order of things as humans. But then again, you know, let's think about pandas. Why did it take us 60 years? Because we really didn't believe it was there. And then finally, somebody finally stumbled across this lazy, fat, black and white bear thing and went, oh, they're real. And, you know, consider that, what, 75% of our planet's still unexplored, you know, by foot, on foot, you know, boots on the ground. You know, but then again, let's say, okay, the mountain ape, the mountain gorilla. You know, okay, yeah, it took us 50 years to get there because we were working on hearsay, you know. And so, yeah, when we finally got it narrowed down, you know, it was found. Now, here's the real kicker, though.

We believe if there is a Sasquatch, the Sasquatch has decided not to be anywhere near us, and they seem to be a lot smarter than a stupid, lazy panda. Now, don't get me wrong, I like pandas. They're cute and cuddly and everything, but they'll rip your face off if they have to. But, and so, well, Mountain Apes, Mountain Gorillas, you know. Sure. But the point is, is that apparently they're a little more intelligent than your average. you know.

Then your average bear. You know, so that's why. Anyhow. But no, I think I think those are good points. You know, they obviously work on a lot higher intelligence. Yeah, exactly. Than anything else in the sticks. But, you know, I mean, a mountain line can avoid being seen almost, you know, 99% of the

times. And they're usually right over your head. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I imagine a Sasquatch doesn't have much trouble avoiding us. But yeah, you know, I think it'll all come out eventually. don't you? Yeah, well, I mean, even

not to plug Knucklehead show, but even on West's show that he came out, his most recent show he dropped. The first two guests, they both said the same thing at one point in the show. I think it was the guy who was saying how, when he was

looking at this thing down the creek, it dropped down, and it was so fast it was just gone. It was like, I think it was like he said, it was almost like he wasn't even sure like what just happened. And the second person, this lady, said the very same thing that it dropped down. It was gone. Like, it was just so fast. And it shows that a lot of these people are seeing the same thing that are displaying very similar characteristics. And they obviously have a way about them that can be undetected. Like if they, if somebody's

seeing these things and when you have your eyes locked on it, it can maneuver so fast that it It almost looks like it disappears. Like clearly these things can be undetected if they want to be. And it's incredible because they're reportedly so big and massive. Like we can't fathom how that's even possible. And even along those lines a little bit, you know, people talk about how, you know, they heard it walking and it was just these heavy footsteps, thudding through the woods. and it's like that in itself it goes directly against the stealth thing but at times it seems like

they it's like they don't even care right and but people will say that um they they it was so heavy that they felt it vibrating in their body and i found that really i find that really interesting because uh one of the guys that i work with he's from africa and he i forget what country in africa it was but uh that he that he's from but his uncle or his great uncle was a hunter and one of the most revered hunters in in the area like if there was something that needed to be killed they got his uncle to go do it and so this guy was out in the woods out in the jungle whatever it is over there a lot and when he was out there with his uncle he heard uh or no his uncle heard uh something in the distance and he said we need to get going and he's like what

And then just as he said what, he heard this thud, thud, thud. And it was a gorilla coming towards them. And he said that when they heard it, he literally could feel the vibration in his body from this gorilla. And like we weren't even talking about Bigfoot. We were just talking about his homeland. Like Bigfoot wasn't even on the brain, but it kicked into my head because of all the stories that I've heard of that very thing happening with Bigfoot. And he said that guerrillas over there are. You see gorillas in the zoo here, and they're so not like that in Africa.

They're much bigger. He said that they're out in the wilderness so much that you can't even see their face because their face is overgrown with muscle and hair that you can't even really see their face. It's just like these wild, giant monsters over there. Wow. And it just makes me feel like when you hear somebody tell you something like that from their homeland about gorillas, it doesn't make Bigfoot sound that far-fetched.

Right. No, not at all. Yeah, exactly. And you got to wonder, like, how in the hell can they... I mean, they're a big animal. There's no question about it. But when you think about the earth, feeling impacts from the ground being that far away, what the hell are they doing?

How is that possible? But, you know, I don't doubt that it is. It's just the amount of force that they can exert at will is just, I mean, it's amazing. Well, you know, it makes me wonder... Sorry, go ahead. Go ahead, Dawn. I was just going to say, you know, but let's, you know, think about it this way, you know, so we know that, well, it's been reported. We don't know. We don't know anything. We know what's been reported. What's been analyzed, that kind of thing. But it's been reported that Bigfoot, if he doesn't want you in his area, he will, you know, throw rocks. He'll, he'll make sounds. He'll imitate and mimic, you know. So what's to say that he won't, you know, stealthly come up on you and stomp or, you know, and then all of a sudden disappear because there have

been reports of that as well. You know, all of a sudden it's like, you know, we don't know where it came from, but there was these footsteps and we went to investigate where it came from and there was nothing. You know, so, so they know how to move in their natural, natural, you know, habitat. You know, we don't have any idea how to walk through the woods without making some kind of noise. However, I know how to walk down a street without being noticed. I can prove that. So, I mean, if you know your habitat, your area, your place of, of, you know, where you go, where you've been, and you know how to move, you know how to do these things. So it's not really surprising me.

Well, there is that. Yeah. And even like, when you think about when you're a kid and you're learning about the Native Americans and how they hunted and things like that, I know I learned this when I was a kid because I remember trying to do it in the woods all the time. I would try walking on grass and leaves real quiet, so quiet that nobody could hear me. And because I learned that Native Americans were able to do that. And that's how they were able to hunt so efficiently and things like that. And it's like, you know, if Native Americans were able to do that because that was their habitat,

I don't think that Bigfoot is human. That's my personal thoughts. but these things are clearly far more intelligent than any other thing out there that's not human. And why wouldn't they be able to do that? And then you hear stories of the Native American saying that, you know, Sasquatch in their time back

before we came here, did make fires. Right. And things like that. And it was the problems that they had because of them making fires, that they stopped making fires, they stopped being detected. And I used to think that was crazy

until I saw on YouTube probably like five years ago, a bonobo learned how to make fire and make hamburger and marshmallow over the fire because he was obsessed about a YouTube video that he was watching. This bonobo was watching a video and obsessed over this person making a fire, he learned how to do it, and then he did it himself. And then you got these chimpanzees that are learning how to fish with spears

because they saw humans doing it. And it's just like these primates are learning how to do things because they're obsessing over it and watching it. I mean, it's not that far-fetched that these Sasquatch out there have a similar ability. Right. Well, think of Jane Goodall teaching that gorilla sign language. You know, I mean, they have intelligence.

They're not stupid. Wasn't Jane Goodall. There's Cocoa the gorilla learning sign language. Right. But I don't know who thought of it. But anyhow, the point is, I digress. I'm sorry. No, it's fine.

But you're right. I mean, but, you know, think about that. You know, somebody taught an ape or gorilla how to speak in sign language. And they converse. They've got to have some kind of higher intelligence than what we give them credit for. You know, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if Bigfoot Sasquatch, you know, Yowie, whatever you want to call them, grassman, who cares, Momo, whatever, is smart enough to stay the hell away and know how to keep a lot. us away by themselves, from themselves, you know. So it's all about natural environment.

Just don't ever, don't ever encourage campers to watch videos outside. And if they do, don't watch Planet of the Apes. Damn you to hell! Don't give them any ideas. They don't realize how big they are. Yeah. Now, you know, when I watched the Patty film the first time, the first thing I noticed was the stride.

And the stride is very, very unique. and it's been covered to death and I'm not trying, you know, trying to break any new ground here. But one of the first things I thought, you know, with the amount of flexion on that, on that foot nearly at a 90 degree angle to the knee, I was like, that is a being that has learned to walk in difficult terrain, you know, with that high stride and the long. And that's why we trip like clowns going through the forest because we, you know, we lift our feet maybe an inch or so off the ground. And, you know, these things have

such a different way of locomotion that's just completely fluid and natural to them. But you're right. I mean, the fact that they can move silently, how many times have, you know, people talked about, you know, they can be heard when they want to. They can stomp and, you know, be heard to intimidate

the hell out of people to get them out of the area. But then they can go dead silent and be gone at the same time through impossible terrain. Yeah, it's incredible. Absolutely incredible. Yeah. Well, guys, I'm going to roll. But before I get out of here, one, I got two things to say. Okay.

One, complete disclosure. I've been recording on my end, and I was wondering if I could use this clip on part of my show for tomorrow just for extra content for people. That'd be beautiful. Thank you. It would be honored. All right. Awesome. And two, since you're aware that people are listening on my end now, please wish them a happy Fourth of July.

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Happy Fourth of July, everybody. Thank you so much for being a part of all that Tony's doing, and we hope you have a safe and wonderful holiday. Absolutely. Don, anything? Just glad to hear that there are so many people that are still interested in the Fourth of July. And certainly, you know, we know our friends, Wes and Tony and everyone, Duke and everyone, you know, and we wish everybody a happy and safe saying Fourth of July.

Thank you. Yes. Everybody's interested in the Fourth of July. Guns, beer, fireworks. Yeah! Watch this. Hold my beer. Where can people get your show, man?

Paranormal Portal. Oh, you can check out the Paranormal Portal podcast everywhere that podcasts are. We do three of them a week, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Mondays are generally ghost-related. Wednesdays are UFO-aliens related and Friday or cryptid-related. And you can find this on YouTube. YouTube.com slash paranormal portal. check out our live streams.

We have a long back catalog of that. Yeah, we do. And you can hear us on TFR live. That's our mother network for the radio show, and that's on Friday and Saturday nights, which is also broadcast on IHeart, tune in and talk stream live. We're everywhere. We're everywhere.

And I don't know how that happened. We're like a bad rash. You guys are doing it right. Yeah. You guys are doing it right. Get yourself out there and see what happens. Yeah. But anyways, thanks for letting me be on here, guys, with you and chat.

with you a little bit. It's fun. Oh, thank you, brother. It's great hearing from you. Thanks for calling in. Wow. Talk to you. Bye. I see you.

Wow, there you have it. Yeah, that's awesome. Very cool. Oh, strange things happen in the portal. There's never a normal episode. There isn't. What is it? Is there a normal?

Is there a normal? It's a paranormal, done. It's all perinormal. It's all paranormal up in here. That's how we roll. Wow. Thank you for your call, Tony. We appreciate it.

It was a good talk. That was nice to kick back and just share some thoughts. It's almost like a roundtable here on the portal. Hmm. As I approached the stop sign, I got a clear view of the lake. It's about 20 yards from the stop sign to the lake. I looked over and crouched down next to the lake were two figures. I didn't think anything of it at first until I drove past the stop sign and one of them stood up and looked at me. I pulled over and stared at it. They both looked like mutant bears, but muscular, with human features. I could see fingers with claws. Its face was human-like, but with a snout.

I watched for a good minute until the second creature stood up, and when it did, I high-tailed it out of there. I don't know what they were. I think werewolves, but I never saw them again, nor do I want to. Yes, this is the account of a woman out of Spring Lake Park, Minnesota. Apparently, there are werewolves running loose in North America folks, the infamous dogmen. I know that there are a lot of people who think they're too old to be believing in werewolves. I mean, why believe in something that you've never seen?

Why entertains such an idea as a real-life werewolf? Why? Because people claim to have encountered them. And even though their experiences seem crazy, we can't assume that they're all liars. Now, the majority of us have never encountered a lion, tiger, or bear even, and perhaps never will. This planet is bigger than you think. Most of the wildlife that exist has never been seen in real life by the majority of people that exist. But most city dwellers can swear up and down that there is no such thing as Dogman or other cryptoids.

Oh man, they're just demons, dude. Well, if that's the case, then it doesn't help. In fact, that's worse, because demons like to follow you home. There are thousands of eyewitness accounts of Bigfoot and or dogmen. In other words, some claim to have seen both of these beings together. These dogmen have been cited in over 32 states and in other countries such as Norway, Brazil, New Zealand, Australia, Austria, the UK, and of course the list goes on.

Now according to witnesses, this dog man is a 5.5 foot to 8 foot tall, 200 to 300 pound muscle man with thick fur, a humanoid face with a short snout, long pointed ears, fangs, elongated paws, with possibly fingers, and definitely claws. Red or yellow glowing eyes, the works. People have seen these things running on their hind legs which appear to be bent backwards like a canine at speeds over 40 miles per hour. The odor that they describe ranges from a skunky smell to a dirty dog's ass smell. But the difference of odors between Bigfoot and Dogman is somehow distinctive. Many assume that

dogmen are just another species of Sasquatch however many researchers agree that this is not the case as dogmen are a smaller and less bulky creature they also tend to be more aggressive and less covert as they seem not to care who sees them now Bigfoot does not seem to be a predatory being but this dogman does it has been reported that this bean will stalk you it will growl at you and it would probably eat you but of course you'll never hear that from the people that have been eaten. Predatory animals don't like for their prey to see them coming. It scares the prey off. In most cases where the predator is spotted by the prey, the predator runs off. In many cases,

they have, however, been sighted feeding on deer and other wildlife. Speaking of wildlife, these dogmen are frequently sighted when coyote are present in areas where coyote are not normally present, which means that something is attracting these coyote to these dogmen. What's interesting is that UFO sightings have also often occurred in the same area around the same time as these dogmen sightings. Here's a funny thought. What if these dogmen are just the pets of alien beings, taken for a walk on Earth, allowed to roam free praying on whatever and whoever?

Or maybe these things are the human beings turned monster. that we are all familiar with thanks to Hollywood. There is the story of a man who traveled to Portugal, claiming to have met a man who was a werewolf. Now, he traveled to this small town in Portugal and met this guy who took him up into the woods and apparently began to transform. However, the traveler did get away from the guy, but only to stumble upon the home of one of the locals who already knew this guy was a werewolf.

In fact, all of the townspeople knew that this man was a werewolf, but said nothing because they figured the traveler would just end up being another werewolf snack. Now, guns seem to just scare Dogman off. Bullets have very little effect, if any at all. People have reported shooting them, and these beasts just run off into the woods and are never found dead. Also from what people have reported, these things, like Riemlins, don't like bright light or electronics for that matter. This tells us that these beings are very sensitive to certain frequencies as well as emit

certain frequencies that animals and humans are sensitive to as well. People sometimes say that these dogmen give off the strange vibe of feeling angry towards humans. Maybe because these dogmen hunt and eat the same game. And see us as a threat to their food supply because all they seem to do to humans is scare them off. Look at it this way. An animal will in most cases attack you because it is afraid of you. Humans do it all the time, but dogmen usually end up growling at folks.

Speaking of growling at people, here's something that I found interesting. The hair on the dogman's body, like bigfoot hair, is not just ordinary hair, but it's expected to be what gives these beings the ability to cloak or camouflage themselves, the predator. And the growling actually sends out a vibration that stuns people or clouds their minds so that they can't see the beast even if they know exactly where the creature is. More and more people are coming out with these stories of darkness and the discussion is growing. I do believe in the near future we will learn the truth about these sightings and we will know for certain that these cryptoids exist. But until that day, the tales told of the story of

Dogman are great for some campfire fun. All right, tonight I have a really good guest here tonight. We have a guy who runs Woodward TV on YouTube. He goes by the first name, Jay. Jay, how you doing, man? I'm doing great, Tony. How are you? I'm doing good, man.

Listen, you were somebody I wanted to talk to for such a long time, dude. I found your YouTube video. I think it was a couple years ago. I had to be, I don't know, at least a year ago. It was your Bigfoot video. and I came across your Bigfoot video, and just the way you laid out the information about Bigfoot really grabbed me. I was like, this guy, he knows how to get the information out there in a short, concise way.

It was just fantastic. And I think I reached out to you then and stuff. And this interview has been a long time coming, so I'm really excited to talk with you, man. Oh, yeah. It has been a long time coming. I think actually yesterday, the 8th of June, was the anniversary of the channel. Wow. So I started this channel, 2016, June 8th.

Okay. I could tell you a little bit about how I got into this. Yeah, I would love for you to do that. My background is graphic arts and advertising. And a little over a decade ago, I became interested in music composition. To put it simply, my area of expertise is art. And in around 2014, I was able to release a 15-track album called Awakening. It's no lyrics, just all music.

It was originally designed to fit visuals, somewhat of a score. And throughout this entire period, I've also been very deep into unexplained phenomenon. on, earth mysteries, conspiracy theories, paranormal, health and nutrition, law of attraction. And so many of the things that I discussed on the channel are a culmination of the things that I've gathered over years. And I just kind of held on to those things in the back of my mind. And this was a great way for me to express those opinions and theories and the information and I've gathered from other people. Okay.

I also was very interested in writing at that time. So I was putting out a lot of information on the law of attraction and health and nutrition by writing articles. My main source for that was, I'm sorry, the way that I was putting that out was through easy, which was a I don't know how popular it is today but it was very popular back then for

presenting articles but anyway after that I before I started Woodward TV there was kaleidoscope I don't know if you noticed the intro to each one of my videos there's this kaleidoscope

policy that shows up before the video now I did that to represent a channel that was based on art. It was all visual art, mostly spray can art. I also put some music videos together just to showcase my music. But there was something missing. I wanted to, I had all this information stored, and I wanted to present that to people. But I didn't just want to get in front of a camera and talk. And that was probably my first mistake when I first started the

Woodward TV. The first two videos was just me in front of a camera. And they were doing okay, but it wasn't satisfying. And so after the first two videos, I took about a month off. And it was funny because I was watching YouTube and this video came up. And the narrator had a very deep, calming, but evangelistic voice. And it was on top of music, and there were awesome visuals to go along with it. And it gave me this great idea, and I was like, I need to model this format. Because this is what a lot of YouTubers don't understand what's going on right now with YouTube. And, you know, there's a lot of YouTubers out there struggling to get their channels.

to grow. The thing about YouTube is what they're looking for is basically TV shows. And if you format your show based on what has been done for years and years, and they have become very proficient, you know, cable television and these major networks, they have mastered the game. And when it comes to app, including advertisements, into those videos, it's very effective. So what I did was I modeled my videos after that concept. And so this is where the narration comes from. I do use a script because I don't like awkward pauses or ums or, you know, the normal things that come out in the regular conversation that kind of expand the time frame of the video. So I needed to cut all those things out. So I started to start.

writing scripts and another reason I started doing that was because all the information I had I couldn't possibly recall that information in a live video so I started using scripts and I started to edit my videos according to all the techniques that I learned over the years and after those first two videos I did a video on planet X and And that video did very well. And I did about 11 videos total before I got to one video that was on the, actually your friend L.A. Marzuli did a video on Ferry.

Yes. I don't know if you saw that, yes. And I did a presentation on this, and that actually went viral. I think within like just a week or so, we went up to 100,000 plus views. And since then, I've been consistently sticking to those topics, trying to explore the strangest possible things I could, but not try to tell it in a way. I didn't want to present the information the same way everyone else did. I wanted to try to include certain nuggets of gold that people were not presenting. And so here we are.

Yeah. I mean, you really do do a good job of presenting information in a way that's comprehensible and gets you thinking. And that's the thing. Like, one of the things with your videos is it really gets me thinking, even if it's topics that I've heard before and things like that, the way. you present the information really, really gets me thinking. A lot of times I don't have the opportunity to actually watch the video because I drive truck for living and so I listen to everything.

And even just listening to your videos, it just gets my gears turning. And, you know, watching your videos obviously does that as well. Before we go any further and stuff and kind of start diving into some topics, where can people find your YouTube channel? What's it called? it's called woodward TV it's all one word and I mean if you just type that into the search and it would be fairly easy to find I'm right at the top

yeah and so that's you know Woodward TV and I'll put a link to his channel in the show's description so people can just kind of go and click on the link and it'll take you right to his channel but um for tonight uh you know we found out the background of how you kind of came about doing all this stuff, which is really

cool because it seems like you have been made for this. I mean, between the music production and that background and the writing background, it seems like you've taken what you kind of been made to do and put it all into one channel and presenting it to the world. And I think you're doing a fantastic job doing it. I mean, you cover so many different topics on here. Are these all topics that you have personally been interested in or have you kind of run out of topics to talk about that you've been studying and kind of how to learn about other stuff? These are all topics that are interesting. The way I do the channel is I try not to have repeat topics back to back. Like I said, I try to make this as it's an actual TV channel. So every episode that you watch

will be on something different. Now, I may revisit topics, but not that often. What I try to do is I try to throw everything in an introductory manner into 15 to 20 minutes at the most. 20 minutes is about the attention span of the average person. If you go over 20 minutes, people tend to, you know, nod off or they get distracted. So I try to keep everything within that time frame 10 to 20 minutes. And it's an absorbable amount of information at once. When I first started, it was two to three videos a week.

Now it's once a week because I have to go more in the deaf with the research and I try not to present information that I've already presented. You're right. Everything that I've done for the past 10, 15 years, has led up to this point. And so now I am presenting all my talents into this, into this channel. Yeah. Now, when you started this channel, was this like the end goal? I mean, obviously you want the channel to grow and stuff, but did you think that it would get to be this size two years from now? I mean, because I know when I started my podcast, I was, I went through stages of wows where like when I first started, I remember,

remember my first download, my first day of downloads, I had 200 downloads. I was like, wow, that's really good. That's really cool, you know, like people actually listen to my show. And I remember the first time I broke a thousand downloads. I was like, whoa, wow, a thousand people listen to my show. And but now looking back on it, like, if I had a day where I had a thousand now, I'd be like, what the heck, what, what, what happened? My world is falling apart. It's like, you know, like, for instance, uh, you know, this, uh, this week's, uh, podcast. just on Sunday alone, this past week's podcast, just on Sunday alone, had over 36,000 downloads. So if I had a day where I had 1,000, I'd be like, I need to reevaluate what I'm doing here.

So, you know, with your channel and stuff, was it kind of like that where you went through stages of progression where you're like, wow, you're hitting new levels and stuff? Or was it, you know, you have, what, almost 300,000 subscribers now? Is that something you're like, yeah, of course. I expected that. I have all going the channel big. I wasn't, in the beginning, I wasn't, well, I was the same way you were, you know, in the beginning, I was kind of, you know, surprised and was like, wow, this is, you know, really doing a little bit better than I expected. But that wasn't, my expectations of that were, uh, uh, uh, fell a little bit higher.

So I guess you could say I had the intent of having it grow this big. And I intend to add a go even bigger. But I kind of knew, like, this is what, this is how, this is the, how YouTube works. And this is what, I mean, it's just my opinion, but I, I had this idea of how YouTube works, and I tried to play that game by basically just coming up with, because as you can see, my, my show is pretty consistent. It has an intro. It has an outro.

and I pretty much tried to stick to that same pattern of consistency throughout all my videos so that when you come back to my channel, there's no surprises. You're not going to see me on camera one day and then see me off camera the next day. You know, so it's pretty consistent, just like a TV show. I'm just modeling just like a regular television show and it works. And it works for me. But I have seen other YouTubers do the same thing, and their channels are, you know in the million plus subscribers doesn't mean that that's what the number of

views they get because in the beginning I was getting way more views than I was getting subscribers and that was one of the things that helped my channel to grow fairly quickly not to mention that I was covering several different topics and that surprised a lot of people and that kind of let people to come back to the channel for more information more like a drug. But yeah, I had the same experience in the beginning. And then when it started to roll on a regular basis, you know, I was expecting thousands of views for, you know, certain videos. I knew certain topics were going to just take off. It doesn't matter how crazy the topic

was. I knew that topic was going to be a topic of interest. And that's pretty much how I set up the format for the show. So with your channel and, you know, the different topics you cover, I mean, you cover Nephilim giants, the Book of Jasher, Book of Enoch, harp, the Great Deception, you know, diets. Like, you cover a lot of different things. Like, and it's, you always title your videos, like you said, consistently, what you need to know about and then whatever you're talking about. When it came to your everyday life before you started this channel, was this something that everybody knew you were involved in? Or was this something that, like, the people around you kind of learned about, you know, different things about you that they didn't know

through your channel? No, actually, everyone who's close to me and my close friends and family, they pretty much knew I was into this stuff. I talk about it all the time. But, you know, they never would have imagined that I would take this to this type of level and come up with this channel. Surprise. Yeah, it's funny how that works and stuff. I mean, it's basically a very similar thing with me with my show and stuff. I mean,

for me, it was, you know, most people didn't know I was into the things I'm into. And then once I actually went public with it and the, you know, the cat was out of the bag, I don't think many people, you know, would have thought that I would have started a podcast and made it as big as it has gotten. But, you know, when you're passionate about something, you're able to, you know, do things maybe that typically you wouldn't do just because the past. passion drives you. And clearly, when people go to your channel and they check it out, it's one thing is clear. You're very passionate about these topics because nobody can sit there and make all these videos about these different things without actually being passionate about it and knowing what they're talking about. You know, one of the videos that you made that kind of got my gears moving, like I said, when you make these videos, you know, it's like something, it does something in my brain and I start thinking about things that either I didn't think about before or I just thinking about them in a different way. And one of the videos you made was about

the giant ancient trees. That was fascinating to me because I had never, ever thought about that before. And if, you know, the audience that may not know what I'm talking about stuff, could you go into that a little bit as to, you know, first of all, the idea of giant ancient trees. Is that something that you kind of thought of and then started looking into? Or is that something you came across along the way. Okay, so giant ancient tree stumps. Okay. So this is something that was, I heard about this from a broadcast, from another podcast.

I'm not really sure which one. I can't remember. When I heard it, I was, my mind was blown. I was like, what? So I went to the source, which is called, there are no forest on earth. there's another one title, there are no forest on flatter. But the actual video has absolutely nothing to do with flatter.

This was created by a Russian man. He calls himself David, and that's the only identity that we know of. He was on an interview, a short interview. I can't really recall. I have to go look it up. But that is the only interview that he is on. That video is about an hour or so long.

And as I was watching it, I was completely fascinated by the topic. And it made me think a lot about prehistoric life forms, how things were in those times. And I knew this was going to be a great. great, I knew it was going to be a great video, but I also knew that it was going to take a lot of heat. So that didn't bother me because I also knew that as people were coming in with negativity, that was just going to make the view count go up. So I tried to present it, yes, I tried to present it in the best, most reasonable manner.

A lot of people claim that it kind of sounds like, you know, it does come. from me, it does not. It is this is someone else's presentation and opinion. You know, I'm basically just trying to figure things out. One of the interesting things

about the tree stump, well, first of all, there's a lot of debunking of this, because a lot of people are associating this with flatter. Like I said, it has nothing to do with flatter. and a lot of people, I mean, how much do you know about Devil's Power in particular?

Not much at all. Not much at all. Well, in Wyoming, in the northeastern end of Wyoming, there is this extrusion called Devil's Tower. And it really, when you look at it from a distance, it looks like a tree stump. And actually, this is the one structure that looks the most like a tree stump. Every other structure, all the other mazes around in Arizona and California, around the world, Venezuela. They do have similar qualities to a tree stump, but this one looks the most like a tree stump. And so I wanted to do a little investigating into that. Now, most people think that what that tree stump is, well, we've stuck calling the tree stump.

We're not really sure. But what it is is most people think it's basalt, basalt rock, which is an igneous rock that's formed from extinct volcano. Okay? And so one of the theories is that this was a volcano plug, and what happens is when the magma starts to cool, you have all this soft earth material around, the hardened magma, the salt. And what happens is over time, it rains, and all that sediment starts to disappear, and what you have left is this structure, which has a lot of. of a geometric shapes to it, particularly hexagonal shapes. Now, basal is actually a very, it's usually black, and you usually find it on the coast, ocean coast.

Giant Causeway is a good example of this. And if you go Google, Giants Causeway, you're going to look at it and you're going to see these hexagonos. It looks like it's something that was built. It doesn't look like anything that is considered natural formation, but it is natural. Now, Devil's Tower is not, calling it basalt is kind of a misnomer. Because it's not really basalt. It's phenolite. And phenolite has a good amount of silicon dioxide.

Now, silicon dioxide is found in diatom, and diatoms are found in plant life. They are responsible for photosynthesis. So about maybe, I think about 20% of the carbon found in the atmosphere comes as a direct result of these diatom. Wow. And so what we have here is a problem because we, we have geologists that are all agreeing that this is some type of a volcanic extrusion and it couldn't possibly be anything that we think to be a tree. But we are talking about geologists and, you know, they have a club, you know,

and no geologist is going to risk their career trying to prove that this is a giant, or anything that's going to be a giant ancient tree stump of those proportions. There is dozens of these structures all around the world. And many of them have this structure that goes, it spreads out from the bottom, and then it goes straight up and it's flat on the top, as if someone chopped off the top. Now, there are, I'm trying to think here, remember, there's several in Africa, Ethiopia. We have a few in Australia. Tapui and Venezuela is one.

these are the ones that mostly look like tree stumps some of the other ones look more like mountain ranges the difference is that Devil's Tower in particular is kind of isolated and so if this were a extinct volcano deposits and there are no lava flow

there's no evidence of lava flow anywhere in that area. But if you go further west towards the northwestern part of Wyoming, you get to Yellowstone. So that part is, you know, all volcano. But since I posted that video, there has been an explosion of people researching this topic. And so now there's new evidence coming out that, you know, it's kind of refuting what the geologists have been saying. Really?

Yeah. There is evidence that comes out of China. I can't remember the name of the... The Cladoxyloopsis is the name of this type of tree. And they believe this to be the oldest tree in existence. Wow. And when they test this, these are actually volcanic fossils that they have found. Now, most people think that the trees we are most familiar with today, they have age rings.

Okay. So when you cut a tree down and you can see the rings inside, and that can tell you the age of the tree. These trees that they found don't have that type of structure on the inside. the xylem, which are the tubes that transport the nutrients up through the tree, instead of it being one, instead of being a series of circles throughout the entire tree, there are little tiny, there's like little trees within one big tree. And then the center of that tree is hollow. And so what you get is this cross-section structure. sure that looks very similar to the structure on top of Devil's Tower.

But they only, but they say these trees can only reach a maximum height of about eight meters or so. Whereas Devil's Tower, there's some speculation that maybe it could have been as high as 19,000 feet, which is pretty high, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the tree through that tall, because there are a lot of trees. that look very stocky and very, you know, short. So this could be a very large but short tree, very old large but short tree if you were to look at it. But I found a lot of interesting things about Dewell's Tower in particular,

and many of the people were trying to debunk it, you know, they're bringing up pretty good cases, but there's a lot of missing elements. to those presentations. Yeah, I mean, when I look at this, I see, ever since I saw that video, I see a tree.

I mean, and I actually, I did look into it as far as like pictures go and stuff. And I remember seeing pictures of the top of this thing, and it looked like it had rings going around like a tree.

And I was like, what the heck? But this kind of can kind of morph into another topic here. What are the odds that, you know, giants did roam the earth, and which I do believe that giants roamed the earth, and they cut down these trees. And before we get into that, actually, I want to ask you this other question. Is there a reason why you think that there's only dozens of these? If they were

trees, you'd think there would be more than just dozens of them, unless maybe there was no need for dozens because they were so large, they served a much bigger purpose. Yeah, it's very hard to tell. My thoughts on that is because the tree is such a large structure. And like I said, if you look on the inside of some of the ancient fossils they found in China, it looks like a bunch of smaller trees within one large unit. That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is just plain erosion.

Could have taken out a lot of those structures to where you're using. just are nothing, there's nothing left but a mound. Right. Okay. Depending on the age of this tree and, you know, how it came to be destroyed. And that's another question that we kind of have to look at and try to figure out, you know, because some of these tree stumps looked like they were broken and some of them look like they were cut off.

If you go, there's another section called Devil's Postpile. And this is another strike. that looks like the tree, when you look at the stump or the structure, it looks like, if it were a tree, it looks like it had fallen over and had been. So when you look at the structure, there are, there's rubble at the bottom. I wish I had, I wish we had the visuals of this, but it looks like it was a tree that fell over and splintered, and you can see where it would have been. have been. And I thought that was very telling, you know, in comparison with Devils Towers.

But yeah, how about we do go into the topic of Giants? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you can just start us off with, you know, with my original question, which is, is it possible that these things were cut down by Giants? Because some of them look like they were cut, like Devil's Tower, like it was cut. And, you know, it's just one of those things where, you know, you're taking two stories, these two different topics that you theoretically don't belong together, but you're putting together because giant trees, giants roaming the earth, you know, what are the chances? A lot of the topics I discussed on my channel, almost all of them, you can draw a map and connect

each topic to one another and you don't work out just fine many of the topics are based on what we're about to get into and that goes all the way back to the fallen I think it is possible that yeah if they were giant trees

then most definitely yes if they would have definitely have the technology if we consider what the fallen taught man back then, they most definitely probably had the technology to do such a thing. I haven't absolutely no reason to believe that they wouldn't be able to do such a task back then, especially if giants were at the size that some of the ancient texts

detect them to be. Right. I mean, some of the ancient texts and stuff talk about these giants being well. I mean, we talk about Bigfoot being around anywhere between 8 to 10 feet tall. But these giants, I mean, you're talking about what, 40, 50 times that height. Oh, yeah. The giants mentioned in the book that Enoch describes are actually that high. We're talking monstrous Godzilla height.

The giants that are post-flood are actually a little bit smaller. They seem to be just extraordinarily. big people. But there's a lot of speculation that they have bloodline that go back to the Mephyl. I think that's possible, but we are talking about unsancientian spirits. Or, yeah, unsancientian spirits. See, everything that God has created would be considered a sanchion spirit. Okay.

Our children, sanction spirit. But anything that is created outside of that sanction would be considered an abomination. Okay? And that's what the methylm were. Now, ordinarily in the animal kingdom, when you have an abomination, usually that offspring can't reproduce.

they're just cut off. That's just the way nature works. It cuts them off from ever being able to reproduce again. So you can't make a hybrid, then make another hybrid, and you know, you can't keep going generation after generation of this type of creature. My thoughts have always been, you know, after the first generation of giant, that was it. Now, in order to continue that blood,

line and can continue to pass it on, there has to be some type of genetic manipulation there. My thoughts on this whole thing are a little bit different than what people have been saying. So it was kind of hard for me to explain without having to review it over and over in my mind. Okay. So what we have here in the beginning, okay, let's, if we start from the beginning, okay, we have the creator and we have this first two creation, okay? one would be Jesus and the other one would be Lucifer. And after that, we have a entire plethora of cherub. So these could number or angels, they could number anywhere in the hundreds of thousands.

We don't really know, but we know that there were plenty of them. On Mount Hermon, there were only a few who decided that they would go down to Earth and take women as wives. This wasn't the, it was about 200, okay? This is according to the book of Eun. But this was not all the angels. He was got to remember that Satan took with him a third. So these are two separate groups here.

Now, the group that had taken the human women for wives, they had offspring that would grow to be, giant. Now the question is, why would they grow to the giant being? One of the things is the earth, the structure of the earth, the environment. One of the things about angels is that when you look at through the Bible and it describes angels, they are described as being actually massive beings. I forget the wingspan on one angels to be about. a city block.

We are talking about huge beings here. So it would stand as a reason if they were to take human bodies and have offspring, then they would probably follow the traits of the angels plus being human as well. When it comes to the idea of

these nephalum and these creatures, are you saying that once the flood happened, you don't believe there were any more giants created or are you saying that the giants that

that existed after the flood were more of a downgraded version of what existed before the flood? Yeah, I believe there's probably remnants of some genetic coding that could have passed down through some of the later

survivors of the flood. And one thing about the flood is you know, the Bible says that everything was destroyed. It's true, then the only remaining genetics of the giants would be in the children of Noah, specifically Ham, who would be the ancestor to Goliath. The giants, before that time, also, oh, another thing. A lot of people think, you know, that a lot of people disagree with the, Genesis because of the fact that the destructive power of God, they didn't think that God would

destroy mankind and the giants, you know, they tried to humanize God and try to figure out why would God destroy all these people amongst the giants. And that's where the 120 years comes from. Because if you look into the book of Jashir explains that 120 years is actually the life cap for everyone else. Okay, not the giants, not the Nathlum, but the people who are living in that time. He caps off that so that they could live their life and they wouldn't have to experience the devastation of the flood.

So what God did was he let everyone, he set their age. to be 120 years because, of course, people back then, they lived much longer. So he capped off their lifespan, and he let those people die off naturally. Okay? So everybody who was left are the Nephlam and the defiled human beings and Noah's family. Okay? Because you have to have, you still have to have a family to carry on the lineage. You have to carry on, you know, the lineage even after the flood.

If everything is going to be destroyed, you have to have someone there to carry on the human race. So after all these people were let to die, then the floods came. But Enoch was more the messenger. And at that time, he was trying to go to these Nephlem. And he was trying to explain to them that you still have a chance to live. if you, you know, if you show your devotion, you know what I mean, it wasn't that they were doomed from the beginning. It was that they didn't listen and they were in rebellion against the whole idea. So, you know, therefore they were wiped out. I mean, you can't have giants running

around the earth, especially the things that they were doing as well with animals. and this is one of the other things that I thought about when it came to dinosaurs and I often wondered I wanted if dinosaurs were the product of the Nethulm as well and it turns out that the dating of these the Dinosauri of many Dinosaur fossils is not actually what they're telling the public. They're actually a lot closer to the modern age than they are actually millions of years old. That's something that I explore also with the idea of this, you know, Bigfoot topic is that is this some kind of remnant from what the fallen angels did with animals? And I know you listened to my think tank show and I talked about it in

there with the book of giants and what it says in there. Uh, you know, miscegenation is creating a hybrid creature. And so when it talks about doing that with animals, uh, what do you think the offspring is going to look like? If you're, if you're willing to accept the fact that, you know, Genesis 6 verse 4 and what it talks about there is, you know, offspring as in giants, which, you know, you and I are on the same page with that, I believe, uh, you know, some people want to argue that that's not, that's not what that means. But I, I don't think that when you actually look into it, I don't think you can make an argument for that at all. But if that's the case and you have a giant offspring, when you got fallen angel and woman equaling giant hybrid,

then when you take fallen angel and wolf or gorilla or something like that, what's the offspring going to be? you know, maybe a giant dog, also known as dog man or Bigfoot. And, uh, you know, so it's like, and if that's the case, then, you know, would these creatures have supernatural abilities like their fathers did naturally, uh, which would kind of explain why people say they see these things doing weird things like disappearing or you find a trackway and all of a sudden it leads to nothing. Like it's just gone. Like there's footprints in the middle of nowhere, and then all of a sudden they're just gone. And it's like, where did it go, you know?

Right. So it would kind of explain some things in my mind. Is that how you think, too? I think when we start talking about that we see today, we're diving into a, not another topic, but a different part of the topic we've been discussing, and that's the fallen. I don't think they're remnants of the giants. I think these are demonic entities. because what the mona...

Well, first of all, Satan has been here, of course, since the very beginning. And since that time, he has been placing props up around the planet. Some are structural props, I guess you could say. The pyramids would consider to be a structural prop so that later generations, when they're looking back at these things, they're at odds with each other. They can't explain these things. And you just end up in this loop of unexplained phenomenon and history that we can't get

to the bottom of. In the case of Bigfoot, there are certain things that are, you know, of course, very similar to apparations and demonic entities that they do. the, okay, so demons use this technique called seduction. And what they will do is they will show you

just a glimpse. Just a faint glimpse, a flash of something. You can't really discern what it is. You know, you can barely see it. It's usually at a distance. You usually have distorted imagery if you try to

capture it on film. And this is a game of seduction. And what they are doing is they're trying to lure people in to this idea that it is something separate.

Just like aliens, and this is what Satan has been doing since the beginning. He's been trying to position these things so that they look like aliens, they look like big foot. They look like dogman. They look like the chimera. All these different things. You know,

we can relate that to hybrids. But essentially, their functions are the same. They're to try to seduce man into thinking this is what they are so that you spend all your time investigating something that you will never get to the bottom of. And they all, this has been a, uh, constant tool of theirs since the beginning. And they're very proficient at it. One of the things when it comes to demonic harassment is that most of the time

when it comes to demons in particular, many people don't see them. Okay? They may see poltergeist activity, but for the most part, when they see ghost apparitions, these are more humanoid, I guess you could say. And so people separate the two.

They think one is monotolent and they think the other is probably the spirit of someone who's passed on. To me, they're all the same. You know, Bigfoot, dog man, demons,

to me, they're all the same. In different forms. What the seduction does is it gives you, it opens, it helps them to get to you mentally. It kind of opens doorways, and, you know, it takes you off of a path because what you start thinking is that there are other things out there besides the extradimensional entities, which we would call probably angels or demons. to me, there's only those two.

I don't know if there's anything else out there that would be extra-dimensional, but the only thing that I can think of that would be an extra-dimensional being would be an angel or dean. Anything else is probably just the same thing in a different form. Okay. I don't discount the existence of extraterrestrials. because I really don't know. But they do carry with them the same patterns. If you kind of look at the sightings,

these are not things that stick around and they're only visible to certain people in certain times. And there's a lot of similarities between these sightings and sightings of orbs and sightings of Bigfoot. and they're usually in areas that are more remote than, you know, an urban environment. But I don't believe that, you know, especially Bigfoot.

Bigfoot is one thing. Now, there's people who have, you know, they have state-of-the-art technology when they're hunting these things. And, you know, it's something that they just can't get to the, you know, they can't, they're getting nowhere. They just can't, I mean, it's been long to say they're getting nowhere. They are getting somewhere, but it's leading them in a loop. Okay, it's kind of like taking them

in the full circle. And so, you know, these entities, these, the Bigfoot, if it is an intelligent, psychic being that can go in and out of dimensional portals,

you know, that sounds like an evil spirit or an angel or demon, as you would call it to me. No, yeah, you're absolutely right with that. I mean, there are definitely features about these things that kind of take you right back to the idea of how demons operate. And, you know, I don't know if you've heard these stories or not, but, you know, you hear stories of people, you know, saying that they were, they had an encounter with a dog man and they rebuked it in Jesus' his name in it left. You hear about those kind of things and it makes you think, okay, well, what are we dealing with here then? Is this something that is more of a demonic entity or, you know,

or what, you know, I really, I really try to refrain from drawing secure conclusions as to what these things are. I mean, I have my ideas. I have my own thoughts and stuff. But I, when it all boils down to is I really don't know. I really don't know. Yeah. If you, if you will look to, do you know what a magna pina squid is? No, I have no idea what that is. This is a deep ocean squid. And it looks like, it looks like an alien. It looks like the aliens from Independence Day. If you're actually the Google picture of one, you could probably get bring it up real easily. And they found this creature and, you know, at the bottom of the ocean. Bigfoot is not at the bottom of the ocean. Okay. We can find all types of animals, almost every animal that we know of. We have been able to

track. We've been able to hunt. We've been able to bring evidence of his existence to, you know, to the table where, you know, as for Bigfoot, this is still a mystery. Okay. Why is this, why can't we get to the bottom of this. Why can't we find one that's even dead? Can we find one that's dead? Can we bring it back? Is there stories of anyone? I don't know if you can know if any stories that anyone has killed one and has it. But for the most part, if this were just an animal, you know, I'm sure we would have some evidence of that. And this would be, you know, some type of, you know, discovery channel type of thing here, you know, it would be, it would be presented as such, but we don't have that. We have, you know, just a phenomenon, you know.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, go ahead. Don't go ahead. No, I was just going to say that there are reports of people that have shot these things or even have killed them, which kind of like takes me back to, you know, what is this then, you know? because is it half physical, is it half paranormal or what? You know, I've heard different stories of these things attacking people and then getting shot. I had a guy on my show from West Virginia who claimed he had killed one. And the hardest thing about that whole show was it's the common story of where's the body, right?

and it's something that he was unable to provide, and it was something he was unable to photograph. So it's one of those things where it's like, you know, take it for a grain of salt, I guess. I believe the guy, when I talk to him and stuff, the details that he shared and the things that he said really led me to believe that this happened to him. And I'm still in communication with the guy,

and he is trying to get pictures of this. Like when he, when this first thing happened to him, he was like, I'm going to get pictures of these. I see them all the time. I'm going to get pictures of them. I'm going to show the whole world that they exist and we'll be done with this. And that was his attitude about it. He just is like, this isn't going to be hard.

And that was like a year ago. And he still is having a hard time, you know, getting pictures of these things. He has a secret Facebook group that he started. There's only like a handful of people, like maybe like five people on this group on one of them. And he just posts videos in there of what he's planning on doing and stuff with trying to, You know, he's like, I have this thing set up here, that, this and the other. But no, there's to no avail, you know. And this is somebody who says that he's, he's, when he first saw him, he was 14 years old.

And he continues to see him to this day. It's, it's on, they're on properties around where he grew up. And this is like a very common thing for him. He hears them and things like that. And so when he decided to try getting it on camera, I think he's starting to figure out that there might be something more to this because he doesn't understand why he can't get it on camera. And so, I mean, it's very, the topic of Bigfoot and, you know, dog man the same thing, they're very odd. It's hard to pin it down to one thing.

Yeah, I mean, my opinion about that is, you know, the reason he can't get footage of this is for the same reason. It's very difficult to get footage of an alien or an apparition, a ghost for that matter. you know, they have the same technical issues. And one of the other things is, once you start seeing these things, you don't stop seeing them. And that kind of goes along with the shadow people. Yeah. You know, I've experienced with this, excuse, with sleep paralysis. I've woken up plenty of times with entities standing in the

corner of the room or just approaching me while I'm sleeping. At that point, I either snap out of it or, you know, I try to rebuke it and it just vanishes or I wake up. I'm walking up calling out God's name several times. This is just kind of become a habit of mine. It happens so often. I don't even sleep on my back anymore because of the experiences that I usually have when I'm sleeping on my back. Really? Yeah, this can, I mean, this can happen, it can happen without you sleeping on your back. But for me, I have the most vivid dreams and I have these episodes when I'm, every time

I'm sleeping on my back. So, you know, there might be something to that. It might be helpful something to do with the blood flow to the brain and gravity with a position you're sleeping in. but for the most part you know it seems like the stories are very common and similar when it comes to all these

entities and it always ends up the same way where we have very limited evidence you know and you know it's kind of weird that people are looking for video footage or pictures when you know no one believes that stuff these days anyway

you know there's I mean you can't use videos for evidence anymore these days So with all the technology we have, anybody can make up anything. Props, make up all this type of things you can do to simulate something. But, you know, to me it all comes back down to one thing, you know. You know, I try not to get too evangelistic about it. You know, I just, you know, there's certain things that resonate.

and then there's certain things that are just, you know, that doesn't make any sense. It just doesn't. So I look at it as, you know, with these people who are encountering these things, you know, there's some stories where these things tend to follow them all the way into their home where they're experiencing not only do they experiencing Bigfoot, they experiencing UFOs, you know, which is pretty spectacular for one person to witness all these things at once. But, you know, I tend to think they're the same thing. And they're just in different forms. And what they're doing is they're trying to manipulate people into believing

that they're all different so that you are confused about to what they really are. Running off of this kind of topic and stuff like that, before we, you know, have to end the show, I wanted to get into a little bit of the idea of the hollow earth, because I know that there's a thought and theory out there that that is how the Nephlem survived the flood, that the hollow earth, they went into the earth and they survived. Could you expound on what the hollow earth is? Okay, yeah Well, as far as that Well, that is one way to survive a flood

The only way you can survive a flood Is basically in that arc Or if you're in a chamber under the earth Okay I don't know if you ever heard of Colonel Billy Wooder Yeah Yeah, he claims to have

Resided there for some time The satellites we have today are capable of sending out ground penetrating radar. Now, a number of years ago, and I can't remember the exact technique, but it involves using two satellites, one on one side of the earth and you have another satellite on the opposite side of the earth. And what you can do is if you bounce radio waves through the earth out to that other satellite and bounce radio waves back, what you can get is a stereographic image, like an x-ray of the Earth. And from what I understand, they have found massive pockets underneath the crust, some with oceans. And it's just something that, you know, you can start with when it comes to investigating hollow earth.

what's inside Hollow Earth, I don't know so much about I was more at the time when I was investigating in it I was looking for more of the interests

into it I know that some believe that there are interests in the North and Southern Poles as well as

other few caves around the planet but I haven't been able to find anything concrete testimonies or you know

I can only get so much information out of testimonies and you know sometimes people can they can

present themselves as knowing a little too much that makes the sense you know sure there are certain

people out there that you know they trying to think of someone that I don't want to say any names

but there are certain researchers that, you know, when they speak, they, about scientific things on the earth, they also throw in there things about extraterrestrials, as if they've met with terrestrials. You know what I mean? So it's kind of like, all right, so, you know, now you're going into a realm that most people know absolutely nothing about.

So it's kind of like whatever you're telling us, you know, could be completely made up. you know, there's no way for anyone to confirm that part of the story, you know? And it's like when you mix science fiction in with known reality, it kind of puts you in a category, you know, as a, you know, maybe a quack or a runan, you know, a lunatic or something like that.

You know, people think they're crazy. And, you know, it's not that they're crazy. It's that they have, you know, certain knowledge that they have accumulated. And so they've settled in certain beliefs, you know. Whether or not they've met aliens or not, I don't know. But, you know, I tend to leave the latter. I think that, you know, when it comes to hollow earth, it's a little bit more believable than, you know, something like flatter.

There you go. Because, you know, you did, there are caves, there are massive caves that you could sit, you know, two football fields in. And some even bigger than that. And we really don't have any, you know, going into the earth is just as dangerous as going into space, just as dangerous as going deep into the ocean. These are things that are kind of out of our reach. And so, you know, we have to base what we know on testimonies, people who actually do the in-depth research.

And that's pretty much as far as we can go with that, unless you actually lead expeditions to visit some of these places. You know, this is what we're left with. Right. And, you know, you mentioned Flat Earth there. I was going to ask you what you thought was more plausible, hollow earth or flat earth, but I got my answer. You know, when it comes to a flat earth and stuff like that, I've always just written it off. And I have my reasons for that.

But because of the show that I do and stuff, I just told my wife yesterday, I looked at her. I said, listen, I'm going to start looking into flat earth. And I said, I don't expect to ever find anything that changes my mind from what it is. But I told her, I said, if I start finding something that starts making sense in my head, I'm going to need you to check it out too, to tell me I'm crazy. Oh, yeah. You know, or, or, you know, it doesn't make sense to her because my wife is a very logical thinker. And so, you know, either talk me off the edge or tell me there's something here.

But, you know, I'm actually going to give it a fair shape because I know there's several of my listeners who are flat earthers. They've reached out to me and told me I should look into it because before have, I haven't mocked it. I guess I mocked it a little bit, you know, because I, one of my things is, you know, I have a good mixed audience, you know, and but some of my audience is Christian. And they say that, you know, in the Bible, it talks about the, when they describe the earth, they talk about being on pillars and, and the firmament and things like that. And one of the things that I always come back to with that is I don't believe that God, when people wrote the Bible, I don't believe that God kind of wrote, like, wrote and had their arms write the Bible uncontrollably.

I think that these people that wrote the Bible were selected by God. And I think that they were the perfect selection by God because they went through the perfect life experiences to get to where they were to be just the perfect person to write the Bible. I think that God selected these people and he inspired it. But I don't think they wrote uncontrollably to write down the Bible. And I say that because I also with Flat Earth, I don't think that we should hold people who wrote the Bible 2,000 years ago up to the magnifying glass to today's 20, 2018's science. So over 2,000 years, we have progressed in science. And back then, they believed the earth was flat. They really did. And that's okay because that's

where their science was at. But science progressed. And as science, it's like, should God have told or had these people write uncontrollably to write according to the science of 2,000 years later? You know what I mean? Because that's what it would have had to happen in order for them to write down that the earth was round. They would have had to write something that they didn't think could exist, but they write it because they were told to write it or something like that. You know what I mean? And I know that kind of frustrates people when I say those kind of things because it might sound like I think that some things in the Bible are inaccurate. I don't think they're inaccurate at all. But I think you have to put it up to a cultural

context of when the Bible was written. The Bible was written by real human beings who had real life experiences 2,000 years ago, and that helped shape what they wrote in the Bible. And I think Flat Earth is a, what's the word I'm looking for? I think Flat Earth is a repercussion of that. You know, I think because of those circumstances, Flat Earth was put in the Bible. And I don't think that we should look at today with all the science we have and and uh think that the earth is flat you know especially like there's simple things like when elan musk shoots a rocket in this in the space and there's uh you know a camera in our space shooting the earth on live feed i mean and but every time you bring that up now it's no longer just the earth is flat and we've never been in outer space

but now it's yeah we're they're saying we're in outer space but that's a holocaid but that's a And now all of a sudden we're bringing in these third parties of conspiracy to cover up that the earth is flat. Right. There is no space and flatter. So I get so much heat. I've become desensitized by this. You know, um, sometimes I go and I look for flat earthers. I'm like, no flat earthers today.

Oh, okay. So, you know, I've gotten to the point. I've gone to the point. Well, you know, it doesn't bother me. And it doesn't bother me to say what I say. You know, I, I, I have no problem. with people being offended to their belief in flat earth.

You know what I mean? Right. It's a, you know, there's the earth we're talking about here. You know, there's, um, one of the things, you know,

the devil is always at work, okay? And so he's even going to manipulate people through the Bible. And a matter of fact, it's probably one of his best tools to manipulate people. And,

uh, people, you know, these translated texts are very old, and the translations can, you know, it can be translated several different ways, depending on who translates the text. Clearly. Yeah, you can take things out of the Bible and say, you know, this is, it's not proof, you know, the fact that we don't really know the Bible, you know, we don't really, you know, we don't really know if the Bible is, you know, what it's supposed to be because it was something that was put together by, you know, powers that had certain agendas, you know. I do think it has maintained

its integrity throughout the years, and it is the Word of God. I do believe that. I think with all the different types of Bibles that we have today, you know, there's going to be some discrepancies. There's going to be some inconsistencies there. The flat earth is, you know, it's an interesting thing, but to me, I think it was intended to put Christians at odd with each other, to be honest with you, since this whole thing started. It hasn't been that long. It's only been, you know, a couple of years or so. And most of the people who are flat earth believers have only been believing this for that long. You know, it's not like Eric DeBay was, this is what he believed, always believed, you know. His story in particular, you know, if you go to his channel, you can see that

his videos start out with, you know, more spiritual things, martial arts, things of that nature. And as you go later on into his videos, you can see his first video on flat earth, and you can see the numbers jump up. And since that video, he's continued to go forward with this whole flat earth venture, you know. You can actually go and look up when the first few flat earth videos were released. You know, you can Google this stuff, and it could take you to, you know, dates to show you how old this theory is. and, you know, it, uh, it resonates with a lot of people because of the fact that, you know, it makes them feel like they are truthers and they are doing a service to those who follow, you know? Right.

You know, I'm not against that. You know, I think that, you know, if that's what you believe, that's, that's perfectly fine. I caution anyone not to go so deep into any one time. This is one of the things that I try not to do. I try not to go too deep into anyone's topic because it is seductive. A lot of these topics are so seductive. You can find yourself, you know, like a lot of people, they write 800, 600-page books on the subject, you know. And I'm like, what is in this book that it's this long, you know?

And a lot of them are photographs and, you know, it's very convincing evidence. But this is what happened. If you dive too deep into one particular topic, it can take hold of you. And, you know, a lot of times it's very hard to escape that. And you'll get settled in opinions or get settled in ideas that you know deep down inside that are not reality, they're not true. And you'll just start parody information. A lot of them do.

just parrot information. A lot of these experiments that they do are parroted experiments, you know, the repeated experiments that fail. So, you know, it's, it's interesting and it's interesting

because that it brings up all these other conspiracy theories. And that's what I think really is the only good thing about Flat Earth is that it does have people question other things because when you start the research flat earth, you start to research

space, you start to research hollow earth, you start the research all the NASA, you start to research all these different things and it really does open doors to a world of information that you can get into from there. So, you know, I don't think it's, you know, a bad thing in the sense that, you know, it can open people up to new ideas and get them to start to investigate things on their own. It's just that I think people can get a little too deep into it to where, you know, they start looking like a lacro. Right. And that's the thing. I mean, when it comes to flat earth, I don't care either way. Like if, if right now with my stance on, you know, the earth is not flat, if I'm wrong, I'll still go to sleep at night. Like, it's not going to

changed my life. Like, I've made it 32 years on this flat earth then. So I guess I'm doing something right. I don't care if the earth is flat or a sphere. I just don't care. And so, but I want to look into it because I know it's obviously a very hot topic right now. And there's, I'm seeing more and more people become flat earthers. And I'm just like, all right, let me just look into this to see, you know, because I've listened to different things and here and there, but I just, let me just give a fair shake and, you know, question everything, though, you know, because it's one of those things where they're going to, you're going to get flooded with information. And it's just like, as you get this information, you got to question everything. But yeah, it's definitely, you know,

something that's just like a very hot topic. I even brought up to my wife a few months back and stuff. And I told her some of the things that, you know, just logically speaking, you know, I can understand where these people are coming from. She got so defensive. So she's like, how could people, how could people believe that? You know, she got so irritated. And I was like, I said, stop. Why are you acting like that? Like, there's some, everybody gets so frustrated that I think it's, my wife's a very

intelligent person. And I think, uh, there's something to do with people who are, are very intelligent and, uh, having a hard time comprehending how people could even fathom the earth being flat. Uh, I don't know. But, uh, I'm a pretty, I'm not, let's just. put it this way, I'm not as intelligent as my wife. And so I don't get offended by it as much. I don't know.

Well, you know, that puts people into an authoritative position of knowledge, you know, when they, you know, present that to people, you know, because a lot of people don't look into it because, you know, the idea comes across as silly a lot of people until they actually start to investigate it. And then it can take you on a ride where you're, you can. believe some things, but some things are still a question, but for the most part, there are a lot of things, if I weren't so exhausted by the research I've done on Flat Earth, I mean, it's been a, it's been a wild ride. I have looked through so many documents, and I've watched so many

presentations on this. I'm mentally exhausted from the whole thing because it is such a topic of interest for a lot of people and it's growing. You're right, it is growing. And that's kind of telling for the times we're living in right now where, you know, it rewrites history. You know, right now I'm looking into the ancient Egyptians in the Grand Canyon. And, you know, when you start to investigate these things, you know, now you have to go sit back and not you have to look at everything else that you've investigated. You have to look at the pyramids and everything you know about the Egyptians and the ancient Europeans and, you know, the Sumerians. And now you have to go over here to North America, Central North America, and where there are claims that, A lot of these structures are actually much older than what we find in Egypt and in the Mediterranean area.

I'm pretty convinced that, you know, this flat-earth thing is, you know, is something to divide knowledge amongst people. It's kind of like buying time, dark entities that do what they need to do. You know, it kind of like it's a distraction, in other words. because we are, you know, you can look at the events around us with the volcanic activity. There's several Earth changes that are occurring, and when the Earth changes, this is another thing. When the Earth changes, the biology of everything that lives on the Earth changes as well. So you have these animals today where we're discovering new species of animals. The behavior in animals is changing.

of course the weather is changing we are entering a area of space that is debris filled and all these things changing the atmosphere, they're changing the environment and so therefore everything living on it including us are changing biologically so you know that's bringing up a lot of symptoms

people are getting headaches heart problems, hot flashes. There's small things like hums. People are starting to get more tinnitus, buildup of earwax, heavy buildup of earwax. There's a lot of different things that are happening to people that they can't explain. And when they visit their primary practitioner, they can't explain it. So there are a lot of things that are connected to. each other.

Flat Earth kind of, you know, spread things out and it kind of like shows you. It's basically just a bunch of different theories mashed up into one theory. And, you know, it's interesting because a lot of the times when you listen to these debates or when you listen to these presentations on flat Earth, you know, it's not really about the shape of the Earth. it's more or less about NASA, space, and certain other things that are, you know, disbelieved by certain groups. So, you know, you can take what you want from that.

Yeah. And that's one of the things where, you know, like NASA, I don't trust NASA. I don't trust NASA. And I think this flat earth theory is drawing people's distrust in government. in organizations like NASA and maybe even the need for mystery. And it's really playing into a lot of different things. Like you said earlier, I mean, it's not just about the shape of the earth now. It's about so many things, you know. And it's just, you know, that's why I want to give it a solid look into. I'm going to really actually look into it. I heard of Eric Dubay. I'm going to actually

check out his stuff. And we're just going to go from there. You know what I mean? And maybe one day I'll have a flat earth show where, you know, I have a flat earther and a, what heliocentric guy come on and have a civil debate. I think that would be something that maybe would be beneficial for people and enjoyable. So, you know, it's going to be, it should be interesting. But right now I'm going to definitely check it out and stuff like that. But, Jay, man, listen, before we get out of here, is there any, you know, parting words you'd like to say like, you know, Maybe, you know, when's the next video coming out and can you reveal the topic or anything like that? Sure.

This is going to go into the topic of, again, Earth changes, but it's going to focus mainly on ancient civilizations. And what were they doing in Central and North America at those times? You know, so I'm really going to try and dive deep into that topic and try to expand on the other topics. discuss and try to connect the dots because a lot of these things you can see we're going into one topic to the other are they are connected right so you know in one way or the other but you know should be a great show coming up and uh you know the one after that will be even better absolutely i highly encourage people to check out your channel again it's woodward tv woodward tv wo-o-o-d-w-a-r-d-d-tv that's woodward tv on youtube he has

a ton of videos. He comes out with a new video about it once a week, and they're all kinds of topics that we typically discuss on this show, whether it's cryptids or conspiracy or anything like that. So definitely check out Woodward TV on YouTube. Jay, thanks for being here, man. Oh, thank you, Tony. It's great to be. This is how it's going to be. This is what you think of me. It's going down like a... This is how it's going to be. I'll be the last man standing here. I'm not going anywhere.

It's going down like I told you. I'll be the last man standing here. Begging for mercy.