The Confessionals - 141: The Summoner

Episode Date: July 16, 2019

On Episode 141, we have Eric joining The Confessionals to talk us through how he stumbled upon the ability to summon UFOs! He also shares some very concerning paranormal experiences that are embedded into his memory. It’s a great conversation to listen to, so sit back, relax and push ‘play’!BECOME A MEMBER AND GET ADDITIONAL SHOWS: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinTickets for ParaCon 2019 at Pennhurst Asylum: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/live-eventsSubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaISubscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail]: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcastTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelShow Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUwShow Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3Show Art: Alika Spahn Naihe (www.hauoliart.com)Audio Trailer: Dalton Boyd (www.soundcloud.com/supernova-city)Outro: Roswell by Dalton Boyd

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant. But the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast and spears Dan holds him up like this. Somebody else shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face.

They basically decapitated. Feel something pulling at my leg and I look over and there are two small gray entities. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing. A monster. Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody.

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It's really, really cool. And along with the forums, you get a chat room where you can also do live chatting. You get instant messenger and private messages just like Facebook. It's really a very cool tool for you guys to enjoy as members. You'll also get access to Patreon archives of some live shows we did in the past. that are going to be available for you as members. And then every once in a while, maybe once a month or once every other month, we're going to do a live show with a live call-in number for listeners to actually call in

and talk to myself and the guest and ask questions. This is going to be a really cool feature for everybody that's a member on the website. So if you're interested in becoming a member to the confessionalspodcast.com, head there right now, click the join button and select the plan that you choose. Thank you very much in advance. I really look forward to this new journey on the website with the members. Now this week, we have a great show coming up. We have Eric coming on who has some paranormal experiences, but we start off with his UFO experiences.

Now, Eric claims that he's able to actually summon UFOs. He did this through meditation, and he didn't even mean to do it on purpose when he first did it. But it actually happened, and he shares it all on this week's show. But before we get to this week's show, I want to play you a trailer of this week's member episode, episode one for the members. Here's the trailer right now. Sometimes I was watching my little sister, and we were in this brand new house.

It was brand new. It had just been built. And the fire alarms and the carbon dioxide alarm were all wired into the electricity, and they all had brand new batteries. Because, you know, they have the backup batteries in case the power goes out. I'm sitting there watching her,

and I think we were playing. And I actually think I was doing her hair. And as I'm doing her hair, all of a sudden, every single alarm, including the carbon monoxide alarm, starts going off in the house. And I'm like, okay, I thought there was something really happening in the house, maybe a fire or something. And so I took her outside. And I'm like, you wait right here. I'm going to go in and see what's going on. And she said, okay.

And I went through the entire house. I checked every room. I felt the walls. I went to the basement, and they all went off for around five minutes, and then they stopped. And I told my dad and my stepmom about it. I'm like, the alarms went off today, and there was no reason for it. We should call somebody to come and take a look. So they had the electrician come out, check the connections, check them.

There was nothing wrong with it. It happened to me and my sister four or five times, and at that point, they weren't believing me. They're like, the electrician looked at it. There's nothing going on. You're just scaring your sister. And I'm like, I'm telling you they're going off. I'm not lying. And one night, it went off at midnight while everyone was home and asleep.

And at that point, they started to believe that the fire alarms were going on. Okay, today we have a great guest coming on. We have Eric and Eric reached out to me with some UFO encounters, some paranormal encounters. And we're going to get into it with Eric. So, Eric, how you doing? man. I'm doing really well, Tony. How are you? I'm doing good, man. It's a lot of fun doing the show and talking with people. I know we've had some difficulty connecting up front here with the phone connection and stuff. So we're actually using some newer technology that I've actually recently

got and stuff. So I'm able to actually record you. And we're doing this over Facebook. And so this is going to be a lot of fun. I'm excited to hear how this audio turns out. But dude, so let's just get into the UFO encounters first and talk to us about what happened, you know, I'm assuming that, you know, this was something that stood out to you as to why you wanted to contact me. So let's, let's just jump right into it, man. What happened? All right. The UFO stuff is a little bit later on in my whole paranormal activity story. So just bear with me. But I went to school, Southern California right by the beach. And there's already some type of rumors going around.

It's just the energy there. Stuff is not apparent to the normal eye. So we were up late one night. I lived in like this trailer park with a bunch of surfers. And we were up all night. And everyone ended up like going to sleep shortly, probably like an hour before sunset. And I had recently gotten into this doctor-turned UFO specialist,

and he was talking about how you can access UFOs with your consciousness. So I don't know if it was just partying before that gave me a little liquid courage, but I was like, all right, I'm going to try this because I'm out on my back porch, like looking over the ocean. And I just kind of start meditating. And this red light appears in the night sky. And it's like a star. And it's blinking. And not like twinkling.

Like blinking like every two or three seconds. And it's red. It's not white or orange or, you know, some hue of that. It's red blinking. And I was a little freaked out. And I'm like, okay. But I also felt like I was connected with whatever. this was. And for one, I consider myself, from what I've learned from your show, sensitive to things like that. And I didn't know really what it was called or if it was even a thing. But I knew there was not just one, probably two or three in whatever, maybe this was a craft or something like that. And as the sun rose over the mountain, because where I'm at, when the sun starts to rise, in order for that light,

to break. It has to come over this hill that's way off, I guess you would say, in the east. And as the sun rose and the night sky turned into morning, dawn, this red light starts to move. And I'm telling it with my consciousness, with my mind, in this meditative state, but now I have my eyes open, like, don't go. Like, don't go. But I knew it was like they had to go. and probably about five or six more clicks like flash flash flash and then it was gone and i was like okay i can't really talk about that to anyone i mean it could just be me i've been up for a while so the next day i sleep for a few hours i go to work and my job is by the beach it's a restaurant and i take the local bus after work uh shortly after sundown

I'm waiting by the, I'm waiting out the bus stop and it's on a bay of the ocean. So I'll tell you right now, I'm working and living in Malibu at the time. And from Malibu, you can see San Pedro. And I can, it might be like 40 miles across the ocean. So you just see like these, this beautiful hill with these twinkling lights. And I'm just waiting on the bus. And I see this blue light going across Sanpedo. and I'm like, oh, there's a police chase going on or something.

But then I'm thinking, I've seen them burn off the oil refineries from that side of the bay. And even a fire that's probably 10 stories high, it takes a light that bright to hue all the way over to Malibu where I'm at. And so, I'm like, this isn't a police chase because, one, this light isn't getting obstructed, by any trees or anything that's over there. But it looks like almost like a street light is just moving across Palis Ferdis. And it's blue. And I'm tripping out, but my bus comes and I get off

and it's about a 20 minute walk from my next bus stop. So probably about 40 minutes later, I walk back into the trailer that we're all living in. And one of my buddies is like, UFO over San Pedro, UFO over San Pedro. I didn't say anything. I didn't say a word about it. I'm like, I'm not going to have people thinking I'm crazy or anything like that. And it was just total validation.

And I'm like, it was a blue light, wasn't it? And he was like, yeah, and there's a video on YouTube. And this video is still on YouTube to this day with some people that were in that area. And it actually flew right over them. It looked similar in the video to what people have. said was the space X launch. I know there was that UFO siding over LA, I think earlier this year, maybe 2017. And after the fact, they're like, oh, it's SpaceX. But even like celebrities and things like that were like, that is not a rocket. And that's exactly what this blue light looked like, I guess, up close. So I had that red light encounter earlier that morning. And then this blue light showed up. And I'm like thinking to myself, did I do this? Like, did I, like, stir up something?

But in the meantime, prior to one of the more intense sightings, I was working at a nice family home in Malibu in the Hills. And their neighbors, this will all kind of come full circle. It might sound kind of random at first, but I would go to work at a certain time a few times a week. Let's say, like, I'd get there after lunch because I worked with cameras. So the television industry goes to lunch like one to two. So if I come back after three, everyone's had lunch, they're in a good mood. I start making calls. But every time I would walk up or

if I was leaving at lunchtime, around the same time every day, I think it was around 2.30. The neighbor, they were always doing construction on their house, but I never saw the house really changed that much. And this guy, I thought he was the owner's son or something, blonde hair, blue eyes, good-looking dude, is always at his truck, taken off his shirt, and then going off on a run at the exact same time every day. And I was like, that's so weird, because every time I'm walking down this driveway, I see this guy. So eventually, let's say six months later, I actually ended up moving in with my boss because I was in between places and I had worked in his home office.

And he was like, yeah, just hang out here. And I'm having dinner with him and his wife. And actually, he was out of town. And his wife told me that that family, that house was so weird. And I was like, well, what do you mean? And she says, well, for one, if you notice, there's never any lights on at night. And I was like, huh, I actually never noticed that, but there aren't any lights on over there. And two, her neighbor on her other side, they all kind of have like a community watch program for their little cul-de-sac.

and he said that one night he saw these guys in hoods like moving stuff in and out of the house like a team of people and like black hoods and like black sweats or whatever um and for me i don't know if it's just my intuition but something says like extraterrestrial family living right here and that's there's some other I don't know if on my way up I used to run to work and it was about a three mile run and then I'd work for like a few hours and I'd run back and it was a great way to get a workout whatever and I know on the way up there on the street after about a month of doing that up this incline there's this bloody it looks like a claw print or a footprint and it's three long toes and then the back of the foot extended. And it's blood and it's in the asphalt.

And then there's this long like lizard or parson tail right by it. And so when I'm running, because there's no sidewalk, you know, I've got to run on the shoulder of this curvy hilly, Malibu Hills Road. This thing, I mean, rain or shine, day after day did not wash away. And I'm not going to touch it. And I guess I never took a picture of it because I was in the middle of my run and I was on an incline going up. So I didn't want to like stop and have to catch my breath and stuff. But I'll never forget it.

I don't know which show I was listening to, but I've heard of a creature that had feet like that. And it's like a winged type. I don't know if it's like the Jersey devil type thing. But I definitely matched the description. And moving on from, yeah, moving on from Malibu, I moved to North Hollywood and got into the industry, so to speak. The day I adopted my dog, I'll never forget, it was February 18, 2017. And I take him out for his first walk. I bring them from West L.A. to my place in North Hollywood, and I'm like, this is great.

Like, I'm about to take this new dog out for his first walk. And we step outside my apartment complex. And I live near Burbank Airport. So there's always airplanes going by helicopters and stuff. It's just typical L.A. But I'm also one that always looks up if I hear some type of engine or something going. And I did. And this was, like, by far the most.

mind-blowing thing. And I was humbled to experience it, but also pretty ticked off because after spending the whole day at the dog town and riding around and, you know, shared rides and things like that, because I don't own a car in L.A. I just, like, go on the app and hail one. My phone was at 1%, so it wouldn't let me record anything. And the thing about my encounter, I know most people say, like, their encounter was completely silent. Mine was very, really, really loud. And it sounded like a jetliner, like an airbus going overhead. But this thing was super low. And I'm saying low because I could see details. But it also, it's weird because of my perception and never having seen something like this, it might not have been that low and

just been that big. But it looked like something out of Star Trek. And like round disc-shaped. except like two thick stacked discs. And I'm saying stacked with like stories of a building in between each. And so just like round saucers, top and bottom and in the middle, and then lights, square like window panes going all around the sides of it. And these things are lighting up and going off like a city,

like almost like how San Pedro looks across the water from a distance. Or like if you're flying in on a plane to a city and you see the lights twinkling, they were going on and off like that. It looked like a city up in the sky. Like, it was huge. So two-round, like double-decker. I don't know if it's a mothership. I mean, maybe something like that is just a miniscule compared to what actually a mothership is or something. but it was low enough to be heard, in my opinion. And on the back of it, I'll never forget, was a like break lights in the shape of a triangle in the center.

And so when I say a triangle, I mean round lights in line with each other to where they make the shape of a triangle. And white lights going around the triangle, and then it hues red and it goes around the triangle. White lights. And I'm thinking maybe this thing now, like looking back on it, maybe this thing was in distress, which is why it was like glowing a red triangle on the back. And it just goes slowly down the street. Like even the car is going by me.

We're going faster than this thing. I would say it was probably cruising from where I'm at, like 25 miles per hour. And I'm freaking out because one, my phone doesn't work. And the only time something like that has happened before I'm like, huh, of course this would happen was another paranormal. experience I don't think has to do with UFOs, but more so like conspiracy stuff, um, where like everyone's phone just doesn't work or everyone's battery dies. And you can't capture the moment. Like I've been in instances like that and this felt exactly like that. Um, and that was pretty, that was pretty, uh, hardcore for me. And I saw a helicopter

when it was probably, let's say, 20 blocks down in Burbank, because at this point, I'm closer to, I was right on the line of this neighbor, like, not neighborhood, but community, Toluca Lake, Burbank, and Studio City. Like, that's where my apartment complex was. So this was in Burbank, closer to the airport, and I saw a helicopter kind of come and escort it. And then it turned out over the hills, like passed over Pasadena. And once it goes over that, like, it was out of sight.

So, and I know. I'm sorry. You saw a helicopter escorting it? I saw a helicopter go up to it. And I expected that, yeah, because that blue light in San Pedro, on that video, you'll see a jet go up to that thing. And I don't want to mention the guy's name that talks about, like, raising consciousness to, because I don't know if I can do that, to contact UFOs. But he's got documentaries and things like that where they'll show. jets and fighter pilots coming in to get these UFOs out of there.

So there's some, in my opinion, some type of defense system set up that is really one old and dated wouldn't work if we needed it. And I don't think these things are menacing by any sense of the word because I actually, those neighbors in Malibu, I met them, the owner of the house at the restaurant. I worked at. Everyone came to that restaurant. And he was a really nice guy, but him, his family, all blonde, blue eyes. I don't know.

And Unanaki, I don't know. It was, yeah. So that's from, I think that my UFO wise, like, that's what I've seen with my eyes. And I've had, had friends, like, when I'm just around the corner, say they experience something. but that's yeah well i mean dude so you went through a lot there and i got to ask you first of all uh those neighbors the way you described them especially with the hoods going in and out and stuff do you ever see the movie the burbs back in the like the 80s or 90s with tom no i've heard of it oh the burbs not the burbs the burbs the burbs yeah yeah honey have you seen your

father i think he's in the basement with art it's playing canaster or something honey You were going to win the lottery and blew $500. Oh, I can't believe you're still bringing that up. I had a dream. A plane was going to crash, so he took the bus to Las Vegas. If I'd have been on the plane, it would have crashed. And it doesn't matter. This wasn't a dream. This was a vision. I'm telling you, these people are Satanists.

As I sit here, they are Satanists. Look, look, the world is full of these kind of things. Look at this. Black masses. Mutilations? Mutilations. The incubus, the succubus? I'm telling you, Walter was a human sacrifice. I should have gone to the lake.

I should have listened to Carol. Listen to your wife. Who listens to their wife? Listen, you've got to listen to me. You know what the deal is? What we've got to do is we've got to go down to the religious supply store. We've got to get ourselves a couple of gallons of holy water. My cousin Jerry's a priest, he can get us a deal.

No, no, we got to go to the market. We've got to get ourselves a couple of those big strings. You know, they string that garlic? A couple big strings of garlic. We've got to get ourselves some fresh lamb's blood. And then we got to... Ray, do you want them to take your family, kidnap and tear their livers out and make some kind of satanic paté?

Ray, you're chanting. Ray, Ray, look. Ray, unconscious chanting. You're chanting. I want to kill everyone. Satan is good. Satan is our pal. Ray, Ray, you're chanting.

Hey, once they get in here, it's over, pal. Satan's, huh? Ritual killers. Nice. Very, very nice. So let me get this straight. The Clopex are offering up Walter as a sort of human sacrifice to Bealzabove. Is that it? That's one of the theories, yeah.

Great. So, this is your relaxing week at home, huh? I wouldn't have missed this for the world. This week in Jonestown. Where you're going? The bathroom. Relax. Dude, I'm telling you, that's exactly what I started thinking.

I started thinking, I was like, sounds like the freaking burbs and he's kind of hangs. Dude, whatever you do, don't go in their basement, okay? All right, all right. I got you. But yeah, no, that's fascinating. Before we go on anything else, the bloody footprint, that's kind of, I don't know, freaky. I've had several people, I think at least two or three people on my show describing similar things where it wasn't bloody bloody footprints but I had I remember I had a guy on the show and I can't

remember which episode it was. I want to say it was the one with the federal officer, but he somebody had described a footprint on their driveway and they sent me pictures of these footprints. They, they were, the stride length was very, very long. And it had three toe prints and a heel that it was showing. And just just a three toe prints and heel was about the size. of his, I think it was a 10 and a half, 11 foot boot print. And so it was very sizable. And but the stride length was probably about five and a half, six feet. And so it was just very awkward. And you saw it walking through the driveway. It was several footprints. And what was unique about that is, if I remember correctly, it was like the footprints were wet, but the footprints didn't go away.

They were there for a while. It was on a drive, it was on a driveway, dry driveway. And it they were just there. They faded, but they weren't, they weren't going anywhere. And it's just, it's very, it's similar in the sense of what you described. But it's, I find it interesting. I find it interesting that, that, that, that, that experience. Do you relate that back to the burbs? As far as the footprint? Yeah, the footprint. I mean, the burbs as in the crazy Anunaki, blondies. Yeah. I mean, that was just on the way to their house. Now, that was, probably a good mile and a half away from their driveway and like curvy roads and things like that. If there was any type of like shape shifting or anything. But my thing is that whole

neighborhood is full of the ultra rich. And if anybody's going to be ultra rich on this planet, it'll probably be people that have the ability, people or beings that have the ability to, you know, cover their identity and leave this planet. So I don't even, I don't even think it was that, you know, Anunnaki, blonde, blue-eyed family, I think it could just be something else that happens to live in that neighborhood. Because that's just, it just seems like that's the kind of party that's going on over there. Oh my gosh. I got to stop by this neighborhood someday. Oh, man, the curiosity. We got boring old towns around here on the East Coast. you guys got some interesting stuff out there on the West Coast.

Dude. So let's rewind here back to the very beginning. So the way you described, I believe, is summoning UFOs. Am I correct in saying that? Yeah, and I hate to say summoning because I know it sounds demonic. No, I mean, we all have our own opinions as to what this stuff is. But the reason why I bring that up is because it also reminded me of another show, I believe was episode 60.

I was talking with Jason and his whole thing was that he learned from somebody. I think it might have been an organization or something, but he went out with these people to meditate and learn how to summon UFOs and he learned how to do it. And he lives in New York City. Okay. And it's a very similar thing as to what you described to me. So I don't know if you guys learned from the same person or something like that, but it's interesting. What prompted you to go down that path. Honestly, I don't know how I stumbled upon it. I mean, I'm the type of guy that if a friend showed me a YouTube video, I would, how do you say, vehemently refuse to watch some trendy YouTube video with a whole bunch of people and then recite it. But what I will do is go home in

my room and go on YouTube and look up top 10 ghost videos and paranormal. And when I saw these UFOs, I started looking up UFOs. And I will say with that UFO in North Hollywood, when it left, I had a complete sense of relief because before that, I had been getting terrorized. And I couldn't pin it to a stalker because I didn't see anyone. But it would be things from like my phone missing in the morning. and then I'd go home from at lunch and it wasn't there. And then I come home at 5.36 and my phone is on my nightstand. And then it has all these screenshots on it of someone I think is extraterrestrial,

ultra-rich person I came to know and probably ticked off or something. That's the only conclusion I could draw because once I got the dog for protection, that thing, when we walked out of our house for the first time, it looked like it almost, it came from right above my house and left and this huge sense of relief. So going back to like conscious and connecting with them, I must have stumbled upon this guy just going on YouTube. And what he was talking about was really legit,

but not popularized. And that makes me want to dive in more. So then I'm looking more into what he's saying, more into his methods. And he too shows groups of people going out around here, Joshua Tree, from what I've heard, is a very, from his documentaries, a very active UFO spot.

But they go there and they have on camera. They are all consciously, you know, meditating or connecting. And what he explained, And what I believe is that our consciousness as humans is our most powerful tool. And it's the one thing that you can go into the conspiracy about fluoride in the water and that hardening the penial gland. And the penio gland being responsible for creativity and, you know, that drive that will make someone willing to protest and fight or stand up for what's right and things like that rather than being docile and complacent and not creative. And we live in a culture where artists have to struggle. which is crazy because artists in the Renaissance period

or some of the most decorated citizens that walked around the streets, they were commissioned to do great works by the royals. So now artistry is not, and this is all to me as an artist and then also as someone that does the grind, nine to five thing. It just all kind of fits in the place after what I experienced.

So when this thing left over my house in North Hollywood, this huge sense of relief left. And I don't think it's something we really have to concentrate too hard on. I think it's innate. I mean, I'm a big dog lover, and I research like, why do dogs have whiskers? And they pick up on magnetic fields so they can sense danger. I know that I have that, too. I don't know if everyone else has it, but people that say, oh, I woke up and I feel like there was a ghost in my room and things like that. That's a magnetic field.

that's what your body is sensing. Like that's what's so awesome about being alive is that we have that. And maybe that's something that's lost on the other side. And so maybe that's why ghost wander. I don't know. I don't know if that answers your question. I know I went off on a little tangent there. No, it's fine, man.

It's absolutely fine. It's just, I just find this whole thing interesting because, I mean, I'm the kind of person. I'm not, you're not going to catch me trying to summon UFOs. I'm just not going to do it. But, you know,

you're the second person that I've, personally talked to that has actively tried doing that and found success. Now, the red light blinking that you first shared about, was that the very first time you tried this? That was. That was the very first time. And I, yeah. I mean, with that then, do you think that there's any kind of way that because you were focused on trying to summon a UFO that you might have mistaken a red light blinking for a UFO that might have been a plane? Like, what made you so sure that this was something out of the ordinary that wasn't a plane. Was it just that was, was it stationary?

Was it not moving away or towards you or what? Sure. So where I was at Malibu, we can see meteor showers at certain times of the year. I know what those look like. There's also major airports. And you can also, it's beautiful to see the planes line up so that they can land and see planes take off. This wasn't a plane. And it looked like a star. And the blinking was too delayed to be a terrestrial made aircraft.

And the stationary position, I mean, I was out there before sunrise. And as the sun starts rising, this thing slowly starts going not closer, not over the hills, but up and over. So if you're looking at a clock, like 12 o'clock, I'm looking at it. It was going like up past 10 o'clock at that angle. And then it just goes out and goes away. Now, I was willing to say, yeah, that could have been a plane, could have been something else. But when the blue light showed up and then it's on YouTube and a lot of people in the area witnessed this, the same within 24 hours, not even.

That was pretty much the nail in the coffin. so to speak for that, you know, belief or perception of that. So getting to this double-decker UFO that you saw. Now, dude, it sounds like something out of freaking Star Trek or something. That's what it sounds like, you know? You're out there in Hollywood and stuff. I mean, who knows, right? Maybe they were playing games with you, but I don't think they were.

What you saw was so unique. Now, and this was in daylight, right? This was shortly like dusk, let's say. because it was like turning tonight. So when you saw this, I mean, and you said it was in L.A., right? Correct, yeah. All right. So, I mean, were you the only one that saw this?

Did anybody else notice this? Did you notice anybody else seeing this? So I had to, my phone was at 1% when I saw it. So the phone died while I was out walking the dog. So I had to like come home, let it charge after walking the dog. And I looked up like UFOs over North Hollywood. And once you type in UFO, like the search engines aren't made to do that. And this is the whole conspiracy thing for me, but it's almost like, to me, like these things are filtered out.

So that even if you do see something in your area, in your neighborhood, you can't just go on Google and type in UFO in my neighborhood because it's just going to get pushed out or whatever and not popularized and not put at the top of the list. So no, unfortunately, and as insane as it sounds, it was so real. And the sound of it, the fact that it wasn't just one or two seconds, I saw this thing go down the street. And I mean, when I walked my dog, we went to one of my restaurants around there, my favorite restaurants. And I was telling these guys in Spanish, like, extraterrestrial, like, I saw something out there. But I have not encountered anyone. Now, I haven't posted this or anything or asked around other than going on the search engine on the internet. And I really didn't want to because that huge sense of relief had left me.

So, or I guess I got that huge sense of relief. So I was like, okay, like this chapter in my life is over. Like, and I moved on and me and my dog have been living a pretty non-XET life, so to speak. Wow. All right. So you summoned a UFO, the red light appears, and that started this whole roller coaster for you. Did you ever try summoning anything since then? Or was this just like the open door for you? And then after this event, everything closed and that was it. I'm still open to it because I know it's, it's, it's, it's meditative. It's like my consciousness. Have I tried it again? know where I'm at now. I'm in a very rural town with my family. And if anything skeptical like that was going to happen, it could happen here. And I kind of didn't mind doing it in a more populated area. But when it's less populated, I'm like, I'm sleeping by a window. I don't want something

to come snatch me out. So, but I'm definitely open to it. And once I get more established and stable in my career and stuff like that, it would definitely be something that is going to be a lifetime venture, because I would hope to be involved with it before there's any, like, disclosure. And then I don't want to be like, aha, but more so well prepared and not so shocked in a panic and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean, if you're out there in the rural area and stuff and you start doing it out there, all of a sudden your property turns into Stardust Ranch with John Edmonds and he had an alien portals coming through and all of a sudden you're like, crap, you know? Yeah, it's not a good thing, man, not a good thing. But yeah, that's interesting stuff, man. And before we get

on to the paranormal stuff, and I know you referenced that that happened, at least started more earlier in your life, and we'll get into that. I wanted to ask you about the stalker that you felt you had going on, that you, like you were finding screenshots on your phone. So somebody physically had to do that. And I think you referenced that you had an idea of who it was. Because you go into that a little bit more. Like, I mean, can you tell us who you think it was or, you know, anything? Because I'm super curious. Sure, sure.

And I can understand that. I'm opening that door for curiosity in that regard. So I won't say any specific names, but I'll be general, but at the same time give you a good idea. So there's a few people I might have. ticked off in my day or two going through college. And living in Malibu, you know, you're going to encounter people like, I'm not rich. I've never been well off, but I have lived a life and done things where it got me to a place to rub shoulders with people like that.

The person I'm thinking of, first and foremost, she was definitely into a lot of rock music. like, I don't know, metal and grunge. And she could afford to go to these shows. And I'm pretty sure at one time or another confessed to being a Satanist. And she wasn't the first person, one that I had lived with, that was okay with the pentagram, hanging up in their house and stuff like that, and listened to heavy metal, rock and roll music. I mean, throughout my years in college,

I pretty much got like a crash course in rock music because I show up, I don't know anything about it, but my friends that I ended up living with, not just her, these guys I lived with before, were the same way. And they're like, oh, you don't know this band. Like, oh, you never listen to Pink Floyd backwards. So next thing you know, the lights are off

and we got a record player and they're actually putting on the album. And I blacked out. Really? Yeah, yeah, that was pretty freaky. And I'm not saying I'm some, I know I'm, you know, I believe in Jesus. I'm a Christian, but I know I've also made some really poor decisions with hanging out and playing around with these people. So working in the industry, I also.

pissed off a superior there, we'll say that, working in television film. And so I don't know whether it's that guy. I don't know if it's this chick I used to live with because when my dad died in 2015, it was less than two weeks later. This place I lived in for almost three years at that point, she went from saying, hey, I know you're working at this restaurant. still while you look for a job. But you got to move out.

You got to go. And just like two weeks after my dad died. And so our mutual friends, you know, I would throw it around. I'm like, dude, I'm going to freaking sue this chick. Like, she's not even a U.S. citizen. She's not. And so if she gets a subpoena, like they're going to automatically have to pay because there's no one here to serve and they own this property.

So maybe she got wind of that and that pissed her off. Maybe this guy I worked with and complained about, I couldn't tell. And so I was getting terrorized. And it's, I almost got to the point where I'm like, maybe they're all part of some secret society of the ultra rich. And when you took off one, you know, word gets around and they just decide to pick on you or something. I mean, there's this movie with Michael Douglas. called The Game, where Sean Penn, like, his brother is like, oh, there's this crazy game. And it's like this whole secret society and everything is just a facade. Like, he's at the hospital and all

the lights go out and things like that. It felt like that. But at the same time, so let's say I was walking home from the store. Something I would buy at the store all the time, little packages of it would be along the sidewalk. And I'm thinking, did I, and this is in like North Hollywood, super busy. And I'm like, did I drop that yesterday? I'm like, wait a minute. I know I didn't drop that. Because one, I'm not going to get a ticket for littering, not that anybody gets out in North Hollywood, but I'm just, you know, I consider myself a steward of this earth. Like, I don't do that. But for this to be like on my street, literally going up to my door, like someone's trying to tell me something. And we had, I went out for a smoke at like midnight one night,

and my garage door to the apartment complex just opens. And this is the entrance. So if a car were to open this, someone living there, and this wasn't a big community, they would have been turning in from this main street. There was no car turning in or coming out. And so I was like, all right. And I actually told my roommate, and I was like, hey, yeah, the garage door just opened. And literally, I didn't have to finish that sentence before she was out the door to a friend's house. She's like, I'm not staying here tonight.

Because she had felt this, and she made it pretty obvious, she felt a really bad. energy going on with me during that time. She was always burning sage. And I don't want to jump too much into her story, but there's some like ghost stuff with her in that apartment. And even beyond the ghost stuff, you know, I'd be hanging out with my dog and I'd hear knock at the door. And my neighbor from downstairs is like, who's stopping?

Who is going back and forth stopping? And I'm like, we're sitting on the couch watching TV. We're the only one's home. No one's here. And she's like, you guys are right above me. mean, someone's walking back and forth, back and forth. And I'm just getting in my rent checks. I put my rent checks.

I paid them to my landlord in the black lockbox during this time. It was like February 2017. It was when everything culminated. And my landlord is like, yeah, your rent checks are missing. I'm like, what are you talking about? Where everyone else puts the rent checks, like you guys pick them up. I can go to the bank and show you that they're printed out. And they're like, no, like, we can't find them.

And I mean, this one on for like two months, they were saying they couldn't find these checks. And so just so much stuff and social media, like we're connecting on Facebook right now, I haven't been on Facebook for almost, it'll be two years in 2019 because I was getting stocked on there. And it would be different profiles and different apps I was on, but the same voice. the same voice, super friendly at first, but then very too friendly. Like, okay, well, let's hang out or come meet me here. Like, dude, I've just been talking to you for like two minutes.

Like, what are you talking about? And people at my job would say things that only I would know from stuff on my phone. And I'm like, maybe I'm being too sensitive. Like they might say it in passing or just jokingly. And so, I mean, I'm going to be real. Like, I'm a guy. I got a lot of personal stuff on my phone and on my computer. So if somebody is going to say something that's like spot on with something I was looking on on the internet last night, it's weird.

Like, it's like, what are the odds? No, there's not odds. Like, this is all even. Like, it's very plain and simple. like someone is messing with you. So it's really hard to explain and it makes me probably sound like a fanatic or something like that. But, you know, I experienced it and my life is what it is. And I mean, it's been a really, that was tough. In the 2016, 2017, probably one of the most trying times in my life, especially as a young adult. So needless to say, I don't work in the industry

you anymore. I don't keep up with a lot of friends from Malibu. And I just keep a close circle and me and my dog. Yeah. So this whole thing kind of drove you away from that. I mean, so, wow, it definitely to me, it does sound like you had somebody or some people messing with you. And that's kind of, that's kind of creepy to think about. You know, I, especially with me, I hear, I hear, I hear, a lot of different people's experiences and you hear people's theories about the movie industry, Hollywood, and, you know, the underlying current of Satanism that goes on there. Right. You mentioned about, I think you said it was a roommate or something being Satanist and the

music and all that stuff. And, you know, because you mentioned also about, you know, am I being too sensitive? And I often question myself on those kind of things, too. I listen to things and I catch things that I never caught before. And I don't know if it's because I'm more open to hearing things now because this is what I do. So I catch things I wouldn't have caught before. For instance, I don't know. Do you follow hip hop at all?

Because you hear things about how, you know, J.Z., Beyonce, Satan is. Beyonce's drummer just recently was in the news saying she's trying to sue her for performance. forming some kind of witchcraft. Witchcraft on her. And to me, it doesn't surprise me because I know who her husband is. Look at his clothing line, rock-aware, and the things that he puts on it, he openly admits that he's a Satanist. And so if you're married to a Satanist, what do you think she is?

You know what I mean? So, I mean, let's just be honest here. I mean, it is what it is. You know, when I was talking about my phone powering out, when I was in New York City, actually, I'm a singer-songwriter. I was working on music at this place, the Manhattan Center. And there's two ballrooms in there. And the one on the top floor, they do a lot of smaller concerts there.

And so there was this MasterCard concert with Dustin Timberlake. And our studio was above that. And they, you know, they started MTV in this building. and you have to go up to the eighth floor and then we're on the ninth floor. So we could actually sit where they actually used to have cameras looking down into this ballroom, which this ballroom is actually a Masonic Temple and watch like wrestling and all these shows they were filming. But actually, that's a lot. The Justin Timberlake concert was in the downstairs ballroom,

and we went on the fire escape and came in from the top. because we had access to the fire escape from where we were at, and security knew we worked in the building. So we could pretty much do whatever we wanted, which was super cool. But we were all at the JT concert, and there's only 1,000 people in the audience, and we are up in the balcony, like the top top balcony, because, one, we didn't pay, and we work there. So we weren't really supposed to be there, but we could be there.

And there's four of us. all of our phones. We're charging them while he's performing all of them zero, like 1%, to where you can't use your phone and stuff to record it. And as much as I love his music and hip-hop and stuff like that, afterwards, even then while I was there, not just looking back on it, I felt like something had happened to me. Like this was a, like a ritual type thing. And I think, I think, think for me being sensitive and being spiritually inclined, I can pick up on stuff like that. And something definitely like, if you are a fanatic or something, and that's why they probably have so many fanatical fans because they put them under some spell or something like that. And I think mine, my spiritual block, you know, being baptized in the name of Jesus, and I was baptized in the Jordan River in Israel. So when I go all in.

Yeah, dude. Like, I'm not scared when things like this happen. And I know that, you know, like with being terrorized and things like that, I'm something, okay, like, I know that there's a calling on my life. And one, I know this because a woman came up to me when I was a kid. And I was in South Carolina traveling around to trade shows with my mom. My mom made little dolls. And so I'd help her set up her stand and stuff and deal with the money.

And this woman just, I look up, she's standing there, and she's a black chick. She's got like gold dreadlocks. And she's just like, look at me right in my eyes. She's like, hey, I'm a prophetess. And I want to tell you that one day you're going to lead a lot of people. And I was like 10, 11 years old. And I'm like, huh? And she's like, you one day are going to lead a lot of people.

And then she just started to walk away. And I look at my mom. And I look back and the lady's like gone. and I'd tell, well, no, she wasn't gone. I could see her head kind of bopping in the crowd, but she was just like not near me. And I said, mom, did you see that lady that just talked to me? I'm all like, what are you talking about?

She just told me I was going to lead a lot of people one day, which is really weird because I was class president all four years of high school. And I had never gone to public school before. I went to public school south of D.C., and I was, and that was like, my first experience with leadership. And then I go to college, and I actually end up getting a degree in leadership. And I won all these awards.

I met the governor, Tim Kane. I met him in 2007 because I won governor of Boyce State Virginia Conference, where you reenact government from the ground up. And I didn't even, I was just there to get it on my resume. They take the top five juniors in every state they do this, out of college every year, top five juniors from a high school, and they send them to a college. There's Boy State and Girl State, and you literally break up into a dorm. That's your town.

You elect chapel. You elect a mayor. And the whole big thing is you can elect for the whole conference, a governor, I guess a lieutenant governor or whatever, or attorney general. And my whole town, my dorm, I just see them walking towards me. And they're like, you're going to run for governor. I'm like, what? Like, I just, I'm just here, dude. Like, what are you talking about?

They're like, no, you're going to run. And I ran and I won. So I met Tim Kane because he comes there and he announces. Any governor of every state has to announce this thing. Like Bill Clinton, he won it for Colorado. And I don't know if this is some type of induction ceremony or something like that to get people involved in politics or whatever. But I learned a lot about how.

this supposed democracy works. And just maybe a few weeks after that, I'm in Chicago for a national speaking competition. And my mom was married to a Secret Service agent. So I don't think this was happenstance that she just so happened to be in the shopping department with Oprah, but I just happened to be across the street on the magnificent mile shopping with a friend of mine and my mom calls me she's like look Oprah's over here I told her you're going to come over like come meet her so I actually went and met Oprah in 2007 the crazy thing about this is almost seven years to the day and I'll never forget it because it was July 7th no it was July 21st 2014 so 721 14 those are all multiples of 7 131 3 2 I am catering me

in New York City while I'm working on music. I have my little odd jobs, delivery and catering. And I'm just standing in this room and this studio place and Oprah walks in. Almost seven years to the day, I met her seven years before that. I'm like, hey, do you actually remember me? She's like, shakes my hand on whatever. She's like, yeah, I do. So I don't know what type of call is on my life.

And when I got baptized in Israel, we were at where the woman with the issue of blood, that story. I think it's the town of Copernum when they were like, oh, okay, we got to go because someone wants to get baptized. But these tourist pools are actually closed. So we're going to go to a local spot.

So they took these two charter buses, pulled them off the road by the Jordan River in like this forested area and there's this old bridge there. And so they're like, so this place is a bridge where when Jerusalem was getting how you say seized,

the general fell off the bridge and he actually hit his head and died. And his name is Eric. So this is called Eric's Bridge. And they're like, who's getting baptized? And everyone was like, what? So I got baptized right there. So like God does not work in mysterious ways for me. It's very apparent.

I know there's a calling on my life. And I know that's why I have been getting attacked so much. And it's also an incentive to keep going. And if anybody's going to hear anything, if you're under some type of duress like that, and you just seem confused. The enemy is the author of confusion. So it's everything has like now this age come full circle, but when I was in it, I sometimes went along with it.

And I'm not going to lie. Like there was times I was like, you know what? I'm not going with God. Like when I was in New York City, I was like, I'm going to be an atheist. And literally there's some paranormal ghost stuff that happened in that building. And actually Eli Tesla died in the hotel that. shares a wall with that building. There's secret passages in there where you can be in the New York or hotel or in the Manhattan Center. Like, I've seen some crazy stuff, Tony.

Dude, dude, you are a freaking loaded chamber and a half, man. You came hunting for bear today. That's fantastic, dude. Wow. So I don't even know where to go right now. Let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this. Let's get on to some of the paranormal things and we'll see where the rest of this interview takes us. But I want to just say before we move on to the paranormal things, I think a lot of people in life have synchronicities that happen in their life. It's just are they tuned in to hear it and to see it? And it sounds like you are very tuned in to seeing those synchronities. I am as well. I do see a lot of parallels. And I'm like, I can't go into details, but right now

that I'm at a very pivotal point in my life. The next two weeks of my life are going to decide a lot. But leading up to those two weeks, looking back, or these two weeks, looking back, everything in my entire life seems to be leading up to this one moment. And I can pick things out where it's like, if that didn't happen, this couldn't happen. If this happened, this happened. If this happened, I wouldn't be here. And it's just like, it's unbelievable what's going on. I'm filled with a lot of anxiety right now because of it. But at the same time, when I step back from the anxiety, I got to say, you know, there's a reason why this is happening right now.

Right. Everything that happened before has led up to this moment. And I really feel like this is where God is leading me in life. And I just got to trust that things are going to come through. And if not, it's not a big deal. Misread the situation. but right now I just feel like I can relate to what you said a lot there. But that said, thank you. Absolutely, man. Let's get into some of the paranormal experiences that you had.

I'm not going to put it out there as fact, but I would venture to say you probably have a lot to say. So let's let's see where we can go with this. Just kick us off, man, because you said that. happened before the UFO stuff. So where are we going with this? Okay. Well, we can start in Georgia because I've listened to your show. So I kind of picked up and you actually reminded me, your show reminded me of things that I have experienced. So I grew up in Georgia as a kid, let's say three years old to 11 years old. So one of the major things that happened when I was writing my big will, we moved around a few townhouse subdivisions and apartment complexes. One of the first townhouse subdivisions, this is Georgia outside of Atlanta, kind of rural, the back of the townhouses ran along a wooded area that sloped down a hill.

So I'm riding my big will, probably what, five, six years old, and I'm racing my neighbor that lives two doors down. We say, okay, on your market set go. So we're going on the sidewalk that goes behind the townhouses along their backyard fences. and on the other side, to my right, is the wooded area. Well, as I round the corner, I'm about a house in, and in my memory, something I stopped. And it wasn't like my, it was my decision, but it wasn't my decision.

Like, I don't see anything in my memory, like, standing there, but I stopped as if there was something there. And from what I can remember, I'm lifted up off. the ground. And I don't feel hands on me. I don't feel humans' hands. And I couldn't even tell you to this day, like, what this person, this man looked like, but that's what I ended up telling the cops, because that's how serious this incident was. I am lifted up in the air about five feet, and I'm peddling on my big wheel, just pedaling, like, to where it sets me down. I get sat down and I'm like Fred Flintstone like going in one place because I'm so scared and then I just

take off like and the one thing that I knew to this day that makes it not just my experience but someone else's is that my friend I was racing was at the end of that sidewalk and he looked back to see where I was and the look on his face was total horror and once he saw I was on the ground and I was moving he's moving and I mean we didn't ride our big wills up to our door. I mean, we left them in the yard once we got back in front of our houses. He ran in his house. I ran in my house. And I'm like, Mom, someone just picked me up. And I remember, my memory blacks out right there. And I come to and I'm talking to a police officer. And she's asking me, well, what does this, what does this person look like? And I know that I made something up.

I know that I made something up because I don't know what he looks like. And this might be a lot of the earlier shows I was listening to talk about regressive therapy. That's definitely something I want to do like a hypnosis and see if I can regress this memory and figure out what happened that day. Because that was, that is the most paranormal thing that happened to me at that age. And moving forward, my mom had a babysitter. She was a single mother on the other side of town. This really dilapidated house, but she had a whole.

whole bunch of cool stuff. She had two kids. And she was a Christian, but she was also super mystic. Like, she loved Halloween. Her name was Dorothy. So she would sew, she was a seamstress. She would sew our Halloween costumes. And I spent a lot of time over there. And she would make hers like Dorothy from Wizard of Oz or whatever I wanted. And always had a lot of dogs, but she also had this big trunk. And she had like the red jacket from Michael Jackson's thriller. and she also had a Ouija board. And so I remember when I was listening to your show, I had played with a Ouija board when I was a kid.

And it was weird because they were Christian, and we didn't play with it for too long, but I remember the thing moving on its own and stuff like that, and I couldn't even remember to tell you what we asked it. But one of the more specific instances with someone, a neighbor of ours, another neighborhood kid, my family lives near each other. I was at my aunt's apartment complex

because she babysat me as well. Her neighbors, the daughter and the mom, they were driving in the middle of the neighborhood over a bridge that goes over a creek. This isn't some like, it's just asphalt, but it's a bridge where it's like a sewage water goes under. But that part in the middle of the complex

where there's no houses and there's a little playground to the left. They were telling us they were driving. driving over it and this man walked in front of their car and they hit him and they got out the car and nobody was under the car. No one was on top of the car. He was just gone. And as a kid, I always remember that. That stood out to me. And for me to remember all any memory, but that story stood out to me. And then we moved out of apartment complexes more so into the country. And I think that's when I started tapping into how sensitive I am to ghost. And I didn't really believe in ghosts at the time.

I just thought I was scared of the dark. But in my mom's single family home, you know, you can go out on the back porch in the middle of the night. And my older cousin, he would just take a flashlight and we would just see all these eyes of possums looking back at us. And now I'm thinking, I don't know if those were all possums. because I used to see this woman with crazy hair, and I used to call her Queen of the Possons, because all I knew was Possums were out there standing at my back door to had glass paint on it,

and I would turn off the lights in the kitchen and just jet back to the back of the house where the bedrooms were. But that type of feeling would carry on, and I did not know this until I started paying attention to everything that's been happening in the last two years, and how my heart races, my anxiety pumps up, And I'm thinking it's just me. It's like, no, dude, that's what people are talking about when they're saying.

I felt like someone else was in the room. So I went on a school trip in fifth grade. This kid, Andrew, he said he saw a ghost. And I remember being, like, freaked out by that. He said it was like a little kid in like a white t-shirt and khaki pants. And we were just all kind of sketched out. And out of all my childhood, like these are some of the most prominent memories. And I just don't count that as nothing.

So then I told you about the prophetess. So moving on to like middle school, my aunt, she's my mom's youngest sister. I was just talking to her the other day because I knew I was going to be speaking with you. And I said, hey, you remember that story where you picked up these two little boys and they're like disappeared out the back of your car? And she was like, oh, no, no, no, you're getting that confused. She was like, those little boys were real. their mom was looking for them. She's like, you're thinking about the story when I was 19 and I got off a bus.

And I was walking through this parking lot in, like, Alabama. It was either rural Alabama or rural Georgia. And this really good looking, you know, we're a family of color. Black man was a janitor, a custodian, cleaning up in the parking lot. And he stopped my aunt, she was telling me. And he says, he asked her something like, do you know who our great-grandmother is? Like, he said her name.

And she's like, yeah. And he's like, oh, because you look just like her. And she was like, oh, okay. He's like, yeah, she used to always wear a backpack because we're a military family. So my aunt had on one of the, I don't know how you call it, but the military backpacks while she was traveling. and she said she dropped something and she goes to pick it up and she looks up and the guy that was right in front of her was gone and uh that he had told her before she dropped something that they used to call my great grandmother a little bit and so she called my great grandmother who was alive at

the time and she said what they used to call you in Louisiana and my great grandmother was like oh a little bit why you ask that oh man yeah and she said why you asked that and my aunt told her well, I saw this really good looking dark man. He was a custodian. And she said, oh, that's your Uncle Tom Tom. And so I was like, okay, yeah, maybe that's the story I'm remembering. But what really got me and what really, like, I know was given to me as a gift was an experience. I had 2000, so September 11th, I happened, 2001.

So this was 2002, Halloween, 2002. to. I'm in this crummy apartment. My mom, her fiance, he's at work. It's just my mom in her bedroom. And I wake up at around 7.01 a.m. I remember. And I don't have to be to school until 7.30, 7.40. And we literally live across the street from this private school I'm going to. So I'm like snooze. Go back to sleep. I have a dream about like Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck. And then all of a sudden, like, mini dreams. I'm in this dream that is not. not a dream. Like it's real life. And I'm riding in the back of a car and my stepdad's driving, my mom's in the passenger seat, and my godbrothers, my mom's best friend's sons are sitting next to me and I'm in

the middle seat and we're all wearing white t-shirts. And I mean, I can feel the bumps in the road as the car is moving. And my stepdad looks out his window and he sees three crosses in the sky. And one of the crosses has a sash across it, a red sash. And he's like, wow, that's really nice someone did that. and I look up and I blink while looking at these floating crosses that look like they were cut out of mattresses. Like they're like these big puffy crosses, like balloons or something. Which, yeah. And so while I'm blinking, I feel myself ascending and blasting through the clouds. And I hear chains falling off of me.

And as I hear these chains falling off of me, pieces of me like a hard clay are falling off. And the more that that falls off, this shell of who I thought I was or whatever it was, the more the really inner being of me starts coming forth. And the higher I get, I end up rising and I have no worry. I have no fear. I have no, I'm not hungry. I don't have to use the bathroom. I'm not worried about my mom. I'm not worried about who I left behind.

And this place is really bright. And I know it's like kind of cloudy. and it's so bright I don't want to open my eyes. And I'm only there for probably a few, maybe 10 seconds. But while I'm standing there, someone with like shoulder-length hair steps in front of me and I can kind of see through the silhouette in my eye and they kind of shake their head or at least I feel that communication. And they're like, no.

Like, it's not your time or you're not ready yet. And I don't think, I have this, I have a memory of that. them kind of reaching their hand out like they pushed me back. And when I open my eyes, I'm looking at my ceiling and I fall like two inches. Like I'm floating above my bed. It felt like I just slammed back onto my bed as if like either my body was levitating or my soul like fell back into my body. And I look at the clock and it's 701 again. And the same noise that was outside on the busy street or whatever is going on.

And everything. And I know you deal with like lost time and stuff. like that. And that was my lost time experience. And I was shook. I was absolutely like I just got dressed. I didn't say a word and I just sat on my couch until my mom took me to school. And I was like stunned the whole day. But at the same time, after that, I knew one, heaven is for real. But I also like when I pray and stuff like that. And that's why I didn't meditate for a long time. Because I was like, God, please don't ever do that to me again. Because it wasn't being there that was scary. It was coming back so suddenly that really shook me up. There was, I think, well, before that,

my family, I moved in with my aunt before my mom moved to Virginia, and there was like 10 of us living in that townhouse. And a few of us were downstairs watching television, and the television just changed. And it was like all these people with just, you could see their heads, like, coming out the ground and there was this very devilish character and these people were in total agony like it was pretty much a depiction of hell and there's this guy that has a top hat on and a cane and he's like super skinny and scary looking like dancing around on these heads of people like moaning and groaning and it was so disturbing i remember like getting like having to back up from the tv and my other aunt my mom's first sister she just starts screaming

for her husband. She's like, Fred, Fred, come down here, come down here. Because no one wanted to get near the TV and he's a Marine. So he just goes up and slaps the power button. And we're all looking at each other, like, what the hell was that? Like, that was not some TV show or movie. I don't know if you know of any movie like that, that maybe, but it was almost like the guy on the screen was like interacting with us and laughing at us. It was really weird. Yeah, it was really disturbing. So moving on from that, once my mom got on her feet here in Virginia, and we were out of that apartment, we moved into another townhouse. And, you know, I got established at that middle school. I used to live across the street from.

Now we're on the other side of town. And I was dealing with some stuff with a good friend of mine. And I remember, but my mom had to retell it to me, but I also remembered after she told me, I had called her into my. room in a nightmare kind of panic state and she's like what what what and I'm like there's a yellow snake on my door and when I thought about it I was dreaming that there was this yellow boa constrictor on my door like on the knob like covering it up and she's like there's nothing on your door and I'm like there's a yellow snake on my door literally two weeks later my best friend totally betrays me start spreading scandalous rumors about me and I fall into a massive massive

depression for the rest of the year. And my heart really goes out to anyone, especially like young kids in middle school. Like I hear about kids committing suicide and stuff. And like, I was there, man. Like, I get it. But it's just like, you got to hold on. And it's really a gift to have like that heavenly dream because I knew there was something more.

And even to this day, it's like there's more of this life than what I'm seeing. So I know it's like a gift. But moving on to high school, me and my friends, so we get out the townhouse, we have a single family home, lake community in Virginia. And by senior year, you know, we take our parents' boats out on the lake and drink beer or whatever. And we're all out on the lake, like probably 10 of us on like a, I guess, how you say, a pontoon boat. And this one boat, it's like just a regular old fishing boat. is just cruising across the lake and comes up by us and kind of turns away and there's nobody on it. And my friends are like, oh, they're like, oh, ghost boat.

I'm like, what are you talking about? They're like, yeah, a ghost boat. And this boat just goes off into the mist. And I will never forget that. Then me and my friends would get into some trouble in Virginia. I think we were around like the Lorton area because there's an old prison by Lorton. We're walking through the woods. And there were these, this fence made out of just like sticks from trees that had fallen.

But all these like mutilated animals were at stake at the top. And then we walked along that and there was an opening and there was like a camp. And there was a pentagram. And I guess that was my first person face-to-face encounter with Satanus. Because when we were walking out, these two guys come up to us and they're like, you guys shouldn't be here. They're like, seriously like, you need to get out of here. Like don't come back. And we knew, like, they were being nice to us because had it been somebody else, like, they would have gotten physical.

And then going on to college, there was an apartment at across the street from my college that I had lived in or hung out in for several years because, like, I smoked weed, did drugs. And when I was a freshman, I was hung out with older kids. I would hang out with the seniors, but I'd hang up with, like, the bad kids. and apartment 108 was where the main like drug dealer, weed dealer lived, him and his friends. And so I would party there or whatever. But then lo and behold, like those friends I mentioned that we're super into rock music, the two guys, like some good friends. Like I could hit them up today. Like we could chat it up, but we just don't keep up with each other.

that I don't know if one doubted in Satanism or whatever, but they, well, one was like super rich. His parents were lawyers and he was like raised by like black maids. So he got along with me real well and he would tell me this verse. I don't think it might be in proverbs or something. He was like, know ye that we are gods. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's like, the Bible says it. He's like, dude, we're gods.

and I'm like, I don't know, dude. And the other guy was like super into music and not, he wasn't like reppping the pentagram and stuff too much, but we would hang out in that apartment. It was really weird because I hung out in that apartment when I was a freshman and then I ended up living there. And the front door would always open and close by itself just randomly. And it's like a condominium community,

not really close to the beach. I'd say probably a quarter mile in from the water. and there was like a grocery store, like a big chain grocery store in between us, and then houses that are actually on the beach behind that. And the door would open, so I'd blame it on the wind or whatever, but sometimes when I was home, and even when someone else was home, you would hear someone walking around upstairs. And we would blame it on the neighbors or whatever.

But we knew the next door neighbors were one set of them. There were a couple married, but they were hermits, and they were very elusive. And they were just like kind of living off their. money in Malibu and the rumor was that their daughter died of a cocaine overdose. So we had gotten into cocaine like pretty bad and like every like those these guys were dating girls like they lived two doors down from us and so we would just all hang it was like friends except real life version. And we would all hang out and one day one of the guys got

a dog and he needed me to stay home and watch it. And I was seldom because it was such a party house, we were seldom there alone, anyone. But that night I ended up being there alone. And there's two televisions actually in each corner of the living room because sometimes we'd have like football game parties or whatever, whatever. And so there's a didger ado. Do you know what that instrument is? No.

I thought you stuttered. A diggeridu is a big wooden pipe. It's like a big wooden flute by the aboriginals in Australia. And they would use it for rituals and things like that. And it stood taller than me. So it had to be at least like six feet, two inches. And it always stood in this corner by the TV on the right. And for some reason that night, I was watching this little dog.

It's like a little pug or something. His name was Huckleberry Gumbo. And I just felt really uneasy. I felt super uneasy. And my heart's racing. And I'm like, I live here. Like, why do I feel so uncomfortable? And it's the first time I'm there alone, but something wasn't right.

And about after 30 minutes of like trying to focus on the TV, but not really, like my eyes are wandering. This thing that stood in the corner of this room for the whole year I'd live there just slams down. just pop. And I mean, not just slams down and falls, like maybe a mouse ran through and knocked it off of its little standing thing. Like, it falls down and it's pointed right at me. And so at first, for a second, I was a little shocked. But then I, like, when things like this happen, I'm just like, nah, like, we're going in. So I get up, I go put the thing up right. And I'm like, what? Like, whatever you are, like, you got to go, like, get out of here. And the dog, this little dog is barking, barking, barking at something right above my head.

And I try to, he's in the middle of the living room. I'm like, come here, come here, come over here. Show me what you're looking at. And I can just see him looking above my head. And he's just gap, gap, gap, gap, yap, yaping. And that was probably the first, like, I mean, violent or physical thing. I've seen, like, kind of break the plane between, like, ghostly apparition and, like, our world. Other than that, and then I went to Italy, and that was crazy because our classroom, the whole campus is an old hotel.

And it's on this road called Viala Milton, like Milton Street, named after John C. Milton, who wrote Paradise Lost. And every class leaves a trademark gift. So to go down to the classrooms, you have to go to the basement of this old hotel, motel in the middle of Florence, Italy, building. And then the classrooms are down there. And they had painted on the stairs on the little roof that hung low, the layers of hell, the levels of hell from Dante's Inferno. Because they were like making a joke out of like the classes that you have to take in college and how you're doomed. because our Italian program was the hardest program you could go to. It wasn't like a party program.

So they were like, good luck, bro. Like, you're going to class right now. But the classroom downstairs, the big main one where everyone could fit, it's called the Janet Leek classroom. And the story about Janet Leak is that she was one of the first American students to arrive in Florence, Italy, for a study abroad program. Now, she got off the plane. her baggage showed up at the campus.

Not that one in particular, but wherever they were at. She never showed up, just missing. Nobody ever found. So her parents donated a lot of money to my school and the school named our main classroom after her. Two weeks later, I'm coming home, probably three weeks later because I had like, we've gone through orientation and stuff like that, and then they gave us ability to, like, go out at night

and experience Italian nightlife or whatever. So I come home on my own and I'm changing in my room, which is on the second story of this building and faces the front street. Now, two-way traffic, you could say it's like a four-lane highway, except rather than just a medium in the middle, it's a park. And this park is below ground level. So from my two-story window, I can see down to this park. There's like a sewage runoff or a little river that runs down there. and in order to get down there, you have to take the stairs

that are at the end of each block by the bridges that would go over. There's a woman. I'm about to change my clothes, and there's this chick, like just standing there, right in front of our building, down there at the park,

looking, it looked like she was looking back at me or just at the building, but I couldn't see her face. And I know it's a girl because I can see her hair, I can see her leather jacket, and I can see she's holding a purse,

her jeans, and her jeans are kind of, to flare it out. And I wake up my roommate and I'm like, dude, you got to see this. And I was like, do you see that chick down there? And he's like, yeah. So we don't want to wake up everyone because it's late at night and I don't want to start screaming or whatever. So we're like waving our hands. You're like trying to get her to do something. She doesn't move. So he's like, dude, I'm going back to sleep after a minute or two. He goes back to sleep. I take off my shorts, change my into my pajamas. And I look out there and not a soul. I mean, she's gone.

And the thing about it is, even if she ran full speed, I can see down the block both ways. Actually, I could see like two blocks down from the view of my window. And she would have had to go down to the stairs and go up to get out of that little park area that's in between the roadway. And she was gone. And so I knew that was Janet Leak. And while we were in that building, one of my, I guess, one of the coeds, this chick, she was Skyping someone in the piano room, which was like a foyer from the side street. And it would go into the main office where we would be at the front street and go into the student center.

And it's a quiet room. And so she set her computer up on the piano and there's a little bench. So just about three feet walkway behind her and then a bench in the wall. It's a small room. And her friend that's Skyping her is like, who's that old lady that sat behind you? And she's like, what are you talking about? I'm the only one in here. And she's like, no, no, no.

There's an old lady sitting right behind. you. And so she comes in telling us this crying and stuff and that was a little weird. But I actually had to stay, well, actually, I was in the front street foyer and at the computer with my back to the main door. And there are these big mahogany doors. And there's actually a security camera right above the computer. So let's say someone knocks in the door that doesn't have the code. I can look up at the security camera and see who's out there. I hear three loud knocks. I look up at the camera. There's nobody there.

I'm like, all right, but I know I just heard these knocks on the door. I open up the door and there's not anyone on the street, not a car moving on either side of the park. No way moving traffic. And the air was like so cold and crisp. And it felt like it was almost not even the same year. And I didn't even walk out the building. I just looked out there. I looked down both ways, and I was like, nah, like, and just went back inside.

And I would later stay in that building on my own because I actually stayed for fall, spring, and summer semester. So in between summer semester and the spring, no one was there. And I would go on a moped into the city from the countryside where I was staying. And the house I was staying at in the countryside, I couldn't get any of my Italian friends to stay with me because I would later find out. out that the Vatican trained exorcist on that side of town. So, yeah, and I didn't want to stay in that house for some reason. Hmm, I wonder why. But I would hear people footsteps.

It sounded like typical kind of hotel traffic, but in the middle of the night, I would just hear footsteps walking through. And I couldn't even go back up to my old room. I was so scared. And there was really no reason for me to be that scared. And I would just sleep on a couch in the student center. And in the summer semester, those students came, and I came home one night. And they were like, dude, like an alarm went off because the side gate opened up and the alarm's ringing.

And the faculty, the teacher that was there that semester, she was on her own. Most of the time, people bring families and stuff like that. And so she was freaked out. And I guess everyone told me they all got drawn to the basement and split up. in the basement, you can go out to a courtyard and stuff like that. And I guess it was really weird because at the same time, everybody ran out of whatever room they were in, and they all met each other in the hallway.

And when they looked at the footage the next morning, the gate just opened on its own, which is why all these alarms, which had never happened, the whole two semesters that had been there already, just opened on its own. So after that, The only other story I have about Italy, my friend took me to his village and we went on a little wine tour.

And they were showing us where they make the wine. This is like a banquet room and this old wood floor. There's a scratch in the floor. And the tour guide was telling us, he's like, well, the story goes that there was a party here. I would think closer to maybe like the 1900s is what he was making it sound like, like not. like Renaissance or anything like more recent. There was a party there and everyone or this really a good looking guy showed up and he convinced people to have an orgy. So they start having an orgy and then the guy ends up being the devil and rips all these people to hell and the scratch on that floor is like the last seal of where it got closed off. And this is like town folklore. Like this is like well known in this little. village outside of Florence, Italy. Like everyone that's like, yeah, that's the place. And then pretty much, I mean, Malibu, I lived up this canyon that I just actually recently

found out a cult used to go up there and sacrifice young boys. But when I was there, the place I was living was pretty secluded, pretty rural. And my TV sat in front of a window. It was a renovated garage, so we'd have to walk around the garage to get in the side door, and then across the room was the door to the house. I saw something walk behind the TV outside along the porch, which sat like on a cliff, so you can hear someone walking on the wood. And something told me, get up and lock the door, because one, I didn't know if the door was locked. And two, no car came up the driveway, and our driveway was super steep, super curvy. And so I get up to close the door and something starts pushing it open. And so I have to actually shoulder it and close it and lock it.

Right when I lock the door, the back door to the house swings open. So I'm talking to this guy that's lived there and he actually confesses, well, actually right where your bed is, my old roommate, he stole my dad's car, went to Skid Row, got some heroin and overdosed and died right there. Uh, And that makes sense because I actually took a selfie of myself in the mirror and there was someone standing behind me wearing like a screen print tea. And I was like, no way. Like I'm going to retake this photo. So I retook it. And the t-shirt says like you can't see their head, but you can see someone standing behind me.

And I actually deleted the photos because I didn't want to like carry that with me. Needless to say, I got out of there within a couple of months. I was just going to ask you, do you still have the photo? I knew you were. I knew you were. No, I had like a Motorola razor. I was not keeping that photo on there. Oh, yeah.

That's been fuzzy anyways. Yeah. Nobody remembers those phones. And they're like, what kind of detail is this? This is a crap photo. So, you know, all the things that you have experienced here on the paranormal side of things, you mentioned earlier about, I forget who it was, but somebody mentioned that, you know, we are all gods and stuff. And I think they were referencing Psalms 82. Yeah, Psalm 82 talks about that.

I think at least the first half of the chapter and a great reference tool for that to really kind of understand. Now, if you want to get tripped out, if you want to get tripped out on the Bible, if you're a Christian and you want to get tripped out on the Bible, then look at Dr. Michael Heiser and his book called, what's it called, the unseen realm, okay? He specifically talks about Psalm 82, because Psalm 82 in verse one, it says, God has taken his place in the divine counsel. And in the midst of God's, he holds judgment. And that very first verse, it's not, it's not talking about we as people are gods. He's talking about a separate class here. There's, there's a divine counsel, and in the midst of the gods, lowercase G, he holds judgment. And then he says,

how long will you, how long will you judge unjustly and show partly to the wicked? And he kind of goes into these things where he's talking to this divine counsel of these godlike, figures. And in the Hebrew, now I'm drawing blanks on what it actually says in the Hebrew. But definitely look into it because I think that's what the person was referencing. And like, it's not accurate as to what they were saying. But if you look into Psalm 82 with Dr. Heiser, your mind's

going to get blown. I'm telling you right now, your mind's going to get blown. And it's going to open up your brain to a whole new aspect of what this book is. It's absolutely amazing. That's great. So, yeah, Dr. Michael Heiser. You can actually, he teaches about it on YouTube and stuff. You can just look them up on YouTube, Dr. Michael Heiser. And just Google or YouTube, Dr. Michael Heiser, Unseen Realm. You'll get probably 48 hours worth of videos that too. Right on. But he's, he's fantastic because he actually is a real scholar, like a true scholar. He works at Logos, which is one of the biggest Bible software countries, companies in the world.

And he knows like unknown languages that like are forgotten languages. He's the guy that sits down with like the actual manuscripts and translates them. Like he's he's legit. Like he knows what it says, you know? And so it's really fantastic to listen to him talk. But anyways, as a Christian, you know, I'm curious. to hear your thoughts on how do you view the things that you've experienced that others have experienced around you? You know, there's a lot of people that get frustrated with Christians

that are like, it's all demons. What do you say? What do you think? There is no right or wrong answer. What do you think this stuff that's going on around you and other people is? Is it all the same thing, all from the same source, different sources, different things? What are your thoughts? Sure. Well, for one, I know I'm an old soul. I think I'm a Christian. I also believe in reincarnation. And maybe reincarnation in the fact that maybe I've lived this life before. So the people that are closed off or skeptical or just want to point to demonic things off the bat might be younger souls. But where I'm at, my soul, my soul, my soul. spirit, my nature, my essence can handle this this time around. And with that, maybe achieve whatever nirvana, because I think, in my opinion, that is what Jesus had and was the essence of, which is why you could access healing and miraculous things and, you know, break planes of whatever might be, I say, dimensional factors. But, you know,

know, it's a gift. I mean, any experience that is outside of these parameters, this book, it's not a book anymore for me. Like, I can tell it used to be, but for this essence, the soul, whatever I am, when this body dies, the story is not just, you know, the two slabs of you were born and you died. There's so much more going on. over that. And I think I heard it from someone there like life is like sticking your finger into a glass of water. And that's what your body is like. And when you die, you take it out. And your finger is just a part of you. So now, in our eyes in this world, we only have two. What if your eyes were actually all over your, you're just one eye. And you can see 360 and you can see, you know, they say colors

that you've never seen before and things like that. What if that's energy or, um, what, if we're already seeing that and just in one angle and things like that. So one, I don't close myself off. Nothing is case closed for me. And two, it makes life really exciting. It just makes life so much more exciting. If I don't have a reasoning to get out of bed, the unknown is certainly something that'll be a motivating factor.

So I hope that might answer a little bit of your question. Yeah. I mean, like I said, there was no right or wrong answer. It's all about how you view things and how you see things. But Eric, man, dude, I really appreciate you coming on sharing these stories. And if I ever get into that area where you saw the burbs and stuff, maybe you can meet up with me and we can kind of go, you know, knock on some doors and crawl around some places and find some, you know, dead bodies that were buried by Satanus or something. I'm trying to make it home, Tony. I don't know about that. Well, you know, hey, man, they made it home in the movie. So it's okay. Anyways, man, I really appreciate you coming on talking. I appreciate it. Yeah, thanks for having me.

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The audience is going to be like, what the hell is going on? All right. Let me try again. I'm keeping the chip sound effect. You know, the Sasquatch eating Doritos. It makes me laugh.

It's non-negotiable. So we walk into the bar. The noise of the chair will move. Here, I'll start off. What's it called? Let me start again. I'm just talking too much. I'm sorry.

We can... No, it's right. You want to start again? Just the bar scene. I think I kept on over talking on you. I mean, it doesn't really matter. You can edit it out, but it might help with the flow if I actually do it right. Yo, why are you telling me this in the third person?

First person. That's what I meant. Because it works better if I tell the story in first person. Yo, why are you... Yo, why are you... Yo, why are you telling me this in the first person? Because the story works better if I tell them first person. Okay.

Dick. Do you want to go and prepare for our drinks when we get out of here? What was I supposed to say? That Tony Merkel never pays for drinks. Look at them. Don't say that. All right. All right.

I got it this time. I got it just mute. Looks like a stiff breeze could blow them over. Oh. man, a stiff freaking breeze. And this is hilarious. I must admit, I didn't think much of Merkel

first time I laid eyes on him. Looks like a stiff breeze could blow him over. That was my impression of the man. I could see why some took the man as annoying. He had a walk and a talk. It just wasn't normal around here.

And boy, could he drink. He drank like a man that didn't have a care or worry in the world. I hope to be done with this talk show one day. I hope fans stop asking me to do stupid voiceovers like this. I hope. Yo, man, what's up? Not a whole lot, just in deep thought. Ah.

Thinking good thoughts. Well, you want to go get some drinks? Yeah, let's get some drinks, ma'am. All right, cool. Can we get two whiskeys on the rocks? Have to see, brother. Yeah, it's been one of those weeks, man. You ever heard the William Row encounter?

No, I don't think I have. Well, let me tell you the story. The story begins in 1955. Ever since I was a small boy back in the forests of Michigan, I have studied the lives and habitats of wild animals. Later, I supported my family in northern Alberta by hunting. and trapping. I've spent many hours just observing the wild things.

They fascinated me. But the most incredible experience I ever had with the wild creature occurred near a little town in British Columbia, about 80 miles west of Jasper, Alberta. I had been working on the highway for about two years. In October...

Yo, why are you telling me this in the first person? Because the story works better if I tell it in first person. Okay. I had been working on the highway for about two years. In October, 1955, I decided to climb five miles up Micah Mountain to an old deserted mine, just for something to do. I came inside of the mine, about 3 o'clock in the afternoon. I had just come out of a patch of low brush into a clearing when I saw what I thought was a grizzly bear. It was in the bush

on the other side. I had shot a grizzly near that spot the year before. This one was only about 75 yards away, but I didn't want to shoot it, for I had no way of getting it out. So I sat down on a small rock and watched, my rifle on my hands, of course. I could see part of the animal's head and the top of one shoulder. A minute later, it raised up and stepped out into the opening. Then I saw it, it was not a bear. My first impression was of a huge man, about six feet tall, almost three feet wide, and probably weighing somewhere near 300 pounds.

It was covered from head to foot with a dark brown silver-tipped hair. But as it came closer, I saw that it had breasts and it was a female. And yet its torso was not curved like a female's. Its broad frame was straight from shoulder to hip. Its arms much thicker than a man's arms and longer, reaching almost to its knees. Its feet were broader than a man's. about five inches wide from the front, and then tapering back to a thinner heel. When it walked, it placed the heel of its foot down first.

I could see a gray-brown skin or hide on the soles of its feet. It came to the edge of the bush I was hiding in, within 20 feet of me, and squatted down on its haunches. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It was reaching out with its hands. It pulled the branches towards its mouth and stripped the leaves with its teeth. Its lips curled flexibly around the leaves as it ate. I was close enough to see its teeth. They were white and even.

The head was higher at the back than at the front. The nose was broad and flat. The lips and chin protruded farther than its nose. It had so much hair that covered its face, leaving bare only parts of the face around the mouth, nose, and ears. It resembled an animal as much as a human. None of the hair, even on the back of its face, His head was longer than an inch, and the hair on the face was much shorter.

Its ears were shaped like human ears. Its eyes were small and black, like a bear's. And the neck was also unhuman, thicker and shorter than any man's I've ever seen. As I watched a creature, I wondered if some movie company was making a film, but as I observed it more, I decided it would be impossible to fake such a specimen. got real, real quick. Finally, the wild thing must have gotten my scent. It looked directly at me through an opening in the brush. Ah, sigh of relief. The creature had a look of amazement that crossed its face. It looked so comical at the moment. I had to grin. Still in a crouched position,

it backed up three or four short steps, then straightened up to its full height, and started to walk rapidly back the way it had come. For a moment, it watched me over its shoulder. as it went. Not exactly afraid, but as though it wanted no contact with anything strange. The thought came to me that if I shot it, I could possibly have a specimen of great interest to scientists the world over. I've heard stories of Sasquatch, from the legends of the British Colombian Indians. Also others have made many claims. Maybe this was a Sasquatch I told myself. I leveled my rifle. The creature was still walking rapidly away, again turning its head to look in my direction.

I lowered my rifle. Although I had called the creature an it, I felt now that it was a human being, and I knew I would never forgive myself if I killed it. Just as it came out to the other patch of brush, it threw its head back and made a peculiar noise that seemed to be a half-laugh and half-language.

Then I walked from the small brush into a stand of long-pole pines. I stepped out in the opening and looked across a small ridge just beyond the pine to see if I could see it again. It came out on the ridge a couple hundred yards away from me, tipped its head back again, and again emitted some strange odd sound. Sounded like half laugh, half language. I don't know. It disappeared then and I never saw it again. I wanted to find out if it lived on vegetation entirely or ate meat as well.

So I went down and looked for signs. I found it in five different places, and although I examined it thoroughly, I could find no hair, or shells, or bugs, or insects. So I believe it's strictly vegetarian. I found one place where it slept for a couple nights under a tree. Now the nights were cool up on the mountain at this time of year, and yet it had not used to fire. I found no sign that it possessed even the simplest of tools, nor a single companion. while in this place.

Whether this was a Sasquatch, I don't know. It will always remain a mystery to me, unless another one is found. I hereby I declare the above statement to be in every part true to the best of my powers of observation and recollection. Signed, William Rowe.

And that's the story of William Rowe, 195 encounter, one of the classics. So you can't pay for our drinks or what? Uh, yeah, yeah, I'll go pay for the drinks. Yeah, that sounds good. That sounds real good. Tony Merkel, guy never pays for a drink, ever. Hey, I paid for the drinks again.

I paid for the last 10. That's actually probably accurate. Let's get out of here, man. All right, man, let's go. Hey, what are you doing? I'm going to class this place up before we leave. All right. Let's get out of here.