The Confessionals - 187: East Texas Sasquatch

Episode Date: December 10, 2019

In Episode 187: East Texas Sasquatch, we have Christian joining the show to talk about his bigfoot experiences in east Texas, as well as some of his own paranormal stories. But before he shares these encounters, Christian opens the show with the fascinating account of how his grandfather served as a medic on a mission to Antarctica, called “Operation High Jump,” with the famous Admiral Byrd! BECOME A MEMBER AND GET ADDITIONAL SHOWS: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/join Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaI Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3 Show Art: Alika Spahn Naihe (www.hauoliart.com)

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappeared. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. with a giant move he's got a spear in one hand

and he's running really fast and spears Dan holds him up like this somebody else shoot him in the face shoot him in the face they basically decapitated and I look over and there are two

and they're literally I'm getting pulled off the bed it's pushed and I touch air couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster Yep

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with Admiral Bird in 1947. His grandfather was a medic on that mission, and he talks about that all on this show. So without any further delay, let's get to Christian right now. All right, today we have Christian on the line. Christian, how you doing, man? Doing well, Tony. How are you? Doing well, man.

So you're down there in Jacksonville, Texas, and you have some interesting stuff to talk to us today. You have some paranormal experiences that you've experienced and you also had some Bigfoot stuff, whether it's an experience where you heard something or even, I guess, a family friend or something like that, actually had pictures of these things that lived on the property and they're showing you. But I want to kind of kick things off with your grandfather who was on an Arctic expedition with Admiral Bird. So if you could, just share with us the information that you know about that, but also share with the audience who Admiral Bird is because some people may not know. yeah um well like i said in my email if there's something weird if it's a weird story my family

somehow has an attachment to it and i guess it all kicks off with operation high jump which was an american mission right after world war two my grandfather was a medic on this mission and Operation High Jump was from 1946 or 1946 to 1947, and right after World War II, they had several objectives of this mission. There was equipment that they wanted to test in very cold conditions. I can verify that that happened. There were many scientific tests done. but the big appeal to this Antarctic mission was to seek out any information, look for any evidence of Nazi bases that could be in Antarctica. And it's documented that in 1939, possibly a few other times, but for sure in 1939, Nazi Germany took an interest in Antarctica.

and they went to an area known as New Swabia now to hopefully establish a whaling base. Now, the U.S. thought that there might be a little bit more to this. And Operation High Jump was basically a bunch of men gathered together. I don't know if there were multiple locations that they left from. My grandfather left from San Diego, California. and he was a medic aboard the North Wind,

which was the flagship of this operation. And he was led by Admiral Richard Bird, who was very notable in the U.S. military. He was one of the big explorers at the time he had done adventures that no one could have dreamed of. He was the first guy to document a lot of the unexplored places that were still around in the mid-40s. And one of those is Antarctica.

And when he came back, he faced a lot of scrutiny for some of the things that he said and a lot of the things that he had documented about this. He was very open about it. And this was, you know, before the military and pop culture kind of separated. You know, in the mid-40s, these big military heroes were very much. a part of pop culture. So when he came back from Operation High Jump, he was kind of this big hero.

He had done all these television interviews, talked about Antarctica being kind of the last frontier and urging, you know, America as a world's superpower to, you know, go forward with studying Antarctica, go forward with looking into, you know, what benefits can we get from possible colonization or scientific study of Antarctica. But high jump was a big part of that. And it's been surrounded with all sorts of UFO folklore, you know, middle earth folklore.

A lot of people say, oh, they could have seen a hole to the middle of the earth. They could have seen aliens. Now, a lot of people do say that Bird wrote in journals about some very strange craft that he had seen. There are also a mysterious death surrounding the operation. And, you know, as far as that, my grandfather never said much. You know, he did note that, yeah, a big part of it was to look for existence of these bases. And that was after, you know, it had been kept quiet for decades. people had been allowed to talk about it

and no one really knew what happened but they had sent I believe about 4,700 men to Antarctica which is a lot to send for some simple scientific testing and one fun fact I have from that is that my grandfather along with one other men did the initial study on guinea pigs

while en route to Antarctica which eventually became pretty much the primary study used to, I guess, back the use of fluoride in toothpaste. So he and this other man had done all this testing, and we still have a lot of these notes from those exact tests. But this was pretty much the initial study on the effects of fluoride in toothpaste. And being part of this mission, he was not able to take full credit for it. or apply for any patents or anything like that. But he and this other man, you know, had a huge part in medical history while on this expedition. And that was a pretty cool, you know, tie that my family had in with history.

Yeah, that is really cool. And it is a shame that your grandfather isn't going to get the appropriate acknowledgement to his contributions to science like that. but, you know, it's pretty much the military owns you, therefore anything you produce, the military owns. And, you know, Admiral Byrd and that whole convoy going down there, like you said, there's so many different rumors about that. And I don't know what's true, what's not true. And I've heard very credible people talk about the, you know, bizarre things that supposedly happened. And it's all, you know, supposedly written down in Admiral Bird's diary,

things like the outside temperature indicators being 74 degrees as they're approaching Antarctica, you know, basically saying that there was some kind of metropolis down there that was very sustainable of life. Then also the plane being taken over, engine stopping and something steering the plane, something coming over the radio, talking to Admiral Bird like they were expecting him, sounding like it was a German accent. And I think there's even rumors are talking about there being UFOs down there that had Nazi symbols on it. And what I do find interesting about that is that we do know that the Nazis did build flying saucers and there were Nazi symbols on it. And that's that's well documented. There's actually very many pictures of these

crafts that they were building during that time. So that does kind of correlate. But the story of this diary is just so bizarre. It's hard to know if it's real or not and all that stuff. But you mentioned about the inner earth stuff. Supposedly, they were able to actually fly into inner earth. I think I'm remembering that correctly. So very fascinating stuff. And the fact that your grandfather was involved with that is just really cool, man. Yeah, there was, uh, Roswell happened right after this expedition. And then UFO folklore in America really started to take off. And I'm sure that's, you influence the stories to some extent, but I have no clue how some of this information is available, what's been hoax, what's been made up, but it's just a really good story.

Yeah, that's always a good question to ask is how is this information available? I mean, we know that the government does release documents and stuff that I personally don't understand why they would release because it really is incriminating, like Operation Northwoods. I mean, that that, I think it's Operation Northwoods. I think I'm remembering that correctly. But basically, it's, it's a whole laid out plan of how our government was going to attack itself, attack our own country and blame it on Cuba. And fortunately, it, well, unfortunately, it went all the way up through the ranks to the desk of the president and JFK, put a stop to it. And some people say that's why he, one of the reasons why he was killed. but it laid out this whole plan of how our government itself was going to use Cuban friendlies to

basically do terrorist attacks on our soil to promote this problem with Cuba. They were going to actually have a plane of people take off and then replace that plane at some point with a drone where the plane was going to land and the drone was going to take over. They were going to shoot the drone out of sky and say that Cuba shot down a plane of our people and all these different things that was listed in this this document and you know who's to say if JFK actually was for it what would have happened you know so very interesting stuff there's a lot of hidden things from our from our eyes and our knowledge on the government's behalf and stuff and I just always found Admiral Bird's story very interesting and I'm really I think it's really cool that

your grandfather was involved with it. Yeah. Another thing that recently became declassified was that the Pentagon was actually looking into some of the pilot reports of unidentified flying objects. Yeah. Now, that's something that's more recent, right? Yeah, I believe that was within the last two years when that came out. you know, that's that's one step that a lot of, you know, uphologists or UFO biologists,

how you like to pronounce that. That's one step, they said, it's crucial in getting, you know, lots of people to believe that, hey, we may not know everything yet. Our own government is looking into this and willingly admitting it. Right. And that's the thing. I mean, how many times do you have to hear ex-military or even current military, pilots saying they've seen things that their own planes couldn't keep up with, like,

dramatically. You see these videos and stuff that are popping up where pilots are able to record this strange light that's flying faster than the plane is flying. And then you have things like you were just talking about. I mean, that made all the way to mainstream media. I mean, I remember the mainstream outlets were covering the fact that our government spent, I think it was like $2.5 million investigating these UFO things. I think maybe it was 12, million. I don't remember. But they had all this breakdown and stuff. And I was like, wow, this is really, really cool because there's some kind of disclosure happening right now. And then just kind of fell apart. Like, just move on. You know, let's not talk about it anymore. I'm just like, what's going on, you know?

So, but yeah, I find it very fascinating, man. So that's not, you know, the extent of all your experiences, because that's, maybe that's the beginning of your experiences. Maybe let me ask before we go into anything that you have experienced personally, do you think? Do you think that's the beginning? You think that's a beginning of think that this is a marker on your family history as to maybe what curved your family into experiencing weird things, your grandfather being part of this expedition? You know, I don't know. It's always one thing that we've thought was very interesting with our family. But in terms of that leading into experiences, I don't know. I kind of said in the email that a lot of people end up having experiences when

they start to look, they gain an interest and then they gain experiences. For my family and myself, it was always the opposite. You know, having these experiences happen and then kind of a desire to want to know what just happened. And so I've heard a lot of people say phrases like I didn't ask for any of it. And now it's, it's kind of been, you know, tugging away and just bothering me that I don't know everything. But that's more how I would describe it. I'm not sure if that had anything to do with it. But I think that's where everything starts being weird with my family. Yeah, I'd say so. I don't know. I mean, I just know that sometimes people feel that there are certain things that happen in their family timeline that was a marker as to

the experiences that everybody's had since then. And obviously, your grandfather working with Admiral Bird on this expedition is, whether it's a paranormal marker or not, it is a marker on your family's timeline. I mean, that's really cool. And most people in the world can't say that they have a relative that worked with Admiral Bird on this Arctic expedition, nevertheless. So I find very interesting, but you've had some paranormal experiences. And I think the first one you said started when you were four years old. Am I right? Yeah, I would have been about four years old. That's, I'm pretty much looking at the house right now. So my grandparents' property right here outside of the city, I live outside of Jacksonville, Texas, which is a very small East Texas town,

very wooded and we live on the outskirts of the city now my aunt and uncle have a property on the other side of the county road that we live on and we're separated by maybe

50 or 60 meters of woods in between us so it's a lot of these experience happened in the same general area and I was about four years old she had

recently, my aunt had recently moved into a house. She had a husband and two kids that were slightly older than I was at the time. My parents and I went over. I'm not sure what the reason was for visiting. I'm sure they were having a game night or just catching up or something like that, but I know that it was not necessarily notable or any big event or anything like that. So everyone would have just been normally conversing in the living room. And it was a very old house.

It was built before interior plumbing. So when they put in a restroom in a house, they had to add onto the house. And they put the restroom next to a very old well. And the well was actually still there. It was an old stone well and it was still exposed in their life. laundry room. The laundry room and restroom were next to each other and they were

on the left side of this house and I guess I just needed to use the restroom and I just left everyone ended up using a restroom and on my way back passed by the laundry room with this well and

in the well there was a ladder and it was somehow attached to the attic. I don't exactly remember how that was in the room, but I specifically remember the well. And I guess I saw someone. The beginning of it is very cloudy, and a lot of this has been, you know, retold from what I told then. You know, a lot of the childhood encounters is your family retelling it saying,

hey, do you remember that time when this happened? And so through your older family members, you're kind of able to remember a lot of this, a lot of the encounters that happen when you're younger. And I remember there being a man, and I guess he called me into the room, and I was slightly inside the doorway. And he was fully physically there. And, you know, I wish I had a lot more of these details. I've thought about contacting, you know, a regressive hypnotherapist to help me see if I could, figure out some more about this, but some of it is still extremely vivid, you know, almost 20 years

later. Remember, he touches my shoulder and it felt fully physical. There was, you know, there was matter there, solid matter touching my shoulder. And it was just like anyone else, you know, I'm four years old. My family, you know, I grew up in a religious, just, you know, Christian family in the South, not necessarily someone who's going to talk about all these ghost stories, you know, plant that in my head at a young age. So I didn't know what a ghost was. This man puts his hand on my shoulder and he kind of goes down to my level to talk to me. And the details in his face are very vivid. He had this really unkept red hair and his nose for some reason was very red to the point that my four-year-old self

thought he was a clown. He had a red hair and a red nose and I'm not sure if he was, I'm not sure to the extent of what, I don't know how I'm trying to say this. To me, the easiest way to grasp how red his hair was and how red his nose was to think he was a clown. You know, as a kid, you always try to relate what you see to what you know. And as a kid, you don't know everything yet. Like the story that came out recently where the kid was missing for like three days. And he said, well, a bear took care of me. And, you know, who knows what a bear to him could have been?

As a kid, you're used to seeing these cartoon bears, you know, that are very human-like, bipedal, Winnie the poo, you know, you're used to seeing things kind of like that. And a bear to him could mean anything.

So, you know, I'm not exactly sure why other than the color of his hair and the color of his nose that I said, clown.

And he's talking to me. Now, I don't remember a thing he tells me, and I'm not even sure that I understood it. But everyone else is talking in the living room.

My aunt happens to glance over and see me through the hallways, standing in this doorway, talking to this man. And there's no one else in the house at the time. It's later at night. No one else in the house. And she says, Christian, who are you talking to? Because evidently, I was saying things back to him.

And I walk back into the living room. And I tell my aunt, the clown wants to talk to you. at that point, you know, her, I'm sure she got extremely unsettled in that moment. Yeah. And she immediately gets her husband and says, we need to check the house. They check, don't see anyone there because, you know, if you're trying to grasp what a kid's telling you, if they say they're talking to someone in the house, you're probably going to look around because, you know, you want to keep children safe around your house, you're going to look into that.

Didn't see another person in the house, but her kids had always talked about noises. They had been in the house for a while. I'm not sure if this was my first time in the house, but I know it was one of my first few times in the house. Her kids had reported things. I'm fairly certainly reported even a man. She didn't think much of it because children have active imaginations. She didn't think much of it. But they always had things go missing.

and they were always mail items. You know, razors, they had shot glasses, like the tourism shot glasses you get that say something like Las Vegas or Niagara Falls on, and they like to collect those and decorate the kitchen with. They always had those go missing. Well, sometimes months later, they just find them, you know, in a random spot in the yard. And, you know, I don't think either of her kids during the entire time they lived there had experiences to that extent.

But I had a second encounter that I remember much less of. Basically, she was babysitting me for a day. I was over. I believe it was just her and I. She was doing something else, and I was back in this laundry room, and there I was walking up to the attic. And she, I know a lot less about this one, but she basically said,

hey, what are you doing? I said, oh, the man's up there. The clown is up there. And it sounds kind of like an imaginary friend or making something up. But they had a man pass away in the home before they owned it. And they basically bought it

after he had passed away. And it was a brother and sister living next door. So his sister is still alive and she lives next door to her house. And she had photos of a group of men, and one of them was the man that died in the house. And she ended up showing me these photos. I'm not sure if they were left in the house,

or if she somehow knew this man, knew a group that he was involved with. But she ended up showing me some photos, and immediately, you know, I pointed this man and say, that's the clown but it was the man that passed away in the house and

to my knowledge the sister that still lives next door has never been told this story you know I can't just walk up to someone and say you know I think I saw your brother's ghost

18, 19 years ago but that was my first I guess spirit encounter which kind of opened my family's eyes to a lot of things because at the time, you know, what I was talking about was extremely credible. Let's take a break and talk about a sponsor for today's show, which is simply safe.

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and that he was trying to communicate with you? I mean, you've had a long time to think about this and you don't remember what he was saying. So do you think that he was trying to communicate something important to you? Or do you think maybe it was like residual energy where it was just reacting to you being there? What are your thoughts on your experiences when it comes to how that all lays out? You know, I have no clue. That's part of reason that I wanted to work with hypnotherapists and trying to bring out some of these memories.

I don't know how effective that would be. But I think when kids talk about encounters like that, especially when they talk about imaginary friends, you know, things like that, I think that needs to be taken seriously to a certain extent. And of course, kids have active imaginations and things like that. But for some reason, my experience and my experience with my sister and all of that happened when I was very young. I'm not sure if kids have some ability or if they're targeted by spirits. You know, I have no clue, but I think they've got some ability that we somehow lose as adults.

You know, I don't know if people talk about third eye and everything. I don't know, but as kids, we just tend to have more experiences. Yeah. And so there's no telling what experiences have happened in people's lives as children, even, you know, the most hardened skeptics, and they've just completely forgotten about it. But, you know, I don't know. he was a Christian man, a member of the church, and, you know, both of the men I ended up seeing can be verified, you know, to live here were believers in, you know, heaven. And it kind of

influenced, you know, how I think about the afterlife and everything, because it was right there in front of me. There's something there in front of me. So it influenced on how you view the afterlife because you're sitting there, you're seeing something that's tangible right there in front of you. And, you know, obviously that has its effects on people. What did it do, though, that affected your thoughts? I mean, what are your thoughts on the afterlife that you draw conclusions from your experiences? Yeah. You know, I grew up in a Christian home.

and grew up in church, grew up learning everything, even in college. I studied the Bible in context. I studied, you know, all sorts of scriptural aspects of Christianity. And, you know, I remember being very young in a Sunday school class. Not long after that and kind of maybe a few years after, And, you know, we were being taught the concept of heaven. It was like, okay, when you're, when you're relatives, friends, when everyone passes away, they wait for you in heaven, and you'll be reunited with them, you know, when you pass away. And my family's always joked about me about my first word being actually because, you know, I was so big on knowing all these facts and correcting everyone with everything wrong.

but I ended up telling the Sunday school teacher, I was like, no, they're here on Earth. And part of that was, you know, I did see a relative, and I guess I'll talk about that next. But I said, no, like, I've seen them here on Earth. And they're like, what are you talking about? I couldn't have been older than, you know, six or seven at that time. So they're like, okay, you've got an active imagination. And, you know, you don't want to be spreading all this. said, you know, a conservative Sunday school group, but to me, you know, I didn't know

what to think anymore. I still believe in, you know, having it held. But I think there's a lot more to it than that. Yeah, I agree with you, man. And it's funny because, you know, the Sunday school teacher was probably just thinking, silly kid. He doesn't know what real. That reality is. He just, you know, watched too many movies or this, that, and the other. And that's really the general conclusion you're going to get from a Sunday school teacher typically. Most of the time leadership's, leadership of these organizations, they don't believe that, you know, people, the ghosts that people are seeing are actual ghosts. If you're seeing anything, they just say it's all demonic and evil. And it's impossible that your grandfather or anybody would be, you know, have any ability to

communicate with you or anything like that. And, you know, I've, you know, I sound like a broken record, but I don't care. It's just not, that's just not a biblical point of view in my mind. And there's Old Testament writings in the Bible that point to different conclusions and what they're teaching. And so, you know, I'm not saying that everything is, you know, a relative and nothing is demonic. I think a lot of things are demonic, but I don't think every situation people have. have is a demonic situation because, well, I just don't think the Bible says that. And so, but it makes people uncomfortable to go down that road when it comes to their faith.

So in a sense, I can understand just because the comfort level there stuff. But at the same time, if you're in leadership and you're teaching other people, staying away from the stuff that's hard to understand isn't necessarily the right thing to do. You know what I mean? Yeah. So why don't you talk to us about the experience you had where I think it was you and your sister saw your grandfather after he passed away, right? Yes.

That was in a car, actually. My father, he's a scuba diver. He had a dive shop about 30 or 40 minutes from where we had lived at the time. My sister was very young. just learned to talk. She just started talking. And I was a bit older than her, but still young enough, you know, to not understand everything.

And to try to young enough to try to put things into, make them fit into my own world perspective. So we were driving home, and I believe I said in the interview that my father was in the car, that's incorrect. He was actually in the car in front of us. But I remember him being there. That's because he pulled over in front of us.

And I want to get all that correct. But we were driving home. We were following my dad from the dive shop back home. And my sister starts crying. She's absolutely bawling in the backseat. She's still in this car seat. And she's just, you know, screaming. and, you know, my sister didn't really have a reason to be crying.

My mom, she has a background in, you know, CPR first aid, you know, medical profession. And her first thought is when a child is crying like that, you know, it could mean choking or something severe is wrong. So she kept pulling the car over, checking on my sister, and then my sister would stop crying. but, you know, we'd start driving again. She'd start absolutely screaming at the top of her lungs again. And my mom kept saying, she's like, hey, what's wrong with your sister? And she's asking her directly, she said, what's wrong? And my sister kept saying, but man, well, she would have been too young at the time to have any memories of my grandfather.

And the same one that was, you know, the same one that was, you know, the same one that was, instrumental in Project High Jump. And she kept saying that. Well, I didn't see anything, but she kept saying the man. And then somehow, I don't remember if it was

full body, I just remember the upper body. My grandfather, and I don't remember how old he was, which is weird, but I remember somehow just knowing that it was my grandfather. I don't know if it was the age he died, or if he was much younger,

But somehow in my mind, I just knew it was him. But he reached for her hand in that car seat. We were separated. I was on the right. She was on the left. And in between us, there he was just sitting there. And he had tried to hold her hand. And, you know, my mom now, largely because of this experience,

but she's had some others. She's a huge believer in this idea of, you know, guardian angels. and my mom you know it slams on the brakes pulls the car over she didn't see anything it was what we told her

but it was like a split second thing and then my dad sees that we pull over and his rear rear and he you know he just slams on the brakes and and blows up beside us

out or in front of us and gets out of the car he is to him you know seeing us pull over like that something has to be incredibly wrong. But my mom's just screaming. She's like,

what's wrong with your sister? And I said, Grandpa tried to hold their hand. This was months after my mom's dad had passed away. And, you know, to her, that was probably pretty shocking to hear.

But both of us were saying, like, yeah, this man was back to they tried to hold her head. And my father, who was, you know, even after my first encounter, all that happened in the house, he was not in any way, like, a believer in spiritual things. And, you know, this event kind of changed that, but here he was a skeptic at the time, hearing us say that my mom's recently deceased grandfather just tried to hold my sister's hand. And we're over on the side of a highway, and he's just

screaming into the air because one of his kids is crying. He's screaming into the air at, you know, my mom's deceased father saying things like, stay away from my kids. Like they, you're scaring them. And so this obviously had to be pretty traumatic for the family to experience. You know, one of my mom's parents just showing up in the back. seat, even though they'd passed on, my dad being a skeptic, yet having this much aggression at the moment. And, you know, I don't know how you're supposed to feel when your husband

yells for your deceased dad to, you know, stay away from your kids. It's probably a pretty strange moment, but there was so much, you know, emotion in that moment. And I don't remember. that one quite as much as the first one. Part of it is that my family, you know, we just didn't talk about it much after that. It was years in between every time. My mom, but she was alone

with us and say, hey, like, I want you to remember that this happened. All of my siblings, you know, after he passed away, we'd end up. Her thing was that they'd find pennies throughout their houses heads up.

That was like a good luck to them. But when he was alive, when they were all still under one roof, as teenagers and things like that, that's what he would do to, you know, kind of leave messages to them in the house. And they still had that happen. You know, a lot of that can be explained, but it would be in, you know, very strange places. And they'd be like, okay, that's funny. Like, dad's still here. But, yeah, in short, that's my second encounter. Yeah, that's really interesting, man. Now, to this day, I guess your dad is now a believer in paranormal because of that experience?

Yeah, I'd say so. There's a third one, which both of my parents experienced. I was kind of separate from it. It's from my parents' experience at the time. And I didn't even mention an email, but they called out an angel encounter. They had an angel encounter? Yeah, I'll try to touch upon that really quickly. Okay. But my father, after that, a few years after that second incident, he ended up getting a brain tumor. Specifically, he had been diagnosed with acromegaly, which is extremely rare. And it's basically when things like tumors cause the pituitary gland to continuously produce growth hormone throughout your entire life. So even after, you know, he should have been a well-past growth as a human, he was still growing.

So he was, you know, I believe he had gained like six or seven inches within like a year or two of my parents getting married. And it's caused a lot of, you know, joint issues in his body, but essentially it's a brain tumor, very rare. and affects the body physically with growth. And it's been theorized. Maybe that's what Goliath of the Bible had. But it's one of those extremely rare things. So my parents were very worried at the time. He had recently gotten diagnosed.

And they had been to, my mom recently told me this. It was 21 or 22 doctors. And they had the diagnosis, but no one really knew how to operate. kept getting responses like, you know, we're going to have to try something extremely experimental. You know, we want you to be the first person to undergo this surgery, have, you know, all these TV shows, books, documentaries about your case specifically because, you know, no one has seen anything like it, but they were traveling, you know, all over the country trying to get answers from all these doctors. and then they get to, I guess it was like the 23rd or something like that, but he was a Christian doctor, and he had, you know, crosses and verses in his office, I guess, and my mom just felt comforted by that. And by all means, if a doctor is not of your faith, please trust them they're educated enough to be trusted, but

to a family that grew up Christian, you know, that was just comforting to see. And he said, okay, pull the kids out of school for a few weeks. And my sister and I were, she's a few older than I was, but I was in, I think, second or third grade at the time. And she said, pull the kids out. He said, pull the kids out of school, go take a mini vacation. my mom had all these medical records all the exams they had done all the uh you know the test run

she had all that hundreds if not thousands of pages of medical records and he said let me take this let me study these for a few weeks go take a mini vacation with the kids and then when you come back I'll have everything prepped you know we're going to be ready to do this and we're kind of diving family.

Both my parents were scuba divers. My dad had the dive shop. They spent time as Caribbean dive guides. So, you know, we spent all of our time around the water. So naturally, we go to the coast. And in Texas, you know, one of the main coast of towns is Galveston. So we went to that area for a few weeks. And we stayed there for.

a bit and, you know, I'm sure the parents were super worried because my dad, it was kind of like 50-50 going into the surgery on, you know, if it was even going to be successful or not, or if he was even going to survive the surgery. But, you know, we didn't know that at the time. We just saw it as, you know, just being pulled out of school for a few weeks to enjoy the coast. and we go out to eat and they used to do all sorts of rig dives on the coast and everything so we were familiar with some smaller towns around Gabbleston further west and we ended up going to, I believe the town is Surfside Beach,

I might be incorrect about that, but Surfside Beach we ended up asking locals like, what's the best place to eat around here? And they tell us this burger shack and it was named the jetty or the jetty, something like that, but it was this wooden shack basically on the beach. And there's one strip of road where you could see cars coming in and leaving. Well, there weren't many people there when we got there because we went during the week, you know, not many tourists in the area,

just whoever was around. and my parents were kind of sitting at the bar and then looking out, you could see, see the water, see the cars coming in and leaving. So you could obviously see who was headed to the restaurant and who was leaving. And we were one of the few people there. We were kind of separate from my parents at the time.

I'm not sure if we were playing with our dog or whatever it was, but and I don't have any recollection of this at all. It was just what my mother has retold, but a man, nothing strange in appearance about him, and he was bald at a normal shirt on, normally dressed, but he walks up and he says, you have acromegaly to my dad.

My parents are sort of shocked. You're like, what, yeah, I do have acromegaly. And the guy, he was short and not large. And so that was obviously not a sign of acromegaly. So, you know, why would he know anything about acromegaly? And he says it was like he knew their situation exactly. He said, you have not been tested in this way.

When you go back home, you need to request to have this test done. you need to have them look at this, you need to have them scan your brain in this way, you need to have them check for, you know, this chemical and have them do the surgery in this way. And, you know, my mom would know exactly what he told them, but I don't remember a lot of those questions that she talked about, but at the time, they were like,

how do you know of this? obviously somehow know exactly what we're going through, that we were sent away. And it was some guy acting like he was just at the restaurant. And then he doesn't even give a name. He walks into the bathroom and there's no other exit in the bathroom. We walked into the bathroom. My dad said, we didn't get his name.

And he walks into the bathroom and he's not there. So they start frantically checking the beach at that one, roads seeing if cars were coming in or out and there was nothing there and they asked you know people in the restaurant did you see this guy and they said no like we have no clue who you're talking about and in that moment they said like there's no other explanation right now other than that was someone sent to you know significantly change the scenario and point us in the right direction when you got back, he ended up saying everything they were told to that doctor, and it, you know, impacted everything to the point of they changed how they did surgery and how much, you know, of everything

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I find it very interesting that your family just seems to have a very commonality with the unusual, whether you want to call it paranormal, supernatural, whatever it is. It just, it really seems to gravitate to you guys. And that's really interesting, man. Yeah. So why don't you talk to us about these Bigfoot pictures? Now, you saw these bigfoot pictures from, I guess, somebody that you know, whether it's a family friend or something.

And was that before or after you had your own experience with, you know, what sounded like a bunch of chimpanzees yelling? That was before. Okay. And this was, I had a huge interest in cryptosology. You know, I had those paranormal encounters, but, you know, it wasn't until high school. that I had any interest in the paranormal. I had those encounters,

and I was satisfied with knowing that there's some things we don't know. I wasn't dying to have answers. I was just satisfied knowing that, hey, you might end up seeing a relative again, but I don't know how to explain it. And then the Southheart phenomenon had been the complete opposite my father said he was a diver, and when I was very young, my first big interest was in paleontology. And so when those mix, I'm obviously going to have a huge interest in lake monster and marine reptile sightings.

So we got our interest in cryptozoology from that. It was initially all marine reptiles. I didn't care it all about Bigfoot. but I don't even know if I knew much about Bigfoot at the time, but anytime a show was on about Lake Champlain or Locke Ness, we would watch it. And one of these shows was a kind of a mashup of all things mysterious, and Nessie was in it, so we watched it.

But this one show gave me my experience into Bigfoot, and it showed that Patterson Gimlin film and so many people across so many generations have that as their first Bigfoot experience. And at the time, I was like, okay, that's kind of cool, but, you know, it's just some sort of ape in the woods on the West Coast. I live in Texas. It doesn't concern me at all. I'm still really interested in these lake monsters. but my dad having a kinesiology background and always looked at it and said

you know it's kind of walking funny and now looking in depth at it I think the film is pretty indicative of a mid-tarsal break when you look at you know how the heel rotates but that was my first experience into this Sasquatch phenomenon

and didn't think it concerned me but I was still you know kind of kind of interested in it but it was a West Coast problem. Well, one day, my mom ended up talking with a friend of hers about me. And when my mom talked about me, you know, my big interest was cryptozoology and paleontology. Well, she ended up telling this friend that I was very interested in cryptozoology

and, you know, trying to discover these new animals and things like that. And this family friend was like, why don't you guys come out to my property and we can spotlight for them. That's what she called it. And we thought she was crazy. None of us had any much belief in it at the time. My mom had some classmates that had some big encounters when she was in high school that were a pretty big deal, but none of us thought much about Sasquatch in East Texas. And she invites us. to come out and look for them. And her property

was on the border of Fairchild State Forest in Maydale, Texas. And it was very remote for this area. You know, East Texas, it's a bunch of towns separated by 20 or 30 miles. And in between,

it's generally nothing but hunting leases and properties with a ton of wildlife, a ton of woods, you know, really, really good spot. If something like that, want to hide. But at the time, we weren't expecting anything. So we go out, and this was the summer, I believe,

June of 2008. And we've got one spotlight, and we drive out to a property. And she was like, okay, load up in the back of the truck. She had this old truck. She lived alone. I don't remember much about the house. I believe it may have been a trailer actually on the property that she lived in.

But she was like, okay, load up in the truck, we'll drive out there. So we drove through so many fields. It was like 20 extra minutes of driving just to get to this last field. And she had loaded up all these weapons in the back. And, you know, she threw rifles back there, machetes back there. and we were just kind of joking on the way back there. I was 12 years old, and I was like, this is kind of funny, this woman's crazy. And she's like, okay, here we are.

And we get out, and we're in, like, hip high grass, and we're surrounded on three sides by treeline. And the closest point is, you know, it can't be more than, you know, 30 or 40 feet away from this tree line. Here we are in this field. And she's like, okay, just wait. I'm hoping they'll still be out because you're new. And at this time, we were still thinking this woman's crazy.

After a few minutes, these lights of some sort of the best description I've ever had, or I've ever thought of for something like this is if someone turns on, you know, like an LED watch, that you could get for cheap. One of those backlit LED watches from like 40 or 50 feet away at night. That's what the light looked like.

And that popped up. And then she said, okay, there's one. And we're like, okay, that's, you know, kind of weird, but it's probably eye shine or something. And it was about six to seven feet up, And my dad is about six and a half feet tall. So I had a pretty good, even at that, you know, awareness of how high this thing was up compared to the trees.

And then another one would pop up and it would be on the other side of, on the other side of this tree line. And they were never together, always in different areas. And very, a lot of people talk about bright lights. These were very, very dim. There was a little bit of moonlight, but not much, and they were extremely dim. And, you know, there were four or five pop up. And she says, they close their eyes if you shine the light at them.

Well, she turned on the spotlight and named it directly at one. And there was nothing there. You know, you think that at the time when I was thinking it was a raccoon in a tree or something like that, you would have seen something or purred it scuttle away down the tree. And there was simply nothing there. And, you know, she talked about it. Like there was a few, I honestly think this was a pretty definite class B encounter that night. I would know how to describe it.

There was no smell, no sound. and occasionally you know this could have easily been the mind playing tricks the lights were definite but you'd almost swear that you'd see movement in between trees and it was so quick like jumping between tree

and they'd be you know 12 to 15 feet away from each other and you'd swear that you know that tree just moved you didn't know what was a tree and what wasn't a tree and it it was very creepy that night but still we were like okay, to someone who's never studied this, never looked into it, they kind of expect, you know,

these things to kind of walk out of the woods and wave at you. And that's not what happens. But my mom, you know, 10 years, almost 11 years removed from this, we had lunch the other day. And I said, hey, do you remember anything about that? We had not really talked about that night since then. and I asked if she remembered anything and she said yeah I saw one stand up in the grass that was quite of my eye and she's like I'll swear on it I didn't know what to think about it I ended up getting so scared in that field that I kind of convinced myself that it was like a tree that had cracked halfway up something like that but then she's like that doesn't make sense it was a hayfield why would there be a tree stump in the middle of this

field. And I didn't notice it when I was there, but she swears out of the corner of her eyes. She saw it stand up. Well, a few weeks after this, we go home. That night, nothing happens. We don't really talk much. We're like, okay, that was kind of cool, kind of weird. We didn't see anything as new investigators, if you want to say. We were kind of disappointed. We're like, okay, we expected these things to just walk out of the woods and not us to be able to look at them. But we get back in the truck, we end up driving home and didn't really say much about it. Like, okay, that was kind of a funny experience. But looking back, knowing what I know now, I think that was like all the signs of typical Class B encounter.

well a few weeks after this she noticed that that you know i was kind of having some fun that night and she was like you know i i remember she said this she said i don't want to scare you but i want you to know what's out there and she told me what she knew and she had known a lot which makes me think that there are a lot of people out there who just don't have an interest in coming forward with anything or, you know, don't know how to. They don't know about, you know, these platforms that are around that they can use to talk about it. Or she had no interest in telling anyone because she was afraid that people would come on her property. And she had, you know, developed a relationship with these things.

But she was scared that they would leave or leave or something like that. But she ended up telling me, she said, there's a family of four, maybe five, on my property and I can tell them apart in the face. And they have slightly different hair color, but it's the facial features that makes them definitely discernible. And at the time, I was like, what? You know, at 12 years old, my idea was a species is that, you know, they all look the same, but as humans are the exact opposite.

She talked a little bit about the behavior. she talked about hand signs, didn't say anything about spoken language that I remember, and I know that's a big thing that they're researching now, but she talked all about hand signs, and she says, when they hunt, usually it's one that hunts, but they end up doing all these crazy, you know, trap setups and everything, not, you know, physical traps, but, you know, they try to corner something like an intelligent human would, but she said they talk with hand signs.

Another thing she said was that she thinks they bury their dead. And at the time, I'm like, this woman is absolutely crazy, you know, in all the, no one talks about any of this in the shows that were around on, you know, BBC, all the, you know, National Geographic documentaries on it. You know, they don't talk about anything. They talk about, you know, just some sort of. of gorilla that lives in the West, but is larger, and that's what I thought it was. But she said, no, they're close to us. They teach their young, or they care for their young, a lot like we do. And she described the family structure to me, and she talked about two adults.

She thought it was, you know, like a male and a female, kind of like a typical family structure. And she talked about two little ones. And she said, I live alone. and, you know, over years of living here, they've kind of been okay with me. I don't hurt them. I always carry weapon, but I don't hurt them. She talked about going out on horseback very often,

and she'd walk around the property often as well, but if she ever smelled what she described as lemon windex, she knew they were around. And that's the big argument now. Is it scent gland or is it, you know, just they, smell bad. I don't know, but she always talked about lemon windex. Didn't say anything about vocalizations or anything like that.

The smell was the main part of what she talked about. And, you know, at this time, I was like, all this information is crazy. And I'm sure I asked questions like, you know, how do they do this or that? And she didn't know a lot of it, but she said, yeah, this is what I've been able to see. they like to leave things on my porch. She always had rocks or dead animals, you know, end up on the porch. And that was crazy to me. That was the first time I heard that.

And so, you know, honestly, for years, I didn't think much about what she said to me until I found out that so many people were coming forward with reports, specifically through things like Sasquatch Chronicles, and I found out about the BFRO looking through these reports of all the behaviors. And I was like, okay, everything this was. woman said is, you know, is reported elsewhere. And the main thing that I'll talk about in this encounter is the photos. She gives me all these CDs and, you know, just simple, rewriteable CDs. And she said she had a digital camera. And she always tried to take photos if she knew they're around

or if they were showing themselves. And she said, yeah, look through this if you want to see what they look like. But 12 years old with my young scientific mind, obviously I'm going to be like, yeah, I really want to see what these things look like. So she gives me the CDs and I head home. I think I met her with my mom after she was off work or something like that. but she gives me the CDs and then we drive home, and it's a few days before I actually get around looking at what's on it.

And I'm still kind of, at that time, thinking that woman is absolutely crazy. It's like Bigfoot is not in Texas. That's in Washington. And I don't believe much of what she even says, even as, you know, a very gullible 12-year-old. and I pop in the first CD into a really old Macbook

and I kind of look at see what folders are there nothing was labeled but it was kind of labeled by date here are the photos I took on this day it was labeled by

date or a few were labeled by month I remember that there's no telling how many photos would have been on all of these or if this was everything she had. But I look at the first few photos and, you know, I'm not, I'm not seeing a whole lot. It was, she took them in the woods and it was kind of a, not exactly a very high quality camera. It was okay, enough to see things that are pretty good.

But, you know, when you're in a very low contrast area, like, in East Texas woods and you just take a photo you know it might not be the best way to to see what's there but the it was like the fourth or fifth photo

was taken from the field and it was taken of this bush and at the time I was like okay this is why she's taking a photo of this bush it's just a bush right in front of her and

then I see the shoulders and I'm like, okay, is that something standing there? There were, you know, kind of impressions of forms behind trees and the other photos. It was kind of like tree peaking, but you couldn't really see anything that was going on. It was like something weird is behind that tree or that's a very strange shadow shape behind this bush. And it wasn't really showing much. But one of the first photos I came across had this shoulder outline behind it. and I follow it up and I see the face.

At that time, in my entire life, that might be the moment that scared me the most. I don't know of any other time I've felt like that in my entire life, and I'm just seeing this photo. And I'm sitting in my room, and I'm like, okay, am I really seeing this? look over it, zoom in, and it kind of scares me so much that I end up closing the photo immediately and closing my laptop. I didn't even look to the rest of the photos, and I really regret that now, but at 12 years old, I was so scared. I didn't want to know anything else. Ended up giving the photos back to her, not mentioning that I saw anything in the photos until,

years later, and when I finally, it was probably college when I finally said, I had seen stuff in the photos because it impacted me so much. And I was young, it didn't necessarily scare me out of the woods,

but it was something that was always on my mind. I was like, what if, because I had spent enough time to know in the woods to know that there's not one everywhere, but I was, I don't know what that is, but it's in this area. And it really impacted the way I think about, you know, this area at that time.

And the face is the thing that really got me, and I can describe that really well, because it's really vivid. And I ended up actually studying physical anthropology in college to quite a few. courses in that and something started to make sense about what I saw. But this first face, I think it was, to me it was obviously male. It might have been that it was just so grotesque. I couldn't see a female face being like that, but it had a lot of, you know, the traditional markings that people talk about today when they talk about faces that they see. And the big thing was the eyes, how sunken the eyes were.

The closest representation I've ever seen to the eyes is, if you've ever seen the movie sinister, there's the character of Mr. Boogie, how sunken his eyes are. The shape is kind of similar.

What's big is that it's hard to tell, the shadows that it creates, it's so hard to tell where the eye actually starts. And where you know, where anything is within those two eye sockets. To me, it looked like it would have had his eyes open.

I just couldn't see any pupils or anything like that. I'm not sure if the contrast was so high that you couldn't see anything through that shadow or if, you know, that portion of the eye was black. And I'll talk about another photo that the eye was different. But in this eye, it looked like it was fully black. The brow line was the thing that stuck out the most about the top of the head. Very, very sharp, almost like, again, I studied physical anthropology, ended up looking at all of these, you know, pre-human species. And it reminded me a lot of that.

I didn't know how common that was in early humans with the very, you know, pointed, pointed brow line. I thought the sagittal crest was pretty obvious. There was no hair on the face except for the cheeks, but not on the chin. It reminded me almost of, what do they call? Like mutton chops, but they were not thick. But it was obvious hair there. I'm not sure what the skin would have been like underneath. I couldn't even see the bottom of the chin.

That was covered behind a leaf. And another thing that was super obvious about this was how drastically different the zygomatic process or the cheekbones were from ours. In humans, the temple and the cheekbones are somewhat level vertically. But in theirs, it was, you know, it's, least like two inches further wide than the temple. The forehead was a bit different. It had, I think it said in the email that, I don't remember the character's name,

but from Star Trek, he has the folds in the forehead. I'm not sure if it was age or what, but it had lines on the side of the forehead. Not super obvious, but it was like it was very wrinkly or old, something like that, the side of the forehead had these wrinkles. Couldn't see the top of the forehead, but the majority from, you know,

middle of the forehead to just below the bottom lip was perfectly exposed through this bush. And, you know, I understand what people describe it as the boogeyman. It was so grotesque to me. You know, I, it felt like unnatural.

That's the only way I know how to describe it right now. It kind of burned that image in my mind where I could still retell a lot of the image or retail a lot of what the image would like today even though I'm years removed from it. And the way it was standing was kind of strange.

It was not all, visible from behind the bush, but you can make out a lot of the shape. And it was pretty obvious. It was bent over with the hands on the knees. Like imagine NFL linebacker, like Ray Lewis pre-snap, bent over, hands on his knees. And the face is just pointing through this bush. And the whole time, I was like, he's standing in a bush. Like, why is he standing in a bush?

That makes no sense to me. and I realized how close she was. I was like, surely she saw this face. Well, I'm not sure she did. She may have heard something, but if she saw something that close, I'm not sure why she's taking the photo. And it was just leaned over staring at her.

And it was so well camouflaged that you can probably be within a few feet, stare at this bush for seconds before you realize that something's there. but if not for, you know, the outline of that shadow of the shoulders, that I would have even seen it. And there's no telling if the first few photos even had anything, and they very well might have.

But it didn't make sense to me until I got, you know, back into researching Sasquatch. You know, I didn't have much of an interest. I kind of had interest in high school, but I was busy with so many other things and then in college I kind of gotten interested in Sasquatch again

and I found out about Sasquatch Chronicles I was listening to this one episode actually set in Palestine Texas which is maybe 30 minutes from here and very close to the spot where I actually had that encounter and this guy described seeing this thing

poke its face through the bush, and I believe kind of grin at him or something like that. And then I was like, okay, someone else has seen this thing stick its face out through the bush, not, you know, a walk out in between trees or whatever they call tree peaking, kind of leaning over. This thing had stuck its face through the bush, and it was standing inside of the bush. and even after that I was like okay I can probably figure out how tall this thing could have been didn't notice anything about muscle but I was like I know what camera she used

or generally what kind of camera she used I remember exactly where it was in the photo and I remember you know where the eyes were kind of how far above the forehead or above the forehead was. So I did some measurements. I was like, okay, I got my dad's let me figure this out. I'm about six feet tall,

and if I lean over in that exact position, I lose about a third of my height. Well, I remember hers was about right in the middle of that right quadrant of the photo, and part of the reason I think that she didn't exactly know it was there, she kind of randomly took the photo was that this thing was not

centered at all. It was kind of in the corner of this photo. But from what you could see of the ground in front and the level of the bush, it was fairly level. She took it with the horizon. So from that, I was like, okay, I think she was about this far away, and it was about here in the quadrant. And I

ended up measuring it. and I estimate she would have, you know, held the camera around her chest or her chin, taking this photo. So I did all these measurements. And I said, I believe I ended up coming up with this thing. If it was standing straight up, would have been about eight feet. If it was indeed leaning over on its knees. And I have those exact measurements somewhere, but it was between like eight and eight and a half feet.

If it was standing up and if it was similar to us, But that was so impactful to me that photo that I didn't look at any other photos until college. I actually downloaded one other photo, and it was not in a folder, and that's why I downloaded it. But I never looked at that one, and it was always on that hard drive for years. and ended up looking back at it in college. And kind of, it didn't forget about that encounter, but, you know, I didn't talk about it much.

And then I see that photo, and I'm like, okay, I remember this is from when the lady showed me, or let me borrow all those photos. And there was a second eye in that one. And I remember sitting in my apartment on the couch and seeing this eye. And I was like, oh, God, here's another face. And that kind of feeling came back.

But it wasn't nearly as scary this time. And the eye on that photo, and I still have the photo, somewhere on that old hard drive, and I'm sure that's still accessible. but the eye was so big and it was like you couldn't tell much details about the face, but you could see the eye kind of behind some foliage, and a few things really bothered me about it. And I remember it being with that group of Sasquatch photos, so I immediately associated it with Sasquatch.

But the thing I got from that one was that, it was completely different from the other one. Like the face of the eye was completely different. It reminded me a lot of a tiger because the outline of the eye was black. Tigers have that, you know, black skin around the eye. And the second reason I reminded me of a tiger was because in this one, it was about her head level with the photo. But in this one, the eye was yellow.

And the, I specifically remember the horizontal slit of the pupil, sorry, the vertical set of the pupil. And I didn't know what I was looking. I was like, is this a tiger? It wasn't orange or anything like that. But I specifically remember the slit pupil. And I was like, I have no clue what this was. I thought they have eyes like us. And there have been a few other rare encounters talking about the slit pupils.

Well, it makes sense and I ended up reaching out to a few people about this. And I said, if there's one thing I know about Sasquatch is that the pupil is exactly how I saw it in that photo with the slit, or I don't know if it's gender difference with the males having the wider pupils and the females having slits. That really doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but it made sense talking to a few people about the people that was told that that's pretty indicative of ambush hunting at night. And during the day when that exact photo was taken, that's how they would have to restrict sunlight. and I'm not even sure if I mentioned that second photo in the email, but that was pretty recent. That was, you know, five years ago maybe,

and ended up showing one roommate, and I was like, hey, what do you see in this photo? And he's like, that's definitely an eye. I have no clue what that is, though. Yeah, I'm not sure if that's, I don't often associate that with my first photo because I'm not sure what it is. But unless it's some sort of feline standing up, I have no clue. But those are the two photos that really impacted me.

Yeah, man. They would impact, I think, anybody. And so you still have this hard drive, right? Yeah, it's on an old MacBook hard drive and an external hard drive. That hard drive, the external one, I still have. I'm not sure if, you know, it's even available to be recovered still. I hope it's still in working condition. But, you know, I haven't looked.

It was just that one photo in there. And, you know, I didn't have an explanation for that eye. But I'm pretty sure I still have that photo, and it's in, you know, recoverable condition. How many pictures do you have? Just that one photo on that hard drive. I only looked at, you know, like the first four in the four or five photos in that first folder, and then the one that was outside.

And then I downloaded the one onto that external hard drive that was not in any other folders, but it was on that first CD and didn't even look on that external hard drive until college, until I started using it for, like, college projects. And suddenly everything came back then, and I was like, okay, this is one that the woman sent to me. And I remember there being an eye. And, you know, I'm very certain that it is indeed an eye, but the thing that bothered me is the pupil.

Yeah, man. I think it would be really cool to see some of these pictures that you have. Yeah, and I've been collecting a few reports locally as well. I think I have a really good one from, you know, around that exact area. And I can tell that. I think that's a really good report if you want to hear it.

Yeah, go ahead. Okay. Well, since I've kind of accidentally stumbled into this, I've been obsessed with figuring out everything I can. And I think the first thing that you need to look at is reports.

You know, I didn't expect expect to come on to the show to talk about anything, but I sent you my experience is because, you know, I consider you someone who has all these reports, and you probably know more than most people, just because of the, you know, the vast amount of encounters you hear from people. But I've really enjoyed tracking down some of these lesson in reports. Like I said, a lot of people, it's kept within the family or no one knows how to come out with it. but my mother was she recently met up with

another friend who recently came back to the United States and they went to high school together and she started talking about some of the stuff that I was doing and Bigfoot came up as one of the subjects of their discussion and this guy says oh yeah my

my grandfather had an encounter that he talked about you know and until the day he died and he swore by it. And I think it's very credible because of not only who it's from, if you knew the guy, he's very credible and, you know, he wouldn't just make up things that his grandfather make up stories for his grandfather. and he's very professional

and another is the time period that it took place in this encounter was from the late 1930s and that's decades before you know all this stuff ended up coming out and you know he wasn't influenced by the Patterson Gimlin film or anything like that so he according to his grandfather

was coon hunting in reclaw Texas in the late 1930s. And he ended up finding what he described as two dead baby monkeys in the woods. And that's a very strange thing to talk about. Another thing that I've kind of said throughout some of these encounters is that you generally try to relate reports to whatever your world's view is. Well, if Sasquatch or Bigfoot isn't something that's commonly talked about in the area, area, if you do see, you know, some sort of adolescent that's dead in the woods, you're

probably going to call it a monkey. That's something that you're familiar with. And he said there were two dead baby monkeys laying in, you know, in some pie needles in this woods on a coon hunting property in Reclau, Texas. But the way he described the condition. kind of made something click for me and he said

well one the head was missing it was like that the head had been you know twisted and pulled right off and the other one was in perfect condition we didn't know how that died and it wasn't until decades later that he realized

what he saw but he always talked about that story until the day he died and it kind of quit from me because there are so many reports up there of deer or dogs, whatever it is,

with the head just missing. And a lot of people theorized, you know, that's how they, they kill prey. They quickly kill prey. And I was like, okay,

well, through studying primatology and everything that I looked into, you know, I know a lot of these ape species can be very territorial. Or they can exhibit behaviors that would,

you know, kind of explain this. And so in my mind, when he told me that, I immediately thought, okay, this was a territorial killing. Now, it's very, you know, it's a big possibility that it could have been, you know, disease or something like that. And it could be easily explainable, the death, but the head was missing. And that didn't make a lot of sense to me. He said, no, there is no anything on the body that would say they were being eaten or anything like that. The way he always describes them was that one was perfect.

They have no clue how I died. And the other, that the head was just gone. And that's one of the better reports that I've heard in the area. And I've been collecting all sorts of stuff. And I have answers for absolutely none of it. What really, you know, it confuses me at the moment is all the dogman reports you get in these sexism. I grew up, no one referred to it as dog man, but being so close to Louisiana, you hear about the roo-gur-roo. And, you know, when I was jogging in middle school and first kind of heard about Bigfoot and the Rougaroo, I was like, okay, Rougaroo is what they call Bigfoot.

and you talk to people and they say no it's it's canine it's you know almost nothing like Bigfoot I just thought it was something they were

missing I was like okay Bigfoot exists they're seeing Bigfoot and then crafting you know another creature around it and a lot of people say no that's not what we're what's happening

and Ruger is actually an anglification of the medieval French word for werewolf, which is Lugauru. And I don't know, that's what's been puzzling me at the moment, but

with kind of experiences like I had when I was younger, it gets kind of weird, and you wonder, it's a slippery slope. You wonder, you know, if this is real, then how much further does it go before, you know,

it's just absolutely unexplainable. Right. It's like what is reality? You know, it's one of those things where, you know, we live in this preconceived reality that we've been told we live in. And then when you start shifting your focus off of what you're supposed to be looking at and you start looking around, you start hearing people's stories and you start putting puzzle pieces together, you start thinking yourself, what is real? what is this actually all about and you know if if i think that bigfoot is real well what else is out there are these dogmen real and i mean personally i believe they are and i don't know what they are but it just really kind of shifts your paradigm to the point where you're like um i don't know what's real

what's not real i don't know what this reality is but uh it's one of those things where either you kind of close the book, you put it to the side and you say, I don't want to touch that. Or you just dive into that wormhole and you take the red pill, you know? Yeah. So Christian, man, I appreciate you sharing these stories with us, man. It's been fascinating. And if you ever come across those photos, if you're able to recover them and stuff, I would love for you to forward them to me and so I could see them.

Very interested. Absolutely. I'll try to locate the, yeah, I remember what the hard drive looks like. I didn't. And we've gone through a couple of moves since, so it could be anywhere, but I'll try to locate that and see if I can recover anything. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, TikTok, email. I don't care how you share the show. But if you enjoyed it, please share the show with your

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