The Confessionals - 198: 198: The Evil Nicky

Episode Date: January 14, 2020

Today we have a two-part show with both Perry and Dan joining us! First, we talk to Perry who details a very scary experience he had as a kid playing hide and go seek with friends. He thought he was i...n the closet with a buddy but it turns out it was something otherworldly. Then we bring on Dan who is a truck driver and happened to cross paths with a bigfoot one night while out in his rig! Become a member: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaI Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter Email: theconfessionalspodcast@gmail.com Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Instagram: @theconfessionalspodcast Tony's Instagram: @tony_merkel Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3 Show art: Ricardo Chucky ( https://www.artstation.com/ricardochucky)

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Starting point is 00:04:25 Now, this week we have Perry coming on the show and Dan. Perry comes on first, and he shares his wild experience of running into like a demon-like entity with his friends when they were kids playing hide and go seek. They all saw it and have seemed very physical to the point that Perry, didn't even realize that this was like a demon entity until something happened that tipped him off. And then we're going to bring on Dan, a fellow truck driver who actually saw a big foot while he was out in the road driving. He's going to come on and share that experience after Perry. So let's get to the show right now. All right. Today we have Perry on the line. Perry, how are you doing, man?
Starting point is 00:05:18 I'm doing excellent. How are you? I'm doing well. Doing well. So you have a very interesting story. When I read through the email and stuff, I was just like, wow, you know, and me and my wife, Lindsay, were talking about it. And it's not every day you get somebody on the line that experienced something paranormal, but yet it seems like it was physical at the same time. So if you could, just kind of walk us into the details of the story. Where were you? What was going on? And how did this all unfold? All right. Yeah. So I can't recall my age. I was really young. Um, it was back when my parents were divorced. My dad was living in Oregon. Um, so I had to be around seven, eight or nine to recall. And so we're out there spending some vacation with my dad.
Starting point is 00:06:00 And so it was just being my sister who's three years younger than me. So I remember my dad's house and we're going to go over to a barbecue at one of his co-worker's house and something that night. And he had two little girls around my age. One was like two years older and the other one was like my age. And the older one was named Nicole. We called her Nikki. And then her younger sister was Samantha. We called her Sammy.
Starting point is 00:06:21 So we went over there for a barbecue one night over there at their house. and stuff like that, and we're playing in the backyard and whatnot. As a night came to a close, you know, we went into the house to go play hide and go seek and stuff like that. And somehow Sammy got chosen to go play to be the seeker first. So, you know, and then we kind of all branched off. And I think there's a couple of kids there with us. So it would have been me, Nikki, my sister, and then like two younger boys, too, that were just family friends and stuff there too. So we all branched off.
Starting point is 00:06:52 And I remember Sammy began to count. And I remember running around the house for a place to hide. And then I just see, you know, Nicole go into her parents' room and kind of get to the closet. And got to take it was dark that time. So, you know, it's in a dark room. It's night outside. So there's not a whole bite in the room. I just see something kind of go into Nicole's parents' room.
Starting point is 00:07:15 I mean, I see Nicole kind of go into her parents' room and into the closet. So I follow her. She's got to know with a good hiding spot. All right. Her house, right? So I follow her. and I'm like, hey, Nikki, can I head with you? And she's like, yeah, come on, here, you sit down.
Starting point is 00:07:29 So I jump in the closet and, you know, get in there. I kind of close the closet door, so Sammy can't find us. And the parents' door is kind of closed at that point, too, to make sure that she's got it, like, find me a little bit harder at the door. So, yeah, so Sammy begins to count and say, maybe you're not here I come. And so I'm just sitting there. I got my knees to my chest.
Starting point is 00:07:51 I'm sitting back at the closet. I got some shoes to my left. and then Nikki is perfectly to my right, like right next to me, right next to me, like an inch or so. And I thought she was key at the time, so I wanted to hide with her, you know, try to work my game at the time. So I was hiding in the closet, and I'm just sitting there, and I finally hear something say, right here, here, not here I come.
Starting point is 00:08:12 And so I'm just sitting there. I got my knees to my chest, and I'm just waiting, waiting. And all of a sudden, I just remember getting this super cool feeling that just rushed around my body, just my entire spine, and everything that got cold. And I just like, well, that's weird. I'm just sitting here and I tap Nikki with my right arm. You know, like when you nudged somebody say like, what's up or something?
Starting point is 00:08:32 So I just remember tapping her with my right arm. Like, hey, Nicky, hey, Nikki. And I just, I get no response with whoever. And then I just sit there and I'm like, well, that's kind of weird. And so I whispered one more time like, hey, Nicky. And all of a sudden, I just get this in like the most deep satanic voice you could ever imagine. Like, it just was the deepest, darkest voice. I just practically shut my pants right there.
Starting point is 00:08:58 And I ripped open that door, like the closet door to get out. And then as soon as I did, Samantha comes in and he like gets ready to open the door. And as she goes, found you. She sees something across the bed because her parents are bed. Her parents bed is like right in the middle and all on the other side of the bed. She sees a figure like jump up and she just screams at the top of her lungs. And by then I'm already like pushing Sammy on my way to get down the hallway. like some freaking out.
Starting point is 00:09:27 And so she's screaming like, there's something in there. There's something in there. She comes to a home. Like, what did you just see? And she's like, there's somebody in there
Starting point is 00:09:34 with a mask on or something like that. And then all of a sudden, like down the hallway. So it's like, Nikki's parents room on the left. And then her in Sammy's room on the right, like perfectly across. I see Nikki come out of her own bedroom.
Starting point is 00:09:47 And that's when I just, just, I had no idea what was going on anymore. And that's when I was just like, I was just hiding with you in your parents' room. She's like, no you weren't. I was like, I was hunting underneath my own bed and I was just like, I swear I was just hiding with you in your parents' closet. She's like, I was in my bed the whole time. And Sammy's like crying at this point and her dad comes in. He's like, what's wrong? What's wrong? She's like, there's somebody in your room with a mask or somebody in the room with a like, what are you talking about? So he goes and searches the room and doesn't find anybody in there. And Sammy said the thing that appeared from across the bed was like had a long white face with a black droopy mouth and black eyes.
Starting point is 00:10:25 And she said it reminded her of a mask from the movie's screen, and it just appeared from the other side of the banner, it was just staring at her. And that's right when I opened the door to get out of that room, because it's when after it said, I'm looking that super deep voice. I was just gone. And I was just like, yeah. So that's kind of what happened. And then the parents searched the room and stuff like that. They couldn't find anybody in the room.
Starting point is 00:10:47 And they didn't know. So they're just like, you know what, let's not play anymore. Let's just go watch the movies and stuff to clear their mind. But I was so traumatized at that point. I remember going home just like sitting with my dad. I had to slip right in the middle between my stepmom and my dad that night. I was just terrified. I could not sleep the whole night because I had no idea what I,
Starting point is 00:11:05 because I physically touched it with my arm, which is the most bizarre point. And then by the time I had opened the closet, it had moved somehow across, through the closet and appeared on the other side of the door. And what was bothered being is that it looked exactly like Nikki at the first point. Because I saw it get into the closet, go into the room, go into the closet, and it looked exactly like Nikki. And then when I saw Nikki come out of her own bedroom, I just was like dumbfounded.
Starting point is 00:11:35 I had no idea what to do at that point. So yeah, that's kind of what happened. And from there, it's been, that's my scary story that I tell all my camping trips and stuff like that. And people are like, have you had any paranormal stuff or anything like that? That's always my dough too. Yeah. Well, I think that's a great go-to to go-to. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:55 So you have this experience in the closet where you tap Nikki, well, who you thought was Nikki. Do you remember ever feeling like when you tapped the person next to you that it didn't feel right or anything? Like, whether it's an intuition as far as after you touched the person or maybe even like the physical touch of it, it felt off? It just, well, there was something there. There had to be something there because it was physical because I could have to do with my arm twice, like boom, boom. Nikki, hey Nikki. And then she didn't respond. And then so finally, I'm like, well, that's weird because I'm freezing cold right now.
Starting point is 00:12:30 And it's like 70 degrees on this house and it shouldn't be this cold. So I tapped it one more time. And then all sounds like, Mickey. And also it's just like in that super deep voice. And I was just like, that's not Mickey. Get the hell out, you know? So yeah, I don't have any intuition feelings or anything like that. But it was something physical because I physically touched it.
Starting point is 00:12:50 And she was perfectly to my right side. I was in the middle and I had like my shoes right to my left of her parents or whatever that was right there. So yeah, super weird. So whatever you saw in the closet, you're drawing the line that whatever you saw was the same thing on the other side of the bed just somehow it got there. Did you ever think that maybe it was two different entities? No, I never thought. No, I don't know. No, I haven't thought that at all. I mean, it definitely could have been. But I think if it's a shifter, it can probably move. or whatever it wants to.
Starting point is 00:13:24 It can just appear here. It look like something and then, you know, continue. But I don't know what its intention was to scare us that bad because I was terrifying. And I didn't know if that house ever being haunted in the first place. I never heard of anything like that. And the kids never told us anything like that. So I don't know. I don't know if they ever had any more encounters.
Starting point is 00:13:42 I'm not in touch with those people anymore or anything like that. But, yeah, that was just a super, super bizarre. Yeah. Well, I mean, when you, you know, you know, scream or when Sam screams, and the parents come in, they search the room and everything like that. Did you ever get a sense that, I mean, obviously you thought about this a lot? Have you ever thought maybe they were just playing a prank on you? Or was the environment of the room when they were searching more frantic?
Starting point is 00:14:07 Like the kids saw somebody in here, we need to make sure that they're safe. Yeah, no, I definitely thought that maybe might have been playing the trick on us. But nothing ever came out of that room. So there's no other parents that came out of that room. and how do you get someone to look like a little girl, you know, that's 10, 11 years old, and to go into a closet? The thing is, I never saw Nikki's face that whole time. I just remember going in the closet.
Starting point is 00:14:33 I see the back of her kind of go, like, go into the room real quick, and then go straight into the closet. And so I'm like, oh, Nikki's going to go hide there. I'm going to go follow her. And so she just sit in the closet, and as I kind of opened the closet, I'm like, hey, Nikki, can I hide with you? And she says, yeah, come on, come on. But I never see her face or anything like that.
Starting point is 00:14:50 she's tucked away in like the corner of the closet. So it was just pitch black back there. And I'm like, all right, and I hear her voice. So I assume it's Nikki. So I just hop down right next to her. And then as soon as she said, I'm not Nikki, I ripped open that closet door and tried to get out room and the same an antho is coming right in at the same time. And she just says, I found you.
Starting point is 00:15:09 As soon as she says that, he just screams because something had appeared across the bed. And something would have, there's no way because I had already opened that closet door. So I don't know how they would have gotten on the other side of the bed had to be in like some type of non-physical entity that could, I don't, I have no idea actually at this point because it went physical and then you know, appeared on the other side of the bed with a different look to it, you know, so. Right. And you know, the thing is with what you're telling us and the situation you found yourself in is that you were hiding with some kind of entity and you touch it, you tap it. it is very physical. Yeah, at the same time, this is some kind of, you know, interdimensional,
Starting point is 00:15:54 whatever entity. So looking back on, I mean, obviously as a kid, when something like that happens and it's like, I'm not Nikki, like, you're freaked out, you're fearing for your life, but looking back as an adult, do you think that there was good cause to fear for your life in that moment? Because if it's something physical where you could touch it, then maybe it's physical enough that could hurt you as well. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Oh, I definitely think so. Yeah, I don't know. I just felt bad that they had to stay the night in the house the rest of the night, you know, because that was just completely bizarre.
Starting point is 00:16:28 And then when I asked Matt about what she saw and she said, it looked like I had a long, white face with a long, droopy black mouth and just black, giant black hole eyes. I'm like, well, that's just great. Like, that scared the hell out of me even more, you know, because I was like, like, if you would have heard this thing's voice, like, it was, it just shent shivers through my entire body. And I was already, I got, just got a random cold feeling all of a sudden. And then that's when I tapped Nikki.
Starting point is 00:16:54 I'm like, that's kind of weird. And then as soon as it said, I just can't even, you know, reiterate how dark this voice was. It was the deepest voice and just vibrated by the whole body. And I'm like, that's definitely not Nikki. And just freaking ripped open that closet door and tried to get other students as possible. So, yeah, so I have no idea what it was at that time. I don't know how to, yeah, I don't know if it's a ghost or if it's just a, like, some type of demon or I have no idea what it could have been. So it didn't try to physically hurt me.
Starting point is 00:17:28 It did, like, grab me anything because I was sitting right next to it. It could have, you know, done whatever it wanted to me at that point, you know. Well, it didn't try to hurt you because you're too fast. This young boy was just too fast. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. You just jet out there light lightning. Dude, I was, man. As soon as I heard that voice, it just scared the hell of me and I just ripped up on the door. But, I mean, it was sitting there with it for at least a minute or so. So it had to
Starting point is 00:17:55 have, it could have done whatever it wanted to me. But the whole time, we never had a conversation or anything like that was in the closet. So the only thing it said to me was, yeah, come on, hurry, sit down, or whatever. So, and that was it. And then the I'm not Nikki part. So So when you heard that, you know, voice come out of that whatever it was, have you ever heard something similar, like on a movie or something that you could say, that's what I heard. That's what I said. That's what it sounded like.
Starting point is 00:18:22 No, I haven't, no, I can't put it to anything that I've seen, you know, and all the movies that I've watched, the horror movies that I've watched, nothing relates to it. I mean, it was the deepest, darkest, it was such a deep voice, and it was just, like, so gargly and terrifying, just absolutely terrifying. always like I can hardly imitate it but it was just like I'm not Nicky just and that was it and then I'm like all right so man well I'll tell you what man I do not envy you in your situation at all there because it would have scarred me big time in fact if I would experience something like that I don't even know if I'd have the guts to do this show so yeah that was terrifying even to this day I mean I think
Starting point is 00:19:05 about that all the time and so I don't know why and that happened like 15 16 17 years ago. So I still don't know what it is. And, you know, my mom used to have a boyfriend back in high school and apparently he had lived in a house where a guy had committed suicide and they would like see his ghost in the house, like the chair would just be rocking back and forth just randomly or they would go to the bedroom and you could see like an outline of a person laying in their bed or something like that. So she said that she's had some ghost figures that she's seen in her life and stuff like that. But I'm just like, but she never saw the physical being. She would just see like random stuff move or a figure of a person laying in a bed and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:19:45 But so I try to put that to what I've seen in what's happened to me. I just, I don't know, because whatever I touched was something physical at one point. And then it just disappeared across the bed unless there was two figures, like you said. And then that's what Samantha saw. But having Samantha see it too just verify that there was definitely something in that room going on. And then having Nikki come out of her own bedroom. that's when I was just like, what the hell? I just don't, it couldn't put it together in my mind, like, what was just going on.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Because I was like, I remember going into the closet because I saw you go into the closet. And I was like, I was just hiding with you. And she's like, no, I was hiding underneath my own bed. And I was just like, oh, just so bizarre. Yeah, absolutely, man. Before we roll on out of here, in the pre-interview here, you had told me that you're a park ranger. And you've only been a park ranger for two years, but you spent two years before that building trails. have you ever experiencing anything weird in the woods?
Starting point is 00:20:42 I mean, you know, obviously we talk about Bigfoot on this show. What are your thoughts on Bigfoot? Yeah. Oh, I'm a huge believer. I want to believe. Yeah, I, you know, I've only had, I think we've only had one weird call, and that was when I was on the trails team, my first year, and that was when someone was hiking out with their two daughters.
Starting point is 00:21:01 And I can't remember the trail, but somewhere in Boulder, headed up towards, like, Allen's Park, and they were hiking down the trail, and they had some rocks thrown at them. And so the mom had thrown one back, and they heard just this gnarly growl. And that's when the mom just kind of, the two daughters just started crying and stuff like that,
Starting point is 00:21:20 and they kept getting rocks thrown at them. And so they just thought it was people messing with them in the forest. And they remember getting that call from the Rangers, and they were talking about it because they had to spread to the trails team and to the forestry team and stuff like that. So I remember hearing about that. But I've personally never had anything happen to me
Starting point is 00:21:36 went a bit on trail. and I'm out in some really remote area sometimes. I had that feeling, you know, like when people say they go hiking and it sounds like there's something else of like stepping next to you or whatever, and so you stop to see if you can hear anything else moving, and then you walk, but it just sounds like you're making more noise than you really are. I get that feeling a little bit and I'll stop and look around, but I've never had to see any big foot things, but that'd be awesome,
Starting point is 00:22:02 but scary at the same time, I'm not sure. Well, you've had enough scary experiences to, last your lifetime with that first one, brother. Yeah, that first one was terrifying. I mean, I've seen a good amount of UFOs out here since I moved to Colorado and stuff like that, but he's not seen any Bigfoot, but he's got to be out there.
Starting point is 00:22:21 I don't know, do you get a lot of people that call him and say they've seen Bigfoot in Colorado? Colorado, you know, I'm not sure. I'm sure I have plenty. I get a lot of people emailing me about Bigfoot, but I'm not sure exactly of all the locations sometimes, but I have, I definitely think that you're in an area that they could definitely be.
Starting point is 00:22:42 I mean, Oh, yeah, absolutely. You're talking about a lot of mountains and things like that where they could definitely be chilling at. Oh, for sure, yeah. Because most of the things I hear of like Washington, Pennsylvania, you know, Ohio, most of like the big main places. But I don't ever hear about big foot encounters out here in Colorado,
Starting point is 00:22:58 but there would definitely be some great places for them to go hide and when they have all the natural resources that they need. Well, you know, that might be something to that, you know, Pennsylvania, I'm not sure about Ohio, but those are states where weed is illegal. And so maybe, you know, people are just really relaxed and chilling they're not worried about what they're seeing in the woods. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's so heavily recreated out here, too, that maybe that's probably another reason why, too. So, because we have so, there's just so many people out of the trails, you know, mountain biking, fishing, hunting. I mean, it's just huge out here. So.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Yeah. So you had some UFO experiences as well. Would you care about sharing that with? us? Yeah, so my first one, and so I had this whole like thing where I moved to Colorado and so I was getting ready for school and stuff like that and I just wanted to learn more about, you know, I got really into aliens and stuff like that and I found like David Wilcock and then with Corey Good and got the secret space program and stuff like that. So I just kept diving further and further into all this research. And I remember going on my back deck one day and I was just hanging out there. We lived in an apartment at the time and I was like on the third floor and had to be in the evening on like 5 o'clock or so. And I remember looking like northwest right over the mountains. And I just see this huge flash, just like a massive flash, just go whew. And it dimmed away. And then I stood there and I kept looking in that direction as it just went away. And then I see this another flash at the same spot.
Starting point is 00:24:26 Just a massive flash, like a huge bright star just going off. And it just goes, and it shines really quick and then kind of dims away again. And then all of a sudden it does it two more times where I get another big flash. and then it slowly dims away and then had like five second between each flash and on the last flash it just does this ginormous flash
Starting point is 00:24:47 and it goes and then it just super quick just is gone and it was the first time I saw anything I was just like well that's super weird and I remember bringing it up to a bunch of my friends and I'm like Perry that's a satellite and Perry this is this this is this and I'm just like I don't think so I'm like that was something
Starting point is 00:25:03 that I've never seen in my life but I know jets don't do that and it was in the same spot but how big these flashes were and then how fast it was just gone like that. I've never seen anything like that in my life. And then I don't know if you remember when we had the blood moon that was like two years ago. Yeah. And I remember being out on my back deck that night and I got like this telescope and everything. And I saw probably three or four that night.
Starting point is 00:25:25 And I saw two big black triangle-shaped ones. And they were both flying south for some reason. They were cruising. So I saw those ones. And they had like just a little dim light on them. like if you wouldn't, if you would have just looked up the sky and not really been paying attention, you would have just seen right through. I mean, not even realized that what they were. So I saw two of those that night. And then about a year, about a year ago right outside my house,
Starting point is 00:25:49 I was over at the park with my dog and stuff like that. And I remember just like looking up because I just love looking up, try to find these stuff. Um, there's massive one. It was just, it had to be like two football field long. It covered my entire park, which is like two blocks long. It was just massive. And it had like, it was in a giant V. You know, like how birds fly, like in a triangle, like geese and stuff like that? They have that V formation. It was just like that.
Starting point is 00:26:15 It had one, two, three, four, five, five super, super dim lights on the bottom of it. So one super dim light at the very point and then two across the left side and then two across the right side in this giant V. And it was just slowly kind of cruising over this whole area that had like some type of like holograming. like holographic thing to it. Like you could just see right through it look like you're just like looking at stars but you could see these big you could kind of see like a reflection of
Starting point is 00:26:44 the holograph, like holographic part of it and then just the super dim lights like honestly if you would have just walked under and not really paid much attention to it you would have just thought it was the night sky but it was just massive massive whatever it was to chip just cruising over
Starting point is 00:27:00 over the park and headed like towards down to Denver area so Wow. Yeah. I'll tell you what. That's cool. That's insane. I mean, first of all, the first one that you were mentioning, and not the light, but the actual craft that you had saw, the triangle-shaped one.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Yeah. Yeah. Would you say it was a triangle, or was it a pyramid shape? I would say, like, more of a pyramid shape. Yeah, it was like a, yeah. Well, I mean, like from my point, it kind of looked like a triangle, but I think it had to have another side to it. Okay. Just from the point we're outstanding from it, but it could have definitely been a pyramid.
Starting point is 00:27:37 But then after I saw that physically, I remember listening to Corey Good, talk about. I don't know if you know who Corey Good is. And he said that the Secret Space Program has had those. And a lot of times, humans are the ones driving those. And those are just something that the public doesn't have any idea of what, that we have re-engineered and reverse technology that craft. And so we are practically just, that's us up there. It's not really any extraterrestrial or alien flying those planes or spacecraft that's most likely humans and stuff like that. But that first one I saw, I don't know if that was human technology or what, because that was just the mass of like a giant star just going off and then going away.
Starting point is 00:28:20 And then going off going away. Yeah, I find all those accounts interesting. But when you said about the triangle one, it popped out my mind because I don't know if you heard about the pyramid-shaped UFO over the Pentagon. in DC last December, December 2018, but it's something that I've been looking into personally because there was at least three different people that filmed the same event on the same night. And then I just came across another video
Starting point is 00:28:47 of this pyramid-shaped UFO over the capital in Moscow, or in Russia, Moscow. And both times these things were hovering over very close to building stuff. It wasn't like high, high up in the sky. It was pretty close. and it was huge and it was rotating on its axis. It wasn't just sitting still.
Starting point is 00:29:07 It was rotating. And you could see the three-dimensional pyramid shape that was rotating. And I just find it very interesting. Obviously, it's obviously interesting seeing something like that. But the fact that it's been seen all over the place and on top of it, you have the idea of the pyramids in Egypt and all over the world where we don't know how they were built, right? But now we see a pyramid-shaped thing flying and hovering in the sky. It reminds me of the movie from back in, I don't know, the early 2000, late 90s Stargate,
Starting point is 00:29:39 because it's all about the pyramid and it comes down. And it's just like this whole idea of a pyramid floating in the sky, I just find so fascinating. That's why I asked you about it. Yeah, when I saw the two of them, they were like cruising, man. Like they were going so fast. Like, they went from north of the south, just in the blink of an eye. And I just remember seeing them just, because I watched him the whole time and just try to keep my eye on it.
Starting point is 00:30:02 both of them. And so the first one passed, and then here comes the second one, and they're kind of just cruising along. But it has like, like I said, like, just that triangle kind of look to it, just cruising along. So what about the V-shaped one? Was it clearly defined as a V-shaped because I personally saw a V-shaped UFO last year myself three times in about a month period while I was driving my truck? And so I've seen the V-shaped UFO. And when I saw it, the very first time I saw but it was actually more of the shape of a checkmark. Like one side was shorter than the other. At least that's what I saw.
Starting point is 00:30:39 I think I saw. Oh, interesting. Yeah, this one looked like to be like almost like perfectly like in a perfect B. It looked just like a giant V and it had some type of cover across it. But it was just so, so massive. It had covered my entire park, which, yeah, like I said, two blocks easily. It had to be like two football fields long because, but it was going so slow that it was It's kind of weird.
Starting point is 00:31:03 And yeah, I just remember just straight, just looking at it. And all I could see was those really those five dim lights on the bottom of it. And that's when I was just like, well, that's some type of craft that's easily just cruising through here and just has, you know, people will never know that there's something directly above them because it's just looks like the night sky. But it's obviously being covered by whatever type of technology they have on it. And it was just massive. But it just looked like a huge ship, just kind of just cruising along the night sky. sky and I couldn't tell how how high it was up in the sky. It didn't look like he was that high, you know, maybe a few thousand feet above us, you know, if that. So. Yeah, so I mean, in other
Starting point is 00:31:43 words, it was, it was kind of like the shape of a boomerang, right? Maybe not exactly. Exactly. You got it. That's exactly it, just like a boomerang. Okay. So how'd that whole experience end? I mean, you just watch just sail off into the night sky or what? Yeah, I just like, well, I was just hanging out, yeah, just right out of the park. And so I just watched it kind of just cruise along. I mean, I probably watched it for a good minute as it crossed me and finally went completely south to where I just couldn't see it anymore. And it was just kind of gone. It didn't look like it was taken off on anything. It was just, you know, low cruise control, you know?
Starting point is 00:32:17 That's what I'm saying. And it was just hanging out. What about the sound? Was it completely silent? Completely silent. I definitely try to listen to the sound and stuff like that dead silent. Just nothing but, you know, just that evening. And it was, you know, more towards wintertime.
Starting point is 00:32:31 So there's not like birds or anything. that late. So, yeah, it was just cruising, no sound. The lights are what gave it off. Those five dim lights, that's really what I noticed, because you could easily kind of point, if you were to focus, you could easily pick out the five boomerang looking lights
Starting point is 00:32:48 that were underneath it in that perfect shape, just super dim and just cruising. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, Perry, man. I really do appreciate you coming on and sharing this experience and stuff. It's definitely one that's very frightening, very frightening, and I do appreciate you sharing it.
Starting point is 00:33:02 Yeah, well, thank you, Tony. Thanks for giving this outlet to not only me, but to everyone else. And it's an awesome show. I can't thank you enough for having it. So, thank you. Well, Perry, thank you very much for being on the show. I really do appreciate it. It was a very interesting story that shared with us. Next up, we have Dan. And before we get to Dan, we're going to play a special promo for Hammer Lane Legends. This is an interview that I did a while back for this show that we've been preparing for. So check it out right now. Hammer Lane Legends promo. Let's go. Obviously, I'm sure you've had lots of different experiences out on the road over the years and stuff.
Starting point is 00:33:48 You've probably seen crazy things. And this show is about people coming on and sharing some of their stories and experiences from the road. And you and I connected on Facebook. And it turns out, you know, a while ago, I think you said it was back in the 70s or something, you actually saw a guy commit suicide while you were driving. What happened there? Well, I was working for a company called Concord Leasing. And anybody from Canada will recognize a name.
Starting point is 00:34:13 And then they went to Concord Transport, and they're gone now. And I was driving a Ford Louisville daycap, and I would load glass for cars out of Scarborough, Ontario, run it down to Finley, Ohio, five days a week, which in a daycap gave me about 3,200 miles a week, which is pretty big week for, you know, I think I was about 20 years old somewhere around there. So occasionally, they would give me a backhaul out of the Detroit area. So one day up near the, I'm not sure of the name of the, where they used to play baseball up there on the east side of Detroit there, around 75 and 94, there was a baseball dime there. And I went into an old warehouse there, and I loaded a load of cow hides. And I was taking that back to Toronto.
Starting point is 00:35:02 And it took me most of the day to load a load of cow hikes. July, August, you know, like a nice summer day, nice, clear, sunny day. So I finally get my load on. I get my customs papers done. And I started heading towards the bridge and a little bit, I was lucky there was a little bit of a line up at the cash box, but not much. I mean,
Starting point is 00:35:20 a matter of a couple of minutes. So I'd start climbing the hill for the Ambassador Bridge, which is a pretty big pull, right? Like I was grossed out. I was overloaded for the States. I was probably up around 90,000 pounds. And I'm pulling up the bridge. And you know, in that scene for the 70s show where Eric's sitting on the hood of his car,
Starting point is 00:35:38 you know, that vista cruiser and that big station, wagon with the second windshield go on the top. One of those goes roaring past me as I'm climbing the hill. I'm up near the top. And, I mean, the reason I noticed him when he had his, when he went past me, he had his foot right to the floor
Starting point is 00:35:54 and with those two barrel carbureters and the exhaust, and it would just hiss as it went past you. I thought, boy, look at him go. So I picked up another gear and I'm climbing the bridge, which is a pretty good pull. And he pulled over in front of me, just hammered the brakes on and pulled over in front of me, And I went, son of a gun, what's he doing?
Starting point is 00:36:12 He put it in park, threw open the driver's door, ran out the side of the car, crossed the front of it, and jumped right off the side of the bridge in front of me, maybe 50 feet in front of me. And the one thing I remember was kind of like the Wiley Coyote cartoons, you know, where he falls off a cliff and he kind of pauses there for a second, then he drops out of sight. Yeah. It was exactly like that, just exactly like that.
Starting point is 00:36:35 He just kind of hung there in the air for like a split second. His arms and legs all spread out in this look on his face that I'll never really forget and just dropped out of sight. And the car door was open. The car was running. What am I going to do? You know, like what do you do? It's not like I can catch him at this point.
Starting point is 00:36:55 So I got in the left lane and I passed them and I went up over top of the bridge and I came down to customs and there was a woman Canadian customs officer there. And she goes, citizenship. And I said, somebody just jumped off the bridge. She goes, what do you mean? I said, a guy right in front of me just jumped off the bridge, goes, we'll take care of it, citizenship, and away I went. So I don't know what it, I would imagine, of course, that they went right up there and, you know, looked for the body and recovered the car. But that's probably one of the stranger things I've seen. All right.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Today we got Dan on the show. Dan, how are you doing, man? I'm doing very well. How are you doing? Doing well, Dan, the man. All right. So you have some Bigfoot experience. you, I guess you're a truck driver like I am, and you saw one of these things one morning.
Starting point is 00:37:56 So why don't you just kind of walk us into what you were doing and had this all unfolded for you? Okay. Yeah. So, like you said, I was a truck driver. I would go through a mountain pass here in Oregon four days a week, usually in the middle of the night. Started that whole area had just weird feelings going up there, you know, if you have to stop and, like, put chains on into winter or something. But didn't really think much about it. happening like I'd be driving and you'd hear howls or growls you know it's kind of stuff of that
Starting point is 00:38:37 nature and I just always put it off to random animals in the woods and uh thrown at my truck which I always I couldn't find an explanation for but I didn't jump in to get more and more common to see deer it was going to be you know flowing down just in case it ran out in the road but I don't even know how to say it man like it just caught me still off guard because it wasn't a man it was just a tall figure probably seven to eight feet I would say and very hairy reddish or two and it was all pretty ratted up and just hanging off the body and what really some reason what really stuck to me or stuck with me was the arm length it just was not a natural arm length they hung down almost maybe about 10 seconds so I guess I by what I was seeing that I didn't even continue to slow down.
Starting point is 00:40:26 Like I was just, and as I got closer, probably within about 25 to 30 feet, it did one jump, and it was gone. I couldn't see it anymore. Off the side of the road is a bunch of rocks, old lava rocks that's not necessarily a place anybody would want to walk through, but that's where it jumped to and it was just gone. I think I probably drove on for another five minutes before I really started processing what it was. I just kept thinking the whole time to myself, the heck was that, that I really just see that for some time. Yeah, I can imagine. So I'm assuming you weren't a Bigfoot enthusiast or anything like that going into this.
Starting point is 00:41:19 It really was just out of the blue for you. Yeah. It's, you know, it's kind of part of the culture in this area. you see it a lot in business names and people have stickers and stuff, but I always just took it as a story, not an actual real life thing. So that was another challenge of this whole thing. It was kind of, in some sense, it changed my whole perception of the world, you know, because you start wondering what else is real. Yeah, you know, and that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:41:54 I mean, I know this kind of interaction with these creatures, especially if you weren't expecting, it can kind of throw your whole world upside down. Did it kind of push you into looking into this topic more, or do you just say, I saw a Bigfoot and I don't want to see it again? Or how is your life affected by this at all? The first few weeks, I did struggle with it a little, and I didn't tell anybody just because I was worried that I'm losing my mind. mind and going crazy. I spend a lot of time Googling and looking, just trying to find stuff in this area, you know, to help express initial thought was I just misidentified something, you know.
Starting point is 00:42:39 I was trying to rationalize what I saw. So when I came, I headed back through that way later that day and I was just trying to, in my mind, I was trying to find like a low-hanging tree branch or something, you know, that would just like, where I could say, hey, maybe, maybe I just was a little, you know, I misidentified this, but I didn't. There was nothing there. It was absolutely clear. This was at 4 a.m. in the morning. It's literally in the middle of nowhere. There's no good reason for anybody to really be out there outside of the vehicle. So I just started, you know, like I said, I looked up on the BFRO, they have their website, and I was trying to find sightings. And I couldn't really find a whole lot.
Starting point is 00:43:30 The ones that I did find were all several years old, like 2006, 2008. And this just happened for me last year in 2018. So it was, you know, there's some time in between that. I just, I was familiar with Wes's show. So I got into that Facebook group, and I was wondering if any of them. anybody else had ever like it because the encounters that I was able to find here in Oregon always described the typic mind was more of an orangutan just quite right but in terms of the color and the fur that's what it came closest to eventually somebody pointed me yeah his TV show or anything so um I talked to him he actually told me that there's a lot of sightings in that specific area um they actually even did an episode just the little ways down the road from where I had my encounter.
Starting point is 00:44:56 So it seems like it's fairly popular. It just doesn't get reported as much, or I didn't have time to write resources to read up on it. But it definitely sparked interest in me. I get torn between wanting to pack up my tent, you know, my hiking gear and go out to myself. I took it as, you know, looking back at the crows and the howls and stuff like that before I actually.
Starting point is 00:45:27 thought, I'm under the impression that it didn't want me around there. Like, that's kind of the feeling I got was this was the last warning type of deal. I'm going to stand here and intimidate you. You know, I'm not, that's the other side of it to where I'm not really sure if it's a smart idea to go wandering out there by myself. Yeah, I mean, when I was, I don't go looking for these things a whole lot anymore. It's just time scheduling kind of thing. But when I was, I was doing it, I typically would go about, or not.
Starting point is 00:46:00 go by myself because, I mean, Bigfoot aside, if something were to happen to me, because I was always going off trail kind of thing and, you know, if something were to happen to me, I need to know that there's somebody there to help me kind of thing. But when you saw this thing and you said that it was in the middle of the road and then with like a jump, it was gone, did it like jump off a two feet or just kind of like leap across the road, like a just like a big, I don't know, galloping leap. I would say it was more like a galloping leap. Yeah, it did it out of a stance. still, but yeah, it was gone. You know, I don't think I've ever seen anything I could compare that movement to,
Starting point is 00:46:41 especially for that size, you know, like I'm a fairly big guy. I'm 6'3, and like I know I definitely couldn't pull off a jump like that, let alone, you know, something that's a good two feet taller than me. And out of a stand, you know, it had to be a good. so I would say. So you said it was kind of like facing you and like I guess the upper body was facing you. Did you get any detail to face at all? It wasn't quite.
Starting point is 00:47:16 It was more of a profile view. Its legs were sideways to me, but it had its upper body turned my way, which that in itself looks like a pretty unnatural way for, you know, for person. But I didn't get too many face. details, none that I remember, can tell you the shape of, it didn't have much of a neck, just had a rounded shape on top of the shoulders. It didn't seem especially wide, you know, a lot of descriptions I hear always talk about wide shoulders, and I didn't really notice that.
Starting point is 00:47:52 It actually looked relatively skinny, I'd say, for the size. But, which the arm length is what really stuck with me. I don't know why that, you know, burned in my mind. much, but just that arm links being so unnatural to me that I kind of, I think that's what I focused on the most for whatever reason. Yeah, you know, it's one of those things where when you're seeing something that isn't supposed to be there, it's not supposed to exist, I think our minds start trying to rationalize and identify what we're looking at. And, I mean, when you see the long arms, it, I hear that a lot. I mean, people say the arms are so long,
Starting point is 00:48:34 it just stuck out to me. And I think it's because it's unnaturally long. There was a really well-known basketball player, you know, back in the mid-2000s, Ben Wallace. And he played for the Detroit Pistons. He was a center and he was only six-nine and that's really short for a center. But what made him so effective was that his arms were incredibly long. And he was very good at blocking and rebounding. And it was because of the arms. Like when you would see him walking, his hands, would be down in his knees. And it's just not natural. And so you notice those things when you look at that guy.
Starting point is 00:49:11 And I imagine it's the same thing when it comes to seeing something like that with Bigfoot. It's just it sticks out because it's not natural. Yeah, and that's, I would completely agree with that. I think that's why it did stick out that way because that's what just really put it over for me of that not being a person, you know, it just was not a natural. The way it stood, the way it jumped off of that road. None of that looked like anything that I've ever seen in an actual human being. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:42 So after starting to look into this a little more, like I said, I couldn't find too much. But about 25 miles up the road, I would often meet with another driver from my company and we would swap over some product, you know, and usually have a quick chat and just hang out for 15 or something. And then we'd each go our ways again. And we'd meet on this travel parking lot just off the highway. And it's still pretty much in the middle of nowhere. You know, it's smacked it in the woods. And I never told him what I had seen before. But he was always nervous on that parking lot.
Starting point is 00:50:26 It creeped him out. And, you know, me after having seen this, I kind of try to be a little more aware of what's going on around. me now too, just because, you know, I never know, I guess. But we started, so we'd meet there about three times a week, and we just started noticing stuff happening there, too. Usually just noises around us. And then one morning, very obviously something was knocking in the woods just the little ways away from us. And the way we were positioned where our two trucks were parked
Starting point is 00:51:06 next to each other, and we were standing in between them talking. And we'd hear these knockings going on, and you know, maybe 100 feet away from us. And I'd walk around the truck and I'd take a peek around, you know,
Starting point is 00:51:22 trying to see if I can see what's going on, if there's somebody there or what, and I never saw anybody. And then we'd go back around the truck, you know, continue talking, and it would start up again. And at the time, I didn't notice it right away, but I was, my curiosity got the better of me. And I started walking straight to the woods because I was just, you know, intrigued. I'm kind of like, you know, what the heck is this? And I got to about within 50 feet of it. And that's when I started realizing,
Starting point is 00:51:55 like, hey, this actually is trying to lure us away from our vehicles, because it would only We'd only hear the knocking when we come out in between our vehicles. So I decided it's probably best to, you know, knock on wandering in there and I walked back and this continued for a good 10 minutes or so. And we finally said, okay, it's probably time to leave. And once I started looking into that, there's a native reservation about 30 miles away from that spot. And it's the Plateau Indians, as is what they're called here.
Starting point is 00:52:32 and they talk about stick Indians. And in their version of it, it's a bad spirit in the woods that essentially lures people away. And then oftentimes they're never seen again. Try to contact the tribe, you know, and kind of get some information on this just for myself. But they're not too friendly to outsiders. Good luck. Yeah, they don't respond later on stories, too, that sometimes people, that go on to the reservation disappear.
Starting point is 00:53:10 And I mean, this is all hearsay. I don't know how much is factual, you know, but it does make you wonder if it could be related. I've heard of them. And they seem to basically, I guess, the general description of these things is they're, they're benevolent and extremely dangerous. You hit it right on the head with the, the forest spirits, because, you know, it's, it's one of those things where I think it's about culture.
Starting point is 00:53:37 and so the culture of the tribes, they, you know, they're very spiritual. And I think that's how, you know, I say it on the show a lot. You know, people experience things, but it depends on what their worldview is as to how they describe that experience. And you have two different people experiences some of the exact thing, but they describe it differently because their worldviews are different. And I think you have a lot of that when it comes to the Native American stories and lore. Do you still work for that company? Um, no, I stop. I quit a few weeks back. It was unrelated, but I got a new job now. So I'm not heading out there as much anymore. Yeah, and I bet you're glad about that. What did the guy say, uh, when he was there with you and you guys were hearing the noises and stuff? Was he like scared? Was he, did he have any ideas or suggestions as what could be? No, he didn't doubt about it. Like, he got, you know, he was very uncomfortable, wanted to get out of there. Me, um,
Starting point is 00:54:39 something like I say, curiosity gets the better of me sometimes. You know, I always joke if I was in a horror movie, I'd probably be the first to die because I'd be the idiot that goes looking in the basement. He was making a noise, you know?
Starting point is 00:54:51 But, um, yeah, he just wasn't comfortable. And later on, when we'd meet in that lot, he just, he always complained about it.
Starting point is 00:55:00 You know, he always, said we should find a better spot. But it was just the company dictated that that's where we should do our product swaps and stuff because it wouldn't be disturbing anybody early in the morning. You know, you're out there by one thing that happened probably within two weeks of those knocking in the wood in that whole episode. I got there early and I was waiting for the other guy to arrive and I saw a sheriff car pull up.
Starting point is 00:55:33 in an SUV just on the other side of the road and the deputy got out, had his flashlight on, and was looking around, shining on the ground, going off the path a little and looking around. It seemed like he was looking for tracks to me. I might be biased just because of that experience.
Starting point is 00:55:55 He could have just been looking for something else, but it struck me as pretty weird. He was out there by himself. He didn't have his lights on, you know, it's just sirens or anything. You just stopped, got out and had to look around for about 10 minutes and then got back in his SUV and drove off. You wonder, you know, what that was all about if maybe he knew something.
Starting point is 00:56:21 Yeah. I would have liked to gone up to him and asked him, but it just didn't seem like a smart idea to approach him in the middle of the dark, you know, in the middle of nowhere. Well, I'm a nosy kind of guy, I guess, because whenever I see a cop, like, I always like say hi and stuff. And I've been known to walk up to cops and just strike up a conversation. Like, they're not even on duty working. It's like they have time to talk to me. But I definitely, knowing me, I would have gone over like, hey, what are you looking for? That's just how I am. I really wanted to, like I said, it didn't seem like the best time to do it.
Starting point is 00:56:57 Yeah, especially that early in the morning. I'm sure he knew you were there. I thought you were to say he pulled in to say, you know, what are you doing here kind of thing? Because you're out the middle of nowhere. I was thinking, when you were describing it, I was like, man, that sounds like a good spot where, you know, drug exchanges could happen. Yeah. And, you know, I actually saw, I don't know if it was the same deputy, but the sheriff's cars would pass by there on a fairly regular basis. I always assumed, you know, maybe one of them just lives down the road there or something, because there are some spread out houses and, you know, five miles down the road or so. So I've seen them drive by several times. It was just the first time
Starting point is 00:57:36 that I actually witnessed I'm getting out. And he was looking for something clearly. You know, I can't speak to what it was. But, I mean, obviously, you know, just get out and walk around just to, you know, get your exercise in, I'd say in that area. Yeah. Now, is this something that you talk about with friends and family and tell them what you saw, or do you kind of keep it quiet to yourself? I told my wife before anybody else.
Starting point is 00:58:03 and I did share it with a former co-worker. He himself is part of a native tribe. He's native. And so he's got some insight from his tribe, you know, but he's from South Dakota as well. So it was interesting because he's had an encounter or at least something happened in when he was a kid. He'd tell a story about riding his dirt bike into woods with his friend. and when they were stopped, something was throwing rocks at them
Starting point is 00:58:37 and being the young kids, they were, they thought it was a game and somebody was messing with them, you know, so they would pick them up and throw them back. And then he says that he started hearing movement
Starting point is 00:58:49 and the rocks kept coming closer and closer and movement came closer and closer and they eventually just got spooked and took off out of there. But he's a little more open-minded, you know. So I would talk to him a little and then outside of that, I don't really share too much. I do, you know, I'm in some Facebook groups.
Starting point is 00:59:10 I'll talk about it. Like, I'm in your fan page and LES and sometimes we'll share our experiences or thought. You know, not to be mistaken, I'm nothing of a researcher or anything like that. For me, it's mostly I just want to find out some stuff and learn some stuff for myself, you know, because it is very interesting. after coming to terms that I have seen something, I do want to know as much as I can about it. Yeah, and that's natural, I think. I mean, when you have something that shifts your paradigm and shifts how you view the world and makes you start questioning what else is out there, what is going
Starting point is 00:59:48 on, you do look into things and you start, because you're looking for answers and stuff. I think that's a natural thing. But I'll tell you what, Dan, I appreciate you coming on and sharing that story because it's very interesting. It makes me wonder, you know, it's one of those things where why did it stand in the road and wait for you to get to it? Because it's the middle of the night, not a lot of traffic. It could have waited to cross the road until you passed or passed sooner. But the fact that it stood in the middle of the road, saw you come in and was, you know, turning its upper body towards you. It makes you wonder why it does that because you hear people talk about how, you know, these things are elusive and they don't want to be seen. They're very smart.
Starting point is 01:00:30 well, if they don't want to be seeing, it seems like that's a very dumb thing to do. So it just makes you wonder why. Yeah, that's exactly where I was, too. And, you know, this is all uphill. So I drove a refrigerated truck, you know. So you got the truck working hard to get up the hill making a lot of noise. You got the reefer unit on top of it making a lot of noise. And there was no traffic at all.
Starting point is 01:00:54 Like I said, it's uphill, you know. It's a wooded area. So that thing would have literally heard me coming from a mile. away. And it wasn't crossing the road when I saw it. It was standing there and I felt like there was an intent behind it. That's why I kind of took it as, I think it was an intimidation thing, is my impression of the whole thing.
Starting point is 01:01:19 I think it just got annoyed with me coming through there so often, you know, and making noise and possibly, I don't know, maybe I was disturbing a hunt or just asleep or whatever. I don't know. Maybe it was part of that local Bigfoot gang and it was getting initiation. Yeah, maybe. It's like, maybe playing a game of chicken. Yeah. You want to be part of the gang?
Starting point is 01:01:41 You got to show yourself to the humans. Go stay in the right. All right. Who knows? Yeah, man. Maybe they're just as silly as we get. Oh, you never know. I mean, you hear all these different stories and stuff.
Starting point is 01:01:55 And, you know, it's just like, it does seem like they're elusive. It does seem like they don't want to be seen. But then there's stories like yours that just it goes against everything that you think about these things and it just makes you wonder why. And that's a question that you'll probably have forever because we're never going to really know the answers I don't think. Yeah. No, I agree. That's kind of a little bit of the frustrating part too, you know, for me, because I don't know. I'm the type of person I want to know why things happen.
Starting point is 01:02:25 You know, several years ago, my wife and brother-in-law were sitting outside and we saw some random lights in the sky too. And that just, that followed me forever, too. And, you know, I'm constantly trying to figure out what it was. And doing Google searches gets frustrating because it doesn't seem like anybody else saw it. And, you know, like, how am I the only person or how are we three the only people that saw us? And what was it? You know, why is nobody else talking about this kind of? Yeah, it's those things, man.
Starting point is 01:02:54 They shift your paradigm. They shift the way you view things. And, you know, the UFO phenomenon is something that is, uh, is grubly. actually. There's more UFO sightings reported every year. It seems like this is something that's becoming more of an issue than less. To the point that our government's military is now looking into UFOs and at least to the point where they're allowing their soldiers to come forward and share what they saw because I think the government's trying to figure out what's going on as well, which is kind of a scary thing because we often assume that they already know and they're just not
Starting point is 01:03:29 telling us, but the fact that they're telling the soldiers that come forward and share what they saw, it kind of leads you to believe that they're not quite sure what's going on, they're trying to figure it out themselves. And that's kind of concerning. Yeah, I agree. You know, and if you look at his time and money, they spent back into the 50s and 60s to look into stuff like that, you know, like you said, it kind of makes you wonder a little and worried that they're not all knowing either and all powerful as we tend to just put our trust in them. Yeah, I think that we have a situation where, you know, not one person in the government controls everything. I mean, people glorify the position of the president. Oh, this person is going to be able to change the world or this person is going to tear everything apart. The government's very compartmentalized. And it takes a lot for things to get done, but also at the same time, it takes a lot for information to spread and for everybody to know about it. And so, though I think that there are people within, uh, the shadows, at least, of the government that are more in clue and check of what's going on.
Starting point is 01:04:35 I think the generalization of the government or the general military, I don't think they quite are aware of what's actually going on out there. And so it's one of those things where... Yeah, it's just compartmentalized, I think. But Dan, I appreciate you coming on and share, man. I really do appreciate the talk. Yeah, and it wasn't my pleasure. I've been listening to your show for a while, it's good to talk to you and look forward to listening to more episodes to come. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, TikTok, email, watercoolers, mail, pigeons. I don't care how you share the show. But if you enjoyed the show,
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