The Confessionals - 224: Pennsylvania's D.U.M.B. | Raven Rock

Episode Date: April 14, 2020

In Episode 224: Pennsylvania's D.U.M.B. | Raven Rock, we talk with guest Merle, who has spent four years of his life commuting in and out of a Pennsylvanian deep underground military base known as Raven Rock. Merle was contracted in as a truck driver, and - although he didn't gain access to the secretive fifth level of Raven Rock - he had some very strange experiences in the complex, especially with a human hybrid named "Thom." After detailing his experiences inside Raven Rock, Merle describes to Tony his experience seeing the same exact UFO that Tony also witnessed while driving down the turnpike one night, just outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.BECOME A MEMBER AND GET ADDITIONAL SHOWS: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinNeed A Professional Therapist? Visit: www.betterhelp.com/confessionals Subscribe to our YouTube: bit.ly/2TlREaI Subscribe to the Newsletter: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: bit.ly/2HxNcw3

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face.

They basically decapitated. And I look over and there are two small gray entities. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody you're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is the Confessionals at

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And Merle's an interesting guy because he actually is a fellow trucker like myself. And he contacted me and told me he had some experiences with an underground military base in Pennsylvania. But that's all he would tell me over email. And so when I called him, I had no idea what we were going to get into. but we actually got into an underground military base that I knew about, and we had a good conversation about him working in there as a truck driver. It was a very interesting conversation. And then after that, he talks to me about some things that he has seen in the sky

that has confirmed some things that I have told you I've seen in the sky, and we're going to get into it right now. All right, today we got a great guest coming on the show. Merle, how you doing, man? Good. I'm doing good, man. So you're a fellow Pennsylvaniaan, yeah? Yes, I am. I live in a town called New Bloomfield. It's about 30 miles north of Harrisburg.

Okay. You said 30 miles north? Yeah. Yeah. North west, yep. Gotcha. So that's from where you're at to Williamsport where the Little League World Series is probably what an hour drive? Yeah, exactly. Hour and five minutes. Gotcha. From South Williamsport, yep. Yeah. Go up there every year. Oh, do you? I mean, it's really the only, it's really the only, it's really the only, time that you're going to have Williamsport, Pennsylvania be on a national global spotlight,

right? So I mean, it's so funny that that small little area gets so much attention on ESPN and stuff every year. But it's, I bet it's good for the economy, so good for them. But it is. So listen, Merrill, you have some different experiences here. We're going to talk about some paranormal stuff later, but what we want to start off with is the deep underground military base is also known as Dums in Pennsylvania. Now, before you get going on anything that you've experienced, I want to let the audience know that when you emailed us, you told us that, you know, you have these experiences, but you didn't get into details and you don't want to get into details on the email. You wanted to do this, you know, over for the recording itself. And so I understand that, but I want to let people know that

what you're going to tell us and stuff is something that I have, I have no idea where this is going, but the fact that we're going to be talking about deep underground military bases, I am always down for that. I've talked about it on the show before as far as my interest in these things, especially in Pennsylvania. And I'm just interested to hear what you had to say. So what is your knowledge? What is your experience with these things, man? Okay. Well, to start off with, I was working for a trucking company, a national known truck company. Can I say who it was? Oh, for sure. Old Dominion Freight Line. Okay, LTO. And I, yeah. And I worked for them for about three years before this

happened. I was I was basically summons to my boss's office one day and we went into a conference room. There was two guys sitting across from me and they didn't ask me, they told me. They said, you're going to be doing

this run starting next Monday. I would, I would, they said, this is your route. They read me everything. They said, this is how you go down. you have any issues? This is the number you call.

This is the contact that you get to get a hold of. Do this immediately. Don't stop. Don't do nothing. And they knew more about me than I knew about them. And I didn't understand this at the time. And I didn't understand what I was getting myself into either. I didn't know that.

And the place I was going to was called, it was called by two different names. It was either Raven Rock or Sider. my gosh. All right, before you go any further, my friend, you and I talked before we started recording and I told you about two other people that contacted me about this location. It was Raven Rock and it was SiteR. They both referred to it as Site R and they both worked inside and one of the guys actually works in the Pentagon and was, I guess, operating somewhere in Site R during 9-11. Five levels below the ground. I'm telling you, man, I have. had a feeling you're going to say this i i got chills i'm excited go for it brother okay now

when when when when i i didn't i didn't have much of an option to agree to it they told me what i was doing like and i you know and as in the job trucking industry you just do as you're told i didn't understand i i didn't understand what i was getting myself into like i said before i got there okay i i had to pull in pull into a it was like a garage. I didn't have a

concrete billabong to where I couldn't just drive through. That billabong would stop me. I got out. Now this happened every time that I went in there. Okay. I would get out. I would pop my hood.

I'd open up all my doors. I never opened up to the trailer door. I never knew for four years, I never knew what I was holding in there. Never seen it? Nothing. Okay? I was not allowed to take a radio in,

a CB, cell phone, no electronics, no GPS, no nothing. I had to leave that all outside if I even carried it. Now, when I got there, they would do the mirrors underneath the trailer and everything. Then they'd come by with whites, and they would,

take like a rag and they'd wipe my truck in certain areas. I don't know what they're looking for. I, you know, but that was the initial process. Once they did the inspection

of my truck, I'd have an armed guard. He had a Mac 4, I guess that's what they call it, an M4, and a 9 millimeter armed. Now there was, he was sitting next to me in the passenger seat. We had

an MP. Actually, it was a Pentagon Police, Capitol Police. He would escort us down to the door. The door would open. It was a, I don't know what kind of I think it might

have been like steel or metal or it may have been lead, but it was about a foot and a half thick. And I backed into this tunnel into the mountain, into a mountain and I'd get back about 30 feet, probably about 50 feet, about the length of the truck and it would open up to a two bay loading dock and I could hit one of those dogs. I was inside the mountain and when that door shut for the first time, the guy, my arm guard

looked at me and said, you're a lucky man. I said, why am I a lucky man? He goes, because if shit goes down right now, you're the one that's going to live. I said, really? I said, I didn't ask no questions because I was a little intimidated at first. Okay, because I'm backing into a mountain and I know it's a military base. He said, come with me. Well, we walked down the hall. We went to the cafeteria.

This was every day that we did this. In the cafeteria, there was a, like, a little lounge area where you can watch TV and things. And that's where we would hang out at. I was there all day. I was there eight hours all day. Okay. And when I was walking down for the first time, I've seen this. It was like a fish pond.

Okay. There was water running into it, and there was fish in it and stuff. And I didn't understand what that was, but here they explained to me it was called oproponics. And back down, this was, no, you got to. realized, I mean, this was like 12 years ago, 15 years ago, that this happened. Alcuponics was not even on the charts at the time. That's where fish fertilized plants, and they just filter the water down through. It's a sand-based, it's a sand-based, a sand-based filteration for the plants, and the fish

people would fertilize the plants, and that's how they grow their vegetables inside. inside the facility there and they would feed the fish and they were all like tapula you know there's thousands of fish in this pond thousands of them and I asked questions about it

after a couple weeks I was like so what's this irrigation system you got going on here well here it was a mountain stream water it was underground stream that went float into the mountain And they just channeled it right into this pond area. And they would grow their own vegetables in there and everything. And now, if you were inside this space, you really wouldn't be able to tell that you were outside or inside.

You don't even if it was just inside a regular building. You know, because it wasn't like, even though we were inside a mountain, everything was driveled up or, you know, everything had a, a hard wall to it. You know, you couldn't really tell what, you know, if you were out, just in a regular building. You were just, it looked like you were in a regular building. So it didn't have like a dungeon feel to it.

Exactly. It was very, very open. Now, Sider, you got to, for your listeners, site R is right on the other side, just north of Camp David. When the president flies into Camp David, he's at Sider. Sider is what protects Camp David from the north.

Okay, so that's the military basin. And later to find out, five layers below ground level is the little Pentagon, they call it. People think door 9-11, oh, that hit candy was below the White House. No, Dick Cheney was in Sider. Because it's only a 40-minute live by helicopter from Washington, D.C.

So this little Pentagon, are we talking about literally a Pentagon-shaped structure inside Sight-R? No. Okay. No, the little Pentagon is the war room. Like you would, when Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, when they did the raid on's, Saddam Hussein or not Saddam Hussein Osama bin Laden

Yeah You remember that room that they were in That's basically what A war room would look like Gotcha But there was also like computers and stuff Everything that you would You know to where the military

Like the special forces Could communicate back to these people Out in the field You know So there's there's there's uh there's a no i i i was never in that place i was told now my contact when we got inside the building was a gentleman his name was thom and hold a second did you say thong as in like underwear thong no thom like tom oh with an age i got you okay i thought you said thong i was

like okay somebody somebody drew the short straw no but this guy here Now, this, this, this guy here was a strange dude. Okay. He was like, he was like 6, 8. He probably weighed about 170 pounds. And he looked like he lived underground. He could walk through walls, man. He was at white.

Okay. He had no pigmentation to a skim and all, man. None. He was white, white. white, white. Okay, and I made the mistake of calling him Tom. And he was very, very strict, very strict forward. He goes, my name is Tom, right?

And I was like, oh, you know, sorry. You know, I was like, sorry, you know. And here, I asked him later on about a year into our relationship. I said, I said, is Tom like a Swedish name? And he was like, you know, he just like, you know, like, you know, like, blew it off. I guess he was like, yeah, you know, but he just like blew it off.

And I was just trying to get the origin of this guy. He was very, you know, he was very nice. And what was so strange about Thaum was he would always come down every day. And he would sit with us in the break room. We were in the lunchroom. You can eat whatever you want. No charge. You know, they had like four or five different meals set up for you if you wanted to.

You got a sound bar, whatever. You know, it was a nice, you know, it was a nice facility. But Thaum would come down, he would sit, he would stand there and he'd talk to us, and he always had a bottle of water with him. Okay. But it was always an unopened bottle of water, and he would like, he would talk with it. You know what I mean by that? He would like, when he talked to, he would like, point it.

You're like, it was this pointer. And he would never, he would never, it was never open, this bottle. And he would stand there and talk first two, three out. you know and he would never open this bottle of water and I always thought that was a little strange okay and um and you know nothing really nothing really that I don't consider that strange it was just that he it was just something that he did you know that it was part of his nature he always had this bottle of water with him well the one day I showed up and and I couldn't call off they didn't accept that. I had to go to work.

Well, I showed up to work one day, and I was sick. And I was really sick. And I got out of my truck and my armed guard. I said, wait a second. I said, I got to go over. And I went over and I threw out. He said, oh, you ain't feeling good. I said, no, man.

I said, you know, I really ain't feeling good. And I went in and he said, go in there. on the couch and lay down, you know, do whatever. So I went in and I was like, oh, you know, I was just wiped out. Well, Tham came down and he had this chicken broth with him. Okay. He said, here, he goes, I heard he ain't filmed good. Here's some chicken broth.

Okay, and I drank this chicken broth. And I, and Tony, within a matter of five minutes, I was, I was sleeping. Okay. I woke up like four or five hours later. I had a blanket over me and a pillow, and I was stretched out on this sofa. I woke up, I felt a thousand times better. Matter of fact, this was a Tuesday.

I went home, and I didn't go to bed until Friday night. You heard me correctly. Wow. I didn't go to bed until Friday night. So we're talking about you stayed up for days. Huh? You stayed up for days. Yeah.

That's how good I felt. Wow. I went home. I went home. Now this happened on a Tuesday. Okay. I went home and my wife said, oh, you're feeling better. I said, I feel great.

I said, I feel fantastic. And I just stayed up all night watching TV or playing video games, you know. And I went to work the next day. Now, I didn't go down there every day. I went down on Monday and then on Tuesday I get down to Aberdeen Poolema grounds and take down an empty trailer

and pick up a loaded one okay and then I come back I get down there on Wednesday and then Wednesday I get back I take my empty trailer down Thursday pick up a loaded one come back and then deliver one on Friday this was my routine

every week for four years now on Friday they had another driver bring my trailer up for Monday it was it was waiting for me when I got back to the yard on Friday I would hook up to it and I'd take it over to the mechanic shop

and I'd park it in the shop all weekend and then Monday I'd head down just a repeat a repeat cycle now another strange thing that happened and this is

This is what really, really, really freaked me out. Just one part of it. My son at the time was, he was about seven. He was about six or seven, and he was into wrestling. And right on the other side of Jacks Mountain is a town called Wainsborough. Wainsborough had a youth elementary wrestling tournament. And I was one of the coaches for my son's team. Well, I went down there, and lo and behold, there's thumb standing across the mat from me.

Right? And I, my son was wrestling, and I was more involved with him wrestling, and then his match got over with. And I was just standing there waiting for him to come back over, and I just, like, I just, I had my arms crossed, and I just, like, took my hand and waved at thom. right to acknowledge you and so I did was try to acknowledge him and like I said he had this bottle of water

in his hand and he he kind of looked away from me and what and I guess he realized I don't know what he I don't know what his why he did this but he

plays back at me like real quick with a dead cold stare I mean it was like and Tony, this is the only time that I got really, really, really freaked out. When he was standing there, he looked like it looked telling him. Ah, here we go. See, dude, oh, man, talk to me. I swear, I swear to God, he looked like a prey of manus. Because when he turned away from me, okay, did you ever see a prayer manor?

head. Yeah. Like, it's like, it slopes down and it goes out to like a little bit of a, like a little bit of a snout and comes back in. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. That's how his face look when he turned, he turned sideways and then he glanced back at me. And he, and he gave me a cold, dead scare, stare right at me.

And I was like, oh, my God. You know, you know, I, and. My wife even noticed it. And on the way home, I didn't say nothing to my wife. I just blew it off. I was like really freaked out about it because it was just the way he looked at me. You know what I mean? I wasn't expecting that reaction from me.

I was expecting like a wave or a nod of the head or something like that, right? Well, on the way home, I said, my wife says, who was that tall guy that you waived at? I said, that was Thorn from Raven Rock. I said, I wasn't expecting his reaction to me that way. I was expecting, you know, to him to come over and say hi. Just an acknowledgement of, he goes, he was really, really, really icy to you. And I was like, yeah, I said, I wasn't expecting that, man. Right?

And we like, we, we didn't, I didn't discuss much more with her because I was, I was told not to discuss anything that I saw inside there, any people I met, anything. I went in there on Monday. Now, this was Saturday. I went in on Monday. And Tham read me the Ryan Act. Okay. And he said, he said, if you ever see me in public again, don't you ever acknowledge me. He goes, ever.

I said, well, I really didn't. acknowledge you. I said, I just, you know, waved at you. And we went back and forth for a couple minutes. I wasn't trying to be argumentative with him, but I was just trying to, you know, to stay on my ground with him. And then he was leaving, he was going to leave. He was about ready to leave the lounge area, and he turned around and he pointed his bottle of water at me. And he said, and don't you ever discuss me with your wife again? Wow. And I was like, like, wait a second. I was like, wait a second.

We were in Shippinsburg when I was telling her about you, man. You know, I didn't say that to him. I'm thinking this. You know, I didn't say nothing to him about discussing, discussing him with my wife. But he knew that I told my wife. I don't know how he knew. But that's the only, that's the only strange encounter I had with anybody there. at Raven Rock, but like an hour later, he came back like nothing happened.

Like nothing happened. And this, and I'm telling you, Tony, as God is my witness, when he looked back at me, I was looking at a human praying maness. And it just, it freaked me out to the point where I was like, okay, I got it. You know, I got to, you know, I got to get my life in order, man. You know what I mean? I was like, this ain't cool. You know, and I never, I was dealing with this guy for three years,

and I never noticed these features on him before. You know what I mean? You can look at a person for three years, and they look normal. And then the one time that you offend him, his whole, his whole shape of his body changes. Yeah, it's almost like there was a alien praying man a manis that was wearing a thom suit. You know, like the movie, yeah. Well, I mean, if you and, and oh, I, I forgot to mention that when I was described in his head. He, he, when he turned and looked at me, his right elbow talked back, like, like, you know, like, almost like.

like a, like how a prey man is being standing there looking at you. Like, you know how they have like their, their one leg cocked back? And it's like at a 90 degree angle. Yeah, was it like sticking out to the side or was it cocked back like to behind him? Behind him. Okay. Behind him. When I was looking at him, I was looking at a praying manis.

A 6'4 8 praying manis. That's all I can describe it as. Well, it was never, it was never, he was never, he was. never threatening in any way, shape, or form to me, you know, except for that one, that one encounter in the, in the lounge when he told me, you know, don't you ever acknowledge me ever again outside? This is, you know, I, he went on about the spew of, this, this, this site is a very top secret installation. I said, well, you know, everybody in their brother knows about it, you know, that lives in this area, man.

You know, you know, and that was my defense to him. I was like, well, everybody knows that you guys are here. And he goes, well, you know, people don't know who works in here. Because I guess a lot of them come from D.C. And, you know, I don't think they hired a lot of locals down in that area. No, no, you don't. But other than that, I mean, like, I, I, I, I've seen the control room and stuff.

Like, I only went down two levels. And the second level was just like office buildings. Like, like, um, you know, like they had like the, uh, the partition walls. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, there's people working at their computers and stuff like that. That's, you know, and it just look like a regular office building, you know, it's, you know, if they would have windows, you can look outside and see the car is going by and stuff. but didn't have no windows.

Hold on a second. Are you saying there was windows you can see cars outside? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, okay. No, it was almost like an office to where if it did have windows. Gotcha. You could, you know, it looked very normal. You know, it was, and there was a lot of people that worked in there,

but I didn't see no cars or any, you know, I don't know how they, you know, they must, I don't know. I don't know how they got there. You know, because there was down to the second level, there was probably 50, 60 people working there. You know, in an office environment. And up top, you had all your logistics. You know, you had your shipping clerk and you had your forklifts and you had your cooks and your dishwashers and your, you know, it looked like. business as usual, you know, on the first, on the first level, on the second level, it was,

you know, the office building. But they had like the maintenance man. He would come by and, you know, he would, he would be cleaning out the fish filters and stuff like that. And, you know, and taking the garbage out, you know, it was a very normal, it looked very normal, but you're inside a mountain behind a foot and a half the work. Yeah, well, I'll tell you, I mean, when it comes to Raven Rock and the people that work there, I've thought about this before. I've looked at Raven Rock a ton on Google Images and stuff, the whole area. And I've been talk, I've talked to some people about this location. And one thing that I'm pretty sure happens is they bust people in, I think, and I also think that people that work there on a, at least,

the people that are there on a very permanent basis and have, you know, real, maybe not the second level people, but maybe people below that. I think that they, they kind of live there and they are there most of the time, you know, I don't think it's like one of those jobs where you go home at night, but I think that they are busing people in because there is not a lot of parking. And you know that. I mean, if you, if you've been there and stuff, you know that, like driving up that road and stuff, it's a, it doesn't, this is not like a, hey, we're right off the expressway kind a place. Like you're driving through the middle of nowhere. You're passing homes and things like that. And all of a sudden, you're coming up on this facility where these, from what I saw, what I see on

Google images, there's these two giant doorways that go into the mountain. And are you saying that that's where you backed into? I backed into the very first one. But you know what was so you want, you want to know something about that, Tony. Of course. That, that, that road that would take you down to the main archways, but that's what they call them the archways. You can't see, you can't see what, what's going on from Route 16.

That's, that's the route that goes in front of it. But what, like you were saying, it's very, it's out and open. Okay, there's,

there's a freaking golf course right in front of it. You know what I mean? And ski liberties right there. You know, I think it's ski liberty. It's one of the, ski resource it's right there right across the street you know and they got like a barbecue shack

and stuff right there you know and it's right out in the open i mean if you didn't you could you could drive if you were from that area you could drive past that place and not even and just say oh look at the mountain it's a military base the whole the whole mountain yes the whole mountain you know and you can't You can't see the roads or the archways from the road. They cut the road to where when I would pull up, you're a truck driver. When I would pull up, I would have to blindside in. And it really wasn't a hard blindside. It was just, you know, I'd pull up and I would just angle my truck at a 45.

and I'd back into the, I'd back into the archway and I'd go back about 50 feet and then I can go either to the left or to the right to dock. But you, when you're looking back, you're, you can't see, you can't see none of Carroll Valley. That's what, that's the name of the valley that, that's it's called Carroll Valley. You can't see none of it. They have it, they have it graded to where it can't. camouflage is what's going on. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

What's going on at ground level? It's camouflage. You know, and when you look at this on like Google Maps, which I'm doing right now, I'm looking at it on Google Maps, there, I've always thought that it seemed like there was a, if you, if there was a territory, like a lining, like a line that marks the area they cover, it's almost like there's a circle going around the area and it's this road, obviously. but when you zoom out, you look at it from the sky. There's a very clear like circle going around this area where Raven Rock is.

And that's for me outside looking in. I'm like that looks like the boundaries, the territories, the territories of the area that they're covering. And, you know, on the surface, to be honest with you, it's not that big on the surface. I mean, we're probably talking about maybe half a mile or something like that. But it goes deep. It goes five levels deep. And I think the deeper you go, the weirder it gets, man. I think the weirder it gets.

No, Tony, I think it goes the whole length of that mountain. There's only certain, certain access points up. I would turn it in off, I believe it's called Harbauls Road. Does that, does that come up on Google, Google Maps, Harbaugh? Yeah, Harbaugh Valley. Harbaugh Valley Road, okay. You go back, you go back Harbaal Valley Road, and then you make, you make. make a left, probably about 100 yards back into there. And that's where you enter at. And then

you'll see, then you'll see like the little garage area. That's the check-in point. That's where you check in that. And then you go in, you go in, that's how you make your entrance into Raven Rock. Yeah. When I was, when I stumbled across Raven Rock, I didn't know about it. And, you know, I must have been bored or something. And I was on Google it maps. And I just saw these, two giant doorways going into the ground. I was like, what the heck is this? And then that's what I started doing my looking into and stuff. But yeah, I'm looking at this right now. And I've gone on the street image, like where you go to ground level on Google Maps and look at the street view. And you can see exactly what you're just describing about the entrance,

but you can't go up there. Like, you can tell that the Google Maps car, whatever it is, kind of drove by, but they weren't allowed up there. Obviously, it's, you know, it's private property. But from what I understand, so like I'm a nosy person. I'm a snoopy person. I like snooping around, especially if it's convenient for me as far as location. And this is obviously not that far for me. You know, I was told, though, that when you start driving around this area, even you will be confronted. Yeah, even the locals. Like, the locals know if you're not from that area and you don't belong there and they'll even confront you even the locals from what I understand. You will be confronted, and I'll tell you why.

I ran in some kids down there. We went down, I took my son snowboarding down there the one time, and I was telling them that they were a group of teenagers. And I said, you know, over there on that mountain over there is a military base. And they said, yeah, yeah, we were on the other side of it, Ryan North four-wheelers, and the military police came out and chased us all. they were going to put us in handcuffs and stuff. I guess, you know, they were using that as a,

I guess there was like access words. I don't know. I never really looked at the, at the Google search, or the Google maps of it. I guess there's service words on the other side, but on the other side is Camp David. You know, I don't know if people realize that or, you know, or if the locals realize that,

but that's Camp David on the other side. That's all, that's all, military control, that whole area. So what you're saying, though, is that site R is connected to Camp David Underground. You know what? I would

say so. I would say so. Because because there's no, like you said, there's only, there's very few access points. Okay. They can't,

they can't land Marine Corps one on the side of that mountain. they had to land at Camp David. Okay, Camp David's only a mile or two away from there on the Maryland side. Because that mountain there actually Route 16 that goes up, that goes Emmigsburg Road. That's the state line.

So Ravenlock is basically in Maryland and then Camp David's on the other side of that mountain. And you know what's interesting is Raven Rock is very much part of like the Mosheu State Forest. Like it's it's right there. It's and it makes me wonder some of the things that I think it's Michelle State Forest. Yes. Yeah, yeah.

And so like it just makes me wonder as far as what's going on in that forest. I've had. There's a lot of big foot. Yes, there is. Yes, there is. That's where I was going with this. Like, there's a lot of of big foot sightings in Michelle State Forest. And it's not, it's not like a huge, like it's obviously it's a big forest, but it's not necessarily, it's not like the Allegheny National Forest. Like, it's, it's not that size. But there's a lot of activity and it makes me wonder if it's because of what's going on there militarily. I think if I were, if I, if I, if I ain't

mistaken, I think there's some people that are missing from down how. way, like real recently that have not been found. From the Raven Rock area? No, from the forest. Really? Yes. I could, I don't, I think it was in the last year or two. But they've been, uh, that they were missing and they were never found.

There's a lot of strange things that happens, that happens in that area. A lot. Yeah. I mean, we had, we had a lady on our show not too long ago, and she was telling her Bigfoot experiences, and she's not far from Raven Rock. I mean, like, man, I'm telling you, like, with, I can't remember the exact location where she's at, but she, she's not far from Raven Rock. And her Bigfoot experiences at her mom's house are ongoing to this day almost daily. And it's very, uh, otherworldly on what she's going through at her house or had her mom's

She doesn't live there anymore. But it just, there's a lot of weird stuff going on in that area. It's not far from Gettysburg, which is incredibly haunted. And so, you know, it's just, it's a very odd area. Gettysburg's only about 10 miles up the road from there. And, and you know what, and you know what's so, you know what's so fascinating about that area. That's all, that's all limestone based. That whole, that, that whole area there is limestone.

underneath there. So what do you think that means, though? That there's a lot. I think that that, that there's a lot of, like, underground aquifers and stuff. And for some reason, I think that, uh, that the paranormal have a lot of, um, it's a, it's a higher activity in that area. Well, Gettysburg is just insanely haunted, insanely home. Yeah, I mean, there's tons of stuff. I mean, absolutely lots of different stories coming out. There are lots of videos, pictures and stuff of hauntings, tons of stuff in Gettysburg. I mean, it was the most deadly battle of the Civil War.

I mean, a lot of people died there, a lot. Yeah, yeah. And, well, you know, the one time I was going down, I was going down to Sider. I had to stop and order my tire. what do you know when i got there they came they wanted to know why i stopped what my reason was you know they they told me exactly they told me exactly how long i stopped for everything everything okay so before you go any further with that i want to know how far were you from the facility when you stopped to uh water your tire which means the people if you don't know it means pissing on your tire

but also so how far were you and do you think that this means that they were able to track you by maybe GPS on your truck? I mean, did you have an electric truck? I think they had something inside inside the trailer. I never seen what I was holding down there. I had no manifest, no bills of lading, no nothing. It was a bolt seal and it was locked. It was, it had one of those, it was a bolt seal and it had a metal plate with a lock in the bottom of it. So you didn't have an Old Dominion trailer pulling in there, though? No. All right.

My trailer, my trailer was plain white with red lettering. What did the red lettering say? It said, it was either like a GV 13, GV 15, GV 9, 09. It was GV, it was, and that's all it said. Okay. It had it on the front. It had on the back. Let me have government plates.

Let me ask you. So with that said, do you think that the trailer, was the trailer owned then by the complex? I think, well, I picked up at Averdian Improvement Grounds. So I went from military base to Old Dominion to military base. And then back to Old Dominion to military base. I never, I never went to any other places. with that trailer. That trailer was used.

It went from Raven Rock to Old Dominion. The next day I'd take that same trailer from Old Dominion to Aberdeen. I'd pick up the loaded trailer in Aberdeen. And they would give me, they would give me like a printout piece of paper. It would say, okay, pick up trailer GV-09 in Spot 132. lot A. Okay, and I go over and I'd pick it up. I'd make sure that, and then it had a seal number on the back. I could read the seal number. I'd read the seal number. And that's all I had. I didn't have no bill lading, nothing. I didn't know what I was hauling, nothing. I even hauled in dead bodies.

I don't know. Yeah. I don't think you were hauling dead bodies because they're not going to contract Old Dominion to hauled their bodies. I'm sitting here thinking, because I mean, I'm in the LTL industry. If you drive for Old Dominion, or at least you used to, then you know the company I drive for it. So it's Pitt, Ohio. I mean, our terminal is in Harrisburg. We have one in Harrisburg. And so, like, we're LTL carriers, which means we're general freight carriers. So the fact that your, your company's being contracted to haul stuff into Raven Rock, it must have been something for maybe construction or some kind of like contractors that were going on inside Raven Rock. No, it fell under the contracting of Menlo.

You know what Menlo is? No. Menlo is a contractor out of the New Cumberland Army Depot. It was like a supply point. But it fell under that, it fell under that contracting, contracting facility was Menlo. So you're telling me that you were probably hauling stuff for, for military to military and it was probably military supplies. Yeah. I think I could have been hauling like MRIs or water or, you know, or a boiler cleaner. So, all right. So here's the thing, though. Like I don't understand why

they would contract Old Dominion to do something like that because like it's not that hard to have a military personnel trained to drive a truck and have your own truck out in the road pulling the stuff back and forth. I don't understand why they would do that. I know. I don't know. But yeah, that's, that's, you know, I did it for four years. And here, they lost the contract. Old Dominion lost the contract. And shortly after they lost the contract, I was fired. You were fired from Old Dominion? Yeah. What was the reasoning? I questioned my terminal manners ethics.

Well, you know, okay. But I'm laughing because it's funny because it's like the same story everywhere you go in the trucking industry. Well, what he said was, you know, he, him and I it was it was a you know him and I were having a discussion

and it really wasn't a heated discussion it was you know I was we were having a back and forth conversation and he said what are you doing are you questioning my ethics and I said well yeah I guess I am and he said you're fired plain and simple that's how it went down and I was like okay see you later

I went and collected unemployed Wow. So you worked there for four years. How, how long? No, I worked there for eight years. Oh, so, but you did the, you did the, uh, Raven Rock for four years. Yeah. Okay. So, so how long were you working at Old Dominion before they pull you into the office? Four years. Okay. So you were there for four years. You get pulled in the office by, I'm assuming their TM and these two other guys that worked for Raven Rock, right? Yes. Now, these two other guys that work for Raven Rock, were they, uh, talk to me about them, what they look like, were they in military, were they civilian? No, they were civilian. They just looked like they were dressed in pillow shirts. You know, just, you know, they had like they had

a, um, like you think, uh, you know, like a, um, like where they were from on their shirt. You know, like, I think it might have been like, uh, the Raven Rock. Raven Rock has her own shirt. okay and I guess it would say slight R on it

I don't think they go buy Rayb I don't think they're because you can buy shirts right there like a gift shop yeah what is going on here I mean come on really yes you can buy a shirt there yes wow the the security guards had them and stuff yeah they had like slight R and I don't know what the insignia was

I guess it was almost like a Pentagon symbol, you know. But yeah, they had a gift shop there. They had mugs. You know. I mean, they're on one aspect, they're out in the open about it. And on the other aspect, they want to keep it secret. You know, it comes up on the map. And people know about it.

And, you know, you can Google search. It comes up, like, or, you know, Raven Rock and it gives you to the location and everything. you know and you know they you can buy it you can buy the stuff right there right that's that was part of the the commissary so let me ask you then is this something that you could have bought like you could have walked out there with the i don't i don't think i could have bought it okay so we're talking about like you know hey i need another shirt for work kind of thing right at the gift right or or you know they probably issue you um a certain amount of money that you can buy work clothes with and you can go into this

like shop and you know get it like a polo shirt or a you know a dress shirt with the you know what the site are and the insignia on it and stuff but yeah you can yeah they had them right there yeah because I they wouldn't accept money

they I never spent a red not a red penny in there your money is no good in that place like all the food that I ate was was on the house you know I probably drank a thousand gallons of diet Pepsi and I'd never paid a dime for you know you know what's interesting is that I'm looking at the and I don't know if this is their emblem or their logo it's a it's a circle with raven rock mountain complex on it underneath it says say that's like R with the with a raven on it And that's it. Okay. So I'm looking at this logo and I swear I've seen this before, this logo. And I, I, I'm hesitant to say it just because I literally have stocked Raven Rock online so much that I might have come across that, that image before. And it's just coming back to me subliminally. But it seems like I've seen this before. I feel like I've seen it on somebody's shirt before or something like that. I don't know though.

It's very, it's very out. They're very open about it, but they, they want to remain secret too. you know what I mean yeah I think it's I think it's one of those things where the location that they put it it's it's very you know rural in the sense but at the same time there is still a lot of stuff not far from there and maybe

over time like in the in the early days maybe the word got out and so there was no keeping it a secret but they just kind of dampened it down with how much they're willing to you know like if you look at the complex I think what you're trying to do is is like making an inactive base.

You know what I mean? Did you say active or inactive? Inactive. An inactive base like a, like we ain't doing much here. You know, almost like Area 51. Oh,

there's nothing to see here. You know, we really don't do much here. But in reality, they're pumping strong. Yeah, well, there's definitely,

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Now, back to our show. All right, so you freaking worked there for how many years was it? Four years. Four years. Okay, so you were at Old Dominion for four years. You got brought into this thing. Now, and then you were fired shortly after that, but I want to say it seems like you were handpicked.

Do you think that this was something? Absolutely. Do you think that they handpicked you or do you think your terminal handpicked you? No. My military status handpicked me. Oh, so you're military? Yes. How much military are we talking about here? Well, my M.OS was 11 Bravo 10 victor. Talk to me like I'm not in the U.S. Army Ranger. Okay. Gotcha. So you were an Army Ranger man? Yes. Dude, you guys are some bad MFers, man. I'll tell you that. I was nothing special. I was just a, you know, I was just a rifleman.

Well, actually, I was in, I was in the, what they call a weapons platoon. I was part of headquarters company, and I was in charge of setting up the headspace at time and fit the caliber and, you know, the, the weaponry that we would take along with us, like you to claim more mines and stuff like that. we were we were all assigned to to the to the platoons and stuff and we would we I never seen no combat or anything I was in during the Cold War but uh yeah my my security clearance uh carry it you never lose your security clearance unless you really really unless you

know you really you get you get um you get chancered out of the army or you know you go to Leavenworth or whatever. But this is, here's, here's a good one, Tony. Thursday this week. Now, I worked for another truck and company now. I went down in Leonard County Army Depot.

Okay. And where I went at in Letter County Army Depot, you have to get a, you have to, um, like, just, you have to give your social security number and your,

uh, license and stuff. Then they run a background check on, check on you. Well, they gave me, they gave me, uh, they gave me a, um, like a pass. All that do is show the pass to the, to the guard and I can gain access to wherever I need to go on under, under County. And that's where, that's where the Patriot missiles and the tow missiles and stuff are, are built. Wow. Wow. And that's where I was. That's where I was Thursday. I was delivered paint. Jeez. So this is starting to make sense now. So for whatever reason, outside of your control, Raven Rock, for whatever reason, needed to hire an outside contractor to Hall. They investigated me. And so, yeah, well, they investigated a lot of people if you think about it because if they ham picked you, which means that probably Old Dominion was not the only company they looked at. They were looking for a very specific type of driver that they were going to be able to contract into this location. And you were the guy who popped up.

because I'm still accountable by the UCMJ for anything if I would talk about anything where I went when I was in the military, I could still be court-martialed. Ooh, do you want to talk about it now?

No, I can't. I miss that. I never did nothing, nothing nothing too extreme. Okay, everything that you did in the range of time was extreme.

But it was nothing, you know, nothing that, that would be off the radar. You know, it was just normal operating business for us. You know, I was, I was actually just a corporal, and

I did my, I did six years and I left. And then my, my military status never left me. And whenever, like you said, They investigated me personally. Whoever these guys were,

they probably went to Y or C, ABF, hit Ohio, old demand. Then they stumbled across Merle. Oh, hey, Merle. This is what you're going to do for the next four years. Yeah, look what we have here. Yeah. Yeah.

And my military status was never brought up, nothing. They never mentioned anything to me, these two individuals. They never said not one word to me about anything. They just said, this is what you're doing. This is your route. Like, I would get down. Now, where old dominion is, it's in Carlisle, it is at exit 52 and 81. I would drive down 81 to exit 5.

I get all fixed five, which is route 16. I'd go up over, up over the mountain, down over the mountain, the Harbaugh Valley Road. I'd make that right. I'd make that immediate left and I was there. That was my route. When I left, I went back the same way. Wow. Yeah, man, this is interesting stuff, man.

Like, I've been longing for the day to talk to anybody that has like a real connection there. And you didn't even work there. You were just contracted. But the information you shared with us has been really interesting. Now, you work there a year into your relationship with Tham is when you got that chicken broth brew, right? Yeah. And you know what? It was chicken broth, but it was a real strong chicken broth.

You know what I mean? It was almost almost like it was artificially flavored to be chicken broth, but it was something else maybe? You ever think about that? well let's put it to you this way it was you know how chicken broth is like a a light brown yeah okay this was brown almost like a real thick chicken broth almost like you took four packages of chicken broth and mixed it all in one cup i got you it was real real thick and it did And I'm telling you within five minutes, I was out like a light. I don't remember nothing.

I mean, I don't remember nothing. I don't remember nobody putting blankets on me and pillow under my head, nothing. And when I woke up, I'm telling you, I was sick all weekend. I mean, I was throwing up. I didn't know if I was going to be able to go to work. When I went to work and my arm, my arm garden, seeing that I was. sick and I threw up and he must have went and told Tham and Tham brought me this chicken broth and I'm telling you I woke up at 4 o'clock Tuesday afternoon and I did not go to bed until

about well it was Saturday morning about 12 o'clock 12 o'clock Saturday morning and I wasn't tired then I had to force myself to sleep because I knew I was up for three and a half days that's incredible that's absolutely incredible so I personally when you're telling me about this chicken broth stuff. Like, I just, I'm thinking, man, this is flavored to taste like chicken broth and make you feel like it was chicken broth, but dude, chicken broth doesn't put you, it keep you away for three days after putting you sleep for a few hours. I mean, like, this is something that got in your system that was not chicken broth. Right. And, but it didn't make me jittery or anything. It was just, I just was not tired. I couldn't sleep.

I trust me. I went, I came up, laid in bed and I just laid there. My eyes. lot open. I said, I'm fighting to lose battle. So I just went down to sit and watched TV. I played video games. This went on for three days. And I wasn't tired. I wasn't, I wasn't, I didn't even yawning in those three days, three and a half days. I had to force myself to go to sleep on Friday night. My wife was like, are you ever coming to bed? I said, I ain't tired. All right. So here's the thing. I want to talk to you about, uh, the fact that your wife saw his face when he looked like a, uh, a praying mandis or, you know, a lizard person, whatever you want to say it is. Yeah. Your wife literally saw the transformation as well.

She saw what she said was, was an icy stare. But what you describe isn't just an icy stare. Like he literally looked different, right? To me, he did. Yes. She didn't really, she really wasn't, I mean, she was paying attention to my son. And she's seen. she really wasn't paying attention to what me, the communication between Thaum and myself, but she, she's seen Thumb looking at me. You know,

and she was, she just said, he, you know, he gave you an icy stare. And I was like, yeah, that was Thumb.

I said, he works at Raven Rock, and, you know, and I went on to tell her, and I never told her that, that, you know,

that his features changed. Because they did, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he, didn't look that way he didn't look that way for for a year okay for a year how many months a year year and a half however long it was it wasn't that long into my

into my tenure there okay he he never you know I never seen that but that one time where I waved at him out in public it it almost like he was a shape shifter It changed It changed in a matter of seconds Yeah In a matter of seconds He and it wasn't And it wasn't

He had like dark blue eyes He had like light hair Not blonde hair but light hair And it was like His hair was like real Real fine You know what I mean by fine Yeah

It's like a real thin hair Yeah Like a real thin hair but he always kept it rolled you know the manicured you know up this hind type

what they referred to as a hind type you know but he had like dark blue eyes and uh when he when he turned and looked at me I swear to God I was looking at a praying manis

I never I never thought that until that time and I never thought that afterwards you know what I mean it was just that time it was just in that point in time in that 25 seconds. Geez.

Let me tell you something about this. So what's that? The name Tham, I just looked it up and to see what Tham means. I don't remember ever hearing this name before. So I'm assuming it's spelled T-H-O-M-Thom. Yes. Okay, so it is. So the name Tham is Aramaic and it means twin.

Twin. And you're telling me that Tham literally I never knew that the thumb is is shape shifting in front of you and he has two different faces like there's two different people with the same with the same DNA like dude

I'm telling you this is crazy I can't make this stuff up man I'm telling you I'm telling you you're doing all the research and everything's adding up for it listen man like I'm I'm sitting here and I'm just, I'm just very interested in your story. And I'm thinking, what does the name Thaum mean?

Because I was sitting here thinking, Tham actually, like, if I was writing a science fiction story where we, we, we were doing like, I was making up a story about somebody that did a 20 and back in the United States military is working with aliens on the dark side of the moon, what would I name one of the aliens that were a praying manus? Well, Thumb actually sounds like a name I would use. Like, you know, General Thumb, he's a, he's a praying manist, you know, lizard person. And so I look up. the name Thaum to see, you know, where it originated from. And it says it freaking means twin. I'm just like, and here's this guy being a shape-shifting person with two faces as one person to you.

It's just, I just think that's interesting. Yeah. And, and, and, and Tony, it never happened before or after this 25 seconds of us being out in public and me acknowledging him. You know, yeah. That was the only time that, that, that, that. that I looked at him as otherly human. Did that make sense? No, it makes perfect sense and stuff. And it seems like what you're saying is that, you know, these are your experiences with your interactions with people at the base and being there for the period of time you were.

And what's interesting is, like, we just had an hour conversation about this base and your interactions with it. And you barely did anything there. Like, you hardly have. had any anything to do there other than drive i'm just driving my truck backing it in and sitting around waiting so they tell me i can go home that's pretty much what you were doing and and you had we just covered an hour and so i just find it funny now let me ask you uh one more question about this uh and this

is more of an opinion piece for you but how the heck do you think thom knew that you talked to your wife when you were what you said you were around shippensberg when you finally started talking to her about thom um Well, I don't know. I really don't know. I want to say that he just guessed, but I don't, I don't think that's the case. I don't think that he just assumed that I discussed it with my wife and went out to the limb and said, don't you ever talk to your wife about this?

But it almost like he had first-hand knowledge and I talked to her. Almost like he was reading my mind. And that's, yeah, and that's what I was thinking too. Like, because my first thought was, was he able to listen in on it? Did he have something planted or was he able to tell? No, I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. He couldn't have because we had, I hit a deer with my truck going to work at that week.

And I had a rental car from Bobby Rahal Toyota or a rental truck. So I had a completely different vehicle I took down there that day. Can I ask you a question about the rental vehicle? Yeah. Did the license plates say Raven Rock on it? No, I was kidding. No. Yeah. But all the, all the security were Pentagon police. They're Raven Rock. Yeah. So, I mean, Raven Rock is clearly an active base and it has high level security. And, you know, many people throughout the government, deep in the government are working there or have been there. do you think that let me ask you this too

how long ago was this taking place I mean are we talking about 20 years ago 10 years ago what um well I got I got fired in 2010 so this was or no I got fired in 09 so this was from

5 the from 05 to 9 okay so yeah I mean that's you know 11 years. Right. And that's not that long ago. I mean, we're talking about, you know, 11 years ago. And I'm telling you, man, this thing is just a fascinating thing for me. And it's probably more fascinating for me for the fact that it's in my backyard kind of thing. You know what I mean?

Like I literally can drive there within two hours easily. Easily. Oh, absolutely. I wouldn't drive up to it, though. Well, I almost did. To be honest with you, I almost did. When I first found it, I was like, I'm very interested. And I, like I said, I wanted the Google. images and I saw it was gated off on the road. I went to both sides of the road. I looked at this place, you know, inside and out. And I almost went out there and did the whole drive up to it and see how far I can get to it kind of thing or see if I can find a side road that I can kind of hike up onto the mountain and all that stuff. Like I was, I was really considering doing it. And then I forget who I was talking to, but they told me that, you know, you can't get anywhere near the place and that

even locals will kind of look at you sideways. Well, just, just for your listeners and everything. We discussed the road and the entrance point. If anyone decides to go there and try to go up to the entrance, you will end up at gunpoint. I guarantee you that. Well, give you some stories to tell, right? And you will probably be in prison.

Oh, for sure. Absolutely. Because they're not going to say, oh, I just got lost. because there are signs there and say U.S. military, U.S. government property keep out.

Yeah, especially when you got a guy named Thaum in there that can read people's minds. There's no lying. You know? And the shade shifter. Yeah, you're like,

I got lost and they get on the radio, all right, bring Thaum out here. We need to have Thaum out here. You know, he appears. Yeah, I mean, and if you went out there,

I'm telling you right now. Go ahead. I'm sorry. he was a strange cat he really was he i mean when i look back on it and everything he was a very nice guy but like i said he always had that bottle of water i never seen him drink or eat that's that's that's that was my point to that and he always he always like shook it at you you know to where he made he was making conversation with the bottle of water yeah i i i don't know i mean maybe that bottle water was a prop and he didn't need to eat because he wasn't he

That's what I was thinking. Because he had a bottle of water at the wrestling tournament. The same bottle of water was an aquafina bottle of water. He's like, look, I got a bottle of water. I drink. I eat. I'm human. Right, right.

And I never, I never seen him drink from it or eat or anything in four years. And I'm telling you, I was, that's where I would be for eight hours a day. was in either the cafeteria or right off the cafeteria in the lounge area. It was, you know, it was a relaxing it, uh, setting, you know, it wasn't like, you didn't have like, you know, military people marching around and everything. You know, people would come in and eat, you know, and conversing, and, you know, and they'd come in and watch TV and then head on down to work. You know, it was a very relaxing place.

And, you know, they had five or six couches in there. It was a big room. And Thaum would come in and he would talk baseball. He did know baseball. I'll tell you that. He knew every batting average of every major league baseball player playing in the major leagues that year or those years. He was very, very smart.

You know why? Because when you live for a thousand years and you have access to time travel, you tend to be pretty smart. I'm telling you, he's not human, man. You know, I don't know what he is, man. I'm going to be honest with you. Now that you say that Thumb is, his definition is twin, I don't know how many I dealt with.

You know what I mean? Dude, man. Why was he there? He wasn't, he didn't have a kid at this wrestling tournament. He was just there. He didn't move all day. there was four mats okay in this gymnasium

and he was in the center of these four mats and he did not move all day there was no kids around he had no wife nothing you know I was watching him all day and I knew he seen me I knew he did I know he did I know he's seen me

I seen him as soon as I walked in the gym he stands out you know what I mean he's six eight Yeah You know what I mean All you have to do is Reaches

his His What is the praying man His arm up And he dumped basketball Yeah I mean If he's freaking 68 And that's a big guy

He was tall He was tall I know he did weigh 170 pounds If he weighed that So he was tall and lanky I was thinking somebody That's bulky And kind of gigantic

No no no he was tall and very he was bone thin bone thin like you could see his cheekbones that's why I was saying that he you know when his face changed to a praying man

that's looking style face you can see his cheekbones that's why I'm saying his face didn't look the same when when he turned and looked at me his face changed he wasn't like a big guy this guy was roughed in he only weighed about 170 pounds, you know, but his face changed in those 25, that 25 seconds.

I don't know if it was my eyes playing tricks on me or, you know, or I don't know what, I don't know what happened, but it was a very strange encounter, very strange encounter. And I don't get, I don't get the heby-jeebies much, but that guy gave me the heby-jeebies at that time. Yeah, it's, I didn't know what I was doing with. Yeah, for sure. It definitely seems like he would give people the he would use, especially, like, I don't know what's more creepy. A 6-8 bulky guy that's a leptit, a la, a 6-8, you know, 6-8 guy that's, you know, a lizard person or, you know, a 6-8 guy that's lanky lizard person. I'm not sure what's more creepy.

But, uh, no, he wasn't very big. He didn't have much muscle turn to him. All right. So we talked about the dumbs. And I think that we exhausted the topic right now as far as what you know. what you've experienced. But you do have some paranormal experiences that you'd like to share with us. So if you could, just kind of start us off and walk us into some of these experiences you've had.

Well, I'm going to go from first to last with things. That's fine. Okay. Back in last August, I was in my girlfriend's house. She lives in an apartment on her parents' property above her dad's garage. Her dad's a big gearhead, and he has a three-bay garage detached from the house, and there's an apartment above the garage. We were going to go to the races at night, so we took her son over to her mom and dad's house,

which is just right across the driveway. We went up, and we were sitting at, I guess it's like a bar style, breakfast knock, okay? And I was facing into the house, and she was facing towards, towards her mom and dad, towards the outside of the house. Okay, and I'm sitting there and I see movement down the hallway, like a shadow, and I, and I, I, I just blew it all. And then we're sitting there talking, now this is, only a matter of a minute or two. I seen it again.

And I said to her, I said, Katie. I said, are we alone? She goes, yeah, why? So, I just, I just thought I'd seen something. The third time I seen it, it went in to her bedroom. It was a shadow.

Went into the bedroom. And I'm only looking at, I went down into my truck and got my gun out. And I tactically cleared this house. That's how convinced I was that I seen somebody in this, or a shadow in this house. I thought it was her ex-boyfriend. That's what I thought.

Well, and she was freaked out by this because obviously I was 9mm, and I'm going through each room and looking under the beds. She's like, what are you doing? You know, or you, you know, and I said, I'm telling you, I've seen somebody. I'd seen, and then, I let it go into that because there's nobody there. Well, the next day I said,

D.H, I said, let me ask you a question. I said, did you own this house? How long have you owned this house? He goes, well, I bought it about 10 years ago. The guy that lived here died. I said, well, where did he die at? He goes, well, he fell down the ladder there in the garage. And I said, oh.

He goes, why do you ask? I said, because I said, I seem. Some shout at this yesterday. He goes, don't tell Katie. I said, well, it's kind of hard. And I'd tell her when I had my gun going through her house. He had to quit clearing her house. And he says, well, don't tell her what I just said.

So we can be bunked out as just, and I had a friend. His name's Alan. He does ghost walks. and the one day I was over babysitting Katie's son and he told me to tell whatever's there that it's all right if you if you hang out here but you cannot close harm to the people that live here if you do calls for him you're going to have to leave

and that squashed it no more we didn't see but I'm telling you Tony I've seen the shadow three times in five minutes. I know there was something there. I know for sure that I seen the third time. I know for sure I seen it going into our bedroom. And that's right where the steps were and leaned down to the garage.

They're blocked off now. They made an apartment out of the top half. That was the paranormal experience. Now, I heard you talk about this. several about a year ago maybe two years ago on your show

do you know where street road is off of easton road 611 yeah yeah I know exactly what you're talking about okay street road you get down street road to 263 there's a giant store sitting there

right I work I was working for giant food store Now right there, that's called Wellington. Willingham or Willington? One of the two, because they're really close.

Willingham is up, you know, on 6-11 and Wilmington's down on street road. Well, I'm sitting there. We ain't allowed behind that store until 7 o'clock, because of noise restrictions. So I'm sitting between there's a coal store and the giant. It's 634, December 23rd, 2019.

It was a Monday. I'm just sitting there. I'm just waiting to go behind this store. And I'm telling you, Tony, 400 feet off the ground, there was a flying. People would call it a V. I call it more of a checkmark because the right side was a little bit longer than the left. And it was just flying. right down towards willow growth didn't make a sound what i think it was was a um a drone it was

unmaned it couldn't have been manned there's no way it could have been manned i think it was a drone a big drone wow like a like a 200 foot big drone all right so let's just pause for a second and just inform any audience that, because I know what you're referencing, and you're referencing this because you're recalling something exactly to what I saw in the same area. That's why you're telling me this, right?

Yes. And it was heading right towards Willow Grove. And I'm telling you right now, there's something going on in Willow Grove because there's cars. They say that's a dead military base. There's activity going on in there. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. I'm so glad you're bringing this up. The Horsham Air Force Base is what you're talking about. Yes. Yes. Willing Grove. Right off of 611. And I know exactly where the food, the giant food store is. You're talking about the intersection of Street Road and 263. 263 and Street Road. Yep. I know exactly where you're talking about. It's not far from Weather Grove. Because there's a coal store there. Yep. And there's an access point than the giant store. And that's where we had entrance to giant stores on that. access road. And that's where I was sitting. It was 6.34 in the morning just right, right as soon the sun was just coming up. It was in December, December 23rd. There's two days before Christmas. Okay. So the sun's just coming up at 6.30 in the morning. You can see the pink in the sky. And I've seen the stink. There was no lights on this thing, not whatsoever.

Okay. So this thing that you saw in the sky, the first thing that you saw in the sky, the fact that you're saying it was a drone, you definitely got a better look than I did because I was driving down 276 when I saw it outside of Willgrove. And I think I've seen it at least two or three, either two or three other times. It wasn't just one time I saw this thing. I watched it for 30 seconds. Was it hovering or was it moving or was it moving or what? No, it was moving. It was moving at about 15 mile an hour. Okay. I caught it. I caught it. I caught it when it was, I caught it when it was just about over 263 and it was heading it was heading towards county line road if you know what i mean you know what county line road is of course yep okay it was heading and and it crossed right over the giant store

heading towards county line road and if you draw a straight line from the giant store to count the corner county line road and eastern road that would put you in the middle of horse horseham air force face, right dead smack in the middle. Wow. And it was only 400 feet in the air. I got a real good look at it. I could see the towels on it. Hold on a second.

So it had tires on it? Tiles. Tiles. Oh, tiles. I got you. Yes, tiles. And there was no lights, no lights or nothing. I watched it for 30 seconds.

It was a drone. I guarantee it was a drone. It wasn't, there was, no one controlling. I mean, it was being controlled, but there was no one manually controlling that from the inside of it. And I don't understand why they'd be doing that. I don't know what that, I don't know what they're, I don't know. Do you think they could be setting off chem trails with that? Man, chem trails would be like the last thing that on my mind to even consider when it comes to this. when we're talking about what we're talking about here,

we're talking about something, and I'm assuming, just assuming that you saw what I saw, but it's, it was a check mark. Yeah, it was a check mark. Thank you. It wasn't a V. This is what I said on my show when I first saw this, and I talked to the public about it.

I said, at first it looked like a V, but when I got next to it that I was passing by, I look up, it was hovering. It was a check mark. One side was shorter than the other. That's what you saw. Yeah. We saw the same exact thing.

It was, it was like, I really can't tell, because it was against the dark sky. Okay. Now, now, when I say the sun was just coming up, it was, the sun was just coming up out of the east. This was basically right above me. Okay. So let's say, let's say it was 200, or, or 150 feet and width.

Okay. The right side was 100 feet and the left side was 50 feet or 75 feet. Listen, the right side was definitely longer. The right side was definitely longer than the left side. This is incredible because I never would have expected that I was going to be talking to somebody today that saw the same exact craft that I saw. Like this isn't like, oh yeah, I saw something like that too. in New Mexico, you saw exactly what I saw within what a couple mile radius of where I was.

Probably three miles. If you saw it on the turnpike, if you saw it on the turnpike, it was within three miles because street road runs right down to park casinos. That's unbelievable. Isn't that right? Yeah. No, yeah. Absolutely.

It doesn't street road run down to park casinos? Yep. If you keep going down street road, it takes you in the Ben's. Salem on the left-hand side is Parks Casinos. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And this was up street road at 263 or 263 or 261. 2. 63. You know where I'm talking about. Absolutely. I know exactly what you're talking about. That's why I'm floored right now. Like I'm not even in the mindset right now to ask questions because I'm just floored that you saw the same thing I saw. I'm like so excited that somebody's validating me right now because I know I'm. I had no.

idea you were going to bring this up. I'm telling you, I'm telling, and I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I know for fact, it was a drone. I, I know people say, oh, drones can't be that big. Who says it can't be that big? Yeah, that's just BS. Right, right. It, it, it's definitely, it's definitely a drone. Like I said, I could, like I told, I sent you a text message, I can, I can,

validate two of the three, which I just did. I just validated it. Because I'm telling you that was it wasn't, I'm not saying this was a UFO, but it was a UFO because I don't know what it was, but it wasn't out of this worldly. Yeah. It was definitely manmade. Absolutely. And it's a drone. Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. The fact that you're saying it's a drone, now looking back at what I saw, it makes sense that it would be a drone. I've mentioned it before. I think it was on the show that I did called the Ben Salem Abduction, where I talked to, oh, shoot, I'm forgetting her name, but she had a great story, but I talked to her about this as well, and we discussed about the Horsham Air Force Base. I've been on that base a couple of times, and the very first time I was

on that base, I was working for a different company. It wasn't with Pitt, Ohio, and I was actually working for a copy machine company called Rico, and we were pulling copy machines out of some these buildings that they were moving out of. And I asked them, I remember asking them that if they were shutting the place down, and they really beat around the bush as far as to what they were going to tell me. And, I mean, they said that, you know, the place is being shut down and stuff, but just the way they said it was very, it was just very odd. And I didn't get this.

Then why do they have new dirt mounds there? Well, you can't see stuff off of all the East, Eastern Road. Yeah. They just put, they just put new dirt mounds there. How long ago? Well, within the last six months. Jeez. See, I haven't driven up that area.

You know where, you know where the, you know where the, you know where the, um, uh, the museum is? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right there along Eastern Road. Absolutely, yeah. Okay. When you get down past the museum, you have the horse and diner. if you look and then you have that access where to go that would lead you on the horse room air force base that that stretch from from the museum to the horse room diner they just put well they didn't just put

they just uh elevated the dirt mounds that are on there why would they elevate the dirt mountains so you can't see so you can't see what's going from the roadway even in a truck they used to do air shows out of there. And supposedly they shut the base down, all this stuff. And this was back when I was in my early 20s, I think Rico was my first truck driving job. And so when I did that, they tell me, okay, you know, started back in my mind. Fast forward years later, I'm driving for Pitt, Ohio. I go on the base for another delivery and I back into a dock and I do this delivery. And it was like a full cast of people working there. And I was just like, this place doesn't seem like it's shutting down anytime soon. I know it could be, you know, maybe.

you know, something where it's, it's not at full scale like it used to be, but. No, I think it is. Yeah, it just seems like there's something going on there. I've said that before. And it just, for me, it seems like there's something going on there. Then when you see what I saw not far from there, I mean, what's the other logical conclusion then? Like, if we're, if, if I see it multiple times, you saw it. And there's been reports of this thing in Ben Salem, the very similar thing. It's a V shape that it's been described, uh, hovering over trees, moving over trees kind of thing. If everybody's seeing this thing in this general area, the logical conclusion is, well, where is it coming from? Probably the Horsham Air Force Base.

Well, see, the whole thing is, Tony, is you were driving when you saw it. I wasn't. I was looking right at it. I was looking right at it. I was like, that's how I can tell you the time and the day, because I made note of this. I was like, oh, my God. you know and and and I'm thinking the whole time I'm looking at it I rolled down my window we're not it rolled it down you know I put it down there ain't no rolling anymore

it's all electronics but I put my window down to see if I can hear an exhaust there is no exhaust it was perfectly quiet and it was almost like it was making it's final round to go back to go back home it was going home and and believe it or not you could that thing could that thing could glide right over top of any normal human being driving down the road and you probably wouldn't even tell probably wouldn't even be able to see it but I just so happen to look up a lot when I'm sitting yeah well I've been looking up a lot too these days so but listen man listen I I um I appreciate you sharing that with me because uh for me personally this is not even for the show like personally it a little bit of validation yeah

big time. Like, because like, I don't, I always tell people, like, I haven't seen such crazy stuff. Like, a lot of stuff that goes on in the show and stuff, I'm, I'm, I'm just hearing the stories. Like, I haven't really seen a ton of crazy stuff. I mean, I've, some, but not a ton. And, like, that was for me, a very fascinating experience. And I'm like, I'm going to tell people about this, but I'm not expecting anybody to believe me. And so the fact that you're validating me right now just really makes me smile. Now, Tony, this last one that I have to tell you, I have no explanation of work, man. None, none, none.

I'm willing to work. I work night shift. Okay. My shift begins at 11 o'clock. So I'm heading to work about 9.30. Beginning of January, it's not too far, not too long after, after New York. years. This all happened within two weeks of me seeing this checkmark and this next thing that happened to me. I'm driving down Wagner's Gap Road. Like I said, I live out in the

out in the rural area, rural part of the country here in Pennsylvania, pencil tuckie we call it up here. But I'm driving down the road and two deer across in front of me. Okay. Now, this is, it's a widening scat.

Now, I have to go up over a mountain and down the mountain to get to work. It's the shortest way to my job. Two deer calls in front of me, so I slow down to,

you know, so I don't hit them. And I have a, I have a little beaver car that I drive back and forth to work, keep them, I was off my truck. And so,

it's a, manual. So I was in fourth gear, so I went, as soon as I put it in, in first gear, Tony, about a dozen deer come over top of my car, on my car,

in front of my car, they were running from something, okay? And I was like, oh my God, you know, and they're kicking my windows and riding up over my hood. That's just leading up to what happened to me. So I get out and I check damage, not much damage. So I drive on. I go about a mile, okay? And when you're going up Wagner's gap, you have like a 90-degree turn to the right.

Okay. Well, I see this light in my driver's side window. Did you ever have like a reflection of like on the driver's side window to where it looks like there's something there? But it's really actually on the right side of you? Well, that's what caught my attention. And I seen this like light blue light on my driver's side window. And I looked at it. And nothing was there.

So I look across and there's this little about the size of a softball hovering ball right in this woodline. Okay. Now, I was at this 90 degree turn. Okay. So when I went past it the first time, it was on my right. When I went up around, I was looking at it the whole time. I went around the 90-degree return, and it stayed on my right the whole time. So I stopped my car, and I got out, and I'm looking at this light, right?

And I'm telling you, it's only about as big as a softball, and it was just hanging there, just like suspended in the animation, right? And you can see It would almost look like a lava light Okay The light inside of it It wasn't It wasn't like

Shining like a bright light Or anything It was just illuminating itself Okay And I'm looking at it And what was so strange Do you know what ozone smells like? I don't think so

Ozone like when A Dorn in a thunderstorm You smell like a Like the air gets real energized. This, this, when I got out of my car to look at this light, it was, there was a lot of ozone in the air. And I was just like, I was just looking at this way. Nothing that actually happened. It was just there.

And I, and I thought to myself, this ain't, I thought, Marale, you ain't too damn smart. I got back in my car and I laughed, right? But that's the last time I've seen it But doesn't it seem kind of curious If these deer Run in front of my car About a half a mile To a mile

In front of it Before I seen this light Yeah What was chasing And not only that Tony But where they were running to Okay These two deer that crossed in front of me

Came from the right Which is Penn State Dickison College that's their property you can't hunt on it so they consider that a safe ground deer know this okay and as soon as these deer

crawled down 15 to 20 deer ran over there that way what was what was making them go that way when you got cornfields on the left and nothing on their way because Dickison College they don't plant no corn or anything for them

it's just woods when they got feet on the other side open cornfields then I drive up the road and I see it wasn't very big I can hold that ball on my hand you know and it was only about three or four feet off the ground you know and it was just

it was almost like it was just like it was dangling from a tree you know or I don't know it was pretty wild though that's yeah that's something I can't explain that's just it just I don't know I don't know what it was

I can't explain it I didn't see big foot or anything but no listen trust me I was thinking that I was like because I literally

got out of my car and I was like I wanted to see what I was looking at you know what I mean I was like am I seeing what I'm you know

am I seeing this you know because of what happened two weeks beforehand I seen that that checkmark in the air. And I'm thinking, this is too much, man. You know, I got to come back to reality.

Yeah. And sometimes you question yourself, man. You know, and this is out in the middle of nowhere. I'm telling you, there's, well, there's a house probably, probably half a mile to a mile away from there. But there's nothing that goes. There's very little traffic on this road. But, I mean, almost anything can happen on this road.

it's interesting the balls of light and stuff. Because I don't know what it is and, you know, people see this stuff. And I'm like, I have no idea. I have no idea what it is. But the fact that you saw that within a two-week period of scene, what you saw out my way, I find that interesting. It almost makes you feel like, you know, you were blocked or something. I'm being stalked.

Yeah, exactly. It's kind of weird. But listen, I think you are being stalked. I mean, dude, you got, you got contacted to do the Raven Rock, and then you can freaking see the check mark. Dude, there's, listen, your experiences have been very interesting to hear. And it's been a pleasure talking to you about it, man. Yeah. It didn't seem like I was going to, it wasn't going to be a very interesting interview,

just a truck driver delivering the Raven Rock. Yeah, no. Then you Google search Thome and it's an evil twin. Yeah, man. Like I'm telling you, man, it's interesting. for sure. And it's funny. Like people, they'll say things to me like that too. They'll be, well, I don't know

if it's enough for a full interview. And I'm like, well, let's give it a shot and see what happens. You know, so, um, I just called you Thumb. I'm just twin. Yeah, man. Well, listen, I do appreciate coming on the show and sharing, man. Okay. Yeah, Tony. Well, thank you

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