The Confessionals - 23: A Church's Baphomet

Episode Date: June 24, 2017

In Episode 23, guest Nate shares an assortment of experiences with hauntings, UFO sightings, and a curse placed upon his church. Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel Tony's Instagram: tony_merkel Tony's Facebook: www.facebook.com/tbmerkel Outro: Kill_mR_DJ mashups - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9148gmJledk?

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Staying in in the shadows. It's called prolet for the rest of the way. You guys hear that? Welcome to the show, everybody. I am your host, Tony Merkel, and I am really glad that you're here. And I'm really glad to be here. If you guys follow me on Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter, you'll see that I usually post pictures of myself with a big beard.

Well, that big beard is no more. I decided last night that I was going to trim it up a little bit, and the trimming just never stopped, and I wound up walking out of the bathroom with no beard at all. And so it's a big change for me, but I'll probably grow it back soon. But definitely my face is a little chillier than it was yesterday. If you have any interest in checking those pictures out, go ahead and follow me on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. If you have an encounter, you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and email me, the Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. that's the Confessionals podcast at gmail.com. Or you can reach me at the website, the confessionalspodcast.com,

hit the connection section, and you can reach me that way as well. Tonight I have a great show coming up. Nate comes on to share some experiences that he's had as a kid in England, and then his family moved to Canada where he had more experiences. So without any further delay,

let's bring on Nate. Okay, tonight I have a great guest coming on. Nathan, he actually contacted me a while back, and I know it seems like I'm saying that every week now. Somebody contacted me a while back, but it's true. It just takes a while to get through these emails. Nathan, how are you, man? Good, good. It's good to be with you, Tony. Thanks for having me on. Oh, man, it's great to have you on. I know we connected quite a few times, actually. We've been texting each other and emailing. Yeah, and you know what? Something's just come up. I'm going to have to

cancel. I'm just, I'm just kidding. Well, you know, we can just reschedule like the last two or three times. Yeah, yeah. Anyways, yeah, good to be here and excited to chat with you. I'm just talking. you. Absolutely, man. Now, the English accent might throw people off, but you're actually in Canada, right? I am. I'm in Ontario. I've been here for nearly 20 years, coming into 20 years. So, yeah, great white mills. Cool, man. So speaking of England, you actually, all your stories kind of happened in Canada, except for the first thing that happened to you was actually in England when you were a kid. you saw a UFO and then you came over to Canada and you had quite a few experiences over here. So, you know, let's start off with the UFO encounter in England and stuff.

What happened there? How old were you? Absolutely. I was about 12 to 13 and we lived in the southwest of England. Devon is the county that we lived in. and our backyard, we're on a rural, streets maybe with a dozen properties on it and a tight little community. But all around us was countryside. And our backyard, we had the just rolling hills,

as you can imagine, you know, your typical British countryside scene. And all the fields were free range for us to go running around in his kids. And all the friends had, all the kids on the street would meet up off of school and figure out what we're going to do, go build a tree house or play football or what have you. But one evening I was by my own, on my own.

And we had, out of the back of our house was a farmer's field. And I can't remember exactly what I was doing. A while I was out there taking the dog for a walk, most likely. And I don't know if any of your listeners or you yourself are familiar with the Moors, like Dartmoor, you know, the big. boulderous rocks formations that crop up across England. And Dartmoor is kind of like a provincial park, if you want to call it that. And Dartmoor is just off in the distance, maybe about 30 or 40 kilometers away from where we used to live.

And you could see it in the distance from our house, some beautiful view. And this particular evening, I was out in the field. And just appreciating it was probably mid, mid-August, September. And I'm pretty sure I was walking the dog or just hanging out by myself in the field. And I would say it was, you know, late afternoon, early evening, those golden sunshine kind of evenings where, you know, you just savour it, you know. It's nice fresh air and looks beautiful out and all the colors are lit up in the sky and just, you know, loving it, right? And I was just looking across the landscape and over top of the moorlands, like the big rock formations, and maybe your listeners can Google it, YouTube it,

Google it, the Dartmoor, you'll see what I'm trying to explain. And I can see hovering in the sky, it's just a little dot, little pink, orange colored, look like a skiddle almost, sort of like a tennis ball. And it was, it was, it looked like a bright little dot. And I couldn't tell, like didn't have any perspective as to how big it was versus how far away it might have been. You know what I mean? And, you know, I'm looking at it and saying it's pretty odd.

There's like, we absolutely know air traffic where we happen to live, very, very little air traffic. And if there was air traffic, it was really high up and, you know, cross-country kind of traffic, right? And so I'm looking at the thing, and this is a bit out of place, and it's not really moving. And it's kind of like bright, shiny, orangy kind of color. And staring at it, standing there, trying to figure out what it was. And suddenly, like, with a click of your fingers, it moved from one end of the sky line to the other.

And it, well, when I say the other end to the other end to the other one end to another, it went from as far away as I was looking at it to being just off to an angle above my head and up through these huge pine trees that we had that line the back of our property. I mean, with a click of the fingers. Wow. So do you think it was an intelligent thing that knew you were watching it, the way it reacted? That, you know, that's what came to mind. And I've had years to think about it.

And, I mean, the speed that it moved, it was not of this earth, that's for sure. And the fact that it stopped was amongst these big pine trees. I'm not going to say directly above me, but it was close enough above me. And again, I couldn't tell the size of whatever this thing was, whether it was the size of a football field 10 miles up or the size of a tennis ball right above the tree line. You know what I mean?

Yeah. But the fact that it stopped right above and kind of wobbled around. And I'm just stood there just looking at it. like I'm not even processing it really. I'm just baffled. And again, it wobbled around in the trees, and I tried to shuffle my line of sight through the trees to follow it and look at it a bit more.

And again, just as fast as it came, boom, click. And I saw it just zip in the same direction it was traveling, just continued onwards in the straight line. It was wild. Wow. and yeah go ahead i was just going to ask you you know based off of that experience and i'm sure you've looked into it a little bit you know what do you think where do you think it came from what do you think it could have been do you think it was something that you know was built by a government

or do you think it was something more extraterrestrial or interdimensional what are your thoughts Yeah. Well, getting into my beliefs and my backgrounds helps me to depict and figure out what I think it is. My belief is that these things are interdimensional, that of this world when they want to be, and not of this world also at the same time. It can come in and out of our dimension. And I think they're supernatural. I don't, you know, we label it UFOs. But I think it's spiritual and I think it's supernatural. Okay.

So let me tell you, I don't mean to cut you off there, but I did hear just today somebody's story about a UFO. and this lady saw one up close, a UFO up close, and it had like, I guess some kind of, I don't know how to describe it, but I guess like, just for lack of better words, it had a windshield. And she could actually, she was so close to it

as she could see inside. And she saw non-human entities inside. And, like, I was like, wow, that's, that's, it was, you know, it was a very brief story that I heard. but from what I heard it was pretty detailed and I was like wow it just kind of gets you thinking and it makes you wonder are we experiencing

when we see UFOs are we experiencing the same type of thing every time or is it different you know are there things that we look at and we're like oh that's a UFO but is it the same kind of UFO that you know your neighbor saw 20 years ago or is it something totally different

that just kind of looks similar you know I mean yeah and like you and I I've talked briefly beforehand, and is it okay to explain everything that I think these things are? Sure. Absolutely. I mean, the show is yours. You speak your mind.

Yeah. Whatever. So growing up in a Christian household, learning a lot about some of the things that a lot of churches and a lot of, people don't get into, um, that exist as far as I'm concerned, the supernatural, uh, the demonic realm, um, ghosts and spirits and things like this. You know, and understanding the way in which Satan, uh, has, has manipulated, um, his hand and manipulated people into leading them astray and fooling. I mean, he's the master of the deception. That's his aim. You know, my belief is this is another set of deception, another way to manifest in the physical realm and fool people,

trick people. How it, goodness, how the demonic apparations that appear, that's what I believe they are. I believe the demonic-based, how they manifest and deceive us from a scientific level. I don't get it. I don't understand that. But I know that I believe they can't. And again, I mean, people will say, well, how does that work with the U.S. government and governments around the world figuring out alien technology and creating their own technology based from this. I don't know how that works. But I believe, back to your question, I think that these things are age-old, and I think they are all the same.

And I think different manifestations are just a product of their imagination, that do Satan's imagination to deceive with new images, new shapes, new colors, new manifestations all the time. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I know I listen to tons of podcasts and YouTube videos while I'm driving the truck and everything, and I hear just so many different ideas and thoughts and opinions as to what these things are. and it really all boils down to, you know, bottom line is it's literally a UFO, unidentified flying

object. And we all have our different thoughts and opinions and theologies and all that jazz. And that's what we build our lives off of, you know, and that's fine, you know. And it's just one of those things where everybody's going to have a little bit of a different opinion on things. And I don't want you to feel like you can't share your opinion on the show. That's what we're here for. So you're definitely right on track with all that stuff. Right on. Yeah. So, I mean, that was that experience. Yeah, I mean, it sounds very interesting. I've had a similar experience when I was a kid growing up that my mom reminded me of not too long ago. And I've been spending some time thinking about it and stuff. The more I think about it, the more I'm like, huh, that was a little odd. So,

Maybe one of these days I'll share it, but I don't think I'll share it today. Right on. I'll wait for that one. So, okay, you guys hop on a plane and you fly to Canada to start living in Canada. Actually, we'll get back on the plane. We'll go back for a little bit. How about that? Sounds good.

That was another, this was more of a creepy encounter that I had whilst living, at that house, but where I saw the UFO. Okay. Yeah, the property there was an old house in a little village. And so I was probably around the same age. And I was having a hard time sleeping at night. I was going through periods and it was on and off, But I was going through periods of waking up and here you go.

Everyone's waiting for it. Waiting up at 3 o'clock on the nose without any prompting, any noises, any, anything. I just sat up, you know, just wake up, you know. And look at my clock. It's a fraction before 3 o'clock. It's right on 3 o'clock, really close. And, you know, the events that. would take place after that.

Sometimes it would be stranger and louder and more different than others. Other nights it would just be wake up and then go back to sleep. But a couple different times I had some pretty creepy experiences with

well, in the weatherhouse is situated in our property we had a little concrete walkway. And you imagine small little British cottage with small little walkways and hedgerows and things like that. Overgrown hedgerows.

It was pretty tight little walkway along the side of this house. And halfway up the side of the house was my bedroom window. And right outside my window, there's a little gate that was spring-loaded along this walkway. And you'd click the clicker thing up, swing it open, carry on walking, it was shut behind you, one of those. and one particular light woke up at 3 o'clock these experiences waking up at 3 I'd usually have an overwhelming fear

I'm thinking I don't really have anything to be scared of like I'm not I'm not scared of anything in particular I'm not somebody a kid that made things up but these overwhelming feelings like it's like you can't stop them they just control you you know and this particular night I woke up at three

and I'm just paralyzed paralyzed, paralyzed to the point where I can barely breathe and I'm locked in my bed with the covers up to my chin and I hear footsteps like you know like

the garden path outside the window and I hear this gate and you know when you live in a house and you just know every noise that it makes you know when your mom's come home or you know when somebody is doing something in a certain room in the house

because you've heard all those sounds throughout the house a hundred times, right? Yeah, absolutely. I could tell that was somebody or something walking up this garden path. Sure enough, it gets the gate and I hear the clicker go,

I hear the gate spring back and close. and then a couple more steps and stops. And then I just hear this knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock. On my, on my bedroom window. And I'm, you know, you can imagine. I'm just paralyzed with fear, freaking out. And it's not even to the point where I can scream for a parent to come in.

I'm, you know, I'm that terrified. You know what I mean? And, you know, I don't remember really how. it resolved on that that particular night i i think i was probably so terrified that i put my fingers in my ears and waited it waited for it to stop which it did uh after about 10 10 15 seconds and um and then cried myself probably but um that happened uh that happened a couple of times actually So that exact situation happened a couple times where you wake up and you're and you're not, you know, feeling too hot. And I guess you're paralyzed and then you hear the footsteps and then a knocking on your window.

You've heard that several times. I heard that several times. And I told my, I did tell my parents, I think I told my parents once. and we did have like this big we had this big bush outside the went along the walkway and it had he grew these big red berries okay like i think it's native to england this this bush and they said all the wind is probably blowing and hit the berries against the window you know when you know you know you know what you heard you know what happened you can't explain the footsteps or the gate banging

open, let alone the knocking on the window. And so what I decided to do is I actually I took my Bible

out. I had a youth Bible and I just decided I'm going to try and get this to stop by myself.

My parents didn't seem too convinced with what was going on. So one night I actually I just

before I went to bed and before I pulled my curtain shut. I lean my Bible against the window and then shut the curtains. And I guess it works because I don't remember too many more experiences like that. Wow. Okay. We work hard at being healthier. And what we really need is better quality sleep. The new sleep number 360 smart bed

intelligently senses your movements and automatically adjust your comfort and support on both sides. This is not a bed. It's proven quality sleep. It's the biggest sale of of the year where all beds are on sale. Save 50% on the new sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed plus special financing only for a limited time. To find your local sleep number store, go to sleep number.com. Special financing subject to credit approval, minimum monthly payments required. See store for details. I mean, I just, I'm fascinated by this idea that you repeatedly heard something walking up to your window. How high up were the windows on the house, or the cottage, I should say? Uh, like waist height, you know.

reasonably, I mean, if it wasn't paranormal, somebody could have walked up to the window and banged on it, right? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Anybody could have. And, but it does take another time. The story does take another time. If you want me to continue? Yeah, absolutely. Go ahead. I mean, because I'm sitting here and I'm thinking, you know. You're baffled. Yeah, well, it's like, If it was just hearing somebody walking up to the window, you know, going through the gate, banging on it, you could say, okay, well, some neighbors being a drunk idiot. But then when you're waking up with this paralyzed feeling, then you hear that and then all that happens, it adds a whole other level to it. And now you're going to, you know, give us another layer. Yeah.

So the thing to remember, like this street that I lived on, there was maybe 12 houses and, you know, everybody knew everybody. and it was tight, tight-knit. There wasn't even that one family that was kind of sketchy, you know? Everybody was pretty, we used to have street parties where we'd close off the whole street and everybody would come together and, you know, have barbecues and whatever. We were tight groups, so it definitely wasn't that. So our neighbors directly next door to us were an elderly couple.

And he used to live in the house that we were living in with his parents when he was a boy. And we found this out about two or three years later before we moved to Canada. I was probably 16, 17, so maybe four years, five years. Just before we moved, we found that he used to live. in the house and as a boy, my bedroom was his playroom, him and his sister, him and his sister, my bedroom was his playroom, okay? So he'd come home from school, they'd be playing in a playroom, and then his dad, okay, would get dropped off from work at the front street, walk up the garden path, okay, after work, knock on the window, a wave to the kids playing,

go through the gate and then come in the back door because you take all this dirty gear off at the back door. And when we heard this, I just about lost it. But it was certainly an explanation as to what was probably happening. Wow. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like an explanation to me for sure. Yeah. So I'm just glad I was old enough, a bit older and a bit less scared of the situation when I heard that answer. And we didn't tell him what was going on because it was years removed and he was going through some stuff in his later years as it was. But it was interesting to put the pieces together for sure. Yeah, definitely. So after that situation, did nothing else happen in England, I'm assuming? No, nothing else really happened in England.

All right, well, I mean, walk us through after you move to Canada, what happened after you moved here? Or I shouldn't say here, but to Canada. Yeah, so we decided to, my parents bought a piece of land 100 acres, and they wanted to build their dream home, log home on it. And so we had to rent a house to stay in for a year whilst this property was being built. So everything around here is kind of expensive to rent. And with building a house, I guess my parents cheats out, and they just found the cheapest thing they could get to rent. And found this old farmhouse that was pretty, pretty ratty, I'm going to say.

it was a new listing for a real estate agent in town and she was renting it out cheap and it was close by it to where we were building so I guess my dad said yep great it'll do the trick so I'm going to say I was I was probably 18 around 18 my sister was 16 so we were going to high school in the town there where we lived my parents parents are busy working and building this house, we're renting this farmhouse, and just creepy things would start to happen in this farmhouse. I think the first experiences, and I'm trying to put them in chronological order here, is kind of tricky, but when my family actually started to come together and say

maybe each experience weird things was well into our state, we kind of all experienced and didn't really say anything to each other because we thought we were crazy. But you would hear your name being called over your shoulder, whispered on several occasions. My mom was upstairs and I thought I heard a calling me and say, hey, yeah, what? What's up? What do you want? And no answer I'd go upstairs. Mom, what do you want?

You called me. What do you want? No, I didn't call you. And that happened multiple times with each of us, you know, back and forth. So, you know, usual stuff you hear about in creepy old houses, experiences, right? And then it was a really hot summer and I couldn't sleep upstairs. It didn't have air conditioning. So I slept on the main floor on a couch, pull out.

and we had a little chihuahua and the chihuahua slept downstairs too and in the middle of the night you'd hear this chihuahua which is completely out of character not a not a young chihuahua he'd get up and he'd run around run up and down the hall like he was playing and you know i just i thought it was just bizarre and i didn't get up I'd yell at him, you know, get in your bed. But he'd get up and he'd run around playing, which was odd. That was one odd thing. Another thing was a little creepier.

I would hear, we'd leave the doors open, like the main door to the back door and the front door. We'd leave those two doors open and leave just the mesh screen. You know, you'd have that screen, screen door. Yeah. Yeah, we'd leave that. open just to allow the air to circulate through. But on, I'd say two or three occasions, I distinctly heard them, you know, the spring on those door and they creak a little bit.

Yep. Heard open and then footsteps, very light footsteps through the house and then the back door screen open and close. And it was at that point that I said, I got to speak to my family. Something was going on here. This is weird. I confronted them the next day in the kitchen and told them that. And they both kind of had this, my, sorry, my mom and my sister, I would talk to more about this stuff.

My dad is, I actually less inclined to get into the whole spooky, there's a ghost in the house kind of stuff. He would say he's a very spiritual Christian guy, but he, I don't know. I don't know if he'd admit that the house that he was living in would potentially be haunted. It would be like a spiritual failure or something to him. So I'd speak to my mom and my sister. I spoke to them first, and they said, yeah, you know what, I've been hearing things. I've been hearing my name called a little too often.

And my sister said that she was asleep and she thought the cat was sitting up on the end of her bed on the bed and indenting the bed a little bit, which wasn't the case. She checked, looked for the cat, no cat. She had some weird stuff happening. And so I told them about the footsteps through the house. And, yeah, they just, they lost it a little bit. That was creepy. But I got about three or four more instances from the farmhouse if you want them. Yeah, I absolutely do.

Now, I just want to ask you before you got in the next one. Now, you said your mom and your sister about lost it when you told them. But how are you? I mean, you were around 18 years old. what was your reaction when you heard that? We've had a background of, it's difficult to give you the short version of what we've experienced, but my parents have been involved in the church, goodness, not even any particular church, but let's just say they've done a lot of deliverance and

ministry with people. And I've learned from an early age about the spiritual realm, about, about the occult, about demonic possession and spiritual oppression about all these things, all these creepy things that everybody's chasing and trying to experience and does it really exist. And, you know, everybody, everybody's living. looking forward to trying to prove it. And the things that my parents have been through with people and ministering to people,

a ghost story, it doesn't really, it didn't really shock me and it didn't really freak me out. You know, it's still creepy on a, on a, on a individual basis in the house late at night, sleeping on the main floor by yourself. You know what I mean? but I put it down to it being a ghost and I guess I wasn't I wasn't too shocked or too freaked out about it because I knew what it was.

We knew what it was and we know how we, I believe we knew how to fix it if it was a ghost. And so it took these experiences and a couple more that I'll get into to convince my dad that, yeah, perhaps there is something going on here spiritually. Does that answer my question? No, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

So another thing that convinced us that was something going on is the real estate agent only had one key. And it was one key for one door that we all had to share. For the meantime, I think she was getting some cut. she didn't get around to it or whatever it was. I can't remember why, but we only had one key to use. So we'd all have to use this key, and then we had a big wraparound porch at the farmhouse with, you know, wooden beams that you could sit stuff up on top all the way around. So we would, we agreed on the spot to put the key.

We'd all lock the door when we left, put it up in the spot, leave. So when somebody comes back, they know where it is, right? Simple. The key would move all the way around the porch in all kinds of different spots. And we'd yell at each other. Like, why do you put the key there? Like, stop being in the goof. And, you know, we'd all admit, we'd all, you know, argue.

I put it back where we were supposed to put it. So this key was dancing all the way around the porch, finding new spots to sit. And one time, in fact, I reached up from the key. I had to find the key, got the key, and it was bent in an actual view. Like in a complete you, it was bent. I had to like carefully straighten it out just to get in the house as well. Well, see, that sounds like, I mean, if, you know, people are listening to this, I imagine they're thinking, well, it sounds like whatever's in that house doesn't want you coming in.

Yeah, yeah. Maybe it didn't want me coming in, but maybe it did. It didn't mind my mom coming in because she had what I think is the coolest experience. The bathroom, the main floor bathroom in this house, the bathroom window. Okay, so the practical side of the house, you know what I mean by practical, like where the driveway leads up and it's on the porch and the front door and the back door. The practical side of the house is nice and open. But the back side of the house, There wasn't a backside of the houses.

It was just bramble bushes and thorn bushes, basically overgrown all the way up to the side of the house. So the bathroom window in this house, you open the bathroom window. It was just basically right into thorn bushes. So my mom was cleaning the bathroom one day with a bucket, and she had like a washcloth in the bucket. She'd finished cleaning.

She opened up the bathroom window, and she'd, you know, chucked out the dirty water into the bushes. And she didn't realize that she thrown a cloth out with the water and it was in the bushes and she lost, screw it's just an old cloth, I'll leave it. So I don't know if it's the next day or later that day, went back into the bathroom and the cloth was rung out and on the other side of the other side of the. the window sitting on the windowsill.

And she thought, oh, that's odd. One of the kids must have, for some reason, being in the form bushes back there, must have picked the cloth up and left it on the window sill. And of course, she asked us, and there's no way we would have done that. She asked by dad, of course, wasn't him. So whoever it was or whatever it was had picked up this cloth, wrung it out, and left it on the window sofa. Wow. So that's bizarre.

Yeah. No. It's very bizarre. You know, I think I was talking to Lindsay the other day. I think Lindsay brought this up to my attention. Or she asked me this question and I'll ask you this question because I thought it was a very interesting question to ask. So people, they'll say things like, you know, something moved in the house or I put something somewhere and then I came back the next day and it was

moved to the other side of the room. In those moments, in those actual moments where the object is being moved from one location to another or the key being bent, do you think that it is happening in the physical where it's literally being lifted up and just like floating across a room or the towel was floated across the ground and rung out and then put it on the windowsill, or do you think it might be an interdimensional thing where all of a sudden it just appears, like disappears and appears in another location? No, I think it physically moves in front of your eyes if you were there to see it. I don't know, obviously, don't know how it does that.

My mom ministered to somebody in England who was trying to get out of satanic ritual abuse and we're trying to get out. She was a victim of it. And whoever these satanists were didn't want her to leave and she wanted out. And so she was in a state of demonic possession and then freedom from it. And then it was like a battle back and forth day after day. And it went on for years. And one of the times she was ministering, one of the days she went to this lady's house to just check on her or ministered

or whatever she was doing, she was in the kitchen with this woman, and this woman kind of blacked out of reality. And the drawer in the kitchen opened. And knives came out of the drawer and flew across the room. And my mom didn't tell me much more than that. But she, yeah, she witnessed this happening. And so, yeah, I mean, physical objects flying and elevating, levitating, and moving like that.

I think it's part of the tricks or the abilities that the supernatural realm can manipulate in our reality when when they're able to. Yeah, no, I actually tend to lean that way myself. I mean, I definitely am very open-minded and understand that there's other dimensionals or dimensions, and within those dimensions, there are things that operate, you know, but I just tend to lean the way you lean when it comes to something physical in our dimension that is being moved from one location, another supernaturally. I do think it's actually physically being moved. Like if you were to be there or you had a video camera, you'd actually see it

moving. But it's very interesting to think about some of these things because when, and I'm not an expert, obviously I'm not an expert, I'm a truck driver, but when you think, I am, but when you think about quantum physics, not physics, but quantum physics, there's some freaky stuff that happens there because like light will react a certain way continuously until you lay eyes on the the action and all of a sudden the light will react a different way like the only thing that changes in the environment is a human being's physical eyes looking at the at the at the at the reaction of the test that they're or experiment that they're doing and the light reacts to the presence of a human's eyes looking at it. That's incredible. That is incredible. And it's something

that we just don't understand. Like, science can't explain that, you know? Yeah. No, absolutely. And like, it takes a lot of my brain to wrap my head around that, for sure. And yeah, it's puzzling. That's all I can say. Yeah. And I don't even know how I got off on that. My apologies. But so the farmhouse had, you know, a lot of that stuff going on. You mentioned how your dad wasn't the kind of person that would really go for the whole idea that his house could be possibly haunted because of where he stood with his faith and everything. Did you guys ever talk to him? Did he ever come around to that idea?

Yeah, you know what? It's funny. And that's kind of how it resolved. well a couple more little things I would I would I would I would wake up in the in the night fighting with my blankets like something was trying to rip my blankets off and I'm like I'm like half in and out of sleep right and I'm not fully awake but I have very

each morning I'd wake up I was like man it's resting my blankets and I looked down and my blankets would be on the floor on the other side of the room. That happened multiple times and that was odd. Another thing was that that show hour that we had, it actually disappeared. It disappeared from the property there. It went out to my mom let it out and it doesn't go far. Chihuahua, it's barely a dog. So it doesn't go far away from the house to go for a pee.

But it went out and she's, she's always, my mom's like a big animal person. She's always mindful to keep an eye on them when they go out at night because coyotes and whatever, you know, you never know. But it went off scuttling into the bushes and didn't come back. It was pretty odd. but then yeah sorry back to um unless you had a question about any of that no go ahead i mean i'd like to hear the rest of this yeah so my dad he finally he he he realized yeah you know something more to this than um than just crazy kids and and crazy wife uh he he prayed about it and

and he um yeah he he he he believed that there was something up um he also I don't know in which order um

this happened but he prayed through the house and he uh he basically um the way I believe the way that he and my mom do it

is to pray like you're leading somebody in prayer to give their lives to the Lord and almost like becoming a new believer

or a Christian and I mean that goes down another rabbit hole of why the Argos anyway he he he prayed in an open warm inviting way

to anybody who is in the house who maybe didn't know why they were there or didn't really want to be there and wanted to leave them to the Lord and explain that, you know, there was somebody bigger and greater there who was waiting for them to dedicate their lives to him and that you could move on from this place and be with, be with the Lord in heaven. and this is this is what he did basically and things stopped after this and it was it was it was normal it was calm uh in the house it's when it's always when we move that we find out what's going

on with the house but when towards the end of our lease for the year i guess when they were wrapping up the paperwork on the place she the real estate agent my parents asked her some questions and again it's like it's not a big deal to my parents um if the place is haunted because they they get it and and they helped it to rent right so but in asking questions um there was before we moved in a little old lady called mini baker and she died in the home and had lived in the home. I want to say since she was a little girl.

And she died, I think she was a hundred when she died. So this little lady, Minnie, really didn't want to leave the house. And loves the little chihuahua, I'm guessing. I'm just putting, I'm just guessing here. But yeah, that was the story. And, yeah, hopefully Minnie is in a better place, playing with two hours again. Happy endings.

So I wanted to ask you, though, because this is something I did want to ask you. You said you were wrestling with your covers. Now, was that something that you consciously knew you were doing in the moment, or was it something that you were sleeping? And kind of like when you woke up, you realized that you were all twisted up, and that was your conclusion? No, no. You know, I'll be reading more into it than just,

you're sleeping, you get your wife next to you, and she's tugging the duvet one way and you'll have to like fight it back a little bit and you kind of half in the sleep, half in the days, but you know what's happening? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe that's just me.

But it was kind of like that. It was, I knew I was concerned enough to wake up and see if it was really happening in the room with me. If you know what I mean. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, because I, I recently, you know, I do interviews all the time, and I recently talked to somebody who said that their mattress was moving while they were sleeping on it. And they would wake up in the morning, their mattress would be turned a complete opposite direction as to when they went to sleep.

And I have a take on that. that yeah and um there's also another person that you know said to me that they actually had something pulling them off the bed at night and it's um right and even your sister and the whole indent on the bed thinking it was the cat at first like i like i've just recently i'm talking within the last week or two i've been hearing a lot of the similar stories like what you're telling me and i just i'm one person i'm the kind of person that i don't really believe in coincidences anymore. I used to a lot, but the more I talk to people, the more I'm thinking, there's not so many coincidences as there are just parallel situations. No, they're really on.

I'm a believer that there's a reason behind everything. I guess in my instance, I mean, we were dealing with mini-baker, a hundred-year-old little old lady who was probably pretty harmless and needed to move on. My belief is that if you don't know God in this life and you're an atheist or you don't have a belief, I think you're held when you die, you got nowhere to go. And until a later date, when things get sort of. it out, you know what I mean, you're in this state of, you're in this mid, mid level realm of the dead where you can't go up and you can't go down and you're a ghost and you're stuck

and you're confused. And I think you have some angry ghosts and I think you have some confused ghosts and I think, and then there's a whole other level where you get into the demonic and demonic manipulation of human spirits when they're stuck in this position, this realm of the dead. And then you get into, okay, well, what gives these ghosts or these demons rights to manipulate my reality in my house, in my bed when I'm sleeping? there are supernatural laws of heaven and hell and the realms of the dead just like there's gravity and if you break any of these supernatural spiritual laws on earth in our time

you can open yourself up to some of these supernatural problems and I think that's what a lot of people are experiencing. same. Sometimes they do it voluntarily, and other times they, it's an accident. And some of these accidents are what you're probably hearing about, if you know what I mean. Yeah, I definitely, I definitely understand and follow what you're saying. Now, before we close out the show, you have another instance that happened at a church, right? yeah so we were going to um we were going to a little church um really nice down to us i mean we're not big in the whole how does there's there's a lot of churchiness that goes on and a lot of

politics in church that we just don't want to have anything to do with things like memberships and And church structures and, you know, all this junk that church has become. And we don't believe in that. We believe that church is a mutual gathering place for people to learn and people to help each other and get closer to God and and sharpen their spiritual tools and learn practical things and walk the wall. and do things, do the good works that we were commanded to do. And so we found this little church that kind of prescribed to this, better than another show, I would say.

We were attending this church and don't want to give too much away. The pastor and his wife had been there for, I want to say, 17 years as the leadership, as the leaders of the church. And for about 15 years, the pastor's wife had been quite ill. And she'd had, like, it was getting worse as time had moved on.

But it was like fibromyalgia. Yeah, well, I think it was that. It was an autoimmune illness. And so she was very run down all the time. She had better days and others. And I'm just trying to get the, uh,

get my bearings here. My, my mom and dad, I guess, were working with the pastor and his wife a little bit, um, at their request to kind of, just a ministry and,

and, and, because my, my parents had quite an extensive background with that stuff, like I'd already said. And the pastor, uh, was wanting to learn more and maybe get some ministries for his,

for him and his wife and trying to figure out, you know, if this is beyond sickness and we're to believe that, um, we should be healed from this stuff. And what, what's going on? And so through,

uh, prayer and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

um, uh, and, uh, and, and, and, and,

about it. The pastor is the word was was Baffermint. And he had no experience of Baffermet. He didn't know what Baffermint meant. He had to look it up.

And when he looked it up, he was shocked. And so I think he then spoke to my dad and said, you know, I've had this word. I've had this word Baphement. And as soon as dad heard, he puts and he's like okay well you know have you had anybody knew in the church or has anybody

brought anything and and given you anything um that you can remember like anything out of place anything odd any gifts anything like that and i guess he prayed about it again and i think i think I think God said a painting. Something like a painting, okay? And he had this, so he looked around and he couldn't figure it out, but he looked around his office in the church, and he had this drawing of Jesus and the three crosses, okay, on the hilltop

and Jesus upon this cross and it was quite a big drawing and it was done in pencil and he kind of picked it he had a weird feeling he picked it up and he's kind of looking at it

close and he's turning it around he's like I wonder if this is this is it and if this is the drawing

or this is he just felt led to look at this drawing. Okay? So he starts turning it around and looking at it's sideways and he turns it upside down. And as he turns it upside down, he notices that woven into the pencil drawing, woven into Jesus's beard is this, this, the picture of the Baphma. It clearly depicted drawn into his beard upside down and the crosses. that were in the eyes of Jesus.

I guess the artist had done. So when you're looking at it upright, there's crosses in his eyes, like in the pupils, which is kind of creepy as it is. But so, and there's another cross in the beard as well. And lined up symmetrically.

So when you flipped it upside down, there's the image of a bathma drawn into Jesus's beard. And above it were three cross crosses, you could, upside down, inverted crosses. And he recalled that when he and his wife took up the position in the church, he did have a visitor come to the church for a few Sundays. And after a few weeks, he brought this painting that she wanted him to have.

It's just their drawing. Appreciative and grateful he hung it up in his office in his office. it would be in there ever since. Any questions? Wow. So, all right, listen, this is a very real thing that happens. And I want you and the audience to understand that churches do get cursed. Churches do have spells cast on them. And the the occult and groups like that do try to infiltrate churches to split them up. And two of the most common ways they do that is through gossip and some kind of sexual immorality. A lot of times it involves, you know, a younger teenage girl in the church kind of thing,

something that's really emotional. but they this is something that has been talked about i've heard i've heard an ex satanic priest talk about how he used to do this over a hundred times he's done this personally yeah and so and i have other people that have told me personally some things i and and now you're just added to the list like that lady who gave him that picture was up to no good Yeah. No good. There was an agenda there, for sure. The other interesting point is

the town in which this church sits is the highest point in our province, which from a spiritual occultist, perspective is an area of significance, I believe. I don't know if you've had any knowledge or have any knowledge of that kind of stuff. But vaguely, vaguely I do, but nothing to speak to speak positive on. I just do know that, you know, throughout the biblical narrative, mountains are a very big deal. A bigger deal than what people give them credit to. A lot of things happening at the top of

mountains and a lot of supernatural things. And so that's the kind of angle I would think on off the top of my head. Yeah, absolutely. And so when he saw this in the painting, of course, he got rid of it immediately. And within a week of just throwing it out, discreetly throwing it out, he received in the mail a letter, letter-headed Church of Satan in this town, and he obviously didn't open it,

but it's just mind-blowing to learn of a situation where something like this happens and it's just clear evidence of, you know, supernatural, awkward oppression, basically. Yeah, and, you know, that should really kind of be eye-opening for everybody, really, that the fact that they sent him a letter shortly after he got rid of that picture, they probably knew that he got rid of it.

There was probably some kind of entity attached to it, some kind of entity attached to that picture and that they were attached to and understood that the picture was found out. I think it was probably used as a portal. A portal for getting in and out of the church and because they astral project and...

Absolutely. A demonic portal too, so there could be entities, energies, spiritual oppression in the church. Yeah, it's a very, very interesting story. And, you know, just for people to really realize that if you're sitting on the fence and you're trying to, you're listening to this for kicks and you're getting in, interested in this subject and you're thinking about trying to get your own experiences and you're kind of leading toward the supernatural way to find this versus say go out and find a big third

or go and look in the sky for UFOs. The occult is probably the last place you want to start for getting supernatural experiences. It's very real. there's very real power and it's something that is difficult to undo once you open that door. And I've seen it and I've seen what people go through to get away from it and get out of it. Some people are lucky in others. No, I absolutely agree with you. And what you just said is absolutely true that there is real power involved in this. and it's not good power.

And like you said earlier, I think you were talking about what your mom and dad did. It's hard to get out once you're in. There's people who have gotten out, but they got out by leaving town and disappearing for years because if they were found, they would be killed. That sounds like the mob, but it's very much a reality when it comes to some of these occults.

and these sex that people are involved in, especially depends on how deep you're involved in it. I mean, there's different levels to everything. And if you're high up in there like a priest or something, to get out is pretty much to disappear because there's no leaving, just walking out the door. And even disappearing, I mean, you might be able to disappear from your physical church, or state members that you're used to seeing. But the spiritual level, you're still open game for the spirit realm. And you can be haunted and demonized wherever you go.

And in the instance that my mom was dealing with, there were people astral projecting into her house, into her bedroom. and just the most hideous awful things you can think of were happening, that you can think could happen were happening. And you can't control that. You can't control that with policemen. You can't control that with, you can't have somebody stay up all night and watch you.

There's a spiritual level that people don't understand. And the spiritual side will haunt you and pester you and scare you, and for as long as you let it happen, and that's the other side to consider. Yeah, absolutely. Those are some great advice there, man. Yeah. But, Nate, I really appreciate you coming on tonight and sharing some of these stories. That last one got me all riled up because it's in my wheelhouse, so.

Yeah. Yeah, man, I really appreciate coming on. You're welcome. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. man. And, you know, you know where to get a hold me if you ever have any other stories to share. Yeah, I certainly do. And hopefully we'll keep it pretty plain and simple from now on. Now I know what I'm looking for. Absolutely, man. All right, man. Well, take care, right?

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