The Confessionals - 24: Bigfoot, Ghosts, and Light of Saratoga

Episode Date: July 1, 2017

In Episode 24, Nick from Texas discusses his life of strange experiences, including bigfoot, an aggressive demonic presence, and the Light of Saratoga! Slapped Ham YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/SlappedHamTV Slapped Ham Website: http://slappedham.com/ Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel Tony's Instagram: tony_merkel Tony's Facebook: www.facebook.com/tbmerkel Outro: DjsFromMars:Taylor Swift Vs Black Sabbath - Bad Blood Vs Iron Man (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKx3z49CkHM)

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See store for details. You feel like it's out until it's bright out. Just another lonely night to sacrifice your life. Staying in the shadows. It's called prolet for the rest of the night. You guys hear that? Welcome to the show, everybody. I am your host, Tony Merkel, and I am really glad that you're here.

And I'm really glad to be here. I got a lot of great stuff planned for us tonight. We're going to be interviewing two different people tonight. One is Nick, and he shares his. encounters that he's had throughout his entire life living in Texas. And we're also bringing on Callan. Callan actually runs the popular YouTube channel, Slap to Ham. He's got over 400,000 subscribers on his YouTube channel today. And he wants to spend some time with us talking about his channel and talking about some articles that he has posted on his website. Before we get into these guys,

though, I want to bring on Lindsay because Lindsay has some really exciting, fun news to share with us today. So we are excited to announce that the Confessionals podcast is now registered for the 12th annual podcast awards. This is a worldwide podcast competition where podcasters, usually amateurs, they register for the award. And then from today, July 1st through July 31st, it's an open voting period. So what we want to ask is that people who listen to the show and really love the show, please vote for the confessionals. What you'd want to do is go to www.com. At the top of the page, you'll see a button that says nominations are open. And what you do, when you click that, they just want you to sign up quickly. They send you a link just to verify

who you are. And then you're able at any point to go on and vote for the confessionals. Thanks, Linz, for that update. And I really appreciate you coming on and doing that for me. hopefully people go and check out the website and vote for us and help us win this competition. Next up on tonight's show we're bringing on Callan. Callan is running the YouTube channel Slapt Ham from Australia. Slaptham is one of those YouTube channels that makes lists of top 10 or top five, whatever. Usually there's scary pictures or scary videos. And Callan is coming on with me tonight to talk about one of the articles he posted on his website.

So let's get to Callan. Okay, tonight I have a special guest coming on for a short little segment before we get to our main interview here. I'm bringing on Callan and Callan started the YouTube channel Slapt Ham. And I would definitely recommend you guys going in and checking out Slapt Ham on YouTube, give it a subscribe and actually hit that alarm button or that little bell next to the subscribe button. That will alert you every time he puts a new video up. So I definitely recommend you guys doing that. And check out his website, Slaptam.com. He's got a lot of good articles on there. And actually we're going to be discussing one tonight. Callan, how are you?

Yeah, I'm good, man. Thanks for having me. Oh, man. It's great to have you, man. This is something that we've been trying to do for a while, but it's kind of hard. We're learning. It's hard to arrange a schedule when somebody else is in Australia and I'm in the United States, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we've been playing a bit of tag, but yeah, the welcome to my world, working from Australia. It's tough doing business with America. Absolutely, man. I mean, I know when we were talking a little bit there, I couldn't believe it was a 14-hour difference. between you and I.

Yeah. I mean, it just definitely makes it a little... Yeah, it's Tuesday morning there, Monday night here. Gotcha. Yeah, I'm in the future. The future is bright. So how's Tuesday? Yeah, it's great.

All right, so, well, listen, you and I were talking, and we came across this article of yours on your website, the most creepy ghost photos we've ever seen. And before we get into that, why don't you let people know, How did Slap Ham come about? And what exactly do you do on Slap Ham? Yeah, sure.

Well, basically, yeah, I had just finished up a degree in professional writing and editing and was figuring out what on earth I'm going to do with myself. And a friend of mine, I'm actually close friends with Danger Dolan. So some of you listening might know him. He runs Planet Dolan, which is quite a significant YouTube channel. And basically, yeah, he just showed me. what he was doing and how he was making videos and that just struck a chord with me and I was just thought I yeah I could absolutely do that as well so um gave it a whirl you know he showed me

how to do it and he gave a shout out to our channel which in the beginning is is absolutely crucial for growing a YouTube channel so that was a massive leg up and basically it went from there it was super hobby level in the beginning sort of one video a week and then um just kept growing and growing and yeah now my brother and i do it full time um from our house here and yeah it's just the best job in the world basically yeah absolutely i mean i'm looking at your youtube channel right now and the top that your top most rated videos or i should say most viewed and the most viewed video on here is uh 10 real photos that cannot be explained it seems like a lot of people gravitate towards the mysterious uh list that you have on here the more i look at is that what you

have seen as well. Yeah, absolutely. For some reason, our audience just loves the paranormal stuff. We do all kinds of stuff, you know, like we'll do, you know, top 10 weirdest toys or today we did the viral hoax videos that have sort of fooled the media and stuff like that. So we did that today. But generally, yeah, our audience absolutely loves the paranormal stuff. Yeah, I've noticed that myself, obviously with my show. I do a lot of paranormal with stuff as well. And people just, they're really intrigued by things that they don't understand. And I think that's the basic root of things is that as human beings, the things that you just can't make sense of, you're compelled to look at more and more because it's just so mysterious.

Yeah, absolutely. It's the basis of the internet, basically. Absolutely. Absolutely. So this article that you sent over to me, and I was looking at it earlier, and I really liked it. Actually, I liked almost all these photos in here. I was seeing some crazy stuff. And I know you have about five photos on here that you would like to talk about. But I want to start you off. I'm not sure if this is on your list. But the number nine, great lady of Hampton Court, that photo looks crazy.

What's the story behind that, do you know? Yeah, yeah. It's a crazy one, isn't it? Particularly because it's so sort of high-deaf. Normally, ghost photos, you know, there's the old potato camera joke that people always say. It's always like low definition, you can't really see much. But this one is crazy because it's so, like the lighting and stuff, if you look at it, is amazing. So for someone to hoax that, it's incredible work if they have.

But basically what it is is, so this young girl, Holly, she was at Hampton Court, which is there's a big palace in Surrey, UK, there in England. And she was there with her cousin and they were walking around and she was taking some snaps. And she took this photo and basically they think it's this kind of, they call it the Grey Lady of Hampton Court. So they think it's this Dame Sybil Penn, which was an old servant in Hampton Court who died of small. pox back in 1562. Basically, the story goes, they all

through Hampton Court, they kept seeing these strange sightings of this strange old lady, you know, walking down the hallway and, you know, out the side of her eyes in the periphery and all that sort of critters. They, in 1829, they moved her tomb

after some renovations. And then after that, they heard some weird noises filling the place and all that sort of stuff. And then late at night, they could hear this spinning wheel kind of like ticking every night behind one of the walls in the palace. And so they opened the wall and they found this secret room where there was this old spinning wheel. And so basically they think that this was this old lady, you know, Dave Sybil Penn, Dame Symbol Penn who, you know, haunted the place and had this old spinning wheel.

wheel behind this secret room, which is super creepy and very fitting of an old creepy English palace, I think. Yeah, absolutely. Almost like that holds the key to the whole mystery, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a movie almost, you know, like, you know, finding a secret room and there's an old spinning wheel. Yeah, it's a crazy story. And this photo just backs it up. It's, yeah, it's an amazing, amazing picture. Yeah. So, What is your most favorite picture on this list of top 10 here? The one that creeps the most, I'll just bring it up here one moment. It's the one taken in the, so it's number two on the list.

It's called the crematorium ghost. And this one is probably the most realistic ghost photo I've ever seen. Basically, so this mother and daughter were just hanging out in their house, taking some selfies, and they took this photo. And you can see on the right there, there is this creepy spectral figure kind of just floating there. And I mean, if you're in a Photoshop, to pull that off, you would have to be an absolute master. You can kind of see, it's almost like the figure's flow. And you can see on her face, it's like it's bloated almost. Just gives me the creeps.

But basically, what it was, this photo started circulating in 2014 after she took this photo of herself with her daughter. And they saw that creepy figure in the background. And it scared the mom so much she hired this paranormal investigator to look into the history of the house. And basically, what they found was that the house used to be a fully functioning crematorium. where the would have housed hundreds of dead bodies. So that just with the backstory and the realisticness of this photo, it just, yeah, it gives you a bit of chills, I reckon. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, I didn't notice the bloated face until you said that. It would be our right,

her left side, the whole left side of the face looks distorted and almost blown out. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like almost like as if, yeah, there's some swelling there or something, you know, and her hair is kind of almost floating there just to the left. And the whole body looks like it's elevated. And yeah, when I saw this, I was like, yeah, gave me, gave me the creeps for sure. Yeah. You know, it kind of reminds me, and I don't know why exactly reminds me, actually, I know why, because I covered a story early on in this show's history where, and you might have even seen it go around the internet, a girl in Georgia took a selfie in her truck and she caught a picture of a ghost standing next to her brother in the background of the pickup truck.

Well, I actually was able to track down that girl and her mom, and I interviewed them. And this really reminds me of that because of the whole mom and daughter taking a selfie thing and it goes popping up in the background. It's very interesting. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's always the kind of, they swear that no one else was there. That's always the backstory for a lot of ghost photos. but yeah, this one sort of has a lot of those details that make it just that little bit more credible, I think.

Yeah. Okay, so I'm looking at this list and I have to ask you, number three, missing limb, what is going on in that picture? Yeah, this one I stumbled across in a, so it was a ghost forum where so a whole bunch of people get together and discuss photos that they've taken themselves. and this was taken on a, I think it was like Christmas Eve or something. And so he's taken a picture of his young son there and his daughter. And basically, yeah, her sort of be her right arm is just vanished. And in its place is this super creepy shadow with like long, slender fingers. And the other thing too is the shadow looks like it's wearing a long,

dress whereas the young girls wearing shorts so that that little detail in itself is just super creepy yeah um and yeah so basically this guy it goes by that alias peter he submitted the photo to the to the to the forum just wanting to get get some support and and some advice on what on earth is going on with his daughter and no one could really explain it the closest explanation i've seen is that it could be that it's some kind of motion blur that her arm was moving so quick that so if you kind of so the tip of the arm there could actually be her hand facing forward and then it it's created a motion blur and then the shadow up but then yeah it doesn't really explain the shadow to me no so yeah this one is is is off the charts creepy i

think absolutely i mean i'm looking at that that shadow and you're right i mean those fingers they don't even look like fingers it looks like there's an arm and then like a stub at the end of the and off that stub is almost like these long strands of thick hair or something. It really, it really looks creepy. And I didn't even notice the whole dress in the shadow until you mentioned that. Yeah, like, because if she was wearing shorts, I mean, you would have a more slender kind of profile there. But it's like that the figure is wearing a dress, which, yeah, does my head in a little. Yeah, absolutely.

So this, I don't even know how to describe this picture. It looks like a family photo. It's number five. It looks like a family photo. And it looks like there's somebody there, but they're highlighting it as they're not supposed to be there. Is that what I'm supposed to be getting at? Number five.

Hospital ghosts. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This one, hang on, just bringing it up. We have incredibly slow internet here in Australia. so you'll have to bear with me. Yeah, the Newsham Hospital Ghost. So this one's an interesting one too because they were all on a ghost tour.

So they're all walking around this hospital on a ghost tour led by an instructor who basically that's his full-time job, you know, telling about the creepy ghost stories that sometimes happen at this hospital. So they took a group photo and when they reviewed the photo, they saw right in the middle there, yeah, there's this pale, creepy, ghost-looking figure with sort of long black hair. And even at the bottom there, too, just under the initial pale face, there's another second pale face just below there.

I don't know whether it's a T-shirt or what, but there's two incredibly creepy figures there. And then when the, basically when the group leader was reviewing the photo, he asked around and asked all the group members whether they could remember anyone that matched that profile. And everyone was just dumbfounded because they were certain that there was no one there in the middle there right next to, you know, that that lady there, the old guy there, he said basically there was no one there. So they've clearly captured something very unnerving with this photo for sure. Wow. Yeah. You know, I didn't even notice the second face below, but it definitely... Yeah, it needed it. I initially, when we released the video on our YouTube channel, everyone was like, yeah, but what about that second creepy face? And then I was like, oh, yeah, there is, there's totally another figure there. So who knows what's going on with this one,

basically, yeah. Yeah. And you know, I come from, I got my start and all this stuff with the whole Bigfoot scene. And when I'm looking at these different photos and stuff that people send over, or, you know, I'll do a video analyzing something. A lot of times I'll, I'll say, this isn't, you know, anything, it's a tree stump or whatever. And a lot of times people say, yeah, but what about that in the background? And I look and I'm like, there's nothing there. What are you talking about? But this time, there's actually another face there. It's very visible. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, often it's like some sort of distorted pixel or something. And they're like, look at that. It could be something. And it's like, yeah, clutching its straws a bit there.

But this one, yeah, is incredible. I wonder what the guy standing behind this ghostly figure and the girl standing in front of it think, knowing that there was something right there that they didn't see, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy in the back there, he would have had a clear view, basically. There wouldn't have been anyone there. And then to review that photo would have been chills for sure. Yeah. So let's look at one more picture.

What picture would you like to wrap this up with? I, hang on, let me have a look. Just loading it. I think it's number six. Let's bring it up. Six and seven are pretty amazing. Six is probably the creepiest, just because that. So we're talking about the faceless girl here.

So basically, this was 1943 in Hungary. a guy and his wife were out walking and he decided to take a photo of his wife against this pole here. And then when they, so they said that no one was around when they took this picture. And then when they reviewed, so I guess back in 1943, you had to print it and all that sort of stuff. So when the photo was developed, there is clearly a armless girl in a white dress in the back there with no face, no arms. And then just below that, there's another leg jutting out sort of from the left of the lady in the front there. He's somehow hiding behind her. So there should be almost a whole other person there that you can't see.

You can just see his leg jutting out. So, yeah, there's just two inexplicable objects in this picture that the guy that took the photo has no explanation for. Yeah, that's... And they're just the creepiest thing in the world, I think, a black, ghostless girl with a white dress, you know, that's classic horror film pretty much. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's nothing scarier than a little girl, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Just kind of staring in the background, absolutely. Yeah, but I mean, I guess if you're trying to look at it skeptically, you could say maybe the little girl is standing, you know, like she's, you know, trying to be cute or something and she has her hands behind her back. And that's why you can't see the arms, but it does not explain the lack of face.

Yeah, and it's kind of oblong, like the face is almost long and tall and black. And just, I don't know, maybe she's wearing a mask or something and they didn't notice. But, yeah, very strange. And then that leg, I'm not sure what's going on there. Yeah, and another thing is you look at the time frame or time period in 1943. I mean, what kind of masks the kids? the kids wear in those i mean you'd have to really kind of look into the culture and stuff but i mean you're looking at a time where you're just coming out of the great depression you know yeah there was no luxuries

at that time i mean people were standing in lines for bread and milk and so to have a mask of some sort of just for fun it doesn't yeah absolutely yeah pretty indulgent stuff but yeah so super creepy image for sure yeah now you mentioned it so let's do do it. I mean, number seven, fatal motorbike accident. Talk to me about this one, man. Yeah, and this is a relatively new one, which is great. Like, if you, I mean, because we quite regularly do ghost photos on our YouTube channel and it can be hard to sort of dig up some new quality images. So this one's, yeah, very interesting. July 14th, 2016, so just last year, a truck driver called Sol Vasquez.

He took this photo while passing this kind of, there was an accident on the Bert T.combe's Mountain Parkway in eastern Kentucky. So just as he was driving by, he snapped this pick. So you can see there's two paramedics there and a whole bunch of onlooking people. But then just above the people's head there, there is what looks like some kind of white, I don't know what you'd say, a white figure or some kind of ghostly sort of looking apparition rising up into the trees there.

So at the time, he didn't know what was going on. So then he's reviewed the photo and then looked up the news. And basically, yeah, a motorbike accident had occurred and the man died on site pretty much as this photo was taken. So he posted it on his Facebook page and there was a lot of speculation. But, yeah, basically a lot of people think that this could actually be his spirit or his soul, you know, like lifting up from his body at the moment of death, which is something else, basically. Yeah, amazing stuff. Yeah, because, I mean, people could say, okay, well, he's driving by, motion blur. But the thing is, when you're looking at this picture, nothing is blurred.

You can see details of the people standing there in the crowd. There's nothing blurred. So you can't really say there's motion blur here. Yeah. It definitely looks like some kind of white humanoid figure ascending above the crowd of people. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, because, yeah, as you pointed out, I mean, the guy's on the right there in the high-vis shirt. He's very detailed.

And then the whole group looking on, yeah, you can make out everyone. And then the white figure, yeah, it has a different quality to it. I mean, it's possible it's photoshopped. I mean, it could be just a little smudge or something like that, but yeah, it's a hard one to explain. And yeah, it went crazy on Facebook. It got shared, you know, thousands of times because it's just such an interesting story. Yeah. So, all right.

Before we get out of here, let me ask you one question here. You post a lot of these pictures and videos of the, you know, paranormal ghosts. ghosts, you know, and people like it. What are your thoughts on it? What do you think about the whole paranormal thing? People are saying they see these ghosts and or they experience hauntings. What are your personal thoughts on that stuff? Yeah, I mean, it's a tough one because I generally, I don't know, I sort of identify as agnostic. So I'm kind of neither here nor there. There's not quite enough evidence for the afterlife, but then there's not enough evidence that there's not. sort of thing. And then as I got into this YouTube channel, doing more and more of this paranormal

stuff, I mean, you see, you see some dodgy Photoshop jobs all the time. But I mean, you know, sort of the ones we've looked at tonight, they do make a question, you know, whether there is something else going on that we can't explain. And, you know, maybe these photos are some, some evidence to suggest, you know, there is something else going on that humans can't quite perceive. So, yeah, I mean, I'm still on the fence a little, but the more I work on Slaptam, the more I see these kind of creepy images, yeah, it definitely keeps me up at night sometimes thinking about some of these things. Yeah, absolutely.

So the jury's still out for you. Yeah, basically, yeah. I'll tell you, I really enjoy the, the, channel. I think we kind of connected because you saw we were sharing some of your videos and stuff. But yeah, I absolutely love it. I really would highly encourage you and your brother to continue doing it, continue to expand. You guys got a great channel going. I highly recommend everybody checking it out. It's Slapped Ham. You can look them up on YouTube. And like I said, hit subscribe and hit that little bell button so you get alarmed every time he posts a new video.

And also check out his website, Slaptham.com. He's got a lot of great lists. of pictures and things and not just paranormal stuff. There's a lot of good stuff on there. Definitely go check it out. Callan, thank you very much for coming on. Yeah, cheers, dude. It's been amazing. Absolutely.

I'll talk to you soon. Yeah. See you later. We work hard at being healthier. And what we really need is better quality sleep. The new sleep number 360 smart bed intelligently senses your movements and automatically adjust your comfort and support on both sides.

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Okay, so hopefully you guys go ahead and check out Cowan's YouTube channel, Slapt Ham. And go ahead and check out his website as well, Slaptham.com. He's got a lot of good stuff on there, so give him a subscribe on YouTube and hopefully you enjoy the content. Next on tonight's show, we have Nick coming on. Nick has had a life of experiences down in Texas. Anything from Ghost to Bigfoot to UFO? I know you guys are going to enjoy hearing what he has to say, so let's get to Nick. Okay, tonight I have a great guest coming on. Nick, he actually contacted me on Facebook on the Facebook page, the Confestuals Facebook page, and him and I have been talking for a while now, and it's just been, you know, one of those hit and miss things.

I know, Nick, you just graduated college or something like that, right? Uh, yes, that's correct. Yeah, and I'll be transferring to a university pretty soon to finish up my degree. That's right. That's right. Yeah, because I know when you first contacted me, you said something about graduating in a week or so, and I was like, okay, so the guy's busy. So I knew this would be a process of getting you on and stuff, but I'm really glad that we're talking tonight. You mentioned in the messages, and we talked about it before we came on air tonight, that you had some UFO encounters and also some kind of like, you know, spiritual, demonic encounter that you had. Why don't you walk us into the UFO encounters, the first one when you were about seven or eight years old? What happened there?

When I was living in Cleveland, Ohio still, I was about seven or eight, like you mentioned. And my family, we were visiting our great aunt for Easter. And so it was a nice, stay out, you know, clear skies, not a lot of clouds, really. And I just remember being in the front yard with my brother who's two years older than me. So he was about nine, ten, eleven, somewhere around there. And so we were just, you know, talking, whatever, doing what kids doing, front yard playing around. So then we looked up in the sky and we were like, what is that? And sure enough, it was an ice cream cone. And as, as we were, you know, we were like, like, what is that? And as weird as that sounds, I knew it wasn't a kite.

Like, I flew crates when I was a kid. I know how high they go. And this thing was so high in the sky. Like, I don't think, like, airplanes could go that high. And I knew it was an ice cream cone because we saw, like, the tip of it. And I want to say it's vanilla. I don't know. But, yeah, it was an ice cream cone.

I told my brother, I was like, you know, is that an ice cream. cream cone. We were like, yeah. So then we didn't make anything of it. And we just went to the backyard of our ants and made a genderbread house because of Easter time. But, yeah, I don't think we really talked to our parents or anybody about that situation. You just kind of brushed it off. And later on, we were just like, oh, yeah, fine ice cream cone. But I never really cooked the two together until I actually was Googling. And I was like, you know what? Let me see if I'm crazy or not.

And so I found some things on Google on this one website called the Mercury News. And they say they have multiple reports. And one of them comes from 1950 in San Jose. And mine was about 1997, 1998, so about 40 plus years since then. And basically what this report says is that people saw, including military officials, a flying ice cream cone in the sky. And they were saying what colors it was, vanilla or chocolate. So that got me thinking. I was like, you know what?

Maybe that was something legitimate that I saw, you know? like maybe something real and not make-belief and not a kite because I knew it wasn't a kite at all. So that's something I'm still skeptical about today. And believe it, a lot of people online have seen something like an ice cream cone shaped in the sky flying. So, yeah, that's the first encounter. Wow. So, all right. When you first say something like that, I'm sure, I mean, have you told a lot of people about this? Because I'm sure you get really mixed reactions. Right. Yeah. No, I've only told like a handful of close friends. That's about it. I mean, nobody's going to believe in ice cream cones in this guy. Right. So, okay, because when you first said that, I kind of was taken back, I was like, really, an ice cream cone? So let me ask, let me ask you, it wasn't from your D-T.

tails, it wasn't just the shape of an ice cream cone, but it literally looked like an ice cream cone. Yeah, exactly. And like, it moved, like, a airplane or something would move in the sky. I don't know how else to describe it, but it's just moving in the sky. And I could tell clearly it was an ice cream cone with ice cream on it. That's bizarre. That's absolutely bizarre. So, all right, so I'm actually looking on Google right now, as you were saying, because I was like, I had to look this up. And I do. I see, I see people talking about this flying ice cream cone. I guess this is why when you and I were talking, you said it's a flying something, a UFS, an undefined flying something, because it's just not your typical UFO sighting. But there's a lot of people that are saying similar things. And I'm seeing

a lot of different sketches of an upside down ice cream's cone. Was yours upside down or upside right or right side up? See, I don't know. I mean, like when you move your head up to look at the sky, it kind of distorts your viewing, I guess. But I guess because we turned around when we were looking at it. We're looking at it from all different angles as much as we could see down on the ground. But I saw it from both ways, I guess he could say.

So you saw it from both ways. Is that because it moved or it was just a different vantage point or what? I mean both. Yeah, it was moving as we saw it. And I believe we looked down and looked up and it was gone. So that was really weird for us. And, you know, we were kids. We didn't make anything of it.

So how long was the encounter roughly? I want to say maybe like maybe a minute or so. Because we were, like my brother and I were talking like, oh, that's an ice cream cone. we were looking at it while we're talking, and that was about it, really. So maybe 30 seconds, I'm not really quite sure. So let me ask you, how many people were with you when you saw this? Well, my brother and I were on the front lawn looking at it, but my parents and my great aunt and uncle, they were at the house,

but they weren't at the front lawn. All right, so is you and your brother? Right. Have you ever talked to your brother? about this since? Oh, yeah. I mean, I brought it up to him. And for both of us, it's kind of like a running joke.

Like, oh, yeah, you remember the flying ice cream cone? Oh, yeah. You know, we laugh about it, but that's about it. I mean, he's not one really for the supernatural, paranormal sort of thing. But I don't know. I kind of question a flying ice cream cone, you know? Yeah. I mean, so what do you think it was?

I mean, do you believe, what do you think UFOs are, first of all? You know, what are your thoughts on that? And then how does that relate to your experience, your first experience here? Well, after doing research online about UFOs, what I've seen, I think that they can be in all different shapes and sizes and looks and sounds. and if they have any lights on them, I think they can all be different like that. So I think after finding other people having reports even way before I was born

that there's reports about a flying ice cream tone, I don't think I'm so crazy in believing that it's true. But I don't know, I have to, I guess I have to believe it's true. I mean, other people are saying it. I'm saying it. And I still believe it's true to the day.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you saw what you saw, and nobody can take that away from you. Right. So, I mean, when it comes to UFOs and the things that you've looked into, before we move on to your next encounter here, what's your general senses as to what these things are, though? not just the ice cream cone UFO, but just in general, like when people are seeing things in the sky, do you think it's all the same thing? Do you think they're different sources?

What do you think? See, that's kind of hard. Like a lot of people are like, oh, you know, it's military ships. And people are like, no, I know it wasn't military because of how they look. I don't know what they are. I wish I knew what they were, but I feel like it's something that we as humans can't fathom or can't explain until we have some sort of evidence in front of us,

I guess, you could say. But I don't know. I want to know. I want to know what I saw that day. And I want to know what other people see. But I don't know. I don't know if it's something of this world, out of this world. I have no clue.

Yeah, it's a fair assessment, man. Most people don't. You know, most people don't really know about these things at all. I mean, everybody has their ideas and thoughts and guesses, but nobody really knows what it actually is. So you're seven or eight years old, and you see this. Later on in life, you see a UFO again. What happened?

right that's correct uh about uh two two years ago or so two to three years ago or so two to three years and it was a summer night uh i was taking out the trash the front yard you know and you know everything was fine as usual hot out uh i was living in houston texas at this time so it's hot no matter what time of day or night it is. So, you know, I was taking out the trash and I was just looking around, looking at the sky and such. And so then I see up above my house in the sky, it was a cloudy night too. And I see these lights going around these clouds. And I was like, you know, that's strange.

and it got to thinking that at car dealerships, you know how they have those lights that go, they move back and forth to try and tell people that they're there. And I was like, you know, that looks like it, but it's not because I know how they move, and this isn't moving like that. There was about six lights or so, and they're all circling each other, like in a circle motion, and they're just going around in a circle and just moving.

on the cloud and I could tell it wasn't being portrayed on the cloud. It was, I guess you could say, through the cloud. Like the clouds didn't, it wasn't there. It was above the clouds. And those car dealership lights, they don't go above the clouds. So I was like, okay, I had all these thoughts around to my mind. So when I take out my phone in my pocket and I call my brother, brother who's in the house at the time.

And I was like, hey, come outside right now. And I just hung up and I was still watching it. So he came outside and I said, look. And then we watched it. And I was like, what do you think that is? And he was quiet for a moment. I was like, those aren't lights. And he's like, no, those that's, no.

He's like, that's something different. And that's all we were saying for the entire time it was there we're like that's something different that's not real that's not right and you know I told them about the car dealership life and he's like no that's not it I'm like I know it's weird

it's not normal and so we were watching it and we were up in the sky we saw a plane like an airplane at night time and we saw it I don't know if it's because of we couldn't see or what

But so as these lights were going around, we saw a plane fly into the clouds, and we never saw it fly out. So, I mean, we could just not see the plane or who knows. But then that got me thinking, too, when that happened to us. As I was happening, I told my brother, I was like, you know, on Facebook, we were, we had some friends that lived in the area and they lived like north to us and they said the other day or the previous days they saw some strange lights on the sky so we were like you know whatever but then when it happened to us i brought that up and we're like that's strange so these lights either moved or they're just something that was citywide and they are no longer here so i've no

clue what it was. I just know that it wasn't normal at all. So was it, how many lights were you seeing? It was about six lights. Okay. And so would you describe it as the source of the lights were above the clouds? Is that what you were trying to say? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I would say that it was definitely coming from above the clouds. Okay. Got. Gotcha. Now, when you saw the plane go into the cloud, did that startle you at all that you weren't able to see it? Or was it one of those clouds that was just so big it could have gone anywhere? I mean, did you even maybe hear about a missing plane after that? See, that's the thing. It wasn't like a heavy cloud you couldn't see through. We saw, you know, the lights through it and we saw the plane go through it. We didn't see it come out. And so my initial thought was, you know, if this is something, we would hear about a missing plane the next day or hours from now since it was, you know, the nighttime.

And to my understanding, I never heard about a missing plane. So maybe we just couldn't see it when they passed through the cloud or I don't know, but I just remember seeing a plane go through there and not coming out. Okay. That's interesting. Kind of like a Bermuda triangle-ish, you know? Yeah, definitely. So, all right, so that happens to you. Is that something you and your brother have talked about since?

Not really, no. I mean, we don't, I would say no. I was just trying to think of if we did in the past couple years since it did happen. Now, do you think that's because of his lack of, interest in these kind of topics? Or do you think, you know, maybe something else? Because I've heard people describe that they saw a UFO with several other people. And after they experienced the UFO, they just went about their business and didn't really talk about it. Or they saw Bigfoot together. And they go about their business and they don't really talk about it. They just kind of like let it go.

And to me, that's not natural behavior. Because if I saw something that was, you know, extraordinary, like seeing a UFO or even seeing strange lights in the sky that you just can't really describe the source of. And you're like, what is that? I'm the kind of person that I would talk about it right away with whoever I experienced with. And I probably would talk about it several times after that because I'm just unlike that. Now I understand not everybody's like me. but I do find it odd that sometimes people experience these things and they just never talk about it.

And so, I mean, I was just wondering, is it something that you think because your brother's just not into these topics, he doesn't talk about it, or do you think maybe there's something else going on? See, I think you have a good point. I would say, of both of us, I'm more of the skeptical kind. Like, if I see something and I don't know what it is, I want to see it again,

or keep learning about it to actually know what it is. I would say that something like of that, I would have to bring it up in the conversation or it would never get brought up, you know? So I don't know, I don't think he's, like, scared of it or, like, doesn't really want to talk about it. I think it's just something that he's not as interested as, say, I am. If that makes any sense.

no yeah absolutely it does make sense when you saw these things and even the even the first UFO so both these you know UFS experiences you know unidentified flying somethings when you experience both these did you hear any sounds yeah remember

any sounds I mean like one was in the daytime and one was at night they're both well the first one was clear blue skies you know and the second one it was a cloudy night and I didn't hear any sounds whatsoever. And looking back, I'm like, you know, people hear sounds and people don't hear sounds. So I wonder if there's a certain reason why I didn't hear anything.

Yeah, it's just, you know, one of those things where sometimes people hear the sounds and sometimes they don't. I do find that interesting because, you know, a lot of times if you hear a plane going over your head, even if it's, you know, pretty high. And, you know, for people not to hear sound, it's just a little odd, but it is what it is, you know. So when these things are flying over your head and everything, are you feeling, I don't know, are you feeling different? Is there any kind of feeling that comes over you that is different than just a natural curiosity? you know why my brother and I we were talking well I mean maybe for me is because I kind of was aware of okay it's real so I'm going to talk about it so I can remember that it's real

rather than like being in a state of a trance you know maybe and that's kind of why I kept saying you know to my brother like oh yeah you know our friends saw it the other day and And, you know, we've seen it now just so it would, I don't know, I guess be more real in a way. And I forgot to mention, too, that we didn't have our phones in our hands as we were looking at it. So after I hung up with him for him to come outside, I put my phone in my pocket and just stared at it. So then it was about a minute that passed. We both took out our phones. and I was about to take a picture of it, and I think he was too, and they just vanished.

They were gone. It's like someone turned off the light, and it was all gone. And I was like, that doesn't make any sense. Like, it was right there, and now it's not there. So I have no clue. I mean, it was nighttime. It was probably hard to take a picture anyways, but the point is that they just vanished. Yeah.

That's really makes you feel like there's an intelligence behind it, you know? Right, definitely. And if there is an intelligence behind it, then how does it know you're reaching for your phone, if that's the case? You know what I mean? How does it know that you're about to take a picture and it doesn't want to be taking a picture? It's very, that's very interesting. Well, with your UFO encounters, I find them very fascinating, especially the first one, because when you, like I said, when you first said it, I was thinking, what? And I did a quick Google search, and you were right.

I started looking at a bunch of different sketches and different accounts of people seeing an ice cream cone flying through the sky. So I find that very interesting. Now, when you were – now that happened a few years ago, right? Your last UFO sighting? Right. The lights happened about two years ago or so. Okay. So after that, you've had –

some kind of spiritual, demonic encounter. You want to talk about that? Yeah, sure. I believe it happened around the same time this UFS, UFO sort of thing happened. Because I have a feeling they both happen around the same time because I actually brought it up with my friends who I told them later on about these two experiences and they believe too it happened around the same time so uh well getting into it uh whenever i would wake up in the morning i used to have scratches in my back a lot and so i was like

you know that's weird like i'm wolverine you know scratching my back in my sleep and that happened for years on and off and it wasn't until one night i guess or one morning whatever You know, I go to bed like normal and I wake up and like normal, there were scratches on my back and I was like, okay, you know, that's really odd. Like, who does that in their sleep? So, like my brother and my friends that has to deal with my brother again, which is weird coincidence, I guess you could say. But so something happened. and I can't remember what exactly, but I remember, like, there was a weird presence in my room

one night or one evening, and I kept on getting continual scratches on my back. I have no clue why. And then it was like one day, my brother, he told me, he's like, yeah, you know, because he has to walk past my room to get to his room at night time to sleep. So he said as he was walking past my room,

he felt like something came from my room and tried grabbing him and not letting him go into his room. And he, like, I never heard him sound scared before. And that was like the one time only. He was kind of scared. And I was like, you know, my friends and I were joking, we were like, oh, yeah, look, you know,

Nick's got. a demon in his room, you know, whatever. But I was like, you know, thinking in the back of my mind, I was like, that's probably not something to joke about. So, like, I'm a Christian and I know that in the Bible, it says that we have, like, dominion over evil spirits and demons, and we could cast them out. So I didn't know what else to do.

I prayed. And so I was like, you know, I guess I'm going. just going to cast wherever this is, if it's something bad, if it's something good, I don't know, but try to attack my brother, and I think this is where the scratches are coming from. So I kind of cast it out or try to. I did one night, and ever since then, nothing else happened to him. Nothing, no more scratches on my back. So I don't know, but it seems like it was something.

thing, that's for sure. Yeah, that's, I don't know, man. It's odd that your brother keeps being part of all these different experiences. And you want to say it's a coincidence because, you know, especially going from the two UFO experiences to that, they seem unrelated, you know. But it also makes you wonder, are they? So when you were waking up with those scratch. on your back, were you thinking demonic paranormal happenings going on, or were you thinking just,

you know, you're catching yourself on the bed or scratching yourself weird at night? Yeah, it's a weird coincidence if you say it's a coincidence, but something, I don't think it is a coincidence, that's for sure. And I don't know, like I said, it happened to years on and off. I never felt any weird presence or never, you know, felt like I was in danger or anybody else was in danger until one night something actually happened. And I wasn't, you know, delving into any sort of, like, witchcraft or anything like that or hanging around with some people that would cast some sort of spells or anything.

I was just, you know, living, you know, my life with my friends and family and doing what I normally do and one night that happened. So I don't know. I don't know why it happened. And like I said, ever since then, I don't get these scratches my back. So I don't know. I'm just glad that's no longer here, whatever it was. Did your brother describe physically how he felt?

Did he feel something physically grabbing him and pulling him? Yeah, actually, he said, like he was trying to like sort of fight his way into his room like hold on to the the door and the what would you call it like the molding

and like hold on to it like he thought like something was like grabbing him and so I was like that's kind of strange you know like I don't like I don't like putting people in danger I don't like myself in danger and when I heard that I was like

all right, wherever it is, it needs to stop, because if something's trying to grab somebody that is close to me, that's not something good. Yeah, no, I agree with you. So let me ask you, you know, you said you're a Christian. Where's your brother at with that stuff? Is he a Christian? Yeah, he is, but, I mean, I don't know exactly how close or how far he is in his faith, So I can't say for sure.

But my whole family are Christians, and, you know, we have like crosses and stuff in the house. So, you know, I didn't think, you know, anything would ever happen to us, you know. But it did, apparently. Okay. Yeah, because it just, you know, it makes you feel like there could be something on a deeper spiritual level going on. as far as something or whatever trying to claim, I don't know, like authority almost. That seems like what it is. It's like it's trying to like not like a possession like in the body, but like claim almost like authority over the area.

You know, like with you waking up with scratches on your back, something trying to pull your brother into the room. Like it's just seems like something that's trying to claim it's. self as a top dog, you know? That's what that's just what it made me feel like some kind of like spiritual, um, entity warfare, if that's what you want to call it. But, uh, that's very interesting. Uh, and since then, you haven't had anything happen, huh? Right. Yeah, that's correct. And, uh, ever since I listened to, uh, episode 22, when the guy, uh, that said that he had a handprint on his throat and he went through that whole ordeal, I was like, you know what? Wait a second.

What if the same thing was happening to me, but in a different form or different fashion? So I kind of, I want to believe it was something like that just because the presence is gone. And like I don't wake up, like I said, with scratches and seems like it's all back to normal. I got you. That's really interesting, man. And I'm glad things are back to normal because nobody wants to live life like that, you know? Has your brother ever, you know, expressed to you, anything else that's happened to him? No, no, not really.

I mean, as far as I can remember at least, but the strange thing is, is like all these things, like we said, it has to be with him. But I feel like I'm the main focus in all three of these. Like the second encounter for the UFO I saw first, the demon thing or whatever it is. It happened to me first. So I don't know. Maybe he's kind of like the middleman, I guess you could say. I don't really know. But, yeah, I'm glad that it's all gone.

Yeah, it presents an environment where you want to. to read into things and try to figure out what's going on because you're left with a feeling of there's something going on behind the scenes and you just can't put your finger on it and it makes you want to just kind of it makes you want to figure it out you know right yeah definitely like uh i mean i'm very skeptical about things i like learning new things and something like this i'd want to know more about it but there's also that side of me that's like okay the more you learn and the more you do more deeper research into it, something may pop up that you may not be mentally or spiritually or physically prepared for or could harm you. So that's kind of

why I don't like to, I guess, all the time, if that makes any sense. No, it makes perfect sense. I understand where you're coming from. So, all right. So that's, all that happened to you and your brother. And I want to ask you, kind of transitioning here on topics, you heard about this show and myself on Sasquatch Chronicles. So clearly, you're a bigfoot enthusiast because most people who listen to that show are bigfoot enthusiasts to certain extent. Now, you wanted to tell me about something that you've experienced out in the woods. had you first of all come to the point where you were going out into the woods doing, for lack of better terms, Bigfoot research. Yeah, yeah, that's where I actually did hear about you on Sasquatch Chronicles.

And I do have a fondness for Sasquatch Bigfoot or whatever you want to call it. um so uh my good friend he pretty much is the main guy and i'm kind of like his right hand guy about bigfoot like he knows more about bigfoot than i do but i try and learn more and try and want up him more you know whenever i get the chance to so he's the one that actually initiated like hey we should you know find out any areas close to us and see if they have any bigfoot activity and see if we could actually see some sort of evidence, not that we don't believe other people, but, you know, to see something for ourselves,

whether it be a print, whether it be, you know, scat, or maybe Bigfoot self. So, yeah, he's the one that basically we're going out in the force to find this thing or not find it and find evidence of this thing. Okay, I got you. So walk us into what you experienced out there. I believe you said it was the big thicket.

Yes, that's correct. It's a big thicket in southeast Texas. And it wasn't our first time there. We were there a few times before then. And we kind of did research online what to expect of it. you know like if it had any venomous snakes which it does and learn the environment and kind of figure out which trails to go to and all sorts of things like that so after we did all that we kind of went there once and it was a very different scenery than what we were used to the first time actually we went there it rained about a day or two before. So as we got to our destination, the trail,

a lot of it was actually flooded. And it was interesting to see because there was these bridges that we couldn't go across because they were flooded like a couple feet of water. And we were like, yeah, we don't feel like getting in the water today.

So we actually had to turn around the very first time. but it was really cool to see how the forest was with all the water and we couldn't really go off the trail and look for any kind of sort of evidence but we were just kind of seeing how the trail was and learning the whereabouts of everything I guess you could say for the very first time being there so then we went through a second time the same place the same trail. And this was about two weeks to about a month later. And the water was receding

and or it receded because there's still water there, but not a whole lot as it was a couple of weeks ago, well, a couple weeks before then. So we were actually able to go across that bridge that was unacceptable the first time. So we, went across it and we kind of went off trail a little bit here and there and you know we didn't see anything or you know see any evidence of anything but we hiked in about two hours in and we went off trail in different areas and we kind of went to an area that was kind of uncharted but once again we didn't really see much of anything just you know your average woods and and, you know, river here and there and bridges. And it was pretty quiet, the big thicket. But, uh, so we kind of knew what we were getting into, you know, like where the paths were, you know.

Uh, so when the third time came around, uh, it was us three and two of our other friends. So there's five of us. So it was about nine, 30, 10 o'clock at night and we went to the big thicket and we pulled up and parked in the parking area and we got out

put on backpacks you know sprayed bugs sprayed got the flashlights ready you know all that sort of stuff because there's lots of mosquitoes and other stuff in the woods at night that you can't see so as we were doing all that you know getting ready to go out and go venture into the big thicket,

we heard these strange sounds coming off in the distance to our right. And we were all, you know, around the truck. And so it was all of our rights. And we kind of like just shut up in and there and listened to whatever that noise was. And we knew it wasn't a coyote because I just kind of had like a distinct call. And like I said, we did research prior to what kind of animals lived in the big thicket. And it wasn't anything that was listed. And this was something that we've never even heard of before.

So we were like, is this actually happening? Is this legit? You know, it sounded kind of faint off in the distance. I have no clue how to describe it. But I know there's something I've never heard in my life. life before. And I just kind of felt like, maybe we shouldn't do this, you know, but I wanted to do it so I could hear more of it.

And so it lasted. It was like three or four calls or whatever it was doing. And I was just dead quiet. So we were like, okay, whatever. So then we actually started walking on the trail again. and our friend was actually recording all this, so I don't know if he ever got anything worth listening to or not. But so as we were walking through the force,

granted it's 10, 10.30 at night, and it's super dark. So our flashlight that we had, you know, on our head or some of us we were carrying in our hands, they weren't really that powerful. So we only could see, like, maybe, you know, 10, 20 feet ahead of us. So there was about 20, 30 minutes of us walking, and we heard a faint, whatever that noise was before. As we got out of the truck, we heard it again, but it sounded like it was coming where the wolves were. But it also sounded in the same direction because it kind of like twisted and turned the trail that we were on.

but it sounded like it was coming from the same direction and we're like, okay, that's definitely something because we heard it twice. So we were like, all right, we're gonna just, you know, there's five of us. You know, if someone's gonna get us, you know, there's five of us and we kind of, you know, outnumber it, whatever.

But so we went around the trail and we left and we didn't hear anything. since that other second time. But it was interesting that we heard it again and nothing came into contact with us. We didn't hear any sort of animals. We didn't even see any animals. So that was kind of interesting to us, I guess.

And that noise, I don't know what that was. That was definitely something I've never heard of. Yeah, I mean, when you're out in the woods and stuff, you hear things that you just never, could imagine and that you never even heard of before. And for somebody who's familiar at the woods, it's even more creepy when you hear something that you just can't describe because you think you know just about everything that's out there. And so when you hear something, you're like, I have no idea what that is. And you're out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, it's a little creepy.

Your friend that was recording, now you said that you never heard the recording that he had made, of that day. Is that something that you think he would have right now? Yeah, I mean,

he has it. I keep asking him, hey, you know, I want to hear it and he's one of those friends that you got to tell,

you know, hey, you know, I want to hear it and then he just forgets or things come up. So I know

he's not, you know, keeping it from me, just hasn't sent it to me, but he told me the morning after that he's like,

yeah, you can definitely hear something that we couldn't hear, but the microphone picked it up. So that's something I want to get my hands on and listen to whatever it is because he actually tried recording it on his phone and sending it to me, but obviously the audio distorted it and all that. So I want to hear it in person and see what it was that we heard.

Yeah, absolutely. And if you do get a hold of it, send it over to me if you can because that's something I'd be definitely interested in hearing. Now, when we were talking earlier, you said that something else happened that same day. Am I right? Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely send it to you if I get a hold of it. But, yeah, something actually did after we left the big first. thicket woods portion

we all packed up our bags got on the truck and left and right over by the big thicket there's actually something called the Ghost Road it's maybe five, ten minutes away from the Big Ficket and

apparently a lot of people have gone down to it. The Ghost Road actually has its own Wikipedia page and I was like, okay, whatever. So apparently on this ghost road, people see light either like in the beginning or at the end of it. We don't, you know, that's what the Wikipedia page said. So the one friend that actually got me into more Bigfoot research, he was actually on this road before with two of his other friends.

And he saw the light that time. So he was wanting to take us out on it to see the lights. And so, you know, we're like, all right, we heard something and it didn't kill us. So we're going to do something else that would try and kill us, you know, whatever live with on the edge, you know. So we weren't exactly sure where this road was. Like we knew the vicinity of it, but we weren't 100% sure. So we kind of pulled off to the side of the road. and let these two cars pass.

And so we ended up getting behind one of the cars that passed us, and they pulled up to the ghost road, and they were debating about going to it, because you can miss the ghost road if you just follow the normal road and so going into this dirt road. And there's a little sign out there that says something like, welcome to the ghost road or something. So they kind of like pulled off to the side and they were kind of like unsure or uneasy kind

to tell. And there was five of us guys in a big truck and we're like, all right, you know, whatever, we're just going to go. But so it's like a eight or ten mile road. I can't remember exactly. But we took your time down that. We were like going like 10, 15 miles an hour. We were just cruising down, you know, whatever people.

say they saw lights so we want to see some lights. So it didn't help that the car was behind us because, you know, like the car lights were on. So we were like, oh, man, you know, that car. So we were kind of upset about that car behind us. But they kind of slowed down for us. So we kind of had an opening between both cars so we could see something. so it wasn't until about halfway down the road we could see something

and it was for like a split second in front of us now on the Wikipedia page people say it's from a like they see lights from a close a nearby highway but there's no nearby highways like this is just a dirt road that is just in between woods

and some people live on this road, I guess. I mean, we saw trailers on this road, but there was nobody else in front of us, and only the car behind us, and it was so far behind us. So we saw, like, this light. It was very bright. It looked like a car light, I guess you could say,

but it was brighter than a car light, and it only lasted for, like, a second. And I was like, okay, there was only one of them. So either A, it's a motorcycle with a super bright light, or B, it's a light that people see on the ghost road. So we kept on going along the road, and me and two of the other, of my friends, we actually saw the light. Because you don't know if it's going to be in front of you. It's going to be behind you.

You don't know. So we kept driving on. and the weird thing is it didn't have anything to do with this light on the ghost road but we drove up on the road and to our left there was a fire going like it looked like somebody literally just like started a fire and left there was no cars nearby nobody was nearby no trailers were nearby we're like that's kind of strange like that's something you know horror movies you know so we're like okay you know you know that's kind of uneasy.

So after that, we were debating about pulling off to the side just to, like, go outside the truck and just kind of wait and look for these lights. But then as that was happening, the car behind us, finally started to catch up to us, and we're like, okay, no, we see it lights, you know, what's the point? So we just got back in the truck and started driving again. and it was about 10, 20 seconds or so later, we saw those lights again, and we saw about two to three times, and this time all five of us saw this light and it was as bright as it was before. And it was about as far as away as it was before, but it was just one light going and then it was off in like a second. And then like another one, and it was off in like a second.

So I don't know what that was, but as we were continuing to drive along the dirt road, I mean, it seemed like it lasted forever. So as we neared the end of the road, we saw this vehicle on the side of it. We were like, okay, that's kind of creepy. Like it's all dilapidated, and we're like, okay. And then as we're getting closer to it, it was this broken down bus that you can tell it's been there for like years. It looked like somebody just like this bus has been in like an car accident or something and just was left on the back of the road. And we're like, okay, that's kind of creepy. Like you can tell this thing has been there for years.

But the thing, though, is my friend that has already been on that ghost road said that wasn't there when he was there the first time, which was only like, six months beforehand. So we think it was kind of like a prop because it said like something, something elementary school. I can't remember what it said. So I Google it right away just to see if there was something fake or real.

And I couldn't find anything on Google if it was like an elementary school. So I was like, okay, you know, whatever is probably like a prop, whatever. But yeah, we saw the lights and we saw some, we saw that fire and that bus maybe is real, maybe it wasn't. We don't know.

But yeah, that was the encounter at the Ghost Road. Yeah, that's pretty incredible. It reminds me of a story of experience that I had actually out in the woods. And maybe I'll tell that story. I don't know, but is this the lights of Saratoga? Is that what you're talking about? Yes, actually, yeah, that's another name for it. Okay. In Hardin County, Texas, I'm assuming, right?

Yeah, it's over by Clinton, Texas, over that area. Yeah, I was just, I was doing some searching and stuff and trying to kind of look into this as you were talking. And it's pretty fascinating, man. It seems like a lot of people are seeing this. And some people are trying to, you know, blame it on swamp gas and stuff like that. but I don't know. It seems like there's a real phenomenon going over there, going on over there, and you experienced it. I know I asked you this earlier with the UFO thing, and I'll ask you this with this, too. When you saw the lights, did you feel any different, or was it just more like awe and amazement?

Actually, before I answer that, the friend that was Amigil, road, the Saratoga lights, before we were, he said that his encounter was totally different than all of our encounters together. Like, they were the only vehicle on the road. And out of nowhere, he thought that a cop car was behind him and that was shining their light, you know, the bright light that they could see people with. And he's like, you know, that's a cop behind us. And then they saw the light move up and up and down.

And it, like, was like right behind them and then just vanished. and so he was saying, you know, oh yeah, it's going to be behind us. It's going to be behind us. No, it was actually in front of us. And we saw it like four times. So I think that was interesting that he had two different encounters on the same road. And I didn't feel any different. I just felt glad to see I was able to see these lights that he saw because it's not that I didn't.

believe him, but it's that I wanted to see it with my own eyes and to experience that for myself. Yeah, that makes sense for sure. You know, I wanted to ask you about that fire that you saw, you know, I think it was after the first time you saw the lights. Did the fire look like almost like a wildfire or did it look like it was a campfire that somebody had set up? Yeah, it was actually like a campfire. Like, it looked like somebody literally just wanted to have a fire. there for no reason. Like, there was a couple sticks, and you could tell

it was just, like, lit, just then and there. Like, it wasn't going on for, like, maybe not even five minutes. So, I don't know. And we could have seen it as we were driving, like the fire, you know. But we didn't until we

literally, like, pulled up right by it. So, I don't know, that was kind of weird. We were like, okay, there's a fire here, there's nobody around. That's weird. Yeah, that is weird. You know, I experienced some lights in the woods at night.

I don't think I've ever told this story on the confessions, and I'll tell it now since it's relevant. If I have told the story, I apologize. So I went to the Ohio Bigfoot Conference in 2015, and me and three other guys went out into the woods, you know, just your typical night hike. The problem is everybody else is doing the same exact thing, so you're not going to really see a big foot out there. At least you wouldn't think so, because there's just so many people in the woods, those nights. We're walking along a path in the woods. It was a really thin, narrow path, and to your left, it was a very steep hill, and I think there was a creek at the bottom of this hill. And to your right, it's a very steep hill going up. And we're walking along this

hillside essentially in the dark. We had one light and the guy in front had the light. And I'm, I'm second in line and there's two guys behind me. And we're walking this hillside. And, you know, I'm a little edgy, you know? I, for one, I had just met these guys. I didn't really know them real well. Now they're good friends of mine. But at the time, I didn't really know them. And, you know, I'm out in the woods by myself with these guys at night. We're looking for Bigfoot. But I was a little on the edge. And so I'm looking around. I'm trying to keep my eye on everything around me.

And I look up to my right up this hill. And I see a light inside the canopy of the trees. Now, at first you're like, okay, is that a plane flying over the trees? And I had the guy stop. We all stopped. And I pointed it up for us all to look. And the more we looked, the more I looked, you could tell the light was on the inside of the forest canopy, like on our side of the trees. And it was pulsating.

It would go, it would be illuminated and it would slowly pulse out. And then it would slowly illuminate and then slowly pulse out. And it continued to do that for quite a bit. I would say a few minutes we just stood there watching this thing. And it didn't move. It wasn't like a plane moving over the trees. And you can see kind of in between the branches. That's why it looks like it's pulsating. It wasn't moving. It was staying in one spot, just pulsating. And I'm saying to the guys, do you guys see that? And I believe the two guys behind me saw it. The guy in front of me, he never saw it. To this day, I think I talked to him about it. He said, no, he never saw it. He remembers us stopping the look, but he never saw it. And I just found that whole situation interesting

because we're out there looking for signs of Bigfoot. And I look up, and I had heard about people seeing these lights in the forest. But I had never seen lights in the forest until that night. But sure enough, that night, that light was just pulsating in and out, in and out. And then it just slowly pulsated out and it was gone. Because the pulsating, it was never completely like deluminated. You could always still see it as it was going in and out. But that last, it just like, it diffused and it was just gone. And we actually continued on our way. Like, I mean, it was just you know, we talked about it, but we continued doing what we were doing. I think I was more fascinated by it than any of the other guys. They just kind of brush it off like whatever, you know.

But, you know, the one guy actually saw a big foot from its shins up. So, like, he saw a bigfoot in daylight once from about 90 feet away. And the other guy had his own experiences and the other guy in front of me had his own experiences. So I was really the one. out there that really didn't have many experiences. I never saw a Bigfoot, never came close to seeing a Bigfoot, you know? So I think maybe that's why they didn't, they're like, oh, yeah, light, okay, whatever. We're out here looking for Bigfoot. That's the goal. But me, I was like, whoa, look at the light. Yeah, definitely. I would be mesmerized by that light too. I just find it interesting because I know I've seen on TV shows. And, you know, I feel like,

do you know if they ever did a TV show on the light of Saratoga? To be honest, I only heard about it like two months ago. So I haven't really done much research into it except go there and see it for myself. Okay. So I don't know. It does be something to look up for sure. Yeah, because I know I've seen different TV shows where they focus on such kind of lights. And one, I remember, I believe they actually.

I think it might have been fact or fake. They actually did an experiment, and they actually went out to this road where I think it was like every night at a certain time this light just came up over the road and like hovered there and it was super bright. And they did this experiment to see if they could see it themselves. And sure enough, they got it on camera where it illuminated

and it was bright. I mean, this thing was, it wasn't just, you know, some little dim light. I mean, it really lit up the area. And it was very, luminous. So when I think about what you're describing to me, it makes me remember that show,

and I didn't know if it was the same thing or not. But from what you described, if I'm correct, you described these lights as actually moving? The one that I saw, I don't know if it moved, but I saw it four different times. And they were about like the same distance,

the same brightness, and the same length far away from me, I guess he could say. I mean, they were bright, but they weren't moving at all. And they only lasted like a couple seconds. So if you blink to you,

you would miss it. So, yeah, very different from my other friends' encounter of it. Okay, gotcha. And, you know, before we get out of here, I wanted to ask you,

when you guys recounted your story together and you guys are talking about this, did you guys all have the same story? Or did anybody say any details that nobody else really experienced during this whole thing? The thing, though, is we're kind of pretty close. Like, we all know each other like 10 plus years. So if something like happened that night or during the end, we would point out like, hey, look, this. So, you know, when we were driving down the road, half of us was looking behind us and the other half was looking in front of us to see the lights. I don't think none of us saw something that the other person didn't see, except if they didn't look in the directions that the lights were in. But, like, we talked about the fire.

We were like, yeah, you see the fire? We're like, yeah, that's kind of weird. And then, like, the bus, we kind of, like got all quiet and talked about that. but yeah I don't think like one person saw something that the rest of it didn't see okay and these lights that you guys saw were they up in the sky kind of

or were they more low to the ground see that's probably where our descriptions may vary but we all saw the lights like they weren't eye level if that makes any sense like I was behind the driver and I saw the light and it was kind of above the truck but I could still see it through the um through the window so if it was something it had had been higher than the truck and

trucks aren't usually low to the ground okay I got you so it was it wasn't like super high in the sky but it wasn't hovering just above the ground either Right, right. Yeah, definitely. Okay, Nick. Well, listen, man, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing these experiences you had. I mean, you've had quite a life of experiences, starting with that UFO ice cream cone. It's very different. And I'm actually looking forward to looking into that myself and finding more stuff about that because that short, that short search that I did on Google showed some stuff. and I'm thinking, man, there must be something to this. So I definitely want to check that out myself.

But, you know, before we get out of here, stuff, do you have any parting words as far as, you know, you've seen UFOs and also lights, you know, recently? I think you said that was up to, what, two weeks ago? Yeah, it was actually like two, three weeks ago, yeah. So it was pretty recent, actually. Yeah, that's very recent. So with all that stuff,

throughout your life up to two weeks ago, you know, do you have any parting words for the audience that might be experiencing similar things as to you? You know, what would you say to them if they're not sure if they want to talk about these kind of things? I'm not the most vocal guy. I'm a better listener, but if something has happened to you

and you need somebody to talk to about it or you just want to get off your chest or you're just not sure what it is, I would definitely talk to somebody about it. I mean, you never know what it is unless you research it or talk to somebody that may have heard about it or seen it. And I would be careful if you just go out there not knowing what you're getting into and not really worrying about the repercussions that could happen to you. So, yeah, I would be careful.

Yeah, that's some good advice, being careful for sure, because I think a lot of times people get excited about these topics and they just jump into it and they don't really think about the danger aspects of things natural dangers of running around the woods at night looking for something let alone the supernatural aspect of things as well so definitely some good words of advice and Nick I really appreciate you coming on and if you ever have any other experiences you know how to get a hold of me man oh yeah definitely and thank you so much Tony it's been a pleasure I enjoy your show a lot. And I look forward to hearing it later whenever you post it.

Absolutely, man. I look forward to posting it myself. I'll talk to you later, okay? All right. Thank you. Well, that's the show, everybody. I hope you enjoyed it. If you have a chance, go ahead and like us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter.

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