The Confessionals - 256: The Screaming La Llorona

Episode Date: August 4, 2020

On Episode 256: The Screaming La Llorona, we have two guests joining the show. First we speak with Josh, who tells us about an encounter he had with the ghost of his father. The problem? Josh's father is still alive and well! Following Josh's account, guest Daniel shares his childhood experience with the screaming La Llorona!BECOME A MEMBER AND GET ADDITIONAL SHOWS: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinGet Emergency Food Supplies: http://www.preparewiththeconfessionals.com Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaI Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappeared. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. It spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face.

They basically decapitated. And I look over, and there are two small gray entities, and they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe, and it couldn't move, because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here.

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Go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the join button and become a member today. And if you're looking for some emergency preparedness food, we do offer that as well. All you got to do is go to prepare with the confessionals.com. That's prepare with the confessionals. And you can get yourself some emergency preparedness food because in times like these, you never know when that supply chain is going to get cut out and you want to be prepared. Now, this week we have a great show coming up for you and hopefully you enjoy it while you listen to it because when you're listening to this show, I'm more than likely going to be driving tractor trailer around somewhere in the Philadelphia area in a tropical storm. I just found out

there's going to be a tropical storm hitting and they said that any moment now, it's going to start pouring at my house all day tomorrow. We'll see how it goes. But hopefully you enjoy this show. We have Josh coming on the show first and Josh has an experience where he witnessed the the ghost of his dad, who is still alive and well. Very interesting story he has to share with us. And then we're going to bring on Daniel. And Daniel experienced with his family when he was a kid, the screaming La Larona.

Let's get to it right now. All right. Today we've got a great guest coming on the show. Josh, how are you? I'm good, Tony. How you doing, man? I'm doing well, my friend. Doing well.

So we got a chance to talk a little bit and get to know each other. We're like-minded individuals. and that's always nice to have that kind of conversation. You grew up in a paranormal household, and you've had little experiences here and there. As an adult, you had a pretty major experience, and we're not going to give away too much of the location of the house that we're talking about because your parents are actually trying to sell it right now. So we want them to be able to sell the house, but we also want to hear the story.

So, Josh, what we're going to do is we're going to start off with the major thing that happened at the house that I'm very fascinated by. And then we're going to go into some of the more smaller things that happened to you. And even your parents had had experiences as well. And you can share those experiences if you choose. Why don't you walk us into this experience where you had at the house as an adult? Well, this house is a beautiful old place north of Atlanta. And we moved in in the late 70s.

And I left home in the late 80s. And we would always have things happening back and forth. And I've been fortunate enough to go back and visit them. You know, a few months or a few times during the year. And I was down in the beginning of the summer of this year and happened to be borrowing my father's car and my wife had taken my car to go see some family and went out to dinner with a customer in a store that I was seeing down in Atlanta. And when I got back, there's a separate garage. and the garage is probably about 50 feet from the back of their house. And it was dark out, probably around 8.30, 8.45.

And I pulled in to the garage. And as I was walking out, I happened to be on the phone with a friend of mine and who's somebody you've got to talk to because he said some freaky things happened up in Seattle. But anyway, I'm walking out toward my parents' house. And before I even leave the garage, I'm looking at the back stairs. and there's a tree that's a topiary tree that's about eight feet tall. And I see my father lean out from behind the tree. And I'm talking to my friend and I said, well, my dad's messing around with me.

I'm not really sure what's going on. And I'm looking at him and he leans back in. So I wait for a second and I'm pausing talking to my friend and he's going, what is going on? And I said, this is really strange. My dad's messing with me. Well, I've seen him lean out two more times. and as I walk toward the tree, I get to the tree and he's gone.

There's nobody there. So I thought it was a little strange in that my father doesn't really check on me. He used to check on me when I would get home when I was in high school. If I got home later, he'd be waiting in the back porch or something looking for me. But he never really was the type of father that would check in on me to make sure it was me coming in or whatever. So I go walking up the back stairs and there's a back porch when my mother and father spend most of their time now. They've got a TV back there and it's real comfortable and everything. And I walk in and I ask my father, I said, were you just downstairs?

He goes, no. He goes, I'm sitting here talking to your mom. And so I asked her, calling him out, I said, so was he just downstairs? And she goes, no, we've been sitting here talking for the last hour and a half. And I said, well, I just saw you downstairs. And he said, no, I was not there. Tony, there was nobody there. And I made that, I made that walk between the garage and the back porch in, you know, less than 10 seconds. My father's in great shape for a guy in his late 70s, but he's had a couple of hip replacements in one knee. He doesn't move that fast. Whatever this was, was gone. And I spoke to my wife about it when she got home. And I said, really, when anything happened, and I told her, and she said, what did he look like? So I'm just, describing him. I always wearing a green sweater and a big white collar. I mean, a big white collar and had on brass-rimmed glasses and black hair. Well, Tony, my dad is in his late 70s. His hair is

white as snow. He hasn't worn glasses in 30 years. And he just, there's no way he would be wearing a sweater. It was warm. And my wife said, well, jokingly, because she, I don't think she'd believe me. She said, I think it was a time slip. And she said it jokingly, but it hit me. What I saw was my dad from the late 80s looking at me, getting home from somewhere. And the more I think about it, I just wonder, you know, the whole thing about ghost and everything. And everybody's got their, you know, everybody's got their idea of what hauntings could be or what ghosts could be. You know, the one that I've heard a lot is that it's almost a recording, that, you know, the core of the earth is basically a magnet.

and, you know, as magnetic tape will do, how it will record certain events. And I almost wonder if it was actually my dad, a recording of my dad from the 80s. And I don't know if you've ever heard of anything like that before. I mean, it sounds like something that you would think I would have heard before. But I don't think I've ever heard it before. Right. I mean, wow. Wow.

And so you guys, you and your wife are leaning towards time. slip, do you think time slip and time travel are two separate things, or would you think that's the same exact thing? I think there are two different things, and I've thought about time travel, and, you know, people have said, well, you know, if time travel exists or if time travel is created, wouldn't that mean then it has always been there? Because if somebody's created it, they're going to go wherever they want. So if somebody, you know, if somebody comes back, then it will always have been in existence.

So it's a little, it's way too meta to go into, I know. But I don't know if this was just a recording of something that happened when I was a teenager and got home from being out. You know, it just, but it's certainly not the first thing that happened there. Like you said, when we moved in the late 70s and really not a lot, not a lot happened until the early 80s. And the house was used as a, as a Civil War hospital. the reunion soldiers that were stationed there. It's a big old place. It was a girl's school for a long time.

The house was built, I believe, in the 1840s. And it's on the National Historical Registry, and it's a beautiful old place. There's a lot of wood, and there's a lot of stone inside this house. So who knows what those materials hang on to. But I can tell you that a couple of the first things I remember, the Historical Society sent my parents a letter at one point. that was, I guess it was kept in a file. Someone found it and said, you own the house now, you should read this. And it was a letter to the family that the union had basically taken the house from in the Civil War.

They continued to live there, but they had to host the Union Army and are portioned up. And the Union Army had put a century on watch at night, and he would walk up and down the stairs and, you know, in the hallways and things. And these are the same hardwood floors that were in this house when it was built, you know, a hundred and, you know, however many years ago, a hundred and eight years ago, whatever it is. And the, the letter was from this soldier. And it was to the family. And he said, you know, I never minded, you know, looking after you.

You were so good to me. I'm just a beautiful letter. Really, really, really nice, well-read, and how much you love the family, how they welcomed him in. Really just gorgeous letter, very sweet. And that night, a, uh, a, really nice. This is one of the things that my parents heard, and my folks really won't admit to a lot of this. But there are a couple things that did happen, and one of them's real freaky. But this evening that we got this letter, everybody's in bed.

And about two or three in the morning, of course, my father hears someone walking downstairs. All the bedrooms are upstairs. He hears someone walking downstairs, walk up the stairs, which is all would, walk down to their, their bedroom door to my sister's bedroom door back down to my bedroom door and then back to theirs and stop outside the door. Well, my dad gets up and throws the door open and, of course, there's nobody there. It only happened to one time, but it coincided with the fact that they got this letter from this union soldier who was a sentry.

And that's the only thing that my parents heard that I didn't. And anything that I come up with, they're like you're insane. My mother is very sweet, and she'll say, oh, you've got such an active imagination. And I always have. And, you know, that I guess I still do. But, you know, it's a little freaky that as soon as we get this letter, we hear footsteps in the house. And they weren't just off in the distance. They were really heavy.

I mean, my dad said someone was walking, and I heard them. But that's one of the only things he'll admit to. The other thing that he will admit to is I was in high school, it's mid-80s. had to pick my sister up from somewhere and brought her back, and it was probably nine or ten at night. And there is a separate house that they converted into a little house that they, from time to time, they rented this house out. And it's really kind of a pool house. And they had a piano out there. So we get home, I pull in, my sister and I walk across the same driveway up, the same backstairs I was talking about. And my dad says, listen. And he goes, just be real quiet. Listen.

somebody's playing the piano out in the in the guest house and it's just blaring and it was it sounded great somebody knew what they were doing and my dad said somebody's out there somebody's you know out there drunk and they're playing they broke in and he told me go in and grab a baseball bat or something so i go grab i think a tennis racket and i think he grabbed a you know a rake it wasn't it was it was it was not you know two warriors going out to do battle this is two idiots going out to see into the property but the only way that we got in is in the front in the front door there was a broken window down at the bottom that you had to reach in and undo the doorkman at the time and these were great dogs they were afraid of nothing but you give it was a shotgun house you could see all the way through the house and um my dad said look I'm going to the back door you go in the front door I'll go in the back I'll let the dogs go in you open the door and go in if there's anybody in there just swing away and I said okay Okay, so I go to the front door, my dad goes to the back, I can see him all the way through,

the piano's still playing. I reach in, undo the door. It's not cold or anything like that inside when I reach in, but I reach and undo the door, and it's still playing. I open the door and throw the lights on. Nobody's there, and my father and are standing there, you look at each other, trying to figure out what is going on. So we had the piano happen.

Those are the two things that my parents, you know, that my parents will admit to witnessing. and the rest of them are just little things that happened to me growing up. But when I started making a list of the things that had happened just to me over the years, whether it was in that house or somewhere else, it got a little crazy. It got a little concerning, to be honest, because I've never been one of those people that, you know, that thinks I'm sensitive or whatever anybody wants to call it. I'm not.

I think I just happened upon things, you know, at different times. And, you know, I still to this day, if I go stay at the house, I'll sleep in my old bed. And a lot of times in the middle of the night, I'll hear people talking in the room. And they'll be far away, but in the room, if that makes sense. A couple of times someone has come over and sat on the edge of the bed. But the weirdest thing that's happened in that room, probably when I was about 14, I had a buddy who was spent in the night. And I had a queen-sized bed.

So I'm sleeping on one side. He's sleeping on the other, and about three in the morning. and there's this like rocking going on next to me. And my buddy Dave was a real heavy sleeper. And he was like the only kid that I knew at 13 or 14 who snored. And that was really annoying because I, you know, if we were hanging out together and ended up crashing each other's house, I didn't sleep because he snored so bad.

So he's not snoring, but he's like rocking back and forth. And there's a window that from my vantage point, I can look out this window to the neighbor's house. and I can see somebody, the outline of somebody, rocking my friend Dave back and forth. And I'm thinking, well, I'm trying to figure out what is this, trying to rationalize it in my little 14-year-old brain. I'm thinking, well, maybe my dad's waking him up early. He's got to go, something. But I said, who's there?

And the rocking stopped. And whatever this was stood back up against the window. And I could see the outline of whatever this was, just maybe a third of the outline of a person standing there. And I said, again, who's there? Well, nothing. Well, my room is pitch black. And I could see this thing, whatever it was, walking around in front of my bed, walking over to my side, and I could feel its hand just about on my shoulder. Like, if you take your hand and just barely hover it over your arm, that's what it felt like. It felt like somebody was about to touch me. and so I kind of jerk away from it and before I know it, it's back over on the other side up against the window and I can still only see about a third of it.

So I'm freaked out, totally freaked out, because nothing like this has ever happened to me before. So I reach over and I turn on the light and as I remember it, and this is 36 years ago at this point, as I remember it, when I turned on the light, it was no longer inside, but it was outside the window on the second floor. and then it just was dumb on. And we've never had anything like that happened since. I do know that there were stories, especially with this being a southern plantation house, of course, there were slaves, unfortunately. And there are stories of slaves trying to run away and hiding into trees and, you know, the owner of the house shooting a shotgun and knocking a slave out of the tree and he landed

and broke his arm. And there's all those little stories. but trying to put those together and trying to rationalize what this thing was, I just can't. I can't figure out what in the world that it would have been, but I do remember seeing some sort of shape in my room. So I know you and I were talking before this interview, and we were talking about faith and things like that. How do you relate these experiences to what you believe theologically? I mean, we don't need to go too deep and stuff, and I'm sure you got... Yeah. I'm not sure, but maybe you have more you want to share with these stories.

But it's just something that I just thought of and stuff. And there's plenty of questions I could ask you, but I wanted to ask you that before I forgot. Well, you know, I thought about that too because I'm a very devout Christian. And I struggle with when people talk about, you know, demon possession and things like that. I know people have witnessed a lot of crazy things that I can't even fathom. And, you know, you watch TV shows and things like that. And you go, oh, that's crazy, but I don't think. think it's real. And I don't know that I'm the best person to talk about what's real and what's not.

And in fact, when it comes to things like, you know, ghost stories and this and that, and I've got, we've got, you know, we've got friends that have told us stories before and I'll, you know, I'll tell them life, I don't believe that for a second. Well, I'm telling the same stories, you know. So I feel like such a hypocrite doing that, but, you know, I'm not buying it. I don't know what it is. But when it comes to, when it comes to faith, I think there are, they're definitely, you know, there are definitely a lot of times in the Bible where we see we see spirits, you know, even in, you know, when Jesus is in the garden, you know, angels administer to him. And when they're, I was trying to think, is it garden githemite where they were, where the transfiguration happened, where Elijah and Abraham are

on each side, I believe it's Elijah and Abraham. So, you know, there's the spirits of those two, those two very important characters. You know, like you talked about, you know, Saul seeing, going to the Witch of Indoor.

And I don't know, do you feel like it's clear, and we could go down this rabbit hole, but do you feel like it's clear that he actually saw, he actually saw Samuel? Or did she see Samuel

and said he's upset? I got to go back and really read into it because it almost seems like she says, I see an old man. And he's, not happy.

Well, and he knows who it is. Yeah, but so I think you're right in that, but the thing is with that is it doesn't say that there was anything other than the spirit of Samuel there in the present. Yeah. Okay. If it was somebody writing the scripture and they're writing this story and it was demonic, they would have addressed it as demonic. But the writer of the scripture addressed it as the dead spirit of

Samuel, not demonic. And on top of that, what was said during that conversation came to fruition. Demons can't predict the future. They're not omnipotent. Right. Right. Totally. And, you know, the other thing is this, when Jesus walks across the water, you know, and he's walking on the water and during the storm, and they see him, they say, you know, is that a ghost? So this was in their culture. You know, this, the ghost were in the culture. And so, and they're in every culture. So, I mean, even biblically, we're given, we're given examples of the fact that there are ghosts. And, you know, I had an experience a few years ago, both my grandparents who were just the greatest people ever. My grandparents passed away. My grandfather's been gone since 2006. My grandmother has been gone since

2012, I believe. And she didn't do well. After he died, she said that she saw him three times in the house. And she was not one of those people that would have stories like that. And so I don't know if maybe it could have been dementia that started dementia or if she actually did see him. And I know she was terrified. And she would say things like, he's coming to get me, he's coming to get me. And that was really upsetting because my grandfather never would have hurt my grandmother. And it scared her so bad.

But after they were both gone, the family went up to their house. And I'm the oldest of probably seven or eight grandchildren. So I had a very, very close relationship with them. And even though I didn't see anything, there was a presence that could be felt at that time. And we were all leaving. And my father said, hey, lock up the house and meet us at whatever restaurant. And I start to lock up the house. And I'm at the back door.

and I'm about to walk out, and I stood there, Tony, I know both of them were standing right behind me. I know they were. I could feel them there, and I was, wanted to turn around so bad to see them, but I was so terrified. I just couldn't do it. And I left. And so a couple of years ago, my son and I went to help them kind of closed down the house. They sold the house. And same situation.

Everybody was leaving to go to dinner. Everybody was outside, and I was locking up the house. And I stood there and waited. waited and waited and nothing. And it just, it just emphasized what had happened, you know, a few years previous that something did happen. And I really felt like their spirits were there. And, you know, I don't, I don't think they were trapped at all. I don't think they were trapped at all. And it could have just been the vibe of the house that, you know, we spent so many Christmases and so many summers there that that was in my head. But I can't help but feeling that they were there.

And they were, they were wonderful, wonderful Christian people. And my, my grandfather was, was an elder in the Church of Christ for a lot of years, just a really good man. And in fact, every story we heard about him after he passed away was just your grandfather did this for me. He was such a good guy. He helped me out here and here, the broadest food, you know, just good people. And so I kind of feel like, I kind of feel like those spirits were there to say goodbye. And again, it could have been just me, you know, it could have been me just hoping and freaking myself out. I totally think it could have been that. But, You know, I think that people get tied to places.

And, you know, I've had other strange experiences, you know, around the country. I do a lot of traveling. And I'll tell you one thing that freaked me out. I was working for a company in New York, and we were on Long Island. And staying at a hotel that was fairly new. And they had put all the salesmen up for a week. They were having trainings and meetings and all sorts of wonderful, you know. know, things that you don't even want to know about. And I'm in a room, and it was a, it was one of

those suites. And the suites had a bathroom, and then it had a, of course, connected to the bedroom. And then you would walk through a little opening, and there was like a seating area. And then there was a, there was a kitchenette, and then the door. And so if you were looking down on it, it looked like a sea. You know, you walk in through the door, you go around the wall, and then you're at the room. So, the bedroom. So I'm laying there, and I got some work done. lay down about midnight, I just bolted straight up. Could not sleep. Something was wrong.

Something was weird. And I sat there for a minute and kind of calm down. And all of a sudden, this woman walks out of my bathroom. And she was probably mid-50s, red sweater, kind of graying, blonde hair, glasses, and walks out of my bathroom, which the door was shut. She walked out of the bathroom in front of the bed around to where the sitting area was out by the kitchen and was gone. The door didn't open, door didn't close, nothing. So I go running out there and out to where the door was, the bolt is on the door.

There's no way anybody could have gotten in or out. And, of course, didn't sleep real well that night. And the next morning I was having breakfast with the guys that I worked with, and I didn't really say anything. and the manager behind the counter saw me. And he came over and he goes, are you okay? And I go, yeah, I'm all right. And he said, are you okay? Is there anything that anything wrong in the room?

And I said, let me ask you about this room. And I told him the story. And he goes, nope, we've never had anything happen here. And I said, okay, well, maybe it's just me. That guy's a liar. I'm sorry to interrupt you. He's a liar. He came to you.

And it's like, are you okay? He did. And then he asked you twice. And then you're like, well, let me tell me about this room. And no, he knew there was something going on in the room, man. He knew. Hey, well, he wanted us to come back is what he wanted. But the weird thing is they had all of our information.

Well, this guy called my company, got my name, described me to them, got my name and called me the next week. And he goes, can you tell me what happened? I go, yeah. And I told him. And I said, have you ever heard of that happening in your hotel? He goes, not in my hotel. He goes, but I've been in the hotel business for 30 years.

That is by far not the weirdest thing I've ever heard. But, you know, we didn't stay there anymore. I told, you know, the people that book our rooms, they said, please don't put me there anymore. I'll go somewhere else. I never stayed there again, man. But being on the road is just, you know, weird things. I mean, it's not connected to the house that we're originally talking about.

And I don't think it's connected to me. I don't think I attract anything like that. I just think from time to time I run into some weird stuff. Yeah, I mean, and I think there are times where almost everybody runs into something weird. It's just, are you willing to acknowledge it? You know, are you the kind of person that, you know, even pays, pays mind to things like that? Or do you think, oh, that was just weird? My mind's playing tricks on me.

How many times do people say that to themselves? You know, oh, my mind was playing tricks on me. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe it wasn't, you know? Maybe there's actually something going on. Yeah. So back to this first story. Yeah.

Now, you said about the time slip. Do you think that if it was a time, because I mean, here's the facts. You saw something that was your dad, right? So you saw your dad from 20 years ago or whatever it was. And you're talking about time slips. You don't believe it was time travel, which by the way, you mentioned about time travel where you said if it exists, then it always existed. That's exactly what I tell people. Like, when they say, does time travel exist? I say, if it exists now, then it always existed, because then you can

transcend time at all at one time. And so time is now nullified for the person who holds the controls of time. And so I find that interesting. But the time slip thing, are we talking about maybe, like, are you talking about, like some kind of type of residual energy or what? Because I believe that science is far more complicated than anybody can fathom at this point in our human history. And I think there's a lot of things about our science and things that we don't even call science yet that we just don't understand. And do you think that residual energy could be part of that? I do. Yeah, I totally do. And I mean, you know, I look at it and, you know, would my father ever be a time time? traveler? No, because he would think that it was foolishness and he wouldn't want any part of it.

But I just, it almost seems just like a recording, just a recording of something that happened, you know, where's that idiot kid? Is he home yet? And I was home. And he looked out to see if I was home and then he was gone. I mean, it almost seems that simple. But, you know, my, my lovely wife, who I adore more than anything, was making fun of me. But she made a really good point. could it, could it be just some sort of time slip? I think it could. I think it could. Yeah, I mean, because the idea of the time travel, it's not like it could be your dad from the future coming back in time, because what you saw was your dad from the past, which means that your dad would have been a time traveler 20 years ago, never told you, and still refuses to let you know that the family secret is dad's a

time traveler, right? Right, right. Well, that picture of him and George Washington's always been a little weird, but, you know, what are you going to do? I mean, we're not talking about Disneyland here, man. Oh, man. But yeah, I'll tell you, man, these are some interesting stories. Now, your parents had these experiences on the property. Do they have anything, you know, too crazy happen or has just been pretty just... No, that's it.

That's it. I mean, you know, there were times when, you know, windows would slam across the, you know, across the house. And all the windows are, you know, these are old windows. they've all been, you know, painted shut for 50 years, more than that. So, you know, you would just hear weird things, and they've never had anything. My son and I went to, went to Atlanta to, he went with me to check on a couple of customers that I had down there, and he was just riding with me, and he was probably 16.

And he's one of the most rational people I know. And he's an engineering student, so, you know, math and science are his things. And he had an experience outside the house, one thing. time we were taking the dog. Now, if you want to talk about satanic, we can talk about this dog, but that's another thing. But anyway, I'm walking the dog out in front of, in front of the house, and it's dark outside. And he's talking to me. Well, then he turns around and says, what are you doing over there? And I go, what do you mean? He said, I was just talking to you in the front yard. And he was talking to somebody. He said, I saw the shape of somebody in the front yard and thought it was you

and was talking to him. And he goes, it wasn't them. It wasn't you. It was something. I don't know what it was. And I turned around and it was gone. But he saw something in the front yard, very similar to what I had seen in our bedroom, the same sort of shape.

And then that same trip we had gone to have breakfast with a buddy of mine. And we got back. We were about to lead to go back home. And we went into the house. It was just he and I stand there. My parents were on vacation. And we went back in to make sure, you know, everything was locked up. and airs turned down and all sorts of things.

And their bathroom is directly about their kitchen. We were in the kitchen getting a drink and we heard somebody walking upstairs. Now, this is the only other time that we've ever heard anybody walking on the house. Someone was walking upstairs and it sounded like someone had dropped a ball and it rolled across the bathroom floor. It's a tile floor. So, you know, again, father and son team going up, you know, back. Backstairs, front stairs on this one, and, you know, trying to make sure nobody comes down the stairs. And nobody's there.

I mean, and that's the thing that drives me crazy. The end to every ghost story is always nobody was there. Just once I want someone to say, yeah, they were there. They were right there. And we talked for a while. But, you know, he and I both heard those things, and that was in the house. But my parents, never anything, never anything beyond the two stories about the piano and the footsteps in the hallway. Nothing.

Well, you know, it's funny you mentioned about the footsteps in the hallways, and it's just fresh in my mind. I like watching these YouTube channels and stuff that, you know, these guys go and they go through like old buildings and they record video and, you know, they do some things that I wouldn't do, you know, but, you know, I would walk through old buildings and I would, you know, do it in the middle of the night and all that stuff. And if a place is supposedly haunted, I'd have no worries about walking through and just kind of hanging out and filming stuff. It's just when they cross that line of trying to communicate with something there. That's something that I rock with. But yeah, they were in the, this morning I was watching. They were in a, in an old house, like 200-year-old house, supposedly haunted by demons and all this other stuff. And they were down the basement. And honestly, like this house was all boarded up, all windows. And the door they came through, they boarded up because they wanted to spend a whole night there. No excuses. Nobody was there. They've been in the entire house. They went down in the basement last.

And when they're down in the basement, you just hear this, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, like somebody just stopping across the floor up to upstairs. And I'm telling you, I was sitting here watching it. And I was like, that there's very few things that I would say would scare me, honestly. And that would scare me. The idea of hearing those thudding footprints after you've been through the whole house, that would put me on edge. I mean, outside of actually seeing like a freaking demon jump in my face, I'm like, I'm going to eat your soul. Like, I mean, that would scare me. But, uh, I mean,

I, this, the paranormal stuff, because of what I do and talking to the people that I talk to and everything, like I've become very numb to this stuff. And it, it just doesn't phase me like it once did. Uh, but the idea of hearing footsteps. So I can't imagine what I mean, I don't know how your dad moves on from that, you know, be like, oh, it's just, you know, the wind. You know? He's just a very practical, very rational person, and those things don't play in. And, you know, I'm certainly not upset with them. I'm glad that they haven't had, you know, more experiences that have scared them.

It was a great place to grow up, spend holidays. It was really just a cool place. And it just, it would get a little weird. And, you know, Tony, you talk about, and, you know, people going into these houses and welcoming things in. I've never used a Ouija board at all. never will. And I truly believe, you know, we talked about faith a little bit. And, you know, people say, well, you know, how much, how much power does God have in your life? And I think the correct answer for that and for any of these, any of these things, whether it's demons or, you know,

power of prayer or influenced by friends, you know, how much power does God have in your life? God only has as much power as you give him in your life and as much as you open up to him. And I think it's the same for a lot of these, a lot of these demonic things and maybe just even the subject matter. Not even a physical or a spiritual demon, but just the subject matter itself. I think people get so bogged down in it. And I've had a lot of these things happen. And I've gotten to the point now where we've watched a lot of these shows and, you know, whether it's, It's, you know, paranormal, she's Bigfoot or, you know, UFOs or ghost.

And you just see a lot of these people that have just kind of given their lives over to this. And it's all they know. And it doesn't ever really end well. It doesn't seem to really end well. It seems like there's a very specific stereotype that goes along with people that just devote their lives into, you know, not solving anything, but just living it. If you know what I mean. Just, well, this is just my life. it's like they've given over the bulk of their lives to these things. And I'm just not going to do that.

Yeah. And I think that really, that what you just said and stuff, it really comes down to how people view their lives, how people are conceiving the things that happen around them and what they in their hearts believe is happening. Right. You and I have certain theological convictions that there are people who do not have. Therefore, or they're willing to live with certain things more. And some invite it because they believe that some people believe there are no such things as demons, that they believe in ghosts and they believe that, you know, your spirits can, you know, whatever, like it's a spirit of somebody or whatever it is. But they don't believe in demons.

So underneath that theological conviction, there's not a whole lot of fear. And so it's just, you know, live in life with an entity. And if you're fine with it, then let bygones be. bygones, you know? And so it really kind of comes down to how people view the world. And that's why I say it all the time in the show and I'll probably say it till I'm not breathing anymore. And that's, you know, it really depends on how people view the world going into an experience as to how they're going to relay that experience coming out of it. You could have an atheist and a theist in the same room experience the same thing. And they will come out saying two different stories

because they went into it thinking, or they went into it knowing certain truths that the other one did not believe. Right. So, you know, it really is a situational thing. And, you know, but that's why I enjoyed the show because we can sit here and talk and have conversation with people and all that fun stuff. But Josh, man, I'm telling you, man, I really enjoyed hearing these stories. It really was a nice time talking to you. Well, man, I appreciate you having me on. I love the show.

And just, I think you're doing a bang-up job. and I do hope you just keep going because it's really, it's a lot of fun. And I honestly, I think you're helping a lot of people too. Well, I appreciate it, man. I, I'm going to continue the show until there's no more people that want to be interviewed. You know, it is what it is. I don't plan on stopping this thing anytime soon. And right now, we're booked with interviews for the foreseeable future. So, you know, you're not going to run out of material. I gain to you. No, I mean, there's what, seven and a half billion people on the planet of those seven

and a half billion people, even if a million of them have paranormal experiences, and 10% of those people contact me, I'm in business for the rest of my life. Totally. We're fine. Yeah. All right, brother. Well, thanks for talking. You got it, man.

Thank you so much, Tony. Take care. Next up, we have Daniel coming on the show to talk about his experience with his family with the screaming La Laronna. Daniel, how you doing, man? Oh, you well. How are you? Awesome.

man, I'm doing good. So, uh, we are going to be talking about, and I'll let you say it, La Jora. Is that how you say it? Yeah, that's pretty close. It's La Jirona. Yeah. La Jirona. Yeah. There you go. There we go. Uh, so we're going to be talking about that today. Uh, but I find it interesting is that we were scheduled the talk today and I recently just started learning about this. Uh, and every culture has its own legend kind of like this, but this specific legend I just started learning about. And I heard it somewhere, probably on a podcast or a YouTube show. And, you know, it piqued my interest and I started looking into it. And then I saw that we were supposed to be talking today about this. And so I was like, wow, talk about a synchronicity. But you've had a strange experience. Let's just put it that way,

where you might have heard this screaming. And so if you could, tell us about what the folklore is behind this. Let's just say, I don't want to say folklore as in a disrespectful way, but just like the legend behind it, and then let us know what you experienced. Okay, sure, yeah, we can start with. And, you know, the legend that was taught to me was a legend that I'm sure. Mexican and Mexican-American people have heard probably a thousand times. And so, you know, where I come from is American Southwest in Arizona,

and there's a lot of different folklore and old tales that go on in most parts. You know, of course, a lot of it has to do with the Mexican culture. But, you know, from what I was told and from, you know, what was taught to me was that there was a woman and the tale goes and the legend goes there was a woman who fell in love in that she was married with

and so the husband comes back to find the affair and he actually you know they get in a big fight or whatnot and

because she can't be with the man that she really loves she drowns herself or drowns her children and kills herself. And it's always some type of version of that that you hear. Another version is that the husband came back and killed them all and drowned them in the river. Yeah. And the one that I was hearing was that the lady was abandoned by her husband and out of grief killed her children. Well, grief and anger, I guess.

But yeah, it's one of those things where a lot of legends or a lot of cultures have similar type of legends. And the idea of a woman spirit prowling an area because of lost loved ones or a baby, a child. I mean, it's a very common thing, a woman in a white dress, which is a common description with this, right? Yeah, that's correct. And there's not different versions, you know, as growing up and hearing the different versions, it all kind of, you know, there's all very similar formalities with the whole story. But the gist of it is that. It was a grieving woman who had lost her love, lost their children, and because of that, you know, she would come periodically during certain conditions to make yourself known. And that's kind of the creepy thing about the story was that when I experienced this, and when I heard, you know, La Yorona, the way it was top to me, you know, I experienced this at the age of innocence.

Then I was only four or five years old. I was a little boy. I didn't know too much about right or wrong, evil or good, but I was at the age where I witnessed it, I felt it, and it shook me to my core. And, you know, it's one of those things where I've never experienced anything that dramatic and scary, you know, in the 40 years that have been on this rock. It was that moment where it was life-changing, even though I didn't quite know what it was. Well, why don't you walk us into what had happened? I know it was like an entire family event. Yeah.

So, you know, like I said, this was an American Southwest. And I really don't want to get into the specifics about certain things because I'm sure that a lot of people that were there that witnessed it to include my mom feel a different way about it. And I'm not sure if they would appreciate making specifics. But, you know, I'll do my best. And so on the weekends, we would travel to go see my grandparents. Our family was very close at their time. It was my parents, we probably lived about 100 miles away from my grandparents, and they lived near the Mexican border, the Mexican Arizona border.

So on the weekends, when my father was off, we'd go down there and see my grandparents. And it seemed like every time we'd go down, it was just, it was a great time. It was a huge party. Food, drinks, music, and all of the family would be there at my grandparents' house to be together. And, you know, growing up in a Mexican-American culture, the family was very important. We try to do that as option as possible according to schedules. So I remember this specific time that we went down there was just like any other time.

We went down there at dinner, you know, adults of drinking, playing music, dancing. And, you know, typically it would last into the night at that point, you know, I'm sure at that point I was put down a bit. somewhere. But being a young kid at that age, I had fascination with cars. So when I woke up in the morning, I grabbed my bag of cars and there were hot wheels and I put them in the living room and I'd sit there and play with these cars. Well, it was just like any other time that we had been there, the same thing happened. I woke up in the morning, probably the first one to wake up. I'd get my bagger cars, go to the living room, and on the rug, I'd play with my hot wheels. And now, we were on the border.

My grandparents' house was on the Mexican-American border in Arizona. And because of that, my grandfather, he had a pack of dogs that, you know, lived in the house and lived in the yard. and I remember he had a German shepherd and he was the alpha male the whole area. I mean, he was a massive dog. He was fierce. He was brave. And he would control all the other dogs.

And my grandfather had some hounds, some smaller dogs, some muts. But they would all kind of follow the German shepherds lead. And that morning, and I was playing with the cars on the carpet in the living room. And I remember looking outside, and I can see the German Shepherd, and he was out there on the porch, just as usual, kind of keeping an eye on things. You know, he would keep a lookout, and there were several of the dogs around him. And it was a normal day. The sun was out, birds were out, they were chirping.

He was alert moving around. and in a moment, everything turned, everything changed. Got a little bit darker. I remember everything just got silent. I didn't hear any burns. I was still playing with my cars, and I looked outside, and all of a sudden, the German Shepherd was, he was all the way close to the door, which was really strange.

You know, I remember thinking about it. I was like, oh, that's kind of strange. He's backed up. He's backed up in his, you know, his beehins all the way against the door. And all those dogs were, you know, cuddling around him. And, you know, as a kid, you don't think much of him. And, you know, these thoughts and some of the reasons I have are because of, you know, later deliberations about what actually happened. And the stories that I've heard from other people growing up.

years. But I remember it was a real strange feeling because it just got really calm. And everything just stopped. Everything grew silent. And a moment later, I heard something that to this day, I've never heard. And there was no way anybody can replicate the sound that I heard. And, you know, the story and the tale of La Yorona has been replicated in some B movies in Hollywood. And I think there's even one that came out when the past year or two, and they're pretty bad. I mean, you can't do that type of experience. Any type of justice by putting it on television through Hollywood, it just, it will never replicate the horror and the reality of what's really out there. And, you know, at the age of five, I heard it.

And the year was, it was about 1980, 1981, I believe. And I didn't hear it, but for 10, 15 seconds when the entire house erupted and got up and ran. And they were, you know, they were trying to find me. They were trying to locate where I was. And I believe it was my mother that first got me. She found me and she pulled me and she covered my ears so I couldn't hear it. And all the ladies, all the women in the house, you know, being a strong, you know, Catholic background immediately congregates the center of the house and they began praying in the rosary. And I remember my mother covering my ears and I can still hear it.

There's no way that you can't hear something like that, even if you tried to ground it out. It was like somebody was screaming directly in your ears. And it was probably about anywhere from, you know, a dozen and 15 people in the house. It was a rather large house. And everybody heard there's not one person in the house that did not hear it. And I was the youngest person in that house. and it's like if somebody were to be in both sides of the year screaming as loud as they possibly could

but in a wailing way there's no way that you can experience something like that and just not be in total fear it was horrible this happened for maybe not even a minute and the conditions went from light to dark and after that that period of time it went the same way from dark to light and after that period of time it went the same way from dark to light and when this demon stopped wailing it was like nothing had changed the birds were back out the sun was out the dogs went back the normal positions

and everything was just like before. Now, this dog, he was an alpha German Shepherd. He was, I remember him being a massive animal. I remember my father would pull up into the yard and he had a truck

and this German Shepherd would be so happy to see him that you know, my father would, also broke down the window. And, you know, he would lean into the truck, and he would put his paws, his forearms into the truck. And his whole head would come into the cab of this four-by-four truck just to be able to look him on the face. So he was a massive animal. He was a powerful animal. And when that light turned dark, that first time, and he cowered up against that door, he was crying.

like something was beating them. And when I figured out, before I can even, you know, at the age of five, you don't really know much, I just knew that the dog was being hurt. And I remember, you know, trying to get out there and figure out what's going on with them and being snatched up by my mother and being pulled to the center of the house away from the windows. it was a very, very strange moment. And even as a kid, you know, I picked up on certain details and certain actions that everybody took. And there's no way that, you know, at the age that I am right now that I can make any of any of this.

It can't be fabricated. These are specific details and specific circumstances that happen that. Only one could bring up if they were actually there. And the reason why I say that is because about 10 years ago, I was, I came back from a deployment overseas. And me and my father came out to visit me. I was living in another state at the time. And he came out to visit me.

And, you know, we're in the backyard, barbecuing. having a few drinks. And I brought this up. And Tony, the look on his face is I've never seen my father so white and so white-eyed before in my whole life. His jaw dropped. And he couldn't believe that I remembered this and I brought her back to him. And the only thing that he could say was, I cannot believe that you remember that morning. and, you know, we talked about it a few times, and, you know, I was five at the time, and,

and so I was very young, you know, this is in the age of innocence, most definitely, and, and it took me a while to process to actually figure out, and to make sense of the situation, and to come up to my own conclusions of what actually did happen. and it took me years and years to get to that point but putting it all the pieces together really made me think there is definitely something out there and not all things that are out there are good

and to that day I've never been so scared in my life and I've been in some pretty hairy situations I've been in combat multiple times I've had, you know, direct fire engagements and direct fire engagements. I've seen people twisted and blown up. I've seen body parts everywhere.

But, you know, nothing has ever been. That's scary to me. It brought fear to me. It brought panic to me. Even at a young age where I really didn't understand what was right, what was wrong, what was evil, what wasn't. nothing has ever been that scary and that fearful to me. I mean, it shook me to my core, to the point where even to this day, you know,

not much of anything really could affect me the way it had back then. Because I had witnessed it firsthand. I heard this demon, you know, screaming. I heard this demon bringing fear and terror to my whole family. And there's nothing that can ever prepare you for anything like that, or I don't think there's anything that ever can convince you that that is anything else. You know, you hear a lot of people talking about, well, I heard this, but it must have been a coyote or a bobcat or this and that.

this is something totally different it was something that was supernormal not paranormal not supernatural it was supernormal and these are things that do exist in our lives

and in our world and I think we have to be true to ourselves and understand that there are good forces out there there, there are evil forces out there and there's a fight and there's no way at the age of five that I could ever have come to that conclusion. And it took me years and years of deliberation in reading and studying

and hearing eyewitness accounts that confirm I did hear what I did here. And there's no way that I can make a story up like that at that young with those details that have affected me for the rest of my life. Yeah, I mean, you have the confirmation of your dad who, you know, confirmed that your memory is accurate when he's like, I cannot believe you remember that. Do your parents ever, you know, indulge you in their ideas as to what this is and have they ever seen it? You know, is this something that the whole family knows has been going on for a long time or anything like that? Well, it being a folklore in the American and Southwest, and especially with the Mexican-American and Mexican cultures, is just something that is there as present. and it is there.

It affects everybody. It can be witnessed, and you have to be careful, and you have to be fearful for these things, and at the same time you have to be strong in your faith, because these things can affect you, and it can get to you. You know, my parents eventually got involved in a religious group that really doesn't believe in the, you know,

in demons for angels or anything like that. that they're just more factual about things as according to what they believe in their philosophy and their philosophy and their theology. My mother, I remember her talking about it to my grandfather, this one was years ago. But after the whole switch of religion things, she claims that she heard everybody talking about it, but she didn't quite hear it. So she's a bit of a denier. and I think that has everything to do with her change in theology and the religious organization that she affiliates with. Now, I will tell you this, I didn't talk to anybody about this for the longest time. But my grandparents, and this is a different grandparents from the ones that actually witnessed it on that back.

This was from my mother's son. And they lived in a nearby city, but they went there that night. It's a whole different set of grandparents. My grandfather, he was a very spiritual person. He was very, he was very in tune to everything. And he was a great man and great father figures among us and he's a World War II veteran. And, you know, he had been through a lot of things in his life. And there would be certain conditions.

And this is when I was a bit older, you know, maybe preteen and stuff like that. I'd like to be running the streets and I would like to be out and about, you know, my cousins and my uncles. And there were certain times during certain conditions where he would physically go outside and call us back in because he felt that. that the spirit that it could be out that night and he would get very paranoid and very worried and he would, you know,

he would wrangle us all up in and pull us inside the house. And he was a man that grew up in, in the mountains of Arizona. His father, they were from California originally and they migrated when they moved back east to Arizona to work the,

the minds, the proper minds. And I remember him telling me that there was three occasions that he heard Lyotona himself as a kid growing up. And it would be the same conditions every single time, Tony, that he would be out there worrying about us,

calling us, you know, wrangling us in into the house because he didn't want us to be out there. And the conditions were always something similar as, you know, dark, overcast, no moon out. Everything was quiet, you know, the proverbial calm before the storm. When those conditions hit, you know, he would be nervous and he would be looking for us. And I remember he'd get into his car, hopped the horn so we can get back to the house

because, you know, he had experienced it as well. Now, you know, my grandfather and my grandmother, their house that I experienced this in, there was a lot of paranormal activity in this house. And growing up, going down there and spending the weekends there, it was very scary. And the older I got, I realized, you know, the last time I actually wanted to spend there in that house.

And I love my grandparents. you know, they were caring, they were loving, they were beautiful people, but, you know, there was something in that area, there's something in that house that brought a fair community on a level where I didn't want to go. I didn't want to stay there. And even as a kid, I would fight and fight and fight. And recently, one of my odds from my mother's side told me that, uh, She remember how strange it was when I was a kid that I never wanted to go there and that I would fight my parents about going there and staying there because I just felt something there.

And it started with Villarona. After that happened, I didn't want to be in that house. I don't want to be anywhere in that house. And that was just a small portion of the things that were going on in that house. There was a room inside. that house. And this is, this is aside from La Yorona and that whole story and that whole myth.

But there was a specific room in that house where none of us, and when I say us, I mean the people in my generation, my cousins, they're probably about eight. Eight of us. That we didn't want to go in this room

because there was a lot of things that would happen in this room. We would see apparitions. we'd try to go that down in there and we'd get pulled from our legs from our feet off the bed

and it was just even when that that didn't happen even if you passed by that room you just felt that you were being watched and surrounded and

you know my grandparents knew again there they were also very spiritual person people in And they knew that we all felt it as well. And I remember there would probably be about 30 people in the house often. And the members down there for functions, weddings that went out.

And all of the kids, all of cousins, you know, we're all around the same age. We'd go to the opposite of the house, opposite side of the house, to sleep on the ground and sleep on the couches and the floors. And my grandmother would come in and she would ask us, you know, in Spanish, you know, she would ask us and say, hey, there's a whole room back there were two beds. much to go back to sleep and be like, no, you know, there'd be an aide of us saying,

no, no, we're not going back there and sleeping. And that room always remained vacant. And this is the same house that, you know, that we all witnessed Lall, Yerona. Now, I do remember as that voice went away, as that scream went away, and everything went back to normal on that morning that I witnessed it,

I remember everybody in that neighborhood, they congregated to a certain intersection. This intersection was faced the Catholic Church. And all of the families and houses went to the center, and they were talking about what was happening. And they all heard it. And there probably was about 50 people out in the middle of street. that, you know, corroborated the stories and with the witness and hearing the screams of Yorona.

It was, it was absolutely crazy. And it's even more crazy now that I think about it, and I try to make some type of sense of it as an adult. It's absolutely my boggle. And I experienced that when I was five, and I put all this together.

So when I bring this up to the adults that was there, they can't believe, I remember that story in detail I did. I mean, it really shook me, and it really shaped me, and it made a lasting impression on me for the rest of my life to this day. Yeah, it definitely sounds like it. I mean, the way you talk about it, it seems like it's still an impactful thing. Do you think that the dog was physically being attacked during that episode?

I think he was. because the way he it sounded like he was being killed like he was just being pulled apart I've never witnessed anything like that and I was a mere few few feet away from that door and from that dog

yeah and it was it was intense it was intense yeah I can imagine man well it sounds like there's some crazy stuff going on there for sure what it is, well, we'll let the audience decide, you know. But it's definitely interesting, man.

And, you know, I don't think that, one, I don't think it's crazy. And also, I think that the family, I think your family probably knows a lot more than they're even willing to talk about, you know, it's probably one of those things where it's just like, eh, let's just kind of let time forget about it, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. When you go through something like that, Tony, I think everybody has their own way of processing information and being

defensive and a lot of that is just their way to just really forget about something like that and that traumatic that can even happen in the first place and there's no way to explain it. So a lot of it is just you know, defensive mechanisms

to cope with and yeah, it's uh is definitely something that is that has shaped my thinking and my way of life to this day. So, you know, I think that this has affected me in a lot of different ways, but one thing I want to talk about, I believe it has made me more in tune

and more aware of what is really out here in our world. I can't really explain what it is, what I could explain what I feel, what I felt and how it is affected other people. So you know, there's a specific time where I was deployed and we were in a combat environment and

engaged in direct fire. And we were trying to maneuver on on some enemy that was embedded in the school yard. They were in a schoolhouse they were sniping at us and you know opening fire from the school. So we went

into, you know, our movement techniques and our procedures to assault this group that was in the school. And, I mean, we've done it a few hundred times. It was just like clockwork. It's just something that you go through. It's a battle drill. It's something that you don't think about. You just automatically start engaging in order to develop the enemy. And for some reason this time, man, I don't.

And I still don't know how it happened or what made me say this or what clicked on my head. But as soon as we started our window, it was off the sent of me, you know, something hit me. Something hit me. And I just stopped everything. And I said, hey, you know, I got up on the net on the radio. And I said, hey, you get all the dismounts back to the trucks because, you know, we're in up-arm our trucks. and we had MRAPs and all fire hens and

we had fire support with 50,000 240s and they were rocking but something hit me and said get you people back in the trucks because that was all on the line of protection so our radio ground unions to get back in the trucks and you know everybody is like

you know what the hell's going on you know we're about to get busy we're going to roll these people up this needs to happen and I said listen there's no argument right now just just get back in the dang trucks and so they did. And about 10 feet, you know, 15 feet, they're moving, they get closer. And I was just nervous, man.

There was something that came over me and couldn't understand that I couldn't explain it. But I was really nervous. I just wanted them back in the trucks. And the moment they got back in the trucks, there was an earthen mound that was running north to south that my troops had lined up in. and as soon as they started, you know, regressing towards me, that whole mound blew up. And, you know, I didn't think nothing over the, hey, combat, sometimes you make decisions, sometimes you make good decisions sometimes, and decisions aren't that good. But hindsight, you know, that's just the way it is. But I remember a few months later, a few of my troops are talking to me and they're saying, hey, why in the heck did you call us back that day?

I said, what day I said, what day you're talking about? And I said, okay, that day were relying up on the on the berm, regal assault. And I said, I can't explain it to you, man. I just had to get you back. I just knew that there was something, and I had to get you back. You know, and there was probably about

three or four of them, and they were pretty touched. There's a few things I think that when you experience something like that, you just kind of more in tune with your natural or supernatural world, if you will, but it has made me the person that I am today for better or worse. So you think that that experience kind of gave you access to an intuition that maybe you wouldn't have had otherwise? Absolutely. I got you.

Yes. It makes sense. I mean, I understand where you're coming from. You know, we go through life and we have certain experiences. And one of the biggest tells is when you go through an experience, remembering how you felt during that experience because how you feel during an experience can actually lend to in the future when you're going through something. If you remember how that previous experience felt, you might be able to recognize and understand what's going on around

you before, you know, something crazy happens. Right. Well, that's interesting, man. I'm glad that you, I'm glad that you listened to the intuition and I'm glad that you got out, okay. But, But most of all, I'd like to say thanks for serving in the military, man. Hey, thanks for your support, Zoning. I appreciate it. For sure. What branch of the military did you serve in? I served in the Army.

Gotcha. Okay, cool. Yeah, I don't know if I mentioned on the show and stuff, but I was very close to to join the military when I graduated high school, and I chickened out. I got scared. So I didn't go. But there's a lot of people who aren't chickens, and they go and they serve, and I tip my hat to them.

So thank you very much. Thank you. And thank you for what you do. I appreciate everybody has a purpose. And, you know, if you weren't here doing what you do, I wouldn't ever been able to talk to anybody outside of my closed circle. So I do appreciate what you do as well. Well, that's the sure, everybody.

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