The Confessionals - 270: The Patients Are Possessed

Episode Date: September 22, 2020

In Episode 270: The Patients Are Possessed, we talk to our guest Will, a clinical supervisor at a treatment facility. Will shares some of the experiences he has had with his patients that range from possession to shared visual experiences of the paranormal. He also talks with us about his bigfoot experience, UFOs, and the book he wrote, "Deconstructing A Paradigm: A Treatise For The Unbelievable."Will's book: https://amzn.to/2HmMw0IBECOME A MEMBER AND GET ADDITIONAL SHOWS: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: https://simplisafe.com/confessionals Get Emergency Food Supplies: http://www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: https://bit.ly/2FbOhN5 Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaI Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappeared. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face.

They basically decapitated. And I look over, and there are two small gray entities. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe, and it couldn't move, because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionals at

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25 years. If you purchase that, we'll knock $100 off for you. It's a great idea to be prepared in any kind of situation for you and your family. So if you're interested in preparing for future events of shortages of food, go to prepare with the confessionals.com. Now, we have Will coming on this week, and Will is a clinical supervisor at a treatment facility in Minnesota, and he has some experiences with his clients and hauntings in the facility, people being possessed.

He talks about that. He talks about his possible Bigfoot experience, UFOs. We get into a lot of different stuff. So let's get to Will right now. All right. Today we got Will on the show. Will, how you doing, man? Great. How about yourself? I'm doing good, man. So I find you an interesting guy because of your background, and we'll get

into some of the other things today where you actually wrote a book about some things that I just find very fascinating. And my wife is reading your book right now, and she's loving it. Before we get into anything, though, let me do this. What's the name of your book and where can people get your book? It's called Deconstructing a Paradigm, and it's available on Amazon. Okay, so deconstructing a paradigm. It's available on Amazon. Give the audience like a synopsis of what the book entails. Well, I guess what I was going for is really, it does have a subheading also. I probably should have thrown that in there. A treatise for the unbelievable. So deconstructing a paradigm, a treatise for the unbelievable, really, that's what it is. Is,

I came to a point where I started getting into some weird things. I don't even remember how it started, whether that was with stumbling on to L.A. Marzuli's work or the first Dog Man Encounter episode that I heard, I don't know where it came from. And I always had a belief in supernatural things. but I suppose my interest started to really accelerate within the last two or three years. And so as I began to get into that sort of thing, I thought, I mean, it's kind of insane that here's this, what I believe is reality, a whole different faction of reality that most people don't even give any credence to.

So I guess what I wanted to do is almost an apologetics, although it covers a wide range of topics. You know, it isn't, it's not specific to anything like UFOs or cryptids or conspiracies, but rather covers kind of that broader range. And I kind of wanted to get into also, you know, why don't people believe in this sort of thing? Or what happens with a person in their belief system to just kind of shut that stuff down when really there's a ton of, some of the evidence that I came across,

pick out some of the skeptical counter arguments, and debunk some of those to the best of my ability. And that's kind of what it is. Well, I think it's an awesome book. Lindsay and I were talking about it this morning. and it was actually the topic of the conversation first thing in the morning. We were downstairs. The kid was still waking up and stuff and she's telling me about your book. And I just found it very fascinating. And I strongly encourage people to check it out, not only because of the content that I find interesting, but I told you this, Will. Lindsay reads a lot. And before my son was born, she was reading well over 100 books a year. She used to write. She's very well informed with what good writing. is and what keeps people's attention. And when my wife gives a raving review, I take it as scripture. It's like, okay, well, this is a good book then. And she did the same thing with Timothy Renner. We've had him on the show several times in his books. Like, she said about Timothy, like, for somebody who wasn't

trained to be a writer or anything like that, you would never know it. Like his books are just really well written. And she said the same thing about yours. So I highly recommend people checking that out and stuff for themselves. But Will, you're a clinical supervisor at a treatment facility, and there has been some paranormal activity occurring there. And you are going to share some of these stories today, and including, I guess, a very rare encounter that somebody else had that told you, but they're not really willing to talk about it, but they told you it's okay if you talk about it. So let's get to it, man. What are some of the things going on in the treatment facility? Start off by saying it's a facility for the chemically dependent and the mentally ill.

So it's a dual diagnosis facility. The clients that come in, it's primarily chemical dependency. So our clients all struggle with chemical dependency. And most of them also have a co-occurring disorder of some kind of mental illness. that said, there's an obvious distinction between somebody who struggles with an organic brain disorder and somebody who is seeing something that is largely not thought to exist. So when, I actually have to maintain anonymity for any of the clients, so I'll change all their names. but it seemed to, well, actually, before even any of that started,

some of the staff had noted that there was, and I think they said it was always specifically around midnight, they'd see on the security cameras outside a shadowy figure standing on the picnic table. There's a little courtyard area, which I never saw myself because I don't work that late. and I mean as interested as I am in the subject matter, you'd think that I'd make the trip out there to have a look, but I guess such is my laziness that I've never got around to it. So that, and I don't know if that's still going on. I could probably follow up on that.

I don't know that it is, though. So that was the first thing. I kind of piqued my interest. There's nothing going on now, to the best of my knowledge, but there was a period there for, you know, I'd say about a week or so, where one of the clients who is not diagnosed with any kind of a mental illness that would result in audio or visual hallucinations of any kind, I'm trying to think, I think she may have had a diagnosis of anxiety at the most,

but I don't think anything beyond that. I was a participant group. She said, well, I've been waking up. up to the sound of like a radio playing every morning for the past couple days. And, you know, I thought that was odd. Followed up with some of the staff working on the unit. And there's no radios playing, especially not that early. It's not a giant facility, so they would know.

His client said it was coming from outside of the room. And staff working the floor would certainly be aware if there was anything like that. And they said, no, there's no radio. If there's any noise disturbance, we'd get it on the shift report. And, you know, then we'd have to speak with the individual responsible and try to get them to be more respectful with the volume of their radio. However, that didn't seem to be the case. So it seemed to be at that time that it's probably an audio hallucination. from, I don't know what they thought.

Her mental health diagnoses didn't seem to indicate that that would be a likelihood in any way. But, you know, what do you do if somebody's hearing something that's not that nobody else is hearing? I suppose you conclude that it's a hallucination. That, I think, was kind of it for the moment. And sometime later, maybe a couple of days later, she continued to report the same thing. and some of the other clients began to report it as well. They said, well, yeah, I hear it too. And I don't know if it was she or another individual who reported seeing a kind of like a black mist or smoke in the facility in some of the rooms, which is interesting.

I've heard that before from a schizophrenic client, and he had a very acute. awareness of his schizophrenia. So he wasn't terribly delusional. He's just like, yeah, I have schizophrenia. I see things. And the books now by a guy named Albert Rosales, who has accumulated this. It's a series of books called Humanoid Encounters. And I don't know if I'm supposed to plug other books, but it's really, it's really quite a comprehensive collection of people throughout the, It starts 1 AD. I think the first one is a report of Pliny the Elder who solidified honey. It goes on to describe it and everything.

It's like, wow, this is, so that got my attention. So I'm working on that series of books. A lot of encounters I'm noticing a lot of these reports until eyewitnesses in the paranormal world for whatever reason. So any of the smoke materialized any kind of a tangible. It was curious that multiple clients began to report. So that went to the treatment team. And we staffed these things. We would not be the opportunity to say so, myself included.

So I didn't. But professional and we have a team of counseling the mental health staff. And among them, it seemed to be the case that, like a massive stereotype thing, that, okay, so Sally is reporting this, hearing this radio and having this weird experience. So now other people are having selves all worked up and fishing the other day. And I caught a trout jumping from beyond the couch or, you know, wherever other people to hallucinate the same experience. Right. So I just, since hallucination, I really saw that thing, there's no, there's no statistical probability that two people with fabrication down to the, down to the minute details. So oftentimes I think when people are saying, they're relegating.

an experience to the realm of mass hysteria. What they really mean is mass hallucination, and that's simply a fairy tale. Mass hallucination isn't a thing. To conclude it could possibly be anything else. So I think it came to a head. It's individual calls. I heard this directly from her in another group,

or if it's something that came through in one of our clinical staffings. So she began to wake up and not only was hearing the radio, but then she would see a red light coming from the hallway, kind of shining under her door. And it appeared as though the floor was wet, which is strange. So whatever's happening, the question if that's what it was, is becoming a little more complex. I heard of it is, so now there's this other client that'll call her, Amy, the other side of her. She was quiet about it. She really didn't say much. She didn't want to talk about it. I didn't press her.

At that same time, Sally, the way closet is, and there's a figure hanging in her closet, we'll go into detail with the description of the attire or anything like that. So after that, I think it seems to have slowed down. I don't know. I guess my impression is that we did have a client there also, who I enjoyed speaking with quite a bit. She was into the new age kind of stuff. And when I met with her, I was like, you know, that I'd be careful with that. I think that can open doors that we don't know necessarily how to shut.

And she was, you know, you could have a conversation with her. She didn't shut it down or anything like that or take personal offense to it. But she had said that strange phenomenon seemed to, follow her. One time, and if this was on a meth bender, she lost control of her body. And she said, it happened for about three days. She was not the type that was really given to emotion too much, but she did begin to cry when she was relaying this story to me.

And again, she didn't really go into detail, but she was not in control of her own body for a good three days or so. And, you know, I said, well, you know, that that sounds like possession to me. And she said, yeah. So it's something that had an impact on her and freaked her out quite a bit. I mean, if I'm praying for clients and I'm trying to share with them my own beliefs, I can't imagine that would go unnoticed for too long. I'd probably get yelled at for it.

So I don't make a habit of praying for my clients, but I did with this individual. And, I mean, there's no, you know, demons didn't fly out of her mouth or anything like that. It was just a prayer when she said thank you, and that was that. But I wonder if, I can't narrow it down to the exact day she left at this phenomenon, started to decrease or go away entirely, but I can at least ballpark it to about that time frame. And we have clients coming and leaving, so it wasn't necessarily her, but to the best of my,

My best guess is that she may have unwittingly kind of had an influence, but again, I can't be certain. Yeah. I know that with, there's, there is something with, that I've noticed that stands out aside from other drugs. People on meth often see shadow figures, and you don't hear it with heroin, you don't hear it with hallucinogens even. It's with meth. Now, it isn't directly related to the meth high, but more the fact that meth is such a potent stimulant that it can keep you up for days on meth and staying off for days at a time. It will begin to see shadow figures, nation induced by time. But if your brain is just wildly hallucinating, you'd think that you'd have a more diverse array of hallucinations rather than just everybody's seeing shadow people.

Between drugs and the spirit, something like ayahuasca. the connection is definitely there. It's an interesting thing that I don't have anywhere near figured out. All right. Well, you know, it's interesting because I wasn't sure where you would go with certain things and stuff, but I find it interesting that with what you just said and stuff, you know, it makes you wonder what drugs are capable of doing. Do they open up a line of sight that we don't typically have access to, maybe through the pineal gland, the third eye, you know, that's the DMT tripping stuff like that's what that does i mean it like it gives you access to the third eye the pineal gland it kind of wakens it and you see things in another realm and in that you talk about

people having mass hallucinations i often question why is it that people who do DMT when they come out of the experience they all say they saw the same thing they all say they saw the same thing like if i'm tripping it's just like i took a drug and I'm tripping on crazy things that I'm thinking of. If it's my mind producing these images, then you would think everybody's minds would be producing different images as to maybe their worst fears

or their most fantastic delights they could imagine. But surely not everybody would be tripping and their mind producing the same imagery. But that's what this is doing. And so I truly believe that drugs do have a capability to opening up our minds and our, for lack of better turns, pineal gland, third eye, into other realms, other dimensions that maybe we were not,

we're not supposed to necessarily have access to, but we do, or maybe we did it one time, we'd lost the ability. I don't know, but I find it really fascinating. And, you know, I'm assuming that's kind of like, do you think it's like a third eye situation? Is that what you're thinking too? Well, I think it must be. You know, it has to have something,

to do with the individual's perception. It doesn't open a door such that everybody around a drug addict is also seeing these shadow people. It's only the individual seeing it. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what Sending the Vale really means if it's some kind of an awakening of the pineal gland that does it. I'm not sure. But, you know, those are my thoughts exactly. You know, everybody coming back from DMT trip is saying, well, I saw these,

maybe Terrence McKenna, or whoever else may describe as a machine elf or a cosmic jester. And they all have kind of that elven gestory sort of, with some variation. But I heard one guy's account on YouTube, he was just kind of beginning, getting into Christianity. had one foot in, one foot out, so he's still doing his DMT trip, and he goes on a DMT trip and decides to mention Jesus. And the report he came back with is, they really don't like it when you do that. They became very hostile and not a fan. So, you know, I don't, I know that some people interpret.

The ATJNs? Wow. Wow. I never heard that before, but that's really interesting, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, pretty telling. I think some people have these experiences and think that, well, they're benevolent beings and they wanted to share with me all the secrets of the universe. Well, I mean, when you have such a response of vitriol to what is considered by many

to be a holy name, in my opinion, it's fairly safe to conclude that maybe there's not so benevolent after all. Yeah, I hear you on that. And, you know, sitting here and hearing you talk about that reminded me that I actually had a customer that I was talking to and I told him what I do and he was fascinated by it. Then he's like, have you ever listened to Joe Rogan? And I was all time, man, of course. Like Joe Rogan is somebody, I don't think anybody that listens to podcast hasn't stumbled across his show. And he asked me what I thought about DMT. And I said, I don't know. I said, I've never done it. I'm not planning on it. But from what I hear other people's experiences, it's pretty fascinating to hear people will talk about it. And he said, I'm going to,

I'm going to try DMT soon. I want to see what everybody's talking about. And I was like, well, I said, if you do that, let me know how it goes, man. Well, he did. He actually wound up buying a frog that produces DMT in a gland on its arm. And I guess it's illegal. Like he, like he, you're not supposed to buy things like living animals offline and have a ship to you kind of thing, but that's what he did. And he harvested his own DMT now. And, uh, he tried the DMT from his, his, um, slave labor frog. And, uh, he, it worked. And he's like, dude, I saw God. And I was like, what do you mean you saw God? And he's like, I don't know how else to describe it other than I came out of that experience believing in God.

And I was like, whoa. Like I was like, wow. Like people are seeing some crazy stuff. And I don't know what's crazy, what's factual, what is there, what's figuring of imagination. Listen, I'm a guy with a podcast, but it's fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. And with these clients and everything, I was going to ask you, and it seems like you kind of went there anyways. it seems like if it was a two-week period that maybe it was somebody within the facility,

maybe it was that girl, maybe was somebody else, but it seems like somebody brought something in with them and it was kind of doing its thing until that person left. Did you ever have a chance to really look at records to try narrowing down the set of people that it could have been other than that woman? We actually had a number of people that could have been. And, I mean, if it was anyone, I don't know. know, I guess that's an assumption I'm making. But when I was talking with her, our conversation started to stray toward astral projection,

things like that. And she's like, yeah, I know. You know, there's a few people here who astral project. And I'm like, really? I didn't ask who I didn't want to pry or anything like that. Although maybe I should start being a little more nosy because that would have been interested to know. Yeah. But it is, you know, I think it's a more prevalent thing than most people are aware.

So, you know, if we had a number of clients who are astral projecting and doing things like that, then, you know, certainly could have been anybody. Yeah, you know, I've never said this on the show before because I don't know how much I believe it. but I'll tell you a story real quick. One night I was producing this show, and it was probably like two, three o'clock in the morning. And I was in the office by myself, family sleeping, and I just had this sudden urge that I wasn't alone. And that doesn't happen to me often. In fact, rarely it happens to me. You would think it happened to me a lot with hearing all these stories that I do on the show,

but I don't know if I've gotten numb to it or what, but I really don't have. many experiences in my life and if I have them, they're spread out. But this experience, I'm sitting in the office and I'm, and I just have this overwhelming feeling that I'm not alone. And I didn't feel like the first thought that came in my head wasn't, there's a demon in here or there's a ghost in here. I had this overwhelming feeling that somebody was relocating into my office that they had left their body and they were here with me. And it was a really creepy feeling because I was like, if somebody is really here with me because they astro-projected or they truly left their body and came here, like, I felt really vulnerable. And like,

there's nothing I could have done, you know? Like, what do you do? There's nothing you can do. And so I just, I sat there and I wasn't scared or anything. I just felt weird. And I just had this overwhelming feeling that I wasn't alone. And I don't know what you said that made me feel like sharing that, but it spawned this memory in my head that I've never shared. I know I've never shared that on the show before. And it's interesting, though, this whole astro projection thing, and people actually being able to do it on demand because you know some people say they do it by accident, but some people are actually doing this on demand. Yeah, and more prevalent in certain, some communities more so than others. Did you get any sense that it was of a personality?

Like it would say perhaps somebody you've had a run-in with before. I know you have this experience where this individual was apparently trying to put some kind of a satanic curse on you. Yeah, yeah. Well, I've never really felt. until now that you said that, that it could have been that person. And I don't know if it was that person or not. But what I felt like, there was like this mind's eye thing going on where I felt like this presence was here. And I don't know, I guess it was my mind's eye was drawing this image. I don't know if it was true or not, but I had this feeling that it was a male presence and that the person was not an overly powering person physically, that they were more slender, dark hair.

and for whatever reason, I felt like, like in my mind's eye, I was seeing somebody with, like, slick back hair, not real long hair, but it was just like kind of like slick back. And, and honestly, like, I never, I've never had an experience like that before, and it was just once. And I don't know if it was just my imagination,

get to me after listening and working on a show that late at night or what, but I just had this overpowering sense that there's somebody in the room. And, uh, they were, there in spirit form. And I had the sense that they were projecting themselves here, that they weren't a dead person and it wasn't a demon. I had the sense. Like it was like, you know, with everything that I deal with on the show, I, you would think that if I was going to get freaked out at random with a random incident that pops in my mind, it would be like a demon or, you know,

Uncle Joe with the axe or whatever. But this was a very specific feeling of somebody like it stopped me in my tracks. Like I felt like there was somebody here that was. astral projecting themselves to my location. And it was really weird, but I don't know. I have no proof of it. I didn't see anybody with my physical eyes. It was just like my mind's eye, like was painting a picture of this presence that I was feeling now. Yeah, that's interesting. I want to rely more on that kind of intuition because it would be easy without having any proof to say, ah, staying up too late. Maybe it's my imagination. But then, you know, why don't you have similar incidents during other times where you're staying up too late and you're tired and it's kind of hard to

it's hard to say without any definitive proof but I had done the same thing when I had seen a shadow person the hatman specifically and I had just thought you know that's my imagination for years and only when I started to really get into this and find that there are several people who have seen the shadowy figure wearing a head. hat that I decide, okay, well, that's a little bit beyond coincidence. You know, if I saw that, and I thought I saw that, and it made enough an impact on me that I carried that memory with me, and other people are seeing the same exact thing, and it's pretty unlikely, again, that everybody is just having the same exact hallucination,

including the details of its attire. So, actually, there was a show you were doing, as I think one of your earlier, ones with with Lindsay where she had said something similar and I think she had an experience and then just kind of wrote it off as imagination but later on in her life um was hearing about other reports and then kind of went um you know I must have if other people are seeing it then I must have to correct me if I'm wrong on that I'm not sure but episode three yeah yeah I know it was one of those earlier ones and that's kind of of what made me go to like, oh, wow, that's, that's pretty much my experience. Yeah, and I think it's a lot of

people's experiences where, you know, they have an experience, they don't know how to define it, because you're not being taught anywhere in life how to define these kind of experiences. It's not like it's in a handbook at school. And so you have these things happen to you. And more often, not people just move on. They stop thinking about it because they don't know how to define it anyways. They don't want to talk about it because they think they're the only ones. And so they just go through life knowing they have this memory of something, doubting it as time goes on, wondering if they just imagined it. And then, you know, shows like mine and situations where they stumble across a plethora of stories that are identical to what they experienced or at least really

close. And it gives them a way of, you know, maybe working it out in their minds, even if they're not coming on my show or, you know, telling the world about it, like maybe it helps people work it out in their own minds that, hey, at least I know I'm not crazy. And maybe this really did happen. I don't understand it, but at least I know I'm not alone in it. And that's, you know, one of the biggest motivations for this show, really, is that just people get things off their chest and then the people listening have the opportunity to hear a story that maybe they can relate with and helps them as well. I'm not a therapist. I'm not, you know, anything like that. I just, you know, that's the kind of environment I want for the show where people just come forward.

It's table talk. We're just sitting around talking about each other's experiences. And hopefully everybody's benefiting from it. I can say from personal experience that people are. And since I've, I guess my interest in this subject matter has increased, I've come to the same conclusion with multiple things. Another one was the result of listening to your show too. I recall time of several years ago. I was outside on the porch at the house I grew up in in Wisconsin and just kind of looking up into the sky, and I saw a light appear. It was just like a star. If it didn't do what it did, then it didn't just stay sedentary.

So it appeared, and then as soon as that winked out, I don't know whether it was another one or the same one, but another one winked on, you know, it's really hard to say distance since it looked like a star, but somewhat nearby it. And then when that one winked out, another one winked on about, you know, about the same distance. And I thought, did I really see that?

And again, I don't know what episode it was, but you had a guest on that described something similar. And I thought, well, it's a weird feeling to just kind of fabricate out of nowhere. I don't know. I didn't see a disc shape or anything like it was a UFO in the truest sense of the term as unidentified. well, no, probably more closely described as unidentified aerial phenomenon rather than a flying object, because I really couldn't say either way.

But then the same thing happened to me with the thought that it was a big foot until I listened to enough episodes of Sasquatch Chronicles to understand their behavior. And that was also at the same house on the same porch. and I know I wasn't imagining that because I was out there with my sister and this was back in the day so I was still drinking I haven't drank in over 12 years but I was and there are other houses nearby so we did have a neighbor and all of a sudden there's this I hear this rustling in the leaves and I look over by the tree and it's entirely concealed

so I never I never really physically saw anything more than just kind of like a bag shadow I couldn't a certain size or anything like that, peeking out from behind the tree. And I thought it was one of the neighbors coming over or something like that. We didn't have good rapport or anything like that. So, you know, I have no idea, but I guess I didn't know what to say. So I said, do you want a beer? And I'm bad with distance, probably 50 yards away or so.

And at that time, they were doing construction on it. So they're making a two-lane highway into a four-lane. lane. This is Highway 151 running up through Wisconsin. And the speed that this got, well, what I thought was a guy, got up there was a side, but you could make out the silhouette kind of, of this figure moving northbound, along the road, whether it was on the road or just alongside it, not sure, or anything like that. And so I've been thinking he must have gotten on a bike and somehow gotten up to speed, because there's no sound. So it's not a sound. So it's not a vehicle, but it's going too fast.

And that's why I think it was something, Sasquatch or like a Sasquatch, because you hear these Sasquatch encounters, and they do things like peek around trees, tend to come out at night. Movement is, no bobbing. It's just, oh, now I'm thinking, I wonder if I offered a Sasquatch beer.

Probably not the only person to have done it, but... Well... And there's a lot of speculation there, but it's weird. You might be one of the few, man. you might be, because whether you are looking for Bigfoot or you're not looking for Bigfoot, I think the last thing people are thinking is, you want a beer? That's funny. That's funny.

You know, I had a friend who, before I started the show, I actually just came, had just come out of my paranormal Bigfoot closet, you know, where I kept all this stuff that I do in private from my everyday life. And I had a friend of mine come to me and tell me, uh, that one day he was hunting and he was in his tree stand and out of the corner of his eyes, he saw what something, and now this is in Pennsylvania, we only have black bear here. We do not have brown bears. We don't have grizzly bears. We have black bears.

That's it. And in the area he was in, there are bears. But what he saw was something that was, it was real quick that he saw it, but it was about 10 feet tall. on its hind legs and walking into the tree line. And it was brown. And so he tells me this story. I'm like, dude, you freaking saw a squatch. Like, I was excited and all that stuff.

And I still think that's what he saw. But over time, he started questioning himself. And the last time I talked to him about it, he said to me, you know, man, I don't know what I saw. I'm starting to think that maybe I didn't see anything but a bear. And in my head, I'm like, what do you mean, dude? Like, you saw something that was brown in color, like, you know, let's just say eight feet tall, 10 feet tall, like tall. And it was walking on its hind legs.

Like, yeah, I know bears walking their hind legs, but like, we don't have bears that color here, you know? And it's just, but I say that because, you know, kind of referencing back to what you were saying earlier stuff, over time, people do start to question what they actually saw. And, you know, I think that's why if you had an experience listening to shows like mine are helpful for people to truly sort things out in their mind, whether they talk to somebody or not about it, just to know that you're not crazy and you're not alone in this world and something bizarre that you saw, I think that's comforting for people. It's strange how that happens because the opportunity, the Hatman experience I had, I don't know if I was, I must have been like 10 or so. But it was in the basement. We had a living room down there.

We had family down there. I think it was probably my mom and brother and sister. My dad may have been awake just down there watching TV. I became tired. My bedroom is kind of just off the living room. So got up off the couch and walked toward my bedroom. The door was open so I could see in there. But before I actually stepped foot into the bedroom,

I see this shadow that's darker than the rest of the bedroom sitting in front. We had a TV in there where we had at that time as probably Super Nintendo. It might have even been like the original old school. So it was sitting in front of the TV and it's got this hat on. The Nintendo controller in its hand, it looks over at me like it's offering and gesturing for like, hey, it's your turn to be Luigi now or something like, that. And, you know, I got, I got out of there. So at the time, obviously, it was real enough for me to, you know, nope, not going back to bed. I'm going to go sit back down on the couch for a while. I'll wait until my brother goes to bed because at that time, we're still young enough where we're

sharing the same bedroom. We had like bunk beds or something, I think, at the time. And so that's what I did. But, and after a while, you begin to think, well, I mean, that's a pretty odd thing. The room was dark. Maybe I was tired. But it takes hearing other people's encounters to go, you know, maybe there was something. I've heard so many Batman encounters now that it can't be the case. I just think I saw this thing. And I never saw it again.

But there were some odd occurrences that happened at that house. So that's another thing that kind of supports it. That was not the only thing that happened there. What other things happened there? I mean, things that I get, one thing, really the main reason that I wanted to reach out to you, because in my opinion, it's important, and I think people should know it. But I guess before I get to that, I know that at one point, my sister said she heard, it sounded like it was bipedal, but it definitely sounded like horse hooves. walking around in the kitchen area. We had a tiled floor, so she could just hear clomping around.

I forget whether she was upstairs or downstairs at the time. She wasn't down the same floor, but it terrified her. And she said that she just heard it, just walking around. Then it went away. Oh, and my mom, too, she said something to the effect that I wish I could remember the surrounding details. I feel like there's more to it. But basically, she heard the phone ring. This is before cell phones, of course. So we had a phone downstairs. There wasn't one upstairs. And my parents' bedroom was upstairs. I don't think anybody was home at the time.

She heard the phone ring. So she went downstairs to get it. As soon, now, the stairs terminate in the dining room area. Once she hit the dining room light popped, it exploded, glass all over the floor, left in darkness to fumble her way to the phone and answer it. When she finally answered it, there was nobody on the phone. So that kind of creeped her out. Another thing that occurred, again, my sister, and she didn't really see anything. Literally no evidence one way or the other.

But she was on the porch and heard a huge, it was definitely a big animal. our neighbors had horses. We know what that sounds like. There's no indigenous wildlife that's larger than a horse in that area. I mean, even a bear had a bear wandered that far. Make that sound according to her. It was very deep. So she could tell it was huge.

And it was just like a chuff or just the breathing of this extraordinarily large thing around the corner. She was out on the porch. And she decided to go inside and not go back. out for the rest of the night. But I guess just taking that into consideration, coupling that with the, what I imagine with a Sasquatch, just because, again, I can't picture a human being running to the highway, jumping on a bike and getting up to speed and fleeing at the speed that this thing left at. Asquatch is not the type thing that it could have been. I don't have like. So not a lot of detail there. But, yeah, well, I mean, it's, I, I, I,

I know it's speculation, but I mean, that's what we do, right? That's what we do here. We speculate. We think about, you know, what if and what could have been. So there's no harm in that. I, you know, before we kind of wrap this episode up, I would like to dive into just some things with you on your book. And, you know, I didn't tell you we were going to do this. So hopefully it's okay. but I want to ask you about Alastair Crawley because I guess you had said that in a book that he was visited by an entity named, I don't even know how to pronounce it, A-I-W-A-S-S, I think that's how you spelled it. And the picture in the book, I guess, my wife was telling me about it, looked like a gray alien. Is that so? Is that ringing the bell? Yes, and I've heard that entity that he channeled, and I don't know if that was through what he called the Alamantra working or if that's that. That was another kind of set of magic spells he did.

Also go by the name of lamb, unless there's two separate entities that have gotten confused. But earlier depiction, you know, extraterrestrial beings called rituals. Another thing, this is on Marzuli's documentary. I think it might have been the fifth one, the Watcher series that he does. This news guy goes out to meet with this guy who goes by prophet, It must have been a slow day at the news station. I don't know. And because apparently this guy could summon UFOs.

So he goes out there thinking it's going to be a funny little gag story. You call him a field investigator, whatever their title is, calls back to the station and says, we're going to have to change the way the story goes, basically. I'm looking up on this guy and this guy conjured a UFO. Well, again, conjuring is something you do on a spiritual level. So I don't want to just, you know, relegate all phenomena to the demonic, but that way. There's a connection between demonic entities and many UFO manifestations that people report. I know I don't want to take up all your time, and this is kind of jumping topic, so I hope you don't mind too much.

But I did want to mention also that this I can also cross-check with some of the reports that of your, some of the eyewitnesses that have been on your show. One guy, what he said he was like, he must have been like two years old. And you saw this little red dragon reptilian thing holding his arms down while he was in his crib slash bed or whatever it is. And then you hear a loud roar, it would roar at him and disappear. And that happened for two or three nights before it stopped. And something similar happened to my brother, roughly the same age. And I know people are, I think, inclined to discount the testimony of a two-year-old, generally speaking, or even an adult who's relaying a story from what happened while he was two years old or at a younger age.

you know, people tend to think that that's less reliable, but it was corroborated by my mother later on. So his memory is such that kind of the same thing. He was still so young. I think he was in a crib. And I don't even know if I was born yet, but his room was whatever that was walking around with Cloven Hoose. About three nights in a row, as I understand that there was a purple horse or pony and a white pony. rub their muzzles into his kidneys, he'd be on his stomach, like trying to shoot himself from them. And they'd just be grinding their muscles into his back. Impression, they were not just trying to tickle him. They were trying to enter him on the third night.

This happens again. This time, though, there's a huge roar. And something similar happened to an encounter that Brenton saw and shared about his Darrow experience. he was being molested and, you know, for lack of a better word, by an entity. And there was a shadow figure there to hurt a loud roar. Then those things got out of there. And they seemed to be afraid of the roar. Well, these ponies or horses or whatever they were were apparently afraid as well,

because once that roar happened, they disappeared. And, you know, my brother was as afraid of the roar as with anything else. if anything you may be even more afraid like great what now but at that point there was a glow coming from outside of

his room and it got closer with like glowing fiery eyes and I don't think he remembers so I don't I don't know how or at what point the transition occurred but

at some point the lamb turned into a human figure and walked with him and walked with him downstairs, talked with him. He doesn't remember what was said except for when they finally went back upstairs. My brother didn't want to leave and asked him, you know, when are you going to be back? And he said, soon. And then he was gone. And the next day, apparently, as my mother tells it, my mother tells it, My brother's sharing this with him, and he's saying, a lamb come in.

And then I saw this guy all in white, white hair, and like red, I don't know if he said, red eyes or fiery eyes. And he had always here, and he pointed to his feet. At that point, my mom was going to church, and she's familiar with the revelation. And that's the description. He doesn't look, at least in the revelation description, like a Jewish carpenter. he's got white hair like wool, and he's got eyes of bright figure. And obviously the holes in his hands and feet where he had been pierced.

And of course, as a whatever, a two, three-year-old, however young he was, you know, my brother's not going to know that. He doesn't, though my mom, I think my dad too, they probably both went to church. You know, he's nursery age. He doesn't know anything about the descriptions of the book of Revelation. So, again, not really likely that he's fabricating that. So that to me is the interesting thing, and that's what I think is important to convey. The church really is abnormally rich.

Somehow along the way, it kind of dried up circles, and there's some very interesting things that happen. and I could go on about prophetic things and, you know, in my life in that regard. But what I consider, I think of the email heading was a rare encounter. And I call it rare because I don't hear much about that. That I haven't heard. And it impacted me and probably had something to do with my interest in the paranormal because I never doubted that. I never doubted that.

You know, my brother is not given to fancy. to see, and he doesn't like talking about it. Otherwise, he'd be on the show, but I think it's, I think it's, uh, just mind-blowing to, because to me, I, I, I, you know, how else to, to look at it other than, you know, the God of the universe, you know, the beginning and the end in my house, tormenting demons, and walked with him and comforted him and then left. Yeah, you know, and you said it just a few seconds ago, I, You heard me say it on the show. I mean, we lost our way when it comes to, you know,

understanding the supernatural aspect of our belief system. It's far more paranormal supernatural, however you want to describe it, than most want to give it credit for. And, you know, I have similar stories from family members telling me stuff. I've said it before on the show where my grandfather sharing his experiences that were very supernatural with me, really helped build my faith and belief in this stuff. But, you know, everybody has their own life path and, you know, figured things out the way you want to figure it out and stuff. But I do agree with you.

And I just did do an interview not too long ago. It hasn't been released yet, but maybe it has been once this interview airs. I don't know. But it was a couple that was on with me. And they, he had died. He had gotten sick from something he ate. And he literally died, excuse me, he literally died in the car on the way to a hospital. He was dead for 33 minutes and declared legally dead.

But he came back to life. And what he saw on the other side, he shares with us on the show. And most modern. Western church Christians will not believe what he says because they don't believe in the supernatural anymore. And so, um, anyways, I could go on and on and on. But Will, I do appreciate you being on the show, sharing your experiences from where you work to, uh, the more personal ones to even about your book and stuff. Uh, before we get out of here, though, could you let people know one more time, the name of your book and where they can get it in a brief synopsis of, I think I said that word,

right, synopsis of what it is about. Yeah, it's called deconstructing a paradigm, a treatise for the unbelievable. It's available for $899 on Amazon. Self-publish books, you have to charge something for them. I, you know, I wanted to make it available. I've got, I've got a number of things in there that just struck me as, you know, these are, these are things that have a lot of merit. But when you hear things like the experience of Travis Walton, you really can't dismiss that. There's too much evidence. The giants, the numerous documented newspaper articles amongst historical data that confirm the existence of giants. I would call evil influence in Washington, D.C., and how that relates to the bohemian growth.

and Pizzagate and all this pedophilia stuff we're seeing in the news now come to light. It's just an amalgamation of these things that people tend not to believe that I believe there is a good, solid foundation of evidence for them. And so I wanted to present a lot of the evidence for that and why really what it is is it's an apologetic for the paranormal. and that there's another realm that is truly in existence. And it's threatened by the idea, a very reductionist, materialist idea that is being put forth that, you know, nothing exists, nothing exists apart of what we can see. And I think that's a dangerous belief system, and I think it should be done away with. and so it kind of chip away at that and say, well, you know what, here are some things that the mainstream is not going to acknowledge exists, but here's the data that says it does.

So that's kind of motivated me to write it. Deconstructing paradigm is on Amazon. I'm kind of working on some more stuff now, but slowly since I'm a little busy these days. but yeah, that's kind of it in a nutshell. All right. Well, destructing a paradigm, or deconstructing, I should say, deconstructing a paradigm. Will, thanks for being here, man. I appreciate talking to me. Yeah, thank you. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where you share a show, how you share a show, just share the show if you enjoyed it because that's the best thing you can do to help

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