The Confessionals - 294: The Boyd House

Episode Date: December 15, 2020

In Episode 294: The Boyd House, we talk with Jill who finds herself in a very unique situation. Jill is a paranormal investigator with her own team, and they travel around the country investigating known paranormal locations. Along with paranormal investigating, Jill and her husband found themselves looking to buy the Boyd House, a haunted property that was up for sale, so they could have a go-to location where they could research and investigate. They purchased the home last year, and have now even opened it up to other investigators to come and test their ghost investigation skills. Jill talks to us about the Boyd House and her own team’s experiences in today’s episode.BECOME A MEMBER AND GET ADDITIONAL SHOWS: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSponsors:GET GREEN CHEF: greenchef.com/tony80GET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: https://simplisafe.com/confessionalsGet Emergency Food Supplies: http://www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: https://bit.ly/2FbOhN5Connect With Us:Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter Social Media:Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaI Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkelShow Intro: Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3

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$100 off you right there. And trust me, friends, in today's world, you don't know, but an emergency could last a whole year. Let's do this. Today we got Jill coming on the show, and Jill actually bought a haunted house knowing it was haunted, and that's why she bought it. It's called the Boyd House, and she and her husband purchased it because they wanted to research it, and they actually let other people come in at night to research it as well. Very interesting situation she finds herself in, and she's going to talk about it on today's show. Let's get it. to Jill right now. All right, today we got Jill on the show. Jill, how you doing? Good. How are you, Tony? I'm doing great. So, Jill, we were talking here a little bit,

and you're the first person I'm having on the show that bought a haunted house on purpose as doing the interview from the haunted house. So this is going to be fun. Oh, yeah. Look, I'm glad I'm the first off. That's awesome. Yeah. And so when I called you, you said that just before I called you, you guys heard some kind of noise or something? What was that about? Yeah, we'd probably been here maybe about a half hour. So, and I was quick having lunch, got done with that. My husband was still sitting at the kitchen table eating his lunch as I walked through the kitchen and the living room. All of a sudden, there was this really loud bang. Like, I thought he slammed his foot on the floor, you know, and I just turned and looked, and he's like, I didn't do that. And so we were kind of talking.

I'm like, well, I thought you did it. Where did you think, where did you hear it from? I that it felt like it was in this room. And he said, no, I think it was in the room right above us, which would have been the main bedroom, which is the one bedroom that they don't really like to go in. So somebody was already letting us know early on today that they're definitely here. And they're not happy about you being there, apparently. I guess. I don't know why.

I sure do a lot for them. Ungrateful. Very ungrateful. So, Jill, you're a paranormal investigator. You have your own team. So before we get any further into this conversation, I want to make sure, because I forget things half the time. So I want to make sure that give you an opportunity to kind of tell people who you are, where they can find you and things like that. Okay. Yeah, you can find us, the paranormal team

that I formed back in 2010 is called St. Croix paranormal. So it's S-T-C-R-O-I-X, Paranormal.com. You can also find us on Facebook. And then for the haunted house, the boy, So that's B-O-Y-D, how you can find us on Facebook. And our website will link you also to the Boyd House as well. So this Boyd House is going to be a topic of conversation today. But I want to just start off with maybe some more basics as to one, how did you get involved in, you know, falling in love with the paranormal to the point where you become a paranormal investigator, forming the team?

I know you said that you guys traveled all over the country. So tell us some of these experiences that you've had as part of the team. and where you guys gone and what you've come across? Yeah, I've always been fascinated by the paranormal since I was a young kid. You know, I don't know, just sitting around with my cousins telling ghost stories in the dark. And I actually had my first experience at my grandma's house. You know, I was young. I was probably 10 or less.

And I just kind of felt like this. Well, I woke up in the middle of the night and I could hear footsteps coming out of this one room that have kids all hated. We always felt like you were being watched and not welcomed. and I could just feel it, walk, and hear it walk down the hallway, and it stopped in front of my bedroom. And then I felt like this intense, like it was looking through me. And I was really freaked out because I'm a kid. You know, I've really never experienced anything like it.

And then you kind of heard it by, and it turned around and walked back into the room. And in the morning, you know, I got up and asked my parents, which I heard them sleeping in the next room, but they had never gotten up. And my grandma actually sleeps downstairs. and I was telling her about it. And she just kind of said, oh, that was probably just a ghost, honey, and he's not going to hurt you.

So I thought my really religious grandma just kind of shrugged it off. I was like, well, it's kind of cool. Now I want to learn more about these things. And that just spiraled into just reading and learning and, you know, never really thought about becoming an investigator. So, you know, he started watching the TV shows

and you're like, oh, people can really do this. You know, so then, in 2010, you know, just been a great group of people who are all interested in the paranormal, and we formed St. Croix Paranormal. And boy, we just started traveling all over the U.S. to well-known haunted locations, just doing investigating, trying to prove, you know, the existence of ghosts. And I think with a lot of our evidence, we've captured quite a bit of that to prove that. So with traveling all over the country and, you know, investigating well-known haunted

locations. What was the very first time that you went to a place and you're doing an investigation and you're like, holy crap, I actually got something. Like, you know, that wow factor. Like, you know, there's a lot of times you're doing something in life and you're trying and it's just not turning up. And all of a sudden it works. You're like, wow, that actually worked. And did you ever have one of those experiences? Yeah, yeah, we've had that boy several times. I guess like the first, like our very first overnight investigation. I mean, we We had done, like, local businesses and private homes, but this was, like, our first location that we traveled to was the Veliska X murder house.

And we had the REM pod going off, so that was really cool. And that was, like, the first time in all of our investigating that we've ever had the rem pod ever go off. And then we would have, like, we would hear footsteps, and we would have rocks being thrown at us, like, through the greats from upstairs. You'd hear little pebbles, and they, ting, ting, and then, you'd hear, you'd hear little pebbles, and they, and then it was just crazy the experiences we had that night and just a feel, the feel that you would get, I know it was like overwhelming sadness when I was up in the

room where the kids were, where they were murdered, and just looking how close the parents' room were, and all of a sudden I just, this impending sadness came over me. Like, I've never felt sadness like that before, and I had tears in my eyes. So that was a really crazy experience to get on those investigations. But when we came back from that, the EVPs we got were the most incredible EVPs we have ever captured. Even to this day, excuse me, because they were like the kids actually talking to each other and actually used their names. So Lena was one of the girls who died there. And you could hear the older boys say, no, Lena, no.

she was going to do something and he was telling her not to do that. You heard another little boy like, I want to touch your things because we had all these toys out and we're trying to interact and they actually were talking to each other. So we got one that says, you want to play? And the other one said, no way. So we were just like floored when we got those EVPs. It was just amazing and phenomenal. I can imagine.

I can imagine. Do you, I way, I should have asked you this before we started recording, but do you happen to have those handy where you could email them to me and I can play? on the show? Not right now. I don't, but I can later. Okay. Yeah. If you, I figured that. If you send them to me and stuff, I'd love to maybe try working them into the actual recording here, or maybe even after the episode, play them or something like that. But yeah, it's, I mean, when you hear stuff like that on recording, we've had a couple things, even with this show. I remember, I think the first time that really kind of caught me back was I was talking to a guy and he was talking

about his experiences in this house and his phone line just went dead. And so I called him back. And when I when he answers, he's talking. I think it was like he said a couple of things like, hey, sorry about that. And then he stops talking. And right when he stops talking, there's like this whisper that comes in. And it sounded like at first we thought it said, get Tony. I'm like, whoa, that scares me. Like, no thanks, you know. And the more I listen to it. And people tell me today that they still hear Tony, but I think it's saying Tori. But either way, it sounded like a. it said like get Tori or something. And I asked him about it after we were done recording and he's like, what are you talking

about? I said him, the recording. He's like, man, I never heard that. I was like, wow. So, but it's that wow factor. You know, when you hear something, just like, wow. Now, you mentioned the REM pod. And it's cool that you brought that up actually because I've seen those in use.

If I'm thinking correctly, it almost looks like a little round can with like lights on the top, right? Correct. Yeah. And then it just detect that electromagnetic field. So if that gets broken, then an alarm. So you've got to get relatively close for it to break to get that to go off. And you also have to keep in factors. Like certain things will set it off like a walkie-talkie.

You know, if you're close by that, sometimes the cell phone. So we really try to, you know, when we investigate, try to take a scientific approach. So even though that REM pod may be going off, it's like is anything around here right now causing that, you know, that type of thing. So, you know, I believe in the validity of the REM pod. I've had them use it to answer questions, yes and no questions and things like that. So I think they're a pretty cool device to use. Oh, yeah, I think so too. And I've seen them in use on videos and stuff.

And it looks pretty cool. And, you know, with a lot of this equipment and stuff, and I don't know if you know this or not, but from what I understand, a lot of equipment isn't like it was necessarily made for, you know, paranormal hunting, but it's used in paranormal hunting because of the way it operates. Was the REM pod something specifically created for ghost hunting, or was it something that was created for something else? And we now use it for that because it's very useful. As far as I know, I've always just known it as ghost hunting. I haven't seen anything where such as like the K2 meter, you know, that was obviously, that was an electrician device that we

kind of brought over and used. I could be wrong, though, but as far as I've ever known it to be, I always thought it was a ghost hunting thing. Okay. Yeah, the REM pot is something that the first time I saw it, it was on I think it was a YouTube channel called The Paranormal Files with Colin. Yeah, I think it was Colin. And, you know, I was like, holy cow, the thing was going off. And he had said, even in the video, he's thinking, he said, I've never had this thing operate like this before. It was just like bouncing off the walls. And they had doors opening up and stuff on video. It was just, it was really interesting. That was my first time, I think, seeing the REM pot. I was like, wow, that's really cool.

So what's your go-to piece of equipment that you like using the best? I mean, I'm sure you have. have a favorite. Oh, yeah, my absolute favorite. I know a lot of people are, you know, not for it, but I love the spirit box. That, any form of it, you know, the SB 7, 11, the portal, I have all of those. Just because scientifically, for me, you can't speak that quickly because it goes from one one hundredth of a second, so you can't speak that quickly. And so when you get that full sentences, and then I always get direct.

answers to my questions. So I don't, I don't necessarily, if it's like a yes or no, not, I mean, I'll take it, but I'll also take it with a grain of salt. But when I get a full sentence, or I get swear words, so you can't tell me they said the, the F word on, you know, AM radio as it's scanning. So I, and my hands down favorite, well, gosh, there's so many great spirit boxes, but we actually had done historical house and Stillwater. We were They're investigating because the father had us over because everyone in the house has had experience, and they were, oh, I hate, we just know that this is Captain Jenks' house. Now, Captain Jenks was the old riverboat captain known for downtown Stillwater, and they moved into his home. So everybody had experiences but dad, and he was like, oh, he was like a Ph.D. MD.

He had like, you know, 7, 8, 9 degrees after him. very, very smart, intelligent man. Didn't believe in ghosts. Explain how the spirit box works. So he's like, yes, I agree. I agree with that. I agree totally. And then I said, whose house is this?

And the spirit box had Captain Jenks. Wow. He just, his eyes got so big. So I thought that was like a really cool spirit box moment for me. And it was as plain as day, too. It wasn't even where you had to strain for it or anything, you know. So, yeah. You know, one of the, I've never used a spirit box.

I'm very foreign to any of this equipment. But one of the pieces of equipment that I recently saw, not too long, maybe a year or so ago, that I was like, wow, that's really kind of cool. And maybe you've seen it. I'm not sure. I think it's called an SLS camera or something like that. And it kind of has like the stick figures that pop up when something's on. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we have one of those.

Yeah, we use that. So how does that work? How does that work? It's so like, to me, I'm like, how does it sense something? things there and then draw an outline of a stick figure. It's kind of creepy to me. Yeah, it's kind of a light sensitive thing. I'm not sure of that. I'm not very techy. I do know this is a big gaming device that gamers use, but it should be able to detect with the invisible eye of things that we can't see that's like human form that we can't see. So it makes that stick figure. So we've used it.

we had actually at the, I remember it was the first time we used it was at the Hartford City Jail and we were trying to explain on camera, you know, this is how it works, you know, and I was, you know, in the jail thing in the hallway and my friends are like,

keep going back, keep going back, keep going back, and I'm like, okay, well, I don't like this is dark back here, you know, but I could see the camera, I could see the SLS screen, and all of a sudden you saw the stick figure poke out of the jail cell like right behind me,

I'm like, screw this. And I just... But recently, we used it here at the Boyd House, and this was other people who have come here. I let investigators come. And they get things, too. But I had just brought in a Victrola from the 1900s, and so we were playing with that.

And I was just like, hey, come on in. You know, we got some waltzes going here. Let's see, come and dance. and then all of a sudden a figure appeared in the corner and it started dancing and playing to the beat of the music. And then it disappeared for a bit and then it came and I was like,

oh, you left, you know, we got more to play. And then it showed up sitting in the chair and you could see it just tapping its hands to the music. Holy. Which was really cool. Wow. Yeah, it was crazy.

And then after that, so we stopped doing that and then we went off doing something else while the camera was still rolling, Now, you know, and I even had the lights on at this point. I went to go get something and all of a sudden I looked and there's a stick figure out standing in front of the Victrola moving around trying to figure out how to turn it on and get the crank going because I think it wanted more music. It was just like the craziest thing.

Unbelievable. So as you're telling this, I just stumbled, not stumbled, but I look for Boyd House on Facebook here. And I found your page and the video you're talking about, there is a stick figure on this camera dancing. It's unbelievable. Like, I have, I haven't muted, obviously, but I see it. It looks like it's dancing to like Michael Jackson's thriller or something. It's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. We try to, I try to bring the house. The house itself was built in 1901. So I'm trying to bring it back to the 1900.

So we've pretty much put all old Victorian furniture for the most part. You know, we've done some wallpapering and things like that to make it look old school again. So it's been really fun doing the renovations and stuff. Wow. Another thing I'm seeing here is tell me about this. There has to be a story behind it or at least something. There's a video shot here of an empty room in the camera shakes. What happened? Yeah, that's down in one of the basement. We think it's a playroom just because there's some drawings on the wall that some kids have done. So, you know, I've had a lot of things happen in there. I've had a rem pond and stuff. But I put for my

I don't like that room at all. It's very uninviting and very, it makes me very uneasy, and I've had other people get the same feelings. So that particular day, I just had some stuff set up and left the camera rolling. The more upstairs, and then bam, like something just totally shakes that camera. Like, you hear, like, it's like something bumped into it. And there's nothing down there at all.

You know, a lot of people were thinking it was a mouse or something. I'm like, no, it would have to be in a rat. And I know I don't have. rat, much less I know I don't have mice here either. So it was just a weird, fluky thing of why, you know, it was shaken so hard, which was crazy because nobody's down there. Yeah. When, all right, so when was the last time some, like a family actually lived in this house? Well, the people I bought it from, I think had it for 30 years, but it sat vacant for like a year before I purchased it. So. And you, and you purchased it, what was it, 2010

you said or something like that? No, 2010 is when I was investigating. So this was, we're coming up almost on two years now of me having the house. Okay. And so I'm assuming you live in that area? I live by it, but I don't live that, you know, in the area. Okay. They don't live in the house or anything, but.

So, I mean, how often are you there? It depends. If it's, you know, if I have teams coming in, like I said, I allow people to come in for overnight private investigations, you know, I kind of limits me with my full-time job to just weekends. So whenever it's not booked, I try to get down here. Okay. It's interesting. So when you bought this house, I mean, I'm not real familiar with tons of haunted properties and stuff as far as, like, especially like you are. Is this like a house that was really well known to be haunted nationally or is it something more like locally that you just heard about?

Actually, when it's not like when people sell a house, they advertise that it's haunted. Basically, I was just going to other haunted locations and investigating was always then kind of like, hey, I want to do this too. I want my own haunted place. So trying to just, you know, find a place like that, you know, unless it's already well known. So what I kind of did was just kind of searched for houses in the certain age range and, of course, my price range. And I kind of would get a feel for them as I looked through them. And my realtor that I was working with knew what I wanted to do, that I was looking for haunted locations.

So if I had a feel farm, I would go and we would do a little mini-investigation, and we would bring any equipment and do that kind of thing. Instead of doing like a normal walk-through, like other people, we're trying to see if we can get any hits or anything. But we did get the REM pod going off right away, probably within eight minutes of being here that started going off. and we got some good spirit box responses. And, you know, the owners said they had some stuff, but they blew it off.

The previous owners had set. And so I also checked with the psychic medium that I really trust, and she said that there were four spirits here and a couple of children and a man. So I kind of took a leap of faith and bought the house. And it's just been crazy ever since. Like, I don't think the family before really interacted or they blew stuff off. Nobody really wanted to talk to these spirits. And now everybody's coming and wanting to talk to us.

So we get a lot of EDPs and a lot of equipment interaction. And I think just by doing some of the energies that we do, you know, that we do, you know, running spirit boxes and things like that, I think we possibly, I'm not saying we have a portal, but I think you sometimes might get some passerby spirits that are like, oh, hey, I'm going to swing by. I hear a spirit box going, you know. Plus, we're right by the railroad, too, so that's got some energy, too. Oh, really?

What about the railroad gives the house energy? It's just got the different energy just from the train tracks going through. It's the lay of the land, the line. So sometimes like that, and, like, lime is another one that's supposed to give off really good energy. It just seems like a lot of the haunted locations that we've been at, the real good ones. You notice they're right by railroad tracks all the time. It's kind of a weird, weird thing. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's really interesting and it's good to know because, I mean, one thing I like about doing this show is that I get to talk to people and hear their experiences.

And just as me, as an individual, hearing all these experiences, over time, I start to notice, with certain things. And I, it really, that for me at this point of, you know, my career in podcasting or whatever it is, it really kind of gets me excited when I have a moment where I'm like, wait a second, I've heard that like two, three, four times. We're noticing a pattern here. So it's cool that you kind of, you're saying that there's a pattern there when it comes to the energies. When you, when you bought this house, I mean, I guess then it wasn't like you heard it was haunted. So let's buy it and hopefully it is kind of thing. Like you really were sold on it when you went to do that investigation. It was really drawn to it and I think, you know, I have a little, I'm not, I don't feel

like I'm super psychic, but I feel like I have pretty good intuition in some respects, not always, but I just had a really good, I was just so drawn to the house and then just having those few things happen and then, um, what I thought was interesting for that, the psychic lady that I trust a lot, she said that there's a man who gardens out in the back and the first night that you stay there, you'll hear him come through the door. So first of all, I hadn't bought the house. Now, in retrospect, she said the first night I stayed there. So Sherty knew I was going to buy this house.

So, and actually that first night I did, I was all excited and it was getting kind of late. I'm like, gosh, you know, maybe I made a mistake, maybe, you know. As I walked by the basement door all of a sudden, it was like, bam, bam, bam, bam, like three loud pounds on that door. And I was like, okay, you know, and of course, I jumped like 10 feet. I was not expecting that. But, you know, I tried, I opened the door. You know, I tried to debunk it, like, was it airflow?

Was it in? But nothing made the three pounds, as you would hear on that door. So that was, that was like my very first experience in the house on the very first night that I stayed here. Wow. My question is, who gardens at night, right? Yeah, I don't know. I guess maybe they don't know night or day because I've had, other people in the neighborhood tell me, say they see a guy gardening and he disappears into the house.

Really? Yeah. You know, and since, you know, they're here more watching the place, you know, mostly, they see stuff more than I do. They say they'll see shadows, you know, and people in the windows when they know nobody's here. Have you ever looked into the history of the house to maybe see, like, I don't know much about this stuff, but I see on like these television shows. Sometimes, like, the host will go down to the county records to pull the records of the house to see, you know, who lived in there. Have you ever tried piecing together a story as to, you know, why it's so active or has it just been like something where it's just like there's a lot of energy there because of where the house is located? I think we have a little combo of both. So for me, it's kind of hard. I have gotten some history. So I do have the deed that goes back to 1884. So the land was actually owned by the Pacific and St. Louis. railroad.

And then the first caretaker of the land actually committed suicide in Minneapolis. And then eventually it ended up going through different founders of the town that own parts of the land. And then they eventually parceled off the land. And eventually, so the most history that I have, I have a few people that own parcels of the land here. But the important one is like with one of the first families that I can trace that to the house, even though it was built in 1901, is a family that moved in in 1912, and that was

Fred and Minnie Eckers. And they were very well-known townspeople. They both died in the house. We do get Fred's name a lot. We have had a couple people actually have seen Fred in this house, so we know he's still here. But he was like one of the, he owned like his own hardware store, and then he was part, he was a very good businessman. He also did the firemen. He helped build one of the churches.

So a couple of their children had passed away, too, in the house. So we're not sure if his wife is here. I never get her name, but I do get EVPs of a woman. So I haven't quite figured out who it is. She's really crabby, though. That's all I know. So that's kind of the main history. And then I have a few people here there that have lived a couple years here,

a couple years there. I do know that another German woman has passed away here in the 70s. I get things on the spearbox saying that there's been a stabbing. It's like, oh, here stabs, stabbing, find the body. So I haven't found anything

out, but it's hard because you know, what happened on this land back in the 1700s, I have no idea. I probably would never have record of it, but the town itself was located very close right to the to Dakota Reservation line.

So there could have been a lot of stuff going on way before anything was kept history of that I'll probably never know about. And so it's really kind of an interesting history. I mean, we get here at the house a lot of the same names so. You know, a lot of times you see these paranormal investigating groups and stuff

and they go to a location, they stake it out for a night, two nights, three nights, and then they move along. And really in the grand scheme of time, you're just getting a little tiny snippet of that property. And the fact that you guys are, you bought the property, you heavily investigated continually and you allow other people to do the same thing. It seems like that's probably the best way to go about investigating a property for the long term, because you're just going to get the repetition, repetition of like names like you said and things like

that. It just really seems like that it's a good way to go about it if you can. Was this house because, did you say that it was advertised as hona? Is that what you said? No, no, it wasn't. I just had a feeling about it and then just kind of move forward with those different things. But like you were saying to having other people come in, validating, you know, some of the stuff. But I've also taken some of the stuff that they do and use it. It's like I'll come in and say, oh, so-and-so showed me the video of you guys touching that stuff. That was really cool. I really appreciate it. it. You know, it's kind of going on, and I got a little kid whispering back like they showed her, you know. So that was kind of a really good thing. So I'll take that. One time there was a medium upstairs that she said that the lady didn't like the way the furniture was set in the room.

And so I would come and say, hey, I'm sorry that I have the furniture, not the way you like it if you tell me how you want it. You know, so I'll use things like that. So I think it helps, too, with the investigating as well. And every, you know, I think we're all learning from each other, you know, which is, I think a really good thing. Yeah, I mean, teamwork makes a dream work, right? So it definitely makes sense. Now, you mentioned about, I think you said it was like an EVP or something that you

got where it said, find the body. Is that right? That was on a spirit box. It said, find the body. Yeah. So it wasn't, it wasn't an EVP. Is that like a one-time thing that happened? because, I mean, my ears perked up when you said that.

I'm like, find the body. Have you tried finding a body? Would you even know where to look? You know, I don't know. I mean, who knows? There could be anything buried under here. We have no idea. You know, I haven't found anything myself on history as far as like, you know, death, murders or anything.

But it doesn't mean it didn't happen, you know. So what's the goal here with the house? as far as you're concerned, is it just to investigate? Because I know sometimes people, their goal with paranormal investigation is to help spirits move on, to ease the property into just a subtle existence. Is that a goal of yours? Are you more like not really interested in trying to necessarily help anything as much as it is just to learn from the environment? And if that's the case, would you be upset if the environment went dead? I kind of use it as a learning experience. That's kind of when I bought the house. I feel like if they wanted to move on, they would ask for help.

I would get that more. You know, I feel like the ones that are here are happy. They're content to be here. Most of the investigators that come into are respectful, so that helps a lot, I think in the long run. So not really in it. A lot of people think it's to make the money, but basically what I bring in covers the bills and helps me restore the building

and keep it up and running. And, yeah, I probably would be really sad, you know, if, you know, if they moved on. Because I like learning from them and, and I feel kind of attached to them because I know a lot about their life now, you know, especially the Eckers. I find different things about them. So I kind of feel like they're kind of an extended family in a weird way. But, you know. Yeah. But, yeah, I think I would be really sad if they left.

Yeah, and I can understand that where you're coming from. Now, I know you've seen things. You've heard things. Things have happened in the house. So let's get into some of this stuff. You know, you mentioned about seeing shadows. Now, is it something that's a regular thing that you see in the house or other people do? Or is it more random?

I myself have not seen the shadows. So I have had another group. I think it's like not because their initials. And you'll find their videos on the Facebook page. They actually caught two shadow figures running through the kitchen. So it was like it was really quick, like one was taller than the other. So it was like, to me, it kind of looked maybe like a teenager followed by a smaller, maybe a 10-year-old kind of, like running really quick through the kitchen.

But I've had other people also say they've seen shadows running through the kitchen. And a lot of people will see figures on the stairwell. And my husband actually saw a young girl standing on the stairwell. He was bringing some stuff in and he just happened to look up and roll. but he just kind of saw her standing at the banister looking at him and then she disappeared real fast. Interesting. So let me ask you this. I wanted to ask you this earlier and I forgot.

You mentioned about how, you know, you had that experience when you were a kid and it kind of got you interested. And then as an adult, you're seeing people actually doing this, like going to places and investigating so you got into it. At what point did your husband come on board with this? Was he always just like you with the fascination of the paranormal or was it like something where you're like, I'm going to do this and you can come with me to. and then eventually he did it.

Well, he really doesn't, it's kind of, he's very sweet. He has really got an interest in the paranormal. He thinks it's cool, like when I show him stuff, like, you know, when I capture things.

But when we're, he just kind of comes along here to the house because there's lots of things that I need him to do. So, like, one thing you didn't count on when you own haunted houses that you have to do work around the house. You don't get to just show up and go home.

So he's busy doing that, but he will investigate with me in the evening. It's not his thing. He's just pretty much there just to be supportive. So I really appreciate that from him. That's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Now, with that said, does he ever get scared or anything with this kind of stuff?

And that actually is a double-side question because do you ever get scared? I mean, for me personally, I think if I pursued paranormal hunting and ghost hunting like that, I think I'd find myself in plenty of situations where my feet and fingers would be ice cold, you know? Yeah, I think for me, well, he doesn't get scared at all. He just, like, when we have stuff happening around here, he's just like, oh, is that? You know, and he's just all calm and cool about it, so that's good. But there's been times where I've been creeped out. usually it's like asylum

you and when we're there and I don't like to be by myself there's just been other holocaust I can't even think of the name but it was in Ohio and I'm drawing a blank on it but it's really famous and I had gone off by the servants quarters and there was just something about that

like I get all brave like I'm going to go off by myself and I don't get very far I'm like and I'm coming back so yeah I don't like to be by myself self per se. Yeah, I totally get it. And I mean, because I don't know. I mean, I think about that kind of stuff. I mean, I'm not a paranormal investigator, but I think, man, like, I don't know if I'd want to because I think I'd get scared a lot. And if I got scared a lot, I'd probably stop doing the show

because I don't want to hear these stories anymore. So, I mean, that's kind of like, you know, an underlying reason why I don't watch horror movies and stuff because I listen to people's stories on a weekly basis and I don't want to have images in my head from a scary movie I just watch freaking me out during the interview. It's just, it's not my thing. I think, I don't think the show would have lasted very long if I was into watching scary movies and stuff because I think ignorance is bliss, you know? So it's nice on my end. I get to call people say hi and hear your stories and when I'm done, it's like there's, there's a disconnect. there. I'm not, you know, already freaked out from some kind of creepy thing I've seen on TV or something.

I think what the scary part is, is like, so if we're getting like equipment and action, like, hey, the remod's going off for things like that, I feel like that's not as scary because I'm asking it to do that for the most part. So it's okay. I think it's more the, we've had some of the unexpected things. Like, you're not expecting to get your shirt tugged on or to get pushed or something come flying at you. Things like that, I think, is what kind of freaks me out a little bit more than when the equipment goes off because we're kind of weird when the equipment goes off. We usually run to it or clap or get all excited.

But, yeah, I've had one of my investigators thrown across the room before, so that's kind of that was really freaky. Listen, pause, okay? We're stopping everything at this point. I need you to tell me the story. What the heck happened there? Somebody got thrown across the room. I got to hear about it.

Yeah. So we were at Whispers Estates in Mitchell, Indiana, very well known pretty much for a lot of evilly bad type situations that the doctor there did some bad things to his patients, buried a lot in the backyard. So it's a lot of deaths in the house. So it's got a lot of negative energy to that house. So we were having stuff just from the get-go. Like you constantly felt like there was cobwebs on your face.

Like all of us were like constantly wiping our faces. And it was so irritating. And it was just this energy that was in the house. And there's a closet that's upstairs. It's called Virgil's closet. He was like the caretaker. And on the day of his retirement, he dropped dead right in front of that closet. And so ever since then, that house has had people can,

scratched in the closet, people getting locked in the closet when it's one of those locks that lock from the outside that you have to push up, slide over, and slide back down. So they can't figure out how people are even getting locked in. So just a lot of negative with the closet. In fact, the owners were like, we won't even come up here if those are open. So, of course, we had to sit in the closet. So while we were in there, I just got this like doom feeling in the closet and like there's a man's voice in my head that's like, get out of this closet. So I thought, well, I should probably get out of the closet. And it's like a big walk-in closet, so it's not like a tiny one. And Teresa was sitting in a chair

way in the back at the very end of the closet. And so I step out of the closet. I don't bother to sell or, you know, that's what I just heard because I was just thinking, oh, it's in my head, right? and then at the same time we had this spirit box running that said shut this door so we didn't do that either so i guess he didn't like that and next thing you know teresa comes flying out flew about four and a half feet out of that closet on the her hands and knees out of there because something pushed her like she was yeah it was crazy did she get scared in that moment where like she contemplated and not doing this kind of stuff anymore

or was it just like, ah, it's just part of the job? Um, well, no, she was, she was really upset, uh,

but the, with the holes, because she's never felt, you know, we tried to say, hey, did you tip out? She's like,

if I tipped on the chair, I would just fell right here. Didn't fly four feet across the room. With the chair. Um, she's like, somebody literally pushed me so hard and she was just so shaken. Um,

we ended up, you know, shutting the door locking, you know, basically yelling at the ghost, don't you ever do that. We did have to take her out of the house for a little while to calm her down. She did face her fear, and she went back out. She can go in the closet, but we went and stood outside the closet.

But she was pretty shicking up about that. But we always called Teresa our paranormal punching bag, because she is the one who always gets trapped or pushed or something. It's always with her. so it's just kind of her thing. Poor Teresa. Oh my gosh. Like I think if you took me out of the house, you'd also have to be changing my pants too

because I'd be done for the night. I mean, so I mean, one of the popular things that people talk about when it comes to, you know, the physical, let's just call it harm. I mean, being pushed and shoved like that. There's obviously, to me, at least the way I perceive it is there's some type of malicious intent, whether it's protective or it's just outright nastiness. do you guys ever come across the experiences of people getting like scratched and stuff? Because I know that's like a very common thing.

When people are talking about paranormal investigating and having bodily harm, a lot of times the idea of being scratched comes up. Yeah, I mean, I've been scratched too, and especially poor treat so it's always getting scratched. But sometimes I don't think it's always a malicious thing. I think sometimes it's an attention getter. Like if you're walking by and they're like, hey, you know, and it's kind of just a reach out and then they scratch you. But there are people that say just the three is more of an evil marking and well.

So I guess it's all in what you believe and what's your intention is. I guess if I was at, like, say, my house and I got scratched here, I would think it was more intention because we don't really have any history of anything negative energy being here. But if you were, say, at Whispers of State and you got scratched, which a lot of people do, and I think Teresa did actually, she did. Now I'm thinking about it, she did on our walkthrough. She got scratched. So she was already targeted for the day.

So I think that's more of a malicious intent when you're at places that have that type of energy. Yeah. You know, I always say, when it comes to this kind of stuff, hearing people's stories and stuff, what people have to understand is that everybody's an individual and they have their own perspectives on this stuff. if they have their own world views that they take into experiences, whether they're atheists, their theists, they're whatever. And so I really believe that what you believe and how the world operates and the other side of whatever we're on is, I think that dictates on how people view their experiences when it

comes to the paranormal. So, you know, that's why some people are irrationally scared of everything involving paranormal. And some people, you know, they're like, I want more of that, almost like a rush, you know. Yeah. And I think, I think Hollywood. done a lot for that though too. You know, you take some of the movies, you know, conjuring and things like that, which are super cool movies.

But in the real paranormal world, it's not quite like that. You know, I think a lot of people get in their mind, you know, because they'll tell me, oh, my gosh, how do you go with hunting? You know, how do you do that? It's so freaky. I'm like, well, really, you spend a lot of time in the darkness saying hello. Talking to yourself. Yeah, you just wait for it.

So I always say it's not like how Hollywood is, you know. Hollywood's Hollywood and reality is reality. Yeah, I totally get it. So the Boyd House, I know you mentioned that there were objects moving, footsteps, things like that. Now, we talked about the camera moving. Was there any other situations where it was clear, like that actually moved? And did somebody see it with their eyes or was it camera or what?

We have had people say that they'll hear things rolling around up. stairs, which, you know, we have balls and stuff for the kids. So how they just randomly just start moving on their own up there. So we've had, we have also like a bear that if you touch it, it plays music. And this is, you know, again, that's not a paranormal thing. That's just, you know, one of them kid toys you just buy at the store that if it gets touched, it'll start playing music. So that will just randomly go off on its own.

We've had some people had a red ball on the stairwell and it kept getting thrown down the stairs. like two or three times. And they tried to debunk it. Like, they actually put the ball on the stairs and ran up and down next to it because I have a split staircase, so you can go up one way or you can go up the other way. So, like, one comes to the kitchen, one comes to the living room. I don't know, maybe there could have been some servants quarters here back in the day. I'm not sure, but, yeah, they couldn't get the ball to come down the stairs.

They couldn't figure out how it was getting thrown down or anything if I've ever, don't think I've seen anything move. I mean, I've heard footsteps and pounding. I do know one morning at 7.30 we got woken off. I had a, and now this is kind of a funny story. We had stopped at the antique shop, and I bought this picture, and I put it up in the bedroom. And when I stay here, I sleep in the bedroom that nobody, I know that Spirit doesn't like anybody in there. She's really crabby.

But I put the picture up, and I got home, and I listened to the EBPs, because I said, I hope you like the pitcher, and she said, I don't like it. But that morning, we heard it was like 7.30. It was so loud. We heard like three knocks, like, coming from that wall. It's like almost like she wanted it off or something. And it just, you know, both of me as well, just like jolted up. Like, oh, whoa, what's going on?

You know? And I'm like, did you just hear that? He's like, yeah. So now that I heard that, I'm like, I don't think she likes the picture. Wow. And I was going to ask you about knocking and stuff. Is that something that's common in the house? Because I know you mentioned that. And it's like, to me, when I hear the idea of knocking, is it something that is something that is something that is almost like, you know, rhythmic or something like that's intentional. It's intentional because it's always three. So like sometimes if you just hear one, you could be like, well, you know, that could be a pipe. That could be you could, you can put that off onto anything cold weather. But when you get three boom, boom, boom. You know, to me, that's a, that's an intentional, hey, I want you to know I'm here. So when you hear the three, boom, boom, boom, and you hear the three scratches and you mentioned about how some people say that's more, you know, people believe that that could be something

more evil. Do you ever look into, or, you know, do you have any information to share as far as like what it comes to the number three and the paranormal, why people would be so drawn to the idea that, you know, to like recognize three? I mean, is this something that just happens a lot? and people started connecting dots, or is there something more informative behind it that that's why people, you know, look at the number three as something more obvious to look into? Well, I know there's some sort of superstitious thing about it. I know they say a lot of,

like, things come in threes, you know, and I don't know what the evil superstition behind that is. I just kind of feel like not necessarily evil on the three knockings. I think that's just their way of making sure that you, you know, know, it's one, two, three. Most people ask for three knocks anyway. But also maybe they run on energy after two or three or four, you know. You know, because everything that they do takes a lot of energy. And if they don't have enough energy, they can't do things. They can't manifest.

They can't, you know, move stuff. Right. So, I mean, when it comes to, like, the energy and stuff, I mean, there are some things where, you know, like a ball rolls down the stairs. I imagine would take less energy maybe than reaching out and throwing somebody, you know, for feet like Teresa. Do you ever wonder where, like what, what kind of makes the differences in energy? I mean, it's just literally like the night of the year kind of thing.

They get more energy on certain nights. Or is there something that is going on that allows them to draw more energy? Well, I think they get a lot of their energies where they can get it from electronics, but a lot of times they can get it from you too because we're all made out of electrical, mindetic energy. And I think, you know,

certain groups or certain people who get together create some sort of different type energy. That's why you may find, you know, like I even find with my groups,

if I don't have a certain person, it might not be as active that day. But I think it also depends on the spirits, too, if they don't really, you know, we don't control them.

They're their own entity. So if they don't feel like, I wouldn't even say performing, but if they don't feel like talking to you, they're not going to. You know, so it could also be your team too if you're an aggressive type team where you're like, I said, show yourself.

If I was a ghost, I'd be like, I really don't want to hang out with you. So I think it just does the energy that, how people do it and how they investigate, maybe their techniques, you know, I think there's a lot of variance on the energy and what you bring to the team. and, you know, if it's storming out, they say there's another one where the lightning and the a-eons and everything in the air help, you know, create more energy too. So, yeah, there's just a lot different factors, I think. So you bring that up about the angry investigator. And I wonder about that sometimes, like, how would a, you know, spirit or something react to that for them to do that? Do you think that there is a better way to investigate than other ways? Or you think they all

have merit to themselves where, you know, it all depends on what you're looking to get out of the situation, because you do. You see some paranormal investigators, like, they kind of have an angry attitude when they do investigating to kind of, and I guess the idea behind that is to rile the spirit up to, for them to be like, all right, I'll show you something. But do you think that's more effective or less effective than other ways? Oh, I think, I think every group has there, each way that they like to investigate for, and that may work for them, but for us, we kind of found mainly doing a lot through more respect. A lot of times, you know, it's just a lot of, you know, we're very respectful about the questions we ask.

A lot of times we know how they died, so nobody really wants to talk about your death. So we try to avoid that kind of question. So I just, I kind of feel like we, I mean, we have done some things where we're like, you know, we weren't super aggressive, but then we kind of didn't get anything. Where we were, I guess, we would say, more demanding. So I think if you're more that way,

like, you know, do this or do that, kind of attitude, I don't think they like that. I guess we kind of like to treat it as if they were in the room with us, and it would be the same way that I would treat you in person. You know, how I would treat a live person is the same way we're going to treat someone who's deceased as well. And I think we get a lot of, of respect with that

and we also try to relate. So like if it's kids we actually get down there and we we actually play with the toys and we read books and we sing and we dance and you know if it's adults we try to figure out what you know what were they into

you know like I would say here like I know the records were really known for their baloney and stuff and so like sometimes I'll bring them baloney and say I know it's not like you're baloney you know that kind of stuff You know, so just a lot of respectful things. You know, if you, you know, like I said, when you're going to places, just one time,

you don't really have that opportunity to, if you hear that they want something to bring, bring them gifts per se. So I do that a lot here at the Boyd House. But I was able to do that at Beliska because we had gotten, when the little boy said that he loved bacon. And I said, okay, well, if I ever come back, I'll bring you. bacon when we did make a return visit like four years later and I had bought just the bacon jerky or whatever so I brought that and I put it in the kitchen I put it in a pan that attached to something

that's kind of like a rem pod so if the pan gets touched it alarms and uh so I put the bacon in there and I said hey I don't know if you remember but you told me I'll bring you bacon you know if I ever came back so here's your bacon and I'm kidding within like 10 minutes that thing started alarm and it was crazy wow Well, apparently he remembered. I guess. Well, who wouldn't come down for bacon regardless? Oh, yeah.

I mean, you know. I mean, I'm all about that action. So, so winding things down here, I want to ask you this, whether it's the Boyd House or something else, is there an experience that you're hunting for? Like, is there a holy grail experience in your mind that you're like, man, if I could, if I could approve that or see that or experience that, I'll die a half. lady. I would like to see a full-on apparition because I've never actually seen one, you know, where people like look at it and it's transparent, but like it's like actually looking at a person. I would like to see something like that because I've seen like shadows go by in other locations, but I've never seen a full-on, as you say, ghostly apparition. And that's like the one thing I would

love to just be sometime in my career. Just because I think, to me that'd be like the ultimate. And I always say, I don't know how I'd react. I always tell my team, like, I don't know if I'd freak out. I don't know if I'd be like, oh, my God, this is super cool. I said it because it's going to happen in a blink, an eye. So I'm like, I don't know what I'd do, but I would love to just have that experience. You know, I like hearing you say that you don't know how you'd react, because I think that's true for so many people. And when you talk to people about this kind of stuff, sometimes people can get a little bit of an ego, like, oh, I would do this and that, and it's like, I don't know.

Like, I think if you're being honest with yourself, you really don't know how you're going to react to something until it actually happens to you. And that's why I really try to just be very graceful with people's experiences and stuff when it comes to how they react to it because everybody's different and you don't know how you're going to react to something until that actually happens to you. And then all of a sudden you're faced with it. And some people, they're terrified. And some people are like, oh, that was actually pretty cool, you know.

Right, right. So before we get out of here, though, I want to give you another chance, let people know where they can find your group, the Boyd House, all that stuff. And maybe there's people here that are listening that would really like to investigate and how do they get a hold of you? Yeah, what you can do is if you can hit us up on Facebook under the Boyd House or St. Croix Paranormal, you can private message us that way. Otherwise, our email for Boyd House is Boyd House 217 at Yahoo.com.

or you can visit our paranormal website, St. Croix, which is S-T-C-R-O-I-X, Paranormal.com, and that'll give you a link to us as well. And, yeah, we can kind of go from there as far as getting any private overnight set up for you. Do you accept pretty much anybody, or is there like an interview process for you on your end? Nope, nope.

What we do is it's 175 a night for up to eight people, and you get the house from 3 p.m. until noon the next day. I'm completely private. nobody else is here. You have the whole house to yourself. So there are some rules in a waiver form you need to sign, but other than that, you're on your own. That sounds like a golden ticket to me. Thanks for being here. Yeah, thanks for having me, Tony. It was great. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where you share the show or how you share the show. But if you enjoyed it, please share the show with your friends. That's the best thing you could do to help the show grow. It's just to share it around with people that you know. And until next week, friends, stay safe. Take care.

And remember, the truth will set you free, but first they'll piss you off. Bye.