The Confessionals - 299: The Spider Crawl

Episode Date: December 29, 2020

In Episode 299: The Spider Crawl, we are joined by Cheyanne and Joanna. Cheyanne shares some significant paranormal experiences that both she and her family members have been through throughout her life. These experiences range from UFOs, to ghosts, to the “Black Nemesis.” Following Cheyanne's stories, her brother's fiancée Joanna joins us to describe her bigfoot experience in Washington state. While picking mushrooms, she saw a large creature that walked away from her in a bizarre manner - by dropping down to all fours and "spider walking," all while keeping its torso turned towards her! To Joanna, the creature did not seem like it was of this world, leaving her very confused by what she saw. Interesting to note is that Joanna’s bigfoot encounter is eerily similar to that of the experience of Wes Germer from 'Sasquatch Chronicles'. BECOME A MEMBER AND GET ADDITIONAL SHOWS: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSponsors:GET GREEN CHEF: greenchef.com/tony80GET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: https://simplisafe.com/confessionalsGet Emergency Food Supplies: http://www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: https://bit.ly/2FbOhN5Connect With Us:Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter Social Media:Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaI Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkelShow Intro: Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3Cheyanne's Music: https://soundcloud.com/cheyanne-reese-howe

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the bed it's bush and i touch air couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because i know i'm seeing a monster welcome to the show everybody you're listening to the confessionals i am your it's Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionals at the Confessionalspodcast.com. That's the Confessionals at the Confessionalspodcast.com. Or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com. Hit the contact section and you can reach me that way as well. Either it works for me, just get a hold of me. If you want to hear more shows every week on Thursdays, we release a bonus show to the members on the website. So if you want to hear twice the Confessionals every week,

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you want to make sure that you have everything stocked up that you need in case of an emergency in your house. Right now is the time to start doing that. So go to prepare with the confessionals.com and start preparing today. Now this week we have Cheyenne and Joanna coming on the show. Cheyenne is actually the future sister-in-law of Joanna, and they both have crazy experiences. Separate but crazy. We're going to start off with Cheyenne, who is actually an accomplished musician. We're going to play some of her music so you guys can hear how cool she is on the music front.

And then we're going to get into her paranormal experiences and her Bigfoot encounter, which she called the Black Nemesis. We're going to talk all about that stuff. And then we're going to bring on Joanna, and Joanna is going to talk about her Bigfoot experience. Well, I'll call it a Bigfoot, but she came on very hesitant as to what to call it. But here's the crazy thing. What she saw this Bigfoot do. Other people have said they've seen done as well, including West German from Sasquatch Chronicles,

when he talks about seeing these Bigfoot and one dropped down into all four looking like a spider as it walked. Like they actually kind of had this spider walk. and Joanna described the same exact thing, and her experience was only 25 miles away from West Ghermer's Bigfoot encounter. It's crazy how close these two experiences were together and what they saw were so similar. And here's the kicker. Joanna never heard of Sasquatch Chronicles, never heard of West Ghermer until this recording. So let's get to the two ladies right now. All right, today we got Cheyenne on the show.

Cheyenne, how you doing? I'm doing good, Tony. how are you doing? I'm doing good. So before we get going here, literally in the last 10 seconds before I hit record here and we were just silent, I looked at your email and I saw your Twitter handle, which is hell of stressed. And I just want to ask you, how'd you come up with that? Because my Twitter handle is Tony Merkel, my Instagram, Tony Merkel, but your Instagram is hell of stressed. Why? Well, I made that Instagram handle. I think it was back in like 2014. And that, well, I made it for a meme account handle.

I like memes. And at that point in my life, I was particularly hell of stressed 24 hours a day, seven days a week. I had moved to Nashville on my own. I had no family or friends there, and I moved there to pursue music. and I had gotten a job to support myself in a kitchen. And I started as like the run and the dishwasher making about $10 an hour.

So keeping that going and music and not knowing anybody, I was like I said, hella stressed 24 hours a day, seven days a week. So that's where that came from. Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, I knew there had to be a story behind it. So I had to ask. Now, since you've done. said that, do you have any recorded

music that I could hear at some point? Yes, actually, I do. I have a SoundCloud. It's Cheyenne Reese Howe. And I did end up recording some music

in Nashville, and it was fully produced and in a studio. And I like it. I'm proud of it. It's definitely it took a lot of hard work and times. But I'm happy with it, which is as someone who works on music and drawing and art, like for someone to say I'm happy with

what they created. Like, that's, I'll just say it doesn't happen a lot, but I'm happy with the songs that are up there. That's really cool. So I'm looking at your SoundCloud right now, Cactus Mix 2, all for love. So this is some of your stuff, huh? Yeah. Well, I'll just tell people, the Cactus Mix 2 has almost 5,000 plays. That's not too shabby.

I actually did not know that until this moment. So that's amazing. Yeah, yeah. Can I play it? Sure. All right. I'm going to play it right now. Okay. Can you actually, I request, though, can you play the All for Love one, the Master? Because that is like my pride and joy. That's what I'm going to do then. Here we go. All right. This is All for Love. the mastered version. Let's go. That's, wow, that's impressive. Thank you. Listen, I'm not even lying to you.

This song is fantastic. I went... Thank you. I went live on Instagram and let people hear it while we were listening to it. Oh, my God. I'm telling you this was a fantastic song. I love country music. I know people don't believe me because of the music I play for outroes.

I love all music. But, you know, I'm a truck driver. So I enjoy country music as well, especially when you're driving around the road. I'm telling you that is a fantastic song. I'm incredibly impressed with it. And it's definitely going to, but with your permission, it's definitely going to be the outro song for this episode when we put it up because fantastic. Oh, my God.

I'm going to cry. Thank you. That's amazing. Thank you. I'm telling you. Blown away. I just want to listen to it like 10 more times right now. It's fantastic. So congratulations on that particular song.

Fantastic. Thank you. It should definitely be on the radio. So. Thank you. I know we're here to talk about other stuff, but I want to ask you, what was the process like for you in Nashville? So you're hell of stress 24-7.

Yes. You're chasing music. You're fantastic. From the way you described the situation, it sounds like you're not doing music anymore, right? Well, I am. I did. I spent about seven years there, and then I ended up turning 30, and then I started kind of questioning things because it is highly competitive there. It was weird. I definitely, I made some great connections. I made some great moves. and was blessed with the people that I meant, but it was still, I just kind of came to a point where I felt like I had to decide between staying and pursuing it like hardcore and spending more time away from my family and, excuse me, and deciding whether it was time to just kind of like put family first and come back and be, and, and, I have to. that support and I mean I missed my family I was there I was away from that for seven years so I honestly

that was kind of the the catalyst for me leaving Nashville but yeah and I can understand that for sure I mean it takes a lot of work so my dad went to Nashville and recorded music back in the 90s and really yeah yeah it was gospel music but he made several trips down there he recorded singles he won new male vocals of the year of the gospel really And he was also nominated for a single of the year. But, you know, he never got signed by anybody. You know, it's an image driven industry. And, you know, back then he was, you know, not fitting the image. And so it didn't matter how good he could belt it. He didn't have the image that they were looking to sign. So it is what it is. I mean, it's a hard thing to make. I mean, there's a lot of people out there with a lot of talent. And just because you have talent doesn't mean that it's going to happen for you, especially overnight. Not everybody can be Justin Bieber have a channel drumming on YouTube at 12 years old to become a, you know, a sensation by a time he's 13. But listen, I'm always very impressed with people who travel to pursue their dreams

when it comes to creating, whether it's, you know, art or music or things like that, acting, people who are that driven. I just absolutely love it. And yeah, congratulations on that. song and hopefully, hopefully this isn't the end of the road for you because I would love to hear you on the radio one day. Thank you. Honestly, like that, that really means a lot to me and I didn't expect to have this conversation with you tonight about this, but like it definitely it's something that from my earliest memories, music has always meant a lot to me. And it's been

very consistent in my life. I mean, I'm 33 now and I was just writing music. last night. So it, and sometimes it's validated, sometimes it's not. And I am still pursuing it. I still play out when I can. Obviously not with COVID. But I'm still writing and I still have those connections in Nashville. So I'll like occasionally send songs back to certain people.

And, but like I don't think about it a lot because I life gets in the way and I have a job and I have family here now and friends and but moments like this remind me how much I love it and my passion for it and I really appreciate it. I really appreciate those words from you and for playing myself on. Thank you very much. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And honestly, if there's ever a time that you, you know, come out with another single and you want to play it and stuff,

We'll throw it on the show for the outro music and stuff and, you know, get plays that way and we'll direct people your direction. I mean, anything I can do to help you. I'm 100% going to support you on that. So let's move on because we just burned about 13 minutes of talking music. People want to hear about your stories. And so let's start out with the earliest one you can remember. And we're going to work through this story together. It's when you were 14 and you saw a UFO with multicolored lights.

What happened? Yes, and thank you again. So I'll start out by saying from the time that I could remember, I have always had a crippling fear of aliens and anything that had to do with that subject. I don't know why. I mean, I've thought about it. And I know, like, in the 90s, there was a lot of movies. And, like, it was kind of in the culture for, like, scary alien abduction.

Like, obviously, the movie Independence Day and that, that, like, fire in the sky movie and the X-Files. So I've thought about that. Like, maybe I just kind of was influenced by those things. subconsciously because it was definitely, I feel like that was just a big thing in the 90s. But I just always remember being like really afraid of aliens. I mean, that was like my biggest fear when I was little. And so, but I never like saw anything before this point. I never had any experiences, obviously that I know of.

I'm not claiming to have had any abduction experiences. I can't remember anything like that. But when I was about 14 years old, I was in my room. And in my room, they're on the wall facing south. I had a huge window. And you could see the sky clearly. I grew up in a very small town, dairy town, so there wasn't a lot of lights around or buildings or anything like that.

Like you could clearly see out the window to the sky. There was a tree, but it was not like blocking my view to the sky. So I remember the, I don't remember anything else about this night, but I remember just I was in my room, like, whatever, like. cleaning or write music maybe or whatever, was not thinking about anything. I wasn't afraid. I wasn't in, like, thinking about aliens, nothing. But I just remember being in my room and something told me to look out the window. And I looked out my window. And it was, I'm assuming it was around like seven, eight at night because it was like completely dark outside, but,

um, like I don't, I don't know what time today it was, but it was just, it was dark outside. Um, and there, there was a craft. I, uh, it was very large oval shaped. And there was a row of lights around the craft. And it was like just super, it almost looked like cartoony, the lights. And the lights were like flashing

all in like a row around the craft. And it was like bright orange, green, yellow. It almost looked like a cartoon. Like not really, but just the

brightness of the lights and like the it um it was just it was bizarre um and i wasn't afraid when i saw it uh as most of my experiences that i've subsequently had after that i wasn't scared i was just looking at it like my brain was like trying to figure out what i was looking at um and like i said it was like it was large It was right outside my window. It was not like super far away. And kind of like, well, I couldn't really, I don't know. I just saw like the outline of the shape of it and the lights.

Like obviously the lights were what stood out to me. But and then, oddly enough, and I just recently talked to my mom about this because I knew I was going to come on the show when I was trying to piece together what happened at night. And I know, because since I was little, I've talked to my mom about, like, UFOs and aliens and all that stuff. And my fear of them. And I asked her, I was like, that night, do you remember me coming down and telling you or running to you scared or anything like that? Like, do you have any memory of that? And she said no.

And I don't remember anything after that. And to me, that's weird because I feel like with my fear of aliens, I just find it bizarre that I have no recollection of what happened once I saw that. All I remember that night is looking at my window and seeing whatever I saw. And so, I, again, I'm not saying anything. I'm not saying I experienced anything else beyond that. But what I will say is I don't remember anything after that. And I can also say I never saw that again.

That was the one and only time that happened. And that was that. Yeah. You know, it's interesting because a lot of times people will say, little things that are very similar to other people's experiences like something told me to look out the window or something told me to look this direction. And I don't know what it is. I mean, I don't know if it's something as simple as a sixth sense that we have that kind of kicks in at times or if there's literally something telling you to look at it. And it's kind of trippy either

way you think about it. What do you think about that kind of situation? Do you think that you were you were literally just, like some kind of sense just kicked in that you knew that you kind of needed to look a certain direction? To be honest with you, I just think it was my brain being like used to that environment and what was in that environment. And like, I think people's brains are so much more complex. Obviously, science points to that. Like, our brains are so much more complex than we understand yet.

And I think there was just something as simple as like, something is different in the environment and then your brain kind of pointing you in that direction like look over there that's where the different thing is like that's where the weird thing is um but i do also i i believe that we have intuition and things like that but um but i don't know and i will only speak to my own experience um but as far as that i i i i I think it was just like my brain was like something weird is over there. Look over there. Like something is there that's not usually there. Yeah. It just, it's really interesting when people recall just simple,

just something simple as you saw an unidentified flying object in the sky. And what you described being oval with lights around it, it has that traditional UFO feel to it. Yes. And I know you, it seems like you're very garter. to exaggerate anything that you experience. And I understand that. And that's good. That's, that's, that's actually a really good thing. On my end, it's kind of my job to speculate and just

wonder out loud. And so what you're saying with not remembering things, I'm sure you know that that's a very common thing with the abduction scenario. Now, I'm not saying you were abducted, but I'm just saying it's a common thing. But what also is a common thing is, is people saying that they saw some UFO in a group of people. They saw it. It would left and nobody talked about it. They can remember what happened. They all were, you know, driving in the car and they just left and they went and did their thing.

But it's a very common thing that they just don't talk about it. And so it seems like whatever these things are has the, has the ability to play with our minds in a sense. to me, that's what I think. Because whether you were abducted or whatever, it did something that, you know, had an effect on your mind in a way that you don't remember things, I kind of put that in the same category as people who saw a UFO, a very dramatic UFO together. And after it left, they just continued on their merry way and didn't talk about it. Like, that's not normal, you know?

Yeah. I just feel like these. things, whatever they are. And I don't think they're all the same thing, but I think that they can have just something about them that is just different, you know? Yeah. And I kind of would agree with that because I, and even in that experience, like my own experience there, I will say, normally, I mean, I won't like, like you say, I'm hesitant to like jump to conclusions, but I know that the first thing I would have normally done would have been to run to my mom or my brothers or my dad

and be like, oh my gosh, I can't believe this just happened. And so I do think that part is super weird. It's weird that no one else remembers me doing that and I don't remember doing that. So, yes. And I, yeah, I think it's weird that I have like hazy memory around that. And like I said, I just, I know myself even to this day. Like from when I was little to right now, if something weird happened, I'm not going to be like, oh, it was this.

Like, it was an alien or it was whatever. But I can assure you, I would tell people about it and I'd be excited about it. and I'd want to hear their opinions about it. So I do think that's weird that I can't. I have no memory. And like I said, no one else in my family has a memory of me being like, oh my gosh,

I just saw this UFO out on my window. Like, that's weird to me. It is weird. It is weird. But these situations are weird. It's not a normal situation. And, you know,

even though UFOs are as prevalent as they are, the more you talk to people, it's not like every day you see one. And it's not like the majority of people see UFOs. I don't think the majority of people do see UFOs. I think if you're looking for them, you have a strong chance to see one. But most people aren't looking for them. And on top of it, we can't see our stars half the time in this country or in the world. You know, so light pollution is a very real thing.

And I think that UFOs can definitely use that to their advantage. And not to mention that these things have the technology. they have. I mean, shoot, they could just cloak if they wanted to. Yeah, exactly. But let's move on to the, uh, the black nemesis. What the heck is the black. I mean, I think I might, I might name this episode, the black nemesis. That's crazy name. Yeah. Um, well, I just want to say one more thing on that other, um, topic before we move on, is that I was able to like I

my mom had told me like 10 years down the road when we were talking about that and I had asked her like as an adult like do you remember me talking about this with you and again I just asked her again recently like are you sure you don't remember anything about this incident but she had also told me at one point that

she had found a website, and I just recently tried looking for it because I knew I was going to be on the show talking to. I tried to find it. I could not. But I did find a website where it had all of the UFOs reports for Western New York. And I'm assuming they have them in every state, maybe every county, I don't know. but I was able to see that from around like that age that I was at at that time, there were like multiple. And I'm talking like in that like at least like 20 or 30 of them that people had reported

the same kind of like seeing the same kind of craft in that area. So you weren't the only one. I was not. And so obviously that was validating as well. Do you think you needed that validation? No, but it was definitely interesting. Yeah, I wonder sometimes if people, because I legitimately asked you that curious, because, you know, I wonder sometimes if having that validation that other people saw, what this person is claiming this they saw,

that truly helps them psychologically process the information or if it's just kind of like an added bonus of, okay, good, other people saw it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because some people see things very dramatic. And if they have that validation that other people saw it too, I imagine that has a big part of their psyche and, you know, staying sane. Yes.

I definitely would agree with that. And I think that's like pretty, well, I think that's why people like your show too, is because people call, like someone who maybe even hasn't looked into this stuff, experiences something totally weird and then people call your show and then they have that same experience as the person listening and it's like oh my gosh like i there's definitely something validating about it it makes you feel like uh because i'm i have had those doubts i've had the doubts of like is this really what happened or like did my like brain just like pieced together like this or whatever, but to hear someone else say, um, I have

especially if you didn't tell them first, you just hear someone randomly like explaining the same exact thing that you've been through. Um, it's definitely, it definitely helps. Like, you feel less alone. You feel like, yeah, you feel validated. So, uh, with your permission, let's talk about Black Nemesis because this... Okay. I mean, I can't be the only one that thinks that name is so cool. Yeah. I mean, we...

I haven't like... Honestly, I have not told a lot of people this one. And again, it's not my... This happened to my neighbors who live directly next door, but they were on our property. So, but we... We joke about it a lot. I mean, my family definitely were, we have like, I guess you would call it like dark humor, but we joke about the black nemesis like all the time still.

But, and I don't remember who came up with that name, but I wish I did so I could give them credit. But, yeah. So what was it, though? Well, I don't know. but I can tell, I'll tell the story and maybe you can tell me what you think. I will say some people in my family will, they think it's probably a Sasquatch. I would, okay, I say some people in my family, but I also, I would lean toward that as well. but I'll get into the story.

So this, again, this happened to my neighbors, Jake and Morgan. They lived directly next door to us. But we were so close. They ended up being like our, like, brother and sisters. They would just, like, come on our property. We don't go on theirs, like, growing up. If they wanted to, because we had like woods on our property and, you know, we had trails out there, like, we would dirt bike, hike, all that stuff. So, um, so one day, um, Jake and Morgan were out there.

Um, and I think that they were probably around like, um, probably around like, like 10 and 11 or, around that age, but they said that they were back there just kind of goofing around, like, hiking, whatever. And this creature was, like, they were on the path. So there was, back behind her house, like, farmers used to rent out

our property to grow, like, to farm the lamb. Sometimes there be corn, cabbage, whatever. But there was like trails around the fields, like where the tractors would go and the farm vehicles. And they were on one of those trails. And they said that they were walking and this creature just like rose out of the mud. And it was like covered in like dirt. in mud and like it stunk really bad and they said that they just lost their minds like they just

kind of lost it and turned around and ran home and for them to like make it from our property to their place it was probably like 15 20 minute walk um so yeah they just this thing like crawled out of the mud um and scared the crap out of them basically and they just ran and got out of there they told their parents they told us they were like super upset about it and we like like i said we all like my family had like crazy humor they were crazy humor like all we were all the time like just laughing and joking around goof and off like but they were like super super bothered by this and really upset. And again, like we, we've, uh, I just talked to Jake, um, a couple weeks ago.

Like, we, we just, we have a long history and we've been joking around since we're little, but this is not a joke. Like they, to this day, like, we'll still bring this up and like, yeah, we, we do joke about it. Like, but at the time, we knew like something happened. They don't know what happened, but like they were extremely bothered by it and upset by it. But, um, but I can say like with that, like we, we were back there all the time.

And like we didn't, me and my brothers, like, we didn't stop going back out there. We didn't stop like dirt biking or hiking or whatever out there. Like, we still went out there all the time. Like, never saw anything. But, um, but I don't know. know. So, and then, like I said, one of us after that story, like, nicknamed it the black nemesis because it was like dark and covered in mud and basically just like a monster. So, but that, yeah, that's that's that. And like I said, it wasn't, I didn't go through that. So that's, that's really all

I can tell you about that one. But, well, I find it really interesting. And, uh, Now, they ran home, but did they ever relay that they felt like this was going to, this was like physically intimidating to them where if they didn't run home, this is going to, you know, go after them? Um, yeah. I mean, they didn't say that it like chased them or anything like that. I think and kind of along the lines of what we were talking about before, I now knowing about like Sasquatches and that kind of thing. I think. they do like the bluff thing a lot and they just like show off their physical presence. And a lot of times I think that's enough to get their point across. And I personally think it was something like that because they didn't, I think if something like that wanted to chase them and them being like 10 and 11 years old, that would have been really bad. So, and they never said it chased them, nothing.

like that. So I, I personally think it was just a like this thing saw them and wanted to maybe intimidate them or they just kind of came up upon it and it was just like minding its own business and was like, I'm going to get out of here. But it was so scary that it just like freaked them out. So I don't know. Well, it's interesting at least. And the black nexus. I mean, that's just a yeah. I can't get past that name. That's such a great. Yeah. Because, you know, people who have Sasquatch encounters, depending on where you're at in the country, you're going to have oral tradition of calling it a certain name. Yeah.

I just, it would be really cool if this is something that happened a lot in your area and the name of the black nemesis took off and just that was like the local lore. People talk about the black nemesis. That would be just so, that would be worth making a documentary about, worth making a movie out of because just the name itself is just so great. Yeah. So that happened to when you were about 17 or 18. Yeah, yeah.

And they're a little bit younger than me. So, yeah. And so now let's move on to age 23 and your shadow man encounter. Yeah. So for me, this is like the hot tamale, like the kudagra of my paranormal experiences. And this is kind of down the low. line, what got me like super into the paranormal and kind of what got me listening to your podcast actually is just like that search of like trying to figure out what the heck it was

that I saw. And so I guess I will just get into this. So my at the time, I, it was around, it was sometime in November. I know that, because it was at like a state park and it was still open, but it was like, it was really cold. And it, I remember that it got dark really early. But I remember that day my brothers had taken me hiking because I had just recently gone through a breakup. and they were trying to cheer me up. And I was just like super down in the dumps about it. And we just figured like, let's get out of here.

Let's go hiking and be out in nature. And so we did that. And I don't know. I guess I can say where it was. It was on Letchworth State Park, which are you familiar with that? because I feel like that's not too far from where you are. No, I'm not. I'm not at all.

Okay. Yeah. There's like a creek there and lots of woods and a lot of trails. But so we hiked there all day. It was awesome and definitely got my mind off things. And the sun started to go down. And they wanted to go on another hike. And I was just not feeling it.

I was cold. I was tired. I was getting dark. So they were like, okay, we're just going to go like over, do this really quick trail. That was like kind of by where the car was parked. So I was like, I'll wait in the car. And you guys go do that. So that's what they did.

And again, the sun was going down and it was getting dark. And I was sitting in the car waiting for them. And again, so it was like late November. So nobody else was there. We were the only ones in the park. Parking lot was empty. And we were parked like in like right next to the woods. Like our car was like right next to the trailhead.

So I was sitting in the car waiting for them. I remember my phone had died, so I was bored, and I had started reading the car manual because I was just like, I was probably so used to having a phone or looking at something at that point that I was just like, I got to look at something. So I was like reading the car manual.

And again, like before, something told me to look up, Um, and about, like, probably like, five to ten feet from the car along the tree line, I looked up and there was this, like, shadow of a person, and it was looking at me. And it's, that sounds weird because it didn't have a face, but it was like, humanoid enough that you could tell, like, I could tell. I could just instinctually tell it was looking at me. And again, just like with the prior experience I had, I wasn't afraid.

It was more of like, what am I looking at here? Like my brain was trying to process what I was looking at. And again, it was like, it was just this, like, it was a shadow, but in the shape of a human being. But the way that it moved was like it, like, against, like, physics. It had, like, no... When a person moves, I feel like you can see that they have, like, a certain... There's like a weight to them in this head. It was like a, I don't even know how to explain it.

It just, it was weightless, but it was like super fast and like, I don't know. It was just, and it was so black. It was like the darkest black I have ever seen in my life and have yet to see again. and like it was I just like I said it was looking at me I sensed it was looking at me and

and I was like looking back at it and again just my brain was like trying to figure out like what the heck am I looking at I what is this and then my brothers were just like coming over the trailhead and I was like as soon as they got up to me because then

it just as soon as they came in the picture like it just like fluttered away like it was gone and I was like please for the love of God like tell me you guys tell me you saw that again like I don't want to be the only one that sees this like

and they they were like it what the heck was that and I was like, I don't know. And so we looked around, couldn't find anything. And then, so we're like, let's get out of here because we were all feeling like creeped out at that point. And they said when we were leaving the park, they saw something like crouched on a rock, like looking at us. I didn't see that, so I can't, like, I can't speak to that, but, um, it again, just like the whole experience, looking back was like, oh my God, that, that was creepy. Um, but, um, so, and I, I didn't

actually know until years later, um, I had a job that kind of, I could just, like, sit and be on my computer all day. And I remember going back to that experience and I just Googled, like, I don't even remember what I Googled. But I ended up finding stuff about shadow people. And I was like, oh, that seems to be like exactly what I experienced. And again, I felt validated. I was like, okay, well, at least this is like a thing that happens. But the one thing with that, I will say is I didn't. A lot of people that had like shadow men experiences seem to like have that experience again and again. And I did not.

That was like the one and only time that I have ever seen anything like that. And again, in the moment I wasn't like super creeped out by it. I was just like, what is this? But then looking back, I was like, that was weird. That was creepy. And so I am now grateful that never happened to me again. But I, like I said, when I was reading about it, it seems that, like people who experienced that one time then experienced it a lot. So I was definitely happy about that.

But I didn't even know. I didn't know what a shadow person was until like a while after that. So and like Googling it basically. So you're saying if I heard you right, it sounds like you said that this thing was up in the trees. It was definitely, no, it was in the trees, but it was like standing on the ground. Like almost it was like holding the tree and like looking to the side. And like, like, it was like standing behind the tree, but looking out at me. Okay.

My brain translated that into, you looked at the tree tops and there is something standing at the tree in the tree tops. I'm like, no. That didn't freak you out? That definitely would have freaked me out. Yeah. Well, let me ask you. I mean, if you did see it again, do you think you'd be freaked out the second time around

now that you kind of educate yourself a little bit? Oh, yes, 100%. because then I'd be like, okay, why are you, like, following me? But just seeing this one time, I kind of attributed it to, like, oh, maybe something happened in this area. Like, maybe it was just the area that we were at. And, like, that's why it was there. But, oh, yeah, 100% if, sorry, I just got a text from my boss. if I saw that again now, yes, I'd be like, oh my gosh, like this is weird.

I don't like this. But yeah. And then like I said, my brothers said they saw something like crouching, which is creepy in itself. But I didn't see that. Let me ask you about this more recent experience. Now, you said that I think you said your grandfather passed away. this house. Yes. And it's also the house that had the Bigfoot experience. Yeah. Are you talking about the Bigfoot experience where you were younger or the one with your brother's fiance? No. So this is the

one, the recent one with my brother's fiance. So while I was loving in Nashville, my parents moved to Oregon and my older brother moved to Oregon. And they have a house. And they have a house. I don't, my mom was like, don't tell him where we live. Because I guess like Finding Bigfoot actually did an episode in their town too. But so there, I'm, okay, so I am, the town that I live in now is about an hour from Portland. And then. Oh, I know exactly where it's at. Okay.

So, yeah, like 15 minutes from me is where my parents live. and so when I moved from Nashville last year, I spent this summer at my parents' house where they are now. And that is where I had that. The, I guess I'll call it a ghost. I literally like talking about this stuff and I feel like the forest film, of the paranormal. Like, I feel like I, it's like, okay, Bigfoot, aliens, shadow men,

and ghost. Like, um, so, uh, yeah, this was last summer and my, when my family moved out to Oregon,

they took my grandma and grandpa with them because they needed constant care. Um, and they were able to, to do that. This house had kind of like a, it's not separate from the house, but it was like a full another like apartment in the house. So there's like a room, a bathroom, a loft and all of that. And so I know that both my grandparents spent a lot of time in that room. And that's actually the same room that I stayed in when I moved out here last summer. So.

Um, so one night, um, not too long after I moved in, um, I was going to sleep and right in that moment of like you are, you're not like fully asleep, but you are just about there. I felt a human, like the weight of a human, like sit on the bed, like sit on my leg, sit on the bed. And after where it snapped me, like fully awake. And I was looking around because there was a cat there. Morris, we still have him. And he just kind of wanders around the house at night. So I was like, please, Morris, where are you?

Like, please be in here. And the cat was not in my room. But, and I know, like, I, again, I'll say I was almost asleep, but it felt, I felt it. Like, I physically felt it. I felt a human being, like, sit on the bed on my legs. and I looked around my cat was not in there and at this point in my life I had experienced so much that I was just like,

okay, well, I'm going back to sleep because what am I going to do? Like, if there is a ghost in here or whatever, like, I mean, what, you know, what am I going to do? So, um, so the next day, I went back to sleep And then the next day, my mom and I were walking the dog out back, which we've also experienced weird stuff on that path, too, walking the dog. But I told her what happened.

And she said, I don't want to upset you, but the same exact thing happened to me last night. And that brought tears in my eyes. Because, again, I was like, okay, so this is not just, but it just, it made it more real for me. And with that one, I, I just kind of assume that it was one of my grandparents. Who knows? Like, I don't know, but it's, that one just kind of felt, I didn't feel scared again.

It was just like what's going on here. But I would like to assume it was just either my grandpa or my grandma. Well, I'll tell you, I've heard that before, people referencing such things. In fact, somebody in my family has said that to me recently that they felt something like that happened in their bed. And it's never happened to me, but it's got to be a weird feeling, you know, because, you know, being in bed is a vulnerable place to be. Yeah.

And, you know, but I'm glad you find a little comfort in, you know, assuming that it might be your grandfather, you know, I don't know. But it's definitely interesting. And I don't know. I think I'd probably get scared. I think I'd be scared. Yeah. Okay.

So, yeah, when it happened, I was definitely a little bit creeped out because even if it is your grandpa or your grandma you're like um like um yeah it just it spooks you out you're kind of like what what are you doing here right now like um and you i don't know like i'm just assuming it was one of them but you don't know and especially i feel like when you wake up from that state or like you can get snapped out of that state your body is kind of in that like it almost feels like the flight or fight thing like it you do kind of there is like a a panic thing that happens but um but then to like to make yourself feel better you're like oh maybe it was this like maybe it was these people that I loved and that seems like uh that could be the case because

they spent a lot of time here and I mean but you don't know so it's yeah that I was I will say that one like kind of that one was a little bit more on the like creepy side. Oh yeah. I mean, like I said, I think I would be definitely creeped out by that. Yeah. I'm just glad that, you know, typically nothing like this happens to me. It's always you suckers. I just get to listen to stories. But, uh, hey, do you want to bring on Joanna and we can talk to her about her experience? Yes, that sounds good. All right, before we bring on Joanne, I want to talk to you about SimplySafe, which is the sponsor for this week's show. They're quickly becoming a fan favorite, a show favorite of home security.

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Look at SimplySafe and get your home secured right now. Hello. Hi. Is this Joanna? This is she. Awesome. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing good. My name's Tony Merkel and I host this podcast, The Confessionals. And I hear you had a very interesting experience.

I did. Quite unexplainable. Yeah. So Cheyenne told me that you're kind of hesitant as to giving it an actual definition of what you saw. Yeah. So I just want you to know. I'm not the guy that goes around and saying they saw this or they didn't see that. I'm very open-minded. And I've talked to people that have a lot of crazy stories. And so I just want to hear what you saw. And, you know, this is like a very laid-back kind of thing. I mean, we, I just talk to people and enjoy the conversation and hearing the stories. So, but yeah, this, I heard you ask about where this is going to be aired and stuff. It's going to be aired online. But, It's going to be accessible all over the world. Anybody can hear it. So just giving you a heads up.

And if you're good, we can get this going. Okay. Yeah. No, that sounds good. All right. So with that said, I hear that you, I'm going to actually hold off from saying what I want to say it is because I want to hear what your experience is. Okay.

That's probably a good idea. Yeah. You saw something, a creature of some type, that acted very strange. So with that said, could you just take it away and tell us where you were, what you were doing, what you saw? Sure. The whole thing. So, so first of all, I want to start by explaining that I do spend a lot of time in the woods. I'm a fly fisher girl and I love the woods. I was mushroom hunting this particular day for morel mushrooms. And as you know, Sometimes Morels can take you to some pretty crazy places.

So we're in the Mount Hood Wilderness area near Parkdale. And we returned to a site we'd been before. I was with my fiancé Cody. And we had had a good success at this particular spot where we were looking for mushrooms. And the way that I had this encounter, my partner was with me. However, he was about 20 yards behind me. I had kind of rushed up the road and started looking on the road where we had found Morels before.

I was really excited. And in this particular area, we were in a clear cut that had also been burned. So we had come out of the deep woods and entered a clear cut. He was still behind me on a logging road, and he didn't have visual on the actual opening of the clear cut. So if you can imagine me in front of him on a logging road and a tree line preventing him from looking up the clear cut where I had this encounter. So I'm head down. I'm silent, looking for mushrooms. And I saw something out of my peripheral vision about 75 yards straight up the side of a hill face toward the top of this clear cut toward the peak of where it kind of levels off and then goes up higher behind it.

And what I saw initially, my brain understood it as a human, a person that looked like they were macheteing all of the downfall in tree brush, like, pretty aggressively. And it's four o'clock in the afternoon, so the sun's out. And it was pretty bright. So I took my hands over my eyes, shield my eyes from the sun and did the like universal, like, universal. like person looking stance and really like funneled in my vision to figure out if it was people and if like maybe they had beat us to the spot. Naturally my mind was like, oh no, someone beat us here and they're going to have all the mushrooms. So as I like really focused my awareness and attention onto this dark figure that looked like it was a man in a like black hoodie

or jacket that appeared to have very long. shuddy pretty aggressively chopping downward into the ground. Now, I didn't see any debris, but I was like, oh my gosh, what is going on? Like, how is this possible? And my brain went through a couple different stages of processing pretty quickly. It went from someone's here. We should probably leave. Like, they already got the spot to, like, wait, no man moves like that.

I've never seen that kind of thing before. to kind of being in shock, like, I don't understand what I'm seeing. Like, my brain couldn't process what I was seeing. And then as I was looking at it, it turned around and faced me. Now, I've had a lot of people ask me, like, what the face looked like. And I don't actually recall seeing eyeballs or any form because of the lighting and the distance. But it was a silhouette of something that looked like an extremely lean, like ape-like, maybe man, humanoid.

But it was very lean. And two days prior at the same spot before rain, we had gone there. And we recall hearing what we thought was a bear call warning us. And we left together cautiously as soon as we heard that. And we spoke to some locals and talked about it and found out that there was some cattle that were moved in that evening. It was possible what we heard was it a cow, didn't think much of it. But it did cross my mind, like, is this some kind of bear that's super lean straight out of winter? Maybe I've just never seen that before.

I am not a local, so I am aware that maybe in that moment I was like, oh, I've never seen anything like this. I'm from Texas, actually. So I don't have a whole lot of experiences with bears. But as it looked at me, I got this chill that it really shocked me to my core. Like got icy cold, all the hair stood up on my body to a point where I got like it was like very physical reaction and I recognize I was like spooked but the thing that set me over the edge was the way it moved from that moment this all happened really quickly and from the moment it looked at me it pretty much instantly while keeping its torso facing me like for lack of better words octopus maybe spidered its way up the hill very fluidly and just so fluid it literally reminded me of a cuddlfish or an octopus which sounds a little silly but that's the best language I can put to what I witnessed and it

buckled my knees quite a bit I definitely got emotional I had a hard time communicating with my partner what I had seen but I was really adamant about leaving I was trying to express I just wanted to leave and I was trying to process what I saw. And I did take some time, calm me down, and was like, it's okay, you know, just sit down for a second. And I did sit there and I don't think I've blinked for like 10 minutes processing and replaying over and over with like an honest awareness of what I saw over and over, just sitting on the road looking at that exact spot, trying to make sense of it. But it sounds like cliche, but it's, it sounds like cliche, but it, It moved in a way that is not of this world, and that sounds a little, you know, it sounds a little crazy, but to like articulate what I mean by that better, it didn't move in a way that made sense to anything in this world that you see in reality or in the mood or in terms of like wildlife, you know, documentaries, etc.

I've never seen an animal move like that or creature or whatever it was. One more thing worth mentioning is a week prior, we had drove up to the exact spot where I had this siding. And we walked around looking for morels. I know the terrain pretty well. I had just been there. And it was extremely challenging to walk through. So my part of my shock was the awareness of the terrain and how it moves so fluidly, almost just gracefully ascending this very, you know, dense, porous, down tree brush with Blackberry brambles. So yeah, that is my best account of what I witnessed.

I have had a lot of time to process. It did take me a while to really talk about it openly. I haven't really had any kind of experience like that before whatsoever. And it did shake me up for about two weeks, but I have been back into the woods. But I do, you know, keep a pretty different awareness now. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that is my, that was my encounter.

Well, I'll tell you, first of all, I want to tell you, it's not the first time I've heard that, okay? In fact, one of my best friends had a sighting of something extremely similar to what you just described. He said that it got down on all fours and almost looked like a spider on how it got down on all fours. He saw it go from two legs to all four. and he said it was extremely fast in how it did it.

He, his sighting was probably around 25 to 30 miles away from where you had your sighting. Wow. So you said that you were around Mount Hood, right? Yeah, Mount Hood in the Parkdale area. Okay. So if you're in the Parkdale area, you're looking at about 20 to 25 miles away. If you're going from a straight line from where he saw his.

his experience in Washington. He lives just across the river. Wow. Yeah. And it acted extremely similar. Yeah. And as it, like, for lack of better words, spidered its way away. It did keep its like face facing me very, very steady.

I mean, it was kind of like something you'd see in a horror movie. and I have I have spent a lot of time really trying to be aware and conscientious of you know if I was in a state of fear did I perceive something incorrectly with the distance and the sun and a heightened sense of emotional response but I really felt like I was locked in on what I saw and I honestly felt like somewhat like captivated and I experienced quite an emotional response that isn't quite normal for me. It affected me for like weeks after too. It's pretty big. A lot of processing. Yeah, there's a lot of processing with this. And a lot of times when people see these things,

especially people like you and my buddy, it's like it changes your world. In fact, I mean, the audience knows who I'm talking about. You probably don't know unless you follow this podcast. he has a podcast called Satswatch Chronicles and, uh, he, I am now a fan as of this encounter. Yeah. So, um,

a new fan. Yeah, he, he started, he started his show from him and his brother's experience, uh, when they were out there and they saw what they saw. And it wasn't just one.

It was, it was multiple. And they came in on their vehicle in the middle of the night. And so, um, it was a very dramatic counter. In fact, do you want to hear,

uh, his description of the, creature he saw go down on all four? Yeah, I'd love that. Okay. And about that time, he leaned over and said, I think we're being surrounded again. And I said, yeah, I just want to go. I don't want, whatever's going on up here, I want no part of it.

You know, I just, I want to leave. I felt like Alice in Wonderland at that point. It was just like, I just want out of here. So he goes to start the car and take off. And that's when we actually saw it. this thing stepped out off the embankment into the road. Now, the embankment again, because I've been back to the area, you can't step off of it. Like, I couldn't step off of it.

It would take about three or four steps for me to get down to the road. This ain't just one step and it's on the road. And I wasn't, you know, I didn't know what I was looking at. It was huge. It looked like a man, but it wasn't a man. it looked like a gorilla but it wasn't a gorilla it was just this huge bulky thing and it was muscular and it started walking across the road it took about three or four steps walked across the road but it would stop it would take a step and it would kind of stop and it would turn its whole

upper body and look at us and then it would take like one or two more steps and turn its body kind of look at us. It was very, I felt like it was meant to intimidate us, and this thing was doing a good job of intimidating us. And it goes across the road, and I'm sure we were yelling at the time, what the F was at. You know, I just remember my jaw being down. My jaw just being on the floor, my eyes being real big. And it goes across the road, and it goes behind. It goes behind this kind of a deadfall tree. The tree had been broken. It was about eight feet up, but it was just kind of this dead tree.

And it walks behind it, it stands there. And we could still see it. I mean, it was taller than the tree. We could still see from about the shoulders up. So it wasn't hiding from us. We could still see it. And Woody goes and he's acting like he's going to start the car and he's going to drive us out of there. And I'm like, don't what, I'm like, I'm begging him.

at this point. Don't drive past that thing. Don't... Tony, this thing was so big. I think at the time of when I first started, you know, I thought it was like 12 feet tall. I think when we went back, realistically, it was more like nine feet tall. But at the time, I mean,

this thing could have been 50 feet tall. I had just never seen anything this physically big before. But it was about nine, nine and a half feet tall. And it probably weighed about a thousand pounds, minimum. And I was sitting there thinking, like, please don't drive. I was telling me, please don't drive past it.

Because I honestly, in my heart, I felt like it could have grabbed this. It was so big. I felt like it could have grabbed the side of the car and flipped it over. And there would have been nothing we could have done about it. And we couldn't turn around and go the other way

because this is the only way off the mound. So we're stuck. If we turn and go the other way, we'll be on some crazy road. I don't even know we're. it goes. We have to go this way to get out of here. And so it's kind of a

one road in, one road out type of deal. And it comes out from behind this tree and it got down like it was going to charge us. I mean, it got down on all fours. Not kind of on all fours.

It got down like you'd see a runner get down. You know, like a runner right before it takes off for a race. Yeah. kind of have their butts in the air and their hands are down. That's what this thing did. And it would pump, pump its butt, like it was going to charge us. And I'm sitting there with my gun, my hands are shaking.

And I'm in my mind, I'm thinking, please don't, please don't charge a car. Please don't charge a car. Because I knew our guns weren't going to kill us saying. There's no way our guns were going to even take the thing down. And then it stood up. it went back to the dead fall trina stood there pretty soon it'd come back

out did the exact same thing act like it was going to charge us and then it would stand up and it would walk back and it must have done this Woody and I still argue about this but Woody says you know it was I don't I don't know what he five or six times I think is what he says

I swear the saying did it way more than that I mean we sat there and every time it came out my heart sank I thought for sure it was going to charge us but it didn't. It stood back up, started walking back over behind the deadfall tree. And about that time we saw where that one had stepped off the embankment, there was another one. But it was different.

It jumped across the road, bounced off of it like it was a trampoline, and then went off into the bushes and it was gone. The one that, the big one, if you can picture like, Arnold Schwarzenegger, a thousand pounds and nine and a half feet tall, that's kind of what this thing looked at, looked like. The head was very small, and it sat right on the shoulders.

But the head, I say at the time, it reminded me of a, kind of a cartoon character, because the head seemed like it was too small for the body. The shoulders were extremely exaggerated. I remember just focusing on those shoulders every time it came out because

the shoulders had to have been at least six feet wide. I mean, it was the biggest thing I'd ever seen in my life. And it went down to like a V. You know, like when you see Patty, she's big, but she's not stacked. She's not like ripped out. Seems more frumpy. Yeah, very frumpy. This thing was not like that at all, not even close.

And it was narrow on the waist. The legs on it were like tree trunks. The one thing I can tell you about it is the knees are. in the same place where our knees are at. The knees are actually farther down. And it walked bent knee the whole time. It never straightened up. And it kind of walked,

I say hunched over, what he said more like slouched over, but it reminded me of, I did an interview with Chris Jericho and I was looking at some of these wrestlers. And you ever see a guy that works out too much on his chest and what ends up happening is the muscles tend

to pull, roll the shoulders forward and kind of pull the, the shoulders down. And I think that's why I say hunched over. It kind of had that. It was like it was too, I don't know, I'm not doing a great job of describing it, but it was kind of not hunched, but it looked like it worked out too much in its chest and kind of pulled, the shoulders are kind of rolled forward. The arms went down to almost the knees, not quite, but almost to the knees. the one that jumped across the road was built nothing like this other one.

It was skinny. It was tall. It was kind of a light gray, whitish color. And it reminded me of like a female jogger, that type of body type. It was still big. I mean, I'm sure it was bigger than me. But we only saw it for like 1,000, 2,000, 3,000, and it's gone. And when I say it bounced off that road, man.

It bounced off that road like it was a trampoline. And as soon as it came across the road and went off into the bushes, the big one stepped back out. And I honestly thought he was, I thought we're dead. And he never, when he stepped out this time, he never, he never, well, threw out the whole encounter, he never turned his back on us. But when he came out this last time, he was. squared up with us.

And he came out to the middle of the road and he just like collapsed. And what I mean by that is like he dropped down to all fours. Not like before. This was actually dropping down to all fours. But it wasn't like how you and I would get down on all fours. This thing just collapsed. And it was down on the ground like a spider. It used its fingertips and its back toes.

and it crawled about halfway out, stopped for a second, and then crawled off into the bushes, and it was gone. I hear you agreeing with them. I wanted to ask you. So was it about the head size or what? The structure, the head was small. So when I immediately had a lot of support that I didn't expect from family members and friends like that are from here that have, you know, for Cheyenne especially, you know, like,

with, hey, here's all these resources. You're not alone. It's okay. So I kind of started looking deeper into the Sasquatch, everything. And the thing that really stuck out the most to me is I didn't really identify with this bulky, large, muscular figure. This was a very lean, strong, powerful being. So the size of the head, the broadness of the shoulders, something that really stick out to me was the length of the arms. When I mentioned initially that I thought it was a man with a machete, it was because the shoulder to arm length was so ridiculous.

It's like nothing I've seen more than an ape or a gorilla. It's just nothing I had actually seen before. So that was definitely, I started getting like almost not just listening to his account because I do relate to. I can relate to that. Yeah. In terms of size, you know, I honestly have not gone back to three visits. It's kind of funny because the very next day we had like torrential rainstorms. and I'm kind of beat myself up about it.

It would be very much in my nature to go and look for prints and examine. And I did draw some pictures directly at the evening this happened as it was fresh in my mind of what I witnessed. But I did not go back to the site. Part of that was one of the properties I have to pass through to get there. They just asked me to, you know, please just stay home. So I didn't actually go back and honored that and respected their wishes. And it felt like the right thing to do in the moment. So I didn't go back.

But I do plan to go back and explore to kind of take an accurate, to get an accurate perspective of the actual size because it was so high up and so far away. I'm not sure I can really honestly tell you the size until I go there and, you know, really. really honestly look at it. But it seemed big. Yeah. I want to say that, but I plan to return and really investigate. I mean, I'm going to be heading out to the West Coast probably next year at some point.

I was going to go out to, I was going to hit L.A. later this year and then make my way up the coast. But my wife got pregnant. and so she's going to have the baby in late September. So congratulations. Thank you. But I don't think it's wise to be traveling across the country and leaving my wife. Yeah. But next year, I'm probably going to head on out.

And I'll definitely be in that area because I'll be visiting my friend. And so maybe I'll be hitting that area too because I definitely want to check it out and stuff because these things are out there. Yes, they're absolutely huge, especially in that area. So the Pacific Northwest is known for just large animals in general. I mean, we have mountain lions here in Pennsylvania, and they get about 115 to, if you get a hundred and 25 pound one, it's very big. But out there, you'll get a 200-pounder easily.

And just animals are bigger out there. And so we have Bigfoot sightings here in Pennsylvania, and typically they're reported as about six and a half to seven feet tall, maybe seven and a half, but that's about it. But out there, I mean, Wes, his experience, I think he described one of them being around nine to ten feet tall. Oh, yeah. They're absolutely huge. I can't imagine seeing that.

I don't want to say yet what I think until I return, but I would say this thing was really big. And it also, as it left the scene, it was very wide. like it's its extremities were so lanky and long um it it just defied my my like brain's ability to even process it definitely it was nothing i have ever seen before yeah i mean it's not like you were expecting it you know what i mean so yeah no it definitely it definitely got me good yeah uh yeah so this thing is walking away from you and as it's walking away uphill uphill and it's on all four right yeah but it's torso

faced me that's so crazy so like it's head and torso like it was it imagine like it sounds silly but a spider or octopus is the words i've used to describe it um it's the best best human like language adjective of what I can compare it to that I have right now in this journey. I'm sure my eyes are about to be open as I start to explore more about this area and other encounters and it's already started happening. But, you know, that was kind of my initial reaction. But it was really, it was, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, have said also like it didn't make me the way that it moved and just kind of vanished um on the

terrain that I knew and had just been through it honestly reminded me of something that's almost alien which you know I have no idea but it didn't it just doesn't make sense yeah it doesn't makes sense. And you're not the first person to describe you like that. I mean, a lot of people believe that these things could be extraterrestrial and not even from here. Totally get that now. Yeah. And you know, it's funny because I've heard, I've heard like when I first moved here, you know, there's lots of believers and I wasn't really closed off to it. But I also wasn't like into it. I just was like, cool. You know, my mascot where I work is a Sasquatch. That's awesome. I love it. But I hadn't really had anything affect me enough.

or had any kind of personal experience or friend of a friend or anything like that to where I had really consciously done any research. You know, I'm not from here. And it just wasn't in my awareness. So it wasn't something I was looking for or thinking about at all. Yeah. I totally get that. Yeah.

So now that we've talked about this, why is it that? And I think I know the answer to this, but why is it that you're so hesitant to give it a label of something? Is it because of the mannerism of how it operated? And on top of that, the idea that, you know, it could be so many different things outside of just the idea of a creature that lives out there. Because there's a lot of people that have these experiences and they're very quick to label it as something. But you're very hesitant with that. What's the philosophy behind that? The philosophy is behind that is I have, number one, I was not sure I was ready to speak about this with anyone yet.

That wasn't like immediate family and friends. And I want to be cautious because it was so unexplainable. And the way it affected me, it was so powerful that I feel like it's worth, truly investigating personally. I've also had some feedback on other things from friends that are like, oh, I know a friend, you had an experience too. And I feel like I need to wait and just like process and listen and observe. And I think in time I'll maybe have more answers, maybe not.

I do feel like, I know this sounds completely crazy, but I do have some kind of intuitive sense that in some way it was like a warning or a very important message that I can't understand right now. I just feel like, you know, I made sure every time I've gone out to the woods since then, I've thanked the wilderness area. I've been very attentive and respectful to what I'm taking and how I'm moving through it and what I'm leaving behind or how I'm mentally entering the space. And I'm not sure if this was a personal thing for me or someone else can relate to my story,

but it is so personal. Just all of the range of emotions that I went through in the days after. and interesting serendipities and messages that are quite personal. So I just don't know if I'm ready to put a label on it. And maybe this is my first opportunity to reach out and connect with others. And I'll get, you know, showered with, you know, support or ridicule or whatever. And I'm sure I'll learn from it, whatever it is. Yeah, I would say be guarded as to who you reach out to. and who you let into the circle of, you know, your experience because the Bigfoot community

online can sometimes be wolves among sheep. And so I would be definitely careful with that. But also, I'm kind of excited for you to be, you know, pursuing the idea of what did you see. And I'll be sending you some files and stuff for you to try. check out and stuff of, you know, people's experiences. And, uh, you know, I think I, I come from the angle of this. I think that the world is far more stranger than we can understand. I think the universe is, is, falls underneath that as well. Absolutely. And I, I, I think it's naive to think

that we have it all figured out. Uh, and there's just so many people who say they have seen some crazy stuff out there in the woods or on land somewhere in this country for everybody to either be lying or crazy doesn't make sense to me. People are seeing things out there. And that's why I do the show I do is because I want to make sure that we document these things. And I think we can learn from hearing other people's experiences. I mean, I'm not a scientist. And how do you even go about, you know, doing some kind of scientific research on something that nobody can keep up with. But we can chronicle these stories so that people can refer back to it. And I can't tell you how many times I've had people telling me things that I've heard before and I start connecting dots

right here on the show because I'm like, oh my gosh, I've heard this before, you know? So I think it's very important that people share their experiences. I'm really glad that you did. Yeah. Well, thank you for the opportunity and outlet and structure to share. I really appreciate what you're doing. And so, yeah, thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Absolutely. Absolutely. So I guess I'm trying to think how I'm going to finish this show off now.

Yeah, I guess I'll finish off with Cheyenne. Okay. Thank you. Thanks for talking. Thank you. Hello. Cheyenne. Yeah, buddy.

That was awesome. Yeah. Yep. So she saw something that West saw. I mean, that's, that's, she did. Yeah. Wow. I don't know what to say.

I mean, I love, listen, when I heard Wes's story before we were even friends, I was fascinated by it. Yeah, same. And then when, you know, he came on my show to tell it, you know, way back in the day, I was fascinated by it. And every time I hear somebody's story that resembles his, I'm fascinated by it. The idea of how these things move, because we're, I think it's because we're so, custom to the idea that Sasquatch walks on two legs like Patty, it's just kind of frumpy and,

you know, fronels and wrong. The fact that there are people who are seeing these creatures do physical things that seem almost impossible is very fascinating. It kind of gives them a new element, too, because people think it's just big, lumbering, sure, it can move fast, but you'll hear it coming kind of thing. But when you hear what she described and what even West described, It's like these things are giant monsters that can be light on foot, move very swiftly, and in ways that you can't imagine is even physically possible. It's very interesting. It's super interesting. And that's like, so when she was telling me that story, A, as she mentioned, like, that's, and I thought about this, like, as soon as she said this, like, I, my mom had like, when I moved here, my mom.

took me and showed me kind of like the general area of where Wes had his experience. And it's not far from where, um, where this happened. No, not at all. And no. And so, and for, like you said, like for them to move, like, as soon as she said, how they move, that's what I thought about. I was like, and that's also what made me think, like, okay, like this, um, again, like this is like other people have said this. Like, and West said that, like how they move. And as soon as she literally said to me, um, this is going to sound crazy, but it moved like, like an alien octopus. And then as soon as she

said that, I was like, oh my gosh. Like I, this is, like, I, this is, like, I've heard. Like, I've this before. I've heard this from like not only West, but I know a couple people have like has, they have said that on his show and I was like, oh my gosh. But then because of that, because of West and like

and other people I was able to be like, well, you're not crazy. Like this is like you can go and listen here and here and like go on YouTube here and like all these people have had the same experiences.

and it's just, and like I said, it's around that general area. And, but what I thought was interesting, too, and I don't know, I was kind of trying to give her space, well, she was on the phone with you, but, like, I live with her, and what I thought was really, like, interesting, and her personality in the subsequent weeks after this happened was totally like night and day. Like it definitely affected her. And I know that it really got to her.

But I do think, like you said, I think it helped her to know that she was not the only one that experienced this. and that's what I did I wanted I wanted her to talk to you and I'm so glad she got to Dr. West and because I think that helps I think like talking about it helps. Oh she did talk to Wes? Huh? She did talk to Wes? Oh no, I thought I heard her.

I thought was she talking to Wes before or no. We were playing clips from the interview I did with Wes. That's probably what you heard. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Okay. Yeah. but yeah just like just talking talking about it I think that helps and because it really did bother her it got to her so yeah

I mean I can understand that for sure and I would expect that I if I saw what they saw I mean yeah it changes you and I'm looking at the map and you know her experience happened 25 30 miles from where west had his experience I mean it's not far yeah and so I mean I mean I mean I man I got to get out there I got to get out there oh yeah definitely but it's just

I think like I understand because it's for her it was like you wake up one day and like monsters aren't real and then you wake up

the next day and it's like okay monsters are real now like it's it's like a complete 180 in it it changes you and in some ways really good in some ways it just it's it's hard it can be hard but well i i i'm really excited to get out that way sometime next year uh i was going to be going

out to the west coast this year but then you know with lindsay being pregnant it's just not good timing uh yeah but next year probably mid mid to late next year i'd probably be heading on out that way And I'll be in L.A. for sure. And I'll make my way up the West Coast up to the, probably the Portland, Portland area. Nice, yeah. And maybe even further up. I think I'd like to go up into Washington for sure.

If I'm going to be out there, I want to get into Washington as well. Yeah. The Olympic Peninsula, things like that. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. This is the last public show that we're doing all for 2020. 2020 is in the bags.

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