The Confessionals - 325: The Underground Reptilians

Episode Date: March 30, 2021

Episode 325: The Underground Reptilians is a two-part show, with Part Two available as an Overtime segment on the website for members! On this episode, we speak with Brian, who describes growing up near a place in Michigan where reptilians lived underground with other creatures! Brian and I first connected when he left a comment on theconfessionalspodcast.com about his experiences helping to de-program SRA (Satanic Ritually Abused) people. I was interested in bringing him on the show to pick his brain about the process of de-programming in SRA cases, but as we communicated he asked me if I would like to hear about his reptilian stories - of course, I said, "Yes!" As children, Brian and his brother would play with other kids around an area called Witch's Hollow. One day, Brian's brother stumbled upon an opening in the ground that had a dismembered head in the entrance! After contemplating what he saw, his brother decided to return to the location to get another look, and when he did he was met by a reptilian who was manning the entrance. That was the first of many ongoing interactions he had with these creatures, and Brian shares the encounters with us!BECOME A MEMBER AND GET ADDITIONAL SHOWS: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSPONSORS:GET FEALS: https://feals.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: https://simplisafe.com/confessionalsGet Emergency Food Supplies: http://www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: https://bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH US:Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] Community: Text "YUP" to 844-215-0819 Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIA:Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaI Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's NEW Instagram: rage_against_dystopiaMeWe: https://mewe.com/i/tonymerkel5Gab.com: https://gab.com/TonyMerkelFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkelSHOW INTRO: Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face.

They basically decapitated. Closer, got closer, got closer, got closer. When he got about 15 yards away from me, I blow this head off. I feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over, and there are two small gray entities pulling at me. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster.

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we release a bonus show on the website for members only. So if you want to hear more of this show on a weekly basis, go to the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the join button, and become a member today. And like today,

we have an overtime show, which means members get three separate hours. Three. You got the Tuesday Public Show, then you got the overflow of the overtime segment, and then you get your Thursday show, because today is a bonkers show. We're bringing on Brian today. I contacted Brian about SRA type of stuff. Brian was saying on my website on the comment section about how he has experiences dealing with SRA victims and deprogramming. Well, I wanted to bring him on the show to talk about these things, and we do talk about these things, but he threw me a curveball in the text

message is when he told me that he has some reptilian conversations he'd like to have with me because his brother, when they were growing up, had multiple ongoing experiences with these things, and he wanted to relay those stories a day. And I'm telling you, my jaw was dropped. I was like, you've got to be kidding me. When I was hearing this stuff, it was fantastic. So we went extra long, and we have a whole other overtime segment there waiting for you, for your listening pleasure. Just log into your membership, and you're good to go. Now, let's get to Brian right now. All right, today we got Brian on the show. Brian, sir, how are you? Hi, Tony. I'm doing well. Thanks. I'm glad you here, man. So you're somebody that I reached out to because I saw you on the website. And the episode

we put out called Dirty Santa with Rachel for Christmas. That was such a fun episode to talk to Rachel. She had an incredible experience where she was being stalked and hunted down by a guy she called Dirty, Dirty Looking Santa. And he actually wound up breaking the house chasing her and her friend around. Like, it was such a dramatic story. And if people want to go check that out, it's episode 298. It came out this past Christmas of 2020. But in that comments section, I saw you commenting to Rachel about your experiences

slash expertise and certain things. And it's like, wow, I want to talk to this guy. and you were willing to come on and we arranged it. But what I want to tell people is that the kind of direction today's show is going. Today is going to be an overtime episode as well. And what we're going to be covering throughout the two segments is your experiences with your brother and the paranormal side of things. Your brother had some memories and experiences with the reptilian types.

We're going to go into some paranormal experiences that you've had, your dad's had. And especially in the second segment, we're going to focus. on talking about your experiences with working with SRA victims. And it's going to be a very interesting conversation because you have hands-on experiences with helping these people. And I'm just really excited about it, man. So if you want, go ahead and start us off with these two experiences you've had paranormal-wise with your stepbrother or your half-brother, I should say. Yes. Okay. Yeah, we grew up. I'm in the lower peninsula of Michigan, southwestern Michigan area.

So these events happened there, in fact, in the Allegan County area of Michigan. This goes back to the early 70s. I am almost three years older than my half-brother is. and due to a divorce in remarriage and such, my brother and I did not live full time in the same house. I would see him every other weekend due to the divorce arrangement agreement and such. So anyway, when my brother and I were young, you know, quite young, my dad, when it would get to be evening time, occasionally, would start breaking out,

telling us ghost stories. And these are, these are ghost stories in that they were real happenings that happened to various members of the family on his side. So he would tell us things that happened. And, of course, you know, we get quite a kick out of, and it really perked my interest hearing such things. And as it ended up, you know, I don't know if, I don't know it's my brother and I, it's like we didn't necessarily always remember these things that happened or I don't know how goes with our memories is in, you know, remembering these things. But anyway, it got to the

point where finally my brother and I started talking and, you know, with each other. Yeah, we had had a couple of things that happened together. And the very first was this. I was approximately eight years old. My brother about five years old. And again, this happened. Uh, rural, out in rural countryside, and my dad still lives on this property. So it was a weekend that I was there at my dad's house. And it was a really small,

just a little small two-bedroom house, one bathroom, living room kitchen, a very small postage stamp-sized house. So somewhere in the middle of the night, my brother and I were sharing the same bedroom, and I think back then we were really young. I think I believe we were even sleeping in the same bed. And the bathroom next to our bedroom always had a nightlight on in it.

So that night light would kind of shine out into the living room a little bit. anyway, my brother and I woke up. We don't recall if one of us woke the other up or if we both kind of woke up at the same time. But we woke up and as though we knew something happened out in the other room. Some sort of noise, I believe, stirred us and got our curiosity up. So we got up out of bed. We tiptoed. We made sure we were real quiet because on the other side of the bathroom was our parents' room.

And we knew we'd get in big trouble if we were caught being up. So we were real careful to sneak out into the little hallway and then into the living room. Again, the nightlight from the bathroom was shown into the living room. So there was a little, very little bit of light in the living room. And then that took us going through the living room. Then we stopped in the doorway that goes into the kitchen from the living room. And we just stood there in that doorway and we're peering into the darkness of the kitchen. And we don't hear a sound.

Nothing's going on. You can't really see anything because it's fairly dark. Then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, my brother and I were wearing. pajamas and we were picked up essentially by our pajama tops as though something is holding, you know, someone is holding our collars and were raised up into the air about to the height of where our heads are pretty much touching the top of the doorway looking into the kitchen. And, of course, that son's the heck out of my brother and myself. and we both, I think we both basically simultaneously say,

Dad put us down. We basically say it in unison, thinking our dad is messing around with us, you know, picking us up by our pajama tops. And so we both, we each turn our heads around, and there is nothing behind us. We're just up in the air, something has us up in the air. Whatever it is, it brings us back fully into the living room,

and basically brings us over to the couch, the sofa in the living room, and it's as though it releases us and our little butts just plop on onto the sofa and we're just absolutely stunned speechless. We don't scream out or yell or anything. We're basically, yeah, we're just totally speechless. Stunned by what on earth went on. And so my brother and I are looking at each other on the sofa, bug and we can kind of see each other because of the nightlight.

And we're just sitting there and for a minute. And then I just tell him, okay, you know, be cool, calm, collected. And I just took off and back into the bedroom, dove into the bed. And he came scurrying in right after me. And so, yeah, then, you know, in bed, we just, we aren't sure what on earth just happened. You know, we talk about a little more, about it a little more. And we kind of calm down. And we both decide we're thirsty and we want to get a drink of water.

So we kind of tiptoe back out to the bathroom. And back in those days, we had one of those little paper, one of those little Dixie paper cup dispensers. and so we each get a drink of water out of one of those cups, and then we think, well, we'll take one cup in with us back to bed in case we get thirsty, so we don't have to get back up again. So we did that, and we go to sleep. And whenever I've retold this story, this happening in the past, I never said this extra piece until recent years because it's very odd and we don't know what to think about it.

But my brother and I ended up waking up the next morning and there is some degree of a blood stain in our bed. And I don't recall myself how big it was, but I recall we had a bloodstain. staying in our bed. And being children as young as we were, again, I believe we were eight and five right in that age range. We just, we rationalized that the cup of water tipped over and it turned into blood. I don't, you know, I don't know what happened and why we had blood in our bed like that. I don't know if something more went on, but that's just a little.

extra piece to the, you know, the occurrence that is kind of unexplainable. So, and then, so the next thing my brother and I experienced together, that is sort of on the paranormal, you know, ghost sort of side of things. A few years later, I don't know if it may be the case that I was somewhere around 12, my brother around 9, to be honest, I don't remember the exact age, but I do believe I was in a middle school when this next thing happened. Again, this is at a house out in the woods, at my dad's house. It's out in the woods. And we had a trail going through the woods that would connect to my, to my grandmother's house, my dad's mom's house. And then on the other side of that, of ways, was my dad's brother's house.

And so we had a couple cousins there. Anyway, it was a nice sunny day again on the weekend. My brother and I decide, my brother and I decide we want to go over and play with our two cousins. It was a boy and a girl. they were just they were a little they were right in our age range so my brother and I are walking along on the trail and about halfway down the trail you know getting to my grandma's house um we see our two cousins boy and a girl standing in the trail and we get excited and start running towards them um and then the weirdest

thing happens as we get really close of course we would naturally stop well it's this weird thing where there's some force where we can't stop and we we run right through what we thought was them and we we turn around and there is nothing there what we thought was our cousins is just gone and that totally stupefies us and we we actually just simply take the trail back home home and we go up, I recall this very clearly. We went up on the front porch to the house and we're just, you know, talking about it. What, you know, what just happened to us. And, yeah, can't explain it. That's interesting. So those are. Yes. So let me ask you some questions here. First of all, with the story you just told, do you think that was some kind of like mimicking spirits then?

I mean, I don't know how that would describe the force that you felt kind of push you through. But, you know, I'm just curious as to how you draw that up in your mind as to how that, you know, experience unfolds. Yeah, you know, Tony, that's a really great question. And oddly enough, I've never tried to explain exactly what it is, you know, or exactly what maybe it is. you know, I'll add this. I don't know why all these particular things, odd things happened to, it was basically people in my dad's generation, then my generation,

because some things that happened to my cousins, some things that happened to my sister, and of course my brother, my half-brother, as well as things were happening. My dad's family had moved to this rural area in Michigan from the Chicago area. They were actually, you know, pretty big city people and things that happened to the generation, you know, basically my grandparents' generation. And I've asked my dad in the past why he thinks why on earth all these things would have been

happening to so many different people in the family. He made one comment. He doesn't really know, but he made this one comment to me a few times. He says that one member of his family and it would have been in the generation above him, I believe. I don't think two generations above him, but I could be wrong. One of those anyway. He made the comment that a woman, one of the women in the family, was a witch. and I don't know to what degree he knows of that,

but he just, he said it to me more than once, and he either doesn't know much more beyond that or he doesn't, I'm not sure, but he anyway says a family member was a witch. And also, I had inherited, when my grandmother, his mother passed away, I had inherited a Masonic, a Freemason sword, you know, a ritual sword. And it was owned by a man that was in relationship to a woman in my family, you know, next generation above my dad. And I've never thought to ask my dad, well, was this man who was a little bit mysterious,

was he in a relationship with this woman that you're saying you believe was a, you know, you were told was a witch. So I don't know. So I don't, so get to get back to your question, what was this in the trail that looked like our cousins? I don't, you know, what can I say? Was somehow some sort of ritual activity done in past years that, that manifest? this major activity around our family for some number of years, and therefore it was that. I just don't know what to say about that. I really do not know what to say. At the particular time,

we didn't feel like something evil had gone on when we ran through them. It was just as though, you know, back in those days, being that young, it seemed like, you know, what you would kind of stereotypically call like a ghost type of a thing, you know, whatever that means, you know, a spirit or whatever. Yeah, that's interesting. When I was a kid, I remember playing in the trailer park with the other kids during the wintertime and I was young. I mean, probably late elementary early junior high. And the kids were teasing me because I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I was, you know, I was picked on a lot. And we made these, it was during the blizzard.

So it was 96, I think it was the blizzard of 96. So I was in like sixth grade or something like that. They were, we built these huge forts with these tunnels and stuff in the snow. And they started telling me that there's these werewolves, you know, that, that were coming to get us. And just the idea of such things freaked me out. I was freaked out, you know, because, you know, I, I just, I was scared and they were acting scared and I just, it scared me. And so when you say that it didn't scare you, I guess every kid's different and stuff because I, if I would have experienced what you went through, I probably would

have been freaked out and been yacking about it to everybody, be like, guess what just freaking happened to me, you know? Yeah, yeah, definitely. I hear what you're saying. And both of those, both of the two experiences that happened where my brother and I were together, it wasn't so much that it scared us, though I'm sure there was some of that there. It was more so as it like startled us is a more accurate word. It's like what on earth, what the heck just happened?

This is really weird, you know? So, yeah, I don't know why. It wasn't maybe so much fear. It was more of a startling. And for some reason, something about my nature, I tended to be one that would keep things to myself and didn't want to tell grownups. Because, you know, even though there's the thing in there where our dad would tell us stories that happened with the family, there was still some part of me. I don't know. I tended to have kind of a, or I've always had sort of a.

a private, you know, character or nature about myself where I won't necessarily talk about things that run my mouth right away, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah. Well, I'm glad that, you know, if you have that kind of nature, you're willing to come on the show and share these experiences. You know, when I was a kid, I always, I said this before in the show, I believe, I had this, like, really warped sense of what was going to actually get me in trouble. And there were things that I would hold back from my parents just because I thought I was going to get in trouble where looking back on it, it's like you would never get in trouble for that. In fact, parents would want to know that so they can help you, you know? So it's interesting how kids

minds think. Now, back to the experience where you and your brother had in the house, you're picked up and that's in itself is a terrifying thing for me to think about. And if you're eight years old and he's five, I mean, I'm at, I mean, I have a three-year-old who, and I know he's big for his age, but I mean, he weighs 45 pounds as a three-year-old. So I'm thinking maybe eight years old, you're around 100 pounds, you know? And, you know, so it's not like you're very light. And for somebody to actually pick you up with one on each hand, that shows a lot of strength in my mind. Maybe I'm just a frail, weak man. And I can't lift a lot. But I mean, it just seems like a lot of weight to. And so, I mean, what I'm trying to get to, though, is if it was

like a spiritual entity, the amount of energy that would take to do such things is pretty, pretty mind-blowing. And you mentioned about seeing the next day about the blood on the bed. Yeah. Over the years, thinking about such things, have you ever, you know, ventured into the thought of, you know, there might have been more to that night than you remember as far as, I don't know if you believe in abduction case scenarios, but, I mean, people talk about such things. And did you ever notice any markings on your body that would have attributed to the blood or did he? At the time, I don't recall either of us particularly seeing anything on our bodies. That doesn't mean it wasn't there, but I don't have a memory of us seeing something on our bodies of where the blood may have come from. Again, that doesn't mean it wasn't the case that it was there, you know, but I just, I don't recall.

Okay. And as far as, you know, how that could have happened and stuff, I mean, you just kind of take it at face value. You don't really venture into a whole lot of extracurricular thought on that one. Well, okay. That's where, this is where over these years, you know, that particular occurrence would have happened around 1976. So over the years, I have, it's dawned on me, you know, as I live. learn what's going on in the world and all that, it's dawned on me that that particular occurrence may very well have tied in

to the reptilian humanoid experiences that my brother had occurred to him when he was at a different household, uh, namely, uh, visiting his grandparents, because he would be at his grandparents every other weekend that I was, that we weren't at my dad's house and I would see him.

I actually have a strong sense now that something visited us from that other pocket of experiences he had with the reptilians and such. I have a feeling that it ties in with that. Okay. Well, then that's a great warm up. Tell me about these experiences he's had and where does it all go? Yes. Okay.

So, well, to start off with my brother, my half-brother would come to see me during the summer for a couple weeks. Again, I lived regularly with my mom and stepdad. Again, my parents had divorced and they each remarried. So my half-brother, because we were such great friends, he would come see me for a couple weeks, you know, be at my mom's house with me during the summer. And one of these times, I believe, if I recall, I think I was, I think I had completed sixth grade and was going into seventh grade. again I was middle school age

and right at the so right at the tail end of one of his visitations during the summer all of a sudden he starts having these memories they're basically like you know flooding in essentially

for some crazy reason his memory had been blocked and all of a sudden he's remembering these things and I don't know if I had to do with him being away from his house and his grandmother's house or whatever, something triggered him to recall things that happened to him. And so he goes to tell me these things.

And so, yeah, this would have been, so this would have been, again, approximating. It seems to be the case from what I can mathematically deduce, his memory may have have been blocked somewhere in the, I'm just going to say maybe somewhere around four years, give or take a year, I'm guessing. So, so these memories that came to him, he has a hard time talking about this kind of stuff. He's kind of, I guess I'd say I'm more spiritually oriented and he's a little more kind of, kind of in the world and materially oriented and such. So he doesn't do well talking about such things.

So I'm in his stead here to relate to you what he shared with me back in those days. And we would talk about it over the years. So it was always, we'd bring it up and rehash it just to confirm everything. and all that. Because I've always been big into confirming things, making sure that, yes, this is real, this happened, and all that. It's very important to me.

Anyway, so these happenings happened in the, oddly enough, in the sort of city area of a small city called All again. and again there's also an Allegan County which is where my dad's house is. So this happened along a street called Main Street, but it wasn't a street that went through the section of town wasn't like right in the main city area. It was sort of, I mean, it was in town, but the way the grandparents' house was, again, these were my step-girls. grandparents. They were my half-brothers, you know, real grandparents. The way their house was, going along the city street heading out of town, their house was perched up on a hill. And this Allegan area had a lot of really deep valleys and stuff with ravines. A lot of,

it was fairly heavy forested in ravines where there were creeks and stuff flowing through. and so my grandparents our grandparents house was up on a hill and they had some of these deep ravine valleys behind them there's no houses there it's just heavily wooded and pretty steep you know valleys and such so anyway a couple houses down uh i think it's i think maybe three houses down even from our grandparents' house, going back down the hill a little bit, was a house that had this really huge tree behind it. It was up on this hill. So you had this house, then, you know, the backyard of the house, and then there was this little stream, and then you'd have to cross over the stream, and then there would be this uphill

incline. And on that uphill incline was this just massively huge tree. I don't know what kind of tree it was. I was too young to be able to ascertain, you know, it wasn't what it was. Looking back at it, but there was this massive tree. And because it was on the edge of the incline, its roots sort of jutted high. out from the bank. You know, they kind of hung down, jutted out. You could see them. And so it was where you could go up there underneath, underneath the root systems and go up underneath there. Well, my brother said when he was, you know, young, and again, this would date back to he would have been somewhere in the five or six year

age would be the guess. He was quite young. He said that children would go and play around that tree a lot. They'd go to these people's yards. I even know the family name of the people that own the house because I had written them a letter later on that I can get into. But he said children would go play up around that tree and that they would refer to it as, you know, as Witches Hollow. Somehow they came up with this name to call this. They were calling it Witches Hollow. Or at least my brother and one friend

would refer to it as Witch's Hollow. So my brother had a friend across the street from our grandparents. The friend lived there. And so when my brother was at the house there, they would sometimes get together and play. And one time they went to go play around this massive tree set in the bank, you know, at this witch's hollow place. And what happened is my brother, for the first time, went all the way up under the roots. And he said there was a hole there.

It was, you know, somewhat sizable hole. I don't know how big the hole was, but there was a hole there. and so he was curious and went up to the hole and looked into it. And when he looked into it, he was surprised or startled because there was essentially this head staged right at the entrance of this, where this hole started. He could see there was sort of like a cave area and there was this head setting there. He said it was really bruised and everything and it scared him.

And he backed down. I think, if I recall, he didn't even tell his friend what he saw. He just backed down and they left. It really kind of scared him. So sometime later, it's unclear how much time had unfolded, but sometime later, my brother goes back alone to the Witch's Hollow place. He goes up under the roots of the tree. goes there and he is met by this reptilian humanoid.

Back then, the way my brother, when he'd tell me what happened, he would call them lizard men. That was the phrase he would use to describe them back then. You called it a lizard man. Because what it looked like was this extremely tall. It was a humanoid figure. It was standing on two legs. It had two arms.

It was an extremely tall thing. He guesses at least eight feet, maybe taller, maybe like eight, nine, ten somewhere in there. He was just extremely tall. This being was sort of a greenish, brownish in color. It had like scales on it. It had a fairly sizable head, sort of a little bit of a conish feature to its head. I had fairly large eyes. Anyway, my brother gets there.

He sees this. This thing tells him, this being tells him that he was expecting my brother. He had been waiting for him. He knew he was coming. this being and again everything I'm relating to you is what my brother can remember

so so this is this is what it is so I don't you know there may be other things that were blocked or you know I don't know but this is what he remembers

this thing was friendly to my brother it was expecting my brother it would not allow my brother to come into the to the cave area, which I'll explain in a minute, what that looked like.

It would not allow my brother in because of the potential danger. It just would interact and had exchanges with my brother right there while he was at the entrance. And it would communicate with my brother when he would telepathically.

It would communicate telepathically. So he was being talked to in his mind as far as the communication goes. And he was essentially, well, what he was seeing was there was this cavern, a small cavernous area. there was a tunnel that went off towards the back that he could see, you know, basically straight ahead from where he was standing. Then there was another tunnel area that went off to the right. And the one that went off to the right, he could, my brother, he could see that there was a, some, basically a statue of one of these,

lizard men. It was a fairly tall statue likeness of a lizard man creature. And the cave area was illuminated with a basically

some sort of a green illuminance. He couldn't see any particular like main light source per se. It was just as though it basically was sort of had a green glow to it and that was the light. He didn't know what the light source was, but it was greenish and allowed him to, you know,

to see what he could see. And my brother, his name is Rick. Rick was told that he apparently was led to believe that this reptilian talking to him was, you know, something good because it wasn't harming. him and it told him that basically in the earth are these are there are another world of beings living in there and there's a large scenario going on of good versus evil um so that that may basically entail that basically entails

what I can recall of a first the first visit he had there and I think there are two other visitations that entail the other aspects to what I will

bring up occurred to my brother that again that he can recall so that was that was the first visit It's sort of his introduction. Before we get to, my mind is really right now. So before you get to the other visitation, I think maybe you said there was two more. I want to ask you, did he mention about the first experience he had, the head that he saw,

it was bruised? Was that head attached to anything? Was it a disattached head? It was a disattached head. It was as though one of these beings that lived in there. it had been it had been decapitated the essence

you know that was felt from it was you know it had happened in a fight and it was basically he had the sense or it was told directly I don't recall that the head was there as a sort of scarecrow

to scare people off or away from that entrance if they do if they did go up into there it was basically being used as a a scarecrow he had ascertained. I got you. Okay. And that, so he sees his head and he decides to go back.

And, you know, now that I know that, it almost seems like understandable. Kids curiosity, you see something crazy. It probably scared them. But once you get used to the thought in your head of what you saw, I would imagine curiosity gets the best of you, especially like, I mean, when I was a kid, very adventurous, loved going the woods, trying to find hidden secrets, all that stuff, you know. And so it's, it's that curiosity factor of a child and maybe even adults, because I still have that. And you go back to expect to see the head and maybe inspect it, but then you're met with this entity. Now, did he mention

about the head being reptilian or human? It was, from what I recall, not reptilian. It was, one of these sort of enemies of a reptilian. He said, if I recall, he said it was really kind of bruised looking. That was the wording he had used back then. He had said it looked like it was really bruised up, whatever that means exactly, you know, black and blue or whatever. Unfortunately, I can't precisely say what sort of a head it was, because I will get into one particular, it was as though there were at least a couple different forms of enemies that these reptilians had. And one of them was kind of a shorter being that, again, back in our, back in the day,

when he's relating these things to me as a child, he said one of these things sort of almost looked like they were demons or something. And really, I've put this together being older. Now, they may have even looked somewhat like the gray alien type things. That's not a confirmation, but it's, I'm wondering if that's the case. Fascinating. Fascinating. So he comes across his entity, eight to ten feet tall, absolutely huge.

and it's expecting him. It has telepathic abilities to speak to him. There's a good versus evil war going on underground that it tells him. Did he get the sense that this reptilian was on the side of the good or the evil? I mean, I guess if the reptilian is saying this, that the reptilian would believe that it was on the side of the good side, whatever that side would be. But did he ever get a sense of maybe, because I mean, everything that I hear about reptilians is they're no good, they're evil and stuff. up. What was his perception? Was the reptilian the good guy? Right. Yes. At the time, the essence was good. And again, my brother is, you know, I don't know and my brother doesn't know if there's memories, or if things happen that he still doesn't recall. But the general essence was he was that my brother, you know, he was being looking, after and shown things and that therefore the thing was, you know, this lizard man was,

you know, so-called good, whatever, you know, to the degree it supposedly didn't, or, you know, that it didn't take my brother. I guess you could, you know, you could call that good in itself, you know, so. Wow. Okay. So now that we got that kind of clarified and stuff here, before you get into the other two experiences here, I want to just share with the audience kind of like where I'm coming from with this because I never know what to think about when it comes to the reptilian topic. I mean, I hear the stories. I hear people say, you know, reptilians exist and they believe it. You know, we've all, I mean, hopefully people have heard of David Ike and he talks about his experiences. And, you know, a lot of

people just chalk it up as crazy talk, whatever, whatever. When I first started the show, I, to, you know, maybe some people's surprises and stuff, I didn't really dabble in talking about or even looking into some of the topics we now talk about in the show. And I learned about a lot of topics through interviewing people and their experiences. So I value my own show a lot because it's a great source of information for me. When I first started podcasting, I used to be a parking enforcement officer in Reading, Pennsylvania in my early 20s. And part of my route in the afternoon was I would stopped by this one building and I was just chop it up with this one security guy that was always standing outside around my age. I was just like talking to him. And I ran into him. He was now

working security at a Best Buy shortly after I started the podcast. And I ran into him and I was like, hey, man, I haven't seen you in a while. We started talking. And I told him what I've been doing, you know, as far as trying to start a podcast, paranormal. And he's like, man, what do you talk? do you talk about the reptilians? And at that time, I was like, reptilians. What is this guy talking about? But to him, I was like, oh, yeah, absolutely. I know all about the reptilians. And I mean, I totally had no clue what he was talking about. And so I let him tell me. And he was telling me how, you know, he was very cryptic. Like he was almost like he didn't want to tell me kind of thing. But I was very curious, like this reptilian thing. I mean, I had heard about it, but I really didn't know much about it,

you know? He tells me that in the area, meaning the area that I live in, there are reptilians, and they walk among us, and this, that, and the other. And I was like, holy crap, like, this is crazy, right? Put it in the back of my head kind of thing. And over the years, I've ran into him again, we talk and stuff, and he just kind of shares a little bit here, a little bit there, very cryptic, though. Didn't really seem like he wanted to talk a whole lot about it. He even told me once that just talking about it and pursuing the topic can kind of get you in a little bit of water, hot water. And so recently, very, very recently, I reached out to him and I said, man, listen, I want to know what you know about these things in the area. I just want to know. And so we've

been talking. And he told me that in Pennsylvania, in the general area that I live, there are known locations of underground, underground entrances to caverns that these things exist in, whether they live there or what. And he told me that one of the entrances, he told me a location that I'm going to be pursuing. He told me not to. He told me this information and he said, but man, I'm telling you, don't, don't mess with this stuff. And I told him, I said, I'm already strapping my boots on. So like, I'm going to be, I just, listen, Excuse me. I can't help myself.

I've said it before on the show. I am literally like a kid in the candy store with this kind of stuff. I cannot help myself. I have to look at it. And so I'm going to be going to this location he told me about, and I'll be looking for a quarry. Now, in Pennsylvania, I don't know where it is, how it's like in the rest of the world, but in Pennsylvania, there are tons of quarries.

And a lot of the quarries in this area were old mine shafts that, you know, back in the day when they hit a spring, they would pump the water out overnight with gas powered pumps. And at times, those pumps would shut off sooner than they thought. And so the water would fill up the quarry. And if they got too full, they would just abandon the project and all the equipment's on the bottom of the quarry. But he told me that in one of these quarries, in the area of one of these quarries, is the underground entrance. And so I'm going to be highly pursuing this because it's in my backyard. And I just can't have. help myself. So if I ever disappear, you guys just know the reptilians got me. But hearing your

brother's experience talking about the underground entrance that he came across, it just, it kind of really relays to what this guy told me, confirms that these things, you know, might exist underground. And it makes you wonder when you hear about people talking about, like, the rake and the description of the rake. A lot of times it's described as a very pale entity that, you know, might, maybe it lives underground, very thin. So maybe it's one of these entities or creatures that do live underground, whether it's reptilian or something completely different. But with that said, Brian, I just want to let the audience know where I'm coming from with this. I'm going to hand it back over to you, go back into your brother's other experiences here.

Yes, I appreciate what you're saying. That is, yes, very intriguing. So again, I guess I'll just remind people the interesting thing about this is too. I am aware of David Ike's material. The interesting thing is with this, with this stuff, you know, this stuff would have happened to my brother in, again, basically the mid-70s. He told me about it around 80, 81, somewhere in there. So this stuff I've carried in my mind all these years. And then it absolutely blew my mind when I came across, the first material of David I came across was he had a

book that was called The Biggest Secret. And that came out in 1999. I believe that was his first book to talk about the reptilians. And it absolutely, I just could not believe

that there was someone talking about it in such, because I had been carrying it with me, all those all those years, you know, I just couldn't believe. It's like, oh my gosh, someone is actually talking about this and has it in a book. It just blew my mind. And so many of the things that or a number of aspects of, you know, things that he was exposing,

you know, that people had related to him, confirmed, you know, what my brother had seen, you know, as a child back in the 70s. So it is a really neat confirming experience. You know, I always knew my brother that had experienced this stuff, but it was, of course, great to hear it from a totally external source as well. So, yeah, so, again, as far as as I know, it's basically what I can gather, sitting here myself without my brother here, I believe he went back one or two other times to the entrance itself.

And so that'll cover these next two things that I bring out. Okay. So another memory he has, I'm going to kind of just present them as little snippets of the memories that he had, the specific highlights that were important, you know, that he recalled. So one thing that happened is he was told that, and again, this is so confirmed down the road, but it was crazy, you know, information back then. He was told that, well, basically one of the, one of the, you know, so-called evil, evil sets of entities that were the enemies of these lizard men

were something that my brother called, he called them witches. And that was because, again, he's attempting to relate things to me in a way that they look to him as a child and that, you know, the way we could talk about it. So he said there was this other group of beings, He said they looked like, he said they looked like stereotypical witches, you know, Halloween-type witches.

I guess they had a sort of greenish skin and such. And let's see, where was I going with that? Yeah, that was, he said that those, that these evil beings in the earth would kidnap surface children. in other words, you know, surface humans, that they would kidnap them from the surface and that they would use them either as slaves or that they would, or that they would eat them, one of the two. and so my brother saw one one occurrence where there was going to be a slave trade go on that would go on and apparently for whatever reason within the earth as well gold is very much in demand and it's prized and sought after just as it is on surface and so what it occasionally would go on is these, the good ones that were living in the earth would trade gold to the

evil ones in order to be able to release. My brother was being told they were releasing the children. Again, I don't know that that was really going on, but that's what he was told. And so one scenario he saw was a procession came from the rear entrance of some children being led in by some evil entities. Again, I believe they were some of the ones that looked more, had the sort of more, you know, demon, or gray alien type look to them, they led in this procession of children. And then from the right and from the right cavern came a procession where he said there was this one woman,

she was wearing a sort of flowing white robe gown sort of a thing. She was sort of leading this process. session and then and then a couple of entities came and I don't recall I don't recall per se if it was lizard men or what but two beings came in behind her carrying a trunk of gold and so my brother witnessed this essentially

you know kidnapped children exchange go on gold for children So he saw that. Another thing that he witnessed was when he was, when my brother Rick was at the entrance, having an exchange with the lizard man. Apparently this lizard man that would talk to him, my brother basically had ascertained that it was a fairly high-ranking one, whatever that meant. So one time while my brother was having an exchange with him, all of a sudden this, one of these witch-type beings flew out from the back, the back tunnel area on a, it was basically mounted on a flying serpent sort of a thing.

He said it looked sort of like what one may call like a drag. and it had wings and he said this witch type creature was mounted on it and it was charging at my brother to get my brother and this this the lizard man had a a sort of battle axe type weapon that it would carry and as this thing charged toward my brother to get him he said the reptilian whacked the head off of the witch. So that happened right in front of my brother's eyes. So those are the experiences that I can recall that happened while my brother is right at the entrance. Wow.

Well, I'll tell you, man, that is insanely fascinating because when you mentioned about the whole underground marketplace pretty much of kidnapped people. kids. The first thing that popped into my head was missing 411. So there's just another element to that whole mystery of people going missing in the woods and stuff. Maybe people are getting kidnapped and drug underground for underground trade markets with these reptilians and witches and God knows what else is down there. I'm assuming you've heard of missing 411 before, right? Yes, I have. Yes, I have. Okay. So I definitely thought about that. But one more question I have before we wrap things up for this first segment. I wanted to ask you why, and maybe your brother had a

thought on this, but maybe you do too. Why was your brother allowed in to begin with on multiple occasions? Did he sneak in? It didn't sound like he sneaked in because he saw this at reptilian on multiple occasions, but why do you think he was allowed to experience and witness some of these things? That is a very good question. He can't answer that. He can't answer that. that. I'm quite sure of that. He never has. And, you know, yeah, I guess I mean, I guess I can't even really give a theoretical response to that. You know, it's one of those things where, and the funny thing is, this, even though it's the oddest thing, even though the things happened to my brother, they were far, far more significant to me

because they sent me just deeply reeling on a quest for truth in life in general. And really these things are the seeds of, you know, a spiritual path in life, you know, seeking to know God deeply, fully, and looking to know what's going on. on no matter what it is, I want to see it. So, you know, for some reason, things happen to certain people.

And maybe the bottom line of it is, is just simply was meant to be. And that's that. You know, I don't, it's a great question, but that's all I can give an answer of there, you know. Yeah, I understand. I mean, especially since you're not the one to experience it. So you're getting everything secondhand. But I just wanted to ask that because I'm, I'm thinking of myself, my gosh, like why was he even allowed near there multiple times,

especially after meeting the entity the first time. But we're going to wrap this up here, friends. We're going to go into a whole other overtime segment, which God knows how long that's going to be because we got a lot of stuff to hit on. Brian, I want to hit on in this overtime segment. Some of the more experiences your brother had around town relating to what he experienced here. But then we're going to get into more of your paranormal experiences that you experienced throughout, I think you said it was the Air Force. At your 26th birthday party, you say you had a visit from

Jesus Christ, which is interesting, fascinating. I want to hear about that. And we're also going to get into the satanic ritual abuse side of things that you were involved in with deliverance and things like that. I'm fascinated by that stuff. And I want to hear about how somebody on the inside goes about these kind of things. So, Brian, thanks for being here. And if you're a member, go to the overtime segment right now because it is available there for you to hit play. and listen to. Thanks for listening to the show, everybody. And Brian, thanks for being here with us, man. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where or how you share the show. Just share the

show if you enjoyed it. That's the best thing you can do to help the show grow. And just a reminder, if you're a member, go over to the overtime section right now because there is a whole other side of this conversation where Brian goes into even more stories about the reptilians and it's locked and loaded, ready to go. And until next week, friends, stay safe. Take care. And remember. Remember, the truth will set you free, but first he'll piss you off. Bye. Sands? Sands, wake up. What is it, dude?

A human has fallen from the surface world. Really? And you got a bone to pick with him. No time for pardons. Come on, that was a real rip-tickler. Hey! Enough! All right, here we go again.

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