The Confessionals - 33: UFOs In Oklahoma

Episode Date: September 2, 2017

On Episode 33, Bryan from Oklahoma shares his paranormal experiences and accounts of UFOs he encountered as a child. He also divulges some compelling theories about how he thinks UFOs could be operating! Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel Tony's Instagram: tony_merkel Tony's Facebook: www.facebook.com/tbmerkel Outro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B61F6Druf9M

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I am your host, Tony Merkel, and I am really glad that you're here, and I'm really glad to be here. Before we get into tonight's show, I want to let you know that if you had an encounter of any kind that you'd like to share with me to get on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email at the Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com or go to the website the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the connection section and you can reach me that way as well. And if you're a fan of the show, I'd really appreciate it if you consider supporting the show by becoming a member.

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Brian, how are you? Doing pretty good, Tommy. Thank you. Thanks for being here and thanks for putting the time in with me. We talked about an hour before the recording even started. I appreciate it, man. man. So talk to us about your UFO settings because you sent me the email and this was a little bit a while back, but it's a very detailed email that you sent me and go into what you experienced.

Well, in the email, it describes something that happened when I was probably around nine or ten years old. and basically what happened was, you know, I was with a bunch of neighbor kids and there was three or four of us around there and we were playing in our backyard. And, you know, we live kind of out and, you know, a couple miles out of town. So we had basically just a big pasture behind us. And as we were playing, we kind of noticed a light. There was to the north, directly above us, to the north of us, just above the tree. line, there was just this white light just hanging out there. You know, we didn't think anything much about it because, you know, like, you know, hey, there's an airport, you know, real close to us,

and it just kind of looked like an airplane with landing lights on. So we went back to playing, and we were just doing what kids were doing, and we kind of noticed that, hey, that thing is still there. And it was in the exact same spot, just due north of where we were at. And, so then we started thinking that's kind of odd because it had been several minutes and so we're like well is it a helicopter you know we're kind of like what could it be could be a helicopter but you know we were even thinking that was kind of odd because usually a helicopter you can see moving around or if it's hovering it's bounced around but this light was just totally still so we went back to playing and you know didn't think much about it anymore and then as As we were playing, I kind of look up and to the west, I see this object. And it was just, as your, I think it was your second podcast, Roger, I think it was. He described this very well. He said it was just gliding by, and that's exactly what I saw.

There was this object that was just gliding by. And it was a kind of a, like he said, I hate going back to what Roger said, but it's exactly a good description, a squashed football. It was a round object, and it had a very kind of, you know, exactly like a squashed football. And it had lights on each side of it, and they're almost like domes, one on top and one on bottom. something around the sides. And I don't remember the exact colors, but they were different colors. But I do remember on top and bottom, there were these white lights. And it just glided right by us.

I mean, we sat there and watched it for about three or four seconds as it went past this. And as it did this, it made no sound whatsoever. And, you know, you got the feeling that it was powered. It wasn't like it was something. something floating around in the wind. I mean, it was, it was moving, just gliding by, and it kind of starts going to the south of us, and we're like, that was weird, and then we went back to playing. You know, as kids, you were like, wow, that was kind of, it was interesting, but, you know, what was that? But it stuck out to me because, you know, even at that age, you know, I grew up

building models and model airplanes, and I always had an interest in, you know, aviation and stuff. And I had a pretty good idea of what things should look like when they're flying. And this looked nothing like that. And, you know, I recreated that in the email I sent you, Tony, the picture. And you can post that as well if you, if you would like. It's just a, but it was a very interesting experience. And it always stuck with me because I knew it was something that was not normal.

and, you know, I considered it a UFO immediately. And, you know, even the next day I told my dad. And my dad was like, well, maybe it was a balloon or maybe it was a, you know, a remote control airplane or something. And I was like, no, it was, we didn't make any noise. And it did. It just glided right past us. and it was just it was very interesting. Where in the country did this happen?

This happened in Ufala, Oklahoma. And Ufala is kind of in the southeast part of, well, I wouldn't say southeast, kind of more of the central part of Oklahoma, towards the eastern part of the state. And, you know, we're right on a big lake right there. and you know again where where I grew up we were had a neighborhood just a couple miles out of town and we were just kind of isolated out there and in that in that period of time this this happened probably in the early 80s and during that period of time I mean we all saw lights in the sky it was it was it wasn't that unusual it was kind of interesting but um anyway that's that's pretty much the gist of that of that encounter or that that siding, I guess you can say.

Yeah. Now, when this thing was passing you, how'd you feel? Like, did you feel physically any different as if it was, there was something, maybe even coming off of it as far as vibes go? You know, like sometimes people describe that they felt like inside, like there was something hitting them. Some people say with the big foot, it's infrared kind of thing. Did you feel anything physically different when this passed you by or nothing really?

No, I never felt anything different. It didn't, I didn't get any kind of creepy feeling from it or I didn't get any, you know, strange, you know, like as if sound or electromagnetic energy or anything was going through us or through me or anything. It was just this object and this guy going by. and you know it could be because you know as kids we were just we were just playing and we didn't have you know anything that was outside of what we were doing really was affecting us but we did find it odd I mean looking back on it it was almost like it was watching us in a way because that white light that's what really got me as I as I look back on it is that white light above the tree it was there for 15 minutes at least in the same spot and it was just a white light above the trees

and that's what I find really odd and then it was like it was like I said it was almost like I was watching this even though I didn't have that feeling at the time but looking back that's almost what like what it was doing and then it decided to show us what it was and we saw this UFO, this craft or whatever, just go right past us. Do you think that the white light was the UFO, or do you think there are two different things? I think it was the UFO. There's no other, in my mind, there's no other logical explanation for it because we noticed the light first. And, you know, we speculated as whether it was a helicopter. Of course, at first we thought it was an oncoming airplane with its landing lights on, but it never

it never moved. Every time we looked at it, those few times that we looked back up there, it was in the exact same spot. And so to me, that's what it was. When I saw that thing flying by, I was like,

that was what that was. And again, it wasn't that far away from me. It was probably, I had to say roughly about 100 feet in the air. Now, this was daytime, too. I mean, it wasn't like at night where it was really obscure. This was during the daytime. It was, I would say, a couple hours, hour and a half or so before sundown.

So I was able to see it pretty well. And there's a road just probably about 200 yards to the west of us. and what it looked like it was doing was just going over the you know that right down that road and that's what it looked like to me so I didn't look like it was that far away and size wise I would have to say it was probably about the size of a of a school bus if you will and in the the middle portion of it

kind of had a metallic look to it it wasn't shiny it was just kind of a a just a grayish kind of metal look to it and

in of course the lights and I know in that second episode with Roger he did a pretty good description of what he saw and that's what made me contact you because And I was like, I saw almost the exact same thing. Except for he mentioned the lights that I saw didn't move around.

But what he described was like, that is very close to what I saw. And I was like, man, maybe, you know, it's pretty cool. Because I've never heard anyone else see something very similar to what I saw. So, yeah, it makes me wonder, are these things, I mean, what you saw and what he saw, was it the same thing? Or was it a similar thing that was made by the same, let's just say entities, whether you believe it's people or alien or whatever you believe it is, were they built by the same, you know, grouping of entities? But these things, unless you believe they're interdimensional, but that opens a whole other, you know, rabbit hole. It just makes me one. wonder, you know, where are these things being designed and built, you know? And was what you saw built or designed by the same thing that Roger saw, you know? You know, I would, I would say that it wasn't the same thing, but it could have been like a different model, you know, hey, this was the

year 80 model, you know, I don't know, but I get the feeling that it could have been built and designed by the same entity or the same, you know, whatever, whatever. And, again, kind of like just a different model, if you will. But, yeah, you raise a good question, you know, if these things are being built, or if they are, you know, something from an entity that's here. Now, if they're interdimensional, then, of course, they could be built. another dimension and come over. So, you know, that would be where they were built.

And but if they are being built here, you know, where would they be built? And you hear about all these deep underground military bases and deep underground UFO bases. And, you know, I think there may be some, some plausibility to that. And, you know, I also kind of think, too, I mean, the lake that was. we have is a man-made lake. You know, and I started thinking, if you start looking at all these man-made lakes, it would be a great way to hide an entrance to some sort of underground base, if you will.

And, you know, here in Oklahoma, there are a couple of areas that are known for UFO-type activity and one being towards the northern part of the state, which is actually captures the, if you look at the southeast part of Kansas, it's known for as kind of a hot spot for some strange lights and UFO activities. And, you know, I don't know if you're, if you're familiar with the 37th parallel. Not totally no. The 37th parallel is, is kind of known as, a UFO highway. And, you know, around the, around the world, pretty much, from what I understand. So, you know, if you can Google 37th parallel, you'll see maps.

And that 37th parallel is right on the northern edge of Oklahoma and Kansas. I mean, it's the border. That's the 37th parallel. And I always, you know, I didn't know that until here recently, started looking at some of this stuff. And I was like, hey, you know, that's kind of interesting because, during that time period we would always see

these strange lights in the sky and they generally have a northern direction to them you know whether or not that there's anything to that or not but it would make sense if they're heading towards

the 37th parallel to go to wherever this supposed UFO superhighway you know that makes sense that they'd be going that direction yeah that would make makes sense. I mean, I haven't really heard about the 37th. I've heard of it, but I don't really,

I haven't really talked to anybody to explain it to me before. Now, I was talking to a guy that was posting on Facebook some pictures of a possible UFO. Now, it was interesting about this is what you mentioned, the whole water idea, because he, he was taking a video of a storm coming in, from the bay that he lives on. And it was lightning and everything. Once he takes his video, he goes back to look at it and he sees the lightning striking and he was trying to still frame the lightning so he could make it a picture. Right. And within the frames of this lightning bolt striking, you see something coming out of the water.

And it's in, he has, you have three different pictures. Now, in each picture is the same lightning bolt. That's how fast this has. happened. But the UFO or the, yeah, well, yeah, it's UFO. Unidentified Fliding flying object came out of the bay. It was in midframe and then exiting the frame, all within the same lightning strike. That's how fast the thing was moving. And he might come on the show, but maybe he won't now that I just told the story. That was during, that was during a hurricane that came through there, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Have you seen his pictures? Actually, I think he had

mentioned this before. Oh, got you. Okay. Well, let me all edit this out. No, I was going to. No, but I just find that interesting because of what you said and stuff. It's definitely something that I think is, you know, possible. Yeah, I absolutely think so too. And I think there's, you know, definitely something that could be to that. But, you know, as far as, as far as UFO activity in where I grew up there in Eufa, I've never really had anyone, anyone, anyone, everyone, else tell me that they saw anything. But one thing I find interesting as far as the, like, the UFOs that I've seen in this town, I've been with other people.

You know, it's not like it was just me, you know. So, anyway, I think there is something to the water aspect of things. There definitely could be, you know, and, you know, I theorize that, you know, my own little conspiracy theory, if you will. what if there was something to that lake when they built it? Because I built that dam in 64. And, you know, it's a, again, it's a great way to cover up any kind of secret entrance to something or other. You know, in the UFO that I saw, it was heading south at that particular time.

And again, it was roughly about 100 feet in altitude. And where it was heading goes into the lake. I mean, it wasn't just a couple miles down the road before you hit the lake. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, if you think of it this way, with the whole idea of the lake as a cover, we're not aquatic people. You know, we're like, we, I say aquatic people. We're not aquatic.

We don't go into the water for long periods of time. And really what we do is very few people do it. but what we do is we go on the surface of the water. That's a very small percentage of what is actually there as far as water goes. And it's like if you were to walk to the edge of the woods and just walk the edge of the woods the whole time and say you know everything that's inside the woods, you don't if you just walk the edge of the woods, you know? Exactly. And it's the same thing with this whole water idea is, you know, we're just going on the surface of the water.

on these big bodies of water, we have no idea what's all down there. Like, for example, the lockness, they say that there could be huge caves within the walls of that lock, that if the Loch Ness monster's real, it's feasible that it might actually go into these caves. And that's why you don't see it all the time, because it actually lives within these caves underneath the water. Well, they theorize this because the thing is so big, they can't cover the whole thing underneath the surface of the water. And that's just one location out of this huge earth. So it's definitely something that makes sense in my mind. Yeah, and some of these things that are coming out in these videos that you see with looking at Google mapping the ocean floor.

They're finding some very strange and odd structures and things that. are down there. And I find that a very interesting, implausible way of where you see these UFOs going. If they are not going interdimensionally, physically going someplace, that would be a great place to go. Yeah, I've seen some things, too. Have you seen the wall that apparently stretches the entire way around the globe? Have you seen that video? I haven't seen that one, no. If I can find it, I'll send it to you. It's a video of this wall that Google Earth has captured with their software. And somebody found it on Google Earth where you zoom in and it's just a straight line wall in the water and it just goes. And they say it just wraps around the world. It's just very incredible. Like I watched a video and I'm thinking maybe it's a glitch, you know, within the software. I don't know. But it. It's, it. It's just very incredible. Like I watched the video and I'm thinking maybe it's a glitch, you know, within the software. I don't know. But it. It. It's just. It's just very incredible. It's just it looks like a wall in the water. It just keeps stretching and stretching.

And you see gaps, like, almost like there were, there were doorways or something. And then it picks up the wall again and keeps going for miles and miles and there's another gap. Yeah, it's interesting stuff. Yeah, I totally think there's something to it. Definitely. I mean, they have that video showing there's these mile and a half wide round structures or, you know, look like those. but you can see where it looks like it's moved. You can see a trail in it, which is kind of crazy.

But anyway... Well, I wanted to ask you, before you move on to the next story here, I wanted to ask you just simply, when this thing, you know, for lack of better terms, exited the frame, did it shoot off or did it just kind of just drift away? It was going on in the same heading, in the same direction, at the same speed.

And we essentially, watched it for several seconds and it we were just like well that was interesting we went back to playing so I never watched it disappear I never watched it shoot away or anything it was just it went past us and and we were we got bored at looking at this we knew it was odd and weird and we were like you know let's go back to playing you know this is funner so it it didn't do anything odd or strange and we just essentially took her eyes off of it and And, but, you know, I was able to observe it for a long enough time, and it is, you know, stuck with me this entire time. So.

I talked to a guy last night that had a UFO encounter very up close like yours. And he said something that you just said not too long ago, which is that he thought it was aware of them and was actually observing them. And that's what you said, too. And if I remember correctly, it's been a while since I heard the. interview, but I think Roger said something similar, didn't he? It seems like he may have. I can't recall right at the top of my hand, but it's possible. It's interesting. And, you know, I think there's a good chance that it is. And especially being kids, you know,

you hear a lot of these stories that happen to kids. And everything that I kind of saw, I do have a couple other, not as interesting as this sighting, but when I was younger around the same time period I was with my sister and my cousin and we were in town and it was it was at night and there was a there was a you know it was a big bright moon that night and we were laying on the back of the car you know you know you lay on the trunk and look up the stars and we were just sitting there talking and we see a perfect triangle it was a a triangle of lights. There was, you know, exactly like you would see a triangle. The same, you know, like you, like a pyramid. And we see these lights just going to the north. And it looked like it was at a pretty good altitude. But, you know, we used to see aircraft fly over all the time. And you know what an aircraft looks like. You see the, you see the strobes and you see the red and green. These were three. perfectly aligned triangle and it just went right above our heads and just went off to the north and we never heard any engines, never heard any sounds or anything. But it was odd. Like I said, it was a triangle. And, you know, I kind of, my skeptical side says, you know, this could have been, you know this is about the time when the f117 fighter was being

test flown and whatnot so it kind of had a triangle shape too so looking back I'm saying well maybe that's what we saw before everyone knew it but you know it was a very very odd thing to see a triangle flying across the sky yeah I'll say yeah you don't normally see that so you know that that was one of the other interesting things that I've seen there. How far was it from you? At that time, I would have to say, this was,

it looked like it had some altitude. It looked like it was probably about what you would see a normal jet airliner going, you know, 20, 30,000 feet. That's what I got the sense of it being, this triangle. It didn't seem like it was close. So, you know, it's totally plausible that,

you know, any kind of noise because I know that the stealth fighter aircraft is they have a lot of noise suppression on them. I'm not saying it's either one of those but you know it was a very interesting

you know interesting signing again to see a triangle like across the sky like that. Yeah absolutely and it's funny because you hear people talk about these triangles that they see fly through the sky and you know you're just adding one more story to

validate these people's experiences with these crazy objects in the sky. Exactly. And I've heard a lot of those people talk about that. And I'm like, I've seen a triangle too. That's crazy. And of course, this happened again in the early 80s. It was quite a while ago. Now, I'm sorry, go ahead. I wanted to ask you, this triangle, did you get a sense that it was three separate lights? Or do you think it would, did you get a sense that it was a solid object with just lights on each corner? That's a good question. I got the sense that it was a solid object

with three lights on each corner. I didn't get the sense that they were three separate lights that were flying in uniform or whatever. But I got the sense that it was a solid object in between them. And it didn't fly in front of the moon to where we could see a definite, shape or silhouette.

But you did get the sense that it was a solid object in between there. Okay. And the lights, they weren't projecting light. They were just illuminated. Yeah, they were illuminated. And, you know, they were, if you look at Mars at night, you know, Mars has a pretty, it's a little bit brighter than, you know, the rest of the lights or stars you see in the sky. it had an illumination about like that.

It was definitely larger and brighter than everything else in the sky, but it was a perfect triangle that just went right across the sky. So there's one more for the triangle UFO people out there. Now, something else I would chalk up as my, basically my third UFO type of siding was also in, you follow, but it happened much later. Now, this one, I have more of a man-made feel to this one. You know, the whole black helicopter type thing, which I find interesting. But anyway, we were in town.

This happened when I was much older, probably my early 20s. And there's a group of us. We were in the middle of town. And it was probably around, you know, midnight, 1 o'clock or whatnot. And we were all outside. and I just happened to catch something out of the corner of my eye and moving in the sky. And you know how when you see, say, like,

a flock of geese flying over a city or something, the streetlights project light, you know, up into the above the treetops a little bit. And you can see those geese or whatever flying from the light reflecting off the street lights. Well, I saw something and it had to be at least 40 or 50 feet above the tree line. And it was like it was a flat black solid object.

It had no lights, it had no illumination, but you see a mass there. And like I said, it almost looked like there was a flat side to it and a bottom to it. And it was moving at a steady, oh, gliding, again, another good. great explanation or a great description of its movement as it was gliding and and i was like hey look look look and my buddy jumped up and he saw it too and we both talked about it after we saw this and we saw the same thing and it was something going above the tree line and it made no noise and it was it had to been only a half a block away from us and you know we joked around about it because we we we had heard that people say, yeah, there's black helicopters flying out here, you know.

You know, the whole government black helicopter thing that flies around. So, you know, it's a UFO. I don't know what it was, but I did see something flying around that made no noise and had no lights, and it was not anything that was biological. Gotcha. Yeah, it's interesting. So those are essentially my three UFOs that I've seen up close. And of course, again, I've seen plenty of lights do strange things.

And we've seen them go across the sky and just all of a sudden just start moving back and forth real quick and just disappear. Or we'd see four or five lights moving around kind of almost in unison, but they would just kind of. it didn't look like aircraft. I mean, you just don't see aircraft doing these types of things. And our whole neighborhood, like I said, our parents and everybody would be outside looking at this stuff. It was pretty wild. So all this stuff happened in the same area. Yes.

And it all happened in the same area. And, you know, again, it wasn't like it was just one of us seeing this. It was our whole neighborhood would see these things. And we would talk about it. It was like, oh, look, look, look, the lights. And, you know, we'd go get her parents and we'd see these things and be like, what is that? You know, we'd all sit out there and speculate and none of us could place it because it didn't look like an airplane. It wasn't, those lights weren't doing things like you would normally see aircraft do.

And so, I don't know. It was just one of those things that we used to see all the time. So going with the whole man-made, this is a government project idea. Right. Is there any military bases around where you live? There's no military bases around where we live. There are military bases north of where we live. in Kansas.

And, you know, I think it's somewhere it's either Kansas or Missouri, I don't remember exactly off the top of my head where the stealth bombers are stationed. And of course, in the, we have a big base in the south-west part of the state near Lotton. And also

we have a military base in Oklahoma City, a Tinker Air Force Base. But where we're at? no so you know could it be something flying from these bases that we could see i think probably so because it would uh we would fall on that that flight path well thinking back to the first thing you saw the the surface level of it i mean you described it as metallic but was there any kind of unique texture or maybe, for lack of better words, pipes or tubing coming out of it that you can

notice, or is it just all just flat? It was all flat. You're talking about the one that I saw in town that was flat black and just reflecting off the lights or the very first UFO that I saw? The very first one that you saw in the distance and it came in. Yeah. No, it was totally round. And I, like the email that I sent you, I told you that I recreated it. And, you know, so basically what I saw is I recreated it in a CAD software. And what I saw was, like, the best description I heard was a squashed football. And it was smooth. It didn't have any pipes or anything, but it had these like dome type of lights on them.

And, you know, it was about, you know, something like, again, about 100 feet off the ground above the tree lines, and it just glided right past us. So, yeah, no, there was nothing on there that made me think man-made on that first. on that first UFO. There was nothing on there that made me think, you know, this is normal that you would see flying. It didn't make me think of a balloon or anything like my dad was thinking,

well, maybe it was a balloon, though. It wasn't. It was, it was, to the definition of a UFO for sure. Is that a story that you told a lot of people or is your dad the only one you really talked to about? Well, I didn't tell a lot of people for many years.

But, you know, I've told, I've gotten to where I'm like, all right, the last couple years, I'm getting into the Bigfoot subject and I'm like, okay. And I'm all into this, the paranormal stuff. And so I'm getting to where I'm starting to tell more people. I'm like, look, I've seen a UFO before, you know, and you get those looks from some of the people with a circle on their head like, oh, crazy. but, you know, it's like I saw something I couldn't explain. And it's something that fits just exactly that, a UFO.

And I've had a couple other coworkers and say, you know, my wife has seen something very similar to that. And so it's opened up conversation that way, which is interesting. So, yeah, it's, that's kind of my, those are my, those are my, UFO stories. Well, they're good, man. I mean, I think a lot of people experience things that just don't talk about it because they don't know who's willing to talk about it and who's going to chastise them. And so it takes one person like yourself for me to open up and just start talking about the stuff with people. And all of a sudden, you start seeing people come to you and saying, I saw this, I saw that. I experienced that at work myself. I've had drivers come to me and tell me, you know, I've seen a UFO.

That's a very common thing. A lot of people see UFOs. And that, and it's a, itself is something that, you know, when you open up and you start telling people that I saw UFO and people kind of look at you funny, to me, that tells me the people that look at you funny just don't spend time thinking about it. Because if they actually spent, just give it two days of looking into, you're going to walk away saying, people are seeing something. What it is, I don't know, but definitely, definitely, definitely. People are seeing something. Exactly. And I'll be the first one that will try to say, well, it could be this, it could be that, it could have been this, could have been that, you know, but yeah, that first UFO I saw, there was, there's,

I can't explain that away. I know what I saw, but there's no, there's no good explanation for it other than UFO, alien, you know, whatever, you, whatever road you want to go down on that. it fits into that that that that wheelhouse right there yeah absolutely yeah UFOs are very fascinating and uh i don't know if you're ever going to get an actual answer as to what these things are and you know to be honest with you they might not be just one thing it might be multiple things and uh you just never know so time will tell yeah and uh you know that's not the Of course, I've seen the UFOs, and again, the other strange thing that I've seen, and I mentioned in the email, is an orb. You know, at the time when I saw it, now, it wasn't your traditional orb that people talk about as far as, you know, you hear about these orbs.

They're usually tennis ball to basketball size and moving in and out of the woods and trees. And, you know, you even mentioned the orb that you had seen. and it wasn't like that what I saw and my dad saw this too we were both driving to my house and as we were coming around the bend we see this orange light just appear in the sky it was above the rise now it looked like it was a good distance away but it wasn't small. It looked like it was, I would say, I mean, it was tough to say because you don't know how far it was, but it looked like it was a long ways away. But it looked like it had pretty good size. And it was just this orange light and it just appeared. And then it rapidly drops towards the

horizon. And just before it hits the horizon, it took a sharp left upward turn and just shot up and just disappeared. And of course, we looked at each other like, what was that? And so he speeds up and he's like driving down the road. What was that? And where did it go? And he's like, it had to be a flare or something. But, you know, you see a flare. Yes, you see a bright light and it falls down, but it sparkles and does whatnot. But this was a solid, amber-colored, orange light that just appeared, fell, and then shot away and disappeared. And it wasn't until the last couple of years I started hearing more stories about orbs and, you know, what the, in World War II, what they call food fighters,

that I started thinking that maybe that's what I saw. Because I never could place that. and so and I kind of label it more as to what what the pilots saw in World War II as a flu fighter because they were larger oranges colored lights they would see that would kind of you know chase their aircraft or whatever and they you know at the time I thought it was just some secret Nazi weapon but you know who knows it could have meant but

yeah you don't know no exactly you sent me this in an email I know we talked about it real briefly, but I wanted to bring it up. If you could explain it at all, that'd be great. It looks pretty complicated. You emailed me a picture of, I don't even know how to pronounce the first word. It looks German to me, but some kind of vortex that you thought might be a possible way that these UFOs could hover going relatively undetected, right? Yes, it's You know, after I had emailed you, I came across a podcast and it started talking about Victor Schaulberger. And Victor Schaulberger was a, I think he was a mathematician or something from Austria or someplace. but anyway, he came up with the Shawburger Vortex. And it's some intriguing, interesting things, and it's based on these vortexes.

But what caught my eye was the shape of what they called some type of engine. And that shape of that engine was the shape of that engine was the shape. shape of that saucer that I saw. So what I found interesting is that maybe that particular shape is that squashed football look is that way for a reason. If it is maybe capturing or using these vortexes as a type of propulsion, whether magnetic or using air or whatever, whatever it's doing, that particular shape was designed to create those vortexes. And when I saw that that image of that Sharberger vortex engine, I was like,

that's it. That's very similar, almost the same shape that I saw flying over that day. And when I recreated my CAD model of the UFO I saw, I was like, you know, that's so close to that shape of that Charberger engine. So anyway, I don't know if there's anything to it, but I thought it could be a, you know, an interesting subject to look into. Yeah, absolutely. And that's what I first thought, too, when you showed me that engine and then you showed me your recreation of what you saw, it looked very similar. And, you know, looking at this diagram and stuff, I mean, it makes sense. And, you know, you just, you don't know. But, you know, but, you know, you just, you don't know. But that would, say this is true.

And what you're saying is, you know, possible. Maybe it would explain a lot, you know. It would explain a lot that maybe these things are more mechanical than biological. Because some people tend to think that they might be biological, the way they move through the sky and stuff. But what you're showing is more mechanical and science and possible. Exactly. It gives a plausible reason for the shape. And it gives a, you know, a science behind it, if you will. And looking at the vortexes. And the podcast I was listening to talks about how the earth and if you look at everything that we, that we are doing, we're sitting still, I mean, I'm currently sitting in my chair. however the earth is rotating the earth is rotating around the sun the sun is rotating around the larger galaxy the galaxy is rotating even more that in itself creates a vortex if you look at what you're driving down the highway you're you're moving along with the earth's etc etc in that that movement creates a vortex and how these vortexes are connected to

you know, everything that we, that in our universe is pretty fascinating. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I'm not one to pretend I understand all the scientific terms and all that jazz, but I do find it interesting. When they have pictures, it helps me a lot. Exactly. So. So you said to me that you had a couple of paranormal experiences that you wanted to share as well. want to go into that? Yes. The first paranormal experience, I would say, which I chalk up as paranormal, which was pretty interesting. It happened when I was very young. I was roughly five years old, a little over four years old. You know, typically you don't remember things when you're that age. But my sister and I both experienced this, and we both, to this day, we'll see. We'll see. still talk about it. And this is when, at this time, I lived in East Texas.

This was when I was, I was actually born in Texas, and this was in East Texas, a little town called Big Sandy. And my sister and I shared a room. She was, she's roughly just a little over a year younger than I am, so she was in that three to four years old range. And I remember opening my eyes and, looking at the door and seeing a figure in the door.

And, you know, at first, I thought it was my mom. But I knew that it didn't make sense that it was my mom because the figure was filling the doorway. You know, its head was roughly about the height of the door. So it, you know, it couldn't have been my mom. But I remember thinking it had to be my mom. Who else could it be? But it doesn't make sense that this figure is filling the door.

And, you know, you know how, you know when there's a full moon outside. And you're outside and there's no other lights on. And you are with somebody else. You can see them pretty good. you know as like a full moon would shine on somebody right and that's what it was doing in the room it was like it wasn't like a light coming off of her it wasn't like anything like that but it was like it was being illuminated by the moon it had that that presence to it if you will so we could see it pretty good and it looked like it had a robe on now that's one of the reasons why

I thought it was my mom because she wore a robe at the time, you know, kind of a long robe, but it had kind of that look to it. And we never could focus on the face. I remember looking at the face, and it was almost as if the face was changing. It was not, it was not, you could see detail, but it wasn't the same. It was like it was just changing. And, you know, again, my sister and I still discusses, we remember that very, very vividly. And I remember essentially it's just like blinking or just closed my eyes and looked up and it was just not there. Never heard anything, never, you know, we had wooden floors at the time.

They creaked. You didn't hear any movement or anybody, any walking or anything. And, you know, you know, the next day, my sister and I asked my mom. Did you come in the room last night? You know, Mom, we saw you last night. What were you doing? And she was like, I didn't go in the room.

She was, I was in bed on night. And of course, my dad, my dad was in bed too. I mean, I never even thought about it being my dad. You know, he wouldn't be that tall. Plus, he didn't look like him or anything. Or, you know, because he didn't wear like a rope, if you will. you know and that's kind of what we saw and I never got scared it didn't scare me neither one of us thought it was scary but it was I just knew that it was something there

and it wasn't my mom it just didn't make it was just too big and of course my mom said well maybe it was your guardian angel and so I like to believe that I like to believe that's what I saw. And I like to believe that, that, that, that, that, that, you know, for real. And, you know, I hear a lot of, I hear a lot of, you know, encounters or ghost stories or whatever. There's a lot of fear associated with a lot of these and a lot of, you know, demonic activities or whatnot. But for what I saw in my sister, what we saw, it never scared us. It didn't. It didn't. it was the one and only time we experienced anything like that, but it was very vivid and very, very real.

And again, it filled the doorway. It couldn't have been my mom. When you described it as its face was changing constantly, it reminded me of another person we interviewed, I think it was episode 17, Jason, he had the encounter where he touched a big foot when he was a kid. Yeah. Real quick story in case anybody's never heard that before, he was a kid,

reached into a bush, and there was a big foot in there. He touched it. Go listen to this show if you haven't heard of yet. It's a very good show. But before he shared that, he talked about a haunting that he had in his house. And he said that, I forget the details, but whatever he was seeing was changing its image right in front of him. The way he described it, though, it seemed like it was almost like it was flashing images,

like changing images. I'm trying to think, like, is that how it was for you? Or was it more like an organic molding that was just constantly shifting and changing? It wasn't flashing, no. it was like it was a solid object like like I said filling the door but it again it had kind of that glow to it if you will as like a full moon was on it but we were in a dark room and it was more organic it was it was just like you know if you were just molding clay in your hand and as you were molding clay you would make these little shapes and whatnot and it was it was just like you know if you were just molding clay and what and whatnot and it was wasn't flashing. It was just solid. It was just

and it never fully formed any type of features that I could remember as nose, eyes, or whatever, but it just seemed like it was just constantly moving or shaping. So you know, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know what that was. But again, it never scared me. It never invoked any type of fear. and that was the one and only time that ever happened. Now, how did leave? I think you said it. I just can't remember.

Yeah, I essentially, it was like I just closed my eyes. It's like, you know, well, maybe mom's just watching over us and just kind of closed my eyes real slow and opened them. And it was just not there. Okay. So it was close your eyes, open them, it's gone. So you didn't have the opportunity to see it fade away or exit one way or another? it was just it was there and then it was gone well it's a good thing that your sister saw it too because I mean the fact that you closed your eyes it was there one minute next time you open your eyes it's

gone I mean if you were the only one to see that you probably would think uh was I seen something or what and plus I was so young too but we both saw the same thing and that's why that memory is always stuck to us because you know that next day I do remember we went to mom mom what were you doing in the bedroom last night, you know? And she was like, we never were. And so my sister and I have always had that same experience. And again, we've, we, between her and I had talked about it several times over the years. And I don't know, it's kind of weird with my, my sister and I, like I said, she's just a little over a year younger than I am.

We've always had some sort of connection to where, you know, it's one of those connections like, you pick up the phone and she's on the other side of the phone. or we say the same things at the same time. I don't know. It's just kind of weird. We've always had this weird connection. Or, you know, even recently, she was like, you're getting into the alien subjects, right?

Yeah, I'm like, how'd you know? She's, I don't know. I just felt like you were. So, I don't know. I don't know if there's anything to that other than just, you know, we were just close siblings, but my other sister and I don't have that connection, which is kind of odd. but I don't know, maybe there was something that stemmed from that.

I mean, it's possible. Who knows? That's very interesting, though. What else happened to you? Well, this happened. I was much older. I was probably in my mid-20s. And, you know, I was hearing Tulsa.

I was sleeping in my bed. It was kind of late afternoon, Saturday after, I would say lay afternoon. It was like late morning on a Saturday. And I was just laying in bed. And you know how it is when you're like, oh, I've got to get out of bed, but I don't want to. And you're just kind of laying there.

And you're like, oh, I've got to go. So you just kind of open your eyes. And when I did, I saw a shape, a figure. It was the shape of a, well, I always called it a little boy. And if you ever, if you ever, like, my cousin and I used to do this lot when we'd be in our room and we'd flash on the lights and we'd turn them off real quick and you get that after image. And, you know, you'd close her eyes. You can still see the room. Then how it just kind of slowly fades away.

That's what it was like. It was a silhouette of what I call a boy. I mean, because that's about the size of it was. And I was laying on the bed. So it was its head, the shape of the head would have been just above where I was laying down, which would be roughly, you know, four feet, I guess you could say. And it was almost like as soon as I opened my eyes, I saw that shape. And it was like it turned itself off and it just faded away. And it wasn't like a quick, just flash and gone.

It's just like when we were kids and we flashed on those lives. and you would get that image of the room, and you'd see the room almost perfect, and it would just slowly fade away. And it took about two seconds, 2001, 1002 for the image just to fade away. It was almost like I caught it, and it just wanted to disappear, but it left a after image, if you will. And it was the perfect shape of a head and shoulders, and it wasn't big or small, but it looked like it was only just it was like I could focus on it about a foot and a half away from it.

And I always called it the little boy. I don't know why. It's just something I always called it and strange things happened in the house. I said, oh, that little boy's back and our cat you see something strange. It just just randomly start looking at the ceiling following something.

I said, oh, the little boy's back. I don't know. It's just something strange and but it I definitely saw something I don't know what it was I mean it's just kind of an odd odd little you know even if it was just something that

you know I don't know I just saw it's hard to explain all this stuff is absolutely I was just going to say that I mean what isn't hard to explain I mean we're explaining the unknown and unexplainable

so no that's absolutely fine what do you think this whole entity thing is you know you saw what you thought at first is your mom in the doorway and what you explained as a little boy and even the UFO thing like just kind of with everything that we talked about tonight you know let's start with UFOs what what's your gut i mean you spend a lot of time thinking about it clearly what what's your gut do you have one way you lean or another or do you think it might be a little bit of everything

You know, I think there's definitely a little bit of everything where, you know, maybe you would hear about the Nazis developing these UFOs and everything. Yeah, I think there could be a total legitimate thing, you know, like the Sharburger engine. You know, there could be a legitimate machines being built by humans or whatever. but my gut says that that's just the surface or whatever in that it is more on the side of demonic and more on the side of of you know my personal belief when you start looking at everyone seeing aliens and everyone's seeing or talking about aliens i i believe they're more on the demonic side of things. And, you know, it's just, it makes more sense to me that way for some reason. You know, it's most likely because I do come from a Christian background. And I used to talk with my dad about

this a lot. You know, I said, Dad, what are, what are UFOs? What are aliens? And he basically came to the same conclusion. He said, I believe that they are demons or, or nephalim or or whatever label you want to put to them, but I believe that's the realm that they come from. And I forget who it was you had on. It was a guest, and I liked his description when he described what he thinks they are. And he said they're a deception. And I think that fits. Because if you look at what we are going towards this end times or whatever you're looking at, we are being warned about it. We are being warned about a great deception and the great deception and just like your guest uh jim williamson talked about the the the the aliens and the the this that it is it's just a great deception

that's going to sway a lot of people to believe in that as being the answer to everything and coming from a Christian background, you know that it's exactly that, a great deception. And that's how you're going to get people to go to that side. And that's how you're going to sway masses of people. So, you know, that's my gut feeling. That's my personal feeling. And, of course, you know, we all have our own thoughts about that.

and um you know and i think you've done a great job tony you explaining a lot of that side too and i'd follow along with a lot of those those same beliefs and in conclusions and i think there's a lot of evidence to support that too sure yeah and that's the thing i mean well what what you just said about the evidence there is a lot of evidence to support that and on the flip side of it there's a lot of evidence to support it as other things as well. And that's the thing, I think it's so important for me and my guests and everybody out there to understand that even if you want to deny it yourself and say, no, that's not me. I really do believe that the majority of people out there, they form their views of what this,

stuff is, they form their explanations on how to make something make sense off of their history of what their traditional mindset is, whether it's a religious background that they were raised with or a new philosophy of life that they've been living for the last 20 years of their adult life. You know, people have these preset ideas in their mind that help form and shape everything else around them, you know? And I think people would be, they would be lying if they say they were completely open-minded as to what everything is, you know, because whether you're a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist, an atheist, whatever you are, you still have preconceived notions that really do shape your view on how to explain these things. And I think it's important for us

acknowledge that for me too, for you to, everybody, because we're flawed. We're flawed people. And so we're not going to get it all right. And more than likely, none of us have it all right, you know? And so, but yeah, I mean, who knows, right? Exactly. And what you're describing, you know, coming from a technical background in my job and everything. When you're looking at data and you're looking at facts, there's a thing called belief bias. And your belief bias, which is like, you know,

that can never happen even though you're staring right at the data saying, yes, it just did happen, you know. So you have to get over your own belief biases to truly be open-minded in the objective. However, that belief bias is part of the equation. And we have to recognize that, especially as humans, and our own background, it's just exactly what you said. You know,

coming from a Christian background, Muslim background, whatever your background is, is, you know, it forms your belief bias. And, you know,

again, when you're looking at data and hard facts, you've got to try to separate that out and you just got to look what's actually there. But yeah, that's a good explanation of it,

I think. Yeah, it's hard. hard. This whole thing is hard. You know, these topics we cover and everything we talk about, it's hard because we're bringing community together. Like, if you want to, you can call me a community organizer because, I mean, I'm building a community here of people bringing them in from all over the world, from different cultures, different lifestyles. We're all coming into the same room with all these different ideas and viewpoints, and we all have to get along. And, you know,

it can be difficult at times, but I think it's important that we really do try to hear each other out. And though somebody feels very strong about their opinion on something, that's okay. You know, they're supposed to. Is it worth believing in if you don't believe it in strongly? You know? So I just encourage people, you know, with whatever they believe, to just really think about it. and try not to be bias, even though you know that's going to happen, but to not go on default mode. I think that's what I'm trying to say.

So many times with whatever it is in life, whether it's looking into this stuff or going to work every day or raising children, we can go on this default mode where it just happens. You know, I wake up at 4 o'clock in the morning. I put my clothes on, I go to work, it just happens. And, you know, same thing with parenting. Now, I'm a parent to be, but the idea of it is, you know, after a while, you're five years into your kid's life, and now you're just finding a routine, and it just happens. It's just default. You know, you come home, you do the same thing, and everything's on default mode now.

And I just try to encourage people, and myself included, to not go on default mode when it comes to critical thinking about these mysteries because it's very easy to do so. It's okay to believe something. And if you believe this is to be true and build your other beliefs off this belief or this thought process, that's fine. That's how you grow mentally, but to never fall into that default mode where almost like you're taking a hypothetical situation that hasn't been proven yet and you're just counting it as fact in your mind because there's nobody that can tell you any different. Does that make sense? Absolutely. And I think your

podcast has did a great job of, like you said, bringing all these people in and these different points of view. Because that's one thing I have noticed as I start looking into these things. They're trying to make sense of it. You hear these wild stories or, you know,

these paranormal stories and then you start looking at, why are so many people experiencing these things? It can't be just random it's got to be something there and being able to bring these and have an outlet for people to do this connects with a lot of other people and which helps pull in these these different you know for me is like wow that makes sense I saw that or I've experienced that and you know you start making connections and saying wow there is a bigger

picture going on here and they are connecting you know, and each, every little individual, you know, just like me here in the little you follow Oklahoma and here in Tulsa, have experienced strange things. And as you get to talk to other people, they have to. And it's a very common thing that happens. And again, why? And that's what you're looking for. And I think, again, I think there's some good answers out there and some good connections. But it's like you keep saying, it's just that one piece.

piece, where is it go and what is it that connects it? Absolutely. And that's the way I feel sometimes. It's just like, I feel like if I could just find out one piece. Oh, but maybe I should make a tagline for the show, the confessionals. Why? Right. Because we don't know why.

Yeah, that one piece that's lost underneath the caps that you'll never finish the puzzle with. Yeah. I don't know. Well, Brian, I really appreciate you coming on tonight in chat. with me. It was a lot of fun and hopefully you enjoyed your time as well. Absolutely, Tony. You had a great time chatting with you and yeah, you got a great thing going on here and again, congratulations and you're to your little boy, that's going to me coming along. And I think that's one of the most awesome things and you're going to enjoy it very much.

So I just had to tell you that, you and Lindsey both. I really appreciate that, man. We're excited for sure. So, yeah. Thanks a lot, man. I'll talk to you soon, right? Right on, Tony. Thank you. Okay. Bye. Bye. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoy it. And if you did enjoy it, please go ahead and give us a rating and review on any pod catcher you listened to the show on. That could be iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Pod Bean, Tune-in, blog talk radio. It does not matter to me. But if you enjoy the show, please go ahead and give us a rating and review. And as always, if you've had an encounter of any kind, ahead and email me at the Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com or go to the website,

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