The Confessionals - 331: The Devil's In The Music

Episode Date: April 20, 2021

In Episode 331: The Devil's In The Music, we are joined by Joel who is one half of the new music group called VanTesla. VanTesla flew into Philadelphia to record multiple shows in the studio with me, both for The Confessionals and for my radio show Rage Against Dystopia, which will broadcast on Tuesday (4/20/21) at 8pm EST only on Fringe.FM.Joel and I sat down to talk about the paranormal experiences he has been through in his life. He begins by sharing how his father almost got sucked into a Satanic cult while he was in college, and how those experiences changed his life's trajectory to become a pastor. Though he grew up with his dad warning him of the dangers that lay in the darkness, Joel decided to take his own path. He dated a woman who practiced the dark arts, and the baggage she carried spilled into their relationship to the point that she became demonically possessed, as a demon took control of her body to speak to Joel. Joel became more deeply involved in music, which lead him to become a Free Mason in an attempt to gain power and fortune. He shares his experiences as a Free Mason in the "Overtime" segment of Episode 331, available for members on the member site, as well as his bizarre UFO encounter that caused me to wonder if he had seen several ships returning to a mother ship with abductees. BECOME A MEMBER AND GET ADDITIONAL SHOWS: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSPONSORS:GET StoryWorth: https://storyworth.com/confessionalsGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: https://simplisafe.com/confessionalsGet Emergency Food Supplies: http://www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: https://bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH US:Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] Community: Text "YUP" to 844-215-0819 Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIA:Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.com/invite/pyEvct9Q Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's NEW Instagram: rage_against_dystopiaMeWe: https://mewe.com/i/tonymerkel5Gab.com: https://gab.com/TonyMerkelFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkelSHOW INTRO: Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3

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Feel something pulling at my leg and I look over and there are two small gray entities and they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know. I'm seeing a monster. Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals.

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And finally, we have Joel coming on the show today right now for an exclusive conversation about his paranormal experiences he's been through throughout his life. This is an overtime conversation. The first hour is right now, right here for you. And the second hour is right there on the website for members in the overtime section where we get into another hour and a half, I believe, of audio content for you where Joel talks about how he got. into Freemasonry and the struggles of trying to get into a lodge and why he was pursuing Freemasonry to begin with. He was obsessed with trying to gain power and make it in the music industry. It was an overall great conversation I had with Joel, and I'm really excited for you

guys to hear it. So let's just get to Joel right now. All right, today we got Joel from Vantesslin studio. Joel, how you doing, man? I'm doing good today, Tony. How you doing? Man, I'm doing good. So we just got done recording some shows for Rage Against Astopia with you and Kwan. And now you're hopping on the confessionals to share with us your paranormal experiences that you had in your life. Anything from your dad's history, which we're going to start off with and how that kind of ties into your life to the UFO encounter, your son's mom being a witch, dabbling with the black magic. I'd like to say I dig it, but I at least dig the story. You know what I'm saying? Right.

I don't know how much I dig the situation, but other paranormal situations and stuff. But before we get into all that goody good, we're going to go into. your music and how this all kind of came together now. Kwan's not here with us right now, but you and Kwan came together to join forces and make this group Van Tesla. Right. So if you could, first off,

let's just start off with the basics. Van Tesla, that name, how did it come about? Because it's very unique and I like it. Well, I came up with it because Kwan had done a song called Nikola, or was working on a song called Nikola at the time.

I had just dropped out a song called Van Gogh at the time. He's kind of got a real thing with Nikola Tesla, you know, how he had basically had his free energy idea stolen and it was turned into what it is now where you're paying for power at this point in time. And mine came from Van Gogh, just kind of a tortured artist that really wasn't understood until he died. Went through a whole lot, you know, phenomenal artist. Nobody understood him until he died. And I think that's kind of where we're from. We both come from backgrounds of trying to. really hard at music and trying to understand that. And then it, you know, not shaking out the way we

thought initially, kind of feeling unappreciated, knowing that we're talented, but, you know, I think that brought us together. It caught the idea for me to make the name Van Tesla. You know, it kind of resonated with both of us. And I think for us, it put us ahead of the ballgame and what we were going to start talking about music-wise, you know, getting more into the, uh, the, the, social issues that are going on right now, not necessarily from a point of view that most hip hop artists would do. So I think that's, you know, where we're at with the Van Tesla name and, you know, what we're trying to promote going forward. Yeah, so, I mean, Van Tesla, for anybody listening, would you guys call yourself a hip hop group? I mean, I don't know. We do a lot of different things.

Yeah, it's very different. I mean, you guys both rap, but you both sing too. Right. And I mean, when we were listening to some of the music earlier and stuff, I was like, wait a second, that's Kwan singing, which means you both sing. Right. And I was just like, dude, you guys are super talented. And the cool thing is you're not only super talented, but you also have great quality music. You have great instrumentals, great production. And you have a great message as far as I'm concerned, which we kind of hit on Rage Against Astopia when we were recording for that show. And it's like, this is the new rebellion music. Right. Like back in the 90s, there was this big rebellion with hip hop and stuff and, you know, F the system and all that stuff. Yeah, rock too.

And then it became very corporate and bought out artists. And you guys, the content you cover is the current times right now, 2021, and where the world's going. And you guys are raging against the system, you know, raging against that machine. Right. And, you know, it's really cool because there's other artists out there that are doing very similar things.

But there's, I think, vast majority of artists out there, they're more concerned about creating an image for themselves, making it successful, whatever that is in the industry, which means they're not willing to go down certain roads, let alone they probably don't even think about those roads. No. It's just like whatever, you know, I just want to be mainstream. Absolutely. And you guys are kind of taking that, you know, off the beaten path approach and you're going to talk

about real stuff and you're going to piss a lot of people off in the process. Yeah, I think being mainstream is just not important anymore because you got a lot of people, and more people than are actually letting on because a lot of people are scared right now, and rightfully so with a lot of things that are going on in the world. But there has to be some voices, you know, there has to be some voices for these people. And at least if they can't stand up, like we can stand up for them in a way and maybe give them some sort of confidence as well moving forward. Because we have to stand together to make this thing work in the best way possible. The term is power in numbers.

It does exist. I think when people realize that, or if they ever do decide to realize that, they'll understand that these, you know, entities above us, I won't go in that too much here, but these entities above us that control things, there's not a lot of them. There's a lot of us, but they also are very smart and know how to manipulate things. And I think that we've just got to wait people up to the point to where we can stand together. whether we fail or not, at least, you know, there's some sort of satisfaction in glory in knowing that you stood up against something and you didn't bend over, grab your ankles, and hope it wasn't too big. Yeah.

No, I get it, man. And it takes a lot of guts to do what you're doing in the sense that it does put a target on you back, the bigger you get. You guys are doing this and you're just starting out the group. But the bigger the group, and I'm telling anybody who's listening and stuff, you're about to hear one of their songs. these guys, they're going to be huge. I mean, you guys, really, I, like your Instagram, I follow you guys on Instagram.

And I envision within the next year to two years, you just make some right moves. Maybe, you know, Tom McDonald shout you guys out or something like that. You get right in front of the right people and you guys hit 100,000 followers on, on Instagram easily. And we appreciate that. I mean, seriously, I really believe you guys have the potential to have a huge following because you're speaking truth, the music's quality. And that's what people want. Right. You know what I'm saying?

I think people want it more than they're letting on, too. Yes. I think they're just kind of forced to take whatever is given to them. And that goes with everything in life right now. It's like we're just taking it because there's nothing else to take. Yeah. You know? And why don't we give somebody a choice there?

At least one choice out of the million of choices that they can't have or the million choices that have been silenced. At least we can try to give somebody something that means something. And we're still growing as artists too. so hopefully we'll be able to give you even more. Like we'll grow with you. We'll all grow together. And as we grow this unit of musicians,

podcasters, people that are about the truth, that they're standing next to people that want truth, I feel like that there's still going to be some good come out of this world. I don't think it's all for not. No, I hear you. And I agree with you. Like, you look at Tom McDonald. I mean, he went number one on the charts.

and at the same time he was number one, he had like the number three song as well. Right. And his music is in your face, you know, raging against the system. And so if he is having that kind of success, that only means it's because there's an actual audience for overwhelmingly. Huge audience. Huge audience. And so I just really believe that you guys, all you need to do is just be patient and wait

for the people to find you. Absolutely. It will come. So let's get to some of your music, this first song. We're going to play now. We're going to play this song now. and then we're going to play another song for the outro for this episode. Right.

This song is called Pockets. You want to talk about it a little bit before we hit play? You know, actually just let people listen to it. I think they're going to pick it up pretty quick what it's about and what we're about. All right. This is Pockets. Let's do it. Killing their cells.

Steady killing their cells. Ten windows drop gates got us itself. You listen in the bars, but we stand at them. What's your sound opinion to a sparkling atom and feathered. Dad cooking. bacon, no sugar. Gym preaching, teaching, wiping kids, boogers. Fan protector,

respected, house full of rogas. This is the feeling that I really wish I had sooner. Baby's mama and a mama, that's a different gin. They hit the gym. Trap music fills them within. I'm wrong for dropping gems, because it's a different message. I see

nowhere at 20 finally getting message that a life has been drawn out but see her dad is sketched it. Moms will teach you how to use a Not the weapon This is just a skeleton of dress I don't write for real That's just a verse in a bag

A lease used to be shoes Until I figured out how answers were on the news Conspiracies were cool until they were dropping clothes Until you skip routine peep the mirror Now it's you Why you brush your teeth fluoride what you consume Got men addicted See your chick drop his skin

We slaves the women Then trick when she wanna be independent To get a sex, you clean the kitchen Respect is missing, her feelings distant That's not an act of kindness, that's an act of blindness They think kitty gold, never touched the, And felt mightest, I enlighten, I take my index along with middle, close your eyelids,

It's simple, priceless, listen. My people saying kings and queens way too much, validation, black to spread the education And if silence is violence, my tongue is salivating, Black stories on Hulu, black sexes, Lack sections in Target. You think this are recognition? Modern segregation. Corporations Keep your subconscious bias from King Shabazz's Hulu Shaka, who opened up chakras. This got my face red like vision. I don't got the darkest pigment, but I use logic

if and when I say the word, me what? Killer us is us. Sing a long-dice songs with whom the guns we bust. From the food to the media, it's cancerous shit. And your idols, LeBron and Cole will go one sponsor the shit. Your idols tell you why, but not solution of escape. Rap about their new chains as they upload their estate. To the Matrix, what an overstatement. Crypto got me rich beyond statements. Basement placements.

Make Hollywood blueprints look basic. You want a sheep I creep. Cut comfort off, make blankets. And sell it back to you. We know you wait. I look up at the stars and I wonder what they are. There's probably a lie like the rest. I've been took the red pill, but look.

at the blue pill fake steak tastes the best but i'm looking for those pockets think like me we stepping over empty literally diddy white people with BLM stickers on the back of their cars exist if you have love in your heart but they don't want you to hear it they just want to control your minds with mockingbirds and paper clips i'll be a martyr hanging like a urinal with no dividers you come back with verses and i know that you weren't the writer these but more so in entertainment because they can show you exactly what they're doing and you won't believe and they can't see past what they sell as utopia. If you disagree with something, then it's something, something.

Singers dropping out on TV for your kids like Secovia. My own soul's in conflict with itself. Because I was raised on a square in compass, power and wealth. I looked at the dark arts as it was a way to achieve what I wanted between us. But I realized it was like Lucy holding the football, leave you with peanuts. I used to want them to call me a genius, but now I'd rather connect with people than exploiting us. weakness because I'm tired of talking to demons for real I look up at the stars and I wonder what they are there's probably a lie like the rest I've been took the red pill but looking at the

blue pill fake steak tastes the best but I'm looking for those pockets pocket I'm telling you man like that song and that song is just one of many of you guys have put out so far that just really hit hard. They hit the topics. They hit the culture that we're living in. And it just, I just think that it's what people will need to hear. And you do it in an artistic way. And that's what the arts were for. The arts were for to relay a message of what's going on in the world and things like, and they're taking that away. And they have corporatized the arts to relay a message from, you know, the ruling elites. And it's just, dude, it's really refreshing to hear that music. And I'm sitting here where our mics are off. And I'm just like, ah, I can't believe.

He just said that. Oh, man, what a good song. And there's many more to come, I'm sure. Listen, where can people follow you guys? Where can people get your music? So right now, if you go to IG, it's one of our main sources of putting out information. We do a lot of funny memes there, too, and just normal topics that we like people to, you know, talk about. We put a lot of music there too.

If you go to at van underscore Tesla underscore, you can catch us there. You can go to at Kwan Duke, which would be Kwan site. And you can go to at Johnny underscore Idol underscore, which is mine. We talk about this for us, my alter ego. I do a weird like rock thing whenever I go into that mode. So it's fun. But I have that as mine as well. You can catch us on all major platforms right now.

So if you go to Spotify, Apple, title, any of them that you. you're looking for. You can find us there. Just go to Joel Thomas, which is mine or Kwan Dukes. You should be able to find us once you put that in. And you'll know it's us because we're connected. So you'll go in there and you'll see the Van Tesla stuff pop up on both of our pages. That's awesome. Yeah. So people go ahead and check it out. Get that music. I'm telling you, you guys, you know, you guys should come out with some kind of like marketing thing where it was like, it's like people who, I don't know, they do something as a fan. and they get like a sticker that says, I was here before the first million followers.

Right. Like, it's going to get to that point. And so to create that cult following, because I'm telling you, like, the message you guys have, the quality of music, and you guys don't hold back, and I freaking love it. And what's interesting, not interesting, but it's really cool is that you guys, you know, you're a white guy and Kwan's a black guy. Right. So you have that different perspective coming together in music where you both are upset about the world and culture we live in, but you also grew up in different cultures as well. And so you get hit with everything. Like, I mean, when you were talking about the bumper stickers in that song and stuff,

I mean, that was you speaking. And you come from that culture and you see what's happening around and stuff. And Kwon comes from that other culture with the BLM and what's been going on with that. And you guys just, you have your thoughts and opinions and you don't really care about who agrees with you. You're just saying what you see happening in the world and how it's really affecting humanity. It is. It's really cool. And I think that's it. important for us to get that message out and, you know, just convey to people that, hey, you know, there's somebody that's talented and has a voice for you because I feel like all the talented artists has just been eaten up by the machine and they're just picked apart before they could even

get to a place to be able to do something like this. Yeah. I mean, if you, if you pick up the talent young enough, right, early enough, and you sink your teeth into them, they'll never leave you. Right. You know, and so, and if they do, you just call them crazy and you say they, they need help, mentally like Kanye. Which maybe he does. I don't know. I mean, some of the things he goes off on.

I'm just like, wow, Kanye. Right. He's a smart guy, though. And I think that's at the end of the day, you know. You don't make billions being dumb. You don't.

He's very talented guy. I think he definitely has gone down a dark path, though. And I think that for sure. I don't know how much of it he's trying to get out away from it. I feel like he's trying to in a lot of ways you can tell. But I think you get so deep into that system. And we're going to go into more of that. start talking about the paranormal and deeper into me being a Freemason and all that.

Listen, you're a Freemason? I have a freaking Freemason in my studio. Yeah, I'll really talk about how... How dare you? I'll talk about how I broke away from that and what was important for me to do that, too. It all was centered around music. Everything I've done, anything that I've seen, even UFO experiences and stuff that we'll get into. It's all deep-rooted in the hip-hop system.

I don't think a lot of people understand about hip hop music itself. It's very, it is the world's music now. It is pop music and hip hop has become the culture of music. And we're not talking about black, white. We're talking globally. You go to Germany, you got white, you got white German rap artists. You go to anywhere in Asia, you've got Chinese, Japanese rap artists. You've got this.

And it's become something bigger than that. And you've got to control something like that. that right so at the end of the day it's become very demonic in its undertones and very controllable from the top as far as getting information out that they want to feed people feed your kids and how they want to control so what you're saying is something that i've been trying to relay for years and i know people say that i'm crazy like not everybody certainly a lot of the audience i'm sure agrees with me but this idea is something i've said for years and people who aren't in the know and don't dig what we do, they're not, they're not feeling it.

But I say at the highest levels, the paranormal and the quote unquote conspiracy, they intertwine. Absolutely. They intertwine. It's all together. And when you talk about anything like ghosts and demons and everything, it all kind of intertwines together. Yeah. Because those people, they believe it, whether you believe it or not. And I tell people this all the time.

And, you know, I got an argument with somebody recently about adrenachromes. And I told him, I said, hey, it doesn't matter what you believe. It's what they believe. And at the end of the day, even if it doesn't do what they say it does for them, they believe that it does. Yeah. And but it's intertwined throughout music, throughout any celebrity that you see, throughout Hollywood culture, it's all there for you to see if you really open your eyes and take a look at it. But a lot of people don't want to do that because, man, that's a tough road to go down. I can tell you, I'm on a tough road right now. It's tough going on that road. It's not easy. No, I get it. But do you want to continue, you know, running around like a sheep with fur on your back all the time? Or do you want to stand up and realize you're a goat on that mountain and you're going to be on that mountain with other goats that are going to look back and say, you know what? If you want to come over here, you can be like us. But if not, we're going to band together and go against this system of shepherds that aren't really trying to shepherding us in a right way. Yeah, I dig it, man.

So let's start the process of this life you have lived and the history of your family and all of it. And just to let people know, we're going to be going in deep on these recordings today. We already did in the first recording for Rage Against Astopia, which will be premiering today. As you guys hear this, it will be premiering at 8 p.m. Eastern Time on fringe.fm. That's my radio show, Rage Against Astopia. so go ahead and check that out if you're interested. And we're going to, in this first segment, we're going to do an overtime segment as well. We're going to get into more of your paranormal experiences.

And we're going to lay the groundwork with your dad. Right. I agree with you. It sounds like your dad's history might have had a lot of do with where your life is gone. At least piquity in the wrong way. For sure. I think it would, a lot of people. Right. So, but then in the overtime segment, we're going to get into more of your, like, real demonic

experiences you've had and a lot of Freemason talk. And we got an insider here today, guys. We got an insider. He's going to tell us all about it, the checkered floors and everything. So I'm just... They exist. So let's get into it. Your dad. I don't want to spoil anything. So just tell us about your dad and take it away, man. Yeah. So my dad is, he's a preacher now. He's a pastor. He has been my whole life. So we actually went to seminary and he met my mom in seminary and they got married and they ended up having me and then my sister. So, you know, growing up, my dad would share his testimony at different churching events. He'd normally do it if we came to a new church and he started preaching that would be one of the first things that he did, especially when he was an evangelist,

that would be one of his first sermons because he had just amazing, crazy story about how he even got to this point that he was at. Started out a college basketball player, got really deep into drugs, the drug scene. He actually was part of a smuggling unit that smuggled like 98% cocaine out of Bogotong, Columbia and biplanes. I don't know if he's necessarily on the biplanes, but he's a part of that kind of culture. Okay.

That was dealing with a lot of that. He dealt with a lot of people that were pretty, you know, as high up as far as who he dealt with. He was a drug user himself. He sold, but it was more of. situation of, you know, they were the higher ups. He was just kind of protected because of them. It's just kind of how he was. He was a part of year, though. That's what he grew up in the late 60s, early 70s during that party era of, you know, disco, all that stuff. So like for him, that was kind of

his lifestyle. And a part of that lifestyle, he met a girl one night. They were partying. At some point the next day, she was leaving and she looked at him and said, you know what, Charles, you need to meet God. And so, of course, he cursed her out and told her, I need to meet God. You need to meet God. What are you talking about? We just did like 10, 8 balls. You know, I'm over exaggerating, but probably a lot, you know.

So she said, no, you need to meet God the right way. She's like, here's a number. I want you to call me when you're ready. And that's all she said to him and left. So he said it was really weighing on his mind for a whole week. He just said, I think I need to make this call, but I don't know. So finally, he picked up the phone and made the call. And this is back way before.

We're talking before cell phones and you had caller ID and all that. So none of that existed in this time. He makes the call. There's a man that picks up the phone the other end. He says, hello, Charles. I've been expecting your call. Jeez. So he immediately was kind of freaked out from that because he hadn't said a word yet.

And he said, yeah, he's like, so you need to come by. He gave him the address. So you and I were talking about your experience. earlier today and it made me think of this because my dad told the story. So he said he came to the door as he's walking to the door, the door opens. What is it with Satanus and having doors open by themselves? I think it also plays into that whole vampire thing. You know, if you ever hear about vampires, it's the allowing of the letting you in thing. It's all tied together. It's all lore and it's all tied together with everything else. So he walks in, there's a guy standing there. He had a long

flowing white beard, red eyes. Really? And he said, hello, Charles, he said, come inside. So he brings him in. He walks in. He doesn't see the girl that he was with that time. That's actually his wife. So he leaves the room. He said, hey, why don't you just sit down here and we'll be back in a little bit? Okay. So he sits down in the room and he starts looking around. There's all these beautiful like murals like on the wall, like paintings of like nature and different things like that. So he gets up and starts looking at him. And like at the bottom of them, it's like, oh, we praise the old B.L's above the most high. Prince of Darkness, we love you. I'm just paraphrasing, but like all of them had stuff underneath it. So he thinks like, this is really weird because you got to think, and the way he grew up was really in a religious culture like that, you know, his family wasn't really religious like that, you know, per se. And for him, you know, he wasn't, he's like, that's kind of, you know, weird.

They come back in and from that moment on, he went on a track for several months to become a legitimate Satanist. They were teaching him the ways of Lucifer. He said he's seen some wild stuff. He said he's seen vases get up off of tables and levitate across the room. They would move stuff with their hands and minds. They had a three-year-old son that they were training to be the prince of Satan. They could put him in a chair at three years old, and he would not move or blink for three to four hours at a time.

What? Insane. He's seen this. Wow. So during that process, they would talk to him and other voices would come out of their mouths and tell him things that only he knew about himself from when he was younger. They would have these conversations, the demonic interactions that he would have with these entities. So for him, it looked like power. I mean, you're seeing like, man, these people are moving objects with their minds. I mean, it's like full on, you know, Jedi or Sith in here, moving stuff around, this whole thing. I mean, it's the allure of power, right? I mean, that's kind of what that is. So for him, it was, he got really, you know, zoned into the power aspect. And they said, listen, we're going to go to Texas where the Church of Satan was the big one there in Texas at the time, you know, down there.

So they were like, listen, sell everything you own. Give us some money. We're going to get all our money together. Pack your bags. We're going to go and leave. and go. So he's like, okay, you know, that sounds, you know, good. He's, he was all about it. So he gets all stuff together. He goes their house. He, you know, gives the money and everything. And they're like, hey, we need you to go get something. So he's like, okay, so he went to go pick some

stuff up. He comes back. Nobody's at the house. Just his two bags are sitting on the front porch. And he walks up and there's a note and say, we're sorry, Charles. We owe everything to our guide. Took all of his money and left. Rolled out. on him. I mean, they're Satanist, right? Wow. So at that point of his life, he was inside of their house. There was nothing left in that house but a little TV in the house. So he said he had $100 in his pocket. He was going to buy $100 worth of barbiturates and kill himself. He was like, I'm done. Like, I was trying to go down this path. He's like, they even scanned me. He's like, I didn't even know what to do. He ended up turning on the TV just flippantly, like as he's

walking out of the house and there's a voice that tells him, does anyone out there need help? And so he literally like turns around and it's a preacher. And the rest of his history changed his life. Really? Crazy. So he turns on the TV. Yeah. As he's walking out of the house. Crazy. That's random. Yeah. And then he, the preacher just, the first thing he hears is, does it? anybody out there need help?

Exactly. And he turns around and listens to the rest of what he says and then ends up like just wow. Wow. Changed his life permanently. It's crazy. Yeah. Unreal.

Listen, I can see it in your face that it gets you emotional when you talk about it. I think it's really cool, man. That is, listen, when you are telling that story, the house I'm picturing is the house I went to. It's probably about the same type of thing. It really, like, it's so wild, though, when he tells the story about it because, I mean, they definitely had power. Like, there's definitely that that exists, you know, and we'll get into more of my experiences with that stuff, too. But it exists.

Like, you seek it out. You'll get some level of it. Now, I will say this, though, that in that realm, there's always a game, too. Clearly. There's always something that it doesn't necessarily add up the way you want. wanted to. Now, it may in some ways, some people may get millions of dollars out of it, may become, you know, famous. But at the end of the day, you know, there's always a game behind the whole thing. Yeah. You know, it's always about control. It's about suppression. It's about suppressing

your mind. Yeah. So. Wow, man. That's a very dramatic story that your dad has for himself. And I'm assuming he has no regrets from that point on. He considers the blessing being robbed. and everything. I'd tell you really crazy, though, if people can catch it. He did a, this is before podcast. It was a radio show called Unshackled, like way back in like the 90s, I think. You can find it online. I actually found it. He's actually got it there where he talks about his whole like story. Really? Yeah. His name's Charlie Orr. So if you just dig around and find it. Charlie Orr. Yeah, maybe you can find it. Yeah. It's pretty cool. He does it a lot of his sermons. If he does any traveling, he'll share that story with people because it's pretty unique.

Yeah, I'll tell you straight up, if your dad would be interested, I'd be interested at having him on the show to tell the story. He might for sure. So I, I, that, those kind of stories. Yeah. They get me rolling, man. Like, because it just, it really, because I identify with it. I went through a situation similar, only I wasn't trying to, to join.

I was, I was, I was. Right. They were trying to, he was trying to do something to me. It was, listen, I mean, here, the bottom, I mean, the bottom line is, I've talked to a lot of people about my experience. And the last time I talked about it was on Fringe FM with Joe Rup. And Joe Rup and I, we don't agree on a lot of things when it comes to spirituality and stuff. You know, me being, you know, a Christian and him being somebody, I don't even know what he is, but it's like more mystical. I know he sells magic boxes and things like that.

When I told him that story, his reaction and stuff, it was just like, whoa. And so like, like hearing these stories, I guess I relate to him. a lot because I kind of went through a similar thing. Only Joe said that, and the people that were calling into his show, said that they believe he was trying to release something on me, like a demonic entity. Well, here's the thing, too, even if you're talking about the mystical arts, and I can go into that too because I dealt with a lot of people that are involved in that field. So, like, for me, it's understanding that there's good and evil.

If you talk to anyone in any facet of whether it's Christianity or if we go into mysticism, or, you know, Islam or whatever, there's always good and evil. So at the end of the day, no matter what you think, there is good and evil. Like, we can sit here and say that it doesn't exist, but man, there's a whole lot going on in the world right now that if you don't think there's evil, then you're just really putting the blinders on. And if you do think there's evil and think that there can't be good, what does evil fight against, right? There has to be two sides. It doesn't exist that way. Yeah. Yeah. That's the funny thing is that a lot of times people find themselves leaning towards believing in one side but not the other.

It's kind of impossible, though. Yeah, but I think there's a fear factor. True. I think there's a fear factor for people that it's almost like one of those things where if you don't acknowledge it, it doesn't exist. And so whether it's, you know, the, say a Christian not wanting to believe that there are people out there that are Satanists or there are, like, I've talked to Christians who don't believe that are demons.

I'm just like, read much, you know, like, you know? Right. And then there's the other side of things where people who are, you know, say they're more, I don't want to go down the satanic road as much as the spiritual road and summoning entities, but yet they don't want to believe that there is a higher God that rules over the, like they don't want to believe in Jehovah. Right. And that's the tough thing too. And, you know, I think that that's something that everybody's got to find their own journey. about how they figured stuff things out. I think the basis is I think you need to know that there's good and evil. I think at that point you can start figuring out how you want to operate with that.

I'm not a big proponent on religion itself. I think I'm more of a proponent on, you know, or your relationship. So like I think like that is at the core of like what you need to go with. And then you can figure out the rest for yourself. I mean, listen, someone was flawed individuals in history have done some great things. So, you know, we're fallible human beings. It's what we are. We're meat sacks. So at the end of the day. Indeed. That's what we are. Indeed. So, you know, I feel like that that's where people need to come with it. But I also don't push anything on anybody either. I'm still figuring things out for myself because as we go throughout this conversation, you know, what I've seen and things that I've been a part of, you know, it's tough. Like when you've like

seen the full 360 spectrum or been a part of the full 360 spectrum and just been like, you know, you kind of go for a loop a little bit. And you're just trying to get your bearings. And I think with what I'm doing with music now, and I think with, you know, what I'm trying to build like for my family and everything, I think it's bringing that into like a perfect sphere for me. Yeah. All right. Let's take a break right now and talk about this week's sponsor, which is Storyworth. Now, friends, listen, if you have a mom in your life, you want to make it feel special for Mother's day, this is a great option for you. And it's a great option for me, too. Because you see, my mom had a really bad, I'd say last year and even into this year. Just a month ago, she had COVID. And actually,

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your mother for this Mother's Day feel loved and appreciated. Listen, let's talk about, well, listen, I'm not sure if you want to talk about your UFO sighting next or if you wanted to go into. to the paranormal situations with your son's mom and stuff, how would you like to do this? I mean, because I wrote down UFO encounter for next. Let's go into the other first. Okay. Because I will say that the UFO stuff kind of came in like a very interesting time in my life

when I was seeking out knowledge and power and a lot of those things. And I think some of that had to do with that, obviously. but this is this actually came this is the precursor to build into that so I think that's kind of important Let's do it, man. Go for it. Yeah, so I met my son's mom. I actually knew her in high school. She was younger than me, but like we had met after high school. Like I had graduated. I had been out of school for a while. She had graduated. So we ended up running in each other connecting and we started dating. And as we were hanging out, she told me some more things about her in the past when she was 15, 16 years old. She got really deep into Wicca and understanding a lot of that stuff. Now, in saying

that I've known some people that are into Wicca that aren't necessarily in it for evil. So I can see that side of it, but she was totally in it for Black Magic. Like she was in it for that. See, pause there for a second because I've talked to a lot of Wiccans myself. And I can't remember a time that I've heard a a Wiccans say that they are pursuing black magic because like I've talked to Wiccans and they're like it's not like that it's it's more like pure and and which you have that side of it too yeah I just like like I'm not saying I'm not saying it's not there as far as black magic goes I just it's it catches me off guard that a Wiccan would say that because I've never heard a Wiccan go down that road now granted my my scope is literally the people that contact me through the show

I don't go seeking out Wiccans, but I've talked to several Wiccans, and they were adamant that it's not the dark black magic. I think the ones that are going to be willing to talk to you aren't involved with that stuff, and that's why they're going to be able to talk to you. I don't think anyone that's involved in that level is going to be, you know, talking to you. It's not if you're going to walk up, be like, hey, you know what, I'm a mother of darkness. Like, they're not going to come tell you that. So you had a job to mothers of darkness. All right. They're not ready for it yet.

We're working on that one. So, spoiler alert. Yeah. So go ahead. So anyway, so she told me this, but this was after the fact that she was done doing that. She had stepped away from it. You know, she was, you know, knew that it wasn't good. But there's a lot of repercussions that come along with that.

So at the time, she was doing a lot of curses on people. Some bad things happened to people. Her and another friend that were super involved with that, they actually did a lot of these things to people. She didn't go into super detail what happened to some of these people. people, but it wasn't good. I know something real bad happened with one person. I don't know to the extent, but I do know from her, she was something she never wanted to talk about. And it was very, you know, uh, touchy subject. I didn't really push it because I don't want to push somebody on that kind of stuff. Sure. But the residuals of that were a lot of entities that would follow us

places that I wouldn't necessarily see, but I would feel she would see them. Um, there was a little girl that used to follow us around everywhere. And we would be, might be at a drive-through. She would say there, she's behind us. And she would be staring at looking at us. You know, I wouldn't see it, but she would. I know several times we'd be in the bed. It would be looking at us from the end of the bed, which is pretty crazy.

One night, particularly, which was really wild, that was going on, I felt, really weird. Like, it felt bad in that room. And I had never felt that bad before. And this is, like I said, way before I started going to my journey of, like, all the other stuff. So I wasn't even tapping into the stuff at the time. So I just felt like, I don't know, evil was in the room. And if I can say it any other way, so I turned the light on it. And when I did, a hair barrette shot up off the floor and hit the ceiling. Not only that, before that happened, I missed a key part. Another voice. comes out of her mouth and tells me something that only my mom told me when I was a kid, which was crazy. And I say that because of what happened to my dad before, which tied that

together, which made me really freak out at the time because my mom used to call me a manipulator when I was a kid. She's like, oh, you're just a little manipulator or whatever. And the entity told me in a man's voice that came out of her. Of your girlfriend. Yes. a deep voice said, maybe I can try to do it, but you're just a manipulator like that. It was just the most demonic thing I ever heard.

It was not her voice. She doesn't even remember doing it because when I popped up, the hair barrette shot hit the top of the ceiling. I turned the light on like, what did you just say to me? And she's almost like she shook it out of it. And she's like, what do you mean? She's like, I don't know what I did.

You, what did you came out of your mouth? Like, I've never told you anything like that. Like it was verbatim the way my mom told me, when I was like five or six. Really, really weird situation for me. So I, you know, definitely that was part of a lot of things that were creepy. And I do bring that in because of things that happened later on that also tied into things with her, even though we weren't together anymore.

It kind of started that road of, you know, back then I was not interested in any of that stuff. It really freaked me out. I was in my early 20s. I'm like, man, I don't want anything to do with this stuff. Like, I already do for my dad, like, you know, whatever. But I think because of hip hop and, like, how bad that I wanted it, like, you get to a point, you get desperate. Like, you were willing to sell your soul in a sense.

I mean, like, because, I mean, we get, we hear, we hear, we're wanting to. Yeah. Like, we hear artists that say, you know, I sold my soul, you know, like Katie Perry said it. You're not joking. when they say that. What's the guy that just died not too long ago, Juice World? Juice World. Like, he did something like that. So were you on that kind of level? Like, if you had the opportunity to do something that would you have done it? I went on a, I'm trying to think, five to six year track on that road. Like, so you're saying at one point in your life, there was a

point in your life, whether it was a day or six years, that if you were proposed that you could sell your soul for all the riches in this world and have all fame and glory in the hip hop industry like Eminem, you would have been like, I'm in. Yeah. Okay. Awesome. I mean, awesome in the sense that you're willing to admit that and talk about it. I, it's interesting for me because you hear about these artists that do this kind of stuff. Right. But I can't fathom ever getting to the point of wanting something so bad to be willing to do that. And I'm actually, I'm actually really, I'm going to say this, but it's probably not going to sound, it's not going to translate well for the audience, I'm sure. I'm really glad that you did and you're willing to talk about it.

Yeah. Because not that I'm glad you were in that spot in your life one time where you were willing to do something to that, but the fact that you did get to that point, you didn't do it and you came out of it and you're willing to talk about. Because I don't, when you reach that kind of level. I tried. Don't get me wrong. I definitely try. I know. That's what I'm saying though like when you reach that kind of level I think there was stuff around me though like with my parents and things going on

What's good word for it? The spiritual realm that was a battle Yeah I mean From your dad's past Yeah I think it It marks things in life for the future generation I wonder what happened to my children in the future generation I wonder what happened to my children in the future future just from things that I've done in my life. You know, like, I've never dabbled in witchcraft or things like that. But, I mean, I was a very violent individual. Right. And I wonder if that's something that

my children get passed on with. And it's like the spirit of violence and stuff. And, you know, my son, I see him being very aggressive. And I kind of overparent then where I'm just like, I come in hard on him because I don't want him going down that road. And people are like, you need to chill and relax. He's just three years. I'm like, yeah, but, you know, so I think about that kind of stuff a lot, man. I think for me, you know, I've always been really open mind with my kids. And I think that, um, I try to let them explore their own space or order now. Sure. I think that was something that was, uh, not that it was like, you know, my parents' fault, but I felt like that I wasn't allowed to explore a space where I could figure things out for myself in a way.

way. So I think that kind of put me on that path. No, and I can understand that because it's not even my, if my dad ever hears this, I don't think he'd disagree with me. Growing up, when he decided to start taking church and God serious when I was in high school, like, it wasn't an option to explore my faith or grow into my faith. It was, this is what we do. You know what I mean? And so like I had to, you know, I was like put into this environment to, of this Christian environment, which I don't think is a bad thing. Right. But I didn't really ever explore.

Maybe it was that I never took the personal time to explore my faith and stuff. But it did lead to me posing as a Christian into my mid-20s until I hit rock bottom. Yeah. Not even mid-20s, early 20s, so they hit rock bottom in my mid-20s. And I almost lost my marriage. I almost through my entire life away. I was literally willing to, ready to just pack it up and move to know. name town somewhere off and maybe even another country and just restart and exist somewhere else.

Thankfully, that didn't happen. My marriage was saved and all that stuff. But I can definitely see how, you know, the environment growing up can portray or relay into a rebellion spirit, a rebellious nature where it's like, let me just do my own thing and figure it out, you know? Super for me, though, because I started getting involved with hip hop and my parents just weren't. having it at the time. Sure. And my dad's still not having it. Yeah. You know, they essentially, you know, gave me ultimatum like either give it up or get out of the house and I chose to get out of the house. And that kind of put me on that path. Sure. Very rebellious. Um, you know, like I said, not blaming them for anything at all, especially knowing like my dad's past, you know, why wouldn't he

have been very protective? Right. Which, again, because, you know, I'm, you know, I'm, you know, I remember being, maybe 13, and I remember going into his office at church, and he had, like, books for days. And there was, like, a section of books he would never let me, like, get into and read, really. Like, it was, like, Masonic stuff and different things that he studied, you know, because he kept up on things, but he told me, like, I wasn't ready for that, whatever. Did your dad ever join the Mason's? No, not at all. It was just my dad likes to be very knowledgeable about the occult and the things that go on with that realm, because he, knows how to combat it.

Yeah. You know, I, but it intrigued me, though. I'll be honest with you. Big time. Because what's, I mean, what's not intriguing about something that's secret? It's a secret society. I mean, it's what it is. You know, it's the world's oldest fraternity, essentially, except for the ones that they don't

talk about. Yeah. The ones you don't know about. Right. You know. But, yeah, like, that was, you know, for me that that's why I kind of went down that path. You know, I had the experiences early, you know, with that, with my son. bomb and then I started really as I got deeper into hip hop the allure came with that whole

Illamati era that popped up it was like Jay Zs and all these artists were pumping imagery out but people were catching on to some of the stuff it wasn't so much it was you know hiding in plain sight so much it was people were seeing it yeah and I think there was an allure with that too I think that was part of a sci-up as well I think they wanted to do that to get people desensitized to it one and two to make people want to be a part of that or at least like see

it is a cool thing. Yeah. You have no idea how many triangles I threw up in my younger years just because I saw Jay-Z doing it. Yeah. I used to know what it was. Wear rock-aware, you know what I mean? Like all the stupid big clothing and all the symbolics. Like I would wear it to church because I didn't know what it meant. It was just

Jay-Z stuff and it was cool. It was. You know? I mean and you know. Now you got little Nas doing it to the next generation. Absolutely. And you got, you know, with Jay-Z, you know, his whole trajectory, if you do the history and go back, there's pictures of him with Freemasons. I mean, it's just before he was made it. So, like, he's been involved for a long time way before. Yes. You know, one of my favorite songs, which is also probably one of his just absolute putting it out there, songs off his first album, Reasonable Doubt, was The Evil's, which is just. Evils, I don't even remember that one. Nobody talks about it, man. Unless you get the album, you don't hear it. Now, you can catch it on YouTube. You can type it on YouTube. You can type it on YouTube. but he samples Prodigy and Snoop Dog on the hook

and it's like, dear God, I wonder, can you save me? Illuminati. Hold my mind, soul, in my body. So, like, actually, that's the hook. But that was way before all this whole era came. He was telling you back then. Like, he was involved way back then. I mean, Jay-Z's not, like, a billionaire for no reason.

Like, just guys involved in things that are just far beyond our scope of knowledge, really. And the guy is a genius and very many different aspects of life. It's not just like music. Guys are a superb businessman. He knows what he's doing. But he's also connected with the right people. And that was alluring to me. Like you're seeing guys like that that are just on top, untouchable essentially.

You know, they've got this power behind them, you know. And then you start, you know, looking at it from like the aspect of like, you know, what's the other side giving me? Like, nothing. Like, you know, essentially. And then I was in a weird space anyway where I had stopped really just believe in anything. And I was just kind of on my own and nothing was working out and like working dead-end jobs and just nothing was happening. And then this started happening.

Like I started seeing it and it just became really alluring and exciting for me. And then I just started tapping in. I had a buddy of mine that was my hype man and he and I both got really involved, like deep with a lot of stuff. started getting to a lot of Alastair Crowley books, book of lies, book of the law, like started reading a lot of that stuff, started tapping into just that whole spectrum and, you know, wanting that lifestyle.

Interesting. You know, you mentioned about how, like, the other side wasn't offering anything. And I think that's very telling because, you know, I really, I mean, people who really don't know, they would say, what's the other side offering me? They're offering me sweet Jesus cupcakes. Like, I don't want that stuff.

Right. You know, I mean, I want the steak. I want the meat. I want the potatoes. I want the hard stuff, you know? And you're just offering me sweet cupcakes. Like, I don't want cupcakes, you know? And the reality is it's just a misconception.

Right. As far as I'm concerned. But very interesting stuff. And you, so this, this angle you took was always, motivated, I'm assuming, towards trying to make it in music and be successful. Well, yeah. Or was that just like an underlying? That was the main driving point, but it was also for, you know, I always, and we talk about, you know, Van Gogh and being underappreciated. And, you know, it was kind of my thing. It's like, I want this so I can stick it to everyone. Yeah.

Like, that didn't, like, believe in me. Yeah. And I think that that was the real underline tone there. I think that was more than just the fame for me. It was to be there in that place so I could squash those people. Because you see those people in those power positions. I mean, they can have people off like that. It's like nothing. You know, that was intriguing to me.

You know, I listened to the lyrics. I mean, you know, just the way they piece things together and, you know, the stuff they talked about. And Kanye was a huge part of that movement at the time to, Rihanna, all of them. were like huge part of Beyonce, like especially when it first started happening. Not that it hadn't been happening for years, but I think it just kind of like exploded online because, you know, at that time, YouTube was really getting big. And I think that's when the video started hitting and everybody started talking about it.

And for me, I didn't look at it as like a scary thing. I was like, that's what I want. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. I get it. I understand the allure. How old were you when you decided to kind of take this route?

Or, I mean, were you like a late teens, early 20s? 26, 27. Okay. So, you were well out of mom and dad's house at that point. Well out. Yeah. They had kicked you out and said you're... Absolutely, yeah.

You're off to... We're handing you over to Satan. I was self-sustainable at the time, like, as far as taking care of myself and, you know, my kids and stuff like that. And I think for me, it was very, you know, like I said, it was luring. Like, the whole thing, like, Sonic Order, Illamonati, wherever you want to call it. It showed me different names. But, you know, you know, you know, you... You go down that road and I wanted it, like real bad.

And I sought it out, you know, and I met a lot of crazy stuff along the way. Yeah. You know, I look back on now. I'm like, man, like, how did I get out of it? Well, I know we're going to get in a lot of that crazy stuff in the overtime. Right. But I wanted to see where we want to transition here. Because I definitely want the people to hear on this segment about your UFO encounter.

Now, is that the next step in this process? process for you? We can go there because it doesn't go as far as deep. I wouldn't say it was connected with the Freemasons, but it was definitely around that time I was seeking that out. And I think that I was very open to UFOs at the time. And I had always been anyway. I mean, who didn't watch ancient aliens and all that stuff. So, you know, for me, it was, you know, very, even that had a mysticism to it. You know, when you're talking about parallel universes and all that. because, I mean, it's not kind of how it works. Like, demonic entities kind of move in the same way, right?

So, like, a lot of people say that, that have had these experiences. So I brought it into hip-hop because I was hanging out with two, one hip-hop artist who at the time was doing pretty well for himself locally. And he had been traveling some. He actually had done a, he was on Jimmy Kimmel at one point towards the back end of the show. At the time, they were doing pretty well. It was a band. He rapped, though. he was staying with me at the time.

And, of course, my roommate, and we were all hanging out. And we decided to, it was really nice outside. And I don't know, we just kind of felt compelled to go outside. So we went outside. I think he was smoking a cigarette or something. That's why we stepped outside. It was real clear night. And we looked up in the sky.

And we just saw these objects moving. But it wasn't like a plane where it was going in a straight line. Because we had a lot of planes there because where I lived at the time was when of Robbins, Georgia. there's a huge Air Force base there. So you see stuff like that all the time, planes, right? But there's also a lot of, they call them orchards out there, but they have fences up and it's blocked out. You can't get in them. It's a government property. But they make it like it's an orchard out there. But, you know, there's a lot of weird stuff that has been seen out in these places.

That's not where I was at, but just to let you know that there's stuff that has been seen, you know, I feel like that happens around a lot of Air Force spaces anyway, the bigger ones. Sure. So we. looked up in the sky and my buddy was like, man, what, what is that? It's not moving like a plane. And we saw it kind of moving, stopping, and then moving in circular motions. And then we saw another one and it was moving a circular motion. And then it started rotating around. And we saw another one. It was like probably six or seven that were kind of moving around. And as we looked in the center was this huge. Like it wasn't lit up. What it had to be a ship or something.

It was a triangular object in the middle and all of these little, I don't know what they were, ships, whatever. Were they connected to the? No, they were moving separate from it. Wow. And so it was sitting there and these things are moving around in all these like weird positions. We watched this probably for about 30 to 45 minutes going down until it finally just subsided and then it all left. It was super wild because the object in the middle never moved and it never lit up like the other objects. But you could see it.

We were like, man, that is something huge right there. And when I say huge, when I'm looking up at the sky, it was massive. Like if it was to come down, it had to been like, I don't know, the size of a city or something. I don't know. It was huge. It was massive. It was probably one of the wildest things I've seen. And like I said, we sat out there for about 45 minutes.

And then it's just stunned. I was like, are we seeing this right now? Like, who is? Nobody else is outside either. Like, who's not seeing this? At what point in that, in that situation, do you start feeling like, I kind of feel like I'm in the Will Smith movie in the Penn State? I'm being invaded.

I mean, did you ever feel like, what the heck? Because, like, when you're telling this story, dude. Right. Actually, how are you feeling that moment? I mean, were you scared? No. You know what's so weird, I think because of the road I was on and what I was seeking out, like none of that stuff scared me.

Like, I invited it. I invited the danger back then. I wanted all of it. Like, demonic entities, all that stuff, none of that scared me. Like, it, I invited it. Yeah, it did. Because to me, it was something that nobody else was a part of. They couldn't be part of this club.

They weren't, you know, worthy enough to be in this, like, you know, club of elites and whatever else. Essentially, that's what it is. It's a club, you know. It's validation from other people that are in this club and you are now, you're not one of them. You're not a sheep. You're not one of these controllable things out here. You are the controller. Even if you're a puppet, you're still in a position that's above them.

Yeah. You know? And I think for me, like, none of that stuff scared me. I invited all of it. Like, I was like back then, I was just like, if I knew there was a UFO out in the middle of nowhere and I knew for a fact, I would run straight at the ship back then. psychotic like it so when you're telling this experience you're talking about the the lights going around in a circle right and these individual lights going around a circle around the triangle craft right these lights that were going around in a circle did you did you see

them come in to this craft like they came off from a distance and came I couldn't tell because it looked like they were coming from behind it as well so they would kind of go around it in the way it's where you disappear but then come up out of the top okay so it was like You knew something massive was there because you would see them go around it. So it was something weird. Like, I don't know if they were ships or not or they were lights or whatever. Yeah. But I know it was just, all I can say is an unidentified flying objects is what I saw.

I don't know what they were. Could have been government craft for all we know. We don't know what it was. Sure. But I can tell you that, like, it was probably one of the craziest things I've seen and see something that massive. It wasn't like somebody has that, you know, the famous saucer that shows. up or a ball of light or whatever. It was just like it looked like something that was just absolutely humongous.

Huh. Because like you're telling the story and I'm thinking of myself, what if those little lights were individual like baby ships? Well, that's what we thought too. What if they were bringing abducted people to the mothership? Could have easily been doing that. I know. That's what we were thinking too.

But they were definitely moving around it. But then you would see them dart off and then the light would stop. and you would see other lights appear. So we never could tell how many lights there were there. We just knew there was the massive object, and then there was just, like, little objects all around it. But we were thinking, like, if it's that massive, what we perceive it to be.

Now, once again, like, we're looking at depth process and all that. I don't know. You don't know how far it was. It seemed like it was far, like real far away. Because I can tell you that because we're in an Air Force town. So anything low would have been lower than that as far as aircraft goes. You would see the aircraft coming in because they're always like flying in or out. So they're never high.

They're never that high. So this was definitely way higher than what we would see coming in and out of the place. Interesting. Very interesting. Yeah. I mean, when you talk about darting off, that's when I think, man, what if they're going to get another kid? You know?

Never not. Like, and they're putting them in pods, you know? And they're going to put them in the secret space program for 20 years. and then they're going to go back in time and drop them off like it never happened. It's freaky stuff, man. I know, man. That's freaky stuff. Well, listen, we're going to get into some more talk here in the overtime segment.

Okay? I want to hit on the alien agenda because I know you have a lot of things to say about that. And also the demonic stuff and the Freemason stuff. And I'm going to throw a little teaser out there for people that are on the fence that are going over there. Let's just say it involves Papa Legba. What the heck is Papa Legba? Because you said it like I should know. I don't even know.

He is an entity in voodoo culture that he's supposed to be the gateway between you and whatever's on the other side. Okay. All right. Well, listen, I appreciate you coming on the show. Yeah. And before we get out of here, I want to give everybody a chance to hear about your music again. Just remember, guys, he is a musician and fantastic work.

And where can they find you and Kwan and Van Tesla and the music? music. So if you want to find us on Instagram, go to at Van underscore Tesla underscore. If you want to find us individually, which is always good too, go to Kwan Duke, at Kwan Duke. You'll find him on Instagram as well, and you'll find me at at Johnny underscore Idol underscore for Joel Thomas. If you want to find any of our music online at all streaming platforms, go to Joel Thomas or Kwan Duke. Generally, you'll find us, if you go to one page, you're going to see the Van Tesla stuff pop up pretty quick and all that's connected for both of us. So we generally, when we drop them, we do joint drops together and that's kind of how we put out the fantastic stuff. Yeah, when you drop Van Tesla

stuff, it's everywhere. And I was just like, I dig it. I dig it. So yeah, everybody, check out Vantessa, get their music because I'm telling you, you can be in on the ground floor on the ground floor of this fandom that's going to build up for you guys. I'm a huge fan. In fact, Mark is here in studio and he's the one that reached out to me to share the music. He produces your music. He does a lot of our music. Yeah. And when Mark reached out, he sent, he's like, I forget what Mark said. He's like, hey, this is a group that I work with, you know, check out the music. And to be honest with you, I think I was sitting on the toilet when he said to me. And I was like, I was like, well, I'm in the perfect spot to put this where it belongs, you know?

Like, I was like, because I mean, I get people that send a lot of music and stuff. I was like, okay, all right. Yeah. And then I was just like, holy crap. Right. I mean, listen, like, the first thing I look for in music, even before the lyrical content, right, is how does it sound? Because if you don't have the production down, even if you have good lyrics and you have a good message, people aren't going to hear it. Because they can't hear past the crappy music.

Right. For sure. but the music and the production was so good. And then I like, okay, let me listen to this song now. And I was like, whoa, these dudes are really talking about it. And that's when I messaged Mark back. And I was like, yo, we need to do something here. I think I actually sent Mark my cell phone number.

I was like, we need to talk. And so I'm very grateful to Mark doing this and reaching out and stuff. And I'm very grateful for the relationship I've been able to build over the past, what, six months or whatever with you guys. Right. But it's been really cool. And we're part of this journey, this resistance journey. It's not just music. It's podcasting. It's anybody. Yeah, anybody who is not going to settle for what's being crammed down our throats. Right. We are the rebellion. And it comes in many different forms. Some people are musicians. Some people are podcasters. Some people are poets. Some people are artists with a brush. There's some people who are preachers. There's people who aren't any of that stuff, but they are parents. Right. You know, and you're on the front line of the next generation if you're a parent.

Right. And so it doesn't matter who you are. If you have this spirit, this rebellion spirit of where we're going in the world, you are part of the rebellion, find your place in it. And so you guys are doing great with the music and we are joining forces here with what we do. And we're going to continue to do it moving forward. I appreciate that. Man, we love you too. Absolutely, man.

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