The Confessionals - 339: Goatman Found Us

Episode Date: May 18, 2021

In Episode 339: Goatman Found Us, we are joined by Terry Carnation from the Dark Air podcast! Terry relates his journey back into broadcasting after a hiatus prompted by the mysterious loss of his wife. We also have the opportunity to ask Terry his thoughts on bigfoot, dogman, and even the elusive ‘duckman’ that wars with the reptilians!Following our chat with Terry, we welcome back Jamaal from Episode 315: Skinwalkers On The Reservation. Jamaal recalls bigfoot experiences that have been shared with him, including an occasion when his friend’s grandfather shot at a bigfoot he caught stealing his sheep. Jamaal also describes a run-in with the mysterious goatman that seemingly found him and his friends while they were in the middle of a paranormal investigation.  BECOME A MEMBER AND GET ADDITIONAL SHOWS: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSPONSORSGET Hello Fresh: https://hellofresh.com/12tony Promo Code: "12tony" for 12 FREE MEALS!!!GET StoryWorth: https://storyworth.com/confessionalsGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: https://simplisafe.com/confessionalsGet Emergency Food Supplies: http://www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: https://bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] Community: Text "YUP" to 844-215-0819Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7h Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: merkificationFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkelSHOW INTRO Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3

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free, long, beach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. and he starts running and firing at this giant.

With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. It spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Hello, Tony. No, not yet, not yet. When the intro's done playing, I'll come in and I'll introduce you.

Fine. Feel something pulling at my leg, and I look over, and there are two small. all gray and the teeth pulling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Okay, today we have a special guest, Terry Carnation, sir, of Dark Air. How are you?

Hello, Tony. How are you? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. And I'm really excited to talk to you because I get the chance to ask some pearls of wisdom when it comes to broadcasting, especially along the lines of paranormal. How long have you been doing it? I have been in the broadcasting game 32 years, young Tony. And you were attempting to steal some industry secrets from me? You want some pointers?

I don't think so, because you, frankly, are the competition. Oh, man, I was hoping I could get some pearls of wisdom from you and stuff. But if we're not going to break that can of worms, that's fine with me. Now, I just found out that you are coming back to the airwaves after long abstince. Yes. How has that transition been for you? I mean, has it been difficult going from the whole AMFM radio game to the podcast game? Well, excellent question.

Thank you for asking. Yes, I have been host of Dark Air, AM Radio's top paranormal call-in show. We record in Los Angeles, but of course we telecast as the... say all across the nation and all across the world have fans in pretty much every country, except Bulgaria. For some reason, the Bulgarians, not a fan, not a fan of Terry Carnation. But we do what we can. As you know, Tony, I went through some dark years. I lost my wife, Zellon under dubious, mysterious circumstances. And I went to through a dark and clouded time, a chaotic time, uh, in my brain and in my bloodstream.

What do you mean by your bloodstream? Well, I, I, I went, I, I sought to go on a personal, uh, spiritual journey, uh, vis-a-vis the portals that were opened in my mind, um, having to do with ayahuasca. And this was in the jungles of Peru. And, well, I became, you know, I would say I found myself, but in actuality, I was found by the Peruvian military three months later. I have very few memories of that time. It was, it was incredibly painful. I didn't have shoes.

It was also emotionally painful. Apparently, I was discovered in a cave eating bat meat. by the Peruvian military. Fortunately, they had sent out a search party. I wandered away from the ayahuasca ceremony. Of course, it begins with an intensive bout of vomiting. And then I saw angels. Then I saw devils.

And then I saw some combination of the two and the d'angels. I don't know what you'd call them. And I became very scared. And I just started to run. And I ran as far as my barefoot feet could take me in the Andes, But eventually I was found and here we are having a nice little chitty chat. Wow. So that whole experience leads you to coming back to the whole paranormal talk radio and stuff.

How did you get involved in the paranormal talk? I mean, did you have a personal experience or how did that whole thing start for you with interest? Well, I did. Tony, it happened on a couple of different levels. If we're going way, way back, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the movie Ghost Dad. with Bill Cosby? Actually, I am not. I'm not much of a movie buff.

Well, Ghost Dad, 1989, is a classic by him who shall not be named. No, I'm not talking about Voldemort. I'm talking about Bill Cosby. And, you know, the title says it all. He was a dad and he was a ghost. Enchanting. Well, I, Tony, was raised by a ghost mom. Really?

Yes. I was raised by a spectral. mother. She left me and my father when I was about four or five years old with a specialty carpet cleaning professional. And apparently she passed away out on the road with him, nothing to do with vacuum cleaners or shampooers or anything like that. I'm not sure what the circumstances were.

But all of a sudden, I found myself one day making myself a peanut butter and jelly sandwich after school and there she was. She appeared to me and was stood at my side and she said, I know I've been gone, but I want to be in your life. I want to be, I want to be your mother. I'm on the other side, but that doesn't mean that we can't be close and that we can't communicate and we can't hug. Hugging is challenging with the spectral. It's not very tangible, Tony. But the idea was just beautiful. And we laughed. Oh, we had such a good time together.

We laughed. We chortled. And she took over making the sandwich from me right then and there. And I was like, oh, this is what it feels like to have a mother. Now, of course, she couldn't make the sandwich because she had ghost hands. She couldn't pick up the knife. But she was lovely. And, you know, Dr. Schneiderman, the neighbors, everyone thought, oh, this kid is delusional.

you know, he's making up imaginary friends. My father was very concerned. I went to see Dr. Schneiderman for many years, but I know, and at the end of the day, I think you, Tony, I think your listeners know that this was true. And I developed a very intimate rapport with my mother while she was behind the veil, so to speak. Wow. Well, I guess you don't have to worry about a lot of things that other people have to worry about. I mean, losing a mother, your mother's going to be with you for the rest of your life, right? She is still with me right. What?

No, I'm on it right now. I'm recording right now. Yeah. No. Yeah, grape jelly's fine. She's with me all the time. And frankly, it's a bit much. I understand.

It seems like she interrupts sometimes. Indeed. Indeed, she does. So on your show then, I mean, since you have this past with, you know, growing up with mother like yours. Do you ever come across stories on your show that kind of catch you off guard? Because, I mean, your life's story and history is pretty unique. Yes, I've heard dozens of stories, hundreds of stories that have, quite frankly, sent me reeling.

Occasionally, someone calls in claiming to be me from the future. And they sound just like me, Tony. It just sounds like old Terry with a little bit of static interference. And he claims to know what is going to happen to me. I keep asking him for stock tips. But of course, he won't he won't budge on that. But we've, oh, we've had some, we've had time travelers, many time travelers. I guess, you know, what I try and do, and like you, I'm just, I'm a lubricate.

that one can rub all over a conversation. So we're having a conversation. You just spritz me all over that conversation and just get it nice and just wet and lubed up and moving forward back and forth and in and out. And that's fine. But also what I am is I am a point of solace for many listeners.

We had a young woman calling the other. other day and her boyfriend, her boyfriend was a werewolf. And she wasn't sure whether to marry him or not. She wasn't sure whether she could have children with him. I mean, we don't know in the Lupine world, how do those genes get passed down? I mean, there's some fundamentally kind of bizarre, challenging and arresting questions that come with the paranormal. Indeed. Indeed. What do you think about some of these topics then. I mean, if you're talking to somebody who wants to marry or isn't sure if they should marry a werewolf, you seem to have covered a lot of different topics. Now, on this week's episode for my show, I have a guy who came on and shared a story of

a friend of his who had a grandfather who saw a Bigfoot stealing two of his sheep. And he actually shot at the Bigfoot and had an overwhelming sense of fear. And I wanted to ask you, as somebody who's experience with talking these people. Have you ever picked up anything where you're like, I certainly wouldn't do that? How would you react to, you know, seeing a Bigfoot stealing sheep? I mean, do you have any pearls of wisdom there for people to take with? Well, you know, he should have grabbed his camera instead of his gun and he'd probably be a very wealthy man, right? He could have sold that sucker to the weekly world news. Does that still exist? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not exactly sure. And hello, 10,000.

in my bank account later, thank you, thank you camera. I would never shoot at a big foot. I mean, what, how much does a couple of sheep cost? What is that? What is he out? Like, $300? Like big, big whoop-dy-whoop. Right. Also, what happens if he wings it, it turns on him. It's only been clipped, the gun jams. Now, that's a movie I would watch. That's a problem. That's a problem. That would be an excellent film. It's almost like a predator, you know, only it's Bigfoot coming after their old farmer. I would leave a certain, I would just have a certain number of sheep that you leave to the Bigfoot as an ancient human would make a sacrifice to the gods. That makes sense. I mean, if you get more sheep than you need, then there's always sheep there for the Bigfoot then.

But do the Bigfoot utilize the wool? That's the first place. My brain went to. I mean, what need have they for wool? Is it just only for meat, which is such a shame? But I think Sasquatch have been known to use every part of the animal, much like their Native American forebears. Maybe it's to blend into the surrounding during the wintertime when the snow's on the ground, you know? Maybe that's something there.

Perhaps a woolen hat. There you go. You never know. I mean, do Bigfoot actually lose hair as they get older? Maybe they have a need for the hat. Interesting. Interesting. Now, I wanted to ask you about, have you ever heard of the goat man? Have you ever heard of anybody calling in about a goat man?

Now, I've heard of the goat man. I've read of the goat man. We've not had any callers. What can you tell me? Well, I was hoping you could tell me because I'm not exactly sure what the goat man is. I wasn't sure if it was a Baphomet or something that was more sinister along the demonic lines. But again, on this week's show, I have a person coming on to talk about such things where he and his friend saw this looking like a half goat, half man, creature and they had some glow sticks outside this warehouse. They were doing paranormal investigations and it actually picked up their glow stick. And I just wasn't sure if you had any thoughts on Goatman, whether it was more along the lines of a demonic Baphimed or if it was some kind of crypted like a Bigfoot. Or Chupacabra. Yes, so many excellent questions. Now, could the goat man be a satyr or a faun, as in from, you know, ancient Greek legend and mythology or is said goat man demonic?

I think it's, I think it has to do with creatures that cross over, from the dark side. And I am guessing that this goat men, I don't know if there's multiple or if it's just one. I'm going to assume there's many. They may be scouts for, for the dark law.

for Satan himself. That's a possibility. Now, have you heard of the hollow earth theory and stuff? Because maybe these creatures do come from the inner earth. Certainly. Certainly. I don't know whether the earth itself is hollow, but I don't understand why that simply couldn't be a portal from another dimension, from a dark dimension. Yes, yes. Portals is something that people talk about coming across in the woods and seeing, you know, things coming in and out and stuff. So I've never heard of a goat man coming in and out of a portal and stuff, but I'm sure the possibility is there for sure. Now, what about the duck men at the highest levels of the government, half man, half duck? That is new to me. That's something that you've heard of? I have. I have. And I think after work

hours, they put their bills back on. But if you're able to, you know, unbuckle their belt and drop their trousers, immediately you'll see giant white, roughly feathers. on their bums. That's interesting. And these are people in housing and urban development and in the Defense Department, you know, Department of Education, IRS, highest levels. Wow. So are they higher than the reptilian people?

Because I heard about the reptilians and stuff. Are these duckmen higher levels than that? I think there's some kind of a, it's like a gang war. It's like the sharks and the jets, the duckmen versus the reptilian people. but in government. So now, what's the difference between a duck man and a furry? Someone who just likes to put on a rabbit costume and cuddle and go to Comic-Conns. I don't know.

I don't know. Maybe one day we'll come across one. We can ask them. I don't know, though. I think that would be a good idea. Yeah. You're kind of like the paranormal Joe Rogan, aren't you? Maybe.

Maybe. I have, I'm very uncomfortable of being compared to somebody as great as him, but it'd be amazing if I was. So I actually hope that, you know, I could just kind of follow in your footsteps and stuff. There you go. Good answer, right answer.

Ding, ding. Yeah, I was grasping as straws there, but yes, because you have actually laid the groundwork for 32 years. 32 years. You brought up the duckmen. Now, do you go into the conspiracies and things like that? Like, I don't know, MK Ultra or things like that

when it comes to your program? Are you open to talk about that? Well, Culture is not a conspiracy. It's a fact. You know, this was, you know, celebrities at the highest level. Hollywood denizens were being dosed with LSD by the CIA. There's incontrovertible truth. This is absolutely backed up by facts.

But there are other, you know, quote unquote conspiracies that some I struggle with. viruses being created by 5G cell towers. I'm not saying no. I am always, as you know, Tony, open to all possibilities. But some of those, I have some questions. I have some questions. The jury's out. What about then if we're going to talk about conspiracies and such?

And I actually, you know, I understand where you're coming from with some of these things. but UFOs, for the longest time, that was considered a conspiracy. But now we have our government coming out and saying that these things are real. And just next month they're setting to do some kind of disclosure. I mean, what are your thoughts on all this stuff? Well, I'm so glad you brought that up. But this is a new day for all of us in the paranormal supernatural fields. A new day has dawned where finally the government has stopped denying the

incontrovertible evidence of unidentified flying objects, that they are not human. They seem to be manned. They seem to be operating on some kind of higher level intelligence and technology. And it's just a fact. It always has been. So this has obviously greatly buoyed my spirits and other. others as well. My question is, if the aliens, what are they doing here? Like, are they just observing? Are they just waiting for World War III? Are they kind of learning about culture? Perhaps they're

listening to this podcast right now. But what, what are they doing? And if so, wouldn't they have a technology to be able to observe humanity without showing that they're here? That's a great question. Couldn't they be hiding behind the moon with like an antenna and like peek out occasionally and see what's going on? Do they really need to be flying their pyramid or tick-tac shaped, you know, vessels, you know, over Cuba or over Mount Shasta? For Christ's sakes. I never really thought about that. And that's a great question. Maybe there's an actual physical reason why they need to be here.

Maybe they are considering revealing themselves to the. the world and kind of have to be here to do that. I would imagine a hologram would be not the way to go because then people would say it's conspiracy. It's not real. So it's something more than simply observation, perhaps colonization. Maybe. Maybe they planted us here a long time ago and they are now getting ready to say, Daddy's home. They're seeing how we're doing. Yes. And how are we doing, Tony? Not very good. Frankly, not very good at all. That's very true. Well, listen, Mr. Terry Kornation, before I let you go, I wanted to ask you, because a lot of people have been emailing me asking me where to find your program, which I don't understand why they haven't been able to find it.

But if you could just clear. Just open your computer and use bin. Exactly. Or ask Jeeves. Exactly. It's all there. But it seems like a little bit of conspiracy to me that people can't find your program as if somebody doesn't want it to be. found. So if you could talk about people. That's ridiculous. Well, as you know, I'm a terrestrial radio,

KSB, Los Angeles. That is a little bit difficult to find. But these kids these days, and I'm sure you're aware of this, what we used to call a radio show, they now just record and call a podcast. Why do they call it a podcast, Tony? Because it is available to download on your iPod. And hence the word podcast. So that's what we've been doing with dark. Air with Terry Carnation is recording it. It's a radio show. It's also a bit of an audio book and it is a podcast. So, for instance, I have an iPod, second generation.

I can have 147 songs stored on this thing. That's 147. And it's, I mean, it's the size of a cigario. So just go to. to wherever podcasts are downloaded and just download it right onto your iPod and then you can listen to it at any time. Awesome. Well, I'm sure people are going to be absolutely thrilled now that they know exactly where to find your program. Indeed. Indeed. Tony, I wish you the very best with your show. This has been a wonderful confession. I actually was going to con, I thought this was a Catholic

podcast. I was going to be confessing some of my darker crimes. But, hey, If you want to go ahead and do that, we can do that. That's fine with me. Or maybe another time. I killed my cousin, Walter, when I was seven. Oh, okay. Well, I don't know if that's the exact confession we're looking for that there might be liabilities involved. We were playing with a sit-in, ride in a lawnmower, and I backed into him and shredded his leg and he bled to death in front of my eyes. were you at so it was an accident it's okay it's all right it was an accident but the the screams that preceded this event were just us horse it was just horse play i swear it was horseplay it was not an argument we were not fighting and when i was shouting at him you deserve to die walter i was we were playing a spy guy

game. So, um, but, uh, do you have anything for, do you have any retribution for me? Do you have any any, any? I, I really think you might have had the program confused with a different type of program. Uh, I, I just feel so good to get that off my chest. Oh, finally. Well, I'm glad I was able to help you with that, really, but um, do you forgive me, Tony? Yeah. Does Joe Rogan forgive me? Yeah. Yeah, we're all good here, sir.

We're all good here. Excellent. Yes. Excellent. Well, thank you. Thank you so much. I feel 20 pounds lighter, which I could stand to lose a few. And thank you so much.

And it was nice talking about the paranormal with you as well. So win-win, double bonus. Win-win. Thanks a lot, sir. Thank you for having me. That got awkward. Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody you're listening to The Confessionals.

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and I'll be doing it right there on YouTube and sharing it with the world as I do it. So go ahead and subscribe to the YouTube channel today, The Confessionals. All you got to do is look it up, and it's right there. The Confessionals on YouTube. Now, today we have Jamal coming on the show, and Jamal was on the show before, and he shared a lot of his experiences from the Native American perspective with the Skin Walker and his experiences with such entities. And today he's back to talk about Bigfoot and Goat Man. These are jaw-dropping stories. I'm really glad Jamal is here to share them with you.

So let's get to Jamal right now. All right. Today we got a returning guest to the show. We have Jamal. Jamal, how you doing, man? Good. How you doing, John? I'm doing good, man. So long time, no talk, right? No, actually, it's been about a month for us.

Yeah. I don't know if it's going to be a month for everybody else. I have no idea when these two interviews are going to be aired and all that stuff. But, dude, man, the first interview that I did with you impressed me a lot. And I had to have you back on. I think if I remember correctly, you and I scheduled it right there after we were done recording, right? Yeah, right after the interview was done, which was surprising me so. Yeah. Great. I mean, there was no. all right, reach out to Lindsay and she'll get a schedule. I'm like, let's get it done now. So, you know, by the time everybody's hearing this interview, they had heard the first one. So hopefully everybody enjoyed the first one because they're going to get more of you today. But listen,

we're going to talk about a lot of different topics today, or at least we're going to go through as many topics as we can today. Just to give the audience a brief outlook as to what we're still going to be talking about with you. I have a list here of aliens, big foot, little people, goat men, ghost boy and levitating witch. And I'm sure you might sprinkle some other stuff in there, too. So, yeah, Jamal, man. I'm really excited about talking to you. Let's start off the Bigfoot stuff, man. Talk to me. What do you got? Okay. So I just want to say thank you for having me on the show with a second time. It's an honor. Um, well, I'll get right into it. All right. So we'll start up with the, uh, the Bigfoot stories that I have. Um, so, you know, I've always been a believer in.

in Bigfoot. I'm just kind of the person I am. I'm pretty open-minded. But what really got me started on Bigfoot is the story that my friend, and this is the same friend from the first interview we did, we tend to... We're into the same thing, so every story he has, he tells me and every story I tell him.

But this is a story of his grandfather, who, a lot of Native Americans, they take care of sheep. And usually during the summertime, they're in the mountains. And then when it's cold, they come down from the mountains. So they usually have, like, two homes. So they're always going back and forth between them. But this story takes place in the summertime because,

or, yeah, it takes place in the summertime. and my friend's grandfather just got done taking his sheep up to that one. And he's heard things before, but he doesn't really pay too much mind to it. But I guess this one time when he was up there during the summertime, he was asleep. This is probably around maybe 9 or 10 p.m. So it's pretty dark And usually the elderly He's around here

They like to go to sleep early Get up early It's just kind of how it is But he was asleep And he It's just him He has a gun And he has a few sheep

That he tends to So he's asleep He hears like his sheep Like some things have There's some kind of commotion going on So he hears his sheep like yelling. So he doesn't like,

he doesn't know what's going on. So he gets up, he puts his shoes on, gets his jacket, he walks outside with his gun to see what's going on. And right now, he's kind of just like on his porch. And it's a clear night,

the moon shining, so it's pretty lit, but, and his sheep girl is not that far from his house. And he hears them yelling, and he's kind of confused and when he puts his glasses on and he kind of like

is taking a closer look out there to see what's going on because maybe he's sneaking maybe like a bear or something a bobcat or something some kind of wild animal might be there with his sheep or something so he gets a little closer and he maybe gets

maybe a couple of feet from his house and he sees something stand up and it's it's like it's huge the way my friend described it uh the way his grandfather described it was like it was tall and it was had very like broad shoulders uh and it was probably around maybe eight eight and a half nine feet tall. It was a pretty big. So he's just standing there staring at this thing and, and this big foot or Sasquatch grabs two of his grandfather's sheep and kind of just like chucks him over both his shoulders and he's just walking away. And what my friend's grandfather did in that moment was he was just frozen

he didn't know like what to do you you couldn't believe what he was seen um and so the only thing he could think of was to shoot in the direction of the Sasquatch to try to get it to drop his sheep so he aims the rifle down

uh I don't think he intentionally wanted to shoot it um but he did shoot in its general direction And when it fired, he said this thing just, it stopped, like, where it was, it stopped in its path, and it turned around and it looked at him. And it just, like, just stared at him. And that's, that's all he said is it just stared at him. Like, it was, like, angry. And he kind of got this weird, like, feeling.

Like, like, the thing was, like, he felt like the thing was telling him, not, not, not, like, telepathically, It's just the feeling he got. Like I said, like, you don't want to do that. Yeah. So he just lowered his gun and he kind of just, like, started backing away into his house. And then the saskatch just slowly turns back into the direction he was heading. And then he just starts walking away with both the sheep on his shoulders. And he's just, like, casually just walking away from the corral.

and this friend's grandfather goes back into his house and he's just like awake for the rest of the night until morning comes and he didn't really know what to do so I guess he kind of just started like getting his sheep together got on his horse and made his way back down to the back to his house out of the mountains and I think he spent the rest of the summer away from the mountains because he didn't want to deal with any of that.

So he was kind of scared, I guess, in a way. And I think this happened like in the early 2000s, somewhere around there. So when I heard that story, I was kind of just like, well, that's pretty cool. And then also there was this same friend. It's his aunt, his uncle, and his cousins. It's in the mountains. This is all on the reservation, by the way. I should have mentioned that earlier, but it's on the reservation.

It's on a mountain called Cheshka. Cheshka mountain. It's a pretty long stretch of mountain. It's not huge, but it's there. It kind of divides, it's kind of funny. It divides New Mexico from Arizona. kind of. But I guess his aunt-uncle have a cabin in the woods that they like to spend time in whenever they can, usually during the summertime.

And one time, he did go up there. It was the first only time he kind of went up there. But his aunt invited him out there to spend time with his cousins and mountains. And he was up for it. So he goes into the mountains and they arrive at the cabin. Everything's pretty normal and nothing out of the ordinary. And when it starts getting dark, probably around 8, 8.30, they start telling them to get inside. and that they're going to go ahead and start locking up the cabin.

And he was kind of confused. He didn't know what's going on. He just thought it was kind of strange because I think he wanted to kind of hang out at night and just hang out with his cousins. But his aunt and uncle told them to all come inside. So they did. And I guess his cousins were, you know, it's like a routine. Like whenever they go up there, it's something they'd always do.

so they don't really like question it. So they're kind of used to it, but he's kind of just like, my friend's kind of like, I don't know what's going on. And then they get everything locked up and they have these like weird, like blackout curtains that they put over the windows

on the outside. So they do that. And he was just like, this is kind of weird what is going on here. And then the inside, they have these wooden boards that they kind of just put up against the window and then they have these

locks that they put on the doors on the inside like a few of them and then they have a generator up there so they turn that off and there's only one light source coming from a lamp and it's like a very dim

kind of a light so again my friend's just like this is kind of weird like I don't know what's going on here so when it's probably like around 9, 915 and he gets a little curious

so he asks his aunt and uncle like, what's funny, why are you guys doing this? Kind of weird.

And they just told him that he'll, he'll know in a bit, but they just tell him that, you know, be quiet. Try not to make too much noise. Don't move around too much.

Just lay down and be quiet. And so he was kind of confused, but he's their guest, so he kind of just, like, okay, I'll do that. And then around like 9.30, he's laying down. He's on the floor. He's sleeping on the floor. Him and his cousins are sleeping in the room or in the living room. And his aunt and uncle are sleeping in their room. And it's dark windows are kind of blocked out. doors are heavily locked and he just hears like some really loud thumping outside and he looks toward his cousins and they're just like have their like one of them has like

their finger over his mouth like shh. And he's yeah so he's confused but he's starting to get a little scared at this point and he's like what's going on? I don't know. So it's just cousins. He's just like, he just got to be. And then he hears the thumphing getting louder and louder.

Like it's coming toward his, his cousin's cabin. And then he hears like something like right outside the door. And it's, it's kind of just like feeling like around the door. Like it's, I don't know if it's like just curious or it's trying to get, get in, but it's

there for maybe a couple of seconds and then he says it starts he starts hearing the thumping like walk around the house go toward the windows and then he hears something like a noise like something breaking and I guess

this thing pulled that blackout curtain thing off the outside of the cabin and that kind of just went on for about 30 minutes, 30, 45 minutes. And my friend's just scared, and his cousins are just like, you just gotta be quiet, man. And then 30, 40 minutes pass and this thing, he just hears it, like, walking away slowly. And he, like, before it walked away, he heard, like, this thing was, like, kind of, like, frustrated or something.

like I think it was like curious I wanted to see what was happening in this cabin and I guess it's not the first time that's happened hence why they kind of had everything like worded up everybody indoors before it got too dark and everything locked up but he kind of heard like some like

huffing or something and around like 10 30 11 he's still awake he's scared he doesn't know what is happening and he's looking at his cousin And then they kind of start talking a little normal. They're no longer whispering.

And they were just like, yeah. It's like, sorry, this happens a lot when we're up here. You just got to be quiet and let it do its thing and we're good. And he was just like, what is that? And his cousins just like, oh, it's the Sasquatch. It's a big foot. And there was like, so they were just like kind of just going back and forth talking about it all. night. And they eventually, eventually he falls asleep because his cousin's fall asleep first and he's kind of just like bored there.

And he's like kind of thinking like, well, if they can fall asleep with this thing outside, then I'm pretty sure I'm fine. So he falls asleep come morning. He asks his uncle and auntie about them and they kind of just had the same thing. His cousin said, and he's like, yeah, it's a big foot. It happens more often than we'd like. but we were prepared for it. And I see, he was kind of scared, so he just wanted to go home. So they were like, all right, we'll take you home. And that was his weekend trip with his cousins.

And when he told me that story, I was just like, well, that is cool. Do you mind you want to hear of your aunt and uncle invite me out there? I kind of want to experience this to myself. I want to see this. but yeah he I guess he kind of just kind of like backed away from his

aunt and uncle that part that side of the family he kind of just like kind of stayed away from them he didn't want to go back up the mountains anymore with them so yeah that was that was pretty pretty cool experience that he had um

and this was kind of like added to my uh belief like I believe even more now that Bigfoot is real. And this one's kind of like my own personal story. So when it happened, I didn't really think too much of it. I kind of forgot about it for a little bit. But like I think a year or two ago, I kind of like gave it some thought because I was just listening to your podcast.

And I was also listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. And it kind of triggered his memory. I mean, it's always been there, but, like, the scary side or the weird side of that story, it kind of, like, came back. And because, like, I was, like, trying to remember, like, why did I rush out of that area so fast? I can't remember. And then when I started hearing your podcast, Sasquatch Chronicles, it kind of, like, triggered it. It's like, oh, that's why I got out of that area so fast. But basically, when I was younger, my stepfather had a four-wheeler, and I would always, like, every chance I would get on it and go for a ride.

And this is out on the reservation. And this was probably, like, we just got out of school. And my sister and I were home alone. I was like, hey, I'm going to go for a ride on the four-wheeler. I'll be back later. And my younger sister, who's a year younger than me, was like, hey, I want to go with you. I want to go for a ride? And I was like, all right, let's go.

So we go out back at my parents' house, start up to four-wheeler. And it's about like 7.7.30. My parents aren't back yet. I'm pretty sure they're probably working late that day. and we go for a ride and we head we go I'm not good with directions say south we go south probably about half a mile

we have to ride on the road for a little bit and then we get off a little trail and that's the trail I took and it heads to a little ditch a lot of people kind of use it if they have like motorcycles or four wheeler or something and they kind of just hang out there. So I was like, okay, we'll go there. There's some pretty cool, like, hills we can ride up or something.

So we go there, we get there, and we're kind of just, like, going up and down the hills in that area. You know, just being kids, hanging out, having fun. And then, like, I stopped because my sister was like, can I drive it? And I was like, I'm not sure. I was like, fine. and like I left the engine on. I was getting ready to get off and we were at the bottom of this ditch.

And I kind of like, I'm just looking around because I get this weird feeling like something's watching me. And that's one feeling that confuses me about where people get the feeling that something's watching them. That's something I got. So I was looking around and around a corner there's something standing there

so the ditch is kind of like it curved and like it curved to the right and we're at the bottom and my sister's getting ready to get off

and I'm just looking in this direction because I have a feeling there's like there's something here watching me and I'm just staring and this thing

is big it's like it's covered in fur it was a very dark brown, maybe black color. And it it's just like

it just like slowly like peeks out around the corner with its hands on the like the really steep hill and it's just like looking at us and I'm like my eyes are wide open and I'm like oh my God, what is that? What is that?

And so when I tell my sister, like hey, do you see that? Can you see this? And she looks up and she starts screaming. And I just tell her to hang on. And when she, my sister, like, puts her armor on me, I just take off on the four-wheeler. I turn around as quickly as I can.

And I started going up this hill because I was kind of scared. I didn't know what that was. When I turned to look back, it's kind of just like barely peeking out, looking at us. and I just turned back straight, look back forward and I'm out of there and for the longest time

I couldn't remember like the details of it I just knew it was big it was furry and it was very dark and it was just staring at us and I think it was just like curious

like what are these guys doing here because I have heard stories from friends and family to like the the Sasquatch, Bigfoot, like to use these ditches to, like, go in between places because it's low. Vehicles can't see them when they're driving by,

and there's these tunnels throughout the area that they can just kind of take cover in. So I'm pretty sure. I'm positive. I might have saw a Sasquatch then. If not, maybe a dog man, I'm not sure. or yeah, well, the dog man thing is kind of new to me. I've always thought of these things as like werewolves or something.

So the dog man Bigfoot phenomenon, would you rather have it be a Bigfoot or a Dogman? I would rather have it be a Bigfoot because that's what I kind of grown up on. And the dog man thing is pretty new to me. It's something I, like, I'm open-minded, but it's something that I can't really wrap. my head around, really. It's a little weird. I think it's funny. You're like, I'm open-minded, but last show we talked about Skimwalker,

now we're talking about Bigfoot, Little People, Goat, Man, Ghost Boy, aliens. And you're like, I'm open-minded. Yeah. I mean, like, werewolves, they seem to them in movies, but, like, in real life, I've never actually, like, heard stories about it. Yeah. The reason why I would say it was, it might be a dogman or a werewolf is because it's mouth area was like kind of elongated a little bit not too much uh and when i heard your podcast

saskatch chronicles talking about dogman describing and i was like i have no idea like i was pretty certain it was a saskatch but i might be wrong it might be a dog man or werewolf or something i don't know it's very weird very confusing yeah well i mean go ahead yeah no you guys I mean, these categories are definitely confusing. I mean, it's hard to make sense as to what's what. It's hard to understand what Sasquatch is, Bigfoot, or any of these other topics and stuff. But what we do know is that people are seeing this stuff out there.

And there's more than one person seeing this stuff. I mean, there's lots and lots of people. So from somebody who hasn't seen any of these things, that's why I go forward with it because I start thinking, man, these things got to be real if everybody's seen them. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, those are the few Sasquatch stories that I have that kind of stand out. Well, let me ask you real quick, your friend here. Yeah. Now, he has this experience in his cousin's home. And the whole family is just like, yeah, it's Sasquatch. We prefer them not to come around, but they come around. He says that he hasn't gone back. He doesn't go back there anymore. Is it that like he feels, I'm, I'm,

I'm assuming it's the area, not the family, right? That's what I'm trying to ask. Yeah, it's, it's the area because it's, there's like so many, like, so I will say this, the mountains, especially the mountains, but pretty much all over the reservation. There's a lot of weird stuff that goes on out there. And I think that was just like, it was too close of a chance that he was comfortable with. So he was just like, he didn't want to do it again. He even wanted to experience that again.

Yeah. Yeah, because, like, I think he's interested in this stuff, but he might be a little, like, kind of scared to find it because, and then in the previous interview, I was telling about the weird humanoid thing toward the end where we were on top of the daycare, and I wanted to go down because I wanted to get a closer look at this thing, and my friend, he didn't want to go down. He didn't want to mess with that.

So, yeah, I don't know. But yeah. And then, sorry, like 2013, 14. But my, I guess there's like a huge hype about a Sasquatch footprint's ever found up in those mountains or like down below the mountains. Not too far from where my sister's ex lives.

I guess his father is like a ranger, and he was in charge of that case to figure out what this thing was, but apparently someone found Sasquatch footprints. It was in the newspaper and everything. People were talking about it where I work, and I guess nothing came up. I think they just kind of let it go, and that was kind of it. Yeah, it's interesting when that kind of stuff pops up in the news, and, you know, they make a big stink about it because, it's i mean yeah footprints are they're interesting and you know it's tangible evidence that something

either really big was there or somebody was trying to make you think something was really big there but it's that tangible evidence that you know the skeptics especially are looking for they're just like i if if it's out there i got to believe it by you know the evidence the the the whatever it leaves behind or seeing it myself uh but you know there's so much stuff going on with Bigfoot and these sightings that, I mean, if they really wanted to focus in on the topic, they'd have a treasure trove of things to write about because footprints is the least of it, you know? But yeah, those are my, those are my, those are my, the few sets which stories that I have. I mean, any chance I get to talk to anybody about this, hear their story.

or stories they've heard, I will listen and tell them my stories, exchange stories. For me, I like building up a collection of whatever, like, paranormal, supernatural, weird stories that people have and just kind of take that and add it to my little story inventory so I can tell to other people later. Well, all right, so those are your Sasquatch stories. Where do you want to go from here? I mean, we've got plenty of topics to talk about. would you like to talk about the let's do this let's let's go goat man since that's kind of like the

next type of cryptid on the list that actually isn't an alien so oh yeah okay so this one's kind of new to me uh and um and my when i think he was probably like i've only i've known about it for like maybe five, six years. And so I've never heard anything about like goat man or anything. So it's like, it's like you'd, like, I've seen the movie called Black Sheep where it's like weird like sheep that turn into like monsters or something. And I was like, oh, that's pretty interesting. That's pretty cool. But I never thought it was like an actual thing like a half man, half goat kind of.

of a creature, I guess you can say. But what kind of turned me onto the topic was what happened a couple years ago. It was the same friend that is Sasquatch and the Skinwalker, the same guy, same friend. It's me, it's him, and there's this girl that he likes. He has a huge crush on her. And then my idea was like, hey, why don't you invite her out to one of our hunts and see what kind of scary stuff we can find? And he's like, okay, let's do that. So that's just what I've always been that kind of a person.

Like, let's go look for something weird. So he invites her. and we decided to go in her vehicle since she has a truck. And at this time, my friend didn't have a vehicle, and I had a vehicle, but I don't like taking it off-road. But she lives probably about an hour away. My friend's already at my parents' place. He was staying the weekend there, and she decides to drive all the way out to pick us up, and then we go to this area, which is this middle school that I used to go to.

It's called Toholina Community School. It's on the reservation. It's just below the Cheshka Mountain. And this is kind of where a lot of stuff kind of happens. There's like a lot of stuff that happens here, a whole lot. But anyways, so it's a fairly new building. I think it's our facility. I think they have like preschool all the way to eighth grade and then that's the only like classes they have.

But it's, I think the new facilities have been there for maybe 50 years or so, 40, 50 years. Before that, there's a old school that's right next to it, but those are like, they, they, they, look kind of just like housing and their buildings and those have been there for a long time and those were like boarding schools and for Native Americans

not a happy place which is why I think there's a lot of like negative energy there because there's just so much stuff that went on there but that might be a story for another time but these buildings that we were in where the old school was

is abandoned. So it's just this big area just full of like buildings that are just falling apart. And we decided to go there because we wanted to see something.

We didn't know what we were looking for. We just went in there with an open mind. Like, oh, let's see what we find. Maybe we'll find something. Maybe we'll see a Skinwalker. Maybe we'll see an alien. Maybe we'll see a big foot. We'll see.

So we get there. We pull up. And we're kind of just hanging out in my friend's crush. I'll just call her friend too. But she, we sat in her truck. We were there for like 20 minutes and we were kind of exchanging scary stories just trying to get us like in the mood hyped up to go look for this stuff. She didn't have any scary stories to tell because I think she kind of just kind of tends to stay away from this stuff.

But we tell her all of our experiences of stuff that kind of, went on around there. And so, we're like, yeah, well, let's, let's get out. Let's go, let's go look in some of these houses. I mean, we're not supposed to be in these houses, but we do it anyways. I think a lot of people do it.

If you go inside these abandoned buildings, they're tacked up with a lot of graffiti. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. But there's these abandoned building, or, yeah, buildings. There's like five.

So when you're going towards the school, you go to a curve, and there's five buildings on the right side, and there's like another lane. That road's closed off, but another lane with six or seven buildings on each side that are abandoned. And you go further down the road, then it's the new facility. It's probably like maybe half a mile long. And then there's the old school building, which is like this huge, white house

it's like I think it's where they did the majority of their classes and stuff but it's a huge it's abandoned a lot of stories for that too there too like a lot of paranormal ghost stories for that building too

but we pull up to the houses on the right side of the road we're parked behind the building there's a little like pathway people will kind of just like go to go back there there but we get out

by the vehicle we're walking around we're seeing which houses are open because we don't really want to like if it's already broken then we'll go in if it's pretty heavily boarded we're not going to try to go in there but there's like

building in the middle and it had like boards on the window before but this time it was removed so there's just this glass like there and the window was probably like maybe a foot

foot and half by like a foot and a half wide so we're like let's go on this building let's see what's in here and also I should mention this is probably this is around like 10, 11 p.m. We had to do this stuff at night because it's the best

time to do it so we go to this building the board's gone and we're like okay let's break the window let's see what's in this thing so we broke the window there's still a glass on there so I was wearing a sweater I took it off and I kind of

just put it on the glass just so we don't cut ourselves and then we jump in or I go in first and then my friend comes in and then his crush comes in and

we're all in that building we're just kind of with looking around we have like two flashlights and we got these like glow sticks like the weird we got them from a place here called the bunker it's like they sell

like a bunch of like surplus supplies or something and they had these really huge close sticks that are like really bright so we got a couple of those you cracked one threw it on the ground and it lit up the whole room

and there's like several rooms and we're kind of just like looking around and then seeing what we can find just exploring and then we hear something walking around outside

and we're kind of like like hey everybody be quiet, just listen and we hear like something walking around. I sound like hooves and me I'm trying to think logically or realistically here I might just be like some gears

like we think we're fine so okay it might be like some dears but it might be like some dears but it started like walking around the building that we were in and we're kind of just like like it's a very curious year like what is it what is it doing but it didn't sound like it was walking on four legs

it sounded like it was just two hooves on the ground and the ground's pretty solid around there and we hear like twigs breaking and then we hear like some heavy breathing do dears do that do deer's like heavy breath I'm like ask my friend that and he's like I don't know like I never I don't spend that much time around deer's like oh well it's kind of weird like maybe we should just be quiet

because I feel like something I feel like that's not a deer outside and we just like we're just silent and my friend standing close to his friend and I'm just like standing there and like silent for like maybe a minute and we started to hear like a what the, it doesn't sound like a deer and my friends, her friend's just

looking at the girl and she just got her hand over her mouth and she's like, I think she was like really terrified of what was happening. And then he just kind of like got his arm around her. Like, I'm just over there. Like,

I mean, like in a situation like this, I tend to make jokes. Just try to lighten the mood. I'm just like, hey man, like, you want to hold me too?

Man, I'm scared to. So, um, uh, he's just looking at me. He's like, shut up.

I'm like, I'm sorry. Sorry. And we're just like quiet again for maybe another couple of seconds. And then we just, start hearing it, like, walk toward, like, we hear it, like, on the right side of the building, right, we're faced toward the window that we were in, and on the right side, we hear it, like,

walking in it. And we didn't want it to find the window that we came in from, because we didn't want it to block our only way out. So we look around really quick, and we find the board, and I guess it was the board that was on the, like, on the outside. So, like, we hurry up and get to the window. We reach out, we grab it, you pull it in, and then we kind of just push it up against the window. And we're just like really quiet, my friends with the girl,

and I just got my hands pushed up against the board, and I'm just like, we're just like really quiet. And then we hear it like walks right next to the window, and it's standing there. I think it might have hurt us. We're trying to be as quiet as possible, but obviously that's not going to happen. So it's standing there, outside.

We hear it breathing again, and just making that noise that I made earlier. And I'm just like, oh, God, this is, like, I'm just thinking this in my head. Like, I hope it doesn't, like, please go away, please go away, please go away, please go away. And then we, and then, like, it just gets quiet. And I'm not sure if it's still there.

I didn't hear it walk off, so obviously I'm not going to move the board. and then you start hearing it, like, walk away from the window. And it sounds like it's going towards my friend's girl's truck. And then I'll just share, like, start fading away. And, okay, I was like, okay, I think it's gone. Like, I looked toward my friend and it's like, hey, man, do you want to get out of here? And he's like, yeah, let's go, let's go.

So I slowly put the board down and then I look out the window to see what's like, to see it's still there. And I'm just looking out the window for a couple seconds. And I kind of like glanced towards my friend and I'm like, I think it's gone. So I was the first one to go through. So I put my sweater back on the window. I crawl back through the window and then my sweater falls. So I went to go pick it up and then I hear something.

So like right behind me, I'm facing the window picking up my sweater. And I hear it behind me. I hear like a little twig break. And then I just hear that same thing. And just like, oh my God. I look back and I don't see anything. And like I'm like, I'm in shock. I'm like I'm scared.

I don't know what to do or what's going on or what's going to happen. And so I look toward my friend slowly because it's pretty dark. There's a bunch of trees everywhere. And it's cloudy, so I couldn't really see. So I just looked at my friend. I was like, hey, throw it. And he was like, okay, it's like, break it and then give it to me. So he does it.

He breaks it. And he shakes the ghost side to lighten it up. He hands it to me slowly. And then, like, as soon as he gives it to me, I grab it. I turn around and I just chuck this thing toward where I heard the sounds coming from. And it was between a tree and where my friends' crush his truck is parked. I chuck it toward there with no like, I wasn't aiming or anything. I was just like, okay, I'm going to throw it here.

So I threw it. And this thing, it was like maybe five. five and a half feet tall. And it was very like, I mean, like brown, longish curly hair. And it just jumps out from behind the tree and grabs the glowstick and then jumps in the back of my friend's girlfriend's truck, crush this truck. and as soon as I saw that because like

when I was looking at it through it I saw it grabbed it and the glow stick was just gone and I was like ice cream and it was like oh fuck and I turned around really quick I mean I didn't I didn't care to put the sweater

back on the glass I would just wanted to get away from this thing so I turn around and I just jump through that little window and like I got cuts on my arms, my pants got torn up from the glass. But at the moment, in the moment, I didn't feel it because I was just like all that adrenaline was kicking in. And as soon as I jumped through the window, I grabbed that board that we got and I turned around and I hurry up and pushed it against the window again.

I was just like breathing really hard, but I was like trying to keep it like quiet as possible. but I was breathing like really hard like like I had my friends like like what did you see? I'm just like and he's like hey man what did you see

and I was just like and he's like what is it like I have no idea but it's it's it's it's standing on two feet and it's it just jumped out and took the clothes stick

and he's just like oh my God and then my his friend his crush the girl she started started like cheering up a little bit and he just kind of walks toward her, puts his arm around her. It's like almost like, like I said, it's okay. We're like, like, if anything, we'll,

we'll defend you. And I'm just like with a board against the window, I'm like shaking and still trying to catch my breath. And then like I started feeling like wet like on my arm and I like, I was like, oh, crap, I'm bleeding. And we're there for maybe, I'll say 10, 15 minutes. You know, like, a quarter of the way through that, I asked my friend, I was like, hey, man, can you, can you grab, can you hold the board up against the window? And he's like, yeah. So he kind of, like, we trade places.

And I'm just like over there. And I'm like, they crap, I'm bleeding. I didn't know what to do. So, like, I asked my friend, like, can you give me your shirt? And he was like, what? Like, yeah, like, I know you wear too. shirt. Give me one of your shirts. He was like, why? He's like, dude, I'm a fucking bleeding here.

And he's like, okay, fine. So I give me one of his shirt and I kind of just wrap around my arm a little bit. And once the 15, 10, 15 minutes passed by, we don't hear anything. So we're like, maybe, like, maybe it's gone. Maybe he had bored of waiting for us. So

he lowered the thing and he was like, all right, let's go. And I was like, and I was like, okay, well, you, you go first. I'm not going to go first. So he goes and the girl gives him his key, her keys. He unlocks it. And then he's kind of just like looking around, keeping the lookout, making sure this thing doesn't come back.

And then I help her through. And then I come through. And then we just like slowly make our way toward her truck because we don't want to make that much noise. I got in the backseat. She got on the driver. He got in the passenger. And we got in. She turned it on and we just left.

And we kind of just like, like my friend's like, can you just, can he just like, what did you see? Can you describe to me what you saw? And I was like it looked like it was covered in fur. It was like a brownish color fur. And it had hooves. Like I could hear hooves on the ground. It didn't have feet, but it had, like, a person's hands, but it was covered in fur, and it just grabbed the glow stick. And he's like, did you get a good look at the face?

I'm like, no idea. Like, I just, I was just looking at the glow stick. And as soon as I saw the thing, grabbed the glow stick, and it kind of, like, ducked behind the truck. That's all I saw. I didn't really care to find out what it was. I just turned around as quickly as I could and got back in that building. And like, what do you think it was? I'm just like saying they're like, maybe a goat man or something, a sheep man or something.

It might be that. He's like, I've never heard of that before. And I was like, I've never heard of that before either. Like, I don't know what to think. It's just, and so she drops us off. She heads home. I mean, my friend, I'm just kind of going back and forth on this whole situation. that just happened.

And then I take a look at my cuts. And they weren't that deep, but it was a lot of blood, so I had to throw my friend's shirt and trash. And then I guess a couple days later, back to a work week. I went to work, and I was talking to a couple of friends in mine about what happened over the weekend. And one of my friends from work was like, oh yeah,

that sounds like a goat man. Like it sounds like you saw a goat man or something. And it was like a goat. Like, I didn't think that was an actual thing. Like, can you tell me more? Like, oh, yeah, there are people who see them all over the reservation.

Yeah, because there's just like road between Burnham or between Newcomb and Shiprock, which is like on the reservation. There's like a place called Table Mesa, which is basically just this mesa. It's like flat all around. it and it's just this mesa, like right in the middle of it.

And he's like, oh, yeah, like, a couple of me and my friends see, like, a goat, like, this weird goat man thing on top of the mesa and he just likes to watch people to drive by. And I was like, yeah, he's like, he's harmless. He doesn't, like, I think he's never heard stories of, like, this thing being, like, violent. Like, it's just a very curious creature. It's all it is. And I was like, I just looked at him. my friend and it's like, well, the goat man stole my glow stick.

I want my glow stick back. So, and that was a pretty like intense experience at the time. And I guess my stepfather said that he saw a similar thing. And this was coming down the hill into the town. that I live in now coming off the reservation. He was probably a couple of weeks later from when this whole thing happened. He dropped me off from work, and then he drives to work at sea to each year that way, save time, save money on gas and stuff. So we're usually right to work together.

But he drops me off and he's coming down that hill and he just like, he's looking on the side of the road. He's the only one there. and this is like 5.30 in the morning. Five, yeah, about 5.30. And he sees this, like, thing on the side of the road. He's got his, like, lights on it. But it said it looked like it was like a, it was like a really, like, huge, like, sheep or something with really long fur.

And it was just, like, walking on the side of the road. And it looks, he's like, he's like, it does. just looked like it was tired and it was kind of like slowly wobbling and when he got closer to it he was kind of like staring at it and he turns his high beam on and as soon as he turns his high beam

on he said this thing kind of just like slowly looks toward him and when he kind of got like a brief look at it he was going probably like 55 at that point and he got a really brief

look at it but from what he can describe it what he saw was it looked like it had long fur. It looks like the fur was white at one point, but it looked like maybe it was just dirty, like his fur was dirty or something. And its face was kind of elongated a little bit. He said he didn't see hands.

He said maybe it had like his hands kind of like tucked into its like its chest or something. But he said he didn't see feet. He saw hooves. And, like, it was hunched over and it was just covered in hair. And he saw, like, just like the smallest little, like, horn, horns on top of its head kind of just, like, coming out of the fur. And it was just kind of, like, looking at my stepdad as he was driving by. He didn't see eyes because it looked like its fur was, like covering its eyes a little bit.

but he did see a mouth and it was kind of like elongated. And when he passed it, he kind of looked in the rear view mirror and he said it just like, I mean, as dark as it was, because it was, you could still see like it in the rearview mirror. And he's slowing down a little bit to get a better look at it. And it just like, just like turning to the right and starts making its way off the road.

And when he told me about that, when he picked me up afterward, I was like, I think you saw a goat man. I was like, I saw a goat man too a few weeks ago. And he's like, oh, I don't think it was a goat man. I might have just been tired because he's one of the types that doesn't want to believe. Like, he'll see this stuff, but he doesn't want to believe it's like it's actually like something's actually there. Those are my goat man experiences.

Short, but. No, listen, man. I mean, I was on the edge of my seat with that experience. I'm thinking myself, my lord. And here's the thing. I mean, you see this thing. It runs. It grabs the glow stick, jumps in the back of the truck.

And then later on, I'm hearing you say, we're making our way to the truck. I'm like, are you crazy? Are you crazy? I mean, did you not know that it was back there or not? Or were you just taking your chances or what? Yeah, we were just taking our chances. Like, it wasn't like in the back of the truck or like in the rear side of it. Like the tree, there's between like a tree and the truck.

and it just like jumped, grab the clothes stick, and kind of just hid behind the truck. And like, it was like 10, 15 minutes went by. And I, like, nothing's happening. So we're like, we should just go, maybe now's our chance.

Let's just get out of here. Because we didn't want to get stuck in that building all night. And my friend, his crush at the time was like on the verge of tears. and I was feeling bad and I was like we should just get like get her out of here

and we'll be fine so we took our chances I let my friend go first because maybe he'll see it and he'll go get a like a feel of what I just went through moments earlier

and then when he got closure he was like slowly walking toward the truck listening out but he didn't hear anything and he got a little he's just like all right he's like guys, like, you guys come out.

Let's go, let's go, let's go. And once we got out, we took off. And that was kind of like, it was relief. And when we were making our way back home, that's when the adrenaline kind of kicked out, like, wore off. And I started to feel like the pain on my, my cuts on the side of my arm. Notice my pants were all cut up and, oh, crap, this looks. But, yeah, that was a pretty intense night, too.

Yeah, it sounds like. I mean, geez, dude. I don't know what I would have done. I don't know what I would have done. I think I might have camped out in the building all night, to be honest with you. Just seeing the thing going to back of the truck, I'm like, now I ain't going out there until it's daylight. So we're hanging out here today.

Yeah. But I think that my friends crush her, the girl, she, I mean, that's a hell of a introduction to this kind of stuff. She was terrifying. So I can all imagine what she was going through. But, like, you know, like later on during that week, I did ask her about it. Like, hey, how are you feeling about, like, this whole thing? Like, are you okay?

And she was like, I don't want to talk about it. And I was like, all right, it's understandable. I get it. Because we both worked at the same facility. And then my friend, he kind of got. the job there a couple, like a year later. So we were all working there at some point. Wow. That's crazy. So let me ask you, what do you think this goat man is? I mean, you saw it a little bit and, you know, you've been around and talk to people who've seen it. I mean, what's your gut?

Because I know you don't know what it is. None of us know what it is, but what's your guts out tell you? In my head, a goat man is kind of like the first thing I can kind of just go to because it doesn't make sense, but it might be something else. It might just be, I don't know if it's something like supernatural. I don't want to say it's like demonic or evil because from what my friend told me is like, it's like, oh, it's just curious. It's never harmed anybody which is leaving me. Like it's not evil. Maybe it's just like, maybe it's just there.

I don't know. Because for me, we live in a world where things just are. I mean, like, if I had an answer to everything, that'd be great. but, like, honestly, it's just something that's there. And I don't think it's evil. But in some people's cases or stories, it might be. But for me, it was just really scary, really scary experience. Well, that's the show, everybody.

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