The Confessionals - 349: MEGACAST | Part 1

Episode Date: June 22, 2021

In Episode 349: MEGACAST, we have a conversation with six separate podcasters! I realized that I had collected several interviews with other podcast hosts, and thought it would be a fun idea to release them all together in one mega episode. The result is FIVE AND A HALF HOURS of interviews to enjoy! The lineup for our Megacast features James from Seven Ages Audio Journal, Mike of From The Dark Podcast, Jasmine from the Sleep Snatchers Podcast, Scott from The Freaky Deaky Podcast, Bo from The BUMP Podcast, and last but not least Oscar from the Induced Fear Podcast! (Due to length, MEGACAST has been split into two parts, so be sure to catch Part 2 to hear each interview!) SPONSORSGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: https://simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: https://hellofresh.com/confessionals14 Promo Code: "confessionals14" for 14 FREE MEALS!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: http://www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: https://bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] Community: Text "YUP" to 844-215-0819Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7h Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: merkificationFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkelSHOW INTRO Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3

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reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen.

And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand. And he's running really fast and spears Dan holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Closer, got closer, got closer, got closer. When he got about 15 yards away from me, I raised that 12 days and I blow this head up. Feel something pulling at my leg.

And I look over and there are two. Two small gray entities pulling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yep. Welcome to the show. Everybody are listening to The Confessionals.

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There are a lot of people who signed up to be on this trip. We talked about it a few months ago, and the time is here. Me and a bunch of other listeners are going from Philadelphia area up to New York to spend a night at the Haunted Burn. Burn Bray Mansion. We're bringing in a paranormal investigation team. We're stopping at haunted places on the way up and the way back. It's going to be a lot of fun.

And we also had a couple people that had to drop off last minute last week. And I just want to put it out there. Anybody who thought about going on the trip, if you find that you have an open schedule right now and you're still interested in it, go ahead and give us an email the Confessionals at the Confessionalspodcast.com. And we will put you in contact with the right people to get you on this trip last minute. If not, no big deal. I just wanted to put it out there that we had some seats open up last minute.

And if you guys want, go ahead and contact us if you're interested. Now, today's show is a big, long show. I've never done this before, but I realized that I had quite a few interviews that I've done with other podcasters promoting their show along with their paranormal experiences. And I thought, why not try making this one giant mega cast? And so that's what we're doing today. We have a lot of people on the show today. It's a very long show, as you can see, on the top.

timestamps, but I hope you guys enjoy it. And I hope you enjoy the experiences shared. Sit back, relax, listen to one shot, listen to it over a few days. I don't care, but this is something new I'm trying. And if you guys like it, let me know. And if there's other people out there that have podcasts that have paranormal experiences and you want to join me on the next megacast, go ahead and contact me at the Confessionalspodcast.com.

Now, let's get to the first interview with James right now. All right. Today we got James on the show. James, how are you doing? And I'm doing great, Tony. Thanks for having me on. Thanks for being here, man. So, James, you're a professional. So, I mean, you're a professional geologist. I don't want to go too far into your profession. I'll let you do that and let you kind of tell people who you are as much as you want to. But before we go into that and before we go into your experiences starting off in your childhood, please give your show a shout out what you do, who you work with, man. Oh, okay. So, yeah, I'm a professionally, I'm a geologist. I'm retired from the military. And I do a show with a couple other guys that are probably, your listeners probably know,

is Micah Hanks and Jason Pintrail. And we do Seven Ages Audio Journal, which is mostly history and science, a lot of archaeology and that kind of thing. So if you're interested in that kind of stuff, go check us out. We're on iTunes and all the podcatchers and all of that. And our website is 7Ages.org. Awesome, man. Yeah, definitely check it out and stuff.

And those are topics that are always great. that typically listen to these kind of shows are generally interested in those kind of things. I mean, when I was a kid, one of the things that I wanted to do, and then I realized I was too stupid to do, so I put it aside was I wanted to be an archaeologist when I was a kid growing up. I wanted to, you know, be digging through dirt and finding things. And that idea of just finding what's out there, the mysterious history of this earth is just fascinating. I think it's probably one of the reasons why I love diving into like the ancient scriptures, you know, like Enoch and just the idea of what existed back then. And, you know, obviously the dinosaurs is

one of those things. It's just like, well, I know dinosaurs are fake, right? So. Yeah. Well, honestly, that's kind of the basis of, you know, how people end up becoming interested in science and getting into sciences. They just, you know, they wonder about things. They're like, why is this like this? Why is that like that? How does that work? And then, you know, some people, it just sort of catches with them and they, you know, end up pursuing it. And, you know, I got, interested in geology. I was in the army. I was, you know, young guy. I was like, you know, barely 18 years old. And I got sent out to the west coast and, you know, saw all the, like, the Rocky Mountains and the Cascade Mountains up in the northwest. But specifically, I saw Mount

St. Helens, excuse me, it was about 10 years after the big eruption in 80. I mean, it just, I mean, I'd never seen anything like that. Because, you know, I'm from the southern part of the country. And, you know, we don't have those types of mountains and I wasn't really you know I hadn't traveled much as a kid and it just blew my mind and it really it really changed me honestly and uh after I got off of active duty and I decided to go to college which was you know kind of the point of all of that anyway I just that's that's what I ended up doing I was really interested in it and I just kind of made a lot out of it that's really cool man I mean um it it's cool that you were able to actually have that happen for you I think a lot of times

times people, they graduate high school, they're told to go to college, get a good job, get an education, get a good job, and you set it in. And people wind up doing things for a career their entire lives that they're not passionate about, but because an 18-year-old decided to do it, that's what they're stuck in. And it's cool to hear that, you know, you were able to find that direction early on life and follow through. And, you know, you're still on it and you still love it and stuff. And for the original reasons, trust me, I didn't graduate high school saying I'm going to be a truck driver. So. Yeah, what's totally understand. I totally understand.

I mean, I, you know, it hasn't been a straight path. I'll have to say I've kind of had reinvented myself. And even though I've kind of stayed in the same general kind of career field, you know, I've changed jobs and I've changed, you know, careers a couple of times now. And I think that's, you know, to grow, that's the kind of thing that you, that you have to do. And, you know, I'm not, yeah, I'll be 50 this year. So, you know, I've been, you know, working in that, that. area for, you know, like 30 years now almost. And, uh, uh, rarely do things, you know, stay the same for any long period of time. Yeah. And, you know, now that I'm thinking about it,

it's interesting. It's really interesting, actually. Um, when I was in high school, I was, uh, accepted to a school called Full Sail University of Orlando, Florida for audio production. I wanted to go into producing music. I wanted to be working in recording studios, things like that. I wound up not doing that. I went to college and kind of started recording people on my, own in the dorm rooms, things like that. And I put that aside for all those years. And here I am podcasting. I think maybe I did find my original love anyways. I'm podcasting. And I think it's probably why I treat it so professionally as far as like how serious I am about it. I know, you know, it's not the, it's not a perfect show, right? But it's definitely not what I wanted to be. But

I've always treated it as if it was my career from day one because I think deep down inside that love for producing audio was always there. And, you know, that's interesting. I never really thought about it like that. But maybe I did come back around to that first love anyway. So, you found your way there. And, you know, even the podcasting thing for me was not something that I have really personally considered.

But I got to it through, you know, science, basically what I was doing. I was listening to people's shows. And then sometimes there would be things that were interesting or whatever, just like this show. And I sent somebody in email. And, you know, we started like a. correspondence and then there was somebody else that was interested kind of in the same thing that we were talking about and had some knowledge of it and then we ended up becoming friends and hanging out and then next thing you know we're doing a show so yeah um it's funny how you know things unfold but it all it all kind of boils down to just you know being engaged and and uh not you know it's one thing to listen to a show and it's another thing to kind of interact with the with the host and the and just kind of the world in general because that's how how you you know you know get to where you are is by interacting like that. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, you were a former

Mufon investigator, if I remember correctly, right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I did that for a while back in, oh, probably the mid-2000s. Now, let me ask you, and this, obviously this has nothing to do with your experience. Maybe it does, but how did that go over with your professional career? Was that something that you kind of kept separate and private, or was that more like you were open about what you were doing? Because back, you know, back in the mid-2000s or whatever it was, like this was UFOs was conspiracy theory, crazy stuff. Now it's like, you know, the mainstream, the Pentagon is coming out saying we have crafts that were made from other galaxies, you know, like it wasn't made here on Earth. So how did that go over for you? Well, I mean, it's just kind of like you said.

it was not something that, you know, I didn't keep a Mufon card on my desk at work. You know, if it was, it wasn't something that I would bring up normally and just kind of any, any kind of mixed company or conversation. But if somebody wanted to talk about it, I was willing, you know, willing to do it. But, but yeah, I kind of kept it separate, honestly. Was there like a coming to Jesus moment for you when it came to this idea of, you know, going into being a Mufon investigator as a professional geologist? It's like, like I said, back then, those two worlds.

weren't supposed to collide and here you are kind of walking that fence. I mean, what made you kind of do that? Well, I was, you know, I've always been interested in that kind of stuff, even as a kid, you know, UFOs, Bigfoot, the paranormal, all that stuff's always been interesting. And what you'll find, if you can get people that are like academically minded, you know, or, you know, professionally trained people, if you can kind of get them away from their peer group, you'll find out that most of those people are interested in that kind of thing. And that's, I'd say that's probably the rule rather than the exception.

So, but for me to become the investigator like I did, I wasn't, I wasn't worried about like, you know, it harming me professionally or anything. But it's just, but it's good to, you know, kind of keep things in their own lane because it really wasn't a good, there's not a good crossover between the two anyway. But the thing, at least for a move on, you know, they like people to be educated and professional. people to become an investigator because those you know those people generally uh are going to make good investigators and uh and i did that for a while with them and i was you know involved in some interesting things but ultimately i really didn't agree with how the organization is is uh is ran so i just i decided to not do it anymore yeah and you know you said something that's really interesting there because i say that a lot to people just from what i do people find out that i have a podcast

we talk about the paranormal. When I say paranormal to people, I try to condition the audience to understand what I mean by that. But when I say paranormal, I mean Bigfoot, UFOs, aliens, ghosts, demons, like anything paranormal is all kind of in my head lumped together. We can, you know, subcategorize it. But when people find out, they often say to me, oh, let me tell you, I saw these lights in the sky one night or, you know, I had a guy at work telling me here, had a monkey run across the street in front of him in high school in middle of Pennsylvania. But he doesn't believe in Bigfoot. And it's just like, okay. You know, So, but a lot of people go through these experiences and stuff.

And when you, when you start really sifting through it, I think that's more often the rule is that people do have weird things happen to them. They just don't talk about it. Right. And so, yeah, it's interesting, man. I don't want to go too far off the course. So let's get into your experiences here. And just start us off with, you know, the beginning as a child and stuff, what was happening. Okay.

Okay. And before we, before I really get going, I want to make a, I'll just say something that I don't think a lot of people have. have thought of before. But, you know, when we talk about the paranormal or the supernatural, you know, that's like something that's other than normal or, you know, outside of what, you know, should exist or could exist or whatever. And, but I don't really like those terms because I think these, you know, there's a lot more to the world than what people can see. And, you know, a lot of people know that or have experienced it. But those things aren't, they aren't things that don't belong, you know, in the universe. It's just, those.

Those are just phenomena that we just don't understand what they are. That doesn't mean they don't belong or there's something extra that, you know, exists outside the normal existence of that everything. Does that make sense? Oh, 100%. And when you look at the human history, look, hundreds of years ago, philosophers were killed for having certain viewpoints or suggesting that there was, you know, the earth wasn't flat, you know?

Right, right, right. It's definitely reality only goes as far as your perspective goes. And so that's why I, that's why I am with this show the way I am. When somebody comes on the show, you're not going to tell me something that I'm going to tell you is impossible because I'm a dumb truck driver with a podcast. I cannot tell you what is real and what's not real, what's possible, what's not possible, because I have my own worldview through my theological convictions that says that there is a supernatural and that there's a supernatural and that there's, a lot of supernatural things that happen in this world. When I go there, I'm just like, all right, tell me your experience because I believe this world is far crazier and bigger than what I can perceive it to be. Yeah, this is a strange place. So I'll go ahead and get started

and just kind of run this down. And, you know, when I wrote you this email, I've kind of had, you know, I've had a whole lot of just really odd stuff happened to me where I've experienced in my life. And I used to think that, you know, when I was a kid, I thought everybody, That stuff happened to everybody, but it turns out it really doesn't. There's a lot of people that never experienced anything weird. I mean, apparently this has been going on since I was like, you know, before I can remember. And the first thing that I would talk about is my mom told me this about me. I don't know.

It was probably like 10 years ago. And when she told me, dude, I almost fell out of my chair when she told me this. But she said when I was like two, three years old, a lot of times I'd be outside playing and I come back and I would be, you know, muddy or dirty or whatever. And she told me that she asked what happens. Like, how'd you get so money? And I told her that the little men had been chasing me again. And I ran and ran and fell down in the mud. And, you know, I didn't even know that that had occurred. I'm like 40 years old when she tells me this or, you know, 35 or something. And my mom doesn't really know very much about the paranormal or anything, you know, along those lines. And I, I mean, I was, it's kind of

freaked me out. I'm not lying. And I was, I was, I was, like, did I get abducted by aliens or something? And then I was talking to one of my friends about it. And they said, maybe it was like, Fayfolk or something. I was like, I never even thought of that before. I mean, maybe it was something like that. Or maybe it was just a kid's imagination, you know, who knows? So I don't know what you think about that, but it's kind of a, it was just, it was shocking to me. Yeah. And that's the thing. I mean, a little kid's description is often very vague and lacking detail. That's what we experience. What I think was in 2019 with the kid that went missing in North Carolina for three days. I mean,

kids gone. No, we don't know where the kid is. Then the kid's back and he says the bear took care of him. Right. Okay. Well, what we know about bears and, okay, can you get more details? No, he's, what, two years old. He doesn't have any more details. All he has is what he understands. And again, back to the reality thing. His reality was it was a bear because that's all he can understand and proceed. Right. So, yeah. And here I am with the little men. I'm like, what is Is that even? What does that mean? What little men? Yeah. What does that mean? You can go into the alien phenomenon. You can go into baby Bigfoot. You can go to so many different things, you know? Yeah. I don't know. It was weird. But so, so later on, like this is probably like in late 78, maybe, maybe 79. My parents bought this house and we moved in. It was, you know, it was in the wintertime. It was in like December, you know, almost Christmas time, I think. And, and, you know, But I think we were still in school, me and my brother. So my mom was home, like during the day, like unpacking.

And the first day that, you know, they were there doing that. I mean, it was sleet outside. It was cold out, which is, you know, sleet and snow. It's not unheard of in the South, but, you know, that's pretty cold weather for us. Anyway, so my mom's home by herself. My dad comes home from work at the end of the day. My mom was standing outside, and he was like, what are you doing out here? And she was, you know, she said, she just had this feeling of doom come over in the house.

And so anyway, I'm kind of leading into this story about this house that we lived in. That was everybody that was in that house experienced that. The way my mom described it, of course, I experienced it too and everybody did. But the way my mom put it in was probably perfect. It was the feeling is, is if you don't get out of that house right this second, you're going to die. I mean, it's just like this. It's almost like the devil is standing right behind you. But it only would happen if you were in the house by yourself.

Like if you were just in the living room watching television, all of a sudden you'd get this just this sense of just doom come over you, right? And that was a common feature in the house that happened. You know, we lived there for like five years. And it was just normal. It wasn't like a, you know, people pack up and move out of their house. You just, you know, you didn't do that. But, you know, we'd hear footsteps in the house at night. It's when we first moved in, the first two or three years we lived there, the house had

hardwood floors, but my parents kind of renovated the house and did some things and put carpet in. And I remember thinking, good, I won't be able to hear whatever that is walking on those hardwood floors at night when I'm in bed because I was, you know, I was to be terrified. Anyway, they put carpet down and you could still hear it. So whatever it was was not, you know, really physically walking on the floors. It was just some kind of weird sound. But it really, it just wasn't, it wasn't just the house.

It was like the whole property was weird like that. So even we would be outside broad daylight, middle of summertime, you know, doing kid stuff, playing, whatever. And we would see things out of the corner of our eye like shadows, you know, it would look like people, but like dark shadows. See them all the time. It was just, you know, it was just how the place was. We didn't even really think that much about it. I didn't realize how weird it was until we moved from that house. We moved to another town when I was probably about 12 years old.

And the house that we moved into was just a normal house. There was nothing, you know, that it didn't have any kind of that paranormal energy or whatever it is. It didn't exist in that house. And that's when I realized how haunted that house was that we'd been living in for five years. I mean, that place was insane. Yeah. So when you had the footsteps going on and the carpet goes down, you're still here, did it still sound like something was walking on hardwood floor or was it more like of the creaking of the floor kind of thing? No, it sounded like boots on the floor.

Like somebody was walking down a hardwood hallway and cowboy boots. That's what it sounded like. And we didn't hear it every night, but you might hear it like once a week, you know, late at night. And, you know, I don't know what it was. And I saw, you know, I kind of skipped over some stuff, I guess, but in broad daylight once I walked, you know, I was walking through the living room and I looked down the hallway. And I saw a guy walk out of the wall and step across a hallway into the other wall. And it was a, it was like, it was a guy down to about, at about halfway down its die, just sort of like tapered. out of existence. And it happened really quick, just like a second. But, I mean, it was, it was pretty,

it's really scared the heck out of me. And my aunt was there. I had an aunt that was, you know, about 10 years older than me, I guess. And she would watch us in the, in the summertime when school was out. And while my parents worked. And she was, she was facing me. And I was kind of looking over the top of her head down this hallway. She was sitting in a chair. Anyway, I freaked out. And, and, you know, started to scream anyway, I kind of became, my mom, like, told some of her friends about it. And then every time everybody come over, they're like, oh, you're the kid that saw the ghost. And I was like, I don't even want to talk about this anymore. Because I felt like they were kind of, you know what I mean? They were kind of giving me a hard time over it.

Yeah, I can understand. Now, when you saw that, how old were you? I was like probably 10, 11 years old. So you may not remember this and stuff, but was that a defining moment for you as to, you know, what was possible in this world? Or was there a lot of things that happened beforehand that you were just like, yeah, this is just part for the course. Well, yeah, sort of. I mean, I never really like seen, like directly saw something, like looking right at it and saw it like that. So that was the first time that I, anything like that had ever happened. So, um, so yeah, I could, I never thought of it that way, but yeah, it sort of was. I mean, we would see those weird kind of shadow things outside, you know, just corner of your eye kind of

thing. But never, you know, and then I never saw anything like that again after that. So it was kind of a one-time deal. And, you know, who knows why it was. And I used to think, you know, as I as I got older and I kind of understood things more as an adult, you know, I thought, well, you know, what was there a possibility that it was some kind of like strong electromagnetic field in the house that would cause people to have those feelings or, you know, that kind of thing. But honestly, it was just a standard residential structure. It didn't have anything higher voltage than 120 volts probably. The hot water heater was gas.

So, I mean, the house didn't even have central heating air in it. It was kind of cold. We used windy unit air conditioners in the summer. And then we had a little gas stove in the wintertime. I mean, that was it. So I don't have an explanation with that kind of stuff. This house that you were in, is this the house that had the lights going on and off? No, that was actually the same time when I was talking about the little men.

My mom and dad, this is probably before my brother was born. I was probably about three years old, two, three years old. There was a, you know, like a lot of people do when they first start out, when they, you know, after they first got married, especially down this part of the world, is they'll get a mobile home and put it like on their parents property, which is essentially what we did. It was on my mom's parents' property. They lived out of town.

So we had this mobile home that's where we lived. But anyway, a lot of times when we were gone or nobody was home, my grandparents would be out, you know, out, you know, working in the garden or whatever. And they would hear it sounded like somebody running back and forth the length of this mobile home. And then all the lots would come on in the place. And they would go over and go and look around, check it out. Nobody in there turned all the lights off and, you know, locked the door and leave. And then it would happen again.

So I don't know what that was. Is that like a poltergeist type thing or I don't know what it is. Now, that I don't personally remember because I was, you know, I was too young. But that was one of the stories of, you know, of the family, I guess. I don't know how I'd feel about that. I mean, it's weird. Yeah, it is weird. It is weird.

But it sounds like your family is kind of familiar with this kind of stuff, too. It wasn't like you were isolated in it. Yeah, yeah. The only person that would never really say anything one way or the other about is my dad. He just didn't want to talk about it. So, but everybody else, you know, we were always talking about it, especially, you know, it was kind of like, man, the house I was talking about was haunted. And it was kind of like me and my brother dreaded when my parents would leave or they would go, you know, they'd go out for the evening and we'd stay home. Man, we were just terrified in that place.

And there were several times that we got that, you know, that feeling of doom so bad that we would have to go outside and set on the steps in the dark. And this is not like in a neighborhood. We live like out, you know, basically out of town. There's just like woods everywhere. And so we're sitting out there in the dark on the steps. And when my parents would pull in the driveway, we would jump up and run back in the house and act like nothing happened because we didn't want them to know how scared we were. Jeez. Yeah.

That's so funny. We lived there for five years, man. like that. So, I mean, it wasn't like every day where you're just like terrified all the time, you know, but it really, it did have those qualities about it though. Yeah. It's funny because I was just talking to another guy and I mentioned this kind of thing where, you know, kids, they have this very warped sense of what they're going to get in trouble

for, you know? And a lot of times, you know, if you would go to your parents say, you know, this is happening, they'd be like, oh my gosh, like, let me help you or whatever. But you don't know if you're going to get in trouble or not. So you just kind of hide the reality of the situation from mom and dad. That's, I mean, that's what we did. But I mean, think about it. I mean, we were two.

Normally kids would be scared to go outside in the dark at night. But that was actually the lesser of, you know, the evil. Staying in the house was worse than being outside in the dark. It was just, it was nuts. So, but after we moved from there, we actually moved to Oklahoma because my dad had, I've gotten back in the military. And we've lived out, you know, I went to high school out there and like nothing, you know, we even lived some really, there was a house we lived in.

It was built in like 1910. Nothing happened in that house, man. It was just made out of wood. You know, there was no energy of any kind, you know, in that place. So the next thing that I can really remember happen is like when I joined the Army. And I went to basic training at Fort Jackson, South Carolina. And at the time, they still had a lot of the old World War II style barracks. And that's where I was at.

And I mean, these buildings were built probably, excuse me, in the late 30s or early 40s for World War II. And you've seen Full Metal Jacket, right? The basic training scene at the beginning? No. Oh, really? You should watch this. Great movie. But anyway, it's open, open bay barracks, you know, just all these bump beds down, you know, rows down both sides, two-story structure.

It's kind of built up on a, you know, up on a pier and beam foundation. So it's probably, you know, three feet of space beneath the building. So, you know, you kind of get the point. There was a, you know, bathroom downstairs, bathroom upstairs are both on the same ends of the building. And then the stairwell to go upstairs was on that end. And one of the things that they'd have you do in basic training is pull, you'd have to do extra duties like fire guard. You'd have to go to, you know, KP, the kitchen or staff duty, answer the phone over the, you know, the company office. That's the kind of thing.

So, and then that duty would rotate. You know, you might have firewatch tonight and then you've got it again in three days or whatever. And then you do it for, I think we did it for like two hours at a time. And, you know, you'd get like midnight to. 2 a.m. or 2 a.m. to 4 a.m. or whatever. Anyway, so one night I had, I had a fire watch and fire guards, what we called it, and I was down on the first floor. I lived on the second floor, and then one of my buddies from the second floor was on fire guard upstairs. And basically what you did was just try not to fall asleep, honestly. But you would, he had a chair that you sat in at the

end of the bay. And then you would, you know, it's all, you know, the lights are out. It's dark. There's a light that comes from the bathroom. So you can kind of see, you know, you can kind of see down the bay. And you'd basically just get up and occasionally walk down the, the middle of the bay, you know, to the other end with your flashlight. And you, you know, you wanted to make sure everybody was in their bunks and the wall lockers were locked and, you know, nothing was going on, you know, just, you know, or the building catch on fire.

I guess you could wake everybody up for that, obviously. But because the buildings didn't have like fire suppression systems. There was no sprinkler system or anything like that. So any building like that when you're in the military, you have to, by regulation, you have to post a fire guard for safety. Anyway, so I'm doing that duty and I get up and I walk down towards the far end of the bay, which is, you know, the further you get from where I'm sitting, it's just getting, you know, darker and darker and darker shadow.

And I get about, I don't know, three quarters of the way down. And, you know, this is a wooden floor. with floor tile on it. So if anybody walks on it, you can hear their footsteps. You can really feel them in your own feet, if you know what I mean. So somebody walks up right behind me. Like, like, and the way the footsteps were, I mean, it was like they meant business. Like they meant to walk right up behind me.

And the first thing I thought was it was a drill sergeant because drill sergeant would just appear out of nowhere. You know, anytime day or night a drill sergeant might jump out from behind a bush catch you doing something wrong and it make you do a bunch of push-ups. So you kind of lived, you know, in fear that all the time. So I mean, that's who it's got to be. The only other person to be up is a drill sergeant. So this person walks up right to my back, to my heels, basically. And I, you know, turn around and I go to the position of parade rest, which is what you're supposed to do in the presence of a drill sergeant.

And there was nobody there. It was just empty air. And, dude, it, I like, it freaked me completely. out. I just took off running like instantly. I knew it, I knew it was something paranormal. And I ran up, the stairs, you know, just freaking out. And the guy up there, he's like, what's going on? And I told him, he was like, man, I hate this place. I mean, it's the worst place. So, and I, to this day, I think about that occasionally. And it was, it was the weirdest, it was one of the weirdest things that has ever happened to me. I mean, somebody walked up right behind me and I turned around and they

weren't there. There was nobody there. It was freaky. Anyway, one other thing in that building so is running that, you know, basic train is only two months long. So it was, you know, sometime in that time frame. Well, there was another night I had duty, a staff duty in another building and I was coming back and I came in the building, started up the stairs and I was, you know, walking up, and it's not a very long flat of stairs, and it's straight. I'm looking straight up. And at the top of the stairs, on the right is the door to the bathroom. There's one way in, one way out. And it's a small bathroom. It's got a little shower bay with two shower heads, two toilets, two sinks, and a washer and dryer. That's for 25 men. So anyway, so I get about

halfway up the stairs, and I hear one of the showers come on, like plainly. Heard it come on. And I thought, what the heck is, you know, what's somebody doing in this? You're not even supposed to be in the shower, you know, 2 o'clock in the morning. So I step in there, I look in the shower, nobody in there. And I look around in the bathroom, nobody in the bathroom. And then I turn around and there's the guy that's on fire guards walked up behind me, scares me, you know, because I'm all jumping now. And he's like, why did you turn the shower on? And I was like, I didn't. I just heard it come on. And he was like, what? And I'm like, I heard the shower come on as I was coming up the stairs. And he goes, well, I heard it, you know, he was down halfway down the bay or something and heard it come on so we turned the water off and it was on it was a hot water and it was all the way on the knob was turned all the way full blast we turned it off and we just looked at each other like dude this place is haunted man I don't know what's up and then I went to bed and that was it yeah that's no good it was that area rumored to be haunted like did other people have situations happen I don't know I mean like when you come through that type of thing that like there's nobody there that was it's been there for like a long time even the drill

sergeant's kind of rotate out so you don't get like that rumor mill kind of a thing's like yeah man Jones was here you know you know three months ago and he had something with you know people just you just come through you experience what you experience and then you move on and then anybody that comes after you or before you almost never you know rarely run into anybody that um was in the same place you were yeah i get it i you know talking about the feeling of somebody coming up behind you. Whenever I hear somebody tell that story, always reminds me. When I was in college, I used to work at a pretzel factory and during the summertime. And it was a great paying job for a college student at the time. It was $13 an hour. I was like, I'm making bank, you know? And so like, it was a miserable

job because they brought the college kids into B Packers to pack the stuff in the boxes, but they wound up moving me into production. And so I'm going into the back old part of the building. I would work double shifts a lot. So I would be leaving at like midnight. And the one night, it was probably, it was a double shift late at night. I was the only person back in production. I was making all the dough for Bachman pretzel. And I was alone making this dough in this old creepy room.

And I'm by myself. And for the entire night, I'm working back there. I just kept on feeling like somebody was coming up behind me. And I kept on swinging myself around to see. Like, like, because I had to be facing a corner. So I'm in this big room. It's creepy. And I couldn't be facing out towards the room.

I had to be facing this corner of the room where I was working. And it was just, it was awful. And I remember, I remember somebody coming back and, you know, to check on me. And I jump and they're like, whoa. And I'm like, it's scary back here, man. I want to go back to packing pretzels. Yeah. I used to do a lot of like a building inspection type work.

And, you know, there was a lot of places that I went that, like, there was no power. It's like an old industrial facility or some kind of old hospital. I've done a lot of work in like abandoned hospitals. And you can get you can freak yourself out in those places. And I, but I never had any kind of anything paranormal happen in any of those things or at least as far as I know anyway. Yeah, as long as you know, right. So I mean, how many times do people have something happen to them? They don't even know what happened to them. You know. Yeah, right. Right. It's yeah. I mean, surely, and you know that, that, you know, that house I lived in when I was a kid, It was all the classic stuff, like things that would go missing and then reappear later, you know, like you're like, you know, something from school, like some pencils.

You lay on a desk and then, you know, you come back later and they're not there. And then, you know, I end up beating my brother up because I think he took my pencils and hit them from me. And then like a month later, they're back in the exact same spot they were. I'm like, there's those pencils again. And it was just irritating. Honestly, it's like, okay, I get it. You can hide things. but please stop doing it because it's just it's just a pain you know you're not ingratiating yourself

around here man yeah for sure so so i told the basic training story which is you know is one of my one of my favorite ones um but i you know i left a couple of things out in the email that i wrote to that's how that's how crazy it is i uh there was stuff that happened that i actually forgot happened later on. So when I was, so when I was in the military, I was stationed a bunch of places and overseas and, you know, Pacific Northwest and all that. And then, but I was stationed back in Maryland and me and a guy that had been stationed in Germany together where they moved us at the same time to the same place. And his dad lived down in Virginia along the, like the Blue Ridge Parkway or whatever. They lived not too far off of that, kind of out in the, you know, out of

the country, it's a beautiful place. And sometimes if we had a long weekend, we'd go down there and hang out because he had this big house and his big nights property. And we could go down there and party and just have a good time. Even, I mean, his house was so nice. It had like a bar area in it with pool table and all that stuff. And, you know, the extended family would come and hang out. Well, anyway, we were down there one weekend. And it was a four-day weekend. And this was like a Sunday night. And like all this dude's cousins were over. And everybody's drinking and having a good time. I was having, you know, having a few drinks. And I was setting up at the bar next to the, you know, one of these guys. And I had made myself a drink. And before I, you know,

before I ever took a drink out, now, don't get me wrong. I mean, I've had a few drinks, but I'm not like plastered drunk or anything like that, you know, I hear this voice like, like over my left shoulder and and keep in mind this is like 1992 this isn't like you know what we know about people today but the voice sounded like bill cosby like america's he was america's dad in those days right and it sounded like bill cosby kind of that same kind of quality of a voice and the voice said don't take another drink go to bed while you still can uh before you go any further just knowing what we know about bill cosby yeah no me Holy crap.

Bill Cosby caught me. He's like, here, just take this drink. Here's a big. Don't drink that one. Drink this one I made for you, right? So I know, that's always the weirdest thing, but I want to tell it, you know, like it happened. That's why I always preface it. I'm like, we all know Bill Cosby's a rapist now.

And maybe he was projecting. I don't know what it is. But that this voice says this to me, right? And I didn't even think it was weird. I just looked at the guy next to me and I said, hey, man, you want this drink? And he was like, sure. And I just, I slid off my barstool and I went to bed. I just, like, without question, without even thinking about it.

I just went to bed. I did the Irish goodbye, man, or that's what we call it down here, where you just leave and don't say anything to anybody. Because my buddy was like, he's like, man, you didn't even say anything. And I was like, I didn't even think about that. I just went, you know, I just went to bed. And that was it. It is the weirdest thing. And I come to find out later, I told this to somebody.

else that, you know, has some knowledge about these kinds of things. And they asked me, because I never thought about it, really. They're like, which shoulder did you hear it over? Or were they asked me, was it in your head or did it sound like it was external? And I'm like, well, it sounded kind of like it was outside of me. And they asked me, which shoulder was it over? And I said, it's over my left shoulder. And apparently that's for people, when people hear these types of like, this type of thing happens to them, it's almost always from over their left shoulder. And I don't know what the significance of that is. But. I wanted to, you know, add that in there.

I'm glad you did because I never heard that. And I would definitely like to have that in my arsenal questions now because that's interesting. If that's a typical thing that happens to people, I wonder why that is. Is that person ever give you an explanation as to what they think that is? No. I mean, nobody, as far as I know, nobody really even has a good theory. Is it like guardian angel or who knows what it is? You know, maybe it's you protecting yourself somehow with your subconscious.

or something, you know, I mean, but it's not like I was in danger getting alcohol poisoning. You know what I mean? It wasn't like that kind of thing. It was just I'm hanging out with some people and then somebody, something tells me to go to bed and I went to bed. It was weird. It was really, my lack of re like even acknowledging that it was weird at the time was even weird. You know, you hear people like, you know, they have like UFO experiences or whatever and then they just forget about it like immediately. And then something happens later and then they remember that this happened to them.

And it seems like to me it's like along the lines of that where you just like, you just don't question it at all. Yeah. That's that makes sense. No, it does make sense. I mean, I definitely heard that before. And it's really interesting. That's really interesting. And really unexplainable.

It's just one of those things that just kind of make you say, huh. Yeah. That was a, I mean, and that was a one-time thing. It wasn't like, you know, I later developed, you know, became schizophrenic or, you know, or anything. I just, it just was this one-off thing and I don't know what it meant. The only thing that I've ever had to happen that was sort of similar to that was, you know, down here, my part of the world, you know, it's really, it's really mountainous. And there's a lot of really curvy roads. But if you're used to that kind of terrain, then people drive pretty fast on those roads.

You know, people that come from like flatter areas, those roads are terrifying to them. But, you know, to us, we're just a bunch of. hillbillies, you know, we're, we're just tearing up and down the road going 70 miles an hour, you know, so, so I was traveling one day on this road, I, you know, drive it all the time, drive, you know, pretty fast. It's kind of a long haul from where I'm going to, you know, where I'm trying to get back home. And anyway, I'm kind of going through this area and all of a sudden I get this idea in my head. It was almost like a foreign thought, you know, it was like somebody just put this idea in my head. It's like, you know, it would be really messed up if you come flying around one of these corners one day. And there was a car sitting across the road. And I just, I mean, I don't know why I even thought of that. It just popped in there. And I was, I was kind of going through this area. It was kind of like a kind of a big long kind of an S curve area with, you know, kind of up and down a hill. And I slowed down when I went through there, which I normally wouldn't have done very much. I, you know, but I just kept on kind of hammering along.

And man, I came around that last turn. And keep in mind, this is within about 30 seconds or 45 seconds that I thought this. When I came around this last turn, it was kind of a right-hand corner, there was a Dodge Durango setting broadside across the road where they had somebody had pulled in and decided where they were going to turn around and they had backed out into the road and we're going to, you know, go back the other direction. And if I hadn't slowed down, I almost couldn't get stopped anyway. But if I hadn't slowed down, I probably would have killed those people because I was driving

in like a Toyota Tundra. You know, it's just huge truck. I was going to like 70 miles an hour of this thing. But whatever that was, save those people's lives by getting me to slow down. Yeah, that's incredible. I can't tell you how many times little things like that have happened to me and stuff where just this thought pops into the head. And sure enough, it was for a reason.

And I don't know what that is. I mean, people who are Christians could say it's the Holy Spirit or you could say it's a sixth sense or, you know, aliens talking to us. know, who knows, but it's really interesting. And does that play into the pre-cognitive dreams? Well, maybe. Yeah, I was going to talk about that next. You know, I've had a few of those over the years where it's a, you know, when you have one of

these dreams, it's like you were really there, honestly. It's not like a dream at all. And you remember it like it really happened. Like it was a normal experience in your life, not like a dream that you had. And you're like, yeah, it was kind of messed. stuff and then you forget about it, the dream fades. These types of dreams never fade like that. They're just, there's some other thing.

So, but the one that I wanted to talk about was one that I can actually prove that I have because, um, I documented it the next morning right after I had it because it was so shocking to me. I went on this website called the, the national dream center at the time. This was probably about 2000. I don't know. It was probably 10 years ago or so, maybe a little longer. But I had a dream where I saw an airline.

I saw a plane crash, right? But it was kind of like in the town where I lived at the time. And I saw this plane, you know, kind of looked like it was struggling in the air. And then it basically just like went by and broke up in the air and, you know, and crashed. And it was really shocking to me. I mean, this dream was. And so, and I already knew about this website. because I had heard about it someplace else.

I was like, you know what? I'm going to go on there and document it. So I did. And then about less than a week later, like five days later, there was a plane crash in the Philippines. And the details were very, very similar anyway. The National Dream Center scores these precognitive dreams. And they gave me like a four out of five on this thing.

And it's still on their website. I think I gave you the link for it at the time. So anyway, I mean, it was the problem with these things to me is I don't know what the point of having these dreams are because other than just kind of like let you know that there's more to the, you know, world that we can see. But for me, you know, especially as like a military guy, I like to use these, you know, his jargon sometimes. But this is inactionable or unactionable intel. It's information that I can't act on or do anything with. I couldn't help those people or save that plane or do anything about it. It's just, I just had a, you know, disturbing dream about it.

And then it happened a few days later. And then you're just kind of like left standing there with like, you know, your hands in here. Like, what? Why? Why did I have this dream, you know? Yeah. That's, that's really, that's really fascinating because it sounds like this is the time that you documented. so you had the proof, but this is something that happens to you.

Is this something that happens often or just randomly? Well, just randomly, like over my life that's happened maybe like five times. And honestly, in the last, you know, probably 10 years, I haven't really had anything that I consider to be unusual happen. And I don't know if it's, I don't know why. I mean, I don't know if it's like, you know, I've changed somehow. like, you know, it's stress or, you know, I don't know, or maybe it's stress that makes these things kind of come on and I'm less stress than I used to be or, I mean, I don't know. I just, I'm never been able to, you know, kind of assign any rhyme or reason to it or analyze it

in any way in kind of a scientific fashion where I can say, well, you know, in these situations, these are the types of things that you can expect to happen. And then when it's like this, I won't expect anything to happen. I have no, I have none of that. I have no idea why things happen when they do and when they don't. My friend who has a YouTube channel called Mr. X Dreams, he kind of almost specializes in the whole dream phenomenon because his dreams are trippy. And, you know, he suggests that people, and he told me a million times I should have a dream journal. The problem with me is I don't remember dreams ever.

I don't either. So when I have something like this, it's like super, you know, it really sticks with you, you know. It's not like I have lucid dreams every night where I'm, I mean, I just don't remember my dreams at all. Just rarely. Actually, I take that back. I had a dream last night or the night before because I told you, for some reason, I was kind of nervous about coming on the show. But I had this dream where like I missed the show today. I like got busy or was out doing something. And I was like, crap, I got to show it.

Like, I've got to be on Tony's show at like 1 o'clock. And then you were calling me like, hey, man, where are you at? I was like, dude, I'm sorry. I somehow missed the show. So anyway. It's funny that you say that because I text you telling you I was going to be late. Yeah, I didn't even think of that. That's interesting.

That's interesting. I mean, you know, I would suggest that, you know, if you could remember your dreams, I would suggest to start the dream journal thing. But I mean, and I know I forget what he told me. I was talking to X about this. And he told me what I should do. I can't remember. But that's the problem.

problem. I can't remember my dreams. I can't remember what he told me, but he had, he had a, I told her, but I tell you guys, you guys think I'm smart. I'm not smart. But I, I, he told me that, that he suggested that I start somewhere with journaling, but he's a very, he's a very big proponent of people should, he thinks everybody should dream journal because, uh, he really believes that the dream world is just another reality we enter into. And I'm telling you, when you hear some of his experiences and stuff. Like, very interactive. He's learned how to control such things. His sister appeared in one of his dreams where he saw her and he communicated with her in a way. I think it's more body language. But he tells her this dream when he wakes up. And she had the same dream from

her perspective seeing him. Like, they were there together. Wow. And so, like, there's, there's trippy things that happened during dreams. It's really interesting. Yeah. Yeah. That is kind of weird. And I said nothing's really happened weird to me in the last few years, but I actually take that back. So, you know, when we started doing this other podcast, a seven ages show, not long after we started that, we decided to take like a research field trip. And at the time, I was living down in Georgia and then the other guys live and we're living in North Carolina. And we were going to go up to your neck of the woods up to Pennsylvania around Pittsburgh to the Meadowcroft Rock Shelter. and then make a loop down through Ohio and go to like serpent mound and and a bunch of stuff, which is, you know, is what we did.

And, but there was a lot of like, there was some super synchronistic stuff that happened on that trip that like we didn't plan for. We couldn't have planned for. And I actually, so I was the one that was responsible for like kind of planning the itinerary and, you know, where we were going to go and which routes we were going to take. And I made the hotel reservations and all that stuff. So there was, so we went to, we went to Meadowcroft up in southwest Pennsylvania. And then we went down into Ohio and, no, West Virginia, I take that back. And we went to Moundsville, West Virginia. Well, we show up like a Monday.

Well, there's a museum there at this mound that's in the middle of town, this Native American mound. And we were going to go and, you know, film a segment there and do some stuff. Well, the museum was closed. So we didn't know what to do, really. So we decided one of the guys had to go to the bathroom. So we left and we went to the bathroom and we were like, well, we'll go back and we'll just film from outside, you know, the fence and, you know, talk a little bit or whatever. So we go back and we're kind of getting set up and Mike is doing this thing. And all of a sudden, these cars start kind of come in the parking lot and parking.

And then there's people getting in there walking down towards the, you know, the music. building. We're like, what's going on down there? And finally, it was a lot of people that kind of pulled in within about 10 or 15 minutes. So, uh, so me and the, me and Jason, we just decided to walk down there and find out. So we get down there and we're like, hey, what's going on? And they're like, oh, we're having the West Virginia, um, archeological society, historical society meeting. We have it once a year on this day, um, here at, at Moundsville. And, uh, we're like, holy crap. And they were like, well, you know, we're, we're basically doing a podcast. Can we, can we interview some of these folks? And they were like, oh, yeah, yeah, hang on. Let me talk to this guy.

And I can't, the guy's name was Randall. I can't remember his last name. He's a big wig with the state of West Virginia. And he runs this whole thing, right? And he comes out and they're, they basically, right across the street from this place is like an old penitentiary. So people go in and they do like ghost investigations. And there's a lot of like, you know, and kind of like the conspiracy theory world, like, you know, ancient giants that are associated with these mounds and all kinds of stuff. Anyway, they asked us, they're like, this isn't about giants, is it? And we're like, no, no, this is like, you know, we're doing like legit science stuff here. They're like, oh, great, great. Yeah, come on in. And they introduced it to this guy. And he introduced,

there's like 200 people here. And they introduce us to all of these people and tell everybody what were doing. I mean, it was like, you couldn't have planned there, right? So that was a, you know, that was pretty fortuitous, honestly. And then we got a tour of the, you know, the grounds by the, the, the curator of the museum and all the stuff, right? So then, you know, we continue on our trip and we get down to in Ohio, and I can't remember the name of the town now, but, you know, it was just a place that I picked that I thought was the right amount of mileage to stop at on our way to serpent mound for the like the next day. Well, it turns out that in this in this town is this giant like this I don't know how many

acres it is, you know, 100 acres, this ancient native site that's all these mounds and wall structures and all this stuff. And it's, you know, it's, you know, it's like a federally protected type of a place. And it's you can walk it and all that. And we were like right next to it. So we go over there. They're like, hey, we did, you know, let's go over and check that out tomorrow. That's pretty cool.

That's kind of, you know, lucky that we stopped by there or we stayed where we did. So when we get over there, the, the, this, this, this guy that's, you know, it's a pretty famous guy in, in, uh, in that world who is basically the expert on this entire, uh, culture. he's there that day when we showed up and he's leading a group from the UN because they want to add this to the United Nations. It's kind of like a world heritage site. They're trying to turn it into a world heritage site. And that guy was there at the time that we just happened to just show up. And it was at that moment, and there was a few other things that happened that stuff like this that you just, like you couldn't have planned it.

You couldn't have timed it and done, you know, showed up at these places like this unless you were trying. And we just did it by accident. And it's, you know, it's one thing for for one thing to happen. But when it's like four or five things that happened within like 48 hours, I had this feeling. I got this really freaked out kind of a feeling like I was on, I was on a ride that I did not have any control over. You know what I mean? I was like in a, I was, things were happening unfolding in real time. that I was a part of, but I was just along for the ride. It was really kind of a, it was really

kind of a weird, freaky feeling. And the other guys, really, we all kind of had a moment, I guess you could call it. I mean, I had like a moment for real. You know, I think I want you to play my next road trips. I mean, that's really cool. And I find it so funny. I almost laughed like hard when the guy said, this isn't about giants, is it? Seriously, that's one of our jokes. It's like an inside joke. This isn't about giants, is it? And we've got another one about portals, too. Oh, man.

What do you mean about portals? Well, you know how people are like, well, and then it disappeared into a portal or maybe these, maybe these Sasquatch, you know, they come out of these portals and, you know, whatever. And I'm like, what does that even mean? What is a portal? You know? Yeah. Where, I'm like, what's our model in physics for portals, you know?

And I'm not saying they don't exist, but it's kind of like a sometimes things happen and we just kind of people will come up with some kind of a far out explanation of they explain something they they use something that doesn't exist to explain something that may or may not exist if you know what I mean so what we just joke all the time I'm like that must be those portals again portals it's like what happened to where my shoes at portals you know yeah I get it I when I when people talk about portals and stuff one of the things I wonder is you know is this a portal like you see in sci-fi where, you know, it's like a circle that opens up and it's like swirling and it's like a fluorescent green or is it more of just like a now you see it, now you don't kind of thing

and we call it a portal. Yeah, like Stargate or is it just kind of like is it invisible somehow? Like if you stepped through a portal, would you know you did it? Like if you stepped into like a like an alternate reality, but it's almost exactly like this one, would you know if you woke up? It's like the, you know, the Mandela effect thing, right? So, which I can tell you that I really do remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 90s. And then they, I was like, I thought that guy died in prison.

So there's something to some of that stuff. And I do not know what it is. But it's, it's a real thing. And maybe it's kind of the, you know, along the same lines where you somehow the timeline shifted or you, you know, I mean, I don't know if any of that stuff is real. but there's some really odd things that happen in this reality. Yeah. And here's one for you that this is how I felt in 2016 when when Donald Trump was elected president, I felt like the entire globe shifted into another reality at that point.

Like it just felt different. The world just felt different. Yeah. It felt like right after like the next day or the day after. I actually experienced that too. Or I was like, what happened? Like something happened. Yeah.

It felt like we were, we slipped into a parallel universe. It really felt weird. And then the last four years, it's like, yeah, it seems like the world is different, you know? Yeah, yeah. And it's still changing, you know. It's like stranger things when they call it the upside down. It felt like we went into the upside down. Right, right.

Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, I actually can appreciate where you come from because, you know, I, the next, the next day and the day after that, I had kind of got this feeling like, I'm like, something is going on. Like, this is not how things are supposed to go. You know, it was like something, some fundamental something happened that it changed things somehow. Yeah. Well, I 100% agree with you on that.

I mean, that's the way I felt too. Now, we talked about the synchronicities. We talked about a lot of this stuff, but you didn't talk about the black triangle UFO. You saw Iraq. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, this is kind of a short story. But so I was, this is in either probably late 2003 or early 2004.

And we were, we're in basically right outside of Fallujah Iraq, which was the baddest place on the planet at the time. And we were, where our, you know, our, you know, our base was set up. It was basically, we were basically due west of Baghdad maybe, I don't know. As a crow flies, maybe like 20 miles or so, it's not very far. Anyway, one night I was in the building, you know, working in our office, essentially, and I stepped outside. And we didn't have, you know, we didn't have like indoor toilets. It was all port of johns, just rows, you know, row of blue port of johns down along this wall around our compound. And I walked outside as maybe, you know, eight, nine o'clock at night.

and I looked up for whatever reason. I looked up. And of course, now, keep in mind, it's dark out, but there's a lot of stars. And I look up and there's one of those triangles. It's got, you know, a white point of light on each corner. It didn't have the light, like a red light in the middle, like you hear reported a lot of times. And it's going due west, like directly towards town. And I can see it because it's blocking the stars out.

And I look at it for maybe like two seconds. and then it just blacked its lights out. I could still see it, but you didn't see the lights. Now, if it hadn't had the lights on it, I probably never would have saw it. And it just cruised on towards, you know, towards the city. And I thought to myself, well, I guess the black triangles are ours, you know, because to me it seemed like it was a military aircraft. I don't have anything to base that on other than it didn't have any business being there unless it was, you know, some kind of military thing.

And I really couldn't get a, you know, a sense of size about it. but just, you know, guessing and kind of, you know, analyzing it over time, I would say it was probably around the size of something like a, you know, a medium-sized aircraft, like a C-130 or something like that. Of course, there was no way to tell, you know, what the altitude was. If it was really big and in a high altitude, it might appear the same. But it really wasn't moving very fast. I mean, it was moving with purpose, but it wasn't like a smaller aircraft. craft at a low altitude will you know if you look up and it goes over it's moving pretty quick uh you know your perception of its speed but if it was at really high altitude it would look like it was just barely

crawling so this thing you know passed over me within you know just a couple of seconds and uh and then disappeared but so anyway i kind of kind of lost the thread there about what i was talking about but anyway my idea was it was a military aircraft and it was you know not you know five football fields across or anything. It was, you know, some normal aircraft size. Well, and that's what I was going to ask you about, too, if you thought it was military. Now, is it possible, and you would know more than I would? I mean, is it possible that could have been Iraqi military? I mean, obviously it's a possibility that it's ours, right? But I didn't know what their technology was. No, they didn't. I mean, they had some, at one time, you know, some I'm saying they had some

fighter aircraft, like some older migs and that kind of thing, but they didn't have anything. anything approaching this. As a matter of fact, I'd never personally seen anything like that at all. And I've seen, you know, almost all the aircraft that the military has, including drones. Now, the only thing, you know, people ask me if it made a noise, the problem is, is like all our power ran off generators. So there was a generator nearby and that was, you know, that was, that was drowning out probably any, any possible noise. Now, if it was low and it was really a jet powered aircraft, I would have heard that, you know, I probably I heard the jet engine because we saw fighter aircraft all the time, you know, doing straits and, you know, attacks on targets and all that kind of stuff. So, I mean, it was a war zone. So those things are

pretty, pretty loud. But if it had a, you know, if there's anything less than that noise, it was drowned it out by the generator. I got you. Yeah, man, interesting stuff. And listen, what you just laid out in this episode is really just showing what we talk about in this show, which is reality is far stranger than fiction. It's what we started out talking the show about. I mean, it's just when you, if you think the reality that you perceive is all that there is, you're living a boring life.

Yeah, yeah. Even if you don't experience anything, I can tell you there is a lot more to this reality than what we understand. And, you know, all this stuff, we don't even know what any of this even means or what it, you know, what's the larger context of it? We don't, and we don't know. But we have a place in it.

But, you know, what is it? You know, I mean, it's just, it's unknown. It's a, like I said before, it's, these are normal parts of the universe, but we just don't understand what they are. Absolutely. Before we get out of here, I want you to give a shout out again to the podcast and all and where people can find it. Oh, yeah. So it's a Seven Ages audio journal. It's on all the podcatchers, iTunes, all that.

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I'm doing good. So let me rephrase that because it might mess people up. Your podcast is called From the Dark. You're not Mike from the Dark podcast, but the podcast itself is called From the Dark, right? That is correct. From the Dark podcast. Yeah, so what do we talk about on that show? Anything and everything paranormal.

If it's weird, we want to hear about it. Kind of like this show, then. A lot like this show. Your show was very much an inspiration. Well, I'm glad. And, dude, I appreciate you saying that and starting up another podcast. I think that's always a good thing for people to have a variety to listen to. So I always encourage people to try starting their own podcast and stuff.

And I'm glad you're doing it, man. And we were just talking about some equipment and stuff. And I'll tell everybody, man, you operate with the roadcaster, man. And I remember when that thing first came out and I was like, oh, that's sweet. But I don't need it. So it's probably not a good idea to buy, but I'm glad that you're using it because it looks real sweet. Yeah, it's phenomenal. It's absolutely idiot-proof.

Well, then it'd be great for me. But, yeah, so you got paranormal experiences, and I guess your paranormal experiences kind of help age you in the idea of starting a paranormal podcast, right? They really did. because growing up as a typical child, you know, I was afraid of the dark and everything that was in said dark. And I forced myself into embracing what I thought was scary so that I could deal with it. And then over the years it just became a passion. and during that is when I had some experiences back in the early 2000s. And that's what we're here to talk about.

Awesome, man. Yeah, a lot of times people's personal experiences really kind of push them off into a life course of some direction, you know. And it's just one of those things where, like, I really mean it. I say it a lot on the show, but your life experiences are going to dictate how you view life and how you go about it. And, you know, it's just one of those things where I think most people who have these kind of podcasts and stuff, it stems a lot from their own personal experiences. Absolutely.

So you have these paranormal experiences that you went through. And it was, I think the majority of it was living in a single home that had a lot of crazy stuff, right? That is correct. This particular house had so many different elements going on in it. It was hard to differ in. she ate one from another sometimes because there would be so many different things going on at one time. My wife and I at that time had been separated and we had sold our home and she had moved into this house. She was renting.

Well, her and I reconciled our relationship and I moved into this home. Well, for the first several weeks to even months, nothing really in particular happened. There were some weird elements about the home. The landlord collected hurses. So my backyard was completely full of old hurses, dozens of them. That was weird. but, you know, nothing strange or anything happened with that that I knew of. It was just an odd element to the home.

And then the home had a drive-in carport. Well, on one side of it, it had a retaining wall that was damaged. So the landlord was having this retaining wall replaced. And I happened to be home that day, and I'm just outside observing. and as they take this wall down, it's about five foot high, maybe six foot at the highest point and tapers down to nothing.

You can see underneath the concrete pad of the carport, like what they used for backfill were cars. There were crushed cars under this carport. And I thought, man, that's freaking weird. You know, why would somebody do that? Why wouldn't you use fill dirt? you know, did you just have these cars laying around?

And it was just weird things like that. I'm like, all right, something's just not normal about this place. And then one night we had gone to bed. And I don't know how to describe what this entity was other than saying that it was demonic. It may not have been, but to me, felt that. And I was laying in bed, dead asleep. And I've tried to go over this in my mind a thousand times of, you know, was it sleep paralysis? You know, things of that nature. And I don't

really think it was because, I mean, I could absolutely move. I didn't have any of those, you know, typical sleep paralysis signs. But I remember having this really, really strange feeling. And I was awake, but I had not yet opened my eyes. And then when I did this entity, it was female, was hovering over the bed, probably 18, 24 inches, off of my face. And it was completely horizontal to me.

And the best way that I know how to describe how it looked, if you've ever seen the original Ghostbusters, the lady in the library, that ghost in the library is how this thing looked to me, very skeletal face. She was wearing a black,

flowing gown, of some sort. And you could see it. Actually, it was like, you know, air was blowing on. It was flowing. And her face was almost red. It was like a, I don't know, it was like a weird red and black mixture.

It was very dark, but you could see very skeletal features. And she had long, flowing hair, which was also black. And in just that few seconds of me thinking, what in the hell am I looking at? Started to feel this immense radiating heat come from this entity.

I mean, like, I don't know if you've ever been in a tanning bed, but I mean, it was like that. When the tanning bed first comes on, it was like that kind of heat over my entire body. And it just felt like it was getting more and more intense. And I remember I turned my head to look at my wife to see if she was awake or what. She was sound asleep. I didn't try to wake her.

And then as I rolled my head back over to look, the noise that this is, thing emitted. I don't really know how to describe it. It was the most ear piercing, shrill it wasn't a scream. It was like almost a siren sound.

But I remember, I mean, like immediately reached up and grabbed my ears to try to like protect myself. It was so loud and so high pitched that, you know, it literally made. you feel like your ears were bleeding.

And at that time, I did shut my eyes and, you know, just clenched up. And then I felt the heat go away. And at that time, I opened my eyes and it was gone. I got up and went to the kitchen, get a glass of water, and try to figure out what the heck was going on. I regain my composure and I go to the living room to sleep on the couch. I then spent probably the next six weeks on that couch. I would not go back to sleep in that room.

I could not force myself to go lay in that bed. That was just the beginning of several things that started occurring over the next several months. The next thing I remember was the laundry room in this house was down in the basement. And I was going down to do laundry. And it's a typical unfinished basement with just your socket and light bulb, no fixture of any kind. And it's an L-shaped house. And so the lights followed the shape of the house. And as I was going down the stairs, as I walked under each light bulb, they exploded.

I can complete synchronicity with me being under it. They would pop until I finally made it to the end where the laundry room was. And by that point, there is no light. So being the big, strong man I was, I did like anybody would, and I got the hell out of there. The next occurrence was in the same area of the basement. I had gone down to just get something out of the basement. And over in the corner, I had a weight bench and a heavy bag and things of that nature. Well, this was a hundred pound heavy bag that I had hanging up.

And that thing was swinging from side to side so violently that, that it would cause slack in the chain from where it would get up so high and then fall back down and then go to the other side and do it again just over and over. And I watched it for a good 10 or 15 seconds. And I thought, you know,

I don't know what's happening here in this house. So I started discussing things with my wife. She did not witness any of these particular things, but she did believe me when I told her, you know, what was going on in the home. We were very active in church, and so we had a small group in our church that would come to our home, and we would rotate different people's houses where we did meet. but we discussed it and we took it to the church. And so our small group decided to come into the home and to try to do a blessing on the home.

You know, anoint the doils and the crosses over the door. And, you know, we prayed. And, well, everything seemed to be going fairly smoothly. and I'm in the back of the line as the group is going down the hallway. And at the very end of the hallway was the door that went to what was our bedroom. I'm in the back of the line and I can see, you know, there's probably, I don't remember now, six to eight people in front of me. And the leader of the group went to cross into what was our bedroom.

and something knocked this man off his feet and probably slid him about eight feet back down the hallway into the next person in line. Never saw anything. It was just as he went to cross into the threshold, into the bedroom. They then decided it's time to go. this is, you know, more than they know what to do with.

So over the next few weeks, I mean, this is, it is, all this is just absolutely consumed me in thinking of what is going on in this home. And I just over and over thinking about what could be causing this. And I remember being at work and a thought came into my head about a table that was in my basement. This table was given to me from my grandmother. And I don't, at the time, I didn't know why I thought about that particular table. But then I started thinking about the story behind the table that she told me. The tabletop on this was made from the hatch of a slave ship. I just had it stored in the basement. And I don't know if it was,

you know, a God thing or what it was that they brought it to light for me to get rid of that table. So I called the small group from church and I told them, you know, the epiphany, whatever you want to call it that I had had about this table. So they came over and we burned this table, got rid of the remnants of the thing, made sure there was, nothing left. And Tony, we literally, we never had another occurrence in that home. So I don't know if whatever it was, something was tied to this object. I honestly, I don't know, but I do know that it stopped. Everything stopped.

That's interesting. It almost makes you feel like, well, let me ask you this. the first experience you had with the woman over your bed. I'm assuming that person, could you tell the race? I mean, do you think it could have been like a former slave or something? I couldn't tell a race. It was too skeletal looking. I just, I could tell it was female.

But that's it. I got you. Yeah, it's interesting because the tabletop was. made out of, what was it, a chest or something? How did that work out from the slave? It was a hatch that went like to a lower deck. It still even had like this recessed handle on it, like that you would hold the handle and lift it up, you know, to go down below.

And that's what my grandmother told me it was, was a hatch from a slave ship. How she knew that, I don't know. I don't know where it came from or who made. it into a table. Man, that's interesting. It really is interesting. Because I would love to be able to try to connect the dots as to what was what it was about that.

Because, I mean, if it was, I don't know, something that was owned by slaves. I mean, a slave ship isn't owned by slave. It transports slaves. I mean, they didn't own anything. It just makes you want to because, I mean, if it was owned by slaves or something like that, it makes you wonder, you know, what, how am I trying to say this? you don't know what the spiritual practices were of the slaves that were taken from whatever country the ship was transporting.

I automatically, when I say slave, I think Africa, but we know that slaves are all over the world. Well, maybe people don't know. There are slavery all over the world, not just Africa, right? To this day. Right. But it just makes you wonder if there was some kind of spiritual practices going on that were attached to that ship. it seems like.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I really, I don't even have an educated guess. But the events were so different, like, from what I'd say was the demonic presence, to just, you know, weird poltergeist activity. And one thing I didn't mention, like, my children were small then. And it did affect them in a way that was odd because they started becoming like really mean to each other. And, you know, part of it may have been age. But, I mean, this was, it was different.

It wasn't just like a sibling rivalry or thing. I mean, you know, they were doing like, you know, mean things to each other. And like, that's not like them at all. So it affected everybody in some sort of way. Well, and I forgot this also, that my wife at the time, she did have an event there in that same bedroom. I believe I had already gone to work. And hers seemed like more of a sleep paralysis nature

with, you know, the something coming in and, you know, the sitting on your chest feeling can't breathe, can't speak, can't move. She did have that happen during this time also. But whatever it was, and it just, it seemed like multiple things. It doesn't seem like it was all just the same thing going on. And that's just a personal feeling I have of the way the events happened. it seemed like there were multiple things happening, you know, from multiple entities or what,

what have you. Yeah, that's interesting. That's really interesting. Man, I want to know more. I want to know more. Oh, man. Well, we soon after that, we did vacate that house, even though nothing had happened in, you know, quite some time.

It just never gave you that warm and fuzzy feeling that a home should. It was, man, it was bad. Like I said, you know, a grown-ass man, I won't even go sleep in my bedroom. I'm so afraid. And I forget the timeline. I'm sure my ex-wife would tell you, but it was a long time that I slept on that couch. It left her in the bedroom. I'm sure she loves her for that.

Oh, I'm sure. So you mentioned about the sleep paralysis. Was the sleep paralysis happening during that first experience? With her, it was after. It was probably a month after that it happened to her. And that was just based on, you know, the story that she told me after I'm getting home from work that day, what had happened to her early that morning. And, you know, the way she described it was, you know,

like something sitting on her, I guess, you know, like the old hag or whatever people call it from the sleep paralysis standpoint. But she never saw anything that I'm aware of. If she did, she never mentioned it to me. But I do recall she said she was finally able to utter the words, Jesus, and then it stopped. Well, isn't that a common scenario? it is yep i uh i have people that message me or you know i just had it happen a couple days ago somebody said that their friend was going through heavy demonic uh heavily demonic stuff in

their home or their child was or something like that and uh do you have do you have anything to help us i'm like the only thing i can tell you that i actually have faith in is uh crying out for the name of jesus it seems like it works for people who are christians and who are not christians it seems to work for everybody. Absolutely. That would be the only advice that I had for anybody. I mean, just truly, I don't know any other answer, personally. I just don't.

I'm a podcaster, not a Ghostbuster, you know what I mean? Exactly. Yeah, I don't have all the answers. No, I don't. And I don't want all the answers, to be honest with you. I find life more fascinating when I'm seeking for truth than answers. so um but yeah i mean it's one of those things where i i i wish i could you know have a the magical answer for everybody to fit their you know desired um how do i say world view you

know but because i know sometimes i say the people and they're like oh well i'm not going to do that and like i don't know tell you so yeah you know it is what it is um but uh talking about the guy who got thrown from the church. One, I mean, that had to be so surreal seeing that, right? I mean, that had to be like bonkers. I mean, to me, it seems like it takes everything you've been experiencing and putting it on another level. Right.

And it was, you know, it was one of those that nobody else had visually experienced anything other than me until that day. And then there was an entire group of people that witnessed it. And like so, we didn't see anything, but I was in the back of the line. And if the guy that was leading did see anything, he didn't say it. And I didn't ask, probably should have. But they knew everything that had been going on. and to watch a grown man, you know, six foot tall be lifted off his feet and thrown back down a hallway,

you know, you wonder like about everything at that point. You're like, you know, is this reality? What is happening? There's so much that goes through your head about, you know, what you thought? you knew about life. And it all comes to, you know, a screeching halt when you see something like that happened. But it literally wouldn't let him walk in the door. And that was the whole point was to get to that bedroom.

And it would not let us in that bedroom. Wow. That's interesting. It reminds me of a story that my professor told me back in college. I've said it before on the show about how I've said it before on the show about how I I've had some experiences in college where I saw what to me looked like two eyes looking at me through a window, my blinds being pulled back on my window in the dorm room. And I was living pretty a freaked out life for a few days there, if not weeks.

And I got to the point where I reached out to a professor at the college. And I don't know why I reached out to him. He wasn't my professor at the time. I'd never had a conversation with the man before my life. But I went into his office and we sat down and talked about what I was going through. and he shared with me some, because he wanted to assure me that I'm not crazy and these kind of things do happen. And he started sharing with me some of his experiences and stuff.

And before he was a professor, he was a pastor of a church. And there was, and I forget all the details, but there was a guy outside the church where they were leading worship. I think he was leading worship that Sunday or whatever, whatever day it was. And somebody came into the church and walking. up onto, you know, the stage and literally pretty much stopped worship to whisper in his ear. And they told him that there's somebody outside the church that needs his attention immediately. And he goes out and there's a crowd forming around the church.

And this guy is possessed. Like, he's demonically possessed. And from what he was told is that this guy tried coming into the church. And every time he went to go through the door, it was like he was just thrown back. He was like knocked back. He just couldn't answer. couldn't enter the church. And he told me how, like, he told the crowd to kind of disperse and to go away.

And he just had himself and a couple other people there with them. And, you know, he exercised the demon. And, but it just reminded me of that story because I've heard things like that before where people are trying to enter through a doorway and whatever it is is not letting them. What in your scenario, it seems like there's something there, not letting people enter. But this guy, he had something in him that was not letting him enter this church. Right. And the one thing that I did not mention this table that was in the basement, it was stored directly under our bedroom. Oh, wow. And I don't know if that had anything to do with it or not, but if you went through the bedroom floor, you would have been where this table set in our basement.

At what point did you get that table? You know, I tried to remember that before we started talking, but it's one of those things since her and I had been separated for, I think it was about six months. I can't remember when I moved the table into the house because I slowly moved my things into that home. and I can't, I'm sorry, you can't remember if I had gone up to my grandmothers and she gave it to me after that. I believe that's the case what happened because I can't remember having it stored anywhere before that. And I think I had just gone up there at some point after I moved into this home and brought it into the house. and apparently that's what this object had something to do with it because nothing had happened before. It was just kind of a creepy house with a bunch of hearsees in the backyard, but nothing had happened.

Yeah, the hearse is definitely is creepy. And you mentioning about the car parts, what, making up the foundation or something like that? Yeah, the foundation to the foundation to the car. carport. There was, there was cars under there. And I mean, like, who does that? I don't know. That's weird. That's weird. It doesn't seem like a very, um, uh, efficient way to, to engineer a foundation.

No, no, absolutely not. No. Um, yeah, I would definitely be creeped out. Now, um, you, and you didn't say this on the show, I'm sure you, you probably don't care, but you work at a cemetery, right? I mean, you engraved tombstones. That is correct. That is, that is what I do for. a living. I've worked for a national cemetery and I engrave tombstones for veterans who have served our country. And were you working there when this was happening? No. I was not. I have actually only been doing this job for about a month now. So I've just started into this. So I don't have any good cemetery stories yet. Oh, I'm sure they're coming. Oh, I'm sure.

My money is on your first experience seeing a soldier. So, you know, the odds are great. Yes. So, you know, and I do keep my eyes open when I leave and die, and it's dark. And it's a really long way to the entrance of the cemetery. And, you know, I just look. You know, that part of me wants to see something, but nothing yet. So your grandmother, did anybody ever talk about or does she ever talk about?

having experiences and stuff that maybe would point to the table? No. I tried to think back on that also, and I don't remember anything ever being said about. I remember the table sitting at her house, and it sat outside on a covered porch area, and she always had plants sitting on it. And it set out there basically my entire life,

I walked by that table. And, I mean, never, anything that I can remember as a child ever happening. But when she gave me that table is when she told me the story. And I don't, conspiracy, whatever, but I don't know if talking about it did something. I mean, I really don't know. I've tried to think of every avenue of why she would not have any issues, but yet I did. And there again, Tony, I don't know if it was the table or not, but I just know that everything stopped when we destroyed the table. Well, maybe there was a reason why she had it on the outside of the house.

Yeah, and maybe she just didn't want to tell me. Yeah, well, maybe she did. Maybe she told you the history of it thinking, okay, well, this is about as far as I'm going to go because I don't want any of usual on me. So I'm going to tell you the history of the table. And there's a reason why it's outside the house. You'll connect the dots if something happens. Good luck, son. Yeah, good point.

I never thought about that. If I could go back and talk to her now and be like, wait a minute. Yeah, because, I mean, the activity starts up in your life when you take the table and it ends when you get rid of the table. So it does seem, and especially with the thought of the table popping in your head kind of thing, it's just like a light ball. went on, almost like something was pointing you in that direction, whether God or just, you know, intuition or whatever. Right. Yeah.

And it was exactly like that. I mean, it just came to mind one day. And I was like, why in the world am I thinking about that table? And so it was only maybe a day after I even had that thought before we destroyed the table. Oh, wow. You acted fast. Yeah. Did you say you brought the church people over again to burn the table?

about yourself. Yeah, I brought them over. It wasn't the whole group that came the first time, but two of them came and took part of that with me. And, you know, we went back into the home and, you know, prayed over the house again. And literally not one event ever happened again. Nothing. Yeah, I imagine the person who got thrown didn't come over, yeah? No, he did not. I can imagine. He was not one of the two. I forget how you phrased it, but when you were telling that story, you mentioned about how they left afterwards.

It was almost like they weren't ready to handle something like that. And I do find it interesting because I think that's the case with a lot of people. Again, this is just me speaking, not you, but the American culture in Christianity is very, very fluffy these days and lots of feel goods, you know, like, oh, you know, three points on how to follow Jesus closer this week, just like last week. And there's no real teaching on how to deal with the spiritual realm. So people who even believe in the spiritual realm, which a lot of these people, they say they do, but they don't really believe it in the way that it really kind of exists.

They get smacked in the face with that kind of stuff. They're like, what the heck? I'm not ready for this. Exactly. And that's exactly what I think happened was, you know, they did believe and they knew something was going on there or they wouldn't have been there to try to help us. But I don't think anybody expected what happened to happen. And it was a real big reality check. Yeah.

It reminds me of the movie, oh man, it came out when I was a kid, Casper, the friendly ghost. And they have the priest going into the house to actually. exercise and he comes running out and he's like, no, not happen. I forget what the line was that he said and stuff, but it reminds me of that. It's just like, yeah, you think you're ready, but, you know, I think very few are, you know, it's one of those things where you could say you believe in things until it's like in your face. It's like, whoa, that's a little bit more real than I thought, you know? I mean, it throws you, you know, it's literally physically throwing you. So it's a problem. Yeah. So your mom, tell us about this.

story with your mom because you mentioned about her coming to visit you post death. Okay. This happened, I'm going to say a year or so prior to the last event. We were in a different home that we owned. middle of the night I get up, I'm not feeling well. And I remember I'm going to the kitchen to find some like

heptobismal or something because it's just really not feeling good. And as I come down the hallway, at the end of the hallway, it splits and to the left is the living room to the right of the kitchen. Well, as I go to turn, right into the kitchen, I glance over into the living room and I see my mother.

At this point, she had been gone somewhere around four to five years. And I never had any kind of experience since her death. And I remember I just stood there staring at her, trying to figure out if I was really, seeing what I was seeing. And she was just standing in the middle of the living room. And I couldn't think of anything to say or anything to do. So she finally says, aren't you going to say anything? And what I come back with is, yeah, you're dead.

And I remember she laughed. And she said, I know. And then I just kept standing there just, I guess, I guess awestruck. I didn't know what to do. And I said, why are you here? And she said, I'm here for the funeral. Well, that didn't sit well. I didn't want to know whose funeral. I wasn't going to ask. I wanted nothing to do with it. And so I changed the subject. And I said, I have kids now. and she said, son, I knew those kids before they were born. And I can remember this conversation like it happened this morning.

I mean, word for word, everything that was said. And I got very, I guess, scared, even though it's my own mother and there was nothing scary going on. And I remember saying, I really don't feel good. I need to get some medicine and go back to bed. And she said, well, aren't you going to give me a hug? And Tony, I walked up to her. And, I mean, I gave her a physical hug. I mean, there was a body there.

There was a, you know what I'm saying? It was not an apparition. It was a very physical hug that lasted, I don't know, 10 or 15. seconds. And I said, I love you. And I turned around and I walked toward the kitchen. And when I came out of the kitchen, she was gone. I was very shaken because I didn't understand what it just happened. And the whole funeral thing was really weighing on me. So I laid there most of the night, praying and just wondering, you know, God, what just happened here? Why? Why? So the next day, I'm at work, and I'm telling my boss who was a pastor, I'm telling him about it.

And he said, well, do you have any idea who you think it might be she's talking about? And at the time, my grandfather was in the hospital, very ill. And I said, it's got to be him. him. He said, well, it probably is. And so later that evening, I'm telling my father about it. And he said, my grandfather's name was Doug. He said, do you think it's Doug? I said, Dad, you know, it's got to be. Who else would it be? So the next day comes, and we get the phone call that my cousin has passed away. She had had cancer. She had been sick. But we weren't really expecting her to die quite so soon. Of course, you know, I tell my boss and I tell my dad, you know, what had just happened. And, you know, of course, they believe me in my story.

But, man, it was, that was the most surreal thing that has ever happened to me. And I remember standing at the funeral. And there was a gentleman, this was up in the hills of North Carolina is where my cousin was buried. and they had a gentleman playing Amazing Grace on the bagpipes off on another hill. And he turned and walked away from that hill still playing. And it faded out. And I remember my dad saying, do you see your mom anywhere? And I didn't.

I never saw her. But, you know, I knew she was there. I mean, she had to be because she told me that's why she was here. Even though I never saw any sign of her being there. I mean, she just had to be because everything she had said had just played out days later. So there's that. Wow.

That's lots of a really emotional story because I could hear it in your voice about recalling, you know, this experience of seeing your mom. And, you know, when you relayed that to other people, did they all believe you right off the bat or did some people kind of question your story? You know, I don't think anybody, questioned that story. I really don't feel like they did. Now, the other story,

the few people that I have told kind of give you a slant-headed look like, okay. But that one, it seemed like everyone did believe me. And it's, you know, it's a hard story to tell

just because, you know, it's your, you know, it's your mother. and but I am grateful that it happened and I had that experience because

I mean we have our beliefs as Christians you know of life after death but I guess part of you always wonders

and you know I knew she was fine I knew she was good and by the things that she said I knew that you know

She had been watching over my life. She knew the things that were going on. So that did give me, you know, comfort that there was still a connection there, even after death, that my mom's still a part of my life actively, actually. Yeah, definitely sounds like it. So when you had the experience initially, I know obviously it was real to you because it was like you hugged her for like 10, 15 seconds. It was a physical hug.

Uh, right. You said, mentioned that you woke up. You weren't feeling good, things like that. Did you ever question yourself afterwards thinking about yourself, like, were you just really not feeling good and you, you kind of hallucinated it or what? I mean, did you ever question the experience or was it just so real to you that it's just like, beyond a shout out that happened. You never kind of wavered from the idea of it. I did initially question myself, um, that night, like the first few hours as I laid there. And then.

you know, it it just kind of came to me, I guess, that, you know, no, that really happened. That there's no question about it. You know, I tried to justify it in some kind of way

because that was, I mean, that was the first, like, experience of any kind I've ever had like that. Ever. And so, I did try to rationalize or, you know, justify things.

But, you know, all I know to say, Tony, is what happened, happened. And, you know, she said she was there for the funeral. And it turns out she was. And you mentioned about your Christian faith and things like that. I mean, did it ever kind of make you question things as far as, like, what you previous believed was possible? Because, I mean, a lot of times, you know, especially as Christians, you believe certain things with the spiritual realm and other things you literally believe is impossible because

you believe you interpret the Bible a certain way that it's like excludes that for a possibility of like a loved one coming back to visit you. Did it ever kind of reshape the way you view these kind of things or did you already believe that those kind of things were possible going into that experience? I did believe that those kind of things were possible. I had never experienced anything, but I just always had a belief that they were. I had no proof, you know, it was just a feeling. And so, you know, I had heard other people's accounts and stories, but until you have one of your own, you know, it's one of those, like, what do they say,

you don't believe until you do? But, you know, it was all just very, very surreal. and it didn't change my faith in any way, shape, or form. It almost gave me hope. It was, I would say, you know, it gave me hope and probably even drew me closer to God at that point because I was, you know, grateful that I got to, you know, experience that and, you know, actually thank God for it. Yeah. I can see where you're coming from on that.

I mean, I fully don't expect this to ever happen to me. But, I mean, if the idea of my grandfather coming back and having that kind of encounter with him, man, I would be just as emotional about it as you. It's something that, I mean, I can't even express how deeply I miss that man in my life. And looking back in my life with the regret of not putting the time in with him that I could have, having him a right. round, you know? It just, if I could have an experience like you had with him, I would be all for it. But on the other side of it as well as like, if I had to make the call on it and if like God came to me and said, do you want to see your grandfather or not with what I believe heaven is, I think I'd be doing him a disservice pulling him from that to even have a second with me. Absolutely. So, I mean, fortunately for you, you didn't have to make a decision like that. Your mom, was there, I guess, willingly, unless, you know, maybe there's, I don't know how it all works on that. And maybe, you know, God allowed the certain situation to happen or it was, I don't know how all that works,

but it's really interesting, man. Yeah. Yeah. It was an eye opener for me that, you know, there's more to this thing than what we realize. There's more going on around us than we may initially perceive. is reality. Yeah. And I know not every show is the same as far as like, I mean, episode is the same.

But like hearing stories like yours and, you know, just different things that I pick up from other people or my own personal experiences, I tend to get a lot of, I gain a lot from people's experiences like that, like faith builders, you know, like there is a, there is something on the other side of this. Because I mean, sometimes when you're by yourself and you're just thinking about what is life, what is reality, what, why are we here, all that stuff. You start wondering, like, what if I'm freaking wrong? Like, what if there really is no God and there really is no afterlife?

There is no spirits. It's just, you know, you start running through your head, like, you know, well, how is that possible with all these people's experiences? And you just start thinking about that stuff, though. But hearing people's stories is exactly what, for me, builds my faith up in the fact that there is another realm and there is another life after this one and, you know, live accordingly, right? Absolutely.

I am 100% with you on that. I've, you know, until then, like you said, you know, you hear people's stories and, you know, you kind of get them as faith builders. But then once it actually happens to you, it's very comforting in a way. All right. Today we got Jasmine on the show. Jasmine, how are you? I'm doing good, Tony. Awesome.

So, Jasmine, before we get into your experiences, let's talk to the people and let them know about your podcast and some of your, you know, Netflix deals and things that you're doing there. All right. Yeah. So my podcast is called Sleep Snatchers Podcast. You can find us on any platform. And also on Instagram at Sleep Snatchers Podcast. The podcast really focuses on people that have out-of-body experiences, sleep paralysis, lucid dreaming, and astral projection. A lot of people that come on the show, they either deal with one thing or copled with several things within those categories. Right now, I'm currently trying to get more people to, you know, listen and also comment or not comment, but email in to talk about their experiences. And I know it's hard because a lot of

people are shy. But I created this show because it also is something I've experienced. I've been I've been having out-of-body experiences since I was about three years old. And that made me really just push it even more. And I am working on a project called Sleep Snatchers, which is actually a show. And I'm creating a pitch deck to actually pitch that to companies or networks that might want to pick it up. So we can actually get the stories out there on the big screen with descriptions. reenactment. So people that have experienced these stories will talk about their stories and they will be on camera in the interview phase. And then there will be actors reenacting everything that's

going on with them. So yeah. That's really cool. So the project that you're working on, the video project, is also called Sleep Snatchers? Yes. Awesome. Awesome. Well, I watched the trailer here and it looks really cool. It looks really well done. And I know given the opportunity, it will have a lot of success. Now, I know there's a lot of hoops to jump through to get that opportunity a lot of times. But I think it has a lot of potential in my end as far as what I see. Thank you, Tony. I really hope so. I definitely want to, I want there to be a movement. I want more people to talk more openly

about these out-of-body experiences in astral projection because it's constantly going on around us. whether people are aware of it or not. No, you're absolutely right. And when you were saying the concept of everything, I was like of your podcast, I was thinking, well, I know exactly why she's doing the podcast because she has these experiences as well.

And, you know, that's, I mean, talk about a lucky position you're in where you have the ability to work on these kind of projects and you've also had these kind of experiences. I mean, a lot of times people have these experiences, but they have no way to, you know, turn it into a TV show. or something like that.

And you're one of the lucky few that, you know, you're in a position where, you know, you can make a project like that. And I think that's really cool. I think it's really cool. And I hope that people check it out when it comes out. And you know what? When it does come out, just let me know. And I'll give it a shout out and stuff too so that people can check it out and, you know,

pursue watching it. Wow. Thanks so much, Tony. That means a lot. For sure. So now that we got the business out of the way, let's talk about your experiences, which started when you were three. You mentioned about how you had the out-of-body experiences, but you've also had other experiences

at three years old. So I'm just going to hand it over to you and walk us through your life of these experiences. Yeah, sounds good. So I'll start out with saying that I have a very clear sort of recollection of memories from a very young age. Very vivid, you know, scenery. Smells will sort of put me back into memory. And my very first experience with, I guess, the spirit world was when I was about three years old. And I was sleeping in my mom's room.

And, you know, it was the middle of the night. And I, you know, you ever wake up out of a sleep and it's not groggy at all? You're just awake. Yeah. That's exactly what happened to me. And when I woke up, I was sort of laying on my stomach. to the left side of the bed. And I wake up and I sort of like move around to face the front of the bed.

And in the front of the bed was a black shadow with, it looked like it was sitting in a chair, like at my level. I inspected this figure because I, you know, I didn't know fear at that time. I was just curious, you know. and I looked at this black figure and its hair was just perfectly cut off at the neck you could see the length of the neck

but the hair went to about midneck and it almost it could have been a cape but I didn't think it would be because it would just be all black going down but this this was just I was in awe almost at what I was seeing

and my next thought was show mom, you know? So I roll to my right side and I'm nudging her and I'm like, mom, there's someone sitting at the bottom of the bed. Now this, she jumps up because she's like, what are you talking about? Another person. It's just me and you in this house. And she jumps up and she looks straight at the bottom of the bed. We look at the bottom of the bed together and the figure's gone. And that was my very first experience with the spirit world. Now, The crazy thing is, is, you know, I spent a lot of time in this house, but that was my very first experience with the spirit. And the thing is, is I had never been alone in that house.

So that was my very first time, I guess, being alone. And I guess that was the time it wanted to talk to me. Now, the crazy experience was I, my mom had always told me that I had a cousin that stopped wanting to come. over because after my grandfather died, she thought that she saw my grandfather in the house. Now, I'm starting to believe that she saw that black figure that I saw that was sitting at the bottom of bed because later on, she stated that when she got up to get water in the middle of the night, it was something sitting in a chair in the living room. So, you know, this sort of figure sort of like is sitting when it appears to people.

You know, and we lived across the street from a military base. So I don't know if there were some weird activity going on there. And it was in Broadview, Illinois. You know, I've never had the ominous sort of filling before, but I have later in my life almost felt that presence again. And, you know, we moved out of that house probably when I was four years. years old and we went to Georgia. And I would say about two years had passed. And we were settled in Georgia and we had just like my mom moved into a townhome. And I was in, I was from moving,

transitioning from kindergarten to first grade. And I, you know, hadn't had any more like spirit experiences where I was seeing black figures. But something more different happened. And what would happen was when I would fall asleep, my leg or my arm would lift up into the air. And I was completely unaware of this. But my mom would tell me, she was like, I caught you with your leg in the air again last night. I just knocked it down, you know? And during these moments, when I'm sleeping and when I would come to like just to wake up to drink water at night, the weight of the limb would come crashing down. So it would just hit the bed, you know.

And I never understood what that was. But I always, I'd never had a night where I would not have a limb in the air. It was some sort of like, I don't know, it just felt really light to me and I could do it. But during those moments, you know, like I was just starting to experience my first, you know, like I guess experiences into sleep paralysis and out of body experiences too. because from first grade all the way up into fifth grade, I had an out-of-body experience every morning before school. And the way that this would happen is my mom would always, she would always like let me ease out of bed, you know?

So she was sort of like bring me a towel, wash my face, you know, and bring me my toothbrush, brush my teeth, but then I would have to do everything else. But in between those moments, I would fall back to sleep. and I would lift up and I would be moving around like I'm getting everything I need like, you know, and I'm opening drawers and stuff. But it was almost like, you know, I'm not quite clicking properly. And so I move out of the room into the little area where I go to wash my face fully.

And I'd look in the mirror and it would be nothing there. And I would snap out of it and wake up fully. That's trippy. That's trippy. This happened every morning from first grade to fifth grade. Now, that's copled with me also having the sort of limb floating moments, but the limbs standing up in the air would be at night. And then the out-of-body experiences would be in the morning. And I never, like, I got chills when I turned.

I was 21 years old when I understood what I finally was doing. and I got chills after that happened. And, you know, I still don't understand what the limbs lifting up in the air is, you know. It's just very strange to me, you know. Yeah, I've never, I don't think I've ever heard somebody talk about having their limbs lift in the air while they sleep like that. And that was a consistent thing for you where your mom's smacking your legs or arms down. And it's like she walks out of the room and it pops back up, you know?

Yeah, she said, I just knocked it down. I don't know what's up with those arms and legs. Wow. Wow. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, do you think, man, I wonder if that had something to do with like the out-of-body experiences, like your body prepping for it, you know? I don't know. It's weird. It's weird. You're not weird. The experience is weird. Yeah, you know, it's something I just, I looked it up. I was like, you know, like arms lifting up when you sleep, legs lifting up when you sleep. There's nothing on the internet. You know. Like there is something about like the crawling leg syndrome. I guess people have like the nerves crawling sensation when they sort of like are falling the sleep and it's just uncomfortable. But that was never what it felt like. I almost just didn't feel my extremities, you know?

Yeah, that's that's really interesting. I would be very interested to hear if somebody listening has a thought on that because I honestly don't know what to make. that and maybe it has nothing to do with the out-of-body experiences but it just thinking and maybe it's because I'm getting older and my body's getting worn down. I'm thinking, man, that just seems like I wouldn't be able to fall asleep with holding my arm up in the air, you know? Well, I'd say that, but I learned this new, this trick when I was in high school and it worked pretty good for me. I, I liked sleeping in class. You know, I wasn't much of a studious person. And so what I would do is

I'd take like my left hand and I just like rest my forehead on it. Like I was reading a paper in front of me and I tapped my finger on the desk. And I was able to get myself to fall asleep while I was still tapping my finger. Oh, wow. It looked like I was, I was reading a book or something, but I was gone until the buzzer went off to change classes. Wow. You know, and see, that's the thing is we can train our bodies, I guess, to do these things. Yeah, I guess so.

I think I had heard somebody else tell me that they did that and stuff. I was like, oh, let me try that. And it didn't work at first, but eventually I was able to do it. I was like, that's really cool. You know, but, you know, leading on to another strange experience that had happened in that townhome, my mom had always had this really old, like machine computer, if you will, like one of those early, early big bulky computers. and it's got the huge tower. And now this tower always emitted a sort of like buzz. And, you know, it never really bothered me.

But one night I was dozing off to sleep and I was actually laying next to this computer. The bed was right next to it. And I, you know, there's dead silence when I'm falling to sleep. And I actually experience, you know, early stages of sleep paralysis during this time. So the buzzing sensation came into my ears. But after the buzzing sensation, I tuned into a country music channel, if you will. So I started hearing country music playing in my ears like I'm wearing headphones during this particular experience. And as soon as I get out of the sleep paralysis, the music fades. And that particular moment sort of struck me as crazy.

crazy because I felt like I sort of like connected to a wave of the computer, if you will, because the way that the, I don't know how to explain this. Like going into the sleep paralysis and hearing the vibrations of the sleep paralysis copled with that little humming ring that the computer gave off and then the music started. And then once the paralysis was over, the music was gone. And that's exactly how it happened. Geez, that would have freaked me out. That would have freaked me out. Yeah. Were you scared in that moment?

I, you know, Tony, I was really scared. And I told my mom, I said, yo, like, I didn't say, yo. But I was like, Mom, I'm hearing music when I go to sleep. And she's like, oh, the angels are singing to you. You know, she just didn't understand, you know. And she just struck it off as that, you know. So I haven't really been able, up until my. adulthood to be able to talk about these experiences and really go back and forth about it. But

that's exactly what happened. Like, I feel like I really tuned into the computer. That's interesting. Now, how old were you again for that? I had to be around eight or nine. And did it continue throughout your life? Or is it kind of something that happened when you were a kid and it doesn't happen anymore. The paralysis or the tuning in. Well, the tuning in specifically. Like, do you still hear music at times? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Is it always country music? It's like a frequency. No, it's not always country music. It can be, you know, Tony, it can honestly be gospel. It could honestly be R&B. It could be music I've never heard played on the radio here before. And it just sounds amazing. And is it music that you recognize?

Like, have you ever heard a song that you knew? Let me see. Now, I have heard a song that I knew. And it was, but it also sounded like distant at the same time. Like, I didn't know it. It was like the song was mixed with another song, if you will. Man, that's interesting. I find that very fascinating.

Yeah. So that's what I experienced. And now when I have sleep paralysis, and I hit the vibrational stage, you can tune into different frequencies and hear things. And I've learned how to control that. And that's exactly what I'm under the understanding is when I was a child, I tuned into a certain frequency. And I think because the computer was closest to me, I was picking something up off of it. Wow. That's cool.

I mean, I don't know if it's cool, but to me, hearing it, that's really interesting. That's really interesting. Yeah, you know, I get chills right now talking about it because it gets more interesting from there. All right. Well, take us away. Yeah. So shortly after fifth grade, I entered middle school. Now, I was, I was bullied a lot in middle school and I noticed a decline in my experiences. So from about, I would say from about 12 to about 14 years old, my experiences sort of dropped off. and we moved back here to Illinois when I was about 15 years old and I was starting as a sophomore in high school.

And when that happened, my experiences came back and my limbs started to lift up again when I would sleep. So this was, you know, sophomore year. And, you know, like my mom told me, she was like, because she always does like the night check. She walks around the house and checks on it. You know, she's a single parent. So she would always, you know, make sure the house is secure and everything in the middle of the night. So, you know, doing her night check, she always would, you know, open the door, make sure I'm good. And she would see my leg or my arm in the air again.

And she said, you know, like your arm and your legs are lifting up again. Are you okay? And I'm like, I don't feel anything, you know. And, you know, it went on for about a month or so where she definitely paid attention. to it. But I started to have different experiences. And we were, we were living at an apartment at the time. And in this apartment, there was one night in particular where it was eerie. Like, somebody was doing witchcraft, I believe, in the building. That's how eerie it was. Like there was, like, it was that sort of awake that I had no groggyness. So I was like, I was like, I was like,

laying on my back in bed and I felt two points on my toes and two deep points on my shoulders touched like two like fingers had just poked me deep into my shoulder blades and in my two front big toes and I wake up and I'm not groggy and that's what scared me and made me remember that experience from when I was three and so I actually was sweating too so I don't know where that came from. But in the bathroom, I always had this suction cup razor. Like the case that the razor was in was suction cup to the tile. I'd never had any problems with this razor falling off the wall until this night. The razor fell. And it crashed into the tub. And my mom gets up. And she is walking through the house saying something's not right. And I said, what happened? And she had sleep

paralysis and someone was over her with like their hair was over her face if you will she couldn't see what it was but it was like grabbing her collar and she had to get out of the sleep paralysis and she was walking around the house so we had a shared moment during that night of whatever energy was in that building and i was on edge after that because you know you could feel that the energy was off. Maybe someone wasn't doing anything, but something had washed through that apartment building. It was really weird. Was that her first time ever having an experience like that?

Now, no. My mother has had a lot of experiences. She's also felt death on people that have died, like, after she's felt it. Really? Okay. So you guys are very similar in that sense, because I know you said you're an empath. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's exactly what it was. you know, but like that was, I think that really alarmed her having sleep paralysis and something sort of standing over your face and you feel their hair brushing against you, you know, she was deeply unerved by it. Yeah, that would be too. Yeah. You know, and later on in that apartment, I had came home from school early and mom was still at work

and I took a nap and I actually had sleep paralysis and I woke up. and there was a figure in front of me and it was a man and he didn't do anything he was just standing there but you know I felt like it was just a lot of energy in that apartment

it was a lot of people constantly moving in and out you know and I truly feel like apartment buildings they have a lot of energy because it's just too many people you know yeah you know I never really thought about that before the idea of the energy

and apartment buildings and stuff because I've said it before on my show where the last apartment we lived in before we bought our house, there was definitely, and I never really felt scared, but I knew there was something going on in that apartment. And I never really thought about the idea of the number of people that lived around me, because, I mean, it was a big apartment complex, multiple buildings. And I would see shadows walking from either my bedroom into the bathroom, bathroom down the hall, or vice versa.

and I caught this red light that popped up on camera one night when I was, I had, like, I knew something was going on. And so I was like, I had my wife's laptop and I set it up to record our bedroom while we slept at night. And a red light popped up on the screen, probably like 10 minutes into us sleeping. And that red light has also showed up at our house, too, over the years. Oh, Tony. that's chills right there.

Yeah, but it's nothing. It's just, like, it was this really just fast red light that flashed off, flashed on and flashed off. And I showed her and never really thought about it again. And I wasn't really into this stuff at that time. I was, you know, doing other stuff. And then she texted me one night when I was doing an interview saying that she saw a red light in the bedroom and it zipped off and left a light trail.

And I was, you know, I was just like, well, you're going to have to deal with that on your own, babe. I'm working. And then about a month or two later, I had the same experience in our bedroom. I was tucking myself in, and I had a pile of blankets on my hip. And between that pile of blankets, because I couldn't see past the pile of blankets, and my eyeballs was a red dot. And I saw it real briefly and then zipped off and let the light trail.

I was like, oh, that little, that little good. guy. I've seen him before, you know. Very interesting. Yeah, it was interesting. I haven't seen it since, but, you know, I never really felt threatened. I didn't, you know, I don't feel like there's something in my house or anything, but, you know, who knows? But I'm so desensitized by hearing everybody else's stories. I probably, I probably wouldn't know something's here even if it was. Right. You'd be like, oh, it's just the air ducts. Yeah, I'd be like, that's nothing. Trust me. All the stories that I've heard, this is nothing. Trust me. It ain't even paranormal. It's normal. It's normal.

Man, you know, some crazy stories, you know. But so, so, you know, right after high school, I ended up moving out into my own apartment. And I had a roommate. And, you know, this apartment was, it didn't have any sort of energy to it. You know, I didn't have any experiences until this one particular night when I was sleeping. And I was in the room by myself. And my roommate was actually there. There was a lot of nights that she wasn't home.

But this night, she was there. And I wake up and I realize, you know, like I'm having a sleep paralysis moment, which is odd because sometimes, well, which is odd because most of the time, sleep paralysis doesn't necessarily affect me if I've gone the whole day without a nap. And I'm going to sleep. I just go straight to sleep. So I woke up and I thought it was weird. And in my mind, I was just like, okay, wake up, move your toe, move your toe. And out of the left side of my eye, two children are standing on the side of my bed with glowing blue eyes. Like blue, like a light.

Like their eyes are like LED blue lights. scared the shit out of me. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, move your toe, move your toe. My fucking toe is not moving. And, you know, the backup toe is not moving. And so I'm literally just like, you know, looking eye to eye with them. And it's so crazy because they look like they were observing me. Like they stepped over from another dimension to see how irregular human sleeps, if you will.

They looked like regular children. They had blonde hair, regular. They had on, now their clothes look like, like older clothes, if you will. Like people from, I don't know, the early 1900s, like a vest. The girl had on like a quilted shawl. It was weird. but they were together and they were staring at me. I stared at them until I fell asleep.

Like I couldn't play the game anymore. Like I just, I went to sleep and I woke up and it was morning and they were gone. Wow. You know, what I find interesting, well, I mean, it's interesting that they have blue eyes. I mean, what kids have blue eyes these days, right? So glowing blue eyes just to say. But I find it interesting that when you were telling that story, what you described them wearing is what I was picturing.

in my head. And I don't know why I had that sense that it was old-timey clothing like that. But when you started describing what they were wearing, I was like, that's what I was picturing. That's weird. Yeah. Yeah. And that weird? That's real weird. Yeah. They had on the old clothes ready, you know, and I was like thinking like, no, no, what is this? You know, like I was trying to pinpoint it. They did not talk. They just observed, you know. And, you know, quite frankly, if they did anything else, I might have had a heart attack. But, you know, that's it, you know.

And it was very frustrating for me because I went to sleep with them standing there and I had no control over it. That's the, so you literally, like you went to sleep with them there. Yeah, I was basically stuck in paralysis while they were observing. Wow. That's terrifying. Yeah, I told my roommate about it the next day. She giggled. She said, girl, you're crazy.

Do you think that if you had a video camera set up that night, that you would have caught them on camera? Do you think that was something more meant for just you? You know, orbs probably would have showed up their energy. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. Yeah, their energy probably definitely would have showed up. It was very interesting.

You know, I don't know where they came from, but I want to know. I want to know where they visited from just to check me out sleeping. Yeah, I mean, shoot, I want to know what they wanted. I mean, it's like I've heard the black guy kids, but tell me about the blue-eyed kids, you know? I looked it up. I said, you know, I got to find out these kids with the glowing blue eyes. You know, I've heard of people with like the milked out white eyes, you know, but never piercing like it's like their robots. eyes, you know.

Yeah. It's like you're waiting for them to shoot beams out of their eyes. Yes. Yes. That's exactly what it was. It was almost like a bioluminescence in the eyes. Interesting. Very interesting.

Yeah. I staged the apartment after that. I, you know, I ended up leaving probably a few months after that. And, you know, my experience is still kept going. At this point, I was working for a yearbook photography studio, and I would go to different schools, and I would take the yearbook photos during the kids' class periods. So this particular day, we had about an hour and a half. So I was like, why not? I'm going to take a nap.

I don't have anything else to do, which was the worst decision, because once I took my nap, I had sleep paralysis. And this form of sleep paralysis was so different because when I came to, I was laying completely on top of myself. Like, I was looking at myself sleep. If that makes any sense, I was filling the breath of my body breathing while I was watching myself. And I could not move. I was stuck in this sort of paralysis for about five minutes. and all I could do was watch myself sleep. And it freaked me out.

And I kept trying to get myself out of it. And as soon as I came to, I got sucked back into sleep paralysis. And I was laying back on top of myself in the car. And this happened. I battled with myself for about 10 minutes. And I pulled myself out of it. And I just stayed awake that whole rest of my break because then again, you know, I don't want to have sleep paralysis.

again in this car, but it was crazy. And it was my first ever moment where I'd seen myself sleeping and I could feel the breath of my body on my spirit, if you will. Wow. Do you think that, all right, let me ask you this way, are you able to control any of your sleep paralysis experiences now or has it always been just very random for you where it just happens? You don't really have that control.

Yeah, I have been able to control them more now. I'm learning. You know, I've had moments where I've astral projected and, you know, I've actually done it at will. You know, but sometimes the paralysis, it comes on by itself and there's no way to stop it. Like recently, I had paralysis in my room and my mom's, so my mom has a conversation. condo now. And so I was in the room and I was sleep. And I had paralysis and I was sort of trying to get myself out of it. And then I hear a voice say, do you need any help? And it's a little girl's voice. At that moment, I was like, no, I don't need any help. And I wiggled my toe to get out

of it. And I've been having quite a few experiences lately with spirits in my room. And the condo and they they are curious you know like um i was laying down last week and i had sleep paralysis and this sort of entity almost was like so long that its face pressed my cheek but it was coming from the other side of my body like it extended over and it freaked me out so bad because it was like hi when it got to my ear. You know, so I think I need to sage the room, you know. I actually took a nap right before hopping on the call with you. And I had an experience and someone was saying, how you doing?

Why? Don't take naps. Everyone's busy in the, you know, I guess spirits want to chat too. Wow. Wow. Now, why do you think this is happening to you? Like, have you ever thought about that? I mean, you're not the only person in the world that's had these experiences, but I often

wonder, I mean, I know there's people who, you know, they control these experiences in a sense that they have astral projection where they do it on purpose. But the people who, you know, it seems like out of their control just happens to them, do you ever wonder why that is? I don't know. I, you know, I feel like maybe the energy is, you can pick up on a, a higher vibration, if you will, or a lower vibration, because sometimes the entities that are bothering me are not nice, you know, like the girl voice, I don't think that was a little girl at all.

And it worries me because I don't necessarily want to get stuck in my body, you know, I want to move to the next phase, whether it's a lucid dream or sleep or astral projection. But sometimes it's like a cog in a machine and you get stuck on the way out. And then you end up in that vibrational phase and spirits know you're in that vibrational phase. You know, and I truly don't know why. And that's why I've just led it to the term of being an empath. And being an empath, you're able to pick up on more energy than most people. Yeah. Okay.

Well, I mean, I wish there was a more fun answer to that, you know? Right. Like, I'm marked from birth and they come to talk to me because they need me. They're like,

what's up? They're just like, yo, you want a party? Right. It's like, you can't drink alcohol. So,

this is a very interesting. experience because this is almost like a telepathic incident. I was sleeping and this was next to my ex a few years ago and I went into sleep paralysis and I was saying help in my head and my ex turns over and they notice I'm having sleep paralysis and when I get out of it, I was like, you know, did you, what made you turn around? Because I couldn't even mind. move. And they said, I heard you say help. And I was like, what? You know, but they too were sleep at that moment. So I don't know if them being sleep also played a role in that. Wow. You know, because, I mean, so you're saying like, as far as you can tell, you didn't say that out loud.

Right. My mouth was not able to move. That's, that's interesting. That kind of goes into what Mr. X dreams. We had him on a while ago on the show. He's, he's, he's really. really all about the dreams. And I mean, he's about a lot of stuff, but like, he really goes in deep on dreams and, you know, the ability to control dreams. And being in this, like, you know, that other state of mind, I think, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think he believes that when you go into a dream, like, you're kind of going into another realm of existence. And he had an experience where he he was in this dream and he saw his sister and when his sister, he was leaving the dream and his sister, I think, was coming into the dream. But then like,

they're talking. They're both awake now. And she's like, I saw you my dream last night. And he's like, oh, I saw you my dream too. And they compared notes. It was the same dream. Oh my God. It was the same dream. And so, like, like, Like along the lines of what you experienced, it seems like maybe there was this other, there's another plane of existence and he heard you say help in that plane of existence. Wow. Trippy. Right, right.

You know, I scratch my head every day, Tony. Now, you know, fast forward, you know, to about a year later. And I'm working on this production. The show is on Netflix. It's called Cold Justice Crime. My friend and I, Rose, we are, we're here in Chicago, so my brother is actually in Wisconsin. So we worked something out where we could stay with him for those two weeks of filming. So the commute was about an hour up to Rhinelander.

And, you know, it was, you know, we woke up pretty early to make it. But it was worth it, you know, because we had somewhere to stay during the production. But at my brother's house, it wasn't an airy, weird feeling or anything. but one particular night, and I'll give you the setup of the living room. So you have one sort of couch that is to the window on the right side. And then you have another couch that's on the back wall. So it's almost like an L, but it's a walkway in between so the couches are separated. So Rose is on the couch that's closer to the window, and I'm on the couch next to the wall.

And so I've got a straight view of the T. Evie. And during this night, I was awakened with no drowsiness. And this is my, this is my problem, because when no drowsiness is there, that's when I know something is in the room. And so I felt the spirit in the room, but I wasn't sure if someone was awake, you know? So I lay there and I heard Jasmine. And I jumped out of the, I jumped out of my skin. I'm out of the covers, but my skin. And I, I'd run over to my friend Rose. I shake her awake. And I said, Rose, did you just say my name? And she's like, what, what, no? And I knew she hadn't said my name, but I just, I needed the comfort of waking her up, you know? And I, someone literally said my name. I go upstairs. I go to see my brother is awake to see,

to see if any of the kids are awake. Nobody is awake. And this prompted me to ask his younger kids. I said, have not ever seen any dark shadows? My youngest nephew says, there's a black figure that pokes my toe every night. Wow. I told my brother, he said, I'm going to have to look into that. He's not very, he's not into this stuff, you know.

But I did give him to tell me about one of his experiences when he was younger. and he had an astral projection experience and he felt his self floating out of his body and he said that he made it through the ceiling and he could see the sky but he got scared and he ended up back in his body so I told him I said you know this is happening to me and it could also be happening to your son and he he sort of brushed it off but I'm trying to stay on him because you know I truly feel like his little son there's some dark shadows in their house you know that was in the same way that I saw the dark shadow when I was younger. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Wow. Yeah. So, you know, it's crazy, man. It connects, but it's crazy.

You know, this next story sort of goes back to my mom because I actually had someone, I told this story on the podcast, and someone messaged me and told me they saw the exact same thing my mom saw when she, was eight years old. So my mom, she basically was around seven or eight years old. And, you know, she was, she's a boomer. She was born in the, you know, the 50s, you know, 60s era. So she, they played outside. You know, those kids didn't have much to do inside. So they came inside when the streetlights came on. So she's 62 now. And she has never forgotten this story. Yet has she told another story like this. She told me when she was about seven or eight years old, it started to rain and she was outside playing with herself because she was a kid that played alone a lot.

And she looked up and there was a seahorse dancing through the rain. And this seahorse was also glowing blue. The seahorse noticed her and it started to play with her and it started bouncing around her. And she said that it started bouncing through the trees and doing zigzags. And it played around with her. Now, the person that message me, she explained the seahorse down to a tea except for the color of his skin. The seahorse that she ran into was a gray, brown, blue color. but the seahorse she said played with her in the air and darted around now i told my mom and she was like what and i told the girl i said you know my mom is going to want to you know discuss this with you but the girl was so nervous she didn't even want to get on the phone with me and talk about this i was like you've left me

with all this this information and you don't want to talk to me but it was crazy yes welcome the podcasting that's it you know it's like oh your story's amazing come on the show i'd rather not oh come on you know please tell your story there's a guy who contacted me recently and he has one of the most amazing well for me it's amazing for him it's traumatic dog man experiences i've ever read in an email and god and he he he's like you know he's willing to come on the show and talk and stuff I emailed him back and I'm still waiting for him to email me back. I'm just like, come on, bro. Come on, man.

Like, come on. I totally get the feeling like when you just, it's like, oh, gosh. Yes, yes. But, you know, it's, it's a really interesting world, you know. And I truly believe those seahorses are playing from an interdimensional place. And I don't know if the rain charged something and they were able. able to make it through. But, you know, my mother has, she does not tell stories like this, but she will not forget this story. And the fact that someone else has reached out to me and

they've seen the same thing. I'm, I need to, I need answers. Yes. Yes. We all need answers, Jasmine. We all need answers. Right. We're all in this together. But, you know, the, the next experience after that. I know, like tons of experiences. But after the trip of shooting the crime show, I get back. And I had just moved into my studio. So I was still unpacking when I got back. And I was finally set up. I put the couch together. And it was midday. And I decided that I was going to take an app. Why did I do this? And I'm dozing off. And, you know, as you doze off, and that layer hits, I hear the real world fade away almost. And then that static hits, you know, that vibrational layer hits you.

As soon as I hit that vibrational layer, something is sitting on my couch. And it's enjoying my couch. And it's bouncing up and down on my couch. And the thing is, is because I've had sleep paralysis for so long, spirits know when someone is having sleep paralysis. I don't know how or why, but maybe it's a certain way. Maybe they actually see your body detaching, you know, your spirit leaving itself. But I felt the shift of the spirit realized that I was having the paralysis. So I go from hearing the spirit, filling the comfortableness of the couch, to hearing it stand up, pop down on its two feet, walk over to the bay. And

bed and it puts its hand on my side and then it sits on the bed. From there it goes, hi. I, you know, I wiggled my toe and I finally got out of it. But that was a break. It was like a welcome to the apartment sort of sleep paralysis, you know. And that's what I experienced. You know, I staged the place because it was another apartment building, hundreds of tenants, you know, I truly felt like it was a lot of energy, you know, and there was, you know, all these people, there's going to be something in this building. Once I staged it, I did not have any more spirited paralysis. I did have paralysis, but it did not cope another energy being in the room. Interesting. Interesting. So it said hello to you, right? Yeah. I experienced a lot of entities

he's talking to me. Yeah. Yeah. And do you ever get used to that or does it freak you out every time? You know, it freaks me out because I don't, I, you know, the last time I opened my eyes to actually look at an entity, it had razor sharp teeth and red eyes. I said no to that. So I keep my eyes closed.

So I, you know, when that entity was in the room and it sort of like pressed its face on my cheek, but it was like elongated to the other side of my body still standing up. I just, I got to say no. I can't look at the face. No, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I've, I've, I, I've, I've, I've, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, uh, I mean, if you can't control these things and make it stop, then at least don't look at it. Right.

Right. You know, and, you know, I've, so I've also had experiences where I've, uh, sort of like, astrald or lucid dreamed into another body. That's not my own. And I have vivid recollection of being on a sort of like military base, but there's a fight and a brawl breaking out. But we're trying to figure out what's going on. But I remember so specific that it's a gated facility and there's shooting going on.

but I wake up from the dream and then I'll go a week or so and then have that dream again and it's taken from a new perspective and we're in the getaway car if you will and we're going down but there's intricate conversation I can see the navigation system on the screen I can see where the person the driver is pointing I can almost see the gender and race of the person It's, you know, sort of blurred. It's really weird, you know, like I've had experiences so intricate where I've been in someone else. I know it's not me because when I look down, it's not my hands. It's not my hair.

But I was in this sort of like high-rise apartment to one of the people that was working at the military base. And this dude's name was Bond. And he was a mathematician because on the table was math equation. notes. And I looked at this and I could not read it vividly. It was blurry. But I remember seeing like equations and everything. And this was so vivid. The guy's son was giving us a tour of the apartment. That's how vivid it was. I could see out the window and see that we were in a very populated downtown area. I remember seeing the son's room. We detoured into Bonds's room. And I woke up from there. I faded away when I became more conscious. But I remember those names very particular.

Yeah, that that has me like reeling in the sense that do you ever wonder if there's something going on that maybe other people or beings or something are controlling these experiences of yours. I mean, like, that has a little, I don't, what I'm about to say, I don't think is what you're experiencing, but it has to feel of like that idea of like the 20 and back kind of thing where, you know, like you're in just like another body, another frame of time and you're in your, you're operating there. And then you wind going back into your normal body. It just has that kind of feel to it. I'm just like, dang, like, is, Is there some kind of like secret military operation happening to Jasmine right now?

You know, Tony, that's what it feels like. When I was at the military sort of base, I experienced getting shot and going down and almost being rejuvenated, if you will, like into another consciousness. Wow. It was very interesting. And it's hard to explain. But like it was like breach mode. Like something happened. And there's helicopters, lights going around.

There's gunfire. We're breaking in into rooms. You know, I remember even picking up a notebook and trying to understand what was going on or seeing if there was notes from some room that, you know, once we breached, we were looking for. It was like a full purpose of this body that I was in and they were on their mission, you know. Talk about a simulation. So your consciousness is going into some kind of like other simulated video game consciousness to do these things and then you come back out of it. That's trippy stuff right there.

That's trip. Yeah. Maybe it's just me. I don't know. I think it's trippy stuff. Yeah. You know, and the lady that I've been going into, I don't know what her face looks like, but she's got blonde hair and she's white. And she was the same person that was in Vons's apartment looking at the.

math notes and and talking to the sun. It was crazy. I was experiencing life through her eyes. Jasmine, I think we found another film project for you there. I mean, this sounds like it could be a TV show or a movie or something. Like,

man, you do it right. It could be on a level of the Matrix. That's, you know, man, that's the goal. That's everybody's goal. I mean,

you being in the industry, I'm sure you heard how that whole thing came together. Like those like it was not meant like nobody thought that movie is going to be a success at all. They did. They, they were like, yeah, this movie is just dukey. It's not going to succeed. And then they do three. Yeah.

Excuse me, three films. Yeah. They did three films and the concept of how they did it where like Neo would jump and the cameras would spin around kind of thing. Like that was new. Like that the way they did it was very new. And from what I understand, they had like all these cameras. It's like intricate. You probably do it now with just one camera, like a 360 camera, you know.

But back then it was all new. And there was not a lot of high hopes of this movie being anything. It turned out to be an all-timer. Wow. You know, and I, you know, the Matrix was, it's a movie. It's one of my faves along with interstellar. Interstellar is so good. And what's the other one?

I can't think of the name. But, you know, I really like, you know, space movies when they're done right. I truly feel like Interstellar was done right because they did research. But also those worlds could totally exist, you know. It wasn't too far-fetched, you know, where they were fighting alien versus predator. Hey, no. Hey, now. I don't want to, I don't want to say that's, that's far fetched there, okay?

You know what, Tony, you're right, because, you know, I was, I was banking that we'd be all zombies by now after the vaccine. I hear you. Well, I'll part on this little factoid. Yes. That movie The Matrix, what Neo was originally supposed to be Will Smith. Did you know that? Yes, I did know that. Like, when I found that out, I was thinking to myself, my gosh, how different would that movie be with Will Smith?

Right. Because Neo, just the way the character is played, I can't imagine Will doing it like that. That's what I'm saying. I'm a die-hard Keanu fan. So he just embodies, you know, John Wick, the high table, come on, man. So I agree with you. and the way he is in real life is like just how he acts on camera. And I never watched the John Wick movies until literally recently my brother

referenced it in a text. And I'm like, yeah, I never saw that movie. He's like, dude, I'm telling you now, just watch the first one and thank me later. And he was right. My gosh, he's like, do I know you or do I know you? I was like, yeah, you know me. He's like, I knew that would get you all round up. I was like, who what a good movie.

What a good movie. It made me feel like I wanted to be John Wick. I just wanted to go and, rah, go crazy, you know? Oh, my gosh. Just the gun, the gun scenes. Wow. I love it. I freaking love.

I love guns too. So there you go. But anyways, Jasmine, it's been great. I really appreciate coming on. But before we get out of here, remind people where they can find your podcast. Yes, yes. You guys can find me at sleep snatcherspod.com. You can find us on any streaming platform for podcasts.

You can also find us on Instagram, Sleep Snatchers podcast. And if you're, you know, reach out to me. Well, that's the end of part one, everybody. Unfortunately, I was not able to fit this entire file in one stream. I had to split it into two parts. That sucks. But head on over to part two. If you're interested and there's a whole other half of this show waiting for you.

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