The Confessionals - 349: MEGACAST | Part 2

Episode Date: June 22, 2021

(PART 2) In Episode 349: MEGACAST, we have a conversation with six separate podcasters! I realized that I had collected several interviews with other podcast hosts, and thought it would be a fun idea to release them all together in one mega episode. The result is FIVE AND A HALF HOURS of interviews to enjoy! The lineup for our Megacast features James from Seven Ages Audio Journal, Mike of From The Dark Podcast, Jasmine from the Sleep Snatchers Podcast, Scott from The Freaky Deaky Podcast, Bo from The BUMP Podcast, and last but not least Oscar from the Induced Fear Podcast!  SPONSORSGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: https://simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: https://hellofresh.com/confessionals14 Promo Code: "confessionals14" for 14 FREE MEALS!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: http://www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: https://bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] Community: Text "YUP" to 844-215-0819Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7h Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: merkificationFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkelSHOW INTRO Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3

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Ah, man, I'm doing good, doing good. So, listen, before we get into your paranormal experiences and things like that, let's talk about beard oils, because you are the voice behind the sense that we have on our beard oil. and beard balms and the waxes and all that stuff, man, right?

That is absolutely correct, yes. Listen, man, first of all, I want to say, again, for the millionth time to you and everybody else, those scents that you make are top-notch, okay? Every time, like, so when you make a new scent for me, you're like, hey, I made a new scent, I'll send you one so you can check it out, let me know what you think. I'm like, bro, you don't need to do that. You don't need to do that because I already know it's killer. You know what I mean?

Like, and then sometimes you be like, here's two cents to, to smell. Tell me which one you like more for like you did this for the hat man. And I smelled them. I was like, how am I supposed to choose? Like, you know, I think I let other people make those decisions for me because I'm like, I want it all. I want it all. So yeah, man, bravo to you. What's the name of your company?

It's anointed AK. And I appreciate that, man. I'm glad you like everything. Yeah, man. Anointed AK. And that company, bro, is something that everybody who has a beard should be checking out. So the website is anointed AK.com, right? Yes.

All right, man. So listen, friends, if you like the beard oils on my website, people tell me I'm really bad at promoting my. my store, but I do have a store on the website. You can get apparel and things like that and there. Also beard oils. If anybody who has bought the beard oils and enjoys them, I promise you, just go to anointedaK.com and check out all the sense because how many do you have there? You have to have like close to 100. It's insane. Yeah, available right now probably upwards of like 80, I think, but over the last couple years, I've probably made 200 or so.

Yeah, I mean, every time I look at your website, you got something different and stuff. And some of those sense that you, because you have a background in marketing, right? Like digital design and stuff? Yeah, I mean, it's mainly graphic design. And then everything I do marketing-wise is kind of just me playing around, like trying to see what works. You know, so I can make everything look really nice. And then it's just a matter of figuring out the marketing on top of that. Yeah, because some of the stuff that you make on that website as far as like visuals go.

I mean, I, like, wind up wanting like an Oreo cookie sometimes. Look at the stuff you're putting out. And it's like, now I'm freaking hungry. So, yeah, that happens. Yeah. Bravo to you, man. And before I forget, let's talk about your podcast because you have started a podcast recently as well.

Yeah. It's actually something I've wanted to do for, I don't know, the last three years. And every time I got close to starting one with someone, it just kind of like fizzled out before we even got going. And so, yeah, it's called the freaky deaky. And it's pretty much, you know, paranormal conspiracy, pretty much anything that's outside of the norm. But the entire premise behind it is my father-in-law and I used to go out in the garage and just talk. Like, he's kind of a skeptic, well, very much a skeptic and a believer in science and all that stuff.

And so it's kind of like just to have a good time, I try to convince him of all these weird things that I'm always hearing about. you know, like Dogman and Bigfoot and all this. And like, well, I heard this one story. And a lot of times I'd reference your show because a lot of the stories came from your show, you know. And I'm an avid listener, Tony, in case you were wondering. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. But.

And so it got to the point. Like, we had had so many discussions about this stuff, me trying to convince him of the, you know, otherworldly or paranormal or conspiracies, any of that. And him just constantly batting him down left and right that. I was like, you know, this should just be a podcast. And so we just kind of started. from there. But the beautiful thing about it is, you know, it's 2021 right now. And I feel like maybe you can relate a little bit. Like everyone kind of lives within their own personal bubble.

You know, like their own opinions and all of stuff. If anyone goes against their opinions or their beliefs and they just kind of like lash out, like, no, that's not right. You're lying. But so I thought it would be a good idea to have a podcast where we talk about the weird stuff and weird stories, phenomena, all that stuff. But you get all. You get all. perspectives from it instead of just me saying, oh, I 100% believe this thing. And it has to be true. Because that's not really how we grow society. It's not really how we learn or anything like that. And so I want to hear other opinions. I want to hear people say, well, it doesn't have to be paranormal. It could be this. And so that's kind of what my father-in-law Christian does is, you know,

a lot of times he'll sit there and talk about, oh, it's your brain or it's a natural phenomenon or it's this and that. And so we go back and forth without ripping each other's heads off. We just have a good time. all comedy podcast. So we don't take anything super seriously, but we talk about all the crazy topics that, and then our friend Heather is the third host, and she's kind of new to the genre of everything. So she's finding out all this crazy stuff we're talking about and just kind of giving her input as we go along. And so it's just a really, it's a nice place where you, I don't know, you just don't get, there's, there's no judgment, however you feel, however you land on the subject. If you don't believe it, if you do believe it,

it cool like all three of us feel entirely different things about the subjects we talk about but nevertheless you know we still maintain relationships and friendships and it's okay to this group people you don't have to you know people don't have to share your opinions just to I don't know be in your circle you know it's okay to think differently is essentially the theme of it but yeah um and every time I explain this podcast to people I explain it differently so that's unfortunate but overall. It's just it's a fun time. It's more a comedy podcast about weird stuff than it is us taking anything seriously. You know, so it's, uh, I'll tell you, man, I'm not a fan of people walking away being friends after disagreeing. Listen, I think if you don't agree with me, then you are

just a bad person and you should not be allowed to speak your mind. And so I'm definitely not a fan of this whole idea of your podcast. But see, that's why our relationship works, Tony, because I agree with that. You know, we believe in the same things. I know. It's driving me nuts because you keep agreeing with me and I keep trying to distance myself from you as a friend. You keep getting closer and it's like freaking A man.

Like, leave me alone. I don't like people who don't agree with me. You know, I just don't like it. No, but in all seriousness, man, that sounds like a fun podcast and people should definitely check it out. What's the name of it again? The Freaky Deaky. And it's Instagram and all that stuff.

It's at Freaky Deaky Pod. Okay. And it's on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, all that fun stuff. Oh, yeah, man. Pretty much anywhere. Anywhere and everywhere you can find podcasts there. Okay. Yeah, man.

Now, you're in Alaska, so I was kind of surprised they had Internet out there. So it's one of those things, man. Not just playing with you. Actually, I just got an email. Yeah, I just step outside of my igloo for a second to get this phone call. So it better be worth it, Tony. The audience will decide that. I just got an email from some people up in Alaska, and they're talking about starting,

I guess they're the first, like, real cryptid conference in Alaska. And they invited me to come up. And I think they gave me pretty much option to do anything, like host it, be a speaker, whatever. I just don't know if I can afford that trip. I interested, yes, but I'm just not sure if I can swing that. That's a long, long way from Philadelphia. Well, you know, man, you got a place to stay if you're anywhere near Wasilla, Anchorage, you know.

Yeah, well, you know, maybe that would be an option. We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. But I got your number, bro. If I land in Alaska, I have nowhere to stay. I'll be giving you a call. And you'd be like, bro, that's like 16 hours from me. Well, get down here.

Yeah, quite. the track. It's a big place. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. All right. We wasted 10 minutes people's time talking about nonsense. So let's get into the paranormal, man. I hear you've had paranormal experiences in several different locations. Feel free to start from the beginning and walks through these stuff, man. Yeah. Pretty much my entire life, man. I can't remember a time when I didn't see stuff. But the earliest thing I can actually remember seeing, if that makes sense, I don't know, I had to have been 12, 13, somewhere in that range. Our church youth group went to like some, you know, those big rage and Christian concerts

that I always have. I want to say the closing act was like newsboys or something like that if you remember them. Shine. They probably did shine as their closing song. Probably, man. I wish I could. I don't know anything about the concert. I just remember I came home from a concert.

And I was like, I was super nervous because I just had this weird feeling that I was going to see something. And so as soon as I plopped down on my bed, I actually remember praying. And I was like, I was like, God, if I'm going to see something, just make it quick because your boy is tired. And literally like 10 seconds later, I'm sitting there staring at my wall, just laying on my bed. And I see like a snake kind of slither up half of it. And this is one of the few times that I saw something that I saw something that I'm sitting there. I actually didn't get freaked out. Most of the time, it's not very masculine.

I react a very specific way. And it wasn't one of those times, luckily. I just watched it go halfway up the wall. And then it kind of lost its grip or whatever, I guess. And it just kind of fell back on the floor. And I just kind of laid there in bed and I was like, well, all right. And I just rolled over and went to bed because I knew that I was going to see something that night.

But ironically, like, I don't remember anything before that. I don't remember seeing anything before that. But I know that I must have, because I remember. remembered being nervous because I knew I was going to see something, if that makes sense. But yeah, I was just, I don't know, my entire childhood, man, I was terrified of my parents' house. And there's no particular reason for it. You know, like I had a great family, great parents. And the house that we moved into, or the house that we lived in, I should say, was brand new when we moved in.

And that's not to say nothing could happen there because it was, you know, freshly built. But still, it didn't make any, it was no, you know, cemetery. or crazy land that people shouldn't live on or anything like that. But I also found out pretty quickly that I was the only person that did see stuff because I would occasionally, you know, I'd ask my brother and my sister, I'd be like, hey, you guys ever, you know, see anything weird around here? And I was always met with the same thing. It was always, no.

I'm like, okay, I guess it just must be me then. That's fine. And so I don't know. I just always kind of felt weird. And part of the reason is, you know, not only seeing stuff constantly, but it was just like it had a weird layout for the hallway and I always felt super creeped out in the hallway. It's kind of one of those like L-shaped hallways where it kind of opens up six feet and then you turn right in the rest of the hallways right there. But at night, that hallway was super dark.

And as a kid who was terrified, just about everything under the sun, when I went down that hallway, I just felt creeped out. Like it felt like something was watching me and trying to scare me and all that fun stuff. And so, you know, you deal with that for about 10 or 15 years. And eventually you just kind of get sick of it. So where was this again? What state? Oh, this is California City, California. California City, California.

Is that like north, central, South California? No, it's the high desert, man. It is like 15 minutes from Mahavi, like Bakersfield, Edwards Air Force Base, all that stuff. What's the chances of actually, like, what's the chances of a real snake actually going, trying to crawl up your wall there. I mean, pretty high. It is the desert, but at the same time, like, we'd never had a snake in the house. So I just, and again, since I felt like I was going to see something, that's the only

reason I wasn't freaked out by it. I was like, oh, this must be it. But, yeah, it was the desert. So snakes were definitely nearby. I got you. I just wanted to ask because I wasn't sure. I knew you moved around a lot, and I knew the snake couldn't be up in Alaska. or maybe it could be snakes in Alaska.

Got it. I hope not, Tony. This place has got to have a few perks, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, no snakes, but probably plenty of other nasty creatures out there, that's for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

You could say that. But, yeah, so there's, I mean, there's a few noteworthy, you know, things that I saw throughout my childhood. And I remember this one time, actually, probably teenager or some sort. A lot of it happened in my teens. but I had to have been probably like 15, 16. And, you know, in those years I was learning guitar so I could impress the ladies as you do. And so it was one night my parents had gone to bed

and I was sitting there like writing probably sappy love songs that no one will ever read or hear. And like I had to go to the bathroom. So I kind of put my guitar down, put my pen and my pad down on the coffee table, went to the bathroom. And when I came back, there was a small black feather

underneath my pen. And again, like, and I had to explain this to Christian because I told him about it, but I was like, my parents aren't like practical jokesters or anything like that, you know, so they're not going to wake up

and like, oh, this will show him. And so there's really no explanation for how a black feather got underneath my pen, but I remember it freaking me out. Of course. And so I'm just kind of like, like sitting there in a silent living room holding this small. And again, it was super small. It's on like two inches by maybe a half inch wide or some, tiny black feather. But I was just

kind of holding it and wondering like, did I put this there? Is there some reason this thing got here? But eventually, I just decided I'm like, no, it's bedtime. And so I went to the kitchen to get, I heated up some leftovers because I was hungry from, you know, all the songwriting that happens. and but as I was sitting there at the microwave, heeding up these leftovers, I glanced in the reflection of it. And in the reflection of the microwave, I just see this gigantic, like, black figure

that took up the entire entryway to the kitchen. And it was a tall entryway. I mean, it's not massive, but I mean, probably eight, eight and a half feet high, you know, four feet wide or something like that, but the figure took up the entire entryway. And I remember as soon as I saw that, I looked away because I was not going to deal

with that in that moment. I was like, no, that wasn't a real thing. Everything's fine. I took my food out probably a few seconds early for obvious reasons. And I just, I remember turning around and just staring at a blank entryway to the kitchen and just saying allowed to a room full of nobody, please don't hurt me. I'm just going to take my food. I'm going to go to bed. This is all going to be behind us. Everything is fine. And as I was walking through the, like the entryway to the kitchen, or exiting the kitchen, I should say, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, didn't feel like air if if that makes any sense at all like it was thick like I was walking through something tangible it almost it almost felt like and I explained as like I like I was walking through

jello or something like that and I mean it sounds kind of fun but I know like I couldn't see anything nothing was physically there in front of my eyes but it felt heavy as I was walking through it and so as as soon as I got past that I just ran back to my room slam the door ate my food went to bed you know So like, I mean, so you're saying that it wasn't just like a heavy feeling. Like it was a physical. Like you could feel like that you were walking through something physically. Yeah, it was it was straight up physical. Like I felt it go all over my body.

Interesting. Okay. I was just, I was just thinking more of like the like a heavy feeling more than anything. Yeah. So you see this black feather underneath a pen. Then you go out to the kitchen because you got the munchy, she's from from writing music. Classic.

Yeah. It happens, Tony. I already got to believe me. It happens. I guess. I don't know. I don't write music. But you see that reflection in the microwave.

Could you tell the shape of it? I mean, was it like a giant, like almost like a figure of a man or was like a giant parrot or what? It wasn't, definitely wasn't a parrot. Yeah. It looked just like it pretty much like an over. oversized shadow person. Like it was definitely a shape of a man or a humanoid in nature. Okay. Okay. And was that like the first time you ever saw something like that in the house? Probably not. No, I mean, I saw a lot of, like something like that. Sure. Like I'd never seen anything

that big in the house for sure. But I was definitely used to seeing stuff in general. Okay. So this was like kind of like the environment of the house. To me. Yeah. Apparently just to me. Like nobody, nobody else ever. Like my brother, I think, maybe saw one or two things that I, you know, got out of him throughout the course of his life. But, yeah, I was the only one that saw stuff regularly. That's interesting. Do you think that there was anything, there's anything about you that you were getting these experiences? I mean, like, you could approach it as the idea of, you know, you were being targeted or maybe that you have, you know, the ability to, maybe you're more sensitive than other people. Yeah. I mean, I've always thought that I'm kind of

like an empath if that makes sense. Like I feel people's emotions and I can sense when, you know, kind of like the same thing you've talked about where you like know who's going to call before they call and all this crazy stuff. You know, like I've said it before somewhere probably a million times at this point. But I've like I have the probably the most ridiculous superpower of all time where I can kind of see the future, but in like really short, meaningless increments. Like I can see what's going to have. in like 30 seconds from now or 10 seconds from now or something like that. How often?

What's that? How often? I don't know, probably like at least a handful of times a year. Like it's just a feeling I'll get. And then like I gave this one example. I was back when I lived in Vegas, I was driving on the 215, I think. And it was pouring down rain. And going down the highway, I had to get off because I was, or it was my off ramp.

So I was like, all right. And as I was headed towards the off ramp, I had like a visual in my head and a thought along with that visual that said, what if you like fish tail when you're going up this on ramp or off ramp? And I was like, I've never done that before. So that'd be a first. And then literally 10 seconds later going up the off ramp and I started to fish tail like exactly how I had seen it. And then same with like I got held up in Vegas once.

And it was the same type of feeling. Like I didn't have a thought that was accompanied with that. But it was the same type of feeling where as soon as I saw. saw these three guys walking towards me. I knew exactly what was about to go down to the point where as soon as he pulled a gun, like, dude dropped it. And I grabbed him and threw him into the other two guys and, like, took off running. And so it's just like this kind of like six cents almost where like sometimes it's phone calls. Sometimes it's actually seeing physical events like in my head for a brief moment. And then it, but it's always accompanied as like a thought. Like what if this

happens or what if this happens? You know, like it's always, it's never like a definitive thing. Like, hey, watch out, this is definitely going to happen, if that makes any sense. No, it doesn't make sense. And I, you know, I should say it does make sense. I think it might have said it doesn't make sense. It's fine if it doesn't. My words got jumbled. No, but it does make sense. And yeah, I've mentioned that on the show before. Like, the most distinct time that that's happened to me, I remember it was when I was a child. And I literally, because I literally physically acted out in a way where I knew what this was going to happen. I remember I was sitting in the living room and my beat up, broken down trailer with me and my family.

My mom was in the kitchen and my dad was sitting in the living room with me. I literally got up. I went around the couch, walked over to the counter. This is when we had home phones, landlines, and I reached my hand out to pick up the phone. And just before my hand touched the phone, it rang once. And I picked it up. I answered, and I think it was like for my mom. I gave it to her.

I turned around and start walking back in the living room. and my dad just is like staring at him. I should talk to him about this on Hammer Lane Legends to see if he remembers this. He just is looking at me. He's like, did you know that was going to ring? I'm just like, uh-huh. I think that's the way I remember. I remember me saying, uh-huh, maybe I told him, no, I don't remember, but I should ask him

about that on the show and see if he remember that. But that was like the most distinct time because I remember when I was a kid, it would happen to me. And I'm like, oh, dang, I knew that was going to happen. And so I actually acted it out. But it doesn't happen to me a ton, but I know that feeling. I mean, it's what you described is ESP, I mean, which is, you know, a sixth sense that, you know, people talk about. I think it was first discussed in, I forget what university it was and stuff.

But I think it's a real phenomenon. I think it's a real phenomenon. And I think a lot of people have that ability. And, you know, do you think that it's something that, um, that, that you know, that you know, you could ever get to the point where it's more controllable or maybe, yeah, I guess controllable in the sense that you would get, how do I say this? So it's just like, I mean, shoot, fish tailing getting jumped. I mean, that's pretty serious. But like, you know, could, do you think that it's a possibility that, and not just saying you, but just in general, the idea,

do you think it's something that you can control where, you know, maybe you could just, I guess that's just called being psychic then? Like honing in on it type of thing To the point where I could on like command almost Yeah but I guess that's being more psychic than anything That's not really the ESP I mean if we called it anything else I'd be for it

But I just I'd never be able to be like I'm a psychic like no one would ever take me seriously No well if you were one of those fancy hats Maybe they'd believe you then Shoot you don't got to tell me twice man I'll do it There you go bro there you go So yeah man that's interesting That's interesting and that was

how old are you when you, you were in Vegas, so you were an adult at that point, right? Yeah, this was probably like, I was probably 22. I'm 30 now. So it had to have been like 2012, 2013. But yeah, I don't know. I've always, and just to touch on what you kind of mentioned before, like, I've always thought about it too. Like, is there any way for me to like make this better or like hone it a little bit to where it's more controllable or anything like that? as strange as it sounds,

but the only thing I've actually tried doing is being more, I guess, positive with the way I speak. Like if, I don't know if that sounds like it lines up at all. In my head, it does, but,

like, almost, like, you control the world around you with your words. You know, you have the power of life and death in your tongue or whatever you want to call it. But,

like, I feel like when I'm more positive and I believe that things are going to happen, that they actually happen. But if I'm, I'm negative and I believe bad things are going to happen, those happen. You know, so I don't know if that's just a perspective shift or whatever. Like, like, I mean, fair warning.

I'm probably the saltiest Christian that walks the earth. You know, I swear like a sailor and all this stuff. I'm super negative all the time. But like, I found when I do try to actually be positive that it does help and it helps. Like, I feel like I can make better things happen if I have a positive mindset. I don't know. I don't know if that ties in what we're talking about or if I went on like a crazy tangent there, but it made sense in my head.

No, it's almost like what people talk about with the law of attraction, right? I mean, a little bit, yeah. What you think and what you say can manifest? And, you know, it, like I said, I know I sound like a broken record on this show, but when I say things, I mean it. I mean, it really all depends on how you view the world around you as to how you're going to perceive certain philosophies and things like that. I mean, with what I just said, there are people out there that,

hear that and like yeah absolutely you can manifest your own destiny this that and the other and then there's other people out there that would say well yeah it's like you speaking it out god hearing you and blessing you like i mean there's just you know i mean there's so many different ways to go about it i mean i mean maybe if you're speaking out negativity and you're saying i want this person to die and that happens that's not god so yeah probably not that's probably not that's more like voodoo stuff but uh you're not voodoo right i don't think so i mean i hope not I don't know if there has to be any kind of like claim to it. If you are,

I just want to address that we are friends. We are friends. That is true. Yeah. All right, cool, man. So where do we go now? Let me think.

There's a few instances similar. Like when I got held up, I told you the guy dropped his gun. But the way he dropped it, it looked like someone pushed it out of his hand. You know what I'm like? And so I have these, a few stories that I feel are like almost divine intervention.

or like angelic intervention or something like that. Then that was one of them. But there was one time when I was at my parents' house, and it was the craziest thing that's ever happened as far as like the feeling that came over me when it was going on. Yeah, so I should preface this, and I really don't want this out in the world, but it's part of the story, so people have to know.

When I was a teenage boy, yeah there i had like this odd fascination with let's say Hillary duff all right let's just get it out there let's everyone okay everyone is aware the whole world knows now it's fine um I'm past it okay in case anyone's wondering but uh yeah so I had like several like Hillary duff posters on my wall just randomly and it started out as a joke at first like my guy friends would come over and be like, what's Hillary Duff doing on the wall? And then eventually it's me. So I'm like, well, now I have to add as many as I can. So I had like, I think at the most four, like one on each wall. And, and I thought it was hilarious, but I people probably thought it was weird. And I'm

okay with that. But there was this one night. I, um, I woke up in my Hillary Duff bedroom. And at the foot of my bed, there was a figure standing there and kind of like illuminated, I guess. and I'm trying to figure out the best way. I never described the appearance of this figure because it's super hard to detail. But it's like at first it was my pastor. But the shape or the face was constantly shifting into like other spiritual leaders for my life. Like it was my mom at one point. It was the pastor.

It was like just different people that had a spiritual influence on me. throughout my childhood and all that. And I just remember feeling like super peaceful. Like I wasn't creeped out. It was kind of like sat up and and like looked at this thing. And the being looked over to my wall and saw one of the Hillary Duff posters above my bed. And then looked back at me and was like, yeah, you know you got to take this down, right? And I was just kind of like, and I'm tired first of all.

So I kind of like look at it. I'm like, well, how do you expect me to do that? and this look of confusion fell over the what I'm just going to call it an angel I have no idea what it was but over the angel's face it just kind of looked at me like I'm an idiot for a second and it was like well how would you normally take them down and these are just little posters on the wall man like thumb tags all right that's how you take it down but and so I just look over at at the wall where the poster is and I rip the corners of it instead of pulling the thumb tags out weird flex I know but for whatever reason that's how I took the poster down.

And I remember holding on to it and looking at it for a second and then tossing it on the floor. And when I looked back up at the angel, she had like a smile on her face. And she just kind of like tapped my forehead. And then I went back to sleep. Like, and so as soon as I woke up the next morning, I was like, that was the strangest dream of my life. And I looked down the ground and there's the poster. I look up on the wall and there's the four corners of the poster. And I'm like, oh, okay, maybe that actually happened.

I have no idea what it was. but it was weird nonetheless and again i just felt like a like a super calm feeling like i was i've never been more at peace in my life is what i say because it just was it was kind of like i just you know most people you wake up you see something in your room you're going to be like whoa that's not supposed to be there hold on but but for me now it was just it was super peaceful you know that reminds me of uh man i don't remember what episode it was it was like within the first 20 i want to say episode 17 i think i had a guy named jason on the show. And I've heard this several times start the show, but this is the first time I heard it. That's why it sticks out in my head all the time. And he, he's actually in the intro. He's the one that says that he looks into the bush and there's a monster. Then he was looking at a monster at the end of the intro. But he talked about living in an old farmhouse as a kid growing up. And he woke up and saw, I don't want to say he woke up because I don't remember if he was sleeping or not. But he saw this entity or something and it was flashing images to him, recognizing.

images. And I distinctly remember him saying the one image it flashed to him was, was Fred Flintstone. And he talked about that. And it's so bizarre to me, especially as a new podcaster, as somebody who, you know, is just trying to understand how to hold these conversations with people. And, you know, I still, I was, you know, wet behind the ears. I heard that and I was like, I don't even know what to say to that. Like, I have no. I have no idea. And I know I've heard it since on the show because I remember talking to other people about this.

And I think we were in those conversations, we were talking about the idea of ET doing this, I think, if I remember correctly. And it's just an interesting thing. It makes you wonder what ET is. It makes you wonder what you saw, what that is. I mean, you said that you had this sense that it was like angelic. you know, why, I don't know. Like what, I mean, you've had time to think about it.

Why do you think that that instance happened to you? I mean, honestly, your guess is as good as mine, dude. It was, I hold on to it mainly because it was one of the few things that I actually saw that didn't terrify me. And, but yeah, I've thought about it too. I thought about like the significance of it just like almost like shape shifting into just spiritual leaders in my life. life up until that point, like if there's significance to that or what. But like I explain it. I don't know. I don't know how many people out there have seen the movie, but it was similar. Like I saw this movie later on in life. And I was like, oh, crap, that's kind of similar to how that one thing looked.

But it was, I want to say the movie is called like a scanner darkly, some cell shaded Keanu Reeves movie. But there's like these weird like skin suits and don't, I mean, spoilers, I guess. It came on like 2003. I mean, you said the name of the show or the movie, you said Keanu Reeves, and it sounds like a B-rate movie to me, so don't even worry about it. But like there's just, I don't remember what they were exactly, but it's pretty much like people wore these suits that were constantly shifting into different like faces and looks and stuff like that. And that's just the only way I could ever describe what I saw, because that's the only thing I've ever seen in my life. since that time that actually kind of connected to it in a way that was relatable. I'm like, oh, maybe that's what it was. But it definitely wasn't a cartoon that I saw.

So I don't really know. That's interesting, man. That's interesting. And the fact that you weren't scared. Did you ever relay that story to anybody after that happened? Or did you kind of hold on to that one? I think we had just come back from like Reading, California or something like that. And we were visiting people that were also, like, that took us to that, what, Bethel Church

and all that stuff. So we were like, I remember emailing one of our friends up there and kind of telling her about it the next morning. And her, I think her response was something along the lines of, that was an angel telling you to stop obsessing over Hillary Duff. So I haven't, dude, I have no idea.

Like, that's about as close as I could get, I guess, is don't obsess over Hillary Duff. Okay, there you go. Disney Channel, turn it off. And it worked. You mentioned Bethel Church.

Now, that church sounds really familiar to me. Why do I, like, I feel like if I know a church in California, it's probably because it's known for something not good. What is up with Bethel Church? Yeah, I think, I mean, the pastors are like Chris Valeton, Bill Johnson. I think his son's doing it now. I haven't really kept up too much on it. They're a pretty big church.

I think, you know, there's a, I think Bethel Music is what it's called. Like, there's a ton of worship albums and stuff that they release. So that's probably that's probably. I was just making sure you weren't part of a cold or something like that. I don't think so. No, I'm kind of, you know, we're flying solo on the church front right now. So still browsing. Team Jesus.

It's all you need. So, all right, man. So those are some of your experiences. Now that was California and you got jumped in Vegas. You had that angelic thing. I mean, it seems like a recurring situation here where you believe you had I guess angels looking out for you in one way or another. Yeah.

I think the only one that is still kind of, I don't know, it weirds match to this day. Like the, and I'll end the parents' house stuff on this one. Actually, no, I won't. There's a couple more. But there was one time I woke up and I remember like visually everything because my bed was in the middle of the room. We were painting my room. And so I remember sitting up in the middle of the room.

on my bed to my mom like you know kind of jack nickle nicholson face through the door type pose at 5 a.m. and she just kind of like looks over at me and she starts talking and i'm trying to like wake up and i'm wiping sleep from my eyes and and she's talking she looks really excited but i can't understand a single word that she's saying and um and so i like stop her i'm like wait what and then she starts talking again still smiling ear to ear like and enjoying whatever the heck it is she's telling me. And then she says it again. I can't hear a single word of it again or understand a single word of it.

And so I'm like, you know what? Okay, whatever. I was like, I'll just ask you when I wake up. I went back to sleep. And she kind of left my door slightly open. And so I woke up, you know, eight or eight 30 or something like that. And I went down to my mom's room and she was reading in bed. And I remember just walking up to her, man, like, okay, what were you trying to tell me this morning?

And she just kind of looked at me confused. and she's like, what are you talking about? I said, well, you like busted through my door this morning, super excited about something. I didn't understand a word you said. And she's like, no, I didn't go in your room this morning. And her thought behind it was it must have been her guardian angel got the wrong room. And, you know, I was like, first of all, how conceited are you?

You think your guardian angel looks just like you? Come on, mom. But yeah, it was the strangest thing. It was like a doppelganger, but there was no, like, sinister intent behind it. It actually looked pretty happy. So I have no idea what that was either, but it looked exactly like my mom. Interesting. Interesting. What happens in Vegas, man? I know you got mugged. Is there anything else that happened in Vegas? Oh, yeah. Actually, the weirdest one. And I kind of talked to you a little bit about it where I don't know, I can't differentiate

between hallucinations and reality, but there's a few stories I have that there is no explainable way for me to say that this was just my brain. And one of those stories was when I was living by myself, I had a one-bedroom apartment off sunset. And my, you know, my posse of gay best friends,

shout out Daniel and Marcus, went karaokeing every, I don't know, every weekend and they dragged their favorite straight guy with them. and one of these nights we're at, and I think the bar was called Eastring, and we're at Eastring, and there was this girl there,

and I'm the type of guy that never approaches women. Like, I just do not have that game. And, but for whatever reason, I got pep talked into doing it, and I walked up to her, and just kind of like, you know, I played it smooth. I'm going to be honest with you,

completely smooth, one or over somehow, and cut to the following weekend. She comes over to my place. And, I mean, let's just say we're reading scripture or something and she leaves. Right. But then she comes over four days after that.

And that's what the focus of this story is, is the four days between her visits, right? So she comes over and she leaves. The next day, I'm going to sleep. And I wake up and I look at the end of my hallway and there's just like a small shadow person standing at the end of the hallway staring at me. and so I jump up, I turn on the light and look, and there's nothing there. And so I'm like, okay, odd, I go back to sleep. Forget it ever happened. And then the following night, the second night, the same thing happens except I'll wake up

and there's a shadow person standing in my doorway. And as soon as I like see it, he kind of, I had some photography gear up, like some of those big umbrella lights. And as soon as I see it, he dashes behind those umbrella lights. I jump up, turn on the light, nothing there. I'm like, okay, weird. And then the following night, night number three, I wake up to a crash and it's my,

like I had one of those tall lamps next to my bed. And so I wake up to the sound of this thing crashing to the ground. And I remember yelling at my cat at the time because I thought, of course, her 3 a.m. shenanigans, she's knocked over my lamp. But as I'm yelling, I like turned trying to find my cat and she's like freaked out on the bed next to me laying down, looking as if she had just woken up too.

And so I just, I don't know, I'm like super freaked out by all this stuff. And I'm like, why does this keep happening like night after night after night? And then the fourth night, she comes over. And I think we made dinner or something like that. And we're on the couch watching a movie. And I remember it was it was crazy the way she said it to me because it's super nonchalant. But she just kind of rests her head on my shoulder. And she's just like, oh, by the way, I get followed around by a six-year-old demon boy named Zach.

and and I was like well I mean yeah like yeah what exactly and so she explains to me that her and her friends were playing around with a Ouija board I don't know like a couple years prior to this moment and she said that after that like something attached to her and she said that all of her friends can see it but she's never seen it once but it pretty much follows her around. And she said, she gave one example. She said one of her friends, I think, what was it? They were on like the second, second floor of a building house, presumably. And the girl looks out the window and there's like a shadow figure just standing outside the window of a second floor building, or second story building. And then so I'm like, well, that's an interesting development because for the last

few days here, I've been terrified and you've been scaring both me and my cat equally. And her reaction to when I kind of explained what had happened, her reaction to it was like almost jealousy. Like she was super upset that I got to see it. She didn't. And so that was, I mean, yeah, let's just say that was the last time I saw her. I was like, you know, this is fun and everything like that. You're super great. But yeah, I can't have that. I can't be around that forever. because I'm the one that sees stuff, I can't take you in my life. And, but it took me, I want to say like roughly a month to actually feel comfortable in that apartment again.

Like, you know, the blessing and the saging and the praying and all that stuff. It took a month for me to be okay with the lights off there, all kinds of stuff, just because it felt super creepy ever since she walked in. And so that's one of the few stories that I have that I actually have zero explanations for. Like there's no, or there's no way for me to say that it was just my head or I was hallucinating or, you know, dreaming or whatever you want to call it, Christian, if you're listening. But yeah, so there's no explanation for it. Like, what, I don't know, Tony, what would you call that? Is that a shadow beast, a demon, demon boy? I don't know. I call it, get out of my house.

Like, yeah. Yeah. As soon as I hear, I hear that, I'm like, get out. Get out now. Like, it's been real, but it hasn't been real good. Get out. You know, so it's time to. roll, baby. Yeah, no, I would have done the same thing. I would have kicked her out and said, you're done. See you later. Enjoy your life. And, you know, if you're that, if you, if you want to see the kid that much, then I wish you luck in your endeavors, but you're not going to do it with me. That's for sure. Yeah. And so, and I remember, like, I let it go after that point because I didn't want to think about it. Didn't want to talk about it or nothing. But a few years down the road, I remember just kind of looking up, like Ouija board stories.

And I remember searching specifically for Zach, the Ouija board demon. You know, because I guess, I don't know. I have no idea why. But apparently, like, people are linking that with like Zozo or Zaza, Mama, whatever. The random, you know, the main Ouija board demon is that people talk to allegedly. And further than that, like, people were saying that there's like reference to a Zazzo. or something like that. And I remember that striking me curiously because I'm like, isn't that, I mean,

not only from the TV show Supernatural, but also like the book of Enoch, if I'm not mistaken, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I forgot I had to answer that. Yeah.

No, you're absolutely right. In fact, continue your story. I'm going to grab my book and start looking for it. Yeah. So I just, I don't know. It was a weird thing. I mean, do I think that the one of the. one of the oldest demons of all time was hanging out in my one story or one bedroom apartment in Las Vegas.

Not necessarily, but I think it's interesting that there is, that people are making connections to that demon in particular just through, like, use of a Ouija board and stuff like that. So I don't know. Like, again, I don't know anything, man. Like, every time I think I understand something, my mind is blown like the following week because someone presents something else that there's a possibility. and it's hard to keep up at some point, you know? Yeah. So I got the list of these fallen angels in, in, what's this book called? Enoch.

Sorry. I'm sorry, man. I'm spacing here. I'm spacing. And I'm not going to go reading through it all and stuff. But if you want chapter 8, it says And Azazel taught. men to make swords and knives and shields and breastplates and make known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them and bracelets and ornaments and the use of anatomy

and the beautifying of eyelids and all kinds of costly stones and all coloring don't know what that word is but uh the fact is Azizel is the reason why women look so beautiful. That's true. So shout out of Azel, but also, how dare you? The art of the eyelids. Yeah, he's got a YouTube channel somewhere. I'm sure you can find it.

I'm sure. Oh, man. Yeah, but no, that's a very interesting point. And when you said that name, I was like, yeah, you're absolutely right. I've heard that before. So there's that, man. There's that. Yeah.

Yeah. So, and again, I don't, like, wholeheartedly believe that. Azazel was hanging out in my apartment, Bachelor style. But, I mean, is it a possibility? Sure, because literally everything else is. So I have to throw it out there. I mean, listen, if you had a Zazel hanging out in your apartment, I think you'd have some pretty gnarly stories, you know? Like, he wasn't a nice dude, you know? Yeah, he back doing my makeup and stuff. Thanks, man. I appreciate that. Looking fly. Yeah. I mean, it, dude, I'm telling you.

man like he's mentioned a lot in this book and uh i wouldn't i wouldn't want to i mean any of the characters bro like i'll pass you know i i heard a story years ago about um a guy who uh he he was put in a mental institution because they thought he was crazy but he was talking about how he was hearing these these conversations of these uh i forget i forget how he said i think he called it and i think he said that they called themselves the fallen ones and uh they were talking in like these like different language and stuff back and forth. And they were referencing like the, uh, the arc, uh, Noah's Ark. And they were talking about things that happened in the pre-Diluvian era.

And I, I, I really wish I could have had this guy in the show. Uh, it just wasn't possible. And, uh, but I don't think he was crazy. And he didn't think he was crazy either. But I don't think he was crazy because he was saying things that, because he was, he was like, you know, relaying this story. And he's, like, and he's, like, like, you know, you ever hear such a thing? And the person who was telling me the story, it was like, yeah, I heard of that before. It's like the guy had no idea what he was talking about, but he was spitting game that people are like, there's only one way that you could possibly know what you're talking about if, you know, if you never studied this stuff. And it's,

because whatever it is has been there. And his part of his story was, like he was being like, not stocked. I don't want to say, I guess haunted. But at one point, like, he was literally picked up by his neck and slammed against the wall. And, like, you know, theoretically nothing was there. But something did it to him. So interesting stuff, though. Yeah, I'm convincing him that. Yeah, exactly.

He's got the scars to prove it. Yeah. I don't know, man. There's a lot of stuff out there. Like, anytime that people hear stuff that is historically accurate or lines up with something that they had no idea existed, I instantly, I'm like, how can you not believe in the paranormal? How can you not believe in the crazy stuff that happens when there's stories like this floating around out there, you know? Yeah.

And, you know, I just, like recently my dad was talking about writing a book and I don't want to talk about what the topics are going to be and stuff if I even do it. I told him, I said, I'm not a writer man. And he's like, you should do it. But what I'm about to say isn't anything to do with the book. But I, well, the concept. that things kind of blur together and and they they cross over and I I just don't think it's as easy as I believe this so this is true or this is true so I have to believe this. I think it's a I think that there's a lot more complexity to these things and and I'm not going to go too deep on it because I'm going to save it for the book buy my book when's it being released I don't know about 10, 15 years. Well, hey, while you're on the topic, why don't you tell us a little, no.

Yeah, just go ahead and dive into those chapters real quick, Tony. No one's listening. It's fine. Yeah, I have, I have no idea how to write a book. But my dad's like, tell me, he was talking about it this past Sunday, and he's like, you should really write a book about this. And I'm like, I don't know. So it sounds like a lot of work.

It is. But if you do it piece by piece over time, I think, I don't know. I'm on board with your dad. I'm game. Do it. It's probably not going to happen. It'll happen. This is why I talk and not right. It's easier to talk.

True. So talk to me about Alaska, man. Let's jump into Alaska. What has happened in Alaska? Yeah, both of these are kind of, the Alaska stories are relatively short. And both of them are when I'm like next to my wife who's sleeping. When we lived in Eagle River, we've recently moved up to Osloah, got a house. And so we're about 30 minutes away from that old house.

house, but in the old house, we were, yeah, yeah, I remember, okay, I woke up to the voice saying, or to hearing a voice say, is that them? And so I always face the wall when I fall asleep because, you know, when you see enough stuff in your life, you're like, ha ha, I can't see you if I'm facing the wall. And so I woke up facing the wall and I hear something say, is that them? And that piques my curiosity, obviously. I kind of like do like a half roll. and like turn around and look. And there's this, you know, cloaked kind of shadow person

standing next to our bed. And as I'm staring at it, and, you know, spoiler alert, I didn't jump up and fight the thing that was kind of moving in on my wife. I know I should have. Sorry, World, but when you see something like that in the flesh,

you kind of freeze up a bit. But it starts kind of like leaning closer to my wife, like with its finger extended, like it's going to, like, touch her on the head. And as soon as it gets close, close to her head and its fingers like right next to her forehead, he just kind of dissipates and he disappears. And now is the end of it. But I tell people he disappeared and the, like it's hard for me to explain. It wasn't just like a fade out or something like that. It looked like if you were to take a match

to a piece of paper and you watch the flame kind of eat away that piece of paper, that's how it disappeared, like almost like it burned out of existence or something like that, slowly and silently. but so yeah that was one one event in eagle river and then out here recently probably just a handful of weeks ago i woke up and um and i was just kind of like wiping sleep from my eyes again and i'm like looking at my wife and she's asleep facing me but directly behind her shoulder um to the right is another face and it's just kind of looking at me and it's a creepy looking face and it's not a nice looking face and I remember thinking back on the instance that I had in Eagle River and I was like I didn't do anything when that happened so what

I should do is I should punch this thing in the face and but I also remember thinking well you can't punch it if you swing you're probably going to hit your wife square in the face and she's not going to appreciate that no one's going to believe that it was an accident all kinds of fun stuff and so I remember like having this weird debate with myself in my head as I'm staring at this creepy looking face behind my wife and I I guess I landed on the option of like slowly moving my backhand towards her face like I was just going to see if I could touch it and so I just kind of like slowly move the back of my hand towards this evil creature looking face thing and I remember swatting it with my my fingers backhanded style weird choice I know but I just didn't want to punch my wife in the face and as soon as

As soon as I flicked my fingers, wouldn't you know it? I ended up flicking my wife in the face. And so she wakes up and I'm like, oh, my goodness, I'm so sorry. That was, I was like, I saw something and I was trying to get rid of it. But apparently I just hit you instead. And as soon as I made contact with her, like the thing kind of like morphed into her. Like it morphed back into her. Like the face moved into her.

I don't know how to explain it. It sounds weird when you try to. Are you saying like there, you were looking. at a face separate from your body and then it moved, it's, this face moved into your wife? Yeah, like the two of them merged together. Is your what, like, does that not freak you out, bro? I mean, you know, it is what it is. But, yeah, I don't know, because, because I don't know how to explain it.

Like, what if that was just a hallucination? What if that one was just weird, you know? And maybe that's me taking the easy way out and be like, oh, that one wasn't real, right? but but yeah at at the same time did you tell your wife about this did you tell her exactly what you just told me yeah what she said and like like like my wife woke me up and then she told me a face a creepy face merged into my body i'd be like wait is like am i possessed like what's going on like sorry baby you're demon you got to end this i can't do it no um well she doesn't usually like me telling her the stuff that I see because she gets freaked out easily. But I felt obligated

to tell her the two that I saw with her. I'm like, I have to. What am I a monster? And so I told her both those. And she was oddly unfazed by them. Like she, of course, wasn't like, oh, yippee, you know, but she was, you know, she didn't react the way I would assume that she would react to hearing that there was weird demons hanging around her trying to poke her in the face or whatever. So, you know, kudos to her. She's a strong lady. So shout out to China, not the country, my wife. Much better than the country. So. Agreed. Oh, man. Scott, man, that's interesting. That's really interesting. And I wouldn't want to be in your shoes because I think I'd be freaked out to go to sleep every night knowing that that happened to me, to me my wife. And that just happened not too long ago.

Yeah, a few weeks. Can I, can I share one more? Like I told you off the air that I have cat stories. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So this is the most, this is the one cat story and it evolves my brother in Vegas when we live together. There was, have you ever heard of the documentary, The Nightmare? No.

You should check it out. It's not only my childhood, but also it's just about like sleep paralysis and these people telling their stories of stuff that they saw when they were growing up and all this. So when I watched that, it literally scared crap out of me. Like, it's really well done. But I sent it to my entire family as just, hey, you guys should probably check this out so you know what my childhood was like. And I watched it with my brother and our Vegas apartment. And I remember him being freaked out by it.

And afterwards, we went to bed. I went to my room with my cat. And he went to his room. And, you know, I'm watching TV in my room. And about, you know, 15, 20, maybe 30 minutes later, my cat is, who is laying on my bed just kind of stands up, jumps off the bed, and then like kind of looks below the door, like where the crevice is, and just starts growling. And I'm looking at her like, hey, Jayce, definitely not the time. Let's not do that. Everything's fine.

And, but she wouldn't, she wouldn't be budged. Like, she literally just sat there growling out the door for like a solid minute and a half and then just stopped. jumped back up on the bed. I'm like, huh, weird. And so, like, five minutes later, my brother comes and, like, or there's a knock of the door, I should say. Spoiler alert, it was my brother. But I opened that door and he's like, hey, do you mind if I, like, hang out and hear

with you for a couple minutes? I'm like, yeah, do you? Is everything okay? And he proceeds to tell me that he saw my cat in his room, like, four times the size that she actually is, but that she, you know, and I'll keep this clean. The story itself is relatively strange and bizarre, but for the sake of the story, let me just say she jumped up on his chest and he was having sleep paralysis and he couldn't move, obviously. And my cat was trying to seduce him. Holy crap. Yeah. So obviously, he's panicky, right, as anyone would be, I hope. And so he's just

like explaining this to me. I'm like, wait, you know, walk it through one more time for me. I'm not 100% understanding this. He's like, yeah, your cat was trying to, you know, I'm like, okay, odd. And it got to a point like where eventually she just left. But it was during that same period where my cat was literally growling at my door that he was experiencing this. And so I'll say a hundred million times, cats are crazy protectors. And that's why I love cats so much. dogs all day long. Bro. That's a weird story.

That's crazy. That's crazy. Like, I mean, I've heard of incubus, succubus, and all that. I've never heard of any of them coming to somebody in the middle of the night in the form of a cat. That's weird, bro. That's weird. Weird that they thought it would work, too. Like, oh, this will get them.

What's that say about my brother? And they know something you don't know, bro. Oh, man. Oh, on that note, Scott. Tell me, tell the audience again where they can get your podcast. Yeah, it's The Freaky Deaky. You can find it, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, pretty much anywhere. Podcasts are social medias are at Freaky DeakyDiki Pod, the Freaky Deke Deke

podcast on Facebook. And we just launched a website, thefreakydeke.com. Again, if you're easily triggered by, you know, swearing or people, having different opinions than you, probably not the show for you. But at the end of the day, we're just having a good time and we enjoy the stories that we read. And it's a good way to, you know, talk a lot, which we all love to do. So. And also the beard company, bro, listen, listen. I want you to tell people, give them something, man. What do you got working right now in the, in the lab? Because I know you got some concoctions going, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. I have a ton that's

actually launching next week. So I don't know, I don't know in the airspace when this is releasing, but if you're hearing this, odds are it had just released. So yeah, swing on by. You know, catch something up. And actually, I should say that I've been getting a lot of requests for not only restocks of the confessional oils that are out of stock at the moment. The issue with that is suppliers, like the whole COVID thing. It's hard for me to find certain supplies. And then when I do find them, they take forever to get to Alaska. Wouldn't you believe it? But not only am I going to be restocking a few, I think, Yeti and, what's the other one?

Dogman. I'm going to restock those, but I'm also, I want to work on a couple new ones. And we kind of talked about it a couple weeks ago. But, but yeah, so stuff's in the works. And there will definitely be a couple new cents coming out just for the confessional series and all that fun stuff. But, you know, Tony, you're obviously going to be the first one to get them. I have to send them to you.

You can tell me not to, but I have to do it. It's a OCD type of thing. No, you keep them coming, man, because freeze for me. I like getting the beard oils in the mail. Yeah, during the Christmas time, we came out with crampus. Is that a seasonal thing? It is. Yeah.

I do have some labels left over, though. So I might at some point, I do on the Instagram, I do like throwbacks every once in a while. And so throughout the year, I'll just pick old oils that are kind of out of stock. and I'll just kind of reintroduce him back. Hey, you get it for 10 bucks right here for like the 24 hours of Thursday only. So I might do that with Crampus or I might just honestly bring it back full time for whatever's left as far as labels go, like the oils. Probably not do the bombs and the wax melts again because I'm pretty sure I ran out of those. But the oils might be back for sure.

Yeah, man. Listen, my favorite scent you made so far was the UFO scent. That was my favorite by far. And like, yeah, I'm right there with you. When I, when I smelled the Sasquatch, I was like, oh, it's amazing, right? And then I smelled the dog man. I was like, that's my favorite. And every single one you come out with, bro, like, it's like, oh, that's my favorite.

But seriously, UFO, that's my favorite. Like that, it just smells so smooth, bro. I love it. Anyways, listen, I appreciate coming on the show, talking about some of your stories. and everybody should definitely go check out the freaky dicky podcast and leave them a five-star rating review on iTunes. Give them some love. Please do. Please that, especially.

Can I mention just the one star we got? I want to call us dude out. Look, okay, someone said that we have a far left political agenda. And that's just the furthest thing from the truth. So I have no idea where that came from or why, but I don't think they listen to our podcast. Bro, that's why you got to stop reading the reviews like that, man. Like people put stuff up there and they don't, like, there's no way you can delete it. There's no way you can report it.

There's none of that, you know? And so people who just hate you, they can put that up there and there's nothing you can do about it. So why would you subject yourself to the mental anguish of knowing that somebody said something crazy about you that's not true and there's nothing you can do about it? about it. Like don't, don't, like, don't even, like, don't waste your time with it. Like, just when you get emails from people that love on you, love on them back, when you get comments from people that love on you, love on them back. But don't subject yourself to the randomness of the iTunes one-star reviews.

Probably, that's some, probably the best advice who ever heard. So, yeah, I will try to take to that. But I'm also a glutton for punishment. So we'll find out, you know. Yeah, that's why you call yourself a pretty neatie podcast. You're a bunch of freaks over there. all right man thanks for coming on appreciate it time all right today we got bow on the show how you doing beau doing good tony how you doing buddy man i'm doing good so bo you are the host of the bump podcast man tell us about it well um the bump podcast bump stands for the believers of the unexplained monsters and paranormal um it was the name of my little ghost hunting group i have when i was in the air force And I just, you know, I like the name.

So I brought it over with me when I started to do this podcast. I got started due to the, the whole COVID shutdown thing. I'm a teacher and I was working from home. I love podcasts. I listened to your show for years. I've listened to Wes's show. And I just thought I'd take a swing at it myself because I had an extra downtime. And it's kind of just grown a little, you know, as times went on.

That's awesome, man. Yeah. A lot of people started podcasting during the, the COVID shutdown, at least the first one. I remember during that shutdown, I was building the studio. And, you know, with building the studio, I upgraded the microphone. Well, I had this microphone I'm using now, but I wanted to get a matching one in here so that when I have my dad or guest in here, it's the same microphone. And so I go to the audio store and I'm like, hey, I'm looking for a sure SM7B. And they said, we don't got any. What do you mean you don't got any? They're like, we're fresh out. Why?

because everybody's starting podcast. I was like, well, I'm actually a podcaster. I need the microphone. Like, I told him, I said, you know, you understand in a year from now, those people are going to touch their microphones maybe twice, and they're going to wind up selling them for half the price on Facebook marketplace, and I'm going to make out like a bandit. I'm going to buy them all up.

And just hold on to them for the next shutdown, and I'll pedal them out to people who are trying to start podcasts again. So, but yeah, I mean, it's something that a lot of people started doing with the whole podcasting thing. And I think podcasting went from 700, yeah, there was about 700,000 podcasts worldwide before the shutdown. And about a month later, there's 800,000. So that means about 100,000 people started podcasting. And, you know, it makes sense, though. I mean, there's a lot of people who listen to podcasts and they all of a sudden have all this

newfound time and they listen to podcasts. And they're like, well, you know what, let me get, let me give this a shot and see how it works out. And it's, it's actually encouraging for me because I like seeing the industry grow. Obviously, I mean, the more the industry grows means more people are listening to podcasts, which means more people can come and find my podcast. So it's a win, win, win. So. There's room for everybody.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's what? Seven billion people on the earth? Like, you know, there's plenty of people to share. So, but, uh, so you have. paranormal experiences you went through anything from a haunted house you grew up in to seeing UFO, possible Sasquatch. You mentioned you're a paranormal investigator. We're going to start off chronological though, as in your childhood the house you grew up in. And go ahead and feel

free to share some stories that you guys went through in that house. But let's just start off with the craziest thing you're going to say on the show today. Talking cat, bro. What are we talking about with the talking cat? All right, man. Yeah, the talking cat. This is the one that I was holding off until I got on your show, Tony. This one's just for you because I don't know. I don't think I could have talked about it on Sasquatch Chronicles or anything like that. Haunted House.

Okay. I grew up in the 80s and we were pretty much poor as dirt. So we were allowed to live in this house that belonged to a family friend. It was about 100 years old already at the time. It was a big two-story stone house. And, you know, story goes, several people had died in the home. It was an old house. We would have things go on, just like the rocking chair, start rocking on its own.

Or I would lay down to go to bed at night, and my tape player would start playing. You know, I'd get up to turn it off. And before I could touch it, it would stop playing. And it would do me like that two or three times back and forth. You know, every time I lay down, it would start, get back up, it would stop. you know, just things that wouldn't hurt anybody, but you definitely know that you're not alone, that kind of stuff. But time goes on around 91, 92, we're moving out of the house.

You know, we've got a place to go to, mom remarries, all that kind of good stuff. And we're leaving. We're packing up everything. And I've had this cat for years. The whole time we had this cat, he would jump up on this old, buffet that we had in front of the window. And he would look at the window and, you know, cats make weird noises. You know, he kind of would moan or whatever.

And he would, it would sound like he was saying, oh, no, you know, but like a cat, just sort of long drawn out. Oh, no kind of noise. Odd, but, you know, whatever is a weird cat. Well, I would go to my dad's house for the weekend. while I'm gone, and my mom was home alone. And she said the cat would walk through the house. And it says saying, oh, no, she thought, this is so weird, but it's not like the cat was saying, where's bow?

So, yeah, maybe it's a cat making weird noises. Oh, no. And where's bow? Kind of similar. Okay. But mom swore that that happened every time I would go away. well, we're getting closer time for us to move out. And I'm trying to make sure the cat with me.

And I found the cat outside. I pick him up and I'll bring him in the house. And Tony, I promise you, man. I brought the cat inside the house and the cat straight up just said, put me down. There's nobody else around me. It was just put me down. So I dropped the cat and I, you know, took off running, went up to my mom. And she's like, oh, it's okay.

You know, my mom's open to everything under the sun. You know, she's like, whatever, no big deal. And, you know, it was the only time he said anything that different than that oh sound, you know. But we go to move. And this is just a big lazy cat, just like any other tabby. but we can go to the move and I pick the cat up. We're all outside. We're getting into the car.

And he flips out. Like, I'm talking like scratching, clawing, flipping out of my hands. I was 11-year-old boy. You know, I grab a hold of his legs, try to hold him. And he's just like doing flips. Like, he don't care if I hurt him. He's getting away from me all of a sudden. And he wouldn't leave that house.

You know, he wouldn't leave the property. And for about two years, years, you know, we would pass the house that he would still be sitting outside that house. Nobody else moved in and he would just refuse to leave. So I don't know if something attached to that cat or something was speaking through it. I know as crazy as that sounds, we went straight into weird, but I don't know, man. That's my talking cat. I was about 11 years old at the time when we moved out.

So were you on drugs at 11? No, I'm just kidding. You know, you would, it would be believable. But no, man. That's a good boy. I was a good kid. That's good. It's just a wild cat.

I don't understand. We found him as a stray. But that stuff started happening when he was, you know, we had him for two or three years in the house. So he was a house cat the entire time you had him. And then you go to move and he basically runs away and doesn't want anything to do with you. Yeah. He would not leave that property. And you found him on the property?

No. I found him actually in a state park. He had been dropped off. That's weird, man. That's weird. I've heard, I've seen, like, those videos of dogs that, like, are crying, and it sounds like they're saying, I love some, you know, I love whatever. And so when you're tough, did you actually see its mouth move?

He, it sounds dumb, too, but he always looked away. He would look out the wind. window and just repeat, oh no. And it sounded like perfect English. It didn't sound like, you know, a dog warbling or whatever. It was just, oh, no, oh no. And when I was carrying him and he said, put me down, I don't know. I wasn't looking at his mouth. I was looking at the back of his hand. You know, I was just running. Freaked me out. Well, yeah, it would freak me out too. That's not supposed to happen. No, it's not.

I think the only the talking cat I've ever seen was Sabrina the witch or whatever that showed back in the day, you know, with her cat that talked. That's really interesting. Now, is this the property that you had that was the haunted house? Yeah, it was all on that same

property, the house that we were, you know, they let us live in for a while. I never heard any voices inside the home. And like I said, it was just real innocent. kind of activity, you know, the rocking chairs, the tape players, had some recurring dreams of somebody, you know, some white figures staring through the doors and stuff.

But, you know, half of that you can just chalk up to imagination. But yeah, the talking cat was definitely the first and only time I've had that happened in my 40 years, man. Hopefully it's the last man. Did your mom hear it too? Like she heard this cat talking. Yeah, she did because she told you that it was asking for you. Yeah. Yeah. You'd say every time I'd leave, it would say, where's bow?

I don't know. I know it takes all credibility away from anything else I have to say, man. Well, that's why we started off right there to tear it down and now we're going to rebuild the house. Yeah, check out this guy's podcast. He's crazy. He's an idiot. You're going to hear crazy stories over there. Yeah. No, but it's interesting, man. And I don't know. I don't know. It's really weird. And, you know, do you say that the cat was possessed by something? I don't know. I don't know. It's very weird, though. So what else happened in that house? In that house, there wasn't much. Like I said, my mom was real open to anything that went on anyway. So when the rock chair would start rocking on its own, she would just talk to whoever had died in the house before. There was an old lady by the name of Tech, which is T-E-K. Um, she had, she had lived there in the home, you know, back in the early 1900s or whatever. And mom just assumed it was her.

So she would just start talking to her, you know, hey, tech, you want a cup of coffee? And mom would go on through the kitchen. She never really freaked out about this kind of stuff, you know. She, uh, she had a couple of Ouija board experiences when she was a kid that, I guess, made anything less than that, not too bad. So your mom messed with Ouija board when she was a kid? A couple of times. She got away from it after she saw somebody or she was with somebody when they saw somebody sitting on the kitchen counter that wasn't supposed to be there.

Yeah. She dropped the Ouija board and took a hop, you know. Yeah, I would do the same. I would do the same. Not really interested in seeing people sitting on the counter that aren't supposed to be there. No, I stay away from Ouija board. Yeah. Yeah, me too. So you move from that house. What happens next in your life? I mean, are you moving to another haunted house or is that kind of the end of the haunted house scenario for you? As far as haunted houses go, that was about it. It seems like in our area, just about anywhere you go in southern West Virginia, somebody's got a ghost story.

So weird stuff happens no matter where you are or who you're around. I had a couple little things. happened down the line before I joined the military that, you know, kind of stood out. When we moved to our new location, it was still on Logan County, we had a, I'd go hunting with my stepfather. And we had a, we were, we went to squirrel hunting and we had a weird screen that we heard in the woods that at the time, I had no clue what it was, but. after talking to people about Bigfoot and, you know, listening to hundreds and hundreds of shows about Bigfoot,

I tend to think that that's what that was. I talked about it on West's show, I believe, where, you know, we're going into the woods. We get right to the wood lot and you hear something to scream. Sounds like a grown man screaming to the top of these lungs, about three or four times in a row. but in between each screen there's just really weird

like it was in pain it was just and then and then it would scream like that again and gave me and my stepbed chills here we were both carrying shotguns into the woods we stopped dead in our tracks he asked me if I'm ready to leave

I agree we walk out of the woods um little things like that you know, it's just I've had weird stuff happen on, you know, anywhere I went, Tony, to be honestly, it's hard to break it all down. And like I said, I sent you a list and I got this list. But the more I talk, the more things I think about, you know. Yeah, and feel free to share whatever.

Now, you at one time had a paranormal investigative group. And was that something that was spawned because of your experiences as a kid? Or were you just always fascinated by the paranormal decided to start investigating? Well, I've always been into all things weird, you know. It wasn't so much like something triggered this and made me want to join a group or make a group. It was a lot of just fascination with, you know, what is on the other side. You know, what is the other side? what's the difference between spirits and your soul or whatever.

And so me and a few buddies that I worked with when I was stationed in Louisiana, we decided we would go out and just scare ourselves to death, going to cemeteries, you know, on a location. I had the, you know, the electronic recorders and the night vision camera and everything. I was trying to actually document things. and not a lot happened, you know, um, mostly things that could just be explained away.

We've been the only thing that went on. But it was definitely fun. We, uh, we have one instance in a cemetery that I went to. I actually had family that lived in Texas. They came over to visit and I decided I was going to take my cousins out and scare them to death. Um,

so we went to the cemetery. And we had to, everything's set up. We're walking out there. And I'm talking, if anything, wants to show itself, you know, you know,

the usual spiel that you would get from ghost hunters or whatever. And through the camera, I see this little light kind of twinkle on and off over top of this grave. So me and my youngest cousin,

you know, I take her over there with me. And when we get there, it was actually the headstone of a girl, that had died at the age of 13. And my little cousin was 13. So that freaked her out.

Could have been a coincidence. Might not have been, but it made for a really good night of them staying up crying all the long. So that was a good time. Yeah. I mean, what do you think about that?

I mean, as far as the light goes, do you think that was some kind of spirit, like an orb or something? Personally, yeah. I'm really open to things, you know. and I don't think there's any kind of coincidences on this planet.

So I think that maybe it was just a little nod of something, maybe just a hello, you know. I don't put a whole lot of stock into Orbs typically, but it wasn't like it floated around like a dust particle. It was like a little light flicker, you know. So that was something cool. Yeah, you know, Orb's is an interesting topic because I've seen Orbs. a lot of people have seen orbs you know they've seen different lights and things like that and

for me it's something that i i know there's a lot of people that are really fascinated by the topic of orbs uh it doesn't really it really doesn't uh scare me like apparently it scares some people uh and maybe it's just because it's to me it's just like well you know it's a light it's what what am i supposed to do about it you know uh right I don't know what it is, but, you know, people see these, see these, these lights and everything. And I'm assuming it didn't scare you terribly or else you wouldn't have gone over to the grave. Oh, no, no, it didn't scare me or anything like that. And on the topic of these orbs, to think kind of like a bigger scale, I think there's a lot of confusion for some people between orbs and UFOs.

You know, people will see these lights in the sky and they think, oh, that's a UFO. and I've been watching a lot of documentaries lately where people seem like they can conjure UFOs to show up for them by channeling whatever they want to, you know, they put their intent into or whatever else. I'm of the camp where I'm starting to think that they're not communicating with extraterrestrial life. You know, they're getting to see lights.

They're getting to see something in the sky. But I don't think it's eating. team. You know, I'm, people have seen these fairy lights and stuff like that forever. But whatever these orbs are, it's some kind of energy that's manifested.

And when people talk about getting in a group and applying their intent to talk to, you know, an alien or whatever, it sounds a lot like conjuring something to me. I think that they might be messing some kind of magic that they don't know. know, even or orienting to do.

Yeah. But there's a lot of levels to it. I mean, and it all stems from personal belief as to what you think, think certain things are. Because, I mean, some people believe that aliens are spiritual entities. And so if they are, then that kind of would fall in line with what you're talking about. And that's where I talk about how it's like the categories of our conversation sometimes merge. And you start seeing. hearing similar things. Like somebody will say something and they're talking about Bigfoot,

but then you heard them talk about, somebody else talk about a very similar characteristic. And they were talking about an alien or they were talking about a ghost. And it's interesting. And it all stems from people's, you know, their belief system and what they actually believe things to be as to how they view it. There's people that, there's people that will, you know, they say they can summon UFOs or whatever. whatever. And there's a guy, let me just rewind and say this way. There's a guy I had on the show. I can't remember what episode it was called, but I think I called the, I think they called the episode UFOs over New York City or something like that. And it was a while ago. His name is

Jason. And he practices summoning UFOs. And he says he's very successful doing it. He shot me a video one time of he's out in a street in New York City and he goes up to a random person. And he says, And he points at a single cloud in the sky. And he shows the cloud on video. And he says to that person, I'm going to make that cloud disappear. And they're like, what? And he's like, just watch. And within 30 seconds, you literally see this cloud just dissipate into nothing.

And it was very interesting. But he practices not just summoning UFOs, but making things happen with telekinesis. and so I don't know. It's really interesting, though, the idea of summoning UFOs or summoning spirits. Are they the same thing? I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah, I think we are stronger than what we realize. You know, our intent, our will, I think if we apply it, we'll be amazed at what we can do. and that kind of taps into that I tell people all the time that reality is subjective you know what I believe you don't have to believe but that doesn't make it

untrue you know what I mean hey be careful that kind of talk it'll get you canceled these days anyway yeah I guess yeah okay I'm not going to go down that road but yeah man well tell me about this UFO that you saw. I mean, was that like something that was just a light in the sky, or do you think it was

something more very physical? I believe it was pretty physical. All I saw was the light, but I'd be more than happy to talk about this because it took everything that I believed and made me know beyond a shadow of a doubt that, you know, something is out there. it was the last day of my enlistment. I was leaving the Air Force. I was coming back home. My dad had came down to Louisiana to help me pack up and move. So we're heading back home.

We're outside of Louisiana between that and the Arkansas border. There was a little town for the Arkadelphia. And I remember that because after this event, I started looking around for a marker. There was a water tower there to my left. within a couple miles that. So I know where I was at. And I know it was around 1 o'clock in the morning.

I even got the date. So I've looked up things, tried to just find anybody else who's had a new, you know, a reporting or a siding at that same time in the area. I haven't seen anything. But anyway, me and dad are in his car. We're coming down I-20. It's a super straight road. and out of the passenger window, I spot a white light.

And it's pretty far off, but there's no mountains. I never break view of it. And it's moving at a good pace. So it's going the same direction we're going, you know, is running parallel to us. But it's going fast enough to where it gets in front of us. You can see it through the windshield. And once it gets into the windshield,

my dad, who was driving at the time, he sees it to. and, you know, we're just talking what do you think that is, I don't know, and this light continues to move forward until where it is dead center in front of us in the windshield. So it's over top of I-20, I imagine, but a good pace away. And this light, Tony, it just explodes out. just fills the whole sky, fills the whole windshield with this bright green light. A funky green.

I don't really know any other shade of green. I haven't seen it before. It's just a brilliant green light. And then as fast as it flashed out, that light sucked back in to that dot. And it was just gone. It's completely vanished. That's interesting.

I don't think I've ever heard something like that happening before. So if I'm hearing you correctly, it was a white light at first? Yes. Just a solid white light. So a solid white light hovering over I-D-80 right in front of you. And then all of a sudden, it explodes a green light out. It's like just like this burst out into a big bright flash of light. You know, there wasn't like sparks spawn-off kind of explosion.

It was just a, it just popped green, you know, and it just. flashed out like the flash of a camera, but you see the light was sucked back in and it's gone. Like it went into another dimension or it hit, you know, like on spaceball they've gone plaid, you know?

It was like that. It just kind of filled the sky and then sucked in and gone. Jeez. And the thing is that's what I, in the Air Force, I worked on Jets. I was a sheet metal guy, you know,

structural maintenance. So I was around a lot of jets. I've seen a lot of afterburners. I've seen, you know, the trail that, you know, jets leave or whatever. I've never seen anything like that. I don't know if anything we have that can do that. I had a secret security clearance. I was around a lot of jets, but I've never seen anything like that before in my life.

And, you know, neither had my dad. My dad was in the Air Force. he actually worked for the NSA for a while and a free timout when he saw it. It was a good time, man. It took away any kind of doubt or hesitation I had and talked about aliens. Yeah, well, it's really interesting.

I mean, I'm trying to picture it in my head what you saw, and what I keep picturing is amazing. So, you know, how does it? It's like one of those things where how does that even possible? How does that work? What happened? what was it? You know,

was it ours? Is this some kind of secret technology that you got to witness there? Because if you look back at history, you know that, you know, especially back in like the 80s, I think it was, there was a lot of people experiencing UFOs. And it literally, by definition, UFO, an unidentified flying object. And the military, people within the government basically caught wind. that, you know, these people are seeing this stuff, but it wasn't extraterrestrial. It was secret military operations. They were working on new technologies and stuff. And so there's,

like, what's his name? Richard Dowdy. He is a guy who was a disinformation specialist, and he would be sent into these people's lives. And he basically tell them what you're seeing is real. It's alien. It's from another world. And we need you to, you know, keep a wraps on it, or, you know, could you send us the footage of it as you get it so we can, you know, understand it more and basically feed this lie to them that it was actually, you know, aliens and stuff when it wasn't. It was just the military working on things that they couldn't have leaked out to Russia or China. So instead of having that as a possibility, they fed this idea that it was aliens so that people

would get caught up in this conspiratorial mindset. And also from the outside looking in, people who aren't into the topic, which back then, hardly anybody was, would just think that they're crazy. You know, oh, yeah, the government's coming and talking to you about aliens. Sure, right, pal. That makes a lot of sense, you know? And so it's one of those things where maybe it's some kind of technology that we have that you got to experience.

And now that you have talked about it publicly, you know, they're going to come pay you a visit and tell you as aliens. That'd be all right. That'd be all right. Yeah, I've heard, I haven't heard anybody with the exact same experience, but I've heard people talk about that green light. I've even heard that there is a certain

squadron out there that would use the code behind the green door. Hanning that, you know, this green light is actually, it actually is a, like a window to the next dimension or another dimension. I don't know if it was your show, but there was

a guy that had an episode. It's always my show. Always my show. I think it was, Tony. I think it was, it's called Green Light UFO or... The Green Light Alien? Maybe. It was episode 231 of whoever show.

I didn't write down who show it was. Okay. But episode 231 of somebody's show, there's a guy from Oklahoma, and he was talking about this green light and a UFO. So that stuck out to me. There's something about that color. I don't know if it's just, it does something with, you know, our spectrum, what we can see. But I think there's a, I wasn't alone in seeing that weird, that weird light.

The episode that I'm thinking of is called the Green Light Alien episode 158 that I did, which, you know, interestingly enough is similar to what you were describing. This guy came on the show and I think his name was John. And if I remember correctly, he actually saw an entity walking outside, like in the grass or something. And it was like this green light being emitted on it. Like he could see this green light. And so, yeah, it's interesting. Very interesting.

That's weird, man. So what do you think is the – all right, so let me rewind here. you mentioned about your military experience and having the secret security clearance. Why did you have secret security clearance? What were you doing that you had to have a secret security clearance? And you have to tell me. You can't BS me. Okay.

The actual purpose of me having a secret security clearance is because I worked on a B-52. They're the number one bomber in the history of the world. and there's still some secrets about the jet, I guess, that they didn't want anything getting out. And I worked on a nuclear base, you know. Where I worked at, we had nukes on base. So if you're going to be out there and you're going to be on the flight line working around these jets, then you're going to have to go through a check, you know. They can't take any chances.

So it wasn't anything super mysterious. It was just national security reasons. You know, it wasn't like I wasn't privy to, you know, the good stuff. Well, I find it interesting. Have you ever been, like, in the presence of a nuclear bomb? Like, how close have you ever gotten to something like that? Yeah. Yeah.

One time. Two times. Two times. Once I actually got called out to do a job on the housing of a nuke. what they would load the nuke into. We got caught out to do a job, just changed out and nutplayed on it. And we had to go through these different checks,

you know, your lawn badge, your ID, you have guns on you. They verify it's you. You go down to the next block. They go through it again, and then you're escorted down to where you're going to do the job.

You know, and if that's not making you nervous enough, when I get in there, the warheads in the room. So they kind of just let me know that's it. And I get in there and I open my toolbox and get into the job. And I found out that it wasn't actually a job for me. It was a job for the next door shop.

And they called the wrong people in and let me get that close. Oh, man. So I had to turn around. We had to leave. But there was one other time and it was a – It was on the news. It was a major, major event where there was a nuclear flat. They had, they probably tried to cover it up.

I don't know if you can find it on Google now or not, but there's two B-52 bases in the U.S. It's Minot, North Dakota, and Barsdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. And I was, I was at Barksdale. we had an incident about 12, 15 years ago, I guess, where we were doing an exercise and they flew from Minot down to Barksdale bringing us a jet and they had it armed with a nuke. And it wasn't supposed to. And that's actually like a declaration of war. you can't fly over with an armed nuke, but they did it.

And the jet come down to me. We had a certain hanger that we would bring jets into. And they brought the jet to me and they told me to change the tail stripe on the jet. You know, we converted that jet immediately from a Minot jet to a barksdale jet. I don't know if that was part of some kind of cover up. I don't know if it was, you know, us just adopting the jet. they just told me to go in there and paint it and I did. So that was the second time.

If, you know, the UFO story don't get a knock on my door, then that probably will. Well, we've had people that get knocks on their door after they've been on the show. That's for sure. That's all right. Yeah. Well, yeah, I'll say, I'll say this. This episode is going to release. It has to be a member's only episode because of the content coverage.

has to be more of a private kind of thing. But episode 122 with Charlie, the secret military knocking technology, after that episode aired, now he's in a different country. Like after his experiences, he didn't feel safe being around here and he moved to a different country. And he got a visit by our government after that episode aired. Yeah. And they were, they questioned him hard, man. They questioned him hard.

But thanks a lot though yeah you're welcome you know it is what it is you take listen remember that non-disclosure agreement that you signed yeah right right but uh yeah i mean so he he and i did an interview oh man it's almost a year ago now i've been holding on to it and uh he we talked about this and his experience after the show and what had happened and you know a lot of crazy stuff a lot of crazy stuff happened after that episode aired. That episode went viral. I mean, it just, I mean, it went everywhere. And, yeah, that's probably why I don't think the government's particularly listening to my show, but I think it went viral and it went, they found it. They're like, oh, what's this? You know? Like, you know, some guy's daughter's listening to it on their school bus. She comes home and tells daddy who's in the FBI or something,

you know? So it kind of works as a chain of command there. But yeah, man. It's interesting. Your dad worked for the NSA. What did he do with him? Yeah, he did Intel. And actually, I got him to talk about that on episode seven, six or seven of my show. Me and Dad sat down, had a few beers around the fire pit out back. And he told some good stories, man.

He had, back then they had like a teletype machine. you know, things come out on print. And he got the message that there was a UFO downed and where it was at and all this kind of stuff. And he got to take that report to his higher ups. And, you know, they do the Hollywood crumple it up. You've never seen this. Jeez. You tell a word we know where it's coming from, that kind of thing.

So, yeah, he shared a couple of those kind of stories, you know. and trying to break into a room that was labeled Project Blue Book. I guess you've heard of that. Your dad tried breaking into a room that was labeled Project Blue Book? According to him. According to him, that's what he said. He told me where he worked at and that there was a, it was a few doors down from his office. And he stayed late and tried to, he went into the sub-flooring of the building and tried to crawl into the room.

and it's wild man it's it's a good story what was he successful Tony though they might have to turn into my show and listen to see if he was successful I'm trying to you know work people up the Bump podcast episode seven right yeah it's six or seven yeah I think it's one of the earlier episodes but it's it's definitely one of my favorites man my dad comes on the show all the time and pitches in he's wild That's crazy, man. That's crazy. One more question about that stuff. Your dad getting, you know, the message of a down UFO. What year was this? It was mid-70s. He was in the Air Force from like 74 to 79, somewhere through there, you know, about a six-year window there. So it was during those years. I didn't ask specifically, which you know, which year it was that he was in that happened.

Wow, that's really interesting. And the message that he got was it didn't come from civilian. Who did come from? No, it wasn't civilian. It was... So it was higher-ups. Yeah, it's higher-up. That's interesting.

That's interesting. Well, I'm going to have to check that out too, myself, six or seven. Episode six or seven, The Bump Podcast, people, the Bump podcast. Check it out. That's right. That's interesting. That's very interesting. I love that kind of stuff.

It gets my gears turning and stuff. Yeah, me kidding. And, you know, that room's not supposed to exist. And your dad's saying, oh, it was there. See, that's the thing. He was stationed in Maryland. And I told him, I said, Dad, you know, because I'm always afraid he's yanking my chain, you know. I'm like, I know what years you were in.

Project Blue Book was supposed to be shut down. before, you know, the time frame that you were up there. And he was like, yeah, I know. He said, that's why I was trying to get into the damn place. So I don't know. I mean, I'll tell you about his word. Yeah, I mean, it's your dad. And that's a very common thing that people, you know, talk about is the fact that

when these certain programs get exposed publicly and stuff, a lot of times say, oh, that's been shut down or we're, okay, we'll shut it down. But just because they say they shut something down doesn't mean they shut it down. They just rebrand things. You know, so they'll give it a new name, you know, a new paint job and put it back out there. And it's the same old machine, man. That's why I tell people about the MK Ultra stuff. I mean, you know, yeah, the government admitted.

Like, we have our president apologizing for it. It doesn't mean they stopped, though. It doesn't mean they stopped, you know? It just means they got caught so they had to rebrand it and find a new house for it. That's it, you know? Exactly. Exactly. Especially if something's being fruitful for them.

So, I mean, if they're doing something that's fruitful for their mission at hand, doesn't, your knowledge of it doesn't sway them from pursuing it. They just, you know, they make a you turn and they go a different direction with it. Exactly. Because, I mean, just because they announce it, we're not doing anything to even try to stop it. What we're going to do, go on Facebook and, you know, We're going to raid the capital, man. We're going to raid the capital.

I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Okay? That's not to be serious. I might have to edit that out. You never know these days. All right, man.

So let's get to this experience you had or maybe multiple experiences. I know you said you've experienced like small miracles. What are we talking about here? I mean, are they just, I mean, I don't know. It's almost like when you say the phrase small miracle, I'm like, well, I'll take a small miracle over any, over no miracle. So it doesn't seem very small to me if you experience a miracle. Yeah. It's it's kind of like unspoken prayers coming true kind of thing or spoken prayer coming through.

Just things that you feel like God hooked you up. You know what I mean? Like those kind of miracles. when I was younger, there was three real quick, real quick. And they might seem like not even worth mentioning kind of stuff. But like I was trying to make it in life before I joined the military after high school. You know, I had a couple of years where I was just trying to get out there and make it in the real world. And absolutely poor, trying to work.

I didn't have enough gas to make it to work. work. Like my gas hand was in the red, deep in the E, and I'm sitting there and I pray while I was, you know, stuck in traffic. I prayed to God to just let me have enough gas to get to the station, you know, the gas station. And Tony, I watched the gas hand come up, you know, and I had enough to sit through a couple of red lights and get to the gas station. This is something small like that. I call that a little miracle. There's one that completely inexplicable. Again, I was in Louisiana.

I was having an argument with my ex over finances. You know, we were both in the military, trying to make ends meet, like shouting match in the vehicle. Driving down the road, it was on Barksdale Boulevard. If anybody lives around there, around Shreveport, they know where I'm talking about. going down the road

and a it sounds weird man but a ball of money manifested in front of my windshield and smacked my car I pull off the road and I'm literally picking up fives and tens and twenties

off the side of the street it wasn't a huge amount of money you know it was like 70 or 80 bucks altogether I guess that I picked up because other cars pulled off too. You see dollar bills

floating through the sky. So as soon as it hit, I'm like, what in the hell? You know? But it's just like something like that. And it was enough to get me by until payday.

It's just a small miracle. There was a time where I say I had a possible angel encounter where I was between West Virginia and Tennessee, and it was back in the 90s, so you're trying to read a road map,

and I got lost, and I pulled off the road, and I had a big 89 Ford Taurus back then, a big ugly maroon car, and I pulled out a map, and I laid it down on my lap, and I'm trying to read it. And this car,

with his older man, pulls up to me with his window down, and immediately asked me if I was lost. he couldn't see the map. I had only been there for a couple of minutes. He just pulled into the parking lot of this gas station. And he asked me if I was lost. And I said, yes.

And he asked me where I was trying to get to. And I told him. And he told me to follow him. And now, I had just gotten dedicated to church. You know, I had my Bible sitting in the back window in my car. He was trying to walk in good Christian life. and he told me he looked at the car when he pulled up he said that book that you have in the back window needs to be up front with you and i you know i nod at my head and you know reached back and grab the grab the bible put it up front and he he told me to follow him so we go through this little you know little two lane road and it kind of expands to where there's an off ramp and he gets into that right lane when it expanded and i slowed down and rolled my window down to thank him.

And he just, you know, he nodded at me. And I, I yelled across to him. We were only going like 35, 40 miles an hour. I said,

how did you know I was lost? And he pointed up. He said, I listened to him. And then he pulled off the off ramp and I'm on the road to the house. Could it have been just a really nice stranger that had some intuition? Yeah, maybe.

But it's just the way things went and the way. the way it makes you feel when something happens, you know what I mean? You get that otherworldly kind of feeling wash over you. I consider that kind of like a maybe a visit, you know? Yeah, and I've had similar experiences like that as well where, you know, somebody just interjects in a situation that, you know, it's almost impossible for them to understand what was going on

and kind of come through and really just help you out big time. Yeah, man. like, you know, my life was and my wife. And I think there's two or three other girls. Our lives were spared because somebody showed up just randomly and seemed to understand the situation that we were in. And it's crazy, man. It's crazy.

But yeah, you know, you mentioned about the, the wad of money hitting the windshield and everybody started pulling over. You know what? that that made me think of the Batman movie with Jack Nicholson when he's throwing money out to the people and stuff. Like I almost wanted to play the song that they were dancing to it. Well, the troker was nowhere in sight. Good, good, good. And it all depends on which droker you're getting easy to throw money out to the people or he's stacking it up and burning it.

Right. But yeah, Bo, man. Listen, it's been a pleasure talking to you and having some of these stories. And you kind of threw me a curveball with your secret security clearance. My ears perked up on that. I was like, oh, I got to dig on this and see how far I can get to talk. I was like, I don't know if he's going to talk, but we got to see what we can do here. I'll tell you what, man.

I appreciate coming on the show. And, you know, people that are listening should definitely check out the Bump podcast. And, you know, go through the episodes and look for certain ones that you like. Definitely check out the episode with, you know, Bo's dad talking about the, uh, his experiences of stuff because that's, that sounds real intriguing.

And, uh, I'm going to be definitely checking that out, man. Hey, thanks, Tony. I appreciate it.

Yeah, I got something for everybody on that show. We got Bigfoot, uh, UFOs, alien abductions that they, the, people watch Netflix,

uh, the reboot of Unsolved Mysteries. I got, uh, Tom Reed, Melanie Kurtzorfer and Tom, uh, Tom Warner.

I got all of them on the show talking about their abduction experiences and stuff like that. I've had a lot of good shows, a lot of good guests. So I hope everybody comes to checks it out. And I appreciate you for letting me have this platform to share my show. All right. Today we got Oscar on the show. Oscar, how you doing, man? I am doing good.

How about yourself, Tony? Oh, man, I'm doing good. Thanks for hanging in there with me. My son came down and interrupted the beginning. And I had to go take care of him and put him back to bed. So, you know, kid stuff. It's that kid stuff, man. So, Oscar, you emailed the show and you have this shadow, the shadow man that it's like

an evolving story for you where it kind of starts off in your childhood and then kind of follows you periodically throughout your life getting worse and worse as time goes on. So traditionally, the way we do it on the show is we start from the earliest and work our way through it so that the audience and myself can hear the progression of things. and maybe help us to kind of understand what you're feeling with all this stuff. So I know you mentioned there was a pretty dramatic thing that happened to you as a kid and stuff that might have launched this off. So feel free to take it off from wherever you want to start, man.

Yeah. So when I was about seven, my dad had passed away in a car accident. And that was a really, like, hard time, especially because it was just me and my brother were my mom. So I kind of had to step up and, you know, be the man of the house type of thing, quote unquote. But then I got to a point where I was just begging kind of like, just let me, let me see my dad one more time.

And then at one point, because I was begging to God. And then at one point I just said, anything. anything there if I can just see my dad one more time. I would love it. Then I started to see, like by the following year, I started to see a shadow person like kind of in the distance, like as far end of a room. And I was putting that in my head as in,

all right. The God or something is letting me see my dad again. And I just kind of accepted it at that point. But then I started seeing the shadow creature get closer and closer. And then it turned into a sleep paralysis thing. And I would hear something walking towards my bed. And as soon as I would open my eyes, there was a shadow standing over me. And then I would completely freeze.

Couldn't move. I didn't yell. I was trying to yell for my mom. They didn't do any of that. Even my brother was, we shared a room at the time. And he was knocked out asleep. And I was trying to get his attention. And the first time when that happened, it really freaked me out.

I woke up, kind of gasping for air. I just sat at the edge of the bed and turned on the TV with just static on it. Just so I had a light on in the room. and I didn't tell anybody about it at that time. And then it just would happen every couple of months. The shadow would come back. I wouldn't be able to move. And then when I hit about 13 is when things kind of changed

and it would come by every year. But it was now like saying something. but I couldn't really make out what it was saying to me. It was just a really quick whisper. And I tried to figure out what this shadow being was saying, but I could never make it out. And that's when it got scarier. I could now feel the room get heavy.

And also this static noise. I don't know if it's like the sound of static or just the sound of silence. It starts to become overwhelming and then the room feels heavy. And then that's how I know that this shadow being is going to be in the room and I'm going to slip into sleep paralysis again. And I ended up being so scared, I think around like 13 and 14. I was just like, mom, can I go and sleep with you? and as a, you know, a 13 or 14 year old, you don't want to be sleeping in your mom's room because you're afraid of the dark.

Yeah. So I tried toughing it out. I would even go so far as to leave a recorder on in my room to see if I can actually hear something. and I left a recorder in my room as I slept and I even put paper along the floor between mine and my brother's bed and you can't hear any talking, you can't hear me struggling,

but you can hear what sounds like somebody walking on the papers in the room which is extremely creepy. and then I started to kind of make myself believe this wasn't anything like paranormal. So I started studying sleep paralysis and what causes it and how to prevent it from happening. So I learned that stress causes sleep paralysis. And so I tried to reduce my stress levels. Sleeping on your back causes it.

So I started sleeping on my side, which sucks because I was always more comfortable laying on my back. And then that seemed to work for the time being. But then every so often, it was just a. this random event that would happen, I would wake up in the middle of a night to a heavy feeling and hearing that sound of silence. And I could hear this thing walking over me. And it wasn't your normal shadow man. It wasn't the hat man, the guy with the trench coat and the hat. It was kind of this lanky shadow creature that was about as tall as the room.

and it would kind of hold me down. It wouldn't just be that I was frozen. I was being held down while I couldn't breathe, talk, anything. But I would always feel that pressure on my shoulders of it holding me down. And then for a while we went from California. to Arizona, then back to California. Most of the incidents happened only in California, which was weird. I think I only had one sleep paralysis episode in Arizona,

and I was there for a couple of years. But then back in California, I'm out of high school at this time, and sleep paralysis comes back and it's now just getting a lot weirder I can now almost make out a face of what this thing looks like and it just kind of looks like a

goblin I don't even know how to describe it and that's what starts to scare me is now I feel like as the years go on, it went from just a shadow in the corner to getting closer and closer to the bed to actually hearing it, hearing it speak, hearing what steps, and now being able to almost make out this thing's face.

And I remember being home one day, and this was during the day, I wasn't asleep or anything. And I thought to myself, I wonder if me begging for anything to, like, give me a glimpse of my dad, kind of just called in something negative. And I can't believe it took me that long to kind of piece those things together. But then I did something else stupid.

I started looking up demonic names and things like that. And saying these names and asking these names and asking these names and asking. is this one you, is this you? Are you the one messing with me? And when I asked one name, I don't remember what it was. I probably wouldn't even want to say it if I remembered it. But I asked a name, and then I started to hear music in another room,

which was weird because I was home alone. Oddly enough, I decided to stay home from church and start saying, monic names alone in the house. Very smart. And I hear this music. Go check that room. There's nobody in there. The music stopped as soon as I opened the door. I walked past a mirror and I looked at myself and

another weird thing happened. I said, you handle it well for no reason. I told myself in the mirror you handle it well. And I went back downstairs and I had been recording audio at that time and I was listening back. And after I said that name, you can hear a growl. And that's when the music started and I walked past the mirror and talked to myself. And that's when I, it all looked in my head, okay, this is something evil. No, bueno.

know. And I got better at, you know, praying regularly and building a better relationship with God, and it started to slow everything down, which was awesome. And then comes a time a couple of years later where I met a girl online. moved to New York with her, hated it there. So we decided to come out here to Colorado. And by that time, I had fallen off a spiritual path again. And it's a stressful time.

We're moving into this whole new area. And I remember her falling asleep in the bed in one of the other rooms and I'm on the couch just kind of watching TV and then I see her get up. I hear the door open. I see her walk through the hall and then just turn around and walk back into the room. And I got up really quick to check if she was okay. And I wasn't even like a second behind her and I opened the door following her back into the room. room and she's knocked out asleep in the bed.

And I just kind of brushed it off like, okay, she was sleepwalking and just went to bed really fast. And then I decided to go and sit back down on the couch. I'm starting to fall asleep, lay on the couch. And I'm looking at my phone and I start hearing footsteps, kind of stomping towards me. And I thought that's her walking down and coming towards me. So I put my phone down really quick. And there it is this lanky, tall shadow heading straight towards me. And as soon as I lay eyes on it, I'm frozen and I can't move.

And I'm trying to yell for my girlfriend, her name is Katie. I'm trying to yell for Katie. and I can't try to move. I can't. I tried doing the little tips they give you when you're in sleep paralysis. Like try to wiggle a finger, try to wiggle a toe. None of that was working. And my heart's pounding, and I decide to just kind of, you know, say a prayer thing.

Please help me, God. Like, this is something different I've never experienced. It's never taking the shape of somebody before. It was weird. Now it's a doppelganger, which is having me more confused and what's going on. And then I just remember just napping out of it and just breathing really hard, trying to catch my breath and taking a big drink of water, trying to calm myself down. asking like what the heck is this thing? Why did it come back?

And I haven't had very much sleep paralysis lately. I can kind of feel when it's coming on and out, I'll just say a prayer to myself and stop it from happening. Once I start hearing the sound of nothing, I say a prayer and it stopped it before it happens now. and I think doing that and just strengthening my faith even more being here has really helped. But every once in a while there are weird things will happen. We have a cat.

So randomly you'll hear one of his toys roll across the ground and he's nowhere near the toy. Yeah, that's pretty much worth that now when it comes to this shadow creature. Do you think that this, whatever this is, is done now? Or like, you weren't sure why it showed up again. And do you feel like this is going to be something that happens again? Or did you ever come to any conclusion as to why it showed up now? No, I thought it was the fact that maybe that maybe I was just stressed out again about a whole new area, being in a whole new place, not near any family or anything like that. I thought that's what brought it on on.

And then I also thought it was because maybe I've gotten more into the paranormal, so I'm listening to podcasts and things like that. And maybe it just made me overactive imagination type of thing. But I'm not really sure why it came back and why little things tend to happen every now and then. That's interesting. And you were looking at the, looking for names. demons and stuff and then rattling off names, right? Yeah. Do you think that, and you think that kind of, you know, intensified things?

Yeah, I'm not sure because, like, as soon as I said the name, that's when things got real weird. And, yeah, I don't even, I don't even try to, like, do that again to see if things will happen if I said the name again. But yeah, I just started with, once I said that. name, a growl. Really intense growl happened and it was only caught in the audio. I wish I had it. And then music played and I talked to myself in the mirror and just super weird. Man, so the last time you had an encounter with it, it got intensified and it sounded like it was the most threatening it's ever been towards you. I mean, have you put thought into this moving forward as

far as, you know, it seems like it's been involving over time and where this might lead. Yeah, I thought because this time was the last time it happened, it was like stomping towards me and really almost like it was running at me. Um, and I think I just, I thought, okay, if I just put, you know, full force into my faith and trusting in God and doing, you know, some type of scripture reading by myself and really strengthening that relationship. Maybe it'll help me fend off whatever this thing is. So one more question about this.

You told me in an email that you haven't told your girlfriend about this. Is that still the case? No, I recently Actually, just before we started recording, I started telling her about it Waited to the last minute to come clean, huh? Yeah, because she's scared of everything. She is scared of everything. So she kept asking me, what are you going to talk about?

And I was like, I don't want to tell you because then you'll be scared. And she got bugging and bugging. And I was like, all right, I'm going to tell you. but you're going to be you're going to be scared and it it has kind of quote unquote has something to do with you and I told her and she stopped me right after I said it that it looked like her and she didn't want to hear anymore so she's she's just like I choose ignorance yeah yeah she doesn't want she doesn't want anything to do with it. Yeah, well, I guess, you know, I guess that makes sense.

Hopefully it doesn't happen again. I mean, if it happens again like that, would you tell her? Probably not. But she already gets scared when I'm driving around for work, she'll text me saying that she heard a noise and she's scared. So I wouldn't want her to freak out even more. Yeah, I understand that. So you also have these UFO experiences as you've been through, and I'm interested to hear about them. Okay. I'll go with the kind of lighter ones at first.

All of my UFO experiences happened in Arizona, which is apparently a big hot spot for them. this was me in high school and I'm standing outside with my mom and we're kind of just looking out at the stars because you can see the stars really good in Arizona and we end up seeing this really bright light kind of shoot across the sky and then stop and then just shoot back and it seemed like it got brighter as it shot back the other way. And it was just a weird, like a meteor would just be going one way. I don't think a meteor or whatever or Shooting Star would be shooting across one way

and then stop and then shoot back the other way. I'm no expert in that, but I don't think that's how they work. another time was me and a few friends driving in a car and we start seeing a bright light in the sky and it's kind of bouncing all around and we're trying to figure out what it was because it would bounce all around

then shut off the light and then pop up in a different spot in the sky and then bounce around again and this was a time before drones were like a really big thing. And we decide to kind of follow this light. And we're driving in the middle of nowhere, really. And we're driving down this dirt road following this light.

And we end up not being able to see the main road anymore or any lights. It's just nothing but dark in the desert. And it started to kind of freak us out. So now we throw in a poll. Okay, who wants to keep going forward, following this light, and who wants to stop and turn around? Everybody votes to stop and turn around because it felt like this light was leading us in the middle of nowhere in the desert. And we didn't know what was going to happen. Now, I don't know if it was extraterrestrial, but I know it was unidentified and it was flying.

In the sky. And then this one happened. I want to say in 2014, I believe. I was in California, but I had went to go visit friends in Arizona, me and my brother were driving back home. And again, it's in the middle of nowhere, this kind of empty desert between Arizona and California. and I start seeing a light again bouncing around,

just bouncing around in the sky. And at that point, I'm a little bit older, so I'm like, it's just a helicopter. But the way it's moving isn't what a helicopter does. It's just tipping around. And I try to wake up my brother. He's not waking up, which is funny because he had to, he had to be awake to keep me awake type of thing.

And he was just knocked out. And I'm trying to shake him. He's kind of grunting, telling me to leave him alone. And as I'm trying to wake him up, and I'm just to get some confirmation that this is just a helicopter, right? Nothing else. I see the light swoop down from the sky and head straight towards my car to the car. the point where I had to swerve really hard. Luckily, there wasn't a car next to me in the lane because the lanes are set up where

you have two lanes heading one way, a giant dirt median in the middle, and then two lanes going the opposite way. So I swerved to get out of the way, barely like missing this light. And that's when my brother wakes up. And he's like, are you okay? what's going on? Are you falling asleep? And I was like, no, you didn't, you didn't see the light? You didn't see that light? And he's just like, what, what light? What are you talking about? Are you sure you're okay? And I was like, you didn't see the light that swooped from the sky straight at the car.

And he's like, no, and I turn around, this is all happening within a matter of seconds. And I turn around and I see no tail lights because I tried to see if it was another. car. I don't even see that light behind us. And that's like one thing that kind of rattles my brain the most out of the three kind of experiences is like this one shot towards the car to the point where I had to dodge it and almost went off the road. And I still, to this day, I can't figure out what that was because it doesn't.

It didn't, as it got closer, it didn't seem like two headlights. It was just one giant, giant light. Yeah, that's scary, man. That, that's freaky. Yeah, that's the one that weirds me out the most. Well, weird me out too and stuff. I mean, it's just the bizarre nature of it and stuff and not having real, I mean, I almost, I almost wish you had like, and then I was abducted kind of part of it.

That way, I'm like, oh, it makes sense, you know? Yeah, no, I think that would have, that would have scarred me even more. Yeah, for sure, for sure. I say a tongue and cheek. I'd say a tongue and cheek. Yeah, I know. But yeah, man, that's, that's very interesting. I, you know, I, I picture, like, almost like a movie poster when you're telling that story of, like, this light coming right at, at you. And, uh, dude, I wouldn't want to go through that. No, no thanks. Why does all the interesting stuff happen to other people? Like, I don't ever have anything interesting happen to me. Drives me nuts. Yeah, and I don't even, I'm, I'm even a skeptic. with, you know, when I look up things, I'm skeptical. I'm like, okay, this is that, this is that. And these are just the things that I can't ever explain away. And I think it bothers me that I can't explain them away. Oh, for sure. Yeah. I mean, I think the people who go through these things would love to be able to explain things away and just be like, oh, I know what that was.

You know, like even down to like hauntings. I mean, you hear the footsteps. You're like, yeah, but I know what that was. So say you have somebody over to your house and they hear the footsteps and they're like, oh my gosh, you hear that. You're like, don't worry about it. The house is settling. You know, something simple, you know, just give me some simple explanation, you know, and we're good. But when it comes down to the things that, you know, you saw, which this giant light coming at you like that, I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I mean, it sounds like, to be honest, I get the sense just from hearing you that there is probably there's probably some kind of I don't know I don't know I want to like part of me wants to say it was some kind of like craft that

you just didn't recognize as far as like maybe it's governmental or something but I at some point I feel like we can't just say it was governmental just to I mean what's the point ease the mind yeah like what's the point I mean what's the point of a governmental craft of some sort buzzing you like that. I mean, it doesn't make sense to me. I know that there, I forget who it was, one of these pilots that used to fly, wow, this is really bad because I don't even know the name of the pilot or the plane, but he used to fly one of these planes that were thought to not exist and they did exist. And he said that they would buzz people to scare the hell out of them. And then they would think they had a UFO sighting. But I don't know. Does that happen all the time? I doubt it.

Yeah, I think the thing with this one too is it flying like straight towards me almost gave me, well, didn't almost, but it gave me the feeling that it knew I was looking at it and kind of singled me out in that moment. That's what that's what scared me. Yeah. I mean, when you feel like it's singling you out like that, I mean, yeah, it's kind of freaky. But, man. So the shadow figure, during sleep process. the shadow man, and then the UFOs.

And have you ever thought that those two things might be connected somehow on a spiritual level? Yeah, I don't. I mean, now it's in my head that you've kind of set it. But now I'm thinking I never saw like what seemed like a craft. It just seemed like a bright light. So, I mean, it could. It could be.

Actually, that you just kind of triggered something in my mind, like another kind of experience. You want to hear it or? No, I'm not here to hear experiences, man. Come on, of course. Yeah, this one is when I was younger. I was probably, I want to say 10 or 11. And I remember us driving down the road. it's always surrounded by nothingness.

And I remember looking up in the sky and I could see the clouds kind of open up in a circle and what looks like something kind of go into that circle and then the clouds closed back up. And in my head I'm remembering it like when I was little, I thought did I just see an angel or something going into the clouds? and now with both of these kind of now thinking of both of these types of experiences, I don't know.

It's just what pops into my head right now. Yeah, because I mean, I bring that up because I know there's a lot of people out there that believe that there's a spiritual aspect of these UFO sightings. You know, I'm not totally sure on that. I mean, I could go either way. I mean, I hear all people's arguments and, you know, consume all content. you know, but the idea of it, you know, just thinking about your two experiences of stuff, just thought I'd ask you to see if you ever thought about that angle of things.

Well, now I am. Now I am. Well, there you go. Don't take my word for scripture on that. I mean, I don't know. I'm just, I'm just going to look into it to see if there is something between the two. There you go. Yeah, because, I mean, just be like, that goofball said a question that I thought might be relevant, and so I'll look into it. That's all.

But, man, listen, before we roll out of here, I know you're a podcast or aspiring podcaster. What's the name of your show and where can people find it? Yeah, my show is Induced Fear, Induced Fear. Induced Fear podcast. You can find it anywhere. Spotify, Apple Podcast, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, all the podcatchers. We have a YouTube channel that has a YouTube channel that has a YouTube. little unboxing thing for people to check out, which is also under Induced Fear. The Instagram handle is Induce Fear podcast.

And there's also a TikTok, unfortunately. And that's under, that's under Induced Fear as well. Hey, man, listen, the kids are on TikTok. And so, you know, people should be on TikTok as well. I actually have a TikTok account. And I tried uploading some videos, like just like short clips of the show on there. and I think I put like two up and I should probably check and see how that's doing. But,

Oh, it's not of you doing TikTok dances? No, no, no, I don't really shake the booty a whole lot, you know. But yeah, it's just TikTok. I mean, it's not, it's not my, my cup of tea. I guess I'm just, I'm just too old for it, you know, like so many, I see, I see grown, full grown women on there dancing around to a camera and I'm just like I don't know I'm just like I'm always like you're somebody's grandma yeah yeah yeah it's just uh like the one uh I'm not gonna say it I'll piss people off so I I'm very cynical and I see some of the stuff that goes on

on social media. I'm just like, well, the question you're asking, I can answer if you want the honest of God answer, you know, like, why am I single? Um, hmm, because you're, you're dancing on TikTok. Oh, hey, listen, Oscar said it, not me. So, you know, there's a, I say that now, but next week I'll have a video of me dancing on TikTok probably. You're desperate. You're like, I'll do anything for views. I'll do anything. Look at my funky toe, you know. Oscar, man, I appreciate you joining us.

Of course. Thanks for having me. It was a lot of fun. Well, if you made it this far in the show, it means you listened to all the interviews. And congratulations, you have some serious endurance. And I appreciate you listening to the show. That was hours and hours and hours of content. Never done it before.

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