The Confessionals - 369: A Witch's Life

Episode Date: August 31, 2021

In Episode 369: A Witch's Life, we are joined by Joel, who brings us a full episode of stories plus an Overtime episode! In this first hour, Joel talks about his various experiences from childhood into adulthood. He begins with an abduction scenario when one night he and his found themselves missing time and their mother frantically looking for them. In his Overtime segment, Joel shares more in-depth details about his life as a practicing witch, delving into his many stories and experiences with witchcraft, as well as how and why he reached this point in his life.SPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals14 Promo Code: "confessionals14" for 14 FREE MEALS!!!GET ACORN.TV: acorn.tv/ Promo Code: "tony" (Code must be applied in all lowercase letters!)Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7h Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: merkificationFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkelSHOW INTRO Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3

Merkel Media's here This was all circulating around the base That a giant had been killed But no one was supposed to talk about it I saw three long, bony fingers Reach up underneath the door Curl up to grab it and then disappear

When he came over to me Dude he slithered over to me And this giant comes out of the cave And they're all frozen And he starts running and firing out of this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast and spears Dan holds them up like this. Somebody else shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face, they basically decapitated. Feel something pulling at my leg and I look over and there are two small gray

entities pulling it and they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. It's bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and it couldn't move. because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yeah. Welcome to the show, everybody listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show,

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Now, I want to let you guys know that we also have the YouTube channel. I'm actually out of town right now as you're listening to this. I am not at home for this week. but I do have my laptop with me and I'm planning on finding some downtime where I can start editing some videos that we've already shot to release on the YouTube channel. So if you don't want to miss another episode of Legion of Legends, go to the Confessionals YouTube channel, hit subscribe, and there we'll be posting Legion of Legends whenever they are available. We are planning many, many more trips and we are looking forward to sharing what we discover with you.

And last but not least, I want to let you know that I was a guest on two different podcasts last week. One was called macroaggressions with Charlie Robinson, and the other one was my family thinks I'm crazy with my friend Mark. Those are two great podcasts. You should go check them out. And right now you can listen to the episodes with me on them talking about my journeys with Legion of Legends and also talking about some stories that we've heard about on this show. Very good conversations I had with those guys, and I appreciate them having me on. Now, this week we have Joel coming on the show. This is an overtime episode. The first hour, we talk about his paranormal experiences and his brother's paranormal experiences. When they were kids, they were walking to their babysitter's

house just to pay her for babysitting them. It was not a long walk. They saw something during that walk that led to them having missing time to the point that when they got to her house, she was freaking out and their mom was freaking out because they were missing for a very long time and they were obviously very relieved that kids were okay, but they had no clue that they were missing for a period of time. To them, the walk seemed normal. And that just starts us off. Then he goes into dog man, big foot, a lot of different topics we talk about here. And then in the overtime, Joel talks about more of a personal journey he's been on as an adult. You see, Joel is an active practicing witch.

And he comes on to share his experiences with witchcraft. And what are the crazy things that he's been through since he's pursued witchcraft and why he continues to pursue it to this day? It was an awesome conversation I had with Joel. And I know you guys are going to love these conversations. So let's get to it right after this trailer for the overtime episode. right now. So I was having a lucid experience. I was put forth with the task of protecting some kids in a situation. I had to deal with a number of absolutely terrifying demonic entities,

we'll see and like I'm talking I've never had night terrors before I'd had bad dreams before but I never had night terrors until I started practicing witchcraft this was this was like my first night terror

it was absolutely terrifying anyway at the end of it I ended up I saw this man in black was on this hill and he was outside

overlooking what was going on and after I had dealt with these entities I went up to the hill and I was pissed I was

I was freaking livid and I got up in his face and he simply smiled he simply smiled and he said now you're ready to talk

and I said what he said now you're ready to talk I said I don't want to fucking talk to you what you just put me through? And he just had a smile on his face, and he disappeared.

I thought, what the hell was that all about? No, it wasn't until several months later, that I was reading that that is one of his ways that he manifests is as a man in black. And what, that, that, that, that episode that I had, gone through that night chair that I had just experienced was him testing me to see whether or not I was ready to go on to the next level. All right.

Today we got Joel on the show. Joel, how are you, man? Well, I'm doing good, Tony. How about you? I'm doing good, man. As good as can be. It's a crazy world out there, so I'm just trying to get by. It's definitely something we're all trying to get used to.

Yeah, that's for sure. So Joel, man, you have some really interesting experiences that I'm excited to hear you tell. And we're just going to start off from the beginning in your childhood because actually, it sounds like your childhood starts off of the bang. So you and your brother went through something that you're going to share with us that I think is pretty phenomenal. And not such a good way, just absolutely amazing way. Yeah, it was definitely interesting to say the least. I'm from Canada and up here in British Columbia.

I grew up for the first part of my life up until my teens in Victoria. And in this particular instance, I was probably four or five. And then my older brother, he was about seven. And we lived on a, it was a dead end street. it was a long, long street. It wasn't a cul-de-sac, but it was a dead end. And it was actually called Taunton Street in Victoria. And one night, my mother had asked us to walk up the street and drop off somebody to the babysitter.

And it was late at night. Well, it wasn't late. It was dark. and we lived in a two-bedroom bungalow, so it was a small house. And there was a, I don't know, it was probably about a 30-foot walkway from the front of our house to the sidewalk,

and there was a little gate that opened up onto the sidewalk. And at the time, we had a puppy. So parents said, take the dog out with you so we can go to the bathroom. And so we walked up to the gate out of our yard, and I turned around to close the gate, and I noticed there was a white disc. And it was, from what I recall,

it was the full size of the house. It went from end to end of our house. And I said to my brother, hey, what's that? my brother was like oh i have no idea at the time i immediately thought because we had some teenagers that lived behind us i thought well maybe it was they were in their backyard playing around with a flashlight or something so we start walking walking down the road

and it was only about four houses up i think but this disc um was following us so it was flying with over the other houses as we were going down the street. We get to the babysitter's house, and they have a covered porch on it. And so as we're walking up their walkway to their front door, the disc stops above this white light disc stops above the babysitter's house. So we ring the doorbell, and the babysitter's mother-ans, the door. And she says,

your mother called, and she's wondering where you guys have been. So we kind of look at each other like, well, we're walking the dog. We just came here to chop off the money. She says, well, you better hurry up on home. Your mom's getting worried. It's like, okay. Walk back up to the sidewalk. Oh, and we actually, we had said to the mom, we said,

oh, well, there's this disc that followed us. and she kind of shook it off and okay yeah yeah whatever and she couldn't see it because of the covered the covered patio porch there so we got back up to the sidewalk and uh my brother freaks out and he bolts I'm like what are you doing don't leave me here and uh and I had the little I had the puppy and my brother's like forget it I'm going so he he takes off and uh I'm I'm trying to wrangle the puppy and to pick it up because I don't want them, whatever they are in this disc, to take the dog. So now I pick up the dog and I'm running and I'm bawling my eyes out.

We went back into the house and our mom starts giving us crap, right? Yelling at us out, where have you guys been? You know, I almost called the police. who we said, well, there's this white disc over the house. It followed us there and back. And, you know, she was still freaking out. Hurry up and go have your bath. I don't want to hear your stories.

I'm so mad at you guys right now. And so that was sort of the start of it. My brother and I, you know, still talk about it to this day. But at the time, that was sort of the, the end of the, the end of the episode in a sense. Let me ask you before you keep going here. Did you happen to notice any difference in the dog?

You know, I really wasn't paying attention to the dog. I was more paying attention on the disc, right? And one thing that occurred to me was, you know, after we got, you know, one or two houses up the street, I remember thinking it can't be a flashlight because a flashlight wouldn't shine that far ahead and then not only that

a flashlight needs a surface to reflect off of to give it shape, right? And so I think that added to it to the panic when my brother took off as well because I knew that it couldn't be the kids in the house behind ours playing with a flashlight. So you're walking to the babysitter's

house. And as far as you know, as far as you can remember, you didn't, there was nothing different. I mean, you literally walked to the house, normal time, and somehow lots of time went missing. Well, yeah. And you know, the funny thing is it wasn't until I was in my 30s after listening, it was like a couple of days after listening to an art bell show, that the whole missing time thing even occurred to me. And when it did, that's sort of when I, it kind of creep the hell. to me. And I mentioned it to my brother, and he's like, yeah, that makes perfect sense. So, now, my parents got divorced when I was young, and so I never grew up with my father until, I think I was 17.

We had reconnected. And so we told him about it. and yeah his his eyes lit up and his jaw almost hit the floor when we told him and we said he said oh well have you had a UFO experience and he took a deep breath

and he proceeded to tell us his story and that had also occurred on Vancouver Island in Port Albany before he had met our mother he was at a lookout point in Port Albany with his date. He said it was in the middle of winter, so there was snow on the ground. And they were parked, the engine was running to keep the cab warm. Both doors were locked.

And he said, he's seen a, they saw this bright light come down in front of the truck. filled the cab with light. And then the next thing he knows, he was about a mile away from the truck, standing there by himself. Now, I guess when he was in the truck, when he had parked, he had taken his jacket off. So he was now a mile away in the snow,

in the dark without a jacket on. So he makes his way back to the truck. and the girl's gone, his date is gone. The truck is still running, and both doors are locked, right? So the keys are still in there, so he had to smash the window to get back into his truck. Went home, called the girl's house, and the sister answered and said she didn't want to talk to him right now, maybe call in the morning. So he called her the next day in the morning, and the sister answered and says, listen, I can't remember the girl's name. She said she doesn't want to talk to you right now.

She doesn't want to discuss last night, but you need to know that you didn't do anything wrong. But she just doesn't want to talk about last night anymore. So shortly after they ended up moving, and he never talked to her again, until he was looking for work in Vancouver. Hoover about 15, 20 years later, and he saw her on the street. And she recognized him. I came up to him, and she was excited to see him. We gave him a big hug, and they made some small talk for a bit. And he says, hey, do you remember that night when we went up to the lookout point?

And he says, I have no recollection of what happened, except I ended up being like a mile away from the truck. And her face went completely blank, and she said, she says, I've spent years in counseling, trying to deal with what happened that night. But she says, I want you to know that you didn't do anything to me. I don't want you to think that I'm blaming you for what happened. But she said, I've spent years getting therapy, and I've moved on with my life. And that was the last time he ended up seeing her. No. No, I want to know what happened.

No way. I would like to look her up and talk to her. Unbelievable. No, I want, like, she had to tell him what happened. Like, he doesn't know what happened. Unbelievable. Unreal. Yeah, talk about a cliffhanger, right? Yeah, it's the worst, man. I wish you wouldn't have started the show off with that. Holy crap.

Wow. Yeah, so that was kind of interesting to hear my dad's experience. Now, let's see, I got married when I was 34, so I guess I was around just before, I think I had just turned 34 or, you know, I was about almost 34 or I had just turned 34 or, yeah, I was about almost 34 or I had just turned 34. and my wife and I were at work, we're bus drivers, and so we were in the sleep room and taking a nap, you know, they got lazy boy recliners there, so she's on the left of me and I'm in my lazy boy, and we're going to take a nap for a couple hours between our shifts.

And so I had a, I want to say, I've had lucid dreams. a ton. They're quite frequent as well as astral projection. But this was, this felt like a lucid dream at first. So basically what it was was I was sitting in the recliner and the love, in the love lazy boy. And I was suddenly outside of my body looking at my work building. But there was like a silver, I don't know, it looked like a, it was like rice shape, you know, kind of like an oblonged oval. And it was above the sleep room outside of the building.

So I'm outside observing this. And then the next thing I know, there's a beam of light, and I'm being pulled from my chair into this beam of light. But now I'm in my body and I'm experiencing. it. And I hear these voices, or this these voices talking, and I hear the one saying, we have to do

this quickly, because he'll be having children soon. And at that point, I felt so it's a little bit uncomfortable. Kind of like a pressure, I don't know if anybody's ever had, like a large gauge needle. puncture their skin, but I had that happen in my nether regions.

We'll put it that way. And I remember trying to scream, and I couldn't scream. It wouldn't come out, but I felt the pain and the pressure. And then the next thing, so this was happening. I wasn't on a table or I think I was still suspended in air in this light when this happened. And then the next thing I know, I'm out of the light, and I'm physically. I don't know I felt

falling about six, seven inches I'm guessing, maybe a little bit more into the lazy boy chair and my arms were my arms were straight up my legs were straight up as if I had been dropped and I actually fell with force into the chair

and I was fully awake and I looked over up my wife, she's still sleeping. And my heart was going a million miles an hour. So from that experience, what started off seeming like a lucid dream, which I had had before,

to actually to an ending where I was physically dropped into a chair, which made me realize that, holy shit, was I just abducted? And I came to before

before I hit the chair? I don't know. So that was the, that was sort of the last of my UFO experiences that I've had since before my kids were born. Wow. So what do you make of that? I mean, you have this abduction and you hear them say, we have to do this fast before he's going to have kids soon. You've had a lot of time to think about this. Do you have any theories as to what that was about? You know, I think looking back in retrospect to my father's experience and from what I've heard from other abductees is that it's a generational thing.

I think, obviously, for what I don't know, that being said, my wife had a dream. I'll say a dream. It was probably I think our youngest was just turned a year old

and she got up one morning and said, hey, you know, I've had a really strange dream last thing. There was a craft, had landed in the common area, and the common area is like a small grass area with a couple benches in our townhouse complex.

And the kid's room is right outside and it overlooks the common area. And she said this craft landed, and she said there were beings who were there to see how the children were doing. And she said, and then I woke up, that's all I remember.

I've never had a UFO dream in my life. My wife has never had any before that, and she hasn't had any since. So that was, you know, that's been eight years since. So I don't know. That's just a big question mark. Do you think that that was an actual dream or she just thinks it to dream? I think it was a real thing.

Okay. I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, pride too much on that one. Yeah, no, I don't, you know, some of these things happen, and there's so many shifts of consciousness and how we perceive things. I don't know if it's happening interdimensionally or whatever, or if it's part of the, part of the process of how, how our minds deal with things or if it's the technology that they use to make it seem like it's a memory or a dream. I don't know. Yeah. Well, I mean, I referenced this guy. a lot when it comes to dreams

because he really knows what he's talking about. He has a YouTube channel called Mr. X Dreams and I had him on the show and he he specializes in this whole dream phenomenon if that's what you want to call it and he

firmly believes that dreams are not just this mental state where we go to and you know we just dream up storylines in our head while we sleep but he he believes that we're going into other states of being. And it's like it's like a whole other reality. And he, he has an experience with his sister where they were both in the same dream and they both

recall seeing each other in that dream. And so it's, it's really interesting to me. There's this whole aspect of stuff. And for somebody like me, I don't ever remember dreams ever. Right. And so it's, it's really fascinating to me that people not only remember their dreams, I guess I'm an oddball, but also have this interaction in their dreams that kind of play into this side of reality. It's very interesting. Yeah, and, you know, I think there is, I'm of the mindset, too, that when we dream or when we sleep, we actually leave our bodies and go back to where home is, you know, I guess, because I'm of the belief, of the, sort of of the Gnostic belief that this is more of a matrix that we're in.

And I remember actually both of my kids when they were very young, different times, both by themselves. And they both asked me the same question. And I had the question, too, when I was a kid, was what if this, they said to me, Dad, what if this is all a dream? And we dream, that's actual reality. And they were asking me that at like four years old. And I actually, I kind of believe that that's the truth. I think we've, this is actually nothing but what we perceive as reality is actually a dream.

And when we go to sleep, we leave our body and our souls are actually functioning or resting before we come back into these bodies or these vehicles that we have to experience the simulation from. That's really interesting. And I hear people's experiences and stuff. And the more I hear people's experiences, the more I realize how strange what I, what I perceive as reality to be. And there's times that it just happened last week. I'm standing in my kitchen by myself. My entire household is sleeping. It was late at night, probably like one, two clock in the morning, drinking some water before I go to bed. And I just started thinking about what

reality is. And I know who I am as a person, like the Tony on the inside, not the Tony that I see in the mirror or that people see, but like who I am on the inside, that that spirit of Tony, like the inner me. And I started thinking, like, what are the odds that this, that that part of me was lucky enough to be placed in, in America, in the situation that I haven't put in, when I could just have easily been that, that Tony, born into a body that was in a deprived third world country and never even know what internet is, you know? it's just like that reality of the inner person and the existence of that inner person. And then what are the odds of that inner person even experiencing the reality that I see through the eyes that I have?

You know, it's just trippy stuff, man. Well, there is a belief in occult philosophy. But on each of the planetary spheres, there's actually, for lack of a better term, a different aspect. body of ours that is living simultaneously in different realms of those seven planetary spheres. And that when we are experiencing issues in health or different capacities of our life, in different areas of our life, we're actually experiencing our other selves. And that that's manifesting into this sphere. And so if one wanted to work on that, let's say you had, I don't know, let's say you had a fear of speaking, public speaking or something like that, well, you could actually travel and meet with and discuss with your other self on, let's say the sphere of Mercury, which is a planet of communication.

And you would be able to interact with yourself on that sphere, and that would take care and manifest into a non-issue here on Earth, because you would be able to interact with yourself on that sphere. and that would take care and manifest into a non-issue here on Earth because you've already dealt with it on the sphere that actually influences and manifests itself here on Earth. Okay, let's talk about our sponsor for today's show, which is Simply Safe. Friends, I've been talking about Simply Safe for quite some time now, and just before I hit record on this recording,

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and start protecting your home and family. That's Simplysafe.com slash confessionals. So let's talk about some of this crypted stuff too, okay? Okay. In fact, I'm not even going to spoil it. You just take it away. Listen, I'm thoroughly enjoying this. You're a great storyteller.

So feel free to take it away. Okay. Well, I'm glad you say that because my wife, she's like, oh, my God, your stories go on forever. Well, that's what podcasts are for. It's always like she's snapped her fingers. Hurry and up, hurry up, get to the point. You know what?

Let me, okay, I'll go to the, I'll go to the, I'm going to the cryptid part right here because this happened also in the lower mainland. After we moved from Victoria, we moved to sort of a suburb of Victoria, which is called Langford. Lived on Sucre Road, which was actually a highway.

Behind us, we had across, you'd hop over the ditch in our backyard. You'd go about two blocks, and there was the the rodeo, the rodeo ring there and the Luxon Fairgrounds so anybody can go on Google Earth and Google this so you can sort of get an area of the topographical and geographical

area. It's grown a lot since I was there. It used to be a lot of forests and whatnot and they've really expanded with townhouse and population growth. But when we live there in the 80s it was like you're

typical 80s movie sort of, what was that show, stranger things. It was kind of like that, you know. Everybody rode their bikes everywhere. All the kids knew each other. We had all, you know, play telephone tag to hook up and go play in the woods in the back of the subdivision or just hang out at the rodeo, whatever. Now, my brother one day was one night, he had, we had grown up in a pretty dysfunctional

and abusive home. So my brother was living on the streets there for quite some time. And I guess he was about had to have been about 14 or 15, I think, at the time and he was just coming back for his girlfriend's place. And that was

on Happy Valley Road. I think he was walking towards Suk Road. And the lighting, the lighting on Happy Valley Road was very sparse. The houses, you know, houses were typically sitting on about an acre of landage.

So you had a good distance between neighbors and the streetlights were distance quite a fair ways apart. Anyway, he's walking towards Suk Road. And he notices across the street. He sees something large and black sort of

following him from across the street. And so he notices as it comes up to one of the street lines, you can make out its form. And he said it looked like a dog. He said it's hindquarters kind of arched down like a German shepherd would. His front shoulders, he said it was,

he said it was so big its front shoulders stood about the height of a the hood of a car like the hood of the engine, not the roof, but like the hood. He said it was broad, about as broad as me. I'm probably about 21, 22 inches wide. I'm pretty broad.

And he said I had very coarse hair. point the ears. And he said, it followed him, and he could see his teeth. But it didn't have any eyes shine or didn't have red eyes, anything scary like that. But he was like, well, gee, that's a pretty big dog.

And so he started getting freaked out because it was, it was following him and watching him. He wouldn't take his gaze off of my brother. and car comes around the bend and gets this thing's attention and it bolts it bolts across the street

this car hits it hits its hind legs and it took off into this yard so the guy stops his car and gets out thinking it was my brother's dog and he says oh my god I'm so sorry I didn't see it. I just ran out in front.

And my brother said, that's not my dog. I don't know what it was. And the guy says, oh, my God, it was huge. And my brother's like, yeah, do you mind if you give me a ride up to Suk Road? And he's like, yeah, no problem, get in. But before they went in, it actually hit the bumper and left blood and left the good size dent in it as well. Shortly, well, I shouldn't say shortly thereafter. A while later, my brother was up to the Rock Quarry with two of his friends,

and then we're going to camp out up there for the night. And they had heard some grunting sounds coming from the tree line. And you kind of thought, oh, that's kind of odd, whatever, maybe it was a bear. And so Steve gets up and says, well, F this, I'm not sticking around to find out. So Steve leaves. And so my brother and James, they're just sitting there. And they could hear this thing was kind of getting closer, but that was walking faster back and forth. But it was staying within the tree line.

And my brother said, it actually sounded like, because I'd asked him. I said, well, was it a bear? And he said, well, at first I thought it was impaired, but then he said, it sounded more like a dog. And I guess their nerves sort of got the best of them. And James said, forget this, I'm not going to stick around to find out what it was. So they got up and they bolted. And as soon as they bolted, my brother said he could hear this thing chasing them and crashing through the bush. and my brother, he said they ran a good three-quarters of a mile, a full sprint,

and didn't stop until they crossed the main road at the bottom of the rock quarry. Now, one would think, okay, it was a bearer, rightfully so it could have been. But now, probably about seven years ago, I was listening to another podcast called, what was it Mysterious universe And there was a guy on there and he was telling the story He was at a bush party

And He had walked off into the brush a bit He'd go take a leak And he noticed About He said about 50, 75 meters He noticed this

upright walking dog What I think he described just like a werewolf, walked in this old, um, old abandoned, uh, run down trailer

and then walk inside. Okay, cool enough. But then he said where he was from, Langford, British Columbia. So that's why I kind of, uh, I kind of think it all ties in because I went

home and told my brother that. And, uh, that's what he, that's what I kind of tied them all together, that maybe this was on those things. occasions that he had seen was actually a dog man and and not something else. Yeah, that's pretty incredible. So in one area, they have, at least you know of three different occasions where this thing popped up.

Yeah. And last year, again, I had a recurrence, a resurfacing memory. And I never really told any brother. I just told my brother about it actually the other day because it's one of those things where you can go, well, it's just my imagination, right? But I had an experience up on the backwoods. We all kind of entered the woods from this one cul-de-sac

and everybody would cut through Rogers, our friend Roger, through his backyard and would go up into the woods. And it was a summer day, and most people were either at work or they had gone on vacation. there was nobody to come out and play. So I was like, well, I'll go up in the backwoods here.

I'll just goof around. And so I went up, I don't know, probably about a mile in, a mile and a quarter in. And I never usually went that far out unless I was with some of the older kids. And so I saw the tree rope, the tree swing. That was sort of like the boundary for me. I knew not to go any further than that because I didn't know the area very, well, I didn't want to get lost. And I remember stopping because getting just this eerie feeling like something was watching me.

And it was dead silent, like not a bird, not a cricket, not a grasshopper, nothing. And I remember from Boy Scouts thinking, well, if there's a cougar or a bear, you know, you don't want to make any sudden moves. you know, just walk away slowly. So I thought, well, I'll start singing a song, right? So I started singing maybe just to let something know that if it was a bearer that I was in the area. So I started singing, and then I started noticing the hair on the back of my neck starts standing up, and the hair of my arms starts standing up.

And I'm trying to nonchalantly look around, and then all of a sudden that voice in my head, yells run. I can't run. I don't want whatever there is. That's the last thing you do. That's what they taught us in boys. Don't run. Then the voice in my head shouted again, run. So I did. I dropped

my stick and I started running. And I remember I was so scared that my body was trying to cry but I was breathing so hard I couldn't. I couldn't. I

got a couple wimpers out, and that was it. It was just run. And my heart was beating so fast, I could feel it in my ear drums, right? And I sprinted nonstop until I got, I could see the Rogers backyard. I could see the tree swing there. And I remember thinking, oh, thank God, there's Roger's yard. I can stop now. And the voice in my head said, don't stop. running and say you hit the road because if it catches you on the road, someone can at least follow your blood trail and they can find your body, which is a bizarre thought to be going through one's head when you're running in a panic, right? Like it just, I don't know, I guess the brain works in weird ways.

But I remember I got to the street in the cul-de-sac. I ran across the street, turned and stopped and turned and sat down. Because at that point, my asthma had kicked in. And I guess the adrenaline was coming down. It was getting a little hard to breathe. But yeah, and I never told anybody because they would just say, oh, well, it was your imagination. So could it have been? Yeah, it could have been.

Or was it something, you know, did I pick up something or sent something that was in there that shouldn't have been? Yeah, that's interesting. That's really interesting. You know, with your brother's sighting, the initial one, did you ever ask him if it crossed his mind to take the hair and blood as like a sample? No. Because he just thought it was a big dog, right? A really big dog. Yeah, so it wouldn't cross his mind at that point.

In fact, he, according to his experiences, I mean, it probably sounds like he would be under the assumption that if anything, it was a wolf, not a dog man. And you're the one time the connection between his experiences and the guy who had seen the dog walking up right. Yeah, because, I mean, the only thing that made him not think it was a wolf or a dog was the sheer size of it. The fact that its front shoulder blades were as high as they were. And then how broad it was. He said the thing was as broad as like a linebacker. So, and he had never seen any dog like that. Even large, like we've had friends that raised boxers and Sherman Shepherds and never seen anything that big.

Yeah. But it wasn't, but, you know, when it crossed the street, it was, he said it was on all fours. He didn't see it get up on, on two feet or anything like that. But he was just amazed at the sheer size of it, with its shoulder blades. being the height that they were. Now, did you ever bring it up to him about the possibility of it being a dogman? Yeah, and actually, I had gone on the net and I had looked around for some pictures of dogmen. And there was one that I showed him and he said it looked exactly like that,

except that was on all fours, not standing up. Wow. Wow. So I guess he's a believer then. He's down for this narrative. He actually, he's not. He's kind of like, well, it could be. whatever. He doesn't, he hasn't followed the dog man at all. I prefer, I prefer not to because I like the outdoors. Yeah. Quite frankly, it scares the hell to me. And I think about it before I go on a

hike, it's, it kind of puts a damper on what could be a good trip. Yeah, that's understandable for sure. You should just say to him, bro, we were abducted. Like, do you not remember our childhood? Well, and you know, the funny thing is, I told them, I had actually looked up a number of years ago, somebody for some regressive therapy, right, that would do it to try and regress our experience. And he says, I don't want to know. I don't want to know what happened. But he says, if you want to go and find out for me, then you're more than welcome. But he wants no part of any recollection.

He just wants to let it lie. Did you ever go? Mm-mm. Why? I think because maybe I don't want to know. Like, you know, what's done and done, I can't go, I can't go back and change it. And do I want to deal with resurface memories that maybe are best left undone? You know, and not knowing about.

Yeah, I can understand that for sure. So, I mean, that curiosity is always there. But part of me is like, you know, can I live with that memory that I have right now? Yes. Do I want to live with the potential memories of what may have happened? I don't think so because, you know, with my last experience with what they did to me, that was terrifying. and I don't and I have a hard enough time dealing with that that small memory alone of when I was taken into that beam of light I know I don't want to I don't want to have to deal with another memory on top of that one if it was

anything like that I don't want to I don't want to deal with that that's understandable that's understandable in fact I think I would be in the same shoes I if that something like that happened to me I don't know if I'd want to remember anything outside my natural memory uh that's understandable. It's funny because like some people, they're all about the regression therapy. They're like, yeah, I want to know. And some people are just like, no, let it, let it go.

Yeah, for sure. And it's completely understandable. I mean, you know, when I was younger, I was like, yeah, that might be something to do. You know, it was like, you know, the past life regression and stuff like that too. And whether that is subjective or whatever else, I don't know.

But the experiences that I've had thus far, to me, that's enough. I don't need any more clarification. Would it be nice to know, you know, what their purpose was or if there was a plan or, you know, sort of the long-term goals? Sure. But what if it was something other that was more maleficent, right? Yeah. Yeah.

And that's the thing. I mean, you might find out something you wish you didn't know. Yeah. And who knows what that does to your mental state? I mean, you find something out you wish you didn't know. Maybe there's a reason why you didn't remember it. And who knows, maybe you wind up going crazy, you know? Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, I totally get it. I totally get it. Now, that was your brother's experience, but you have some pretty scary experience in the woods as well, in the woods as well. Yeah, we've had, I don't know, are you, I can't remember what notes I had sent you. Tony, is there something specific that you were making reference to on that one? No, because you didn't go into specifics. You had told me that, told me the experiences we went into, and then you had said that you,

and you have your own personal experiences in the woods. And then I know when we were talking beforehand, before we went live, you mentioned about the Bigfoot. So I assumed that's what it was. Yeah. Yeah. So I'll go into the Bigfoot one. Are there others other than Bigfoot that you want to talk about?

Because we can do that, too. Yeah, I mean, there are. There's some other interesting, not so much scary, but some interesting when I'd gotten into magic and just experiences in the woods with that. But I'll go into the Bigfoot. A couple of years ago, I guess three or four years ago now, we bought an RV lot in an RV resort property. in Harrison Hot Springs. And anybody that does Bigfoot research knows that Harrison is a

Bigfoot hub. So usually they shut off the water. Usually end of November and then they turn the water back on depending on how the weather is mid-February beginning of March.

So we like to go up there as soon as they open the resort. And there's usually nobody there. But it's nice to get away from the city and just go up and chill out. And so we got a large gazebo, and I like to hang my hammock up, and then I'll sleep in my hammock, even if it's, you know, minus zero or close to it. I'll sleep outside, and the kids and the wife, they sleep in the RV.

And so the first couple years that we've been there, and last year in particular, I was woken up probably about 2 o'clock, 2.30 in the morning to the screaming. I was like, what the hell is that? But this was in the distance in the mountains. And I was like, man, that's a really, that's a really odd scream. But it was almost like a mix between a scream and like a howl.

And so last year, I'm sleeping out there, and it wakes me up. And actually, my youngest was sleeping in the hammock next to me. And she didn't hear it. She was fast asleep. But it repeated it about four or five times. And I kicked myself now because I had a sleep app on my phone. And I'm going to do it this year when I go back up.

And basically, it's an app you run in the background. and if there's any noise, it picks it up and records it. So I'm going to do that this year when we go back out next month. But I went on YouTube, and I found the same howlals that others had recorded. It sounded just like that, but maybe like the pitch was a little different. And I was like, holy cow, this is what I've heard for the last three years. And so I brought it up to our neighbor behind us. And I said, hey, you know, I heard these howls, along with another ghostly experience, I'll bring up later.

And she said, well, you know, it's funny you mention that because when they were up, she had heard that same sort of howling, screaming out in the green space in our RV. resort. And so she got out and listened to it. She was like, oh, that's odd. I wonder what that is. So she got talking to another person that was there that was staying there. And he happened to actually work on the power lines up in the back mountains there, right behind our resort. And apparently he had said that when they were working on the power lines up in the back instead of going into town to sleep

at the hotels they would camp out up there but I guess they had some experiences up there where nobody camps up there spends the night up there anymore and none of them will even bring their families to camp up on those mountains anymore because of what they had seen

So we definitely have Bigfoot in that area that I physically heard. My neighbors have heard it. And the one guy obviously worked up there on the crew up on the power lines. And they've experienced the same thing. So they don't go up there anymore, either. Wow. Yeah. So, I mean, it's kind of like a, I don't know.

I'm missing a word here, but the whole area knows about this. Well, and you know, the funny thing is, from a topographical standpoint, I can see why it would be favorable habitat for creatures like that, because all of the mountains, they're sitting on like a 65-degree slope, eh? All of them, all around. They're like super, super steep mountains. So if anybody was ever seen one or trying to pursue it, it would be next to impossible. Your legs wouldn't be able to keep up with it. too steep, the terrain is too rough. You just want to be able to do it. So let me ask you a question. It's kind of off topic in the sense that I'm looking for your opinion on this. When it comes to

Bigfoot, the dog man that you shared about, and even the abduction, do you think that all these things are related in some way? Because I know there's a lot of people that believe that Bigfoot is alien and Dogman might be alien or whatever. Do you get that sense? Do you think that these are all different categories of creatures. You know, that's a tough one. I think with some of the stuff that I've heard from Bigfoot, it almost sounds like an interdimensional thing. I think the dogman,

and I don't want to go too off topic here with the hollow earth, but with the amount of sightings and whatnot coming from coming with Dogman over, I'd say, like the last 15 years or so, I'm almost, I almost think something like that could have come from, from Hollow Earth. And then when these, because what were those, if you remember in England, I think they called like the green kids or something like that. Oh, yeah, what is that? Remember that story? Those two kids who come up?

It wasn't Edinburgh, but it was something like that. They came up, those two green kids showed up in that village in England. and they said that they had gotten lost and they ended up up here. So it had me thinking, I'm wondering, and not just dogmen, but of various cryptids, what if the same thing happens to those cryptid creatures or things that we see as cryptids, whether they be chupacabra or whatever? And these are things that have stumbled out and found their way up here. it's really interesting yeah and i just looked it up for clarification it was going to drive me nuts

the green children of wool pit uh it's it's in england yeah that when you said that was like oh my gosh i remember that i remember hearing about that but uh yeah i mean that's that's that's a good point i mean i know a lot of people think about bigfoot coming from hollow earth and uh you know coming from within the earth it makes sense and just if you just boil it down to take the term hollow out of it. If these creatures are real, where do they live? Well, I mean, maybe they have access to the cave system. I mean, I know in Pennsylvania, into Ohio, there's a lot of sightings of Bigfoot. And there's also a lot of caves in Pennsylvania, tons of caves. There's so many caves in Pennsylvania. I can almost guarantee you there's caves that we have that haven't had a human being in them for,

you know, hundreds of years. There's just, there's tons. And some of them are tiny and some of them are absolutely huge. And it's just one of those things where maybe they have access to it. I don't know, but it's something to think about. Well, yeah. And the other thing too, right, if you take a look at a dog man, if it has the keen sense of smell as dogs do, well, it would be able to follow its way back to where it came from. And if it can come back and forth, you know, ends up in a national park or something up here. Well, the hunting's good. The eating. good, what would stop it from going back and grabbing some of its friends or its PAC members and bringing them back too? Which would explain possibly the rise in sightings.

And here's another theory. This is kind of, you know, off, a little bit of an offshoot. But so in Pennsylvania, there's a very well-known deep underground military base called Raven Rock. I've talked about it on the show before. But a lot of people think that there's at least two in Pennsylvania. Some people swear there's two in Pennsylvania, but I have not yet found anybody to tell me where the second location is, which is like a personal mission of mine. But I theorize that maybe if there is a second one, it would be in the Allegheny National Forest because it's government property. And literally the forest takes up probably about between one eighth to one and 16th of the state. I mean, it's absolutely huge. Holy kill. And so if these things, what if these

things are designed. You know, they're, they're designed chimera type creatures by sick, mad scientists, and they're doing it deep underground, and these things come out to do their thing. And I think I've heard different stories of like, of that nature and then them having some kind of callback device where if you, I don't know, just hit a button, these things are programmed to return to where they came from. Very interesting stuff. Well, and it's funny you say that, too, because there have been sightings where people have said that they see these dogmen and they're wearing like body armor, right? And there was a show on Netflix. I think it was called Love Sex, Robots, or Love Sex and Robots, I think.

And it was a series of episodes that were animated episodes, right? Different things. And one of them was about dogmen soldiers in Afghanistan. So that was, you know, maybe you're on to something, maybe they are designed or like you said, like a chimera, chimera mutation perhaps. Yeah. And they're using them for the military. I don't know. You know, it's funny you bring up Afghanistan and that whole thing because, one, I've heard that lots of times.

And again, I brought him up earlier in the show, my friend, Mr. X. Dreams, he was a soldier. And I believe he said it was Afghanistan, Afghanistan or Iraq, but I lean towards Afghanistan. and he told a story of looking through his, I guess, binoculars or whatever, and he sees a man on like a motorbike going down a road and he's observing. And these two giant dogs came running out right alongside of the guy. And I forget how the story ended, but the guy got away, but it was like he said they were abnormally large. Like he said, they were huge. And so it kind goes along with what you just said. You see, I don't want to go backpacking anymore. Well, I understand.

Wow. Wow. Yeah, so I was going to say to my brother on a side note, he's also had two other cryptocytes of, I guess they would be called Cadbarosaurus, or like, Loch Nass monster, C-sherpins. He had them when our grandparents were in hospice, They lived in Parksville.

His first one, he saw when he was at Duke Point, having a smoke, and he was looking down in the small cove. And he saw what he thought was a log, about 40 feet long. And, yeah, he said he saw it, and it kind of disappeared. And then it came back up underneath a school of seagulls, tried to grab one. But he said, it moved like a snake, but up and down instead of sideways. he said it had the head that looked like now this is bizarre but he said it had the head that looked like a horse

and he said it's its back tail its back fin looked like that of a goldfish and he works up at the UBC hospital up here at the University of British Columbia and he talked to a professor who had written a book on Cadborosaurus actually and he had put my brother in contact with another woman

whom he had interviewed for his book and she had seen the exact same thing. She was doing, in the Gulf, in the Georgia Strait, she was researching the migratory patterns of the orcas out here.

Yeah, she had something, that exact same size, same description. Passed no more than swim right beside her 10 feet beside her, swam right past her. And she surfaced and she hasn't been in the water since. I understand totally. Holy crap.

What you just described, it sounds like what I picture in my head is one of those 1400s paintings that the sailors did after they crossed the Atlantic Ocean. And they talk about the sea creatures they saw, you know. That's kind of what you just described. Yeah, it's totally bizarre, right? like, I'm like, I have the head of a horse. He says, yeah, that's the best way I could describe it. He said, its head was about almost three feet long.

And he said, they looked hairy like a horse head. Wow. That's absolutely bizarre. Yeah, and then he saw it a second time when he was up in Parksville because my grandparents had a house on the beach. And he was sitting there looking out from the, because my grandparents always kept a pair of binoculars on the windseal ledge there. We'd look at eagles and whales that would pass by.

And yeah, he saw the same thing, swim right out in front of their house there, out there in the ocean. Wow. What are the odds of seeing it twice, you know? Well, yeah. That's incredible. That's absolutely incredible. Totally bizarre. So, I mean, there's definitely lots of things out there, man, that we'll be finding, I'm sure, or discovering hundreds of years from now.

Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, we've discovered a lot in the last few hundred years that people thought was fiction. and I can only imagine, you know, especially as technology grows and you're able to kind of research things on a technological level more. I imagine, you know, more things will surface. But Joel, or Joel, I keep wanting to say Joel. Would you want to stay over for an overtime segment to talk more about your, yeah, because I want to talk to you more about your experiences. You mentioned a little bit about the magic there. But just for the audience to know where you're coming from. Just give them a brief snippet as to, you know, what we're going

to cover in the overtime segment. Well, as I had written you before, I actually, when I was younger, I had experienced a lot of paranormal and what I would call at the time demonic activities and hauntings. And I actually wanted to grow up and be a pastor. I was actually training to be a Sunday school teacher at the time. And I eventually, through my experiences decided to jump into magic both feet to the fire

so I could find out for myself what I was being taught was wrong and evil and I wanted clarification for my own experiences to find out what was going on from a first-hand account as opposed to a preacher or a pastor telling me what I was supposed to believe from the pulpit.

So yeah, I'll go into that more, more later. What made me decide to what I call from the cross to the crossroads, I guess, and follow a path of witchcraft as opposed to that of becoming a pastor in the Christian faith. Yeah, and so we're going to get into that in the overtime segment. And obviously you and I have differences there.

And we talked about it before the interview to make sure we were both okay talking. about these kind of things together and just wanted to make sure you weren't going to cast spells on me and stuff. Nope, nope, I don't do that, man. Yeah, I got you, man. But yeah, so Joel, thanks for joining me on this first half of the show, man. It's been really an interesting conversation, man.

It's been a pleasure, Tony. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where or how you share the show. Just share the show if you enjoyed it. And just a reminder, we are doing a whole other hour with Joel in the overtime from members, where he talks about him being a witch and pursuing witchcraft.

His experience is doing that. And some of these stories that he has are mind-blowing. I'm just telling you, it was an awesome conversation. And if you're a member, I know you're going to love it. So head on over to the overtime show. And for the rest of you, until next week, stay safe, take care, and remember, the truth will set you free. But first, it'll piss you off. Bye.

So I was having a lucid experience. I was put forth with the task of protecting some kids in a situation. I had to deal with a number of absolutely terrifying demonic entities, we'll say. And like I'm talking, I've never had night terrors before. I'd had bad dreams before. but I never had night terrors until I started practicing witchcraft this was

a problem this was like my first night terror it was absolutely terrifying anyway at the end of it I ended up I saw this man in black was on this hill

and he was outside overlooking what was going on and after I had dealt with these entities I went up to the hill And I was pissed. I was I was freaking livid. And I got up in his face. And he simply smiled. He didn't, he simply smiled.

And he said, now, now you're ready to talk. And I said, what? He said, now you're ready to talk. I said, I don't want to fucking talk to you, what you just put me through. And he just had a smile on his face. And he disappeared. I thought, what the hell was that? all about.

It wasn't until several months later, that I was reading that that is one of his ways that he manifests is as a man in black. And what, that, that, that episode that I had gone through

that nightcareer that I had just experienced was him testing me to see whether or not I was ready to go on to the next level.