The Confessionals - 375: Bigfoot In England | Deborah Hatswell

Episode Date: September 21, 2021

In episode 375: Bigfoot In England we are joined by Deborah Hatswell from BBR Investigations. Deborah had a bigfoot encounter in the 80s in England and that set her life path on a new course of trying to understand the unknown and find people that have seen the strange and unusual like her. Today she talks about bigfoot sightings in the U.K. for the first hour. Then in the overtime segment, she shares more stories coming from the U.K. such as dogman encounters, reptilian encounters, and more!Become a member for AD FREE listening: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinMAILING ADDRESS:STE 36188 Glocker Way,Pottstown, PA 19465SPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals14 Promo Code: "confessionals14" for 14 FREE MEALS!!!GET ACORN.TV: acorn.tv/ Promo Code: "tony" (Code must be applied in all lowercase letters!)Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7h Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: merkificationFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkelSHOW INTRO Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3

Merkel Medians And there was a lady's leg found Just the leg Just the bottom half of the leg And They said oh

It's just not suspicious circumstances There's nothing going on yet This was all circulating Around the base That a giant had to kill But no one was supposed to talk about it I saw three long Boney fingers

Reach up underneath the door Curl up to grab it And then disappear When he came over to me. Dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant.

With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast and spears Dan holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face, they basically decapitated. And I look over and there are two small, gray, entity pulling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster.

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Now, today's show is an overtime show. We're bringing on Deborah Hatswell from BBR Investigations in the UK. Debra and I had a great time talking for quite some time on this recording. We talked about Bigfoot Dogman, E.T., a bunch of stuff that she's been gathering since the 80s that's happening in the UK. It's an awesome show you're about to hear and to let you know we are doing this on YouTube today as well. So if you want to watch the video version of this where her and I are talking on video, head on over to the YouTube channel. The Confessionals, hit subscribe and watch the video of today's interview right there on the YouTube channel. So let's get to Deborah right now.

All right, today we got Deborah Hatswell on the show. How are you, ma'am? Very well, thank you, Tom. Thank you for asking me. I'm really glad you're here. You know, and I honestly, I don't remember exactly how I found you. I was sitting here in the office and I was looking something up. I almost feel like I was looking something up for my show on Apple Podcasts.

and I came across your show and, and I get ADD. Like, I just get distracted on things. And so, yeah, I decided to check out your podcast instead of doing whatever I was doing. And I'm sitting here listening to the episode. I was like, I think I want this lady on my show if she's willing. So I reached out to you and you were willing to come on. So thank you very much. No, you're welcome.

I have a tiny channel here in the UK. But people tend to find where, you know, I'm very lucky like that. So when you asked me to come on, I was overjoyed because I know that you have a massive following in the UK in Europe. So I thought there'd be lots of listeners out there that haven't heard of you or me, if you get rid of me. And it'd be a ace to do a compilation. But once I told people I was coming on, they were like, oh, I love that guy. Oh, I love that channel. I love that podcast.

So yeah, I think you made a half of Britain half of that's awesome. That's awesome. You know, it's funny because when you're recording and you put out shows, you never know who's listening and stuff. And when I was early in podcasting, I really looked at my, you know, geographical stats a lot and stuff. And over time, I'm just like, I guess people are listening. I don't know where they're at, though.

So it's really cool. So shout out to everybody in the UK that listens to the show and, you know, connects with Deborah as well. Deborah, let's first get into what you do as far as your organization that you founded and what you guys are doing. And then from there, I want to move into like the roots and the foundation of, you know, what got you going. But if you could, just give your everything a shout out here, you know, your podcast, your, you know, investigative community and all that. I started, 1982, building a community where, regardless of what you witness or whatever your experience is, you can reach out to them and you can make a report of it, because we'll touch on it later, but I had an experience when I was 15 and I realized that there was nobody really out there to help me with it. So we set up a business called BBR and that started out as British Bigfoot.

Because back in the day, that's all I was looking for, was their big foot witnesses in the UK. And I didn't expect to find any. And I found over 400 in the end. But as the years rolled on, I realized when I was, and you'll understand this. When you're interviewing somebody and maybe they've seen a cryptid or they've had experience with a reptilian, if you say to them, is anything else strange ever happened to you? Nine times out of ten that they'll say, well, actually, some you should say that. They'll have like maybe a paranormal report.

Sometimes lots of phenomenon happens to just one ordinary person. And I realized that we were separating these witnesses are offering to genres. So the big foot witnesses didn't mix with the paranormal lot and the paranormal lot mixed with the UFO. And I thought this is, we should get everybody talking because regardless of what you've seen and what you've experienced, You know what it's like to see something impossible. And sometimes it's really validating if somebody says, that's exactly what it was like for me. That was similar for me.

I think it's just helped him. So that's how the podcast started in the YouTube channel. And everything's on the BBR, Deborah Hapswell, just to make it as easy as possible for people to find me. In America, you have, and Canada, you have a massive understanding of Bigfoot and Sasquatch creatures. So you hear about it. In the UK, not so much up until about 10, something like that,

before it was a large subject. So you've not got many British people Googling the word big foot or stats watch. You're probably going to ask Wild Man or an Eighth Man. That pops up more than anything. So, yeah, as I say, so I started with that. And now, I think we have over 4,000 reports now. And if a new one comes in, like Hins today, we've had two. So while I'll do, are they in touch with an volunteer investigator who lives in that area

and they will go out and meet the witness and film the area, get size comparison, get, you know, have a look for prints, do everything that we can really to kind of find out what the person saw and get as much information as we can follow them. You know, I find it interesting too because you are in the UK. and when I first started doing this stuff back in, well, I started the podcast in 2017, but I started really dabbling into the communities in about 2015. And one of the things that I have consistently heard from people in the UK that are into these topics is that Bigfoot is not in the UK. And it's like this common, and I had, oh, I forget his name and that Andrew is something, I think. It was years ago,

I talked to this guy and he's in the UK and he investigates these things. And he does, you know, sea creatures and all that kind of stuff. But when I had him on, he, he, we broadcast the show and I got a noticeably amount of emails from people in the UK that listen. They're like, there's nothing here. There's absolutely nothing here. And so when I, when I hear people like you and him talking about this stuff. It just tells me that there's a shift. And when you said that there was in 2010, it seemed like there was a lot more interest and stuff. So it's a very new shift in, in the perception in the UK from what I said. Yeah. And honestly, before I saw what I saw, I would have agreed with them. I would have said it was absolutely ridiculous. It was

impossible. And there's no way whatsoever it could have happened. But that's all I was left with. just you've seen I was 50s I was completely and utterly terrorised if I had been in America I would have been able to spin that was a big foot

that was a Sasquatch something seven foot tall completely hair covered that looks like a man and an ape that had been pushed together in England there's nowhere to go with that

so it wouldn't fit with a UFO so I couldn't report it there it didn't fit in a paranormal sense he looked completely flesh and blood, but I'm not 100% that he was

because I didn't touch him, you know? So the hard issue I had was just being able to say to people I don't know what he was because we witnessed something, it doesn't make you an expert on it, you know, and your

listeners will say the same, if they've had an experience and they'll say, I had an experience with, you know, UFO, it's down to them to prove that experience. And I don't think it should be like that. I can't prove what happened that day. But you can't put 38 years of working effort into something.

You know, if it's just a made-up story, I've been planning these hopes for an awful long time, you know. And as I say, I would have said the same. I'd have said there's no way whatsoever that they could be in this country regardless of whether they're flesh and blood or their dimensional or a sentient being. And I can't say. that now. I just can't. I've spoken

to too many normal, everyday people, so postmen, people in the army, police officers, dog walkers, mass majority of dog walkers, unfortunately, that made these reports. And many of them will start with,

I don't even believe in this, but, you know, when I was out today, this is what happened. And then you can say, I normally at that point I'll say to them, try and get a really good description of what it looked like,

a really good description of the area, if I can. And then you're trying to guess. So somebody may say, for example, there's an area called Seckford in, it's a huge forest, has a road running through the middle of it. And most of the witnesses there said, bear, man, a bear that was a bear, up on two legs, a baboon that was up on two legs, or just a monster or a creature.

So nobody's mentioned the word, Bigfoot, but what they're all seeing fits the same description as Pache. So these large shoulders, little neck, a very neanderthal-like face, no hair on the face, but very dark leathery skin. But today's big hand that came in today, his description, I wrote it down, was long, shaggy gray hair and a white base. So the descriptions come in in all shapes and sizes and colors, just as we do in the U.S. and in Canada and Russia across Europe, because obviously we've had witnesses from Europe that have come forward as well. Yeah, you know, it's funny because people will say

that there's no, there's no Bigfoot in the UK, but I saw a baboon. Come on. That doesn't make sense either. But, you know, what you said earlier here, I absolutely agree with you, and I say it on the show several times, that my show is chronicling people's stories that they've been through everyday people. And it's not my job as the podcast host, and it's not the person telling their experience job to convince the whole world of what they saw. We just, we present a platform. We present a platform that allows people to share those stories. And then it's up to people who hear those stories to walk away, consider the story, and decide for themselves what they want to believe and how and how this all operates. Because the deeper you get in these topics, I know you

know this, the deeper you get into topics, the weirder it gets. And like you mentioned, I mean, how people, you know, they have similar experiences, but it's not, they're not talking about the same type of creature. And it's just like something, something's, a little off here. And to say that any of us are experts would be silly, very silly in my mind. Most definitely. I've got more questions now than I had in the beginning. I'll be honest. In the beginning, I just wanted to know what it was. What was it? But then you've got to answer the question. So, what are they? Where are they from? What do they? How do they breed? We get those questions across the world. The American researchers and investigators get them.

So, and they will probably attest with me when I say, you can take the best footprint that you can find, the best hair sample that you can find, and you put it in front of your purse, and someone will say that you faked it. You could drag one kicking and screaming out of the forest and put it on the 10 o'clock news in the UK, and some people out there would believe that I hoax it.

So I'm not out there to answer their questions. What I see is that, the 18 stone man that's built like a biking that's too scared to drive to work tomorrow and night because there's something that he's seen on the road or the soldier that's too scared to go and exercise his next week because what he's seen has happened while he's been on exercise.

He can't go to his sergeant and say, I've just seen a seven-foot hairy monster, you know? Because he'd just get laughed at it. It'd probably have to go for a medical or something like that. And I know I laugh then, but the amount there's people I've spoken to that have had to go to the doctor in the UK because they've experienced

something they can't explain. It's ridiculous. And it makes you feel like there's something wrong up here. And then people say to me, we'll prove it to me that they're in the UK. How do I do that? But if you're finding footprints

in America and we're finding them here, that's correlation. If you're finding shelters, as we call them, and we're finding them here, that's another correlation. If the witnesses are called describing them, they all look different, but there is a theme that runs along, isn't it? Really tall, really big, hairy, isn't a human? So if we're matching that to that, then I used to say to people,

well, if he's not here, then he's not in America, because you've got all the same stuff that we've got, and so are the Russians, you know, and so are the Polish, and then you start digging in, you find just a wealth that's just been hidden to the Brits. There's so many years where there's been no mention in our history of the Woodwolf, as he was called back then, just 17th century just everything stopped. So nobody talks about it, yeah.

Why do you think it stops like that? I mean, do you think there was an active push to stop the talk about it? Or do you think that, you know, something changed in the environment in the UK? I'm not really sure. I couldn't answer that because there's always been. a tall, hairy man of the woods always. But his names change with history. So as we've gone through, very much like in America,

you have the original names that we would call them. I'm not really sure what that would be. The Celtic name or an early English name, I think Sylvanus or something like that, which means grey in hair. We had, we called them Driers at one point, the original name for Druids. and the reason they call them

a tree answer because he said they were half men and half trees and could be both at the same time. Wow. But there's even

Tony, it's even tiny, minuscule things that people aren't mentioned who don't know about this tree people that they do this hunched position

almost guerrilla-like you speak to witnesses and you try and embellish and they will pull you back so you'll say did it have like a really white chest? No, it did not have a white chest. And you think they're being honest,

they'd correct them. They want me to get it as perfect as absolutely possible. And I'm more than happy to do that for anyone. So I do what you do. I say, do want to come on the show? Do you want to talk privately? I don't mind, you know. It's only an hour of my son, I really don't mind.

And that's how we've ended up here all these years later. Wow. Wow. Yeah, and you even mentioned earlier about the white face. That's something that I had a report of not far from where I live. And the guy that I went out, he took me out to the location, him and his brother, this was years ago before I was even podcasting. And, you know, the area that he took me to, I was in back then, I was like, how could a, how could something like this be hiding in this area? It was very populated and stuff. And then over the years, I started hearing more stories that, I'm about 45 minutes from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and it's a huge city. And I'm getting, I've gotten people telling me that they've seen things even closer to the city. I had this one kid. He was about 12 or 13 years old, like panicking, reaching out to me on Facebook years ago because he had just seen something that he couldn't describe.

And I told him, I said, listen, man, like, I need to talk to your parents first before I talk to you. you know, but, but yeah, his parents let me talk to him and everything and they backed up to back up his story as to what he told them. But anyways, let's make a transition here. And so this is kind of foundation of how things got started for you guys over there. But you have a personal story that kind of really jumped you into this. And if you could, just kind of tell us what you experienced. Yeah, no problem. Before it happened, I didn't know about before. Or it. It was 1982 in England, so at the time we had three television channels. That was it.

That's what we had. So compared to America, it's not the same. So I never really heard of it or anything like that. And I didn't know that that's what it was. It took me still in my 30s to kind of put that together. I didn't want to go to school. It was a lovely summer day. We'd been in in the morning.

And I didn't want to go in the afternoon. So I skipped school, my friend. And my old school, was, it looked like something out of Harry Potter. It's an old Edwardian mansion, really, really old. And it's in its own set of Parkland, Browns. And back in the day, it was like there was streams and fountains and all of that, but it just went to Racking Ruyn.

And it was really heavily overgrown. And there was lots of, like, Ivy and Rhododendium. And we sneaked into what we call the Ivy Den. And we were in there having a quick fag. But we were lay on the floor talking to each other like this. So there's all this greenery around us And I noticed something moved And I thought it was going to be a teacher

And we were caught, you know So that was the about I wouldn't, that really wasn't That shook me much when I was 15, you know But as I looked I kind of made eye concept with this thing And that's the only way I can say it And he lay out at the bush like this

And just looked at me And I looked at him And I started screaming and I don't know why I did this it was without thought I pushed my friends to the floor so that he'd get her and not me and I start off running

and I looked back to see if he was coming after me and she was running in the opposite direction and he wasn't there so he must have just melded back into that bush but it was it is impossible it cannot have happened but it did

and it just I can describe his face the amount of arguments I've had inside my head with that face and just trying to get rid of it, just trying to come up with a reason. I wanted somebody to say to me. Or it was just hysterics, or it was just a man in a zoo,

or, you know, nobody ever explained it away. He was about seven feet tall, seven and a half feet tall. He was huge, these huge jaw muscles, really big muscles here, very pronounced brow. nowhere on his face, just a little bit of bumflop, like a teenage boy he'd have there. His teeth were human-like, they didn't have canines or anything like that,

they were flat and normal like a human being. His nose is like a boxer, kind of flat to his face, but still upturn at the same time. And he just looked at me, that's all he did. He didn't do anything, but that was enough. I was absolutely terrified. I don't even remember running home.

I remember coming to on the main road and that's probably 15 minutes running I have no memory of that I just remember coming to you on the road and realise it that I had to cross another bit of parkland and it was really really high

it was about 9, 10 feet high and I just thought I'm not going through there there in there that was the thought I'm not going through there they'll be in there so I went the long way home ran through the door crying and screaming and my mum said get upstairs and get your uniform off your dad being in in a minute

and that were it and I was like, Mum, mum, I've seen this thing I've seen this thing and she was just like Debbie just go upstairs and get changed so when my dad come in I told me dad and my dad's a big man he works on the docks, he's absolutely huge he used to tear apples apart

with his hands as a trick from his kids at something and he looked like he could have just flipped my dad and I was terrified fine and I kept saying to my dad, Dad, it was a man. It was a man. And he was like, even when we talked about just before and past, he said,

I know that you were scared. I knew me where you know when your kids are scared and you know when your kids are lying. And I used to go back to school the next day. And I don't know how I did that. I don't know how I did it. I asked everyone, I asked the local mayor if he knew what it was. And I just asked everybody. And everybody looked at me like, I was.

a completely utter idiot or you know what's wrong with the kind of thing now all these years on there's seven other people that have seen it other than me and they're not people i know or people that i found Thomas markham runs an american blog called the cryptocry and a lady reached out to him in um 2014 and she said she came from england she lived in lancashire where I live. And she remembers a young girl who saw a monkey man in the park and everybody in the...

We don't live in a big town it's about 2,000 people. Like everybody in the town kind of ridiculed her and she said, but I saw what she saw. And she saw him in except with the same place as me.

But she saw all of him. It was two years after. I was in the summer of 82. Burns was in the winter of 84 and she said, he had no neck. She said he looked like a man and a chimp together. He was clearly male.

You could see male genitalia. And he was completely hair-covered, but you could see his skin through his hair, and I would agree with that. She described him as really, really dark in colour, and I would agree with that as well. But I remember where the sun was shining him, I remember thinking about it,

and it was almost arbor. But in the terror of it all, you don't take any of that in. I mean, I sat down years after. with an American artist called Alex Evans and she helped me put a photo fit together of him as close as I could get it, like kind of as close. And it was then, and I said to it,

he had a bit of redness to it, almost, I don't know, I like Auburn, I'd say, the colour of Auburn. And there's been others, he's a gentleman who was out on the mighty bike. For all, it's a town, I should explain, that it has a river valley that run, through it and that river valley takes you up to the mountain range and you can go to Scotland or to Wales or to the northeast and there's numerous accounts on that line.

So I spent the rest of the next 30 years trying to track out how he got there, how he could possibly be there, how I saw him and other people hadn't seen him at that point. And then I just got on the CB radio and I started just asking truckers if they'd seen anything on the road or I'd write to a local newspaper in a random town and say, you haven't seen anything strange when you've been out and about? Desperation. True, though.

Put it anywhere, just anywhere. And then in 2013, 2014, something like that. I'm trying to find, someone's to get online and see if you can find a photo that's close to him. So I'm looking like Neanderthals and Idol Against this and anything down the hominy, in that line. And I've seen this face, oh, and it's a sight to the monster, quite a famous case in America.

And they could be brothers. Not exactly the same. But, oh, enough to make me shrug the last. So it was awful. It's like I'd gone right back there that day. And it didn't matter. Who had interviewed between now and then? I was back as that 15-year-old.

They were so frightened. And I didn't realize how much it affected me until my children started to say to me, Mum, you never took us near the woods when we were kids. And my older daughter said, do you not remember that time when they heard that? I heard a really strange growl and you picked me up and you ran with me.

And I said, no, I don't remember that at all, sweet time. And she said, you did. We were on holiday with granddad. And we was at a seaside, so it's not a woodland or anything. And she said, I heard a growl in the bushes, and I picked her up. She'd be about three or four. I put her under me on and ran. I said, no, I don't remember that.

So I don't know if I've just blocked them out, you know, over time kind of thing. But I'd never took me kids to the woods. And I thought, oh my Lord, I've got my world's gone down to this tiny bubble because of this fear. What do I do? And straight up, my husband said to me, you do you want to see things?

You put it down and walk away forever. And don't ever think about it again. Or find out what it is, Deb. I'm really good at like looking for stuff. So he said, just do what you do and find out. So that's what I did. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, one, I think it's really cool that your husband said that.

And so I know there's a lot of people out there that have experiences and stuff and their spouses don't believe them or they don't want anything to do with it. Sounds like you have a supportive husband. You even said some things in the email when we were talking that made me feel that way. Now, with your experience, in the initial experience, you said you pushed your friend down and you ran and your friend ran like in the opposite direction. Did you ever connect with your friend to see if they saw it? Are they still friends with you? Because, okay, because I mean.

It's a tiny town. So I went to her wedding. She came to my wedding. We've both got grandchildren now. She has no interest in it whatsoever. She calls him the gorilla man. but it didn't have the, he's scared or don't get me wrong, but she was able somehow to just put it away.

No interest in whatsoever, but we had very different lives going up, so she's from the town, and for all I'm from the town. My parents just used to take us away every weekend, or we'd go, you know, we'd go fishing and we'd just go away. Any time my dad would get out of town, and that's what we did. So I don't know if that's why it affected me more, because I stopped all that at that point.

But no, she's a very, very long time ago. I was looking on, I thought, I'm going to ask people at the school. And every friend's year united is a school site. So I'm going to go on there and I'm going to say, does anybody remember the griller man in the park? And she popped up and she went, yeah, I do. And honestly, this is the answer to the answer to shut the laptop. And I thought, no, I can't do that.

It was like, it was real again. But, you know, so no. people think she's this big secret. She's on my Facebook friends. She's got no interest in it whatsoever at all. And that's what we see a lot of times too with encounters that people have. You know, they can have experiences with other people, but the way you react to it is completely different.

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At what point did you establish BBR investigation and start collecting these reports? I mean, so your experience happened in 82. Was it years later? No, I started collecting the reports as soon as I coach, but I didn't find any until I probably 16, 17th, or probably two years after and I got in touch with

like I say, truckers. So I was getting reports from some people of these, like the road crossing these typical road crossing creature. Why that happens? I don't know because if you're just staging in the shrubberer with drive past, we'd never see it.

So the half of me sometimes since they're not accidental. But I'd be hearing from truckers that were way out on like lonely single roads in Scotland or Wales up in the island and they'd be making these reports banged on the cabs when they're asleep

things being taken a couple of them had seen what they describe as hairy man up right to you like hairy man walk across the road in front of them so a lot of my first ones were like that so and they fit because they're way out in the countryside

And I just did that for as long as I can. I think when I got to BBR, I probably only had about 11 or 12 other than mine. But the internet started then. So I was like, right, I can just take this running. I thought it'd be dead easy. I thought I'd just put it in a search engine and it'd answer all my questions and it didn't.

So you start looking to be foreign and anyway, you can't search in words that you think. So you're like, Wildman. And I'd already. at that point knew that I thought, well, it's really like what they've got in America. Not exactly the same, but really like. So I'm going to go down the big foot corridor.

He was a chap in the UK that had already started BB. It was his interest. He'd gone to America as a child and had an experience. And he came back here and he was running the group. And he just, I think he'd just done enough. He wanted to pursue with the paranormal side of things. And he just said to me, Debbie, do you want to take it over? And I was like, yeah, Cussar Day.

And I found Char May. I can't remember if Ian was first or Charmaine, because I met them both in the same six months. Ian was an ordinary builder from Yorkshire. He was walking his dog, but I'd have to stay at night. He's walking down a farm lane. So he said there's forest on this side and farms on this side. The dog reacts first, starts barking and yelper.

He's looking for a fox or a rabbit or something, and he said this thing steps out of the tree line. It's about eight feet tall, completely hen. covered, really thick shoulders. And I asked him what his face was like, and he said, he kind of kept his face in the shadow, and I don't really remember facial features. But what I do remember is it looked left and as if to say,

don't step out. And he was so shocked. He said the dog was running at it and barking at it. And he said, I don't know how I did it, but I just turned around and walked off as calmly as I could. but he said I went alright

which is the normal Yorkshire higher that's how they say hello hi they go and that's what

you did to it because he was in so much shock he just did that so then he's out there he's searching for other witnesses in the UK

so then we're like well do you want to hear my this is what happens to me and he's like and that's how we came up

with the the green corridor I think can I get from his report in the north east to my

in the North West without hitting the town. Well, I can if I follow the river, but stay on that river and I can avoid all towns. So then we find Charmaine. Charmaine's eight at the time, which is in the 40s now, very academic. She lived, her grandparents lived in the highlands of Scotland, so really, really fast out there.

Now it's a sick of plantation, but back then it was natural forest. She said it's about half a mile down the farm. farm pass to the main road to get the mail and that's what she's doing. She's walking down with the dog and the dog reacts first and she said I'm looking for a fox or something that's come

out of the farm and I turn and she sees this, she only sees him from behind and she says it's completely hair covered, is my eight feet tall and he's holding on to a branch examining a leaf like this and she runs in and she tells grandma and grandma says, oh

that's just the ginger hour like it was nothing. So A couple of months later, yeah. A couple of months later to driving Mac in the car, and she said, this is just this humanoid shape in the middle of the road. It's dark. But it's just stood there, this illuminated hominid

and none of the adults commented on it at all. And she said there was another time when they were picking raspberries and this howl came up the valley and all of the parents got them all together and brought them back home. And like I said, she studied the hominid line for, like,

me, she studied whatever she could to find out. So you've got three people and you've got a nice little base going. So it's like we can lean on each other. She's finding reports in Scotland. I'm finding reports in England. And my daughter said to me, we were pinning them on the map, actually pinning them on a wall map at the time. So you couldn't keep any information with it.

Just the pin point. And I want to know what else is it like I'm going to dig. Is there any holes being reported on that area at any point? Screaming woods are a good one. I always looked for reports of a screaming when I think, right, that's where we need to be looking. And then she just went from there. We found Jazz.

He was seven. He was waiting to watch how the West was won once on the afternoon. One of those homes, like most of us, where it stops your house is the last, and then it steals and farms and rivers and woodlands. Very like mine. That's where he is.

He looks to the side of him and this is just chimp-faced. looking in the window at him. And he was so frightened by it that he drew it. He sat at the picture table and drew it. And went to school and showed it the teacher the day after. Wow. Yeah, that's enough to terrify kids.

I mean, you know, coming across something examining a leaf that you had no idea to even exist and then it's peering in a window. That's terrifying. It's something that we didn't mention earlier, mentioned earlier, and I want to bring up, I might be wrong in the number, but you guys have about 250 researchers right now with BBR. Is that right? Yeah, yeah, probably more. We've got a couple in America, some in Australia, across Europe.

It's free. We don't ask for any money or anything like that. And a lot of people join just because they like a podcast. They like the subject. They want to talk to like many people. And then that's why we do like a biweekly live feed. Just so they can chat. I'll just wait around.

And they just chat to each other in the chat. We meet up once a month in a different town across the country. So our next one's on Saturday. We'll go. We'll just have a cup of tea. Witnesses come out. Investigators come out. And if a report comes in an area,

so like today, one's coming from the Medway. And the Medway is just south of London. So you wouldn't think that anything would be coming in there. Well, the River Medway has 16 reports along it of upright, tall, hairy men. So what I will do tonight is I look for a researcher or an investigator in that area who's happy to go out and have a chat with this man and that's how we do it. And then they take the report, that comes back to me

and then I release it on the podcast and invariable we get. I was listening to the podcast and it made me think about an incident that happened much, you know, many years ago now you've made me think about it in a different way. So we get a lot of historical reports as well. But they're still important. They build up that knowledge base, you see. Yeah, absolutely important. So you guys are actually meeting with the people face-to-face then.

Yeah, whenever we can, as often as we can. We've got a good little community going now. So anyone that comes in that's new, I'm not one for telling them what they've seen. I want them to know every single theory that's out there and their option and opinion. And then work that out of it. themselves. So I don't just introduce them to say what I would call a flash and blood

investigator where they're out there looking for print, physical. I will put them in touch with him, but I'll also put them in touch with a number of other people who have different opinions because you might have to taste all of the flavors before they decide. And as you say, some just walk away, they're not interested and others get a real, real, they get a lot from it, I think. I mean, I do. It's just really nice to be able to talk to people. about the subjects that we like without them giving in a side aisle. I totally understand. I totally understand. So it seems like Bigfoot has been a huge, obviously, I mean, just judging by the name of it,

it's been a big motivating factor for the organization. For you personally, now, I know everybody has their own flavor that they like. And so some people, their favorite encounter stories are when it's terrifying that they're or some people, their favorites are, you know, did you see amazing detail? What kind of experiences have come across your desk over the last however many years that really stand out to you? It's like, that is one of my, I don't know if the right word is favorite, but that is an encounter story that we received that really just stands out to me.

There are so many of them, but I would say Derek, Derek lives down on the medway. he's really old now he's in his like 70s but this one really tugged at me it really really does but when I said to you back in the day

I'd be on the radio CB radio anything that I could and I met him and he was from up in the north-west where I live but he was down

on the medway and he's telling me that he's when they first moved down there you got to understand it's not that far after the war so he's come from a city and he's moved to a really

rural area in the middle of nowhere. And he said, his wife was really frugal, so she'd stretch a pound as far as she could stretch it. But anything that they got or anything that he caught when he was poaching, because it's illegal to hunting the UK. We're not allowed to do it. So anything he got that he poached or fished, she would put half of it in the wood for the caretakers. And he said, for the first 10 year, he thought they were actual caretakers, like people who worked on the land and stuff. And he said, but it really annoyed him. Because if you'd catch like four trout, you'd have to give to the line.

She insisted on it because she said that for all the time, the farm had been in the family for probably five generations, and it had never failed. And it had never failed because we did be certain rituals where they would take it. She'd pick Blackberries. She'd leave ours there and she'd go on and it and it kind of works. And she, one night, he started down and he said, honestly, I thought something was going on

because she'd keep nipping off to the woods without me. And she said to him, have you, when you've been fishing or you've been outside, have you ever seen anything, you know, like, that looks like a monkey. And he's like,

don't be ridiculous. And they had a row, he said, and he had a really bad realm. He hadn't had an argument like that up to that point in the marriage. And she said to him, come with me and I'll show you.

And he was like, right, okay, I will. And he said, she storms into this woodland. And she's like, right, come out. And he said, nothing happened, nothing happened at all. And he said, I made the worst mistake of my life. You know that thing that you do when you checked to see somebody's ill.

Yeah. He put his hand on her head as if you said, you're all right, sweet sat. And he said, she went home and she wouldn't speak to me. But I've never seen her that upset. I've never seen her that upset at all. And they just, after about four days of silent dinners, he just decided to just let it drop and not talk about it again. But he said she was really depressed and down about it.

And unfortunately, about five, six years later, she passed away. And he went through a really bad time. And he said he was just drinking just to get to sleep. And I think they'd been married at that point for like 40, 50 years or something, you know. And he just couldn't cope without her. And he said the one thing that kept him going was she loves the garden. And he knew that if he didn't do the garden, she'd be heartbroken, no, she wasn't there. So that's what he started doing.

He said to get himself out of it, go out and then he'd go out. garden. And he said one day he's working in the garden and he's seen something really fast run between the farm and the garage. So he presumed it was someone coming to Nick the generator because that'll happen a lot here on the land rover or whatever it is. He coming to Nick. So he runs to the house as fast as he can and there's nothing there, nothing there at all. So he said, I sit down, I have a cup of sea, I like the fire, I'm looking out the window. He said, and I see the back end of something go under the fence. He said, I don't suppose I can say. I'll say, I'll say,

ass, a hairy ass. He said it was probably, I thought it was a teenage barbill, you know, went underneath the fence. And he said, I run to the window and I slicked and I went down. When the time I got up, it had gone. Over the next three or four years, he starts seeing them a bit more. So they're like popping out from behind trees and stuff like that.

And he said, he's this really big old one. And he used to see him with a really big old grey theme. I never said what, he never put a word in Switzerland, but they. And he said, then one day you realised that she was right, Lily was right, all those years that she told him

and he'd never, ever believed her. And there he was looking at him himself. And he just said, that's my biggest regret, is that we could have done this together. So I think that's the one that sits with me. Yeah. And he got sad,

because we're still in touch. And he said, I've seen the old man today, Debbie. He's on the zone. She's not with him this year. Because I know in America it's the same, we kind of go off somewhere and then you'll get lots and lots of activity and then it'll put people quite from once at home,

and then it'll start up again. And he said, yeah, he's on his own. I've seen him, not seen her this year. She's not. So that's quite sad. But, yeah, we're still in touch. I talk to him quite often. He is lovely.

But he lives where these 16 other people, before he seen them. Wow. So. Yeah, that is sad. I mean, it's almost like his life, his life path went the same as these creatures as well, where they both lost their significance and other. And that's a sad story. I was hoping for something more peppy. But I, uh, so I'm assuming after he had that experience or these ongoing experiences stuff. I imagine, like you said, he has that regret and things like that. Does he feel a sense of connection to these things because she had...

Yeah, I was wondering about that. Yeah, I think so because obviously he's not drinking anymore. So clearly he's got better throughout the industry. You don't remember with the interaction. I think it was just... I think the argument hung between them a lot. because I think they were because they were so nearly wet

and he's not believed you I think that that's what I got from it with him and I said to him you've got to let that go you were both young you've found with only 20

or something like that you know we make mistakes it's okay I was found a footprint a perfect footprint toes movement the whole nine yards

and my husband drawn to it went like that with a stick across it And oh, oh, that was there. Yeah. So we all make mistakes, you know, that's what I said to him. But there are some, there are some funny ones,

and there are some that are just scarer, even though there's no actual attacks. I'm going to say, we don't get these reports of people being killed, but that doesn't mean that people don't go missing because they do. But there's like a distraction that goes on, so things will be thrown, noises will be made, running feet, almost like a bluff charge. You get an awful lot of that.

But there are the odd places in the UK where there's a high level of cryptids and there's a high level of missing males. You've got to be honest, that does happen. Missing males, really? Yeah, yeah. There's one in the new forest, down in the new forest. I don't know how this happens in America,

but we have a turn that is no suspicious circumstances. And that means that basically that's what the police say when they don't know what happened. So down in the forest, we've got a lot of dogman reports, K-9 reports, that kind of thing. And they find a trainer, which is a sports ship with a stop and a foot within it and a half of the cast bow. But that was declared no suspicious circumstances. So there's nothing suspicious about this. It's a natural death. Don't worry, but there's nothing to see here.

I don't know that because he didn't have the rest of the body. Where I live, a similar thing, you've got along the river, you've got an awful lot of cryptic reports, and there's a massive number of missing men, or men that are pulled from the canal, as we call it. And there was a lady's leg found, just the leg, just the bottom half of the leg. And they said, oh, it's just no suspicious circumstances. There's nothing going on here.

a year later, probably 20 mile upstream, they find lots of garbage bags with her body parts in. So the legs obviously broke. Animals have opened the bags and it's coming down. Still, no suspicious circumstances. So naturally, she chopped herself up and put her in those bags itself and tied them up. That's what you're dealing with in the UK. So whether there's any real attacks, we just wouldn't know they would cover it up.

yeah it definitely sounds like it uh yeah if that's not suspicious then bigfoot definitely wouldn't be suspicious you know and it kind of goes along with another lady i was uh i was trying to connect with her to be on the show and uh and she declined actually um but this was UFO and i'm not exactly sure when it happened but she actually saw um military aircraft i would assume a helicopter shoot down a UFO. Are you familiar with that story at all? No, no, but it just surprised me whatsoever, yeah. Because her whole motivation,

because she's not into any of this kind of stuff. But after what she saw, she is like, I want the truth to be put out there that our government, our military, shot one of these things down, and they were not acting aggressive in any way. And so she has an angle where she, feels it sounds like she feels very sympathetic to the craft. But I reached out to her to have her

on the show. And she said initially yes. And then I think she looked at my website and saw that I talk about things other than UFOs. And she's like, none of that exists. This guy's crazy. You know, because she was like she was so new to all this stuff that all she knew is the UFO that she saw get shot out of the sky. And I think she was just like, I don't want to talk to this guy. You know, so that is what it is. Maybe she'll hear this interview. Well, that's her. They're lost. Who lost.

I mean, I got that in the beginning and I'd get people saying, why are you interviewing him? He's not at a big foot report. Well, it doesn't matter. Does it matter? I've never seen a dog man, but I spoke to thousands of people who have. You know, we've been traumatized by it. I've never had a UFO experience,

but I can categorically tell you that I have spoken to witnesses that have had implants that have lost an hour and a half the time And if I had ball bearings in the neck or in the toe or strange bruises, my husband had an experience with a UFO when he was about 21. And he had to read friends with him at the time when he happened. And he's got a triangular scar on his arm. So for all I've never seen one, I absolutely 100% believe that he did. You know, I just wasn't there.

But I know when my husband's telling me the shirt. So he has a triangle-shaped scar on his arm. Wow. And he's out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's easy.

He's just going past and set the dog out. But yeah, it was about 21, right? Yeah, 21. And it was about 1 o'clock in the morning, and there was him, three of his friends. What, one, they used to, these little shocks here, but back then, they'd shut at 8 o'clock. So if you needed, like, anything, you'd have to walk, sort of motorway, which I think you guys call it, a freeway. Mm-hmm. So you'd have to walk.

to a service station really and that's what they were doing. All kind of lost consciousness at different parts of the walk but all came to, describe it for me again. In a star shape or head to head. In a star shape all head to head on top of an ancient barrow. There was a light above them. And it shot off.

It did a really strange movement. And then it shot off to Winter Hill, which is a massive aerial, a big satellite thing that you can. We live between Judge Lopank and Winter Hill, so there are a lot of aerospace stuff goes on there. And that were it. But he didn't tell me anything about that until he was probably in his late 30s,

early forces. He just didn't want to talk about it, did you? But luckily now, I mean, I've interviewed the three men that were with him and they all give him separately the same story. And then I found other people that have seen something here. A young lady saw it on the same motorway. She was driving with a family when they saw it around her at the same time. So that's how I got into the UFO side of things.

He was trying to find answers for Mark really. Because he had a missed an important bit out. When they got, he said when they came through, it was like they were drunk kind of a bit. And he said, we didn't really talk about it on the way on. We just walked home. and didn't really talk about it between themselves at all. It was almost like unspoken about.

And they had an hour and a half of missing time. Wow. So with the missing time idea for him, is the assumption that there was an abduction that was happening there? Or what has he concluded? I don't know. I said to it. Would you want to know?

Because one of the things we're trying to set up at the moment is one of the members of BBI is actually done her hypnotherapy course. So we're not at no point that we're going to put people under regression. But you can do some relaxing techniques so that we could do that with them. And then when we were me interviewing,

you tend to find you yet a bit more information out of it. So I said to him, would you be willing to do that? And he said, no. He doesn't know what a scarier, not knowing what happened or knowing what happened. And that's how he left it.

It was like, it's the lesser of two evils, in it? You know? Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. That's actually something that a lot of people say, you know, when they're faced with the option of regression therapy and we're not, they, a lot of times people choose not to because what they remember makes them feel so uneasy.

They don't want to remember anything else. Even though you and I, as the people who record these people's experiences stuff, we would love to know more. The chances of that ever happening for some people is very slim. I'd love to be regressed. I would love to go back to that day. and kind of look at it with adult eyes. And I made him bigger. I'd made him scarier in any way.

You know, just to be able to look at him and not run and just taking everything that I could. Yeah, I'd love to do it. Is there anybody in the UK that could do that for you? I mean, have you come across anybody that would? Yeah, a couple of chaps have tried, but I just didn't go under. I'm not everybody susceptible to.

There are some people it will work really well on. But I'm hoping because it's my friend that's done it and we already have a trusting relationship. I said to where you do me because it might work because I trust her. It might be easier. I think I'm so frightened of going back that sometimes I kind of

I think I forced myself out of it the last two times to get one of me and it's like you're going to the dentist you've got to do it. But when you're in the chair, you want to run and I think that's what maybe what I was doing. Being honest.

Yeah. No, that makes sense a lot, actually. And, you know, I definitely, I definitely understand that because there has, I've never been regressed. I don't think I have anything to regress about. But, you know, maybe one day I will. But the thought of it, though, always has gotten me curious as to how it works because people talk about how, you know, puts you in this relaxed state. And I'm a kind of an uptight, tense person to begin with. trusting people, especially people that I don't know, is very hard for me. And so I always wonder if I'd be one of those people that wouldn't be very successful with a regression therapy.

Possibly. I mean, possibly. We relaxation here is a bit better. So I tend to say to people, whatever it is that you zone out on. So for some people it's music, or others it's running or riding in a bag. That when you're at your most relaxed,

it's probably the best time. If you're going to give an interview to someone or you, if you're nervous, just do it when you really, really relaxed because I think it's just much easier. I just think, I've seen it work to people. So I'll say to people, if you paint, before we speak, just go on paint for an hour or two, just so that you're absolute relaxed,

and I'll let you lead the conversation. It's kind of put it in their hands. I'm not going to ask you any trick questions. Because people are really nervous about being interviewed, aren't there? They really are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is definitely true.

I've had that experience as well. Yeah. I think my most relaxed is I tend to zone out sometimes when I'm editing my audio and I forget I'm supposed to edit it. And I'm just like 15 minutes goes by and I'm just listening. I'm like, wait a second. I forgot. I'm supposed to be working on this.

That's me. I do. I think I don't remember hearing that. So you just. carry on. Don't you think, oh, 20 minutes

was gone back and go back to that bit and start again. That's the best bit, I think. I get really

relaxed on a medicine. I like the editing it kind of turns my brain off from it all if you get what I mean.

Yeah. I like kind of sourcing an image of something. I'm really trying to find an image that will fit perfect.

Because my art skills are useless. So, true. They really, really are. But I like, I just think

everybody has a story. Whether it be a cryptic one or whatever. Not everybody has, every person in the world has a really good story in them that you could sit and drink your coffee with and listen to it. Yeah.

You know, people have amazing stories, aren't they? They really do. And it's really just everybody's an individual. They all have their own life experiences. And it's just, I don't know.

I think that people need to just get more comfortable in their own skin to be able to share some of this stuff because it's really hard to come to terms with. There's a guy I just talked to last night, and his girlfriend had some really incredible experiences. But, you know, to get her to come and talk to me, I mean, she knew he was going to be interviewing with me. She knows who I am. She listens to the show.

But to get her to talk to me, he says, like, pulling teeth. And so, you know. I understand. I really do understand that. Yeah, when we were chatting an email, if you remember, I speak to you about my Randy, who was in BC, in Canada. And I presumed that it was really, really easy to make a fast watch report if you were from America, from Canada.

I thought people were shouting for the stories. And he's never really shared with anyone but me. And I think because he just used to listen to my channel, and he just said he just enjoyed my voice or he'd listened to the channel. And his wife said, just message her, just send her a message and ask, his fast watch encounters because he's had two are absolutely mind-blowing

absolutely mind-blowing so why nobody would take them in America I can only presume it's because he didn't fit the mould because what you've got is you've got a guy that's native to that area

so he's been out there forever, he's in his 50s now so he works with bears so he counts bear population he hunts his own food you know pretty stuff he lives up on the slave lake which is not that far in American terms from Yellowknife

but in English shows it's a long way he was out hunting and he said he parked the car about five miles away and he'd walked in and he said he heard this noise like this screaming awful noise and a moose came running out of the woodline and he said his eyes were rolling I was terrified

I thought it was going to kill me And on the back of it was what he described as a creature, this thing that looked like a caveman, was on the back of this moose. And he said, I didn't even think to pick me gun up, he never entered my head. I thought, if you see me, I'm dead. So he just kind of backed out slowly.

And he said, where he left it was the creature at this, like the noose's neck in its arm, and he had it down to the ground like this. And he said, I don't even know I got back to the car. He said, and I got in a car and I drove and I stopped about a mile down the road and I just couldn't put it together what I think it's probably in his father

as his first time he'd ever seen anything outrageous like that and it really shook him, really, really shock him and then so he said he started going closer to Edmonton when he was hunting, he went with his boys and he said, we get through this bit in the forest and it looks like every single tree's been trashed He's just not a tree standing up anywhere.

He said, and as we're looking, we see this bear coming over the rise. And he said, I work with bears, Debate. When bears walk along, they sniff the air, they move their head like that, and they sniff the air, this was walking like urine. And as it came over the crest, you realized it was on two legs. And it didn't see them. And he said, when it did suddenly realize that they were there, it kind of turned on a dime, was his expression.

So it's kind of gone like, oh, like really cartoonish. Gone behind his tray, he said he flopped to his belly and crawled out backwards. And that, if I hadn't taken that report, we just got completely lost. It just, we wouldn't know about it now. That's amazing. That's amazing. So he sees, the first time he sees one, it's hunting a moose. And the next time he sees one, he's the one hunting.

And he catches it off guard. and it hides, it jumps to its belly and crawls away. Flat seat's belly and crawls away. And people out there that are really unsuccessful, which will have heard that motion. And then plenty of times. They had it got from flat on the floor straight up,

from straight up, right down onto the belly. And on both times, he was terrified, absolutely terrified, and he had a weapon on him, and he said it didn't even enter his head because it was just what he was seeing was just so big. So I thought, I'll never be able to eat. It's vast out there. I'll never be able to find another report so I can say to him, look.

And it did by 10 mile in Mitsum. He's a man and a woman driving a car with the kids in the car, and they see exactly the same thing that he describes in the woods, watching them from behind a tree like this. So I was able to say to him, look, there's somebody else in the area that's also seen something similar to you. So I would imagine, because I was like, I'm hoping that you'll chat with him, you'll get far more details out of him.

Because I don't really have an understanding of America and hunting laws and the stuff that he taught me was absolutely amazing. He said there was another time when he shot a deer in long grass. He said, and he went over to get it. It was completely gone. He said there was like no drag mark. There was no sign of the deer running out. It was just nothing.

They did just completely balanced. Yep. That's something we hear about a lot. Once you shoot your deer, you better get on a quick. Yeah. Because there's other things out there they're going to take it, not even just Bigfoot, but you got to track that thing fast. Well, I would say this.

I mean, you know, if Randy's listening right now, I would love to talk to him. And if you want, go ahead and reach out to him and stuff and see if he'd want to talk to me because that would be absolutely up for something like that. He would. He most definitely will. And we're keeping touch, because you always keep in touch. We're just keeping touch, and he'll give me the odd update as a friend.

So we're not really talking about big foot or anything like that. It's like the kids and the dogs and things like that. He's a lovely chap. He really, really is. And I just thought, it's strange that there's all those people across America that could have taken his report. And he's only felt comfortable with this little old lady in the north-east of England. You know, but you see what I mean?

It's a strange world, isn't it? That we live in. It really is. but always is. The technology of today bridges the gap so much, you know, there's so many people that have access to you and your show, your organization because of the internet. The internet is the reason why you even, you know, started looking back into the whole thing, right? I mean, you said that you kind of died off and then so. Yeah, it did. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. The internet does, it does some amazing things. Deborah, would you be interested in doing another

hour or so with us for overtime talking about dog man reptilians and stuff? Yeah, of course. Yeah. That's not a problem. Awesome. Well, listen, before we get out of here for the first hour, could you let people know again where they could find your podcast, your YouTube channel, and where they can report things to you?

I made it as easy as I can. If you just put my name into your role, just put Deborah Hatswell and BBR and I will cop up. But I will, obviously, I'll give you my email and a couple of links that we can put into the description to make it easy for people. Fantastic. Fantastic. All right, Deborah, thanks for being here for the first hour. You're very welcome. I really enjoyed it.

Well, that's sure, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where or how you share the show. Just share the show if you enjoyed it because that's the best thing you can do to help this show grow down the road. And again, friends, let you know we are doing the YouTube as well. So go ahead and hit subscribe on the Confessionals YouTube channel and watch today's interview if you want. You know you listen to it just now, but if you want to watch it, go over to the YouTube channel.

You can see my ugly mug and Deborah's wonderful glowing face. And I also want to let you guys know on my trip to Kentucky in two weeks from now. I'm going to Kentucky to hunt the dogman. I've been talking about it. I want to let you guys know if you're following me on YouTube, you'll be able to catch live videos on YouTube of that trip on the way down. I will not be able to stream in the woods even if I wanted to, which I can't because it will be no cell phone reception whatsoever.

But I will be streaming period. on the trip down doing some live videos and stuff while I drive so you guys can keep me company because it's like a 10 hour drive and I'm going to be doing it all by myself leaving around two, three o'clock in the morning. It's going to be an early morning for me driving through the day to get down to Kentucky and start this investigation. And if you want to watch some of the live videos that I'll be doing on YouTube, go ahead and subscribe to the YouTube channel. And last but not least, before we get out of here, I just want to remind you, we do have a PO box. I did post it on the website. and I've been posting it around on social media, but I'll let you know right now.

The P-O-box number is Sweet 361. That's ST-E-361. And the address is 88 Glocker Way. So that's 88 Glocker-Way, G-L-O-C-K-E-R, Glocker Way, Potsetown, Pennsylvania, 19-4-665. So if you guys want to mail any goodies and stuff like that, I've said it before on the show. People over the years have been asking for an address to send me stuff, and I've always given my home address. but now I'm just starting to think, you know, it might be time to actually get a P.O. box,

and that's what I did. So there you go. Sweet 361-88 clock away. Pots Town, PA, 19465. Go ahead and mail anything you want there, and I will get it. All right, friends, until next week, stay safe, take care, and remember the truth was such a free, but first they'll piss you off. Bye. Bye. Awaken from the forest in the depths of the abyss. This creature is a paradigm of time lost and time itself. It fears no one. It adheres to no rule that man can create. It forges its own path, and yet its path remains hidden from the world. The sphere of his existence is beyond most comprehension as it exudes its power quietly but transcendent. It needs no one's approval to exist,

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