The Confessionals - 379: Legion of Legends with Tony and Jack

Episode Date: October 5, 2021

In Episode 379: Legion of Legends, Tony and his brother Jack sit down to talk about their journeys thus far with their new YouTube show Legion of Legends. They discuss the places they've already visited, like a haunted WW2 POW camp, to places they will be going in the future, including Austin Dam and the Blue Hole in the New Jersey Pine Barrens. After the first hour of their Legion of Legends conversation, they shift gears and take questions for Jack directly from The Confessionals Instagram audience!Become a member for AD FREE listening: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinMAILING ADDRESS:STE 36188 Glocker Way,Pottstown, PA 19465SPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals14 Promo Code: "confessionals14" for 14 FREE MEALS!!!GET ACORN.TV: acorn.tv/ Promo Code: "tony" (Code must be applied in all lowercase letters!)Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7h Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: merkificationFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkelSHOW INTRO Show Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUw Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3Follow Jack on Instagram: @jack_theproducer

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When he came over to me Dude he slithered over to me And this giant comes out of the cave And they're all frozen And he starts running and firing at this giant. Well, the giant move. He's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. It spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated.

I feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over, and there are two small gray entities. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe. and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody you're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show,

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I'm doing pretty well. Thanks for having me. How are you doing? Ah, man, I'm doing good. And I'm really glad you're here. I think this was a spur of the moment, last minute kind of thing, don't you think? Yeah. Yeah, you asked me, and I was like, yeah, I mean, what else am I going to do?

Yeah, I mean, listen, I thought it would be a good idea for us to start maybe trying to sit down in studio and talk about our experiences when we go out in the woods for Legion of Legends. Obviously, it would be good advertisement for the show. But also, I think the podcast listeners, you know, I think they might enjoy hearing more of a conversation about what they saw on YouTube. I didn't mention that, but if you're listening right now, go to the Confessionals podcast on YouTube. Actually, it's just called the Confessionals on YouTube channel. we are going to be changing that name eventually. I think I'm going to change it to Merkle Media. I just got to make sure I do it right because YouTube can kind of get finicky and I don't want to mess anything up on the channel. But I do plan on changing the channel to Merkel Media because that's just the parent company that I created a couple years ago for everything that I do. And I think it would be a good idea since the YouTube channel isn't just the Confessionals. It's also Legion of Legends. And I also am thinking about starting a live voicemail call-in show where people can call in to a voicemail. leave a five to ten in a voicemail of, you know, spooky experiences they've had or, you know, just had.

Like, they can call me at 2 o'clock in the morning in voicemail like, this just happened, you know. And so I thought it'd be kind of cool. And then we do that as a live show on YouTube kind of going over it where people can actually call in then and give their commentary as to what they just heard and things like that. I'm working on setting that up. And I'm also thinking about doing with the YouTube channel where I tell scary stories. So stories that maybe we've had on the show and I kind of summarize the story and narrate it and just kind of share that story.

as heard on episode whatever. I thought about sharing some of my stories, like from, I think it was episode 41 where I went to that Satanist house and that whole thing. And then, you know, finding spooky stories from around the internet, but also like bizarre stories. Like, how is that even possible? How did he wind up there? It doesn't have to be a ghost story or Bigfoot story. It could be they set sail on Monday. A storm came in. And 10 years later, they found him on a deserted island, 2,500 miles away. And one was still alive, you know? So, It's just like bizarre stories. You know, I thought it'd be kind of cool to share that kind of stuff.

And I got some equipment here for in the studio to kind of pull that off. And I'm hoping to start that kind of stuff up on the YouTube channel. So there's going to be a lot of different cool things on the YouTube channel outside of the Confessionals and Legion of Legends in the future. I'm really trying with it. I don't really like video editing. It's something that I got to kind of get better at, but also maybe try to find a passion for because it is painstaking for me.

and on top of it, the files are so huge, dude. Like, yeah, and it's crazy. It takes ridiculous amounts of time to upload and download and everything. Insane. Insane. Like, and that's the thing. I mean, I was hammering out, I think, one YouTube video a day on the channel trying to get all the backlog of the shows on YouTube.

And it just got so monotonous and just like, ugh, you know? And so I got to like, I was going from most current. back. And so I got to episode 123 and I don't think I uploaded 123 yet. I just, I got 123 episodes to upload to YouTube still. I'm just like, I don't want to do it. I don't think I blame you at all.

Yeah, because I completely understand. I'm working with this 2013 desktop and the program I'm using. I say, I have Adobe, but I don't know how to use Adobe and I don't got time to learn Adobe. So I think we're going to cancel my subscription for the suite and just keep

audition, which is what I really use. in the Adobe suite. And I think we're going to do that because I just don't know how to use it. So the program I'm using, I think because my computer's so old, it keeps crashing. And so every time I make any kind of edit on a video, I had to hit Command S, Command S to save it, or else it's going to crash me just randomly. And I lose all, yeah, I lose all that work. Oh, man.

And so it's just, I think that's what's making it really a pain in the butt is just the fact that I know the process of production is like, you know, a pain. in the butt when it comes to this program crashing. It's crazy. But so anyways, check out the YouTube channel. I plan on doing a lot more with it and there's going to be a lot of cool things coming out. But one of the things that we are doing on the YouTube channel right now is Legion of Legends. And if anybody hasn't heard me talk about this before and stuff, this is a new video series that I'm doing on YouTube. I'm trying it out. We'll see how it goes, but people seem to like it. we put out two videos so far and the first video was just me because I was just antsy like we

we were planning we were planning on doing this one trip that we actually posted last on YouTube and it was like except on getting pushed off and pushed off and pushed off and I was like freak man I just want to get out there and do something you know you like you tell me that you're doing this and I was like because it was within like a month that we had kind of scheduled the the first, the Palmaya, like the Palmaya camp and everything. And then you tell me, you're like, okay, I'm just going to go do this thing. And all of a sudden, like, I get this, uh, I see the upload online that you already uploaded the video. Yeah. I was like, wait, I thought you just went out, but you told me after you went that you went out, you're going out. And I was like, wait.

Yeah. I literally was upstairs. And I'm just like, I was in my bedroom or something. I was like, you know what, screw this. And I just went downstairs, got some gear and just threw it in my truck. I'm gone, you know? And, and I went to, because what we're doing with the, with the Legion of Legends is it's basically we are hunting for the things we've heard about in this show, anywhere from ghosts to Bigfoot, Dogman, everything. That's why we call it Legion of Legends, many, you know. And so we're doing that, but I'm also doing urban exploration. I plan on doing treasure hunting, all that kind of cool, adventurous stuff with it. And so the first episode with me doing a, an urban exploration video where I had heard about this abandoned industrial park in my area. And I was

like, what? You know, like I was like, I got to check this place out. And so I was like, I'm just going to go there and do this. I'm just going to do it, man. The problem was, I forgot my side piece. And so it's like one of those things for me. It's like, when I leave the house, it's like wallet, keys, phone, gun. That's just how it is for me. And so I, it's like, and I forgot it. Because I had my cameras and I was getting all this other stuff, totally forgot it. And I was like, shoot, man. Because what happened was I was there and I was exploring these buildings and stuff.

And I wasn't alone. And I thought for sure I'd be alone because I wasn't supposed to be in there to begin with. It's closed off to the public. And I was like, man, I'm going to go in here and just explore like this abandoned town, essentially, this industrial park of like 20 plus buildings. I think it's like over 200 acres. And I was like, I'm going to go in. Yeah, it's huge, dude.

And I go in there and I'm looking around. I'm like, dude, this like seriously looks like a place where zombies sleep. Yeah, or that's where they came from. Yeah, like, what is it? Like, I am legend or something. Yeah, yeah. During the day they're sleeping and there's like, yeah, they hover in a corner.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what you expect to see when you walk in. Right. But, I mean, at the same time, like, if you forget that, you know, you forget your gun, that freaks you out because then you start thinking about it. You're like, what if? Like, what if I actually run out and I don't have anything? And the thing is, like, it's in the Philly area.

And, like, you know, there could be gang activity, drug dealing, homeless people, just not healthy, mentally people. You don't know what you're going to come across. It looks like when you're in there and when people go to check out the video, I think it's called exploring an industrial. Let me re-say that. Exploring and industrial. No, what did I call it? Abandoned. Yeah.

Exploring and abandoned industrial park. and it's something like that. Just look at, look, you'll find it. Don't worry about it. But I go in there and, you know, I'm thinking like, I'm just going to be alone. And it's not the case, man. Like, like, I'm exploring this one building and all of a sudden I hear like off in the distance, like motor-section. I'm like, that sounded like it was in here.

And all of a sudden it's just like, wow. I was like, what the freak? How the heck did they get in? I have no idea, bro. I still don't know. But they went flying by me. I hit through behind. like these bushes on a staircase and, uh, they went into the industrial park. And I was like,

what the heck? Ghost riders. Right? And so I, I, uh, I, I, just keep walking around and doing my thing. You know, I figured I'll hear him coming, you know? And sure enough I did, like, I heard somebody yell. Like, like, like a, like a, not, I don't know if it was in a distress yell, but it was like a loud, yeah, I've probably distressed, you know, now I'm thinking about it. It sounded like it was a stressful yell. I never really thought about it until now. But, uh, then, I hear this person yell and all of a sudden after I hear it and yell it's just like, blah, I was like,

what the heck? And they're coming towards me. I was like, yo, I freaking booked it, man. I ran, I hid behind some bushes and I looked down.

I'm like, crap. This was bad planning because I was wearing a bright blue shirt. I was like, what am I thinking? Why am I going urban exploring? I might as, I might as well wear fluorescent pink,

you know? I mean, like, you know, at least wear camo because I just can't see. What's my favorite color? What do I always wear? Cammo. Always. That day? No, no. I wore, actually, I think I wore my camo shorts and a blue

t-shirt. It's like, what the heck, man? But yeah, so anyways, people can see how that all ended and stuff on the YouTube channel. It was crazy, but it was fun, though. I really enjoyed it. But then we took some, we have some ideas for places to go. In fact, I have a running list of places. Yeah. And why don't you tell them about Austin Dam if you can remember the details or else I'll share with them. I just kind of threw that on you. I'll kind of, uh, I'll say what I remember and you can just fill in the gaps. I mean, you probably will have more than what I would. But, um, it was a dam that was built by a rich dude, right? And, uh, yeah, and, uh, where's that at in PA? Austin. Yeah, but I mean, like, what, it's a certain, like up is that up in the Allegheny area? No, no, not, not Allegheny, but it's in

that area. Okay. So, but yeah, he, he, he owned the sawmill. Yeah, yeah. So he, so he, he built the dam to, what, I guess to harvest some more trees and crap. I'm not entirely sure. It doesn't really matter. No, to power his sawmill. Oh, to power. Oh, wow. What an idiot. Yeah, that makes a lot more sense. Like, let me just get these random trees. I mean, you didn't do any show prep. It's okay. It's all good. Yeah. So, and then what ended up happening was he cut corners. There was just, you know, he didn't put as much money into the dam as what he should have. Yeah. And it busted. And it killed how many, how many people? I think it was like 78, if I remember something like that. It was a lot, yeah.

And Austin isn't very big to begin with. No, no, no, no. But what ended up happening was, I mean, he never fixed it. Nothing ever came. You know, he never did anything else with it because I don't know if he either shut down his business or was sued or whatever. I mean, it was a long time ago, right? It was like, late 1800s, early 1900s.

Yeah, and what's crazy is that he's not the only person who decided to build a dam in Pennsylvania and went cheap and the dam broke. What? Yeah, I can't remember the name of the places, but I think I found one or two other places that have dams that broke like this? I guess I wouldn't be surprised at that, not just in PA, but anywhere. Like, you know, most of the time,

I would imagine they were from, you know, long ago, like 100 years ago or more, because maybe regulations were like either non-existent or just much less. Yeah. So when it came to building stuff, if you had money, you just did it. So now it's like, if you have money,

you need to have all these permits. You need to have the land. You need to have the proper contractors, all this stuff. And now it's, you know, most of the time you're not going to be able to build Dam because people don't want that. So it's like now, you know, then it didn't matter. Now it matters. So I can imagine that actually happening many other places, but you just don't hear about it. Right. Yeah. And that's

the thing. I mean, it's an interesting story though, because it actually, the dam actually broke once. And it was like a big leak, but it wasn't like deadly. I mean, I think people got out in enough time kind of thing. Okay. And they patched it up. But I remember reading about like the details as to how cheap he went on this, I mean, he really kind of cut corners. Was he like using a plaster and twist? I mean, might as well. I mean, this damn, when it finally really broke and killed all those people. And I think Austin, I don't know what the population is now.

I can't imagine it's this populated now. But back then, I think I remember reading it was like a town of like 3,000 people. So it was a pretty booming town back in the day. But, you know, again, back then out there, there's a lot of mining and there's a lot of timber kind of, you know, hence the stuff. sawmill. Yeah. And so it was a, it was a town, pretty decent sized town for the middle of nowhere. And, uh, and so this, this dam only lasted two years. And then it busted open and killed like 78 people. I think there's a story. I got to brush up on it, but there's a story where somebody, I almost

want to say it was like a town nun or something, saw the dam getting ready to break. And she told everybody and everybody started evacuating. And that's what saved so many more people's lives. like if she didn't do that, like it would have been even bigger catastrophe. Do you know if the dam like offered more land than for people to be able to settle and stuff? Was it one of those things where they kind of just because of the fact that the river was, you know, less, did they build on the river? That's the interesting thing too is that when you look at the maps and stuff, the dam where it sits now, what's running through there is just this little tiny creek. And so like I don't know if it was bigger back in the day or what. But the dam is considerably up creek or upriver from the town itself, but I don't know what it looked like back then.

Okay. And like I said, the town, I can't imagine it has 3,000 people in now. So maybe it expanded beyond what it is now. And then the flood maybe killed the town. I don't know. But I know a lot of people did come back. But it was interesting about that is, and again, I got to dig this stuff up because it's been a little while. But I did read an old article that was written about how the railroad workers back then working near the dam.

said that for the first two years of its existence before it broke, they would see this black shadow figure walking the dam. And a lot of them believed there was an omen of what was to come. And so it's an interesting storyline. It's an interesting, what would you call it, like an archaeological location. And the fact that so many people lost their lives there, I can't imagine that that place isn't haunted. Not to mention it's in the middle of Pennsylvania, which I believe has a lot of weird things going on to begin with. So I definitely think it's a good idea if we check that out and stuff. But then there's like places in Maryland, like there's a guy named Mike that's going to be

taking us out. Hopefully, I'm hoping sometime soon. He's in Maryland. And you don't really think about Maryland as a Bigfoot hotspot. And we'll get to your skepticism, you know, at some point during this, I'm sure. But it's interesting because Elkton, Maryland, It's pretty populated, but it's in that general area. But there's an area in Maryland where Bigfoot is popping up.

And he and his team go out in the woods at night and they find giant footprints, a lot of them. And I think I remember him telling me about some kind of like dump area that they are finding like a fence that's around a dump just being taken out all the time. It's like a 12-foot fence. And it's just like they're piecing things together. that they found tracks, like long tracks and stuff. And so it's really interesting. I definitely want to get down there. There's Chestnut Ridge in Pennsylvania, which we definitely got to check out.

The lore there is awesome. There's just so much around here. And then there's like the pine barons in South Jersey. And the pine barons, I mean, everybody knows about the Jersey devil, but there's so much there. I think the pine barons is home to seven ghost towns, seven towns that are just deserted. And I think some of them are more like tourist attractions kind of thing because they actually have, you know, signage and things like that. But there are some that aren't like that. And there are just a lot of hidden things in the pine barons because the pine barons are so thick. I mean, like, have you ever driven through the pine barons like in South Jersey? No. Actually, I might have, but it doesn't matter. I mean, yeah. If you're going out towards Atlantic City, I'm pretty sure that's

the pine barons that you're driving through. It is so thick. And it's just so vast and rural. And from what I heard there are people that live back there. I was talking to this one guy. If I remember correctly, this was years ago, and he was my tow truck driver when I broke down driving truck. And we were talking about what I do, and he was talking about the pine barons. And forgive me if it's not him, if it's somebody that I talked to on the show, but I'm pretty sure it's this guy. He said that when he was a kid, they were wrecking around out there and stuff. And they came across a house out in the middle of the woods that had no roads to it, no sidewalks, nothing. It's just a house existing out in the middle of the woods. There's no, there's no way to get cars back there,

trucks, nothing. And as they got closer, there are people living there on the front porch, and they just stood there staring at them. Like, they hadn't seen other humans in forever. Like, can you... Oh my gosh. Dude, can you imagine? Dude, can you imagine? I would run. I'd be running. I mean, I would 100% be right. So that's so creepy, though, because I mean, if you can't even get to it with cars or anything, number one, that those people have to know where that house is if they live in general society. I don't think they do, though. So if they don't, then what they're hunting off that land.

They're surviving. But that means that they don't hunt with guns most likely. They hunt with their hands. Oh, I didn't even think about that. Like, they know how to kill things and do it right. That's quick thinking, man. You're running for all the right reasons. I'm just like, oh, why are you running a wimp?

it's just people, you're like, Tony, think about how they survive out here. Oh, yeah. Yeah, man, it's crazy. Or they were ghosts. I mean, that could be too. Yeah, well, that's very possible. That's very possible. And then he didn't go close to him and stuff, so I don't know. I wouldn't either. I don't blame him. Knowing me, I'd be like, hey, how you doing? You know, like, just walking through here. We're going to be on our way. No worries. Why are you following me? You don't know. Leave me alone. Your reaction would be that, but your hand would be on your hip. Because you'd be ready, like you was, hey, how you doing? Jersey. Jersey, you can't have guns on you.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So when we do Jersey, we're doing it with knives, you know? So we'll bring the crocodiles on D-knife. Now, that's a knife. Yeah, you'll have your machete on you or something. Yeah. It's like, geez.

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to get started. Join Cerebral today on their mission to make quality mental health care accessible and affordable for all. All right, Jack, that is the business. And I wanted to tell you about a place that I actually heard about from a listener. I think they either emailed, DM'd it or set it on one of my Instagram lives, but it's a place in South Jersey called the Legends of the Blue Hole. This place supposedly is very mysterious. And as you can see a picture here, it looks like a pond in the middle of nowhere. And we got to go find it, bro. We have to go find it. Okay. Don't ask me all the details is what's happening right here because I didn't get a chance to read this article yet. But I pulled it up because I have the intention to read it. So it's just one of

I don't know if anybody else ever does this, but like you have like a billion tabs open and you don't want to close any of them on your browser because you're like, I need that at some point. It may not be tonight, but about a week from now, you're going to need it. And so I, that's this case. Like I pulled it up like a week ago and I just been running around like a madman because as people are listening to this right now, I'm already in Kentucky hunting the dog man. And so I've been preparing all this week for that trip. I mean, there is so much going into. this logistically, my freaking expenses, bro, I have spent way too much money on this trip. I'm not surprised. I had no, dude, I had no idea how much I was going to need for this thing when I committed to it. But I had committed to it. So I was like, I'm here. I'm doing it, you know?

But it can't happen like this moving forward. Lindsay will kill me. And so I actually, I'm thinking about different ways to help fund these bigger trips. Like the overnights that you and I do and stuff, that's like nothing. That stuff is easy, nothing, you know? Well, we have everything for that stuff. Yeah. I mean, we really don't need a whole lot.

We have the, we have like our sleeping arrangement with the hammocks. It's perfect. You know, it's really nothing compared to what you have. But like this trip, I mean, not to mention the fact that I'm driving 10 and a half hours to get to my first stop. And then I have a cabin there. I'm bringing guys in from Texas, Ohio and stuff. And I'm housing them all.

So the expenses with that, the food. and then all the new equipment I needed for this trip alone. I mean, like, I'm going out in the middle of nowhere, bro. Like, I have no cell phone reception, nothing. And so I had to get a handheld GPS that actually has satellite capabilities. So it has an SOS button. So if something happens, I hit the SOS button and emergency crews come and they save me or the remains of me. You know, like, you know what I'm saying?

So I had, there's so many like expenses that popped up along the way. like even, you know, adjustments to my truck so that I was able to handle the off-roading in case it's a rainy, which apparently we're getting rained that next week. So, like mud and things like that. Like, I just wanted to make sure we're good. And it was just like, holy crap. And I had no idea. But anyways, so I'm working on ways to maybe help fund the next trip and stuff. If anybody has ideas listening and stuff, that'd be great. I have thought about the idea of GoFummies for these big trips and the people who have, who help contribute to the journeys have different perks. stuff like, you know, you get the saying, you get to suggest locations where we go next and stuff,

and we'll only pull from those suggestions. And you get like producers credits and stuff. Yeah, things like that. I also thought about maybe with that or separately putting these big trips, instead of doing it on YouTube, selling them on DVD and you get lots of different perks with that as well. And so there's been people that have been suggesting different things to me and stuff. And I've just been brainstorming because one thing's for sure, these big trips, I can't fund myself moving forward. Like, Lindsay has been giving me the side book for weeks now. And she's just like, all right, I'm going to let this one slide, but I'm going to kill you if you keep doing this.

Yeah. She's like, when's my trip to Hawaii? Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah. And so anyways, I went down a rabbit hole on that. But yeah, right now we're in Kentucky as I talk to you and you're hearing this, but we recorded this obviously previously. But anyways, going back to the legends of the blue hole in Jersey, I think this is a stop that we must go do because it's not well known. And if I could find the location of it, we could go out there and camp next to the water at night and just see what kind of buggy stuff we can get into.

What do you think about that? You're staring at the picture now. I am, yeah, I like it. Well, I mean, it's really weird. It reminds me of that spot that we used to fish at when we were kid. Well, when I was a kid and you were a teenager off of the railroad tracks, backwards. where we're... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that, like, little pond off of the, off of the river.

And it just reminds me of that, like, looking at it because it's such a similar setup. Like, I mean, it's just a tiny little body of water. Yeah. But, I mean, I never even thought about, like, something being haunted back there. Oh, dear. Or whatever this is. I don't know if it's necessarily haunted or if there's just weird activity or I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

But it does remind me, though, of this other story because I was told another story about the pine barons where this guy, he was camping next to a body of water in the middle of the pine barons. And when they were there, this gigantic shadow arose on the other side of the pond from where they were at. And he said it was like as tall as the trees. And when they shined their light on it, all the light just kind of got sucked into this shadow figure. It just like consumed the light. And I'm like, maybe this is the same spot. I don't know, bro. Like, I'm telling you, the pine barons are crazy, man. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool if it was. Yeah.

Well, would it be cool or would it? It would be awesome. I'm trying to think of right now whether I think it would be cool or not. Legion of Legends needs to be, you know, action packed. So if we can get something like that, I'm down, bro. Yeah, that kind of stuff is just so, it's interesting because to me it's like, you know, it's creepy when you hear something like that. I, oh, man, that stuff just gets me, though, because I think that that stuff could be real.

Like, that could just be a dark entity. Like, I don't know what it would be, but it could freaking, you know, jump across the pond and get you. Yeah. I don't want that to happen. Well, I mean, that'd be great for video. Be great for video. People see the video.

That's when you hit the SOS. That's when you hit the SOS. That thing comes over. Like, SOS. SOS. They come what happened. A shadow man was getting me. Okay.

How many shrooms did you eat? Right. Yeah. They're like, don't eat the food that you find on the ground here. Not everything's edible. You know? Yeah, not good.

No, not good at all. But I definitely think we should check out the pine barons. And then there's some places in New York and stuff that we could check out. These overnight trips and stuff that we can do, it's just like one night or maybe two, the max and stuff. I mean, there's so much around this area that we can do. And old stuff, you know, like I mentioned about the treasure hunting and stuff. We actually have, I think it's seven legends of lost treasure in Pennsylvania.

Like these treasures are lost. Blackbeard? Blackbeard is one of them. Oh, is that real? Yeah, yeah, but it's not the black beard you're talking about. There was another sailor named Blackbeard, and he was hired by the Spanish, by Spain, I guess, right, to recover a shipwreck in like the Bramuna Triangle area that had gold and silver and treasure on it. He did. He recovered it, and he made his way up the coastline into Pennsylvania when he got really sick.

And so he had to offload the treasure in Pennsylvania. He hit it. And then he moved into, I think it was Canada, where then he sought to, you know what, maybe it was England now that I think about it. Yeah, that's what it was. It was England and it was a Spanish ship that sunk. I think that's what the story is. Don't quote me on it though. But anyways, he got sick and he hired another guy to come retreat the treasure for him and he was going to pay him up front and then pay him when he returned the treasure kind of thing. Guess what? The dude never came back. Yeah, what a shocker. Yeah, but the dude apparently,

found, like after that was like buying land and cattle and all that stuff. But there are legends that there's no way this man could have possibly spent the amount of what that treasure was worth. And nobody knows where it's at. And so there's that. And then there's like these legends up from the Civil War when I believe, and I actually, I think I'm actually wrong in this because every time I tell a story, I tell it the same way. And every time I read about the story, I'm like, oh, I got that backwards. But I'm going to tell the way I remember because That's what I can do right now. During the Civil War, when the South was in Pennsylvania, they offloaded, like, I think it was silver that they had in their wagons.

They had like those false bottoms to make the trip go faster because I guess they were retreating down south or something. And they offloaded in Pennsylvania. That's never been found. Then there's the Dolan gang. Those are two brothers in Doyles Town, which is right outside of Philly. Yeah. And they were notorious for robbing people. And they had tons of loot stashed everywhere in the area.

And at one time, they were actually arrested and they were in jail and they were taunting the guard saying, we can see our treasure from our window. And it was just like, yeah. And here's the thing about them is that I looked into them and they actually, their graves are in Doyle's town. And the funny thing is they were shunned from society back then. And now there is a graveyard where they're buried. The funny thing is, the graveyard has a little rock wall going around it, and their two gravestones, their two headstones are on the outside of the cemetery.

They didn't bury them in the cemetery. They're like, no, you're not going to be in here. We're going to put you on the outside. Really? That's where they're at to this day. And it's overgrown. Like they, it's like a little cemetery, not really well kept, but it's kept. But their headstones are just overgrown.

You almost can't even see the headstones are even there. What? Yeah, man. That's pretty cool. So like we could do treasure hunting and then go. visit the Dolan Gang's grave site at like 3 o'clock in the morning and do some EVP sessions or something and see what we get, you know? Maybe, I don't know, they'll tell us where the treasure is. That'd be great. Dude, can you imagine, can you imagine finding a lost treasure? I'm telling you,

dude, like, this is something that I've always been, it's always been appealing to me. And everybody, like, I got into the TV show, what was it, Curse of Oak Island? I have no idea. That sounds old. No, it's not. It just was out not too long, and I always mess up the name. But it's Oak Island, and there's a supposed lost treasure, and these guys were spending millions of dollars trying to find it and stuff, and they never found it, I don't think. But that show I loved. But ever since I was a kid, I was always just involved in like the love of finding lost treasure. And I was just like, you know, this would be so cool, man. And like, just imagine if you found something like that, you know, I was looking at different places along these lines.

And there's a fort in Philadelphia called Fort Mifflin. And it's very underfunded. They don't have a ton of money, but they just found, I think about three years ago, they were landscaping. They were mowing the grass on the inside of the fort. And the ground gave in. And it turns out there is a cavern underground that was filled in after the Civil War, and they just forgot about it.

And it was perfectly preserved. None of the wood was rotted, but there were cells down there, jail cells. They actually used it during the Civil War as a holding place for enemy. And it was just like this piece of lost history found perfectly preserved. Wow. And it was so cool. So I'm looking at, I'm looking at Fort Mifflin and I'm thinking myself, okay, so what's the history here? So I started reading about the history of Fort Mifflin. And it turns out during the Revolutionary War, there was a huge battle there. So the British started construction of Fort Miflin and they abandoned it because it wasn't great ground to build on.

Strategically, it was great because the Delaware River isn't what it is now back then. Back then, where they had Fort Mifflin was like an island, and Delaware River kind of went around it. Now it's not like that. It's all filled in. It's just one straight shot. But the Delaware River now goes right by Fort Mifflin. And there was this huge battle. I think it lasted five weeks in Fort Mifflin, at Fort Mifflin, where the British ships

came up the Delaware River and they were pounding Fort Mifflin and they were fighting about five weeks and then the last week for five days straight, they aligned their ships to just rapid fire the main entranceway and they were pounding the fort. And when what happened is the Americans, they're like, we got a roll. And I guess tradition was if you're abandoning your post, you take the flag with you kind of thing, right? But in order to survive this onslaught to keep the British at bay, they kept the flag up and they abandoned the fort in the middle of night. So they left the flag standing so that they could get out. And so essentially the Americans lost that battle. But what's interesting is I started looking into, okay, so there's a significant piece of American history here as far as what

we know about it. And what kind of things maybe remain there? And so I started reading about what happened there. And the Americans, what they did was when they knew the bridge were coming, they got these 30 by 30 wooden boxes and they filled it with like 30,000 pounds of rocks and they sunk them to the bottom of the Delaware River with these giant spikes sticking out of them so that it wasn't going to sink the ships, but it was enough to keep the ships at bay. And so I'm thinking, okay, so they did this, but we know that the British actually pounded the fort heavily with with cannonballs. And so I started looking up how far could cannonballs fire back during the Revolutionary War. So the, I haven't looked at these stats in a while, but the naval

cannons could shoot 200 yards max. And so I was like, okay, so that gives me a radius of 200 yards maximum around, probably less, around Fort Mifflin, where there's probably artifacts of cannonballs, debris, all that stuff, not to mention the bottom of the river. And so I started thinking, wonder what has ever been excavated here. So I called Fort Mifflin and I talked to them. And so like I, I just talked to people, right? So like, like I didn't really have a plan of attack, which I probably should have. Yeah. Because I, I go and I call and the lady answers and I start asking her questions. And I said, I said, you know, do you know if this place has been excavated? And she's like, oh, yeah, it's been excavated. I said, what about the Delaware River? Has anybody looked in the bottom of

Delaware River for these giant boxes that they made? And she said, no, but the Delaware River, is always changing. It's all gone by now. And I understand that, but I also believe that there could, like, if you're dropping boxes that are 30 by 30 made out of wood with 30,000 pounds of rocks in them, there might be some remains of something that you could say, even if it's just like a pile of rocks that are unusual, it's just like, that might have been one of the, you know, and so there's those things, but she was getting kind of dismissive with me. And she's just like, you know, no, no, no, no, no. And then I asked her, there's a moat that goes around Fort Mifflin. And I said, has anybody ever looked in the moat for artifacts like cannonballs?

And she goes, yeah, no. She's like, no, it's never been drudged. And I was like, I think that there is a lot of stuff at the bottom of that. And then she goes, who are you? And I was just like, uh, that's a question. I didn't prepare for that part. I didn't say, oh, I'm Dr. Merkel from University of Pennsylvania. you know what I mean I just like I'm a local treasure hunter and she's like then absolutely not I'm like fine I'm

come in at midnight then I'm gonna do it myself you know like just like yeah come out and surprise or surprise like that's what I started thinking I was like fine I'm gonna go down at midnight and I'm gonna do it myself and I think I talked about that didn't I yeah we talked about the legal aspects of all that because you know how my mind works yeah but but man like that would just be so cool and I don't need to drudge Like, magnet fishing would do just fine. Just the, just the, the fact that you could look at history that might have never been touched by anybody else, that to me is very cool. And the fact that, like, you know, it's so close to us, it's, it's a local sort of history,

specifically with, you know, the freeing of our country, the liberty that came behind it. And even though it was a defeat, it's still so interesting to have that kind of history around us. And we really neat, because if you ended up finding some, like, you know, old, Revolutionary War rifles or, you know, something, you know, like that. That'd just be neat. Or even, like, their swords. I mean, they probably had all the crap then, you know, so it'd just be cool. Find, like, an old jacket.

Oh, it would be awesome, right? And so, like, who knows what the bottom of that moat? And I hope that one day they look there. And I told her, I was like, you know, you guys can keep it all, sell it, whatever you want to do. I just want to find it. Like, I don't care. Like, I just, like, the thrill to hunt is there for me.

And she just pretty much hung up the phone with me, essentially, you know? I'm not surprised. Yeah. You know, it's this, it's that attitude. Nothing new is here. You don't need to worry about it, even though you just found a cavern underneath it. Yeah. Like, I mean, you know, explore a little bit.

Yeah. It'd just be neat. I mean, I don't, I don't understand why there wouldn't have been an exploration of the moat or or even more of the river or anything like that. Right. But, yeah, no, it's just crazy. Well, I think, I think it does have something to do with the being underfunded kind of thing. And, you know, priority list, you know, it's like archaeology priority list is probably

not very high on the priority list. But I, I volunteer. to do it for free. You know what I mean? Like, I'll be down there. No problem. I'm down for that kind of action. But I just, I love that stuff. So we're going to do more of that kind of stuff with Legion of Legend as well. We do have a metal detector. I gave it to you to start learning. I know you haven't started learning how to use it yet. But while we're in Kentucky, we're going to be looking for the collar that came off the dog that saved Kyle. And one of the guys that's coming has a metal detector. He knows how to use it. And that's going to be part of what we're doing. Looking

for the collar because if we can find the collar, if we don't find dog, man, if we can find the collar and return it back to the family, it would really be something cool. And I think that people would really enjoy, it's almost like a final piece of the puzzle or a final stamp at the end of the book kind of thing. It's just like, now it's closed. It's done, you know? And I think it'd be, I think it would be really cool. So we're going to be looking for the collar down there in Kentucky. And I'm just, I'm really excited about the trip. And we'll see what happens. A lot of people are worried I don't blame them Yeah I mean

The Daniel Boone's a different kind of animal And you know Kentucky's cursed land Kyle has told me that several times And you know You got the mammoth cave system That's in there Who knows what's in there

I believe that the mammoth cave system Could be housing so many bizarre things People talk about inner earth I think that could be an entrance to inner earth Who knows what kind of creatures live in there All that stuff man Like I'm just like holy good Maybe I gotta find

Maybe we should scrap the dog man and just go for, look for the mammoth cave systems and just start freaking going, man. Find some Nephilim. Yeah, let's go. Find the Nephilim, you know? Fee, fly, full thumb. Yeah, okay. Just start yelling that out.

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That's buy raycon.com slash confessionals to say 15% on the Raycon's. by raycon.com slash confessionals. Okay, now let's change the pace here, Jack. We've been talking about Legion of Legends and the places we want to go to and the things that we want to do, treasure hunting and the locations like the Austin Dam and the Blue Hole

and the South Jersey Pine Barrens, all that stuff. Let's talk about the most recent trip we went on that we did put on the YouTube channel, the Confessionals. Go ahead. Check it out. If you haven't checked it out already, and please hit the subscribe button and the notification button

because I plan on doing more uploads and you can get notified. Anyways, Jack, we went to the haunted World War II POW camp. And what forest was it in, Jack? I'm going to put you on the spot, sucker. That was in the... The... Malamaliziki. Close, but not really.

Oh, okay. The Mesho State Forest. I knew it was the name. Yeah, so there's the Pine Grove Furnace, which a lot of people talk about locally that there's a lot of weird things, and it's right around that area. And what it was is in World War II, the government bought this property for a POW camp. Now, from what I understand through my reading, POW camps were in essentially almost every state of the union during World War II. But not every state had prisoner

of war camps that were also the interrogation camps, where when they brought them here, they went to the interrogation camp first, and then they dispersed them to these other camps. Pennsylvania had one of those interrogation camps, and that's where we went, where they interrogated Nazis and Japanese soldiers. Now, what we learned, or what I learned from reading about this stuff, is that now, granted, we only have, like, one side of history at all times when you're dealing with internet information, because it's hard to get the truth sometimes with history, right? But from what I understand, the Japanese, they were awful. They were worse than Nazis, from what I understand, during World War II with the interrogations. I mean, talking about

torture. The Nazis were known to be awful. But the Americans, from what I understand, treated people pretty well. In fact, some of the German Nazis actually wound up staying here after World War II and we're just part of communities. Take it for what it is. Maybe they were undercover. I don't know. But we can go down that road some other time. But the fact is that this was an interrogation camp where we didn't treat them awful. And I was like, dang it. I wanted a good juicy storyline for going to this location. So I kept digging. And what I did find is that the Nazis, when they went to these interrogation camps, they were held in these, you know, cells together. They didn't have their own cell. They were kind of, you know, communal living. And when they would

pull a Nazi out, interrogate them, if the other Nazis felt that that person was too friendly or too forthcoming with information, they would kill them right there in the camp. And I was just like, well, that's the storyline we can go with. Yeah. You know? And so, we, we went out to the Michelle State Forest to the prisoner of war camp in the middle of the night. And we're out there and we're doing our thing on the ghost stuff, you know, like trying to find a freaking Nazi still remaining, you know? Yeah, we found the ruins. We found the ruins. We found the buildings. What did you think of that stuff?

Yeah, the ruins, I mean, it was actually pretty interesting. We, uh, in the video we actually set up, um, well, we, we, we explored some of the ruins, uh, at the very beginning, uh, stuff that you could see pretty clearly. Um, but then we also set up our camera on. there to discuss everything that had happened. But it was pretty cool because you could tell, obviously, they had taken down some things, like specifically taken them down, like some of those iron or steel rods that were bent and cut. But the other stuff that was pretty interesting was the fact that they left some of the

buildings standing. And, I mean, you can tell that they had been weather worn and just knocked down. The thing that actually surprised me was how decayed it was. because, I mean, it was only a prisoner of war camps, World War II, right? Yeah. So, I mean, that would be, what, not even, it would be 80 years. Yeah, but that's not even the case, though, because after the war, the United States sold that property to a church and it became a church camp until 1972.

And so, like, it was, the 70s, that property was very active, probably kids running around, you know, singing songs and stuff. That's even crazier then that it was within a matter of, like, 50 years that it decayed that bad. Yeah. Because it's pretty, I mean, there's no standing building. It's just like, you know, an old chimney, you know, parts of the wall. I mean, we went, you know, and saw the, you went into the one spot there.

Yeah. Which didn't make the video because I just felt like it. Oh, yeah. You probably didn't even watch the video. No, I did. I just realized that it wasn't in it. Yeah. There was so much that we had a cut to make it manageable.

I was trying to get the information because of what happened that night. It's like, it's not like we can't go back there, you know. And that was really not. I mean, honestly, there was nothing too. that one. Right. Because nothing happened. I think there's probably more ruins out there that we didn't even find out. Yeah. You know, and the thing is too, we went so late. Like, we got there at 10.30 and that's in the video too. The problem with that is that you don't have time to actually look around and visualize where your camp should be and also what's going to happen, like where you could

go to. Yeah. Because we, I mean, there's a lot of stuff up there. It's not just the, you know, the ruins of that area. There are probably, you know, areas that they had trails from people who, I bet you there were escaped prisoners, you know, things like that. Sure. And, you know, there probably were some cool areas that we could explore. And you said there's the church that had made a camp up there. They had taken over that area. So, you know, who knows what happened.

Sometimes churches put cemeteries up there, you know, that kind of stuff. That's what I look at. Like, what, you know, when we were out in a couple of years ago, when we went out to Titusville and we saw that cemetery in the middle of the woods, that's what I think of with that kind of stuff. You know, you can walk, you could stumble across something like that where there's just a cemetery on the side of a mountain. How far did we hike to get to that cemetery out in the middle of the woods? I mean, it was... Well, we drove a good bit and they, I mean, thankfully they had like those, the heavy, you know, jeeps and stuff like that.

But, I mean, we got up to probably about a mile, at least a mile, you know, of hiking and driving combined, maybe more. Yeah. But it is interesting. Yeah, it, that was a fun trip. Shout out to Tommy, I mean, from Cryptovenia. Yes, sir. Yeah. That was a fun trip.

We should make it our way out there again sometime. Yeah. But so we go to this prisoner of war camp and it was really interesting. So we get there and we go out and we're hiking around. We find some ruins and it starts raining. We had that one experience where we both saw something moving in the tree line and stuff. And so we get back to the truck because, you know, we didn't have a chance to set up camp. I forgot the raincoats for the camera.

So we get back to the truck. And we checked the weather report and there was no rain in the weather report. So I figured it was a passing storm. And it was. So we went back out at what, 2, 2.30 in the morning? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So we started exploring areas that we hadn't got yet.

And so the trails, because this area is a historical place. And so they have these like mowed trails around some of these ruins right close to it. But the further you go, the more it turns into a game trail. And we got on the game trail. Yeah. And we're hiking. And we just get to this point where it ends. And it's just this open space.

go ahead and tell the story. I'll let you take it away. The park that was, so, yeah, obviously there are trails. The thing that was kind of weird was the fact that there were barely any trails where we went. I mean, like, we hiked down one way. We got to a point where it was kind of like, you know, it ended when we went to the right, and we came back up, and this is where the game trails came into play. And when we got to that open area, it was like, you know, there were probably, what,

three or four game trails, I think that kind of split off from the one spot from the main game trail. And so, like, you could tell where you were going when you were going out towards that clearing that we had just talked about. But when you were coming back, you had to make a mental note because I even lost where we were. And you had to, like, I stood where that clearing was and you had to walk back just so we knew we were testing that trail. Yeah. Like, and I'm looking through a camera most of the time. Night vision. Yeah.

So not only do I not have a very clear understanding of, like, where exactly we went on the trail. I had to all, I was trying to focus on the shot and all that other crap. And I'm, I had to trust you. And I wasn't 100% sure. How dare you? Well, you know, it's not, it's nothing. I trust you with my life out there. I trust you with my life.

I don't, I didn't trust you with the, with the path. Just because there were four paths and I wasn't sure what it was right. You were right. Yeah. So that was the part. And I mean, you know, the brush was what, eight feet, seven feet tall. It was over your head and you're six feet tall. Yeah.

It was very tall. Yeah. And so it was a little. trippy, but we got back to this area where the trail just ends. And we decide, we're out there thinking Nazis, right? And so that's what, like, we're going to a haunted forest. Like, the Michelle State Forest is a haunted forest. It has Bigfoot activity, dogman activity, but they freaking have a prisoner of war camp there. I was like, let me focus on that. Like, like, there's a lot of different angles I can go with. But let's focus on the POW stuff. Let's see if we can get some hits on the K2.

And so I turn my camera off and because I didn't want to interference with the K2. So my lights off, my camera's off. You have your camera running, what, maybe five, six feet away from me. Yeah. Maybe a little bit more. And I have the K2 on. And we start getting hits. Like the meter starting hit almost right away.

Yeah, it was almost immediately. It was, I was really actually surprised. Like, wow, that's pretty kind of cool. Well, you tested it against yourself too. You even like held it up to the camera. With it off. You held it up to whatever else you had on you. And you were just like making sure it wasn't like picking up an electrical, you know,

sort of, you know, sort of pulse there or something. Right. And instead of that, like nothing clicked, nothing jumped on the K2. And then you hold it back out and it jumps again. And we're just like, I can't believe this is actually happening. Yeah, I know. We're actually getting hits on this. I was like, good job, Tone.

You pick the right location, you know? Like, I was just, I was really excited about that. And then what ensued after that, I was stunned because I wasn't even thinking about it, dude. Like, I wasn't even thinking about it. And we're going to get into some of the details here, going into this second half of the trip going out, when we got out of the truck, we were setting up our gear and one of the cameras, your camera, fell off the truck. And I picked it up and it looked fine. It turned on. Surprisingly. I mean, it fell off of your hood. It doesn't even have scuffs on it right now. It fell onto rocks and stuff. And we're like, great.

So we go out, we're doing our thing. What we didn't know is that the microphone cord jack, that goes into the actual camera had like snapped and bent. And so we actually didn't have audio running when we thought we did with your camera. So I turned my camera off. We still have your camera running with audio, all that stuff. I'm talking to the camera and all that stuff. And during that time, as we're getting hits with a K2, almost immediately off in the distance. What happened, Jack? Like, I want you to tell because like you're just skeptic here. And I want to, first of all, I don't if I actually asked you what you feel about Bigfoot after this experience. And I understand, I'm not expecting you to say, I believe in Bigfoot, all that stuff. But tell the people what we

heard, how it sounded to you, how did you perceive it? Okay. So with no freaking audio, so we didn't catch it. Yeah. Yeah. So we laid down kind of the foreground to what actually, you know, was our, what we thought was going to be the, you know, this incredible moment on camera. What, what, what we heard, uh, to Tony and to myself did not sound necessarily normal. So I, I, I is this, like you just said, I'm a skeptic, but I actually assumed we were going to hear a bunch of animals. I assumed being outside, we were going to hear, you know, like, whatever you would hear, owls and things like that in the woods. I mean, I did also expect to hear, you know, some yips and stuff maybe from coyote or Fox or whatever.

Yeah. But when we got out there, I mean, we heard a ton of bugs, but when we got out there, I was, I was, I'll be honest with you. I was, I was very uneasy. I was unnerved. Yeah. Well, and I think I mentioned it to you. At what point?

At what point did you start getting unnerved? I felt, so because of the fact that I'm thinking, number one, I don't have a gun. Number two, I don't really have. I had one. I know, but if something happened, like if a freaking mountain line came after me or something, like, what am I going to do? I'm going to get hit by it because you're going to have to shoot it. Hopefully I hit the right time.

I know, exactly. That's my point. Like, I don't have anything there. Like, I had a knife, but I had a freaking pocket knife. That's what, like, what am I going to do with that? So I was uneasy with that. And I was also uneasy with the fact that, like, I couldn't, I couldn't, like, tell what was behind me at all times, you know?

Yeah, you're behind me. I'm just, I'm just, I'm that kind of person that I just like to kind of have a better understanding of my surrounding, but I'm focused so much on this video to make sure it's done right and it looks good and it's in good lighting, all that junk. And I say all of that to say that out of the blue, while we're already getting these K2 hits, we hear this insane, and it was relatively loud for how far away it sounded, this insane how. I don't really know what else to call it. You'd say a whoop. It wasn't even a whoop though. Like on the video I talked about it, I described, I even did the whoop and stuff. But they didn't have the whoop.

on the end of it. It was like a, whoa. Yeah, which is basically what you said in the video too. I think I put a little oop on the end of it. I was just,

you know, I was excited. I was just like, whoop. And I'm like, no, it really wasn't a whoop, but one take,

you know, so, but I, and then after that, there was a response. It was just like a, oh, but from a different direction.

Yeah. Yeah. So that was the part that was like, when we were filming that, and you can tell, like our reaction, there something happened. Like,

it wasn't just like, It wasn't just like, you know, we just stop immediately. I zoom out of the K2 because I'm looking at you and we're talking and you're looking at the K2. And then all of a sudden we hear this thing. And it's like, you can see the reaction video. My eyes fell to the ground. If you could see my reaction, I don't even think you can see my face.

And I'm like, I'm just like, listen, it was lights out. Like, I mean, we didn't have any, any lights. It was just like, it was just the night vision going. Okay. So I couldn't remember. I couldn't see anything. Okay. Nothing.

I wasn't honestly, honestly, watching the video back, I could not remember if I had turned the light on or off. I knew that obviously the infrareds were on. I just could not remember if I had the light on for you to see anything. But it doesn't matter whether or not the light was on because the reality is, like, you still can't see around you. So it's still extremely like freaking scary when you hear something like that. My reaction was like, yeah, we're going to get hit by a mountain light.

Like we're going to die tonight because it's going to attack us and we're going, like, I am dead. I'm dead. Because I'm behind you. I'm filming. I don't have any protection. I'm going to die. That's what went through my mind.

And then you said the thing that I just didn't really even think about at first, you were like, I think we just heard a whoop. Like it was like, it was almost just like, did you hear that? Yeah, I heard that. Oh my gosh. I think that was Bigfoot. And it's like, oh my gosh. That was actually Bigfoot.

Granted, I don't necessarily know if it was. You don't either. I do. But it's okay. Yeah. The thought that it would be that. And then we heard the response. Yeah.

Not only are we not alone, but they know we're there probably. That's why the loop happened. That's why the call happened. And then the response was like, I'm watching them. So I'm watching them. Yeah. And that's the thing. It gave you that vibe.

And so we're there and we hear this. And I was, I was legitimately stunned because I was caught off guard. Like, I was not thinking Bigfoot in that moment. I was thinking, give me some Nazis. Give me some Nazi goes. Let me piss a freaking Nazi ghost off real quick. Hey, I'm Puerto Rico. Is that count for anything?

I was just like trying to piss something off. Didn't you also mention something about a lady in white or something like that? Yeah, so it was a dead woman's hollow. Dead woman's hollow. It was five miles away from there. Or five minute drive. So that was kind of like the precursor. We had talked about that coming up to the actual camp itself.

And you were like, dead woman's hollow, blah, blah, blah, blah. Guys went in there, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, what the heck? Yeah, yeah. Why would you even go in there to begin with? But at the same time, it's like, if that, if that ever hat like where let's say your proximity sometimes means that they do venture out if it's a ghost or something or a spirit like what if that happened and then we were getting the hits on the K2

yeah that's sure just like all that stuff like you know building up yeah yeah to the point where when that sound happened when we heard the whoop when we heard the call and the response i mean it was just it really was kind of unreal oh yeah absolutely it it caught both of us got off guard and stuff And, you know, a little bit later, as we're making our way back to more of the ruins area and stuff, we had some other, you know, interesting EVP hits and stuff around the ruins. Strong ones, too. Stronger than out in the woods, man. Like, way stronger than out in the woods. And it was really interesting.

I mean, sometimes it was hitting the red, just hitting hard, especially around the buildings. Yeah. I mean, it was really hitting hard. And we didn't even, like, say, is there a... anybody here with us. If you're here, make yourself known by making this meat or move. We just pulled it out.

And I just figured like, if there's something here, it will pop this off. And it popped off a lot, a lot. And again, no freaking audio. We had great conversation during that whole session. And you see me in the video talking.

And we actually cut lots of parts. I cut a lot of parts out that were really good stuff, but it just didn't fit when I didn't have audio. Like, it just didn't work. Like, some of the sounds we heard and bizarre things that happened, it just didn't fit. Yeah. Now, going back to this Bigfoot experience, that's what I'm calling it. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So it howls out. It's like it's almost like monitoring us. There are people right now listening that are saying, yep, that's what Bigfoot does, malfunctioning, malfunction of electrical equipment and I can't argue with that. Like, I can tell you that it wasn't mysterious. Like,

all of a sudden, the battery's drained. Yeah. You know, things like that. But what are the freaking odds that we drop the camera? We think it's fine, but the court is snapped. And at the moment I turn off my camera, my light, and we're just using yours and we're getting that hit on the EVP, that thing house off and your audio's not working. It's almost like a freaking new, dude. Yeah. Almost like a freaking new. And tell them. the people what you experienced, though, in that moment that you didn't tell me at the moment. Well, it doesn't matter because we didn't have audio, so it doesn't matter. But we did catch it on camera because when we got back to the truck and we were talking,

I forgot my camera was still on. I sat on a dashboard so that this conversation was actually caught on video. The video is a little sideways because I lay on the dash. But tell the people what happened to you. Well, so, I mean, not, like I already said, I was uneasy to begin with going up, you know, with not having anything to protect myself. But the point being that as soon as we kind of like ventured out into that open area there, actually walking up to the trails, I didn't feel very good.

So basically, I just started to feel sick, sick to my stomach, like that, you know, nauseous feeling. And probably it was, you know, from, I rationalized it in the sense that I feel like it was probably just my nerves getting to me, probably about not having protection or anything like that just to, you know, to keep myself at ease. But it could have honestly been something else. I mean, when you told you talked, you're like, let me come in on this part now. Okay. Because like, you didn't tell me. No. That you had that experience in the moment. But a good friend of my, Dave Groves, he's been on the show. I forget what episode. I think it was

called Pennsylvania Bigfoot or Bigfoot in Pennsylvania. He had sightings. And one of the areas that he went to that he was invited to when he was walking into the area with the two people, I think there was two people that invited him out there, he drops to his knees sick. Like, he got very, very ill. Like, he felt like he just wanted to throw up. And, and then the feeling went away. And they, and they, they kind of chuckled at them. And they're like, yeah, that happens to everybody the first time they come out here. And it's this phenomenon that people experience sometimes when it comes to this paranormal activity, whether it's Bigfoot, Dogman. I don't know about Dogman, but Bigfoot, I've heard about it for years and even paranormal stuff.

And, you know, people suggest that maybe it's infrasound and they're hitting you with infrasound and all that stuff. I don't know. But one thing's for sure is we heard a Bigfoot how, whether you want to agree with it or not, the Bigfoot how happened during equipment malfunctions, which is very common with Bigfoot experiences. And you got freaking sick, which is another common thing during these situations. And so the fact that you can't believe in Bigfoot, no, I'm just kidding.

Listen, I understand you got to see it to believe the kind of thing. And I hope to one day Bigfoot just comes and palms your head. Yeah, or I mean, or like some of the experiences that people have, I mean that you've already had on the show and stuff, like that, even if I have an experience like that, where it's almost conclusive in my mind that that's happened, it doesn't necessarily mean that I have to see something, but that it's almost nothing else could explain away what it could have been. Because there are other things, like to me, other things could have been what explained that.

It could have been some sort of ghost, you know, making noise to, because if we're talking about things that could have happened where the malfunctions would happen, like, what if a spirit, like, you know, knew that we were, like, I don't know, like a ghost spirit that was still hanging around the Palmaia camp, knocked the camera off the, the hood and bent the cord, but knew that, like, you know, it would just corrupt our file. I don't know. Like, it's going to stretches, but so is Bigfoot being able to, you know, manipulate that kind of stuff. So I look at it like that. I mean, who knows what it could have been. And we were talking about

spirits the whole time going up there. We talked a little bit about Bigfoot on our way up. Yeah. But that's the way I look at it. You know? Yeah. It was just a trippy night. And to wrap it all up, we were in the truck kind of wrapping the night up. And while you were talking, you heard a scream outside. Yeah. And it was just a chilling experience in the moment. We just had like, again, the video on YouTube is like probably 50% of what we experienced that night. I know. I know. It was just that the sounds that we were hearing and the conversation we had, like, and the experiences we had that you just kind of saw video of some of them. Like, it just really doesn't do, it didn't do justification as to what we had going on.

And when you heard a scream while we were in the truck, it just is just like, okay, this is creepy. Yeah, did I, I don't even know if I asked you if you heard it or not. I didn't hear it. No. Nope, I didn't hear it at all. That was what was weird. It was back into your side that I heard it. Really? Well, yeah, it was kind of closer to where we heard that the other call. Yeah.

And that's why I was kind of just like, what the heck? In mid sentence, too. Because it caught me off guard in mid sentence. I heard it. And I was like, so this is where my mind went so much on the side of like that stupid dead woman's hollow thing that I'm like, is she like, is she out there? Like, literally, is that what happened? Like, did she just come out because she knew we were there?

and we were going to look for stuff and maybe she hit something outside. Like, who knows? I don't know. Maybe there's like dead, you know, maybe there was a cemetery and we weren't supposed to go venture out there and that's what was keeping us there. And the screams were to keep us away. Okay. So anyway. But no, that's why I just like that when that happened and we heard the scream after all of that other stuff happened, we're in the truck, I was like, first of all, I'm thankful. We're in the truck. At least like there's something to stop stuff. Too bad we weren't in the hammocks. That would have been epic. That would have been epic. I would have probably heard it. Yeah, you would have actually.

That would have been great because that would have at least kind of like validated it in my mind. That would have been such another part of the journey too. Dude, like, can imagine if we were in hammocks and we heard it like, we ain't going to sleep. There ain't no. No. Like, it's like, okay, get the cameras out. Let's go freaking, let's go. Let's like,

it was like, oh, God. It was such a good trip for us. And I just wish the viewers could have witnessed a good chunk of what we witnessed. Yeah. And that's we're going to go back. When I got back home that day, I talked to Lon Strickler, which I'm going to try to schedule to have on the show. He's an awesome guy. And also Timothy Renner, which is another

awesome guy, strange, familiar. Shout out to them. And I talked to these guys about the area because they research it and stuff. And Timothy told me he would take me out to specific locations that people have had encounters with Dogman and things like that. So like we're going to do Michelle State Forest more. And it's just going to be a really cool experience. And this is the kind of stuff that we're trying to do with Legion of Legends. Yeah. And so back when I first came up with the idea of doing this, we were calling it Chasing Legends. I found out there was another show called Chasing Legends.

And so I was like, okay, let's come up with something else. And then actually, Kyle from episode 335 Dog versus Dogman, I was doing a live talking about this. I was like, guys, help me, you know, pick a new name for the show. And he came up with Legion of Legends. I'm like, that's perfect. And the initials is L-O-L. And maybe people are going to be L-O-Ling when they watch it. I don't know.

That's okay. I mean, we're good. We're goofball. We're just out there trying to do our best to find cool things for you guys to see, you know, whether... Enjoy. I mean, honestly, it's our own reaction to it, too. We enjoy this kind of stuff. Yes, big time.

And so the fact that we're, like, we're really just documenting stuff that we would be experiencing to begin with. It's honestly just what we, like, first of all, you research this stuff a little bit more than I do. So it's kind of your field of entertainment and what you love. and I just love to be there with you and see this kind of stuff as well. I'm so intrigued by any sort of crazy things that could happen, whether or not I believe in things or not.

Yeah. It doesn't matter. I love that kind of ride. I'm along for the ride. Let's go, bro. Let's go. I'm just so excited about these journeys you and I are going to be going on. And a good chunk of them are going to be local.

But, you know, some of them, I mean, I was invited to a property that butts up next to Skinwalker Ranch. and that's obviously a far away from home. And so I got to see if I can figure out the logistics of all that. And Chernobyl. You and Chernobyl, man. I still have a flight tracker, man. I'm not doing it. I have a flight tracker.

I'm not doing it. It's not expensive. I'm not going to Russia, okay? I'll do it. Okay, you go alone then. Let me know how it goes. Like, I'm going to freaking Kentucky alone. Thanks, Jack.

I'll live stream you in. Yeah, let's just let's just let people know right now. you're not coming with me to Kentucky, which sucks. Like, you were planning on it, but you just couldn't justify it. It happened relatively last minute. Like, we had kind of planned it from the beginning of the summer almost. I think it was probably from June that we had planned. I was going to go.

And obviously, business things popped up. There's just no way I could feasibly go. Yeah, it's all good, though, man. I'm going to have, because the second half of the week, I'm going further south. I know. Alone. I know. And then I'm going to have to drive, like, 14 and a half hours back home.

You have no idea how upset I am that I'm not going to I want to be there. I know. I would be there right now with you. While everybody's listening, I would be there. We could die together. We could die together. I know. Leave dad with no son.

It's a blood pact. We're in this together. Like, can you imagine dad trying to record and produce Hammerlay Legends alone? Because he lost both his sons to either dog man or the crazy or stuff that we're getting into later on that week. Like he'd be like, okay, I think Tony said push the R button for record. He's just pressing the R button. He's not, no control.

Just pressing. Yeah. Anybody listening right now, we have enough. another podcast, Hammer Lane Legends, which is a trucking podcast where me and my dad talk to people. It's a very similar format to this show where we talk to people who drive for living truckers, Uber drivers, police officers, who've seen crazy experiences from the road, not always paranormal. In fact, a big chunk of it isn't paranormal. It's just banana stuff like trucks flipping over and jumping things and planes crashing.

Planes crashing. Yeah, crazy stuff. Tons. But we had that show, Hammer Lane Legends, and you actually produce it, which is really cool because it really makes me proud that people. will comment about how the production value of Hammer Lane Legends, and I'm just like, man, I freaking clone myself. It's awesome. Like, like, people don't even know it half the time that you're the producer of it, but you are the producer of Hammer Lane Legends. All right, let's switch gears

now for the last part of this show. What are we doing? I want to ask you some questions that people submitted because I put on our Instagram. If you're not following us on Instagram, please go follow us. We're like, I don't know, 800 followers away from breaking 10,000 follows. I would love to break 10,000 followers. So if you're not following us on Instagram, please go ahead and follow us. And if you're not on Instagram, just make an account and follow me just to make me happy.

I mean, just come on, throw me a bone. But so people, I submitted, you know, ask questions. And people ask questions. And so I want to go through some of these questions. I have not read these questions before beforehand. So we will see how things go. There's quite a few. So I'll try to bang through as many as possible.

Try to do, you know, more rapid fire answers. Sure. You know, but don't, don't short. I'm a thoughtful guy, so it's going to be tough. Don't short on the answers either. Sure. The first question submitted was, will you, this is by Michael the Man, will you do monthly wrap-ups again?

Oh, that's a good question. I mean, we kind of stopped it because the amount of time it took me to do it was just getting to be a little too much. Like I, if none of you know, I have a business that I have to take care of a lot. Give your business a shout out for anybody in the eastern Pennsylvania area. Yeah, Greenway, natural pest control. you can find it at www. Greenway Natural Pest Control.com.

Basically, I mean, you know, with all that, I have, I mean, and I just had to get a truck and all this stuff this week. It just took a lot of time to begin with with the wrap-up shows. However, you know, being a little bit more efficient with this kind of stuff, who knows, it could happen at some point. But yeah, I'm not going to give you a yes or no. I'll be that Switzerland. I'll just stay in the middle.

Yeah, people really like those things too. So, I mean, if you ever find time and you want to get into it again, that's cool with me. but I'm definitely not doing because I'm books. Yeah, there's no way. But, okay, so the next question here is from Clovis, the humble. And Clovis says, what's the dumbest thing Tony has ever said? I don't know. Yeah, there's a lot. Carefully. Oh, snap. No, yeah. It's true, though. He's a good guy, though. I try to be. But, no, I mean, like, you know, it's like probably at least one a day, you know. I'm not even going to lie. Like, it's just when we have conversations, like, there are, there's a few, there's a few in a conversation.

It's not that there's like, it's that I say things that make you go, what did you just say? Yes. So whether it's like the shock value of it or the absolute, like, I don't even know if I can comprehend what just came out of your mouth. Like, that's what ends up happening. And it's not. I say things on purpose to get the shock value. Sometimes, sometimes it's just like you, you don't even know what you said. Yeah, that's true.

What did I just say? Yeah, it happens. It definitely happens. Like my mouth runs a lot of times faster than my brain runs. And so it's just like, who knows what's going to happen? I'm a little stupid. But all right. So Donnie Cho says, actually he has two questions. And I love Donnie. He's an awesome guy. We actually met him on the trip to the Burnbrae Mansion. He came on with us that we did a few months ago with the professionals. We're actually planning another trip here soon. I was just talking to Creed this week. And we're planning another trip. So just putting a bug out there. Any of you guys who missed the first trip to the Burnbrai Mansion, we're planning another one. So if you wanted to go on the first one, you missed it, we can get you in there on the second one. So Donnie says, Jack, what's the maddest you've ever seen, Tony?

Oh, man. Actually, honestly, there have been times when I thought you were going to kill somebody. So, I mean, like, you know, pretty angry. You're making me sound like a bad guy. Oh, man. No, you're not. You just, it's just like there are times when emotions get the best of us. and some of those times I've seen you.

I mean, I probably haven't seen you the most angry out of anybody. Lindsay's probably seen you the most angry. I mean, you're the most. No, I, well, I can tell you from recently, I mean, you've seen me like beat red, lost my voice the next day, angry. Yeah. And like it's just so I, and like I've said before on the show, I love people. I really do. And when you hear me on the show, you hear me talking to somebody who wants to talk to me and I want to talk to them.

and I want to talk to them, and it's pleasant. But I have a very, very short fuse for a lot of nonsense. Yeah, yeah. Which is a lot of the times, the reasons why you get beat red and you lose your voice. And honestly, like, you really don't, like get to that point most of the time, but if, like, something stupid happens, yeah, it's like, you know, that's the way it goes. So I would say, you know, pretty, pretty angry, but never to the point of anything crazy. You're just, you're a lovable guy most of the time.

Well, yeah. Sure. I'm giving you some credit. I know. I know. I almost chopped my legs out from underneath me. Yes. No, but when I was, I think 21, I had just got my first truck driving job.

I was actually teaming up with a guy. And whenever something bad would happen, he would just let out an angry, loud, his veins popping out of his neck, F bomb. And the one day I was like, dude, why do you do that? Like, why do you freaking flip out at the smallest things? and he said because his counselor told him just let it out and stop bottling up your emotions and anger and just let it out and then move on and so that's how he just let it out and move on in my early 20s was like oh there's a lot of wisdom in that and so i'm just like i'm not going to hide my

emotions anymore if you you took it too so he's just like i'm just not going to hold it in you're like i'm never going to hide myself from anybody i know i'm going to walk around growling yeah yeah Listen, I'm so much better than what I was in my 20s. Like, like, he, I can pinpoint. That was the, that was the moment that that switch turned on. I was like, I'm not going to bottle my emotions anymore and let myself get driven mad. When I get angry, I'm just going to let it out. It is a good piece of advice.

And it helped me, I guess. I don't know. Okay, so Donnie also says, Jack, tell me a story of when you and Tony got into a fight as kids. That never happened. You're 10 years younger than you. Yeah, I mean, we got in fights. I mean, that one time at church, I still feel like an idiot about that one. I don't remember that.

Well, good. Because we're not going to bring it up on air. But, no, I mean, like, we really, because of our age gap, I don't think we ever really gotten in a fight. I mean, I probably, you know, pissed you off a few times as like a five-year-old or an eight-year-old. But other than that, I mean, not much. Even as adults, I'll be honest with you, even going into adulthood and as adults, I don't think we ever really got into fight.

You've just been like irritated or aggravated with me. That's about it. Yeah. And if I'm wrong, correct. No, we get along pretty well, man. Like, we really do. And like I said, I mean, like when I moved out of the house, I was 17 years old, you were seven. Yeah.

Like, I'm not beating up on a seven-year-old. It was more like my, because at that time, you were probably my best friend. We were in the same room together. So it was just like, you know, what the heck? Like, you moved out and now I had, who am I going to hang out that night? Yeah. So wandering E. G says, have you ever put Tony's voice through an Alvin in the chipmunks filter?

Okay. Oh, man, I should. Be careful. Be careful. Just slip that in the middle of a Hamerlane Legend episode. Be careful. You're walking, you're treading some. That'll be in the bloopers at the end.

Don't worry. Okay. No, I don't care if you do. It would be funny, actually. Oh, Donnie's back again with another question. Simple question for Jack. Have you listened to all the episodes of the confessions? No.

No. No. I've listened to... Like what? One, two? No, I've listened to... I can probably count them on two hands. I'm sure. Yeah, honestly. Like, I'm not even trying to be a jerk. The audience knows episode 335 Dog vs. Dogman.

It is a really good episode and you refuse to listen to it. Such a jerk. I was going to listen to it tonight. I forgot that you had to drive me back. So I was going to listen to it tonight. And, you know, now I'll just have to listen to it at some other point. There you go. There you go. Okay. So Dan Gleason says, what's your favorite adventure you went on with your brother?

Honestly, probably when we went up to Titusville. Titusville? Really? That's a close second. That was fun. In comparison to when we went to Chittaca as well. I just like the long drive. It's just fun.

And then we get to stay somewhere it's fun. Yeah, it was fun. Vulcum says, well, we already know the answer to this. Favorite episode? What do you have? Do you have a favorite episode? Oh, yeah. My favorite episode was actually,

No, it was the Inakian technology one. Oh, yeah? Yeah, that's a, that's a fan favorite. I think most people fell in love with that episode. And Skinwalker Ranch was good, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So I've listened to, I've listened to those. You mean Stardust Ranch. Star Dust Ranch. My bad. My bad. Yeah. Well, look at that. Yeah, I was actually talking to John Edmonds earlier a couple months ago,

and him and I are trying to schedule something for maybe later this year. But it's just hard with schedules and stuff. But we'll get it done, I'm sure, eventually. All right. So, Miggs. 402 says, what's something you would like to change about your brothers, the Confessionals podcast? I don't know. I mean, you guys already know I barely listen to it. It's not even like it's bad. It's just I don't listen to me about Bigfoot. I don't really listen to stuff about Bigfoot.

Sadly, I should just to at least, you know, no more. But anyway, it would be fun for you to have an experience not listening to anything and not caring about it. I would love to catch that on video. I, you know what I would change? I would never. put pop music in any of the episodes ever. All of the old episodes, no pop music would ever be in any of those episodes. I love pop. I love ED-I love all music. I don't mind EDM. That's one thing that, like, about me is that I really do like all music.

I don't really care for the metal that's like the growling kind of, you know, stuff. But I like classic rock. I like, I love country music. Yeah, I can't believe you love country. I love country music. It's just like this is the shift from what I remember of you growing up. And then like, I'll see like my taste changed so much as I got older. Okay, so Miggs asked another question.

I think this might be the best question of the evening. And I haven't read them all yet. Okay. Do you have a girl or a wife? No, I don't. Okay. Short answer, huh? Yeah, I mean, there's one answer to it.

No. All right. So, listen, of all the ladies listening that might be single, you can, can I give your phone number out again? No. The OG listeners know exactly what that means. Oh, man. I still get birthday wishes on there too.

I do. Voice mails and text messages. I'm sorry if I don't reply to some of those too, by the way. Thank you for those. That's okay. You don't have to apologize. I appreciate the people. But listen, any ladies listening right now that want to throw their name in the

hat, go ahead and shoot us an email and just into the subject line say, I want to date Jack and we'll see what happens, you know? We're running a dating service now, too. Okay, let's keep it moving before I get killed on the way home. I'm just shaking my head. This is from B2 the bomber. What weapon would you use to kill a dog man? I mean, if lightsabers existed, I would use a lightsaber.

Okay. But they don't. To kill a dog man. I mean, can I just use a gun? Is that okay? Depends if dogman is just a physical creature, I guess. Yeah, well, then what am I going to use? Holy Water?

I'll tell you what. I'm not going to spoil it on this episode, but one of the people, I'm bringing with me has a very interesting take on Dogman as to what it could be. And I'm just like, hmm, that's interesting, you know. You got to tell me then. Yeah, I will. No, yeah, I don't know. Probably if I just had my hands on a gun, I'd use a gun. Well, yeah, I mean, who wouldn't, right? At least take your chances there. All right. So Hayden says, what is the origin of Bigfoot and Dogman? Any thoughts on that? If you believed? Did you just add that? Yeah. I was going to say, I don't think they you would have added to that.

Oh, I mean, I have no idea. I, you know, I probably would think more practically. It's just like a mutated version of an ape or a dog, you know. Yeah. But it could, like, the one, the one that I do remember, I think, I don't even remember how long ago that episode was that, like, the UFO Bigfoot, that could be interesting to me. Yeah.

Interdimensional Bigfoot. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, you do, I'm assuming you do believe in interdimensional. Yes. That's why I think that's possible. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Well, let's see. if you believe this is possible. Hayden also asked, is the Earth hollow? I think it's possible, too. I think it's very possible. We've talked about that, you and me. Like what we talked about, yeah, I'm sorry, this is your second.

No, no, I was just going to say, we've talked about it before. Like, I don't know how many times. And even back when, like, I first started listening to anything conspiratorial or just, you know, not off, you know, mainstream or anything, you know, I'd listen to Justin. Justin Fall, yeah. And that was the first impetus to, you know, getting me into understanding Hollow Earth and stuff like that. Yeah.

You know, I don't know if it's actually hollow or not. And I don't think anybody actually knows for sure. But to me, that's an honest one that could happen. I mean, it depends on how far you want to go with the hollow earth theory. But I can definitely tell you there are deep, huge, big underground caverns that you could say, yes, this is hollow earth. You know, I mean, like I mentioned earlier, Mammoth Cave System, like it's huge. It's absolutely huge. And we got to get lost in it.

Okay, moving on. Let's see here. It's hard to read these. Such small print. I'm getting old, I guess. Cardboard God Collectors says... Oh, that's an interesting name. I know.

That's why I had so long as small print. What was it like being Tony's little bro? Pretty good, honestly. I remember one time going to a basketball game with him. I think it was his senior year with Massey. And I just remember being like the girl, the girl magnet for you. Yeah, that's that. Yep, I remember that now.

Yeah. Yeah, I was just the cute little brother. Yeah, he's cute. I'm like, you got to come with me more often, bro. Get in the back seat. I don't want to. Get in the back seat. Yeah, no.

Yeah, I mean, that was it. You had that mentality when it came to barbecue chips. Get barbecue chips. That's true. That was it. I was known if there is a bag of barbecue chips and you let me open it, it's going. It's gone. Yeah.

You better get in there fast. Which is why I didn't like giving them to you because I knew that I wouldn't have any. Yeah. I don't share food. I was like, I still am. I'm like the freaking family. you know, trash can. Some of the best memories I have before,

I don't want to ride this one too long, but was wrestling on the couches and let you, you letting me jump off of the corner of the couch and just flip onto your stomach. You were like two. Yeah, like two or four or something. Oh, you four? It was when we lived at the other house.

Dude, yeah, I remember that. Because I think about that with my son who is going to be four in December, and I'm like, oh, my body would hurt so bad if I let him do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's also huge for his age. He's a big kid, yeah. Yeah, he's a brick.

But, all right, Derek says, Derek Olson, Shout out to Derek Olson. He actually hooked me up with a gun holster that I use all the time. That's a red one I use all the time. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah. So he makes them.

Do you ever have family spooky campfire slash at home stories you share with your family? I don't think so. I mean, like, we kind of just banter around the table a lot. Like, that's just our family's style as we just talk and talk about everything. So if anybody had anything creepy that happened, like when you have stuff that happened here, like, you know, we talk about it as a family, but that's pretty much it. The furthest we've gone to a campfire was when we just had vacation and we all sat around the fire and just chatted about stuff that had happened.

Yeah. So, that was about it. So, all right, we got two more here. Angel, I'm not going to try to pronounce the rest of it. Angel O'Monte design. So you still tried to pronounce it? Yeah, I, yeah. I felt bad.

I felt bad. Okay. Pizza or tacos? Pizza. Pizza? Although, yeah, tacos are growing on me recently. Like, Lindsay makes killer tacos. Yeah, but I, so here's what I like.

I don't like ground beef tacos. I like, uh, like carnitas or, like some sort of pork. Yeah. Like, or even though a really good steak because that just made good steak tacos the other day. But, uh, yeah, man, that's, if I'm going to have tacos, it's not ground beef taco. I'm not like Taco Bell tacos. Okay.

All right. Sounds, yeah, no, pizza is just incredible. All right. If we're ordering out, I'm doing pizza straight up. You're not going to catch me ordering Taco Bell because that. That joint. I'm going to eat it and it's going to be coming out the other end in five minutes. Like what's the point of eating something that doesn't last? Like I'm out of here.

All right. So last question from the professor. I think this is a good question to end it on. Wait, wait. The professor? The professor. You know what I'm saying? No.

Not that professor. Okay. All right. Good, good, good. So, oh, I just got a text from Sam Triply. Awesome, dude. Shout out to Sam Tripley and the tinfoil hat. Love that show. All right.

So the professor. says, and this is the last question and we'll wrap things up, how do you get rid of drain flies? Oh, that's a good one. He apparently knows that you're a bug man. There you go. So there's, I mean, obviously one of the things you have to do is try and get rid of the source. So a lot of times if your drain is clogged or has any sort of debris in it, I mean, just, you know, clean it out. Use a snake and, you know, some drain-o and whatever. Clean it out. But some of, like a more natural method, you can use some borax or baking soda and pour it down the drain, allow it to kind of sit for a while.

Don't, don't rinse it out right away, but let it sit, and it soaks up a lot of the moisture and all the other gunk and stuff, and then you can rinse it out. You know, and other things that I do is just,

like, it depends on how bad the issue is and how long it lasts, but sometimes you just have to spray certain things down a drain to be able to kill stuff. So, I mean, you know, depends on what you want to do, but those are some other methods. I can't give away all my secrets,

okay? I can't give them all away, because there are other things I do, but that's about, you know, stuff I feel comfortable with you can probably look it up online, that'll also help. I usually just use gasoline, dump it down the drain.

Sure, that's a real good way to go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, if you don't like your pipes at all, sure. Yeah, just dump it down there. Does the trick. Just drain it out a little bit, you know, the water's fine. So, all right, friends, listen, I know this is a little bit of change-of-pace show,

but I wanted to do something a little different for this week since I'm in Kentucky, and I figured why not, since we're doing Legion of Legends for an entire week in Kentucky, why not do a Legion of Legends show, talking about, you know, the origins of the show, trips we've done, where we're going to be going in the future. And I thought, you know, the last half hour touch of doing the questions with Jack would be fun too. Hopefully you enjoyed this show. And if you did, please go ahead and share the show. I don't care where or how you share the show. Text it to people. FaceTime. I don't care. Call people left and right. Say you got to check out the confessionals because, you know, Tony told me to tell you. So there you go. Call your local

exterminator and share the show that way. There you go. Thank you. Yeah. Awesome. So all right, friends. Thanks for tuning in. Until next week. Stay safe. Take care. And remember. Remember, the truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. Bye. Awaken from the forest and the depths of the abyss. This creature is a paradigm of time lost and time itself. It fears no one. It adheres to no rule that man can create.

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