The Confessionals - 395: The Mysterious Randonautica

Episode Date: November 30, 2021

In Episode 395: The Mysterious Randonautica, we are joined by Josh Lengfelder, the CEO of the Randonautica app! Ever since the Randonautica app was released, we’ve received emails from listeners asking for our thoughts and opinions about it. Some people love the app and enjoy the random adventures that it takes them on, while others feel there is something dark and sinister behind it. Some people have even accused the app makers of foul play. As the app’s founder, Josh discusses Randonautica with us with openness and sincerity, describing the process of the app’s creation by hooking it up to a quantum computer based in Australia, which spits out random locations for its users to investigate. But, because no one fully comprehends quantum physics, even the Randonautica team itself is still learning how to understand the creation they have built.Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinMAILING ADDRESS:STE 36188 Glocker Way,Pottstown, PA 19465WHO SAW THE MEN IN BLACKAmazon Prime: https://amzn.to/3oknNM6Other Playing Platforms: https://geni.us/WhoSawTheMenInBlackSPONSORSGET RAYCON: buyraycon.com/confessionalsGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals14 Promo Code: "confessionals14" for 14 FREE MEALS!!!GET ACORN.TV: acorn.tv/ Promo Code: "tony" (Code must be applied in all lowercase letters!)Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7h Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel Josh's book:The Official Guide to Randonautica: https://amzn.to/3pd4Uv8

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redirect you right to where you need to go. All right, this week we have Josh coming on the show, and he is the CEO of Randonautica app. Shout out to Josh for coming on the show, making the time to talk to us. Over the years, I've had people ask me about the Randonautica app. I am fascinated by this app. I've always have been the idea of going out onto a random adventure. Like, this app is supposed to give you random coordinates that you are supposed to go and find random things at these random coordinates. Like, you set an intention in your head, like I'm looking for treasure. Then it will give you this spot to go check and you go there and you're looking around to see if there's anything there. Usually, he said within like one to three tries, you're finding something anomalous at these

locations. It's really interesting. And I was always interested in and just the idea of the event you're going out and checking out new things, things that you normally wouldn't go and do if you weren't using the app. And over the years, though, there's been a lot of controversy about the Rano Naka app. Some people suggest it's like a Ouija board and you're actually talking to spirits and they're directing your path. Josh comes on to dispel some of that stuff and maybe even let some credibility in a sense to that stuff as well. I had a great conversation with Josh,

and he goes into a lot of different things, but I will tell you, friends, that we are not here to tell you what to think when it comes to using this app or these kind of things in general. I am not the host of this show trying to dictate what people should think. I just host conversation with interesting people,

whether it's their experiences or people like Josh, and I let you guys decide, And we live in a world right now where you're not really taught how to think for yourselves. We're living in a culture where everything's telling you what to think, how to think. And I'm here to tell you for this kind of stuff. I'm not trying to tell you what to think. I am just presenting information, stories to you. And it's up to you to make up your own decision as to what you think, how you feel you want to pursue this app.

If you want to pursue the app, those are the things that I want you guys to do as my listening audience. And so with that said, I just want you to keep that in mind as we have this conversation at no point in time, am I trying to convince people, or is Josh trying to convince people to use the Randonautica app? I have it on my phone. I honestly, friends, am just very curious about it. And we have a good conversation. And I want you guys to listen to this conversation. So let's get to Josh and this fascinating conversation about the Randonautica app using quantum physics, a quantum computer to find these random generated locations. Let's go. All right. Today we got Josh on the show from Randonotica app. Josh, how you doing, man?

Good, Tony. Thanks for having me on. I know a lot of people are excited about this one. So I'm ready to have some fun. Talks to some weird stuff. Maybe some secrets, maybe. So that people don't know about yet. I dig it, man. Listen, if we can get, if we can get into the hidden secrets and stuff behind the doors of Randonautica or whatever, I'm down for that action, man. I, uh, I absolutely am fascinated by this app and I have been for years. I, um, when I first came across Rano-Natacab is when you guys first came out, I'm assuming. I mean, this is probably like three years ago, four years ago. Yeah, it was about three years ago, I think, at this point. I have no conception of time, so it's hard for me to tell. But yeah, I was, yeah, it was about two or three years

ago. We officially launched the app in February of 2020. It was when we released the app. But before that, we had a telegram bot going that was sending people to random places. So we caught a lot of mainstream movement and stuff before we even release an app. And for the longest time, I was just like begging people to make apps to go make you go to random places. And now there's like 50 rip-off apps of ours. But like for a long time, I was just trying to get people interested in the idea because people like just were so like sketched out about it.

And like the same things that we're seeing repeating now, we'll get into later, I'm sure. But like with the whole public perception and these fake YouTube videos and stuff, it's been there since the beginning. And these same elements have been there since the beginning. And it's like almost like this shadow projection. So when you're random nodding,

you're literally what we call a random point is called an anomaly. Because we use this, my machine interaction algorithm, right? So this supposedly our hypothesis is, that your brain influences this random number generator, which can take you to a place that you are thinking about or talking about or you set your intention towards finding a certain thing.

And so, like, we started this thing, and it was, like, 25 to 30-year-old seekers, pretty much, like, and we were, like, really seeing it seriously as an experiment, and then it blew up on TikTok and went crazy. And people started using it for reasons that, the original members would never do like going out with the intention of looking for death. Like we would never use it that. It wasn't intended for that. But it became that because the collective unconscious,

especially being locked up in COVID lockdown and everything, that's what was on people's minds. And so you kind of saw the collective unconscious conjure this death and scariness. And then that's what really took hold. And they found the dead body. And that's what really like blasts this. I mean, it was like, going on national TV, like the next day,

rearranging my girlfriend's apartment, my now my now wife. Like, it's crazy. Like, how that happened. Like, but we ended up being part of a story that solved like a crime, you know, that people will see,

oh, they just kind of did body. It must be bad. But that's really your shadow projection of what your intention is based on, yeah, really. It's like looking into a mirror.

because it's based on your intention. So if you only see the bad parts, that's really you're looking at yourself, kind of, in my opinion. Yeah. And that's interesting that you say that with the whole collective consciousness and how things were in 2020

and obviously 2021. And the finding the dead bodies and things like that. So the way this is, this is happening then is so you, you were trying to find somebody to build this random generator app. and where does the quantum level of a computing come in play here?

Because from what I understand, there's some kind of quantum computer in Australia that you guys are using. Yeah, basically we're using a quantum number generator that's used in Australia. And they offer an API that anyone can use. You can go to the website. It's 2rNG.a.anu.edu. Anyone can use it. it's a reliable source of quantum random numbers. And so like the idea is that quantum random numbers are truly random.

They're truly unpredictable. Whereas pseudo random numbers, which is what people generally generate like on their phones or it's using a lot of software for a lot of reasons. But it's generated deterministically. So like there's a seed and if you know that seed, you can predict the entire string of random numbers. However, with the quantum one, there's no predicting it that that anyone is found so far anyway that so it's seen as being truly

random and so that's why we have the options of using pseudo randomness which hypothetically could not be influenced by consciousness because it's already deterministic it's already set in stone what the numbers are going to be whereas a quantum random number generator could be any number and there's no way to expect it. It's a high level of entropy. And so what entropy does is it makes this unexpected kind of like thing that your mind can influence. That's the hypothesis. And so once your mind influences the entropy, it becomes non-random.

So if you used a random number generator to find a location that you were thinking about finding, that's not a random event. That's actually a causal event. So that's the kind of paradox. It's kind of interesting. It's like it's all random nodding. It's all random. But if you truly did influence it, it wouldn't be random. It would actually be causal.

So there are a lot of different ways to look at it. A lot of people have their own pet theories. and that's part of the I think the fun of it is a really kind of like has a pet theory like what we call anomalies this is where I was going like this

now I remember what we call anomalies are these like close clusters of random dots put on a radius and they're so densely clustered that they are

so statistically different from a normal random distribution that we think there might be something interesting there. But when we talk about anomalies, the brain sees an anomaly as a threat. So we go about our daily lives and it's something that's out of place, we notice it and we, you know, our brain is kind of kind of telling us to protect ourselves from that. And so what we found is people have a sense of despair or fear just at the prospect of going to a random location.

Like there must be something behind it. It must be human traffickers. They must be collecting our data. We don't. We don't sell any data. We don't do anything like that. Like it's not hackable. People will come up with all these explanations.

Like they're listening to our phones and then sending us to a place that has something to do with us. And like that would be so much harder than what we're actually doing. Like if we had the capacity to do that, we would be like billionaires probably. Yeah. But we were not doing it. that. We're doing experimental consciousness research, which unfortunately isn't like the big money thing right now. But I think it is kind of sort of going in that direction. No, I think it definitely is going in that direction. And one word of advice is somebody who's

been dealing with this type of community for at least five years publicly, the moment you start collecting people's data, you lose your base. So like these are the people who are really into the random nodding and this kind of stuff, they have a general. distrust of authority. Absolutely. As do I. I mean, and we, our employees would quit if we started selling that data. Like, yeah, I mean, now you might as well just call yourself big tech.

I mean, that's, that's exactly. Exactly. And we said no to big tech. We got an offer from a big investment firm. And we said, no, we're going to bootstrap it. And we're going to just take the money that we make and feed our developers and not take the, because the first question they asked me was, how do we make this app more addictive? And I was like, whoa, this isn't about being addictive. This is about being more connected to the

world, finding places you didn't know about, you know, finding meaning, which is like the biggest problem I think in like our generation is like people have meaning, this feeling of meaninglessness. And when you find a synchronicity or a coincidence that's meaningful to you, you find meaning in that. And that's something that like, especially when you're cooped up in your household day and you literally can't go anywhere and you can't meet up with your friends, finding meaning in the outside world is like magic almost. And so it just works. And so I personally kind of like I was like a really true believer in the mind machine interaction stuff because I have seen some cool stuff or we can influence the odds of something like five to 10 percent above chance, which like was really exciting. because like if you consider that to like going to a casino or something and winning five to 10 percent above chance, you could make a lot of money. Like for instance, that's a practical application of gaming randomness.

So we're not really interested in gaming the stock market or casinos. But a lot of people who do this kind of research are going to casinos and they're using my machine interaction to influence slot machines. this is something I should not be saying, probably, but I am. And then once you can influence the slot machines, you can go to the car table and influence the decks that are being shuffled. So that's where I started going, well, does it matter if it's pseudo-random or collusion random? Is it or is it just awesome phenomenon that is going to happen regardless?

Because people go random nodding without the app. It's like there was the deriv, like, with a guide to board and all of those people, the letterists, the situationists, there's all these yogis who can make things manifest and like, it's like a city spiritual power like in a lot of traditions to be able to do this, like to kind of like know where you're going and know that you're going and know that you're going. And we just basically took a lot of steps out of it and just gave people a direction to go. And then once they start looking, they find it.

It's not in the app. It's in the brain. Like even the like influencing of probabilities and influencing of random number generators, it's using your brain as a biofeedback device. We're not claiming that the random number generator is accessing the conscious field. we're claiming or hypothesizing that your brain connects to the conscious field and the random number generator just acts as a biofeedback device. So it goes, oh, I'm kind of like looking at your brain where it's influencing the bias of this distribution of random numbers. And then it kind of like will find a hit point.

And it doesn't work every time. It doesn't work every time. And people will give us like a one-star review like, oh, I just found a street or something. It's like it's about the whole experience. Like you need to go like where you're going and coming and you can deviate from the journey and some of the coolest stuff I found just as to while I was random outing, but not at the point exactly. Like just it's better. The rule of fun basically is to tie three chains of points together.

So you start off somewhere, go somewhere random, then go somewhere, and then from there and then go there from there. And once you hit three, you'll usually find something that's just kind of weird and out of place. And like, unexplainable kind of. Just like, wow, that was weird. So that's what kind of tickled my fancy. So what, on what, all right, so if you're going to hit maybe something that's kind of out of place, one and three tries, and in consecutive, not like today, tomorrow, and the next day, what are the odds? of that, out of that, what are the odds of having an intention and finding that intention in one

of those places, you know? So that's something we're interested in and scientifically measuring. So we, like we said, we didn't collect data at all at all for a long time. And now we have anonymized data that people can, like, access in our company that's all anonymized, but we can start measuring kind of like where these anomalies are being generated and like if there are like more anomalies in certain places then because it may be environmentally mediated. So there's like one hypothesis.

There's a researcher who wants to do a collaboration with us that he's looking at places where there are magnetic anomalies. And he's wondering if, like, we could compare our data to see if there's more anomalies at magnetic anomaly zones. Could be, I don't know. But that's something interesting to look at that we're going to look at. That's cool. I mean, a lot of that kind of stuff is just, like, way above my head. I'm just like talking about the data and collecting data.

And I'm just like, okay. So tell me something. But so let me ask you this. And this is kind of maybe for me, but also the audience, you're describing how this kind of works and generally how you're trying to understand it because I just want to say to the audience, this is new technology. We don't understand a quantum realm. So like when we have an app that's using a quantum computer to do this kind of stuff,

it's so new that it's like you guys own the app, but you're still trying to figure out how it all works. And so if I can just maybe draw this picture, and you tell me if it's accurate or not, so what you're saying is our brains are already making these intense every day. They were always putting the stuff out. And because we don't totally understand the quantum realm, these thoughts for the beginning of time have been going into this quantum realm theoretically. And the app that you guys have, is basically like a landing spot for these intents that we have always been putting out.

And in my mind, I envision a car scenario. So I don't know if you're a car guy. I used to be a car guy. I'm kind of like recovering where I'm trying to forget everything I knew. But if you have a leak on your car, one thing that is an age-old trick is you take a piece of cardboard, you slide underneath your engine. And the next morning you come out, you see the drips on the cardboard, and you can see exactly where that was coming from.

Is it kind of like that where your brain is leaking these intense, and the app is like the cardboard just showing you where to go? Yeah, that's what I mean by biofeedback. So, like, when we have a blip of dots on this radius, it's, like, clustered to an improbable degree, they use what's called a Z score in consciousness research. So this is all research has been done. by the federal government, you can look up on CIA.gov Project Stargate, and I actually talked to the guy who the CIA bought the random number generators from. And he said that

there is no working theory about how this works. And it has maybe something to do with how things are connected and some kind of quantum mechanics to do with how everything is connected, but we don't know. It's a quantum mechanics we don't understand yet. So yes, to answer that question, we don't know. What we're doing is fiddling with little variables to see if we can get a practical effect out of it. So we're not so much concerned with a lot of like Dean Radin, Roger Nelson, those kind of people have done this research where they're like bringing people into labs and they're like pressing buttons to like, you know, make a ball move or a graph move up if they're concentrating and they'll bring in experience meditators and they'll do better on these tests than just regular people that they'll bring in for controls.

And those people are very concerned with proving some kind of statistical phenomenon. So that's not what we're doing at all. We're not measuring statistical phenomenon. We're measuring, I guess, phenomenological data, which is people's stories. We're really just interested in that. That was really my spin on it, kind of. I saw a random rubber generator and I said, hey, you could be the hero of your own legend through your own story

if you just go out into the unknown. And that was kind of my stamp on it. And people are going to have lots of different takes on it. And it's already happening. People are using this kind of idea and branching off and making cool stuff. So I'm excited about what maybe like gaming will look at or look like. can consciously influence, like, you know, if you're like, you know, shot somebody in CSGO or whatever, a counter strike or whatever, and part of it had to do with your intention and how strong

your intention was, that could be like, cool as a practical application or like, you know, thinking, I want my lights to turn on and then your lights just turn on. That would be a cool practical application. And there have been people who do stuff like this were allowed to make lights that light up in a circle. So this is like the first study I could find on this is they connected LED lights to a like radioactive decay isotope thing. And that was their method of generating randomness. And they would try and make the lights light up in a circle. And that was like the first study. And it was like in 1950 or 60 or something.

So like this research has been going on behind a veil though. Like we kind of pushed it more to the front and it's getting kind of obfuscated because like it's just this now a narrative about a scary act, which is I love being an urban legend. Like I love that. I think it's great. But there is like some science behind it. And so we're starting to work with real academics and, like, people who actually have PhDs who have spent 20 years in a lab studying this stuff. And they're finally kind of, like, opening up to us. And like, because we weren't strictly controlled, we were kind of punk rock about it.

Like, they never would have just unleashed what we did onto the internet. They would be like, let's have two people in a lab and see, you know. And then it's like we have this amazing infrastructure for like mass experiments on like human consciousness. And like I just felt like it was time for it to not be hidden anymore because it was already, this research was already going on behind closed doors. There's a marketing firm called Qualtricks, which you will find that they market to people, but they also did a public QRNG quantum random number generator test where they had

people look at a string of random numbers generated by a quantum number generator. And they said if the numbers were significant to them in some way. And most of the time, they were significant to them in some way. Like it was their address or it was their phone number or their friend's phone number or something. But it's funny to me that this marketing firm is experimenting in this same thing. So you could be marketed to based on intent. So a lot of people, you know, with a Facebook like thing, like, oh, I just thought of that.

I didn't type it into Google. I didn't say it. But somehow I got this ad for whatever butt wipes. I don't know. Yeah. But like, whatever, you were just thinking about it, but you weren't going to type it in. But it comes up. I think they're using it.

I think they're using it to market. I think they're using a market on people. I think they're using it on people. And I wanted people to use it for themselves. So that was kind of my mission. Well, it's the concept of, you know, you're thinking about a song on the radio, you turn on the radio in your car and all of a sense playing at that same spot in your head and stuff. Yeah.

There's something there. There's obviously something there because I just said something that you nod your head to because you've heard of it. You've probably experienced it. Everybody listening has experienced it. Right. So there's literally something there and they're trying to harness it. It just happened to me this past week in a way where I'm working on developing a new way I'm going to do interviews. I'm trying to scrap Zoom and all that stuff.

I'm trying to do something. Basically step my game up. And I'm looking at different technologies. And the next day, one of those technologies I hadn't found yet liked my show on Facebook. Wow. And so like it's like some, it could be easily, you know, them collecting my data and then selling my data to companies that want it kind of thing. But it, it's going to get to the point where. the consciousness. They are able to tap into the consciousness and they're like this little

cluster of dots over here is an anomaly. Let's go get that because it's already looking for us. You know, it's almost like reversing what we're doing here with random knot where it's like you're going to look for the anomaly. All of a sudden, somebody else identifies you as the anomaly and they come to you. Yeah. It's crazy. When coupled with machine learning, I think that you could really do some crazy stuff like that. This is only the conjecture that I've heard, but I've heard, that if you replace some machine learning algorithms random component with a more responsive piece of hardware because there's not all random generators are made the same.

I have one that uses electron tunneling technique, which is different than what randomatica uses. We use A&U's photon, so they're both bouncing a blazer off a mirror and counting the photons. And what this electron tunneling technique does, it's the same thing, but it's in like a USB stick style thing. So like there's different kinds of ways of generating this randomness. And like I don't know if I was like super into like finding out those variables and like,

but now I kind of am thinking it's a broader thing. And like it's everywhere. and it's not just with random number generators. It's like it's just popping up everywhere. Like it's bigger than I kind of expected. And I think that you looking at coincidences and stuff can be part of your spiritual journey, but it's not the end of it. It's just a little reminder that there's something going on.

It's not the end of it. You never go, oh, I had a coincidence and now I'm enlightened. You know, like it's not going to happen. I may be to somebody, but I have yet to see it happen. I think I've yet to see an enlightened individual truly. So, you know, I'm not claiming that it'll change your life. And in fact, I would warn people because people do use it as a divinatory technique where they're like, well, does this person love me?

And then they'll go to some random spot and try and like decipher what that place is telling them, which is called geomancy, which I think is very dangerous. because you're putting the choice in the hands of just randomness or some kind of influence that you have no idea what it is. What I like is using randomness to explore possibilities you would not have considered before and opening new potentials and new possible timelines, new possible probability tunnels. So like if you are in a neighborhood and all there are are our houses and you set your intent for like fairyland castle. Unless there's an actual fairyland castle like bounce house there, you're not going to find a fairyland castle. Like it only increases the probability of you finding

what is already there. It's not going to just like manifest a completely new dimension or something. But if you set your intent for a red door in a neighborhood, chances are you'll probably find a red door faster using randomautica than if you were just using your deterministic kind of like however you drive around that neighborhood, which you think is random, but it's not really random. So that makes sense. And that I know I almost feel like I shouldn't bring it back up because you said you were kind of cautious about saying it, but it makes sense with the whole going to casinos and stuff. I mean, people walking into a casino. There's money already there. There's already games to win money there. So now you're setting intense as to what slot machine, take me to a slot machine

rhyme to dish out money. The gamblers have this language already, though, like, oh, I'm feeling hot or I'm feeling cold. People experimenting with randomness go through the same kind of, oh, I feel hot, I can influence it, oh, I feel cold, I can't influence it. So, like, there's the same kind of, like, gamblers is a good, is, it's, gambling is good for, like, teaching statistics and for explaining this kind of. of phenomenon, I guess, because it's such a, people understand gambling, I guess, and they

understand, like, money. It's easier to think of it in terms of money because it's, like, valuable, you know? And so, like, yeah, if you had a 10% edge on the house, which people know it's crazy, like, people will play blackjack just to get a 1% edge, they'll, like, nerd out forever to get a 1% edge, you know. If you had a 10 to 30% edge, I know people who have been banned from casinos for using this stuff. So, like, that to me is like proof is that they got banned from a casino because the casino didn't want them taking any more of their money. Wow.

And that was because they were using the random not app. Well, not necessarily, but they were training to influence probabilities using randomness, which is what using the randomness does. It trains. It literally is training you to influence probabilities. It's literally teaching you how to be lucky. So like at a certain point, you don't need that out. So, all right. My mind's getting, my mind is going a million miles an hour right now. After you and I are done talking, I need to talk to you about some things off air for me personally. And it's not just for people listening. I'm not trying to make out money wise. There's something totally different I'm thinking about. But so the way you're describing this stuff, kind of dispels, at least from your perspective, how things work, the idea that many people that have heard me talk about Randon Not and they know about you guys, they suggest that it's a giant Ouija board. Yeah.

And so, like, what you're saying is from what you're saying is from your perspective. perspective that there isn't, like you're not, you're not reaching out into the unknown to have an entity then point at the map as to where to go. There's no that angle of things with a Ouija board where you're like asking questions to the unknown entity. This, from your perspective, is a very much unknown science angle that we're learning as we go. And you guys just simply have to happen to be one of the first practical tools that people can have to, have to try to experiment with new technology or new science that isn't really well known yet. Yeah. Well, I see why people would compare to a Ouija port, but to me it's something so much

bigger. But maybe that's because I've seen the sausage being made behind the scene. It's not just, I've seen people use a, I don't even like saying that word, a spirit board. But it is similar to the spiritualists, like we're in a sort of spiritual. Sort of spiritual. revival period similar to when the spiritualists got their hands on the spirit board. So like, yeah, I don't really mind because like Ouija is a trademark by Hasbro or something, I'm pretty sure. Like, I don't really mind being the Ouija of quantum divination if randomautica is that, you know, just for branding purposes. Cool. Right. Whatever. Like, you could use it as that if you wanted to. I wouldn't suggest it.

I wouldn't suggest it. But yeah, you could totally appeal to. And then this gets it, this is weird because, like, people ask me all the time, like, is this against my religion? And I have to tell them, like, I am not a spiritual leader. I cannot answer this question for you. This is for you and your spiritual guidance counselor. Like, that's why I went by comrade for so long, because I didn't want people thinking I

had some kind of answer. I don't have an answer. I only have more questions and more mystery. and in curiosity. That's it. So like in the Catholic Church, divination is strictly forbidden. Right. You cannot like try and tell the future. However, you can petition saints. You can pray to saints and you can ask saints for stuff. So in my mind, I'm thinking, if you use random nautica to contact some goytic demon or something, that would be definitely against the Catholic Church. but if you used it to talk to St. Anthony to find your lost dog,

that I don't think that would be against the Catholic Church's rules, honestly. And the Catholic Church, well, the Vatican does a lot of this kind of research, actually. Yes. As I found, like, as you get deeper and deeper into it, they are way into consciousness studies and they want to be on top of all of that kind of stuff. So someone actually suggested I go to the Vatican for funding. Now, you know what? Maybe, right? There's a lot of, I could go down the conspiracy rabbit hole when it comes to the Catholic Church, but also just different organized religion. Now, you know, I know you're kind of new. You're not, you don't really follow the show per se. I'm a Christian. And I don't really pretend to not be, right? Right. But when it comes to the idea of organized religion, there's a lot of issues and beef that I have with a lot of.

of it. And so anybody who is out there that would go to you and ask it, is this against my religion? It's more of a question that the question's phrased wrong. And it's also directed wrong. So there should not be a question that goes to you, but it should be an introspective question that says, does this go against what I believe in my heart is right or wrong? And if you, if you have a gut feeling that it is something that is wrong for you to be doing against your beliefs, Josh isn't here to tell you to do it anyways. I'm not here to tell you to do it anyways. No way, yeah. Like that's the, that's the beauty of America with freedom of religion. You're allowed to believe what you want to believe and follow what you want to believe.

And that's a beautiful thing. So it's misguided questioning because we are in a culture where we so desperately want people to tell us, just tell me what to do and I'll do it. Just tell me what to think and I'll think it because that's the way we've been conditioned for so many decades now through mainstream propaganda and things like that. It's like, just I'm so used to everybody just telling me, this is what it is. This is how do you do it? The idea of being introspective and saying, what do I think? What do I believe? That's a foreign thing. So I would encourage everybody who is listening right now who maybe is thinking those

kind of things to pause on that and just think, what do I think? You know, and just follow your own gut. If you pray, pray about it. Yeah, exactly. There's your answer right there. And I would say that my. spiritual beliefs are based in like probably I would call it esoteric

Christianity. I would definitely say my beliefs are rooted in Christianity. But of course there's like organized religion and all these things that go terribly wrong. You know, when any group starts just doing major

things, horrible atrocities happen. So yeah, that's neither here nor there. But yeah, it is interesting that like I can consider myself Christian and still, use radonautica, but other people were like, oh, he's talking to demons when it's only positively affected my life, like, and only actually affirmed my faith, actually, because I was less spiritual, and I was more like atheistic, and this actually has confirmed my face. So that's kind of interesting.

It's all based on like a matter of perspective. And what you just said there is so interesting, too, because that's the same kind of the way I look at it is with the flat earth stuff. When the Flat earth stuff was really popular. I mean, I don't know if it's still popular or not anymore. I don't know, but when it was really popular like a year or two ago, there was so many people who were saying they came to Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior through writing the flat earth theory. And so it's like for you, like you actually strengthen your spiritual life because of this where you feel like you were further away from your creator at one point. And so I find it really interesting. And even with this show, I mean, it's a paranormal show. Yes, I'm a Christian. And we do,

we have just different kind of vibes going on around here because it's like a it's like a it's like a potluck it's like a mixed of everything you know um but i've had people email me saying because of the show they are now going to church or they became a christian all this stuff and it's just like a paranormal show did that that's that's that's pretty amazing and so it's about perspectives and everybody comes from their own different path and and in place in life and you just never know what stone you're going to unturn that's going to change your life you know for you I have a good story about that, actually. Like, someone went random or notting.

This is a post you could probably find on the subreddit by searching demon. So someone went ran or notting with the intention of demon, which I would never advise. Like, why would you want to invite things that you want into your life? I don't think a mentally well person wants a demon in their life. But they found a piece of graffiti that said, demon. And what did they do? Called their mom crying. And their mom prayed with them.

And they got closer to Jesus because of this experience. So it's kind of a roundabout way, you know. But it is interesting that like this secure circuitous path. Like this is what we are doing is like people always think of things from their logical predecessors. we're going, no, we're going outside of our logical predecessors. And that's how all of science is built. All of science is a house of cards built on a bunch of logical assumptions from tests they did. And they were objectively said, okay, we can objectively measure this.

Therefore, we can objectively do this. And we're going, no, we're going to use randomness to start studying things that we couldn't have logically have landed on. using the huge structure of science as it is now. And that's one of the main things you really, really want to encourage people to do is citizen science and to maybe like get together with some friends who are interested in a topic and really start researching this and like join the rhizome, basically. There's a million nodes out there of people doing research. I'm sure like, you know, you're one of them.

You have a group of people and they're amassing this information. and it's like this like distributed network of like people processing this information. And it ends up all helping us in the end when we share the information. So I would definitely suggest to people, this is this is what we call noveltism is we want to get, we want to get like science out of the hands of the few and into the hands of the many. And so what this takes is decentralized open source kind of networking. So like I would never hide any papers I found on this kind of subject. And that's how I was able to find a bunch of people smarter than me to help develop

what I could see was a possible like angle into mainstream culture. And, you know, that happened through being open, you know, not being closed off. And that is very unintuitive to a lot of people. because we're taught, oh, you've got to hoard it. It has to be yours. Mine, mind, mine. This is my information, my research. It's like, no, it's a paper you found on the internet.

Share it with someone, you know, and they'll give you some feedback that you wouldn't have thought of. And this is like how Rananotica was initially built, basically. It was just from people just experimenting with different things. And we eventually found, like, methods that we can't. explain how it works, but practically we can say, we're using randomautica, it increases attention response. It increases focus. We can say these things.

We can say that there's a scientific study that says going to novel places makes you happier. There's a, you know, honesty God academic study that shows peer-reviewed that people, going to just novel places, just new places, it creates new neural pathways and it makes you actually happier. So like there's some things we can say for sure for randomonautica that we have found. And this is like, we're not the only ones doing this. Like there's all sorts of people, you know, investigating coincidences and randomness. And this was just kind of like our team's spin on it. Yeah. You know, it's every new level of science has a doorway that everybody has to walk through. And it's like random Notica is that door mat that everybody has to step on

as they go through that doorway. It's really something that it takes a special type of mindset to to be that. Because what you're describing is stuff, nobody wants to be the platform where everybody just kind of steps on to get to the next level, but nobody really appreciates kind of thing in the end of the day. But you're just like for the betterment of the future of this, this new science, this new, whatever you want to call it, it's somebody has to be that doormat, you know, of just people, just being willing to share with, with everybody who approaches that, that doorway. And I find that really cool. Now, let me ask you about, so we talked about maybe more of the spiritual side of like you personally and how it's

helped and me, the show, this, that, and the other, and the idea of, uh, Christian values and things like that. And you mentioned about more esoteric Christian. Maybe if you want, and you don't have to, if you want, maybe elaborate more on what you mean specifically by the esoteric Christianity, because the next question I would have is a conspiracy theory that I've seen about your app, which is the logo, the owl, because people are talking about, you know, this is, this is evil, Ouija, this, that, and the other. Then they have the owl. So now we're saying it's a cultic, It's an occultic organization and you're willingly participating in occultism and all that stuff. So take it away.

I just gave you a load of chamber. Okay. I would love to address this. So yes, we are absolutely dabbling in the occult because what is the occult? The occult is what is hidden. And when you go random nodding, you are shining a light on what is hidden. So you are literally diving into the occult, the hidden. And so that's what the owl represents because the owl sees it.

the dark. And a randot learns their entire geographic landscape by going to random places. And through that, they can see in the dark. So people have all these conspiracies like, oh, the owl is mulloch. It's child sacrifice. It's like, no, it's the wisdom you gained on your journey and the owl can see in the dark and twists its head in all directions. You know, it's like people can't quite see that many layers deep, but I experienced it. A bunch of other people, again. experienced it. Owls just started popping up. When you deal with randomness,

owls pop up. When you deal with a phenomenon, owls pop up. I mean, when I was like 19 years old, a huge owl flew into my truck and was flapping around its wings. Like, just, if that wasn't an omen, I don't know what was.

It was the biggest owl I've ever seen. It was huge. And like, yeah. So to say we're dabbling in the occult, it's like, it's kind of a gotcha question because it's like, yes, we are dealing in hidden stuff. But are we doing like satanic rituals? Fuck no. Like nobody is. So people, people, when, when they are thinking that you're dabbling in the occult and stuff, they're thinking you're Satanist and

that you guys are trying to unleash demons on the world and through this app and things like that. So you're saying quite the opposite, you know? I'm saying the demons are now. And that's your shadow projection of what you think randomautica is, and that's coming from you, and that is something for you to deal with in your perspective. And if you still think that us going to random places to find novelty is satanic, be my guest. Like, I don't have a problem with it because I know what I am. You know, I've been peace and love all my life.

And I knew I would be mislabeled. I remember telling my wife. My wife, this, before we got married, we were camping. I was like, it was right before we blew up. And I was like, I know I'm going to be mislabeled. But you know that I've always been peace in love, always been peace and love. And when they found the dead body, it was like, this guy's a murderer. Even though he lives in Texas and they found a body in Seattle, he's somehow a murderer.

And it's like, I'm like Dexter or something, some evil genius you can pull off this murder. But I knew I would be misrepresented and miss, you know. And I don't mind it. I kind of encourage it, the mystery. If someone wants to call me an Illuminati lizard person, I will never deny that. I will never deny that because it gives me so much power. Like, yeah, okay, I'm a crazy occult magician who made 18 million people,

you know, do a ritual that change Earth like forever. Okay, fine. I will never deny that. Like, yeah, and I kind of get similar things throwing at me. I recently just started taking YouTube series. I've been a podcast for five years and just this year, I think in March or something. I started taking YouTube serious and it's been growing and things like that. But because it's growing on YouTube, there are new people coming to the show that never knew about the show.

So they don't have the long history that the listening audience has of knowing who their host is. And so they tune in to, they know it's paranormal. for the title's sake or whatever, and they see the logo, the one that's been on the wall behind me. And they're like, this guy's clearly an occultist because he's showing... Alistair Ler-Crowley or something. Yeah. He looks like... He looks like Anton LeVay. He's covering one eye. He has the black and white logo. And I'm just like, actually, the truth of the matter is the very first logo we had is very similar to that, only I slapped it together from images off Google because I didn't think the show was going to last. And I'm just like, and

And then when I decided to make the logo, my artist said, so many pictures of your face, doing what we were doing on the logo originally, which was the Shush logo. And he took my face and did that. And I was like, it looks cool to me. Sounds good.

Not much thought process went into it. Just give me a cool looking logo, Lika. And he came up with it. Yeah. It's, I mean, the mislabeling is rampant. It's because it's kind of circles back to what you were talking about earlier in

the show, which, you know, the app giving people, uh, maybe meaning in a sense where it's like, you know, you're locked up in that house, you're bored, maybe you're a depressed person. You have no hobbies. Your life just seems like, um, I go to work. I barely pay my bills and this is my life is. And all of a sudden you find this free app or whatever it is. Maybe it's a few bucks down. I don't remember.

But, uh, you download it and all of a sudden you're using it and it gives you a hobby, gives you something to do. You think is cool. You feel like you're tapping into something that is just unknown. And it gives you that meaning of stuff. And so there's that angle of it. But then there's also the angle of the mislabeling. And people are like, nope, it's just completely evil.

I guarantee you that I'm going to have people emailing me telling me that this is, this is an evil app. And here's why I should have asked this question because it would have been the question to expose everything. I know. Yeah. Which I welcome, by the way. I welcome those emails. Yeah.

I mean, I welcome skepticism in general. But I think shadow projection is a very real thing. And we're dealing with coincidence. Cole Bustoff Young has to come up. And he talks about the shadow in length. And the shadow is like when you're projecting all of these bad things, they're basically yourself onto something else. And so you haven't kind of integrated this sort of like being able to dive into the mystery

because you just go, no, the mystery is demons. I don't want to learn the nuances of because I do believe there is good and evil. And I do believe there are demons. And I do believe that if you really wanted to, you could probably get a demon to influence you using random nautica. That would be totally up to you, though. We don't would not suggest that at all. I wouldn't warn people against that. And here's the thing with that concept, though, which you just said, is that, yeah.

So you just said that. that you could use it for that kind of purpose. But it's not just random notica that you can use for that purpose. I literally can make a Ouija board in my office out of crumbled up piece of paper and do the same thing. I can literally sit here with a necklace and hold it in the air with a yes and no underneath it and start asking questions. Like you don't need Randonautica. You don't need a Ouija board from the toy store. Like you can literally use anything because like now the circle's full circle.

It's about intent. and what are you intense. And so it's one of those things where you brought that up, and I just wanted to interject there because I want to people understand that you literally don't need Randonautica to summon a demon. I can start trying to summon a demon right now by just asking for it. I don't even need a tool. I can just start asking and inviting these things in my life.

Right. Kind of like what you were talking about earlier and stuff, about how you feel like there's a lot, this is there's a lot more going on here and it's always been here kind of thing it's it's similar in my my thought process of the paranormal where it's like i believe that there's spiritual activity going on around us right now all the time and i and i just think that there are there are some people who maybe are more open to having those experiences than other people uh and so it's not a matter of uh of me using something to call a demon from a mile away down the road

I believe that stuff's happening right now around me. If I want to access it, I can. Right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, in many ways. And I would say, don't do it. Yeah. Like, you don't want to do that.

And it is actually probably much harder to get an angel to deal with you because you probably are not like on their wavelength, you know? Like, you know, like, it's just like they have certain rules. And a lot of people probably even if they think. they can, couldn't line up to that kind of like agenda or whatever. Like it's the spiritual path is, is a difficult one, you know? And being a righteous person and living by moral principles is difficult. It's not an easy thing to do.

And people want to put the responsibility on us for other people's, like, using it as like, oh, my God, I found a scary baby doll in the woods. This is like, we didn't do that. We never encouraged that behavior. We said, that's bullshit. Stop that. This is not what this is about.

Doesn't matter. It's going to take off on YouTube. But as soon as we hit blew up on TikTok, David Metcalf from the anomalous was like, expect to find a scary hidden footage or whatever. Found footage horror film in the next 24 hours. And indeed, I had already found that. Like, someone already had made it by the time he predicted it would be made. Like as soon as we blew up on TikTok, people were like, okay, this will be perfect for the creepy kind of. And I had people telling me that I should go down that route years, years before we blew up on TikTok.

They were like, this is what you want because it's going to just blow up your trajectory. And I was just kind of like, no, it took me a lot of energy to make it positive in the first place. And like, there's still people around today who remember the old days where it wasn't like, oh, there's people who emailed our customer service and they were like, how do I get stopped? I want to make a YouTube video about being stocked. Wow. It's like, obviously this person is like a minor or just accident prone or something. I don't know. But like when you have to take responsibility for 18 million people's actions. Yeah. There's some fucked up shit that happens. You know, so people go on rail yards. They'll break in the houses. And like all this stuff gets pushed onto us. And it's like,

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Join Cerebral Today on their mission to make quality mental health care accessible and affordable for all. The 18 million users, that's a lot of people. And of 18 million people, how often, because I'm sure it's happened, how often have you had somebody saying that they want to sue you because of something that's happened on the app? No, never. We had one person who was like, they didn't think, they didn't quite understand that it was just randomly generated. They thought it was like a Pokemon spot where we keep coming up there. But it was just like the police are going to go to the person perpetrator, the crime, not the person who just generated a random point. Like, yeah, we we have connections with the FBI cyber crime unit.

Like we would definitely like report anyone who was doing like. like illegal shit or bad shit. Like, we have those connections. Where do those connections come from? Are those connections coming from because the app is so popular? Or is it that you guys? Well, yeah, people started fucking around on railways. And we got the railroad commissioner personally emailed me.

Wow. He was like, yeah. And then I have to report you guys to the FBI since I made this. And we actually cozyed up to them because we were like, we have a big thing going and we have a small team and it's like a big force going on like we might need some help. So we reached out to those resources. And yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm being targeted. People like, people like are crazy, man. Like, and I was warned if this would happen. How are they targeting you? Just in a lot of ways, man, like just getting like my email accounts hacked and my

Twitter like packed and shit like that. Like just for stupid reasons, you know, probably just for like bragging rice or something. But like I am getting targeted. And it's like just insane to me. Like I just wanted people to go on a walk like my mom used to take me a walk and say, let's go see what we can see. That's what you would say. See, let's go see what we can see. And we would just go walk around.

And that's all I really wanted. And ended up making this like 40 graffiti across the entire earth. But it was a fun ride. It's still interesting. We're really buckling down now and becoming more scientific with our research. So, like, we're really going to make the best effort to, like, deal with academics and have, like, real tangible data. And I think that will bring us more back to our roots.

Because I think people just didn't really understand what was going on with Renanautica. They just heard these spectacular videos and got all creeped out. And, you know, it went from that 25 to 30-year-old demographic to probably like under 18 to 18. And then it's like, you can't trust teenagers with anything, you know? So, Jen Z scares the shit out of me. I mean, like, yeah, crazy. So I don't know. It's, it's, it's, it's been a beautiful thing and it's been an ugly thing at the same time.

And that's just life, you know. And if it wasn't truly random, you wouldn't see, you wouldn't see the only good things. You know, it was, it was, you know, like, it's, it's random. So you're going to find, and when you have 18 million people searching the earth for random stuff going into places people have never been or haven't been in a long time, you're going to find some weird stuff, like the probability of you finding anything in existence, once you have enough people searching is like 100%. Like once you get enough people.

So that's kind of like what we're kind of like heading towards is like kind of maybe defining our technology a little bit better and maybe like find some sunken sea treasure or something get that on film. That would be cool. I would really like that. We're going to do another. I want to use it for healing. That's basically all I can say at this point.

but we have some like hard, heating scientists who are helping with us. And we're going to use it for healing. And that may sound surprising. But I, yeah, that's all I can say about that. It sounds like you're an occultic Satanist. What do you think you are? Jesus? Oh, man.

Okay. Well, I mean, that's all you can say. That's all you can say. Listen, I'm trying to make many notes because I'm fascinated by just this whole conversation. Let me ask you about the YouTube. You mentioned about YouTube videos. And I talked to you about it briefly before we started. Right.

I am somebody who really enjoys watching paranormal YouTube videos. I get the sense on some channels that they are putting on. And just because it's like, because as somebody who deals with the paranormal in a sense, and I hear people's experiences and the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the efficient turnover rate that these guys are putting out videos. I'm just like at one point, I mean, like just one of these videos, it would be a home run story on my show, let alone every video they put out every week or whatever. Right. Some of these guys have been tapping into the Randonaut app. And like I said to you, I still watch it.

I don't care if it. I don't know if it's fake until, like, maybe it would ruin it for me if they came out and said, yeah, we're faking it. But until they hear that, I find it so entertaining that I just got to watch. I love it. I loved it until I found out people were just like, why are you stalking people? And I was like, you aren't in on the joke? Like, that kind of made me kind of go, oh, no, humanity's kind of going down a dark path a little bit.

like I really did kind of trust that people would have the discernment to be able to tell if the creepy baby doll was placed there 10 minutes ago or not like right or if someone was just like having their friend following them in the car and then they're like oh so like I mean I'm not bashing those people because I grew up in the theater I made my performance debut at 10 years old Renanonautica is my great creative masterpiece. I am not going to bash someone for their art, period. Even if I think they're bastardizing what I did, that's their art. And art is subjective.

And, you know, people want to say that it, like, the YouTube is what, like, God has famous or whatever. We had over a billion hits on TikTok before any of it. of that YouTube stuff even happened. Wow. Yeah. So, I mean, and that was during the height of the pandemic. So I'm interested now that things are starting to, thank God, like level out, people are being vaccinated.

Wow. Hopefully we were returning to the new normal. How do you return to a new normal? Don't get me started, okay? Let's just leave that there because I, I, yeah. I don't need my show getting canceled because I'm about, like, you, you just said something. I'm just like, I'm going to, my head's going to burst. No, I agree.

This new landscape of what, of what, because I mean, I'm on record on a podcast saying, oh, I think next year there's going to be a big economic thing and people are going to have more time in their hands to do this. That's why I'm investing in this app. I'm on record saying that in 2019. And it was like before, like right before that stuff happened. And like just crazy, crazy. And yeah, I knew the day that I was going to quit my job like when I started that job. And I didn't know I was going to quit because of the pandemic. But I knew the date for some reason.

How did you know the date? I just knew. I just knew. You just came to me. And that was the day I met my life. Wow. All right, listen, I got to tell you this. So by time this airs, people are already going to know what I'm talking about.

But Josh, I'm telling you right now what you're talking about. You might really enjoy the show that I'm dropping on Thursday this week. It's November 11th is when it's dropping. And it's about Jamantria. And the guy I have on, all these numbers started coming to him. And he started like, it was like he was chosen to decipher these. numbers and he's going down in this crazy hole and his conclusions are out of the world. That is very interesting to me because that is not something that comes to me intuitively. So I will be

very interested in learning about that. And I love doing this show because my favorite shows are ones where I learned something and I definitely learned something on this show. So thank you for having me on. Absolutely, man. Listen, before we roll though, I have to ask you. Anything. I got all day. Okay, cool. you brought up the dead body in Seattle. Yes. Now is the unfortunate incident in Seattle. Right.

So first, this is a two-part question. One, I want you to just kind of lay out to the people who maybe don't know what the story is behind that. And also, do you have any of your, like, your top, like, two or three or even just one, bizarre stories that happen through people that have been using Ran or not? And it doesn't have to be something that, like, you, like, necessarily agree with. Like, maybe those people were trying to find dead body and they found it about it. I don't know. But what are some of the bizarre things that you guys have experienced with the app, too? There's so many, man.

Like, like, okay. So the first one, I had my first time, like, the first time I generated an anomaly. I went in the woods in Dallas and I found this drum. Are you serious? Yeah. That was like the first thing I found. And that, I mean, if you talk about like shamanry and stuff, the drum is like so central to all that.

Right. And just recently, actually, I found on Craigslist, someone selling a drum just like this right where I found it, except it had a snake on it. Now, where I found this drum, I took my best friend because I didn't touch the drum for like three months. I brought my best friend and right at eye level, there was a snake earring right at his eye. Like, I have the snake earring, but it's not in here, but I would show you it.

But it was right on a vine, right in his eye, like four feet away from the drum. I go back another time and I almost step on a Texas pygmy rattlesnake, which is like a red red rattle snake, rust-colored rattlesnake. I didn't even know there was red rattle snakes. But when I heard the rattle of that rattlesnakes tale, it permanently heightened my awareness. I was seeing snakes out of the corner of my eye for like weeks. Like, yeah, I mean, I'm sure people could spin that into some occult experience. And, you know, it kind of was.

It creeped me out. It sure did. And like, do I have an explanation for that? I do not. So, like, yeah, you are diving into them. mystery, you need to be cognizant of that. And I don't necessarily think it's bad, though, because like, but you need to be cognizant that you are affecting your timeline and these waves that you're affecting could not manifest for years down the line. Like in that same forest,

I found a crowbar. And then like a year or two later, I lock myself out of the house and I said, how am I in my house? And I remembered, I found that crowbar and I had it in my truck. And I just popped my door open with the crowbar and I was in my house. So it's like I found this crowbar while I was ran or notting and it saved me from like being locked out of my house and not having my keys trying to go to work or something. Like yeah. So it can affect things down the line and you are you are messing with your fate. If there is such a thing, you are.

And personally, like I like that. I like that idea. Oh, yeah. Other people may not, and that's fine. And I have people that I work with who are like, yeah, I wouldn't use randotica, but they're in the same kind of space and we're working together. So it's interesting how that works. But like, it's not for everyone.

I'm not trying to say it is for everyone, but we have had a lot of cool stories. Like I'm very interested, like I said, in healing using randotica. So we have a lot of really good. evidence towards people dealing with grief using Randonautica. They'll find, like, where their grandma died or something. And that'll be like, it helped me come terms of that loss. So, like, it'll constantly, I, this is one that I hear very commonly. And as much as I get accused of being a Nazi shapefitter, by the way, 600 of my people

died in the Holocaust. So that's not possible. but as much as I get that accusation, I get people in my Instagram inbox every single day saying, you change my perspective on reality in one single rent or not trip. And that is what keeps me going. And that's why I do it. And if a thousand people use it and don't get it,

but one person gets something out of it, I will keep doing this and dig my heels into the dirt and keep doing it for as long. I was like possibly can. And it is not cheap to rent servers for millions of people. That's something I found out real quick when I got a six grand server bill. And I was like, whoa, we got to like tighten up ship a little bit. All of a sudden you're selling a car moving back in with mom just to keep the lights on.

What's funny actually is I, when Randanautica like was introduced to the world, basically the telegram bot. My father had a stroke, like maybe that day or maybe the next day or the day before. Like I can't quite remember, but it was like the same week. My dad had a stroke. And so I had a lot of time on my hands because I was his sole caretaker. And out of a house, because then my father and my mother were divorced at the time. They're still divorced where they live together now.

But I was caring for my dad because a stroke patient, they are, they can, be very difficult to deal with. And my dad was a boxer. He was a bad dude. I mean, he's a good dad, but he was a bad motherfucker. And when you got somebody out of stroke, they're not all the way there, you know? So I was kind of like living in a crazy house almost. And I had a lot of time to go random on him because, like, I was caring for my dad at

at the time. And I had a lot of like time to deal with my dad. And so like, I forgot where I was going on with this. but when I started Grandin Odds, there was this feeling that I was like opening like a huge like tunnel or something, floodgate or something. And it just spread like wildfire. I mean, it just, it wasn't me.

I just happened to make a subreddit and post a, few pictures on it and host a telegram. Oh, that's what I want to tell you. Okay, so it's living with my dad. And then as soon as I'm putting this telegram bot up, thunderstorm hits takes my internet down.

So I call the company. They come out and fix it. Happens again. Thunderstorm hits. Tree brings my internet down. And both times, I put my computer back at my mom's house and just kept it going. So like the stasis field, it really does push back kind of. Like it, there really is a pushback there.

And so I think it is only for like the adventurous and the curious and like, and it will give you the chills. It will give you the creeps. And that's part of it. And like if you're not into that, then yeah, don't do it. But if you're, it doesn't have to give you the chills. It really is only creep me out when I. saw a snake when it took me to somewhere where I saw someone got shot. Previously, I didn't want to

explore that area. It was scary. That's really the only time has been really creeped out. Like, I have not been that creeped out. I used it at night, though, and I got really creeped out. So I think a lot of people are like using it at night and getting creeped out. And like, you really can't see all this stuff at night. So there's a there's a creep factor with night. in general. Yeah. I mean, listen, I got to tell you, this interview almost got canceled today because when I woke up in the entire Philadelphia area, apparently, Comcast was out.

Yeah, it was down. I heard about that. And so I was like, well, I don't know if I'm going to be able to do my interview. And so there's the third time that's something to do with you and this app and the internet. Oh, it's, yeah, more than the third time. It seemed to happen a lot. Like when I went to go meet my business partner, she bought me a place.

plane ticket and it immediately canceled it and refunded her the money. And she was just like, what? This is, I buy plenty of tickets for people all the time. Like, this is never happening to me. I was like, welcome to my world. Like, I often do things like three times because it's like pushing back. Like, no, go back to the normal. Get back on your path. You're pre-privile. Yeah. Yeah. But I see it as like blasting with your intention through. all these like stickers that got you connected and your desires and your you're you know just just your memories and everything that keeps you like in that space and i i see randonanning as just blasting through that using intention and putting you into a new kind of like just scoches

your reality tunnel so it goes yeah and new things become possible Let me tell you something. So back in the 90s, Steve Jobs, God rest his soul. Apple's never been the same since he died. Steve Jobs was doing an interview. I always butcher this quote. So if anybody's listening, just go on YouTube and try finding it. It's very inspirational.

But he kind of talks along this mindset of altering your reality. And he said he talked about how so often people get caught up in the everyday life, the motions and going to a job, taking care of the kids and stuff. and that they lose perspective of what life can be. They forget how to dream about life. And then there's always that one random person that decides that they're in this bubble. Call yourself the bubble. You're living in this bubble of life. Everything's kind of the same every day.

And they just start pushing through that bubble. And they just start pushing, pushing, pushing. And then they find out there's a whole other reality on the other side of that bubble that they never would have experienced if they didn't push through that bubble. Right. And you have to do it. You have to do it. You have to do the work.

Yeah. You have to go and do the adventure. You can't just generate the random point and go, oh, there's a random point. You know, this is probably... You can experience it. This is probably why I'm so fascinated by your app, because you started talking about a little bit ago about the randomness and taking your life onto a different path than you would have been originally.

And that is what drew me with the Randonaut app back in the day. When I heard that, I was like, that's fascinating because that's kind of my makeup. I constantly am doing things that take my life on a... different path. I mean, for instance, podcasting. Before I was a podcaster, I was a truck driver. And I just knew that there was another path in my life I wanted to tap into. And I just started pushing through that bubble. And the idea of Randomot app, taking people and putting them in places that they never would have even been before, it's impossible. This was completely 100% on the quantum level random. I find it so fascinating. It speaks to me. Yeah. I mean, I

wish I knew and, like, had a list of, like, every new thought that was formed that wouldn't have been formed if the person hadn't gone random or not. Like, I wish I had that data. Like, yeah, I'm not going to get that data. You'll have it one day, I'm sure. Yeah. It was just print out itself and it's like, well, yeah, that's what we deviated from this timeline. And, but it really is exploring the multiverse because the multiverse is causal. So it is literally inspired by Rick's portal gun from Rick and Morty. So, like, if you want to call it, in anything, it's that. It's not a cult. It's stupid cartoon. Once you guys nerding out and going, hey, we can, you know, get past or normal frame

of reference by using this technology. And like, the fate or determinism breaking isn't even like scientifically disputable. People want to dispute us for a lot of things. but that is not disputable. If you're using randomness in your life, you are deviating from your normal patterns. That's not despicable. I mean, there's multiple people who do that. Max Hawkins is a guy who was doing it before I was.

He made a thing where his computer made all of his choices for two or three years, and he just lived his life completely randomly. So, and I've talked to him a couple times, and it was like talking to a monk from a different sect or something. It was so interesting, because he's not interested in the quantum at all. He's just like, I'll choose a pseudo generator. And he still experiences like he and his business partner were breaking up.

And they were like, okay, I guess we'll go to a random place to have this breakup conversation. And it took them to a pet cemetery. So it's kind of like there's like a humor to it. But even he has experienced he's kind of serendipitous. And so I don't know if it's an artifact of the quantum realm. I am not going to say I know anything. about quantum physics. I will never say that. I don't know. I've Googled the, you know, eraser experiment or whatever and quantum eraser experiment, the Asher Paris paradox.

Just Scott Wilbur in general, his research is really good. I forget this. It's Comsire, is the, if you want to Google like Comsire, he sells random number generators. He has papers published. where he won a lottery ticket using this kind of technology. Just a three ball. Boom. My audience just got rich. You're welcome. Yeah.

Apparently he has a basket just full of him. He doesn't cash him out. He just wins them and just puts him in a basket and it's just a basket. Are you serious? That's what I've heard. I can't. Can't be that guy's address. I need to break in.

Los Alamos Labs. Well, there you go. I need somebody smart to help me break. now. I'm just kidding. Everybody who's listening, the algorithm, Facebook, YouTube. I'm just kidding. I am just kidding. Let me talk to you. You mentioned about this a couple times and you said you can't go into great detail, but I do want to bring this up again, the healing aspect of the app. Now, when you first said it, my first thought, and probably because of my Pentecostal upbringing, I thought healing as in, you know, I broke my arm in half and the random app, not app, is going to heal my arm.

But what you're talking about is more psychological and emotional healing. Is that what you're saying? Or are you saying you're going to heal? Right now it is. I will say that I believe we will begin to gather data that will help doctors who do actual healing using retrocausal techniques. So you basically go to a doctor and get healed. for a disease you never had.

Which is weird to think about, but yeah. So like almost like futuristic like, wow. So we're talking about your Tom Cruise now and you're predicting the next crime kind of thing. You're predicting who's going to get sick next and we're going to get sick next and we're going to. Yeah, the government, I bet, uses it for that reason. I was told by someone with the security clearance that they do. And so, yeah, the government's been experimenting with this stuff forever. And, you know, the United States government has a large fundamentalist Christian base who pushes back on this kind of research.

Whereas in like Russia, in places like that, like Sony had its own My Machine interaction department. Japan had no problem with it. They have way more research than we do because they were just open-minded to it. So like we have to get past like it's demons. Like there are demons, but we can't be calm. calling good things, demons. Like, that's, you know, that's just ignorance. And that's not what God would want for us, you know?

Like, we want to see clearly, have discernment, have wisdom. And, you know. Well, it's like with any new technology, science throughout the, the generations. I mean, initially, like, there's, like I said, you're the doormat right now. Like, there's always that doormat where everybody, like, to step into that new way of thinking, everybody stepping on that doormat to get in there, you know? And so it's like, it's like my job is to apologize. I love it.

I've never been able to apologize. But now I'm just like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. With modern medicine at one time, that was, that was witchcraft. Yeah, so he got sent to jail for telling people to wash their hands. Yes. And so it's just, it's one of those things where anybody who maybe is trying to have a heart, maybe having a hard time framing their perspective around this and stuff. Think about somebody who has PTSD.

Right. Somebody who needs mental, psychological healing. Let's just go with that aspect of things. Right. Like, we have tools for that, and they're called psychologists. And you go to a psychologist, which is a tool to help you mentally heal, emotionally heal. And without that tool, you would be hard, it would be a lot harder for you to heal from that damage. And so in a sense, you're hoping that Randonaut app can be that kind of a tool.

Yeah, I can't speak on it too much because we haven't really fleshed the idea out too much. And I don't want to, like, you know, throw people's names up there without having accomplished it first. But I do think this would be that the highest level for me of using this technology is to heal people. like not I'm not cheap cheap drills and deep hope you know like and and yeah there are um techniques people can use psychologically heal from stuff and a lot of the time people don't want to and you can't get them to wow and you have to love them anyway and and you find that just by loving them they get a little better but you kind of have to put your guard up because they want to be sick and they choose to be sick and that's kind of what happens like

with this retrocausal healing stuff where you like go back to your past self and send love to your past self. I mean, I'm sure people have heard of these kind of meditations, you know, and we want to start kind of like objectifying some of this. So like, but you can't make everyone do that. And PTSD splits your imaginal memory. So you literally are misjudging people's intentions. You're misjudging things. So you would think maybe that the healing is the thing that's. bothering you. And it's like, no, like, it's crazy, but that's how it is. And the answer isn't like,

oh, well, if they don't want it, then you can do this. It's just like, you just got to love them anyway, and they're choosing to be that. And it really is crazy that it always kind of like winds down, like a psychedelic acid trip where you were out of your body and then you go back and you're like, oh, I'm me. I'm this. I'm doing this. Oh, and you're happy about it. And you're like that I'm doing what I chose to do and all these decisions in my life that made me me like they were for a reason and they were intentional. Even if you didn't know that, you know, being a trucker would lead to you being a paranormal investigator like or something, you know, if you didn't know, you had a feeling and you pushed towards that, you know.

Yeah. I've been an actor. I've been a circus performer. I've been a window washer. I've been a, uh, H-FAT guy. I've been a CEO of a corporation, international corporation. And, you know, and, you know, I never felt like any of those things were really me, really, you know, like now I do

because like this is me like this owl is me. That's me. That's how I see it anyway. I can see it in the eyes. And the devil warns. But yeah. No, I get what you're saying though because like I had a deep,

I had a deep desire to be an impactful person in this world. And by just pursuing that path and through what I would call prayer, you know, it was, it brought me to a, podcasting and and I didn't see myself as a podcaster when I felt like this was what I was supposed to do. I just pursued it and it developed and here I am and I tapped into another parallel

universe with it where there there is this Tony somewhere out there that I didn't know existed and I went and I pushed through that little bubble and I found this other existence of me that I never knew it's possible. It's amazing and I appreciate that nimbleness. Not everyone's that nimble. And you don't have to be nimble for sure. Like it's fine to work a factory job for 40 years. And, you know, it's fine. It's good if that's what you want. But if that's not what you want, you should push through and you should at least try.

And usually, like you said with the podcasting thing, I started podcasting a year before I started Rannotauts. Just me and my friend talking shit in my room. I had no idea that I would be doing a podcast every day. like the next three years, you know, like, but I had an inclination that this was going to happen. Like, I picked my college major randomly from a list. Like, just weird coincidences like that. Like, you know, when I was 15 in our computer class, we had to print out business cards and mine said existential investigator.

And that's still what my Twitter says and stuff. Wow. I ended up being what I put on my business card when I was 15. All of a sudden, random life isn't so random. It seems almost preordained. It is crazy, right? The randomness can conjure non-random. That's so paradoxical.

And from what I've heard from a few quantum physicists who go to all these, like, there was one in Australia who's telling me, like that they're saying that even the quantum random number generators are deterministic. We just don't understand the variables that are influencing them yet. So there may not be such a thing as randomness. And maybe we'll have to change our name at that point. Someone suggested that early on and I was like, no, we'll go with randomness.

But like, yeah, I am totally about intention. and I think that is probably more important than the randomness is the intention. And that intention and desires and stuff, because I think a lot of like what random knots is was part of my spiritual journey and my self-development. And like the fact that, you know, I'm an inexperienced CEO. maybe it has to do with the fact that YouTube is full of a bunch of BS videos. Maybe, maybe that would have happened on its own. I don't know.

I didn't even know what a CEO does, did when I became one. You know, like, how the hell does that happen? Answer that. You know, like, so, you know, I wasn't an author, but now I have a book. So, you know, like, that's so crazy. Like, and, you know, like, even though the New York Times slammed us, they still like interviewed me and they're like they had a thing that was like sit your kids down and talk to them about random not tell them not to play this dangerous game it was like the

biggest backhanded compliment in the world and like we gave this reporter access to this um los alamos labs guy scott wilbur who invented this pulse oxymeter if you want to look it up it's a piece of laboratory equipment using every hospital every day and he has patents on this stuff. And we gave him and she interviewed him and she had not put any of his stuff in because it didn't go towards her narrative. Yeah. So she interviewed an associate professor who has never looked into this, you know? And it's just like, that's where you start to go, okay, there's a force field here. There's a boundary. Yeah, it's called your jhornalism, okay, because it's not journalism. Ornualism. I love that. I love that. I love it when I run into

good journalists. I mean, good journalists, I love them. Guy and breed. Yeah, for sure, for sure. But good journalists are amazing and what they do is so important. And like, yeah, there needs to be like classes or something about old school journalism or something because the new gotcha journalism is so just like boring and played out. It's the clickbait. It's the clickbait world that we lived in and that we created ourselves that made this monster because now it's all about getting paid

off of clicks. And so it's not about the story. It's about developing a story around an idea. Right. Right. Yeah. And I never really wanted the clicks, man. I never wanted to be famous. I never wanted to be a C-list celebrity or whatever, you know, but here I am. You know, I wanted to cover my face. You called me, Comrade, but I got shut out of the nest. because somebody chopped up a few people and put them in suitcases, and I had to go on public TV. I mean, I was on Russian national TV. Like, they actually gave us a fair shape, the Russian military TV.

Wow. Yeah, just like NPR and like, just crazy stuff where it was just like, like, my dad was like, you're not a loser, son, you know? Thanks for the pause. of reinforcement, dad. I was never a loser, but thanks. Yeah. You know, it's such a bad thing.

Like, I'm finally proud of you now that you got interviewed by New York Times. But I got that, you know? Like, a lot of people never get that. Right. I got it. You know? And there's no...

When it comes to that kind of stuff, so, like, yeah, it serves their purpose and stuff, but at the same time, you benefit from it. So whether they say, tell your kids never play with this app and here's why the problem is stuff, they're still giving it the attention that you're seeking.

And so you win in the end. It was like an Andy Kaufman what wet dream for me. I mean, just to be toying with the media like that. Yeah. Was dying. I loved it. It's just, I love it.

I love the mystery that surrounds Randonautica. I don't dislike it. I like the videos. I enjoy the videos. I like cheesy horror movies. you know we but but we need to maybe rethink how we're teaching our younger generation discernment because a lot of them whatever they see on the screen is reality yeah and that's hyper reality in semiotics and stuff and that is when things become a little weird and like if you can't tell the real

from the fake, yeah, that's scary. Like, it's really scary. And I don't know how to fix that, but one way was we created our own social media feed. So you can go on Randonotica and get on the Discover feed and you can post your own trip boards. And we have like our own little space now because before we had this decentralized model or we just used everything on the internet and people could post anywhere. We're still doing that. But, we also have a centralized feed now. And it's going to like have options for users to show their location if they want to because we have people who are like, they're tracking us.

And then we also have people who are like, hey, can I show my location to my friends? And it's like, yeah, sure. You know, we want it to be able to like, if you don't want to be tracked, you can turn that off. And if you want to be able to have your little boop I'm random nodding. Yeah, we want that. And then have people be able to say, well, here's maybe not a random spot. but a really cool spot you should check out. And like, we're going to have that and like just like a legendary page.

And like, yeah, the discovery feed is really interesting because it's an international phenomenon. This whole conversation has been sort of ethnocentric because like I said previously, the United States is a little bit behind in a lot of these matters because of the religious beliefs and stuff. And like, I'm not saying that religion is bad. I'm not saying that Christianity is bad, but I am saying that it has hindered us from some psychic research. Definitely. And there are people out there who, whose job it is to basically fuck up and use counterintelligence techniques and to fuck up consciousness research. That's a fact.

Right. An unfortunate one. Like, even if you're at the smallest level. they're going to get on there and start helping you until they don't, you know? And that's just like a fact. And like, why is that? Why? You know?

And that's the interesting question. It's like, if we're just going to random places, why are we getting fucked with, you know? Right. And if it's nothing, well, why am I getting targeted? Why are we getting harassed? Why are we getting, you know, stolen from? Why are we, you know, getting, you know, agent for romocators, like trying to. make us out to be something we aren't.

It shows the power of the real thing. So you've really experienced a more of a conspiratorial angle towards you from being the guy running the ship. Oh, yeah. I mean, and a lot of it has to do with just like regular jealousy and, you know, people wanting to be the captain of the ship, but not wanting any of the responsibilities, you know, and then they get mad that they're not the captain of the ship. and it's like, well, dude, you didn't do any of the things that, you know, everybody had the chance to make a company that made a random out. Everybody had the same chance. And I'm the one who did it.

Right. But nobody wanted to have the had the gusto to do it. Nobody wants to shout out a few hundred bucks for a company name and have to deal with an accountant, lawyers. Like, I certainly didn't. And I thank God for my business partner, Auburn, who's amazing. and she's gotten us, like, so much stuff. Like, she got us a book, and she got us, like, a lot of stuff that's coming up

should be really interesting. Like, there is a possibility for a Randanautica horror thriller movie. Oh, yeah. Super duper cool. So I'm not holding out too much on that because, you know, everybody has a script that they're trying to flip, but I think that would be really cool. I do appreciate the horror thriller genre.

and you know but it's it's we do have the creative control sort of to I wanted to show the breadth of human experience not just bad stuff you know what I mean yeah like yeah being exposed to the darkness of the world is part of growing up and like you're not always just going to be in the womb you know and a lot of people are in the womb kind of and they're in the their little matrix goo and they love it and they're comfortable there and that's fine I guess for them it's not for me it's never been for me I've always just had an urge and an itch to look behind that little rock

over there because I think I saw something oh your look I was doing this the other day of flea market I saw this pot and I went and looked in the pot and there was like something and I it looked like an amulet or something and I was like oh I better not touch that And then I met this woman named Snowbird who makes indigenous weapons for her tribe. So usually a man fulfills this role. But she makes like all these different weapons that show like the evolution of indigenous weaponry in North America. And she showed me and it was this turtle amulet.

And the turtle is actually my sigil. and so like I just randomly using my it's funny how we use that work randomly we use that you word randomly we use that you word randomly for intuition a lot I think it's like oh my my friend randomly called me did they randomly or did they kind of get your ping that you were thinking about it or whatever you know but I randomly looked in this jar and found basically the symbol of my freedom and my protection and my home. And like this lady blessed it for me and sold it to me for seven bucks. And it was, it's on my shelf. And yet you betray that and use an owl as a logo. I'm disgusted. You should have you had a turtle as a logo. Yeah. Then we wouldn't have nearly as many problems,

probably. But I didn't discover the turtle until, uh, uh, later. So yeah. I mean, I'm still the owl too. I have owls on every entry of my house. I have an owl. So like every door of my house has an owl looking at you. It's like a kind of like mid-south thing. I've seen it a lot in like Kentucky and stuff. People have owls on their doors. And I do think there is like this sort of owl consciousness that humans can tap into or something.

Like just like I think there's a rock consciousness. or a turtle consciousness that we could kind of maybe it's just the archetypal symbology. And then when you go random nodding, you start playing in this archetypal symbology. And your adventure becomes flavored by the archetypal symbology you see like a piece of trash that says Thor because it's like the name of a oil brand or something. Then you start thinking about Thor on your trip, you know, and how Thor could relate the symbolism of Thor could relate to your life or whatever. You know, to symbol-symology nerds like me, like, that's pretty cool.

So, yeah, there's a lot of things you can do with Renanautica. I would suggest going on there and looking at the Discover feed because it's really interesting right now because it's from people from all different countries. And, like, people from Mexico City just get it. People from Pakistan, they just get it. You know, they may have certain hangups about it, but they just get it. They understand it. It's not foreign.

And I feel like here, when I started random odds, I had one person. I could be like, hey, I have this thing that sends you to a random place. And he was just like, how can I use it? You know, like that I had one person. And now there's just, you know, people making their own apps. And I think it's absolutely wonderful. Yeah. And I, but I don't think that the coincidence, like I said, is the.

be all and all. It's it's got to be love. It has to be love and in healing and stuff like that. It has to be. I think so anyway. No, I agree. And so I would say to the listening audience then be do some of your own homework and stuff, even on on Randonautica, but these other apps that are coming out and stuff. Because in the beginning of this conversation, Josh did say that he was approached by a big tech company that wanted to use it and make it more addictive. And this is Tony's words, but I'm about to say not Josh's, but we do know that Facebook did go down that path in its early days of building the apps and everything in the red bubble that pops up when you have a notification, the dopamine hits. Listen, you got to be careful with some

of this stuff because Josh told you here first, big tech is already looking into trying to create, they're going to, listen, if they wanted to purchase random noticap and you said no, that's fine. They'll just go create their own. Right. They're going to go. They were just strangles from the inside out somehow or make us not show up in search results or, yeah, not allowed to be on the app store or something or just putting Google Maps or. What they can do, really, is just they have an infinite budget. They can create a better app than yours with the addictive properties they're looking for. So once they get users on. it, they never leave. And eventually they just squeeze you out that way. Right. I wonder what I

do not. I mean, people are doing a pretty good job of making interesting stuff right now. But I think they are so busy copying us that they aren't thinking next. We're always going to have like that next thing that we've been working on for six months. And then they're going to be like, fuck. Now we have to make a whole social media feed. God damn it. Just got to finish with ripping off their old app. So, I mean, I got invited to a pretty prestigious tech conference yesterday. So that's really exciting. And we'll be talking about, like, the future of gaming and the future of, like, what business might look like and stuff like that.

I'll tell you what. you got a lot of stuff going on for you guys. I'm really interested in it. And I had this thought earlier. I just wanted to tell you before I forget, don't be surprised if within the next year or two, you guys are contacted by Neurrelink, Elon Musk. Right.

With what you guys are doing and what he's doing on the scientific end, I see a marriage there that maybe that you don't want, but I imagine he would want that marriage, definitely. He would want the community for sure. The BCI thing, yeah, I totally believe that an implant is not necessary. And why would you need an implant if it's not necessary? So that's my tidbit. Well, on that, no, bring the ship in for some docking, bring the plane in for a landing

because you just said something that I'm just going to let go. Yeah, if you want to put the tail out a little too much and turn the ship too far. Yeah, yeah. We're running low on fuel, so we got to make sure we don't get lost at sea. Listen, Josh, I appreciate you being here. Funny, it's been brilliant, man. I hope I'm going to get to be a regular, man. Oh, for sure, dude.

This has been just a pleasure. And anybody listening, if you're interested, check out Randonautica app. And if you're a little nervous about it for your own convictions or something like that, if you're just feeling like, hey, listen, I would say air on the side of caution then for yourself. Yeah. Yeah. For me, I find it very fascinating. I've had so many people talk to me about it from different angles.

I've had people say that it's not a good app for people to be using. It's bad and all that stuff. And over the time, I really started thinking, you know what? I just need to talk to somebody at Randanautica. Right. And I'm glad we did because I'm walking away from this saying, it's a you guys are tapping into a science that is very new people who study quantum physics don't know how it works completely and therefore you guys as the ones having this this app you're

learning as you go and i agree that caution is very wise at this point yes and and and and i obviously was cautious like when i found that drum i didn't touch it i didn't take it home i didn't you know know what was attached to it or what happened, but it ended up being like the thing that kind of like propelled or ran an an anarchy in the early days because people were kind of just watching and seeing what was going to happen.

And then I found that drum and people were like, oh, there's stuff out there. Let's go find it. And then after that, it was just like people finding weird structures built in the desert and UFOs. I mean, I have three different UFOs

video. Yeah. So, yeah, check out the official guide to random nautica if you want to

get into like the real, like heavy duty kind of, it's, it's written for the masses, but I do go into a lot of really deep

kind of scientific stuff in one of the chapters. So if you're really interested in like the technical stuff, the guide to random nautica is out. Just check out her discover feed. It's free to use the app. the anomalies, which are the ones that use a lot of randomness, they use more processing power.

So unfortunately, those are limited. You can only do like 20 a day or something. I'm not sure what the number is now. But if you go to the pseudo-random and just do a blind spot location, you can do unlimited random points for free. All you need is an email to sign up. You can use a throwaway email if you want. Yeah.

And just if you want, experiment with it. And I would definitely recommend bringing a friend. Don't do it at night. Use situational awareness. If your body is telling you, I should not be going to this kind of shady area of town. Don't go. Right. Because the app told you to go.

People are like, I got stuck in a riot because of your app. This is something I've heard. I was like, yeah, but you weren't really paying attention. were walking into a riot, were you? Like, I don't get that. But yeah, so be careful. Have fun. Thanks, guys. Absolutely. And I'll just say this. I know the audience is listening right now. And they're like, Tony hears this. And he's thinking, okay, don't go alone. Don't go at night. I'm definitely going to do that. So that's just the way I want exploring an entire abandoned industrial complex by myself. People were like, you were insane for doing it alone. I'm like, I didn't even think

about it being insane to do it alone. But all right, Josh, I'm going to let you go. Thanks a lot, man. Thanks, Tony. That was a good one. Thanks, ma'am. Well, that's the show. Everybody, I really hope you enjoyed it. If you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where or how you share the show. Just share the show if you enjoyed it. If you've ever listened to any kind of content revolving around Randonautica, maybe this was more enlightening for you because we actually got to talk to the guy who started the whole thing, the CEO of Randonotica app. And I really hope you guys maybe learn something from it. Curious. I don't know. I just hope you guys enjoyed this conversation.

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