The Confessionals - 4: Nephilim - Then and Now

Episode Date: February 12, 2017

This week we sit down with a Biblical professor, Mark MacLean, to discuss what are the Nephilim, how did they come about and are they around today.  Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Nephilim Audio Clip: Chuck Missler on Sid Roth? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIRtTPryQvM?) Outro Instrumental: Artist: PnR Productions Song: High Life

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Say 50% on the new Sleep Number 360 limited edition smart bed, plus special financing only for a limited time. To find your local sleep number store, go to sleep number.com. Special financing subject to credit approval. Minimum monthly payments required. See store for details. Hey everyone, it's Tony. Before we get into tonight's show, I want to remind you again that whatever podcast you're listening to the show on right now, hit subscribe, leave us a happy review and share with your friends. If you're on Facebook, you can find us there too, and when you do, give us a like. We're also on Twitter. The Twitter handle is at T-Confessionals. And our website is The Confessionalspodcast.com. If you've had a sighting or an encounter of any kind, whether it's alien, ghost, bigfoot, government concessions. or whatever. It doesn't matter what it is. If you want to share that with me, my email is

The Confessionals Podcast at gmail.com. You can get a hold of me there, and I would love to talk to you. Enjoy the show, everyone. It's called Proving. Make sure things are all pleases. Careful for the rest of the rest. You guys hear that? Welcome to the Confessional Booth, everyone. I'm your host, Tony, and I'm really glad that you're here. Before we get into tonight's show, I want to bring up that I found a website earlier this week called CryptoZoology News.com.

I think it's a fantastic website. The very first thing I noticed on it was how clean and organized it looks. On top of that, All the articles they have on here range from Thunderbirds to dinosaur bird to aliens, Bigfoot, UFO, you name it, they got it. And they're constantly updating. They don't stop. I love this website and I actually bookmarked it on my internet browser right away.

I would highly suggest you guys go check out this website and bookmark it on your internet browser as well. Now tonight's show, we're going to be talking about the Nephilim. Before we get into the interview, I actually want to build a foundation, a base for you guys to understand and comprehend what I mean when I say the word Nephlem. What does the word Nephilim mean? This audio excerpt is going to help you just kind of build that foundation before we get into the interview. Now tell me about the word Nephilim. What does that mean? In the Hebrew, it comes from the verb Nepal. It means the fallen ones. And that's the term used. Don't confuse that with the fallen angels. The fallen angels, according to Genesis 6, cohabited with human women to produce a hybrid offspring that

are called in the Hebrew the Nephilim. In the Septuagint version of the Old Testament, the translation of the Old Testament into Greek, they use the word gigantes, which is transliterated giants, and they did happen to be giants, but that's not what the word means. The word actually means in the Greek, the earthborn. And so from the Greek point of view, they're earthborn, from the Hebrew point of view, they're the fallen ones, but either way, they're pointing to a hybrid and it apparently was part of Satan's plan to contaminate the messianic line. But so the purpose of the flood was to get rid of these. Exactly. That's, you put your very, that's exactly the point. You study verse 9 of Genesis 6. It speaks of Noah

that his genealogy was untainted, unblemished. And apparently it was a distinctive in that sense. He may not have been the only one on blemished, but the fact that he was unblemished qualified him for what was going to do, among other things. But the point is, the whole issue that God chose to do was to save eight people in the ark and erase the blackboard, so to speak. Okay, but if the blackboard was erased, then we don't have to fool with them today, if they were all destroyed. Except Genesis 6 verse 4 says there were Nephilim in those days, comma, and also after

that. many many good Bible scholars miss this that you really won't understand subsequent events in the Old Testament by not realizing it happened again when when God in Genesis 15 and Genesis 17 confirms the land covenant to Abraham he tells Abraham that he and his descendants are going to be away for 400 years but after 400 years they're going to return that gave Satan who's obviously listening the realization that he had four centuries to lay down a minefield And that's why when Moses enters the land, and he sends his, at Cadish Barnea, he sends in the 12 reconnoiters, if I can call them that, they come back and say, and Numbers 13, verse 33, says they were in Nephilim in the land. So it happened again.

Well, I hope that audio kind of gives you more of a foundation as to what the Nephlim are. I know many people know what the Nephlem are, but some people may not be too sure as to how that whole thing works. and hopefully this audio kind of gave you more of a foundation as to where we're going with tonight's show. Now tonight's interview, we're sitting down with Mark McLean. He's a biblical professor at a university, and he was kind enough to come over to my house, sit down with me and talk about the Nephlam. Little did I know by talking about the Nephilim were we going to hit on so many different topics. We talked about Nephilim, Bigfoot, UFOs, aliens, transhumanism, X-Men. We were all over the place. And by being all over to place, we talked about some personal things that Mark has asked me

not to be putting on the show. So when you hear this sound, you know that we jumped audio because what we were talking about was more of a personal nature. I really hope you guys enjoy the show. Let's get to it. Hey, Mark, how are you? Great. How are you doing, Tony? I am doing good. Thanks for coming over here and doing an in-studio interview with me. Awesome. My pleasure. So today we're going to be getting into the Nephilim. But from what I understand there's a lot of background information that goes into this topic, not just a surface level of the subject, Nephilim, and you have that kind of information. Yeah, yeah, it's a very broad topic. The Nephilim or the Nephilim, it's a biblical term, shows up twice in Scripture,

but it's sort of a source word for the biblical giants. And the giants show up an awful lot in the Old Testament and also a precursor to what we would consider to be the biblical demons in the New Testament. So it was a very broad topic. I don't know if you'd like to start early or start in Genesis 6. What do you want me to do? Well, let's start early. I mean, let's give the audience. Now, everybody knows that you're a professor at a university and you're also a church planner. you have extensive knowledge about the Bible in general. So let's not waste this opportunity and get into some background information, give them what they need to know when it comes to this whole topic.

Okay, so maybe the best place to start would be Genesis 3. So most people are familiar with the story of the fall. So we have Adam and Eve in the garden, and Eve, you know, succumbs to the temptation. And then after that, there's actually... actually a charge that God gives, curses, if you will, as punishment to the serpent or to Satan. And when we actually look at that curse, it speaks about a battle of the seeds or a battle of offspring that's going to occur. And when we look at that, you know, humanity gets kicked out of the

garden, but they do bear the image of God. So Satan knows that out of, um, out, of the woman's seed, there's going to be one that's going to crush his head. So when we actually look at the bigger biblical picture, if we go back to the story of creation, this is important because when we're looking at seeds, there are specific kinds of seeds. When God spoke creation into existence, 10 times in Genesis chapter 1 says let everything reproduce according to its kind or according to its own kind. So, you know, we have an issue today with genetic modification, and people are wondering or concerned, you know, is that normal? Is that, you know, unnatural? And, you know, we find very

early on in Scripture that things should be reproducing, at least in their own broad categories. So now jumping to Genesis 6, that's when the Nephilim first show up, if we look at Genesis 6, chapter one versus one through four here it says when man began to multiply in the face of the land and daughters were born to them notice it says man the sons of god the hebrew word there is the benaiha Elohim saw that the daughters of man were attractive and they took as their wives those that they chose and then the lord said my spirit shall not abide in man forever for he's flesh, his day shall be 120 years. And then verse four, the Nephilim, were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, this implies after the flood, when the sons of God came into the daughters of man,

and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. So what we have here in Genesis chapter six is actually what I believe, the history, the historical record where pretty much every other civilization has a fractured account of this. So I take this to be the accurate historical account as the Word of God. But pretty much, you know, all your mythologies have some sort of commingling between divine beings and humanity. You know, whether that's Greek mythology, you know, with the Olympians messing around with humanity or, you know, wherever you want to go, we have that narrative. But what we have here after that, we have the dastardly story of the flood.

So, you know, this wasn't something that was just like any other sin. This actually caused the entire created order, all living things, or at least all flesh, to be wiped out. So, you know, again, it was a big deal. When we look at the situation of the flood, this is really important because God chooses one man. And what he says about that man, he says that Noah is perfect among his generation. Now, that word perfect is a Hebrew word, Tamin, which actually speaks of, it can mean moral perfection. But more so, it's used as something that isn't blemished. For example, in the Bible, when it talks about a lamb without spot or blemish, the Hebrew word

Tam Yin is used there. So it's not talking about a lamb's moral perfection. It's talking about that the thing isn't blemished. So Noah had not yet had his genes corrupted like everything else had. So the assumption here is with the commingling. of these sons of God or these divine beings, what we would call the fallen angels, as a result of their mixing with humanity, there were these bastardized offspring of a number of different sorts. And, you know, if you look at classical archaeology, you'll see

these cimeric beings all over the place, either in the, you know, the reliefs of the wall, the things that were worshipped, you know, the head of a lion and the body of a man, you know, wings. You just have these co-mingled things. So, and this is something, again, that's universal, not just in the Middle East. We have this everywhere on earth, this story. And also the story of these divine beings or giants commingling or controlling humanity. So, again, there are all kinds of implications of this, and it doesn't just stand there in scripture, because, again, the flood itself, when we look at the broader narrative, you know, how did people

understand this when they first heard this story? Something I call hermeneutical proximity. In other words, what did the original hearers hear when they heard Genesis 6? chapter one through four. And when you look at the historical records, like all the pseudipigraphal writings, when you look at the additional, you know, apocryphal accounts, you have these stories of these giants that were produced by the sons of God and humans. So I don't know if you want me to look at a couple of these records, but just maybe for the record, if, you know, let me just read a couple. Yeah, absolutely. Go ahead. All right.

First, Enoch, so the book of Enoch, chapter six versus one through six, it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born to them beautiful and attractive daughters, the angels, the children of heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another, come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and begot us children. then they swore altogether and bound themselves by a mutual imprecations upon it. And they were all 200 who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon. Now that's interesting, Mount Hermon, because in Scripture, when Jesus transfigures himself, he just receives the confession from St. Peter at Cessaria Philippi.

And if you see where Cessaria Philippi is, that's a renamed place for Bashan, where you had Og in these other giants in the Old Testament. But the nearest mountain range is Mount Hermann. And the biblical text says that after that confession of Peter, Jesus goes up to a high mountain, and he transfigures himself, right? So he shows his glory. It's not a coincidence that that's on Mount Herman. That's where these fallen angels came down.

and did this. So Jesus is going and reclaims, I'm coming for you. Like he's, he's poking him in the eye saying, this is, this is my turf. These are my people. Stepping into a challenge. Stepping into a challenge. Yeah. Bring it on. Bring it on. So, again, when we look at Noah, if I can backtrack a little bit, you know, he was perfect in his generations. And a number of these texts talk about that. So when you say perfect in his, you don't necessarily mean perfect as in he wasn't sinless, but he was like you said, without blemish. So he didn't, he wasn't, he wasn't tainted. That's right. His genes were not yet commingled or

corrupted. Okay. Um, like everything else. So that's what made him really special. Yeah. That's, that's what made him very unique. And again, um, the enemy, um, knew that there was going to be one that was going to come to crush his head. So if he could corrupt the seed, and this is important because humanity is distinct or different from animals because the Bible actually says that we bear God's image. So, you know, literally the Imago Day has been stamped upon us. So at what point, if we're commingled, you know, with other beings or with other animals or whatever, you know, is it possible that we actually lose that image? And if we lose that image, then we're no longer redeemable. And so, you know again that that uh that causes you know significant issues of problems right yeah wow that's

that's incredible i don't i've never really heard it explained like that before so that that's that's very interesting i didn't mean to cut you off with no yeah no no no um so um so you know Noah and his family um you know survived and it does say all flesh was wiped out so the The historical record speaks about these things called demons. And there are many traditions that believe that the demons, they are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim. So if the Nephilim, these commingled beings that were made a cross between, you know, angelic species in some form or fashion and humans and whatever other admixture is in there, if the flesh is wiped out, you know, there's still some sort of, you know, consciousness or, or something that exist. So, you know, they're always looking for a body to inhabit, Jesus says. They're looking

for something to enter. And again, bearing the image of God, we're, you know, we're protected, unless we open up a portal to let those things in. But if, if, you know, beings are corrupted and they longer bear the image, then they're willing hosts. So let me, let me backtrack again a little bit. And in Genesis 6-4, it says, again, that the Nephilim were on the earth on those days and then also afterwards. So it implies that after the flood, these things showed up again. So, you know, there are some theories about that. Some say that, you know, the text says that Noah was perfect. maybe his sons were but maybe his wife wasn't and maybe no his son's wives weren't either so there couldn't have been you know an additional incursion that way or um there could perhaps be some other

angels that fell now you know there are some people who do say well wait a minute doesn't uh you know doesn't jesus say that um you know the angels in heaven we're going to be like the angels in heaven who are neither married nor are given in marriage. Remember that verse in the New Testament? Now, notice the context there. Jesus says, you shall be like the angels in heaven who neither married nor are given in marriage. And these things are fallen angels, right? So they committed an egregious offense. Angels aren't supposed to do this. That's why it was a big deal. and again we have corroborating evidence in the New Testament, 2 Peter chapter 2 verse 4, where Peter actually alludes to this event.

And let me pull that up really quickly here. 2 Peter chapter 2 verse 4, and I'll read verse 5 as well. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tartarus and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until judgment if he did not spare the ancient world but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness with seven others when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly. So notice the context. We're talking about fallen angels who greatly sinned during the time of Noah and now they've been punished or chained. The Greek word there is the word tartarus. That is the only place in the

Greek New Testament where the word Tartarus is used. And it's interesting because a lot of our English Bibles, just one word is usually created for hell, you know, whether it's, you know, the abyss, hell, Gahanna, hell, Hades, hell, the pit, hell, or here, Tartarus, hell. But each one of those words actually, you know, connotes something a little bit different. Tartarus is the word used by the great Greek poet Homer when the Olympians battle the Titans and defeated the Titans. Homer says the Titans were cast down into Tartarus, chained down into Tartarus. And the titans, again, large beings, if you will. and he says that Tartarus is as far below Hades as Hades is below the earth.

So, you know, Peter, writing to a Greek audience, they would have understood that these fallen angels and the, you know, the Olympic stories or the myths of the Greeks speak or are speaking of the same events, even though, again, the Greek myth would be a fractured record. of the historical record that we have in scripture. So when we get to the Old Testament and actually look when the Israelites are freed from Egypt, they're told to go into the land of Canaan and notice that was the land of giants. When the spies went in in numbers, it said they looked like giants to us. I believe it said something like they looked like grasshoppers. to, yeah, we're like, I'm sorry, we're like grasshoppers to them. Right.

They're giants. So numbers 13, 23, I believe that references. And, you know, so some people feel like they're just exaggerating. But when you actually track through the Old Testament, there are a number of giant clans that are mentioned. I mean, a whole slew of them. And, you know, again, this can be corroborated, you know, historically with a lot of lot of the bones that they find, you know, around the world of things that aren't entirely human, right? They're too large, you know, to be human. We work hard at being healthier. And what we

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On that topic of these bones that they're finding all over the world that are too large to be human, one, I hear people talk about how these bones just kind of disappear, you know, because it doesn't fit a narrative when it comes to the whole evolutionist theory. I heard that. but with these elongated skulls, do you know anything about, like, people say that these might be the Nephilim at one time. Have you ever heard anything like that? Yeah. Well, you know, I'm not, I'm not sure if they were nephalum, but a lot of times those skulls are, you know, it's beyond just the, you know, working of the skull that they're doing when kids are young. I mean,

the cranium structure is just way too large. The eye sockets are way too... I mean, they're not like stretching the eyeballs out in those kids. Right. So, yeah, I mean, that's something distinct from humans. You know, where exactly that plays into the narrative. I'm not sure, but, you know, it would certainly fit, you know, with some of these things that we're speaking of.

Yeah. Now, when you said that... Basically, the nephalum, they are post-flood as well. And you're referring to more of a demonic presence. Is that right? Well, again, if these are not natural beings, if they're a product of commingling, if they're a product of genetic manipulation. And again, some people say, well, how can that happen?

you know, angels are immaterial spirits. Well, not really. The Bible actually says that Satan, he can transform himself into a creature of light. You know, you look at Einstein's, you know, equation, energy equals mass, you know, velocity squared. So, you know, matter can be converted into energy. So these angelic beings or species, are incredibly intelligent, you know, a magnitude of millions next to the most brilliant supercomputer or, you know, human for that matter. So these beings, actually Job chapter 38,

it says that the angels witnessed the earth being created and rejoiced. So they would have witnessed the processes of creation. They would have been, maybe even participating in some of those works that God did while he was creating. So these angelic beings are unbelievably, you know, brilliant. So it wouldn't be, you know, beyond their ability to manipulate matter, to commingle and combine different elements to create certain things. So therefore, if it's not something natural, when the flood happened and the flesh of these things was destroyed, that the spirit, the bastardized spirit, if you will, still exists, but as a demonic form. So, you know, again, Jesus dealt with these things, you know, continually, and the New Testament Church does today.

And, you know, so yeah. So I would say, again, the demons would be the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim that were destroyed. Wow. Wow. When it comes to angels, and, you know, obviously fallen angels as well, like, we're talking about pretty powerful entities, aren't we? Yeah. I mean, like, hard to imagine entities. So the hierarchy between like an angel and a demon, like, something.

Like some people put them in the same category, no. Oh, really? No, not even close. So, you know, it's interesting because Jesus gave us authority, you know, over all things. But even angels, when Michael was battling, whoever he was battling, right? And Jude, it said, the Lord rebuke you. So these beings have unbelievable. capacities, you know, crazy capacities, unimaginable capacities. Yeah. Not only to deceive, but to,

you know, just mix stuff. They just have the wisdom to do that. Think about what humanity has done technologically in the last 20 years with genetics, with robotics, with artificial intelligence, with nanotechnology, with synthetic biology, and, you know, all those things together were literally, you know, the science fiction stuff that I grew up with, it's not science fiction anymore. I mean, a lot of this stuff is happening in real time. So, you know, this is human capacity, or maybe some of these humans are having some help with some principalities and powers.

But these, if humans can do that in the last 20 years, what can a being? do that's been around, you know, for a much longer period of time with a much greater capacity. So, yeah, very strong beings. Almost limitless. It's pretty powerful, yeah. I've heard that ancient, the ancient Babylon, even Egypt, I've heard that people suggest that their kings might have been some form of Nephilim. Have you ever heard that?

I mean, because I've heard with the, because some of their kings have that elongated skull and people relate that to the Nephilim. Do you know where they get that from at all? Well, if you look at sort of the mother myth, I suppose you could say it happened in Sumer when you're talking about the Mesopotamian and Valley. so, you know, certainly Babylon, Assyria, Egypt actually a little bit longer or later than that, but still going way, way back. So there's an explosion of technology, you know, that occurred during that time. And, you know, so some people wonder, where did it come from? But when you look at, you know, for example, what happened in the mother myth, when you look at Horace, and iris and osiris

um you know one of them gets chopped up thrown to the nile river they they find the pieces put them all together comes to life they find all the pieces but one happens to be the male organ right and so um all up over in egypt we have the obelisks popping up so where you see an obelisk you know it uh you know we're talking it's a you know male sexual organ Wow. So, you know, the way the occult works, they'll throw secrets right in plain sight.

Curious, too, that the one in Washington, D.C., do you know how tall that thing is? It's 555 feet, which is 6,660 inches. No. The base, right, it has four bases. Each base is 666 inches. Really? Yeah, really. Very interesting, isn't it?

Almost as if it's intentional. It was intentional. Let me tell you. I mean, it was very intentional. Wow. So you think that these things are all tied together from his, like, from modern day things like you just said in our country to back then. Well, well, again, notice the symbol, the male, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that was a sexual act. You know, you know, pretty much. Fallen Angels, you know, flipping off God, if you will. So, you know, you see that symbol. It's actually a call back to what happened here. So, yeah, it gets creepy when you start digging into this stuff and you start, you know, reading the testimonies of, you know, some of this stuff,

yeah. So a little sidetrack, I guess. You referenced Enoch, the book of Enoch. there are people that want to know why Enoch is not part of the scriptures. If we refer to it so often, especially when it comes to these things, and the fact that Enoch himself is, I believe, the grandfather, great-grandfather of Noah. Locked with God. Yeah. Do you have any ideas as to why that wasn't in place?

in the scriptures? Yes, actually, this is going to be a digression. I don't know how well this is going to fit, so you may, you know, have to edit this up. But check this out. This is what happened. By the way, there is some writing of Enoch that shows up in the New Testament. In the book of Jude, behold, he comes with 10,000 of his saints. That's actually a quote right from the book of Enoch. Jude was Jesus' brother, by the way, half-brother. And then, so in the in the New Testament, there are some prophecies in Enoch that were being used by the early church that spoke about the coming of Christ. When, how do I say this?

The Protestant Bible uses the, what was used at the Council of Jamania in 78, 79 AD. And why is that important? the temple was wiped out, destroyed in 70, 71 AD. The Jews no longer could center their worship on the place of the temple. Now they had to go to Torah. They'd use the Bible, right? So 78, 79, you have this massive sect that's growing like crazy, the Christians. And they were using the book of Enoch to witness to testify to Christ.

So what they did in 78, 79, the chief rabbis of the day, they locked in the Jewish canon at that point. And they excluded the Book of First Enoch. So it still shows up in some canons, the Coptic canon in Ethiopia and some others. But like, for example, the Protestant church, when we got rid of the Apocrypha, First Enoch was not in the Apocrypha. or the Catholics call the second canon, but we went to what they used in the Council of Jamania. And again, they didn't use that book.

It's suggested because the early church was using that to point to Christ. So for what it's worth. Gotcha. Yeah. So that would be, that would be one suggestion. Plus, there's a lot of funky stuff in there.

Yeah. So, but some interesting stuff. Yeah. So check this out. Now, in the evangelical church for probably ever since the 4th century, the way they interpreted Genesis 6 was the sons of God really mean the godly line of Seth. It has nothing to do with angels. It's a godly line of Seth.

Now, notice what I said, the 4th century. the first 300, 350 years of the church, and before that, when we're talking about the intertestimal period, you will not find one reference to that being talked about the sons of Seth. It's always speaking about the fallen angels. I have all these references here, which would bore your listeners. But, you know, Philo, Josephus, the early church fathers, Justin Martyr, Turtulian, Clement of Alexandria, lactatious. and then all your other ancient records, Samarian, Egyptian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Greek, Roman, Amarite, they all contain what happened in Genesis 6, which is talking about, again, these divine beings

commingling, creating a bastardized race. So this whole Nephilim topic, this whole topic of the interest that so many people have, actually plays, like the roots of it plays a strategic role in the history of mankind. Yes. Yeah, the hidden history, if you will. But it's not hidden. I mean, you know, the clues are there. You know, whether it's through the written record of these, you know, peoples, whether it's in the ancient reliefs, you know, whether it's in the oral traditions, it's there. So, yeah, and, you know, one of the things I think, you know, is important, at least for those not only who study history backwards, but are trying to project what's going to happen. Some of the words of Jesus, I think, you know, may have, you know, some people may want to consider. He says, as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be the coming of the son of man.

So what exactly was going on during the days of Noah? you had a bastardization of the created order. You had a commingling of species. And when you look at what's going on today in the name of transhumanism, right, co-mingling pig and human and, you know, plant and animal, again, breaching those categories that were stated at the beginning creation, let everything reproduce after its own kind. And again, I'm not talking about husbandry. I'm not talking about like mixing an apple with an orange, you know, that's fine.

But when you start mixing like, you know, an apple, with a pig or, you know, some of that kind of stuff, right? Then you're, you're, you're, you're, you're,

you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're really messing with stuff.

So, wow. Yeah. I said it will be like the times of no and stuff. What, what could that possibly look like? Okay. You know?

So, uh, a lot of people will ask me if, if, if I believe in, uh, E. I usually tell them,

I'm agnostic. I, can I put this on the, on the, on the show or not? because that, I thought about too. Because people say that maybe

these aliens that we see are more demonic. Yeah, well, let me, yeah, I mean, you know, if you want to use it, if you don't like it, you don't have to use it. But yeah, you can put that on if you want. So, when people ask, do I believe in extraterrestrials

or ETs, I say, you know, honestly, I'm agnostic, I don't know. Because if you look at the unbelievable distances, you know, between planets and suns, you know, how can that be, you know? But I absolutely believe in IDs or ITs or EDs, intradimensional beings. Okay. Or extra dimensional beings. Because the Bible's full of that stuff, angels, right? Transversing dimensions coming in to our existing and popping out of existence.

Jacob's Ladder. You know, we have all kinds of instances of angels. angelic help these beings being able to press in to our existence. You know, we're bound into these three dimensions. These spiritual entities aren't. So, you know, so, yeah, so there are many who believe that, you know, all T's are demonic. I don't know that they're all demonic, but I think they are intradimensional or extra dimensional beings. So they're angelic.

Whether they're good angels or bad angels, that may depend upon what's happening. you know, if somebody's having nightmares and, you know, getting sucked up into a spaceship where their genetic material is getting sucked out, it's probably not a good angel. No. You know? Yeah. But there are people that say that they've had good experiences with these things, almost peaceful encounters with these things. So you would think that that would be a good angel then? Possibly.

Well, yeah. Possibly, right? Possibly. Everything is hypothetical here. Well, no, yeah. So possibly sure. But, you know, at the same time, you know, if you're an older person and you want to weave a web around somebody, you know, you're not just going to, you know, throw them right into the web. You might use a little bit of deceit, sweet talk, all kinds of things to manipulate. Okay. You know, what you would like to see happen. So, you know, the Bible talks about, you know, the enemy's weapon is deceit and deception. That's what he uses. So. approaching those times of as they were in the days of Noah because they weren't all dealt with

is there a possibility that there could be a resurgence of absolutely well especially so if if again if it's the image of God that's somewhat of a protective you know coating whatever you know if it's something ontological we don't know if it's something functional we don't know if it's relational, but there's something about humanity the way God created them that bears his image. So if something gets altered where it no longer bears his image, might even look like us, but that, you know, his protection is no longer there, then those things will be willing hosts for hordes of these things. And we wouldn't even know it. Wow. is it is it possible now i don't know how how far your your background knowledge goes with this

with some of these things but the whole idea of this cryptozoology these cryptids is it possible that some of these cryptids could be um representations of the nephalum yes absolutely sure really yeah so like, for instance, you know, everybody knows that I got my start in this whole thing with Bigfoot. But since getting my start and all this stuff, I started looking in other things. Just not real in depth, but one thing that's been really popping up the last few years is this idea of a dog man. Okay. And people say when they see it, it's not usually a good encounter. It's usually a very scary encounter.

And it's, they say it's, I guess, it's, like a werewolf almost. It looks like a dog walking on two legs. And sometimes people talk about being chased by these things. And if these things actually wanted to catch them, they could. But for whatever reason, these things aren't, they're like chasing, but they're not capturing. That whole idea and stuff, I mean, could something like that? Could people be seeing Nephilim, or whatever you pronounce it? Well, again, so the offspring of the Nephilim would be demonic entities. And those are spirits, but they're always looking to embed themselves into, whether it's animals or whether it's, you know, commingled stuff, whether it's ecrpted,

you know, whether it's giants, whether it's leprechauns, whether it's fairies, whether it's, you know, UFOs, alien grays. I mean, these things can manifest or be manifested in a number of different forms. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So, I mean, that, that's kind of, on the surface, it's kind of scary to think about. But there's really, well, there's no need to be scared. Well, again, you know, so I'm a firm believer in Jesus Christ. And I, you know, I believe very strongly. He's given believers authority in his name to, you know, take command over those things.

So a believer who knows that, you know, You know, they're in Christ. They are protected if one takes authority over those things. So we don't have to be afraid. But if I had to battle that thing in my own flesh, yeah, I might be afraid. Right. But greater as he was in me than he was in the world. So if I know the Holy Spirit, you know, is with a believer, then there's no reason to be afraid of that stuff.

Right. Wow. Yeah, that's really like enlightening almost and eye-opening. because that's an idea that I really haven't dove into a whole lot yet. I've been dabbling with it and stuff. Up until not too long ago, when the whole idea of people saying that Bigfoot is the Nephilim, I just dismissed it as, you know, that's not possible. Because in my mind, the Nephilim were wiped out with the flood.

But if... But Genesis 6'4, it says, now they were on the earth those days, and also afterward. Yeah. Yeah. And they show up a lot in, and certainly in the Old Testament, again, with the demons and the new. Yeah. And you referenced numbers 1333, I think it was.

13, 23. 23. They talk about seeing these giants, and that's post-flood, right? That's post-flood, yeah. Let's pull that verse up real quick. So Numbers Chapter 13. Yep. You're right, Tony. It is 1333. Okay.

1333. So the 12 spies were sent into the land, and 10 of them came back with a bad report. So even though their larger beings, the Israelites had God going with them. So, you know, they kept their eyes on the physical stuff and not on God, and this was their report. And there, when they saw the Nephilim, and then it says, parentheses, the son of Anok, who come from the Nephilim, and we seem to ourselves like grasshoppers so that we seemed to them. So check out, here's another name, Sons of Anok, Anachin. Does that name ring a bell? Not right now, no.

Anakin Skywalker. Oh, wow. I don't think that's a coincidence. Yeah. Because it talks about the Anachim in scripture, as actually, one of the Nephilim tribes. Wow. So, you know, if you're talking about these Jedi's or beings with, you know, great power, it would sort of make sense a little bit. Wow. When it comes to these tribes, I don't know, I don't know if you want to go into this or not. If not, I'll cut it. But with the whole different idea of these tribes that they were, Israel was sent in to wipe out, a lot of people talk about how, like, you and I

we were talking about earlier, how was God just a ruthless killing machine? I don't know if you want to share. If not, I can cut it. Well, some believe, and again, here the text speaks that the giants had settled there. So, you know, Satan at least had an inkling that, you know, this was the land where the seed that was going to crush the his head would have to be born. So the giants were there waiting. And again, Mount Hermon, where in First Enoch, where it says the 200 fallen angels came down, you know, is in relative proximity as well. So if these giants, and again, there are a number of different names, we have the Raphaim, we have the Anakim,

The Raphaites, the Zamzumim, and several others that I won't mention. Even Goliath, who, by the way, was a midget, Nephilim, because there's some much larger than him. But these tribes were in the land. So when there are some who believe that when God said, wipe out every man, woman, child, you know, you have to wipe them all out. It's because they had been, you know, it had been a corrupted seed. So, you know, some say that's genocide, but others, if you take this story literally, they weren't, you know, fully human either. And the reality is they didn't completely wipe them out,

which means that there are some that still are around today in different forms of fashions. Right. You know, when all the, when the 200 fallen angels, were all those wiped out with the flood? No, in fact, that's where 2 Peter chapter 2, verse 4, it says that they're bound down up into Tartarus. Jude 6 actually mentions that as well. Jude actually says something else.

He said that those angels, when they left their Eukatarion, in other words, they left their heavenly body, that word's only used twice in the New Testament. The other place it's used, Paul, when he's talking Corinthians, he says, we're going to be putting on our oiketarian. So Jude uses actually that word, the angels, they took off their oiketarian, right, and committed sin. Wow. Jude says that they're down in the abyss.

Second Peter says they're down in Tartarus, relatively, you know, the same word there. So they're being, they're bound being held there? They're being held for judgment, yes. So they will be released. By the way, when some people believe Revelation Chapter 9, let me go there real quickly. Revelation Chapter 9, some believe that these things, these beings, are going to be released with others who are there for punishment.

Notice that it actually says in Revelation 9, I saw the Fifth Angel Blowest Trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit. So pit, abyss, tartarus, same thing. He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace. And the sun in the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft.

Then from the smoke came locust upon the earth, representing demonic power. They were given power like the power of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant of any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were allowed to torment them for five months, but not to kill them. And their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings someone. And in those days, people will seek death and will not find it.

They will long to die, but death. will flee from them. We touched briefly on the thought of transhumanism. Here, it appears like they actually succeeded, where, you know, through technological means or with the help of, you know, principalities and powers, it looks like mankind got what they wanted, the inability to die.

Here they're longing to die, and they can't, which is pretty creepy to think about. They will long to die, but death will flee from them. Others also use this as a pitch for the zombie apocalypse, by the way. Yeah, sure. You know, you bringing that up, it just jogged my memory. I feel like I just recently heard that they were, I guess, scientists or something, they were talking about having the ability in the future to extend life.

Oh, sure. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, again, when we go into the garden, notice. the promise. You shall not die. You shall live forever. You'll be like God and you'll have the knowledge of good and evil. So transhumanism promises three things. God-like qualities, right? Unbelievable knowledge and not dying immortality. So transhumanism pitches the same thing that Satan pitched to Eve in the garden. It's the same thing repackaged. Wow. And the original tent was that we weren't to die. And so going back to the idea of it will be like in the days of Noah, well, I mean, those guys lived, what, I think the oldest man was 969 years old?

Yeah, Methusel. Methusel. Yeah. Lived an awful long time. But in the Garden of Eden, right? Right now we're in our fallen state. It's hard to picture or postulate what we would have been. like in Eden. So these right now, we have bodies of death that we're wearing. I would imagine, you know, those shows like the X-Men and the Marvel comics,

Superman, those sorts of things. Those were the qualities that we had before the fall. We had that kind of unbelievable capacity. You know, we weren't just like sitting under a tree chomping on an apple. You know, it was, we're talking about dimensional space.

So in fact, you know, the cherubim were told to guard that. And many believe it's a interdimensional portal. But now in these bodies of death, we don't have the frequencies, the modalities to capture that anymore. Now we're bound by three dimensions. Wow. So, I mean, I made a video on YouTube while back talking about the idea that if, If Sasquatch is out there, then it has to be extremely intelligent. And I equated the idea of an instinctual intelligence where these things, I believe, are naturally

seclusive and that they instinctually, they're instinctually intelligent on certain things. And I said that I feel like that's one reason why maybe us as human beings, like we're so attracted to these shows of like Survivor Man. because we look at these guys on TV and I feel like deep down inside there's something part of us that is like that was you at one time. You were able to naturally do that at one time and it's like you want to hold on to that. And what you just described with the whole idea of the X-Men and back in the day and all that, like maybe that's why people are just so attracted to these, these, what we would think is just, you know, sci-fi, but because that in our ancient history was actually part of us. Yeah. And maybe even like biggest part. So now it's like, you know, we have our abilities and powers crimpeded. Why? Because in our fallen state, no longer able to discern properly between good and evil. If we're face to face with these things, we couldn't handle it, right? Because they, you know, they still have unbelievable capacities to deceive, to trick, or to overpower. We can't handle it, right? We'd be overcome

with either fear, grief, you know, the inability to process. at that rate, you know, these beings are thinking not only instinctively, but intuitively, right? Where we have to, like, you know, think discursively, if you will. So, yeah, you know, incredibly intelligent beings. I mean, you know, clearly Sasquatch, if he wasn't, would have been caught by now. So not just, you know, some caveman. Yeah. No, you know, incredibly intelligent beings.

And, you know, a lot of the people go into the idea, they call it the woo, which is basically, you know, the idea that Sasquatch is interdimensional Sasquatch. And that's how we can't find them. You'll find it prints and then they're just gone. And, you know, people say that they've experienced mindspeak and they attribute that to Sasquatch. And I mean, if you wanted to go down that path of the idea that Sasquatch could be, a form of the Nephilim, then they would be interdimensional. Is that right? Yeah. Well, the, yes, to a certain degree, again, angels or interdimensional beings, because angels simply means messenger. So there could be a whole hierarchy of created beings, right, that God has made. So, and it would make sense for, you know, those beings to have some sort of covering, you know, while they're in our three-dimensional space. So, you know, could they be, you know, intradimensional beings? Absolutely. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah, I mean, I've, you know, everybody knows I've never seen a Sasquatch. I'm just really fascinated by that topic. And I've talked to a lot

of people, a lot of people who say they've seen them. And I, and I've talked to so many people that fall on both sides of it, you know, they swear it's interdimensional. Some say they've seen it. They call it cloaking right in front of them. Bump, gone, you know. And other people are saying, that's crazy. It's, it's just an animal out there. And eventually, you know, we're going to have the proof that we need to show the world, you know. But that's really interesting when you take that idea and just kind of relate to all this stuff. Back to the giants. Not all Nephilim were giants, were they? Or were they? I mean, when they were fallen.

Yes. No, I'm not saying yes to your answer. Right, no. I think, you know, they're, so are you talking about like, you know, could there be natural giants or? Well, yeah, could there be natural giants, but did they have to be, were they giants? I mean, or could they have been, you know, something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. No, they did not necessarily just have to be giants because even like looking, again, extra biblical stuff, when you look at, the Amarite text, the Rosh Shamna text. There it's talking about, again, the souls of the underworld, and these things can transpose themselves into a number of different things. So, again, if you have a spiritual entity, you can sort of gravitate into pretty much anything. Although it seems like they prefer flesh, right? So, yeah, no, they didn't necessarily have to be giants per se.

So, yeah. That's interesting. I also have a note here. I heard that the Amalekites, I heard the name Amalekite itself. And I don't know if you've heard this before, but the first half means people and the second half means, vampire-like being. Have you ever heard that before? I have not. I would have to do a close a study on that. Yeah, and I just, I think I wrote that down. So I think I heard it today, actually.

But I found that interesting. I was like, well, how deep does this go? I mean, I mean, because you just, you look at all this, you know, the Greek mythology and how that ties into this. And just, I feel like people are so dismissive of ancient people. And they don't take account for what they had to say. And they say, oh, well, that's just stories that they made up. For instance, I also heard today that Indians, Native Americans, the whole idea of raising your hand up is saying, how? Count how many fingers.

Count how many fingers. Could you go into that as to why? Why would they want to count how many fingers? Well, it's amazing a lot of the native peoples. They're, you know, stories with the giants, you know, both in North America and in South America. So, and the giants were not kind. I mean, you know, they were cannibalistic. So, yeah, no, it was, you know, I don't know those narratives as well as I know.

you know, my own tribe, you know, being in scripture. Right. But, you know, I have heard the stories and, you know, reports, you know, clearly like in, you know, the Southwest, you know, finding large cachets of huge skeletons, you know, and not just like one or two, but, you know, dozens and dozens. quick abdication of villages, where everything is just kind of left in place with the stories of, you know,

the giants coming to invade. So, you know, there is a very large tradition there. Yeah. And now with that idea of the giants and North American and stuff like that. And we might have covered this before. Were all giants considered Nephilim? Or like these North American giants

that people hear about and stuff? Was that just a separate thing? No, I would say that was actually a worldwide issue. You know, not just... Now, again, when we're talking about Noah, we're talking about universal history. So some people want to know, you know, was it a local flood or was it a universal?

I believe it was a universal flood, you know, to wipe these things out. So, yeah, no, I don't believe it was just local. So I believe these things were, you know, worldwide. Absolutely. And with the flood, I just saw this now. I just heard last week that, I guess recently scientists have discovered that 90% of the Earth's water is actually below the surface. Yeah. It is pretty fascinating.

It kind of makes you think, hmm, you know, it kind of plays into a whole narrative. of a global flood and how that could possibly happen. All right, well, we do have the water for that, you know. It's there. And if that water wasn't below their service, there would be no land. There would be no us because it would be a flooded earth. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, there's a lot of geological evidence for, you know, people who want to track that. And again, I know there are competing narratives, but there are agendas associated with that as well. Yeah. Absolutely. There's agendas with everything. Yes. Well, that's it, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed the show. I know it wasn't a typical interview that I normally do. It was more of a discussion. But nevertheless, I really hope you guys are leaving here with more information than what you came in with. And before we leave, I just want to give a quick shout out to Erie Young Happy, who gave me some great comments on last

week's show. Ari, those comments really hit home to me. They really mean a lot. And I'm really glad you enjoyed the show. Have a great week, everyone. The sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive, and they took as their wives those that they chose. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of man, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. go into the garden, notice the promise, you shall not die. You shall live forever. You'll be like God. We'll have the knowledge of good and evil. We have bodies of death. I would imagine, you know, those shows like the X-Men and the Marvel comics, Superman, those sorts of things. Those were

the qualities that we had before the fall. We had that kind of unbelievable capacity. And we weren't just like sitting under a tree chomping on an apple. You know, it was, it was, we're talking about dimensional space.