The Confessionals - 422: Fighting Your Demons

Episode Date: March 8, 2022

In Episode 422: Fighting Your Demons, we are joined by Chip and Josh. Chip contacted the show to share his experiences with the paranormal that he has been dealing with his whole life. After listening to The Confessionals Chip started gaining new tactics on how to handle the demonic attachments in his life. Chip also invited his friend Josh onto the show to share what he has seen as well. Josh is a police officer that has had his own run-ins with demonic influences while on duty. Both men come today to share in this extended overtime edition episode. Become a VIP for early access to the "Expedition Dogman" premiere at merkel.media!VIP Premiere: 3/11/22 exclusively on merkel.mediaPublic Premiere: 3/25/22 on The Confessionals YouTubeBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/join MAILING ADDRESS:STE 36188 Glocker Way,Pottstown, PA 19465 SPONSORSGET Surfshark: surfshark.deals/confessionals GET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tony GET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionals GET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!! Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.com Get Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5 CONNECT WITH US Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIA Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaI TikTok: @theconfessionals Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7h Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcast Tony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficial Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcas Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

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When he came over to me Dude he slithered over to me And this giant comes out of the cave And they're all frozen And he starts running and firing at this giant. Well, the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds them up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. I feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two

small gray entities pulling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't bring it. and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody, listening to The Confessionals. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you have a crazy wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email.

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last year and now we're airing it now. But since then, weird things have happened for Chip and he wants to share it with us before we get to the interview. So let's get the Chip in this voicemail right now. Hey, Tony. This is Chip. I was calling you and let you know that me and my wife had another ended up having a very vivid dream. The dream was here in a second, but I was, I said, Did you? I didn't sleep well after, and I asked her if she had a dream, any weird dreams happened to her last night. She was slept all right.

And she told me, yeah, she had some, a weird dream that she woke up, and there was a woman standing over her. And she didn't say anything else, but she just looked up at her, and she just could only utter the words, Chip, get it. Back to what I had dreamed, and I hadn't told her what I dreamed, so this is kind of what I think happened in sequential order.

She told me what she said. She said, Chip, get it. And in my dream, all I remember was I look up and there's a woman standing by our door, and the woman was black. It was a dark silhouette. And it was in the shape of my wife. and all I remember, I never heard my wife.

I knew my wife was sleeping next to me. I could feel her. So I knew what was standing in front of me was not my wife. So I just remember I got up. I ran, I rushed at her, and I pressed her up against the door, and I said, in my mind, in Jesus' name, leave. I rebuked in Jesus' name, and I woke up. But I felt flesh like I felt something.

thing I felt real. And I just remember waking up, and that's when I had to ask my wife if she had any trouble sleeping that night. And it was just weird how it all happened and seemed like sequential order. She asked me to get up and get what was ever in the room. And through the power of Christ, we were able to defeat it. And I just thought, you might like to hear that. So God bless with your ministry, and thank you so much.

Okay, today we got two people on the show, one show, two people. Today we got Chip and Josh, how you fellas doing? Did I, Tony? How about yourself? Doing well, doing well. So today we're going to be starting off today's show with Chip. And how this is going to go is Chip contacted me about his personal experiences. And we started the scheduling process to come on the show.

And since then, he is bringing his friend. now as well, who has a lot of different experiences in Josh. And we'll talk to Josh then after we're done talking to Chip. So Chip, let's get started with you. I think you did a great job laying out the outline for me here. And so I guess what we'll do is we'll just start from the top with the white portal, man. What are we talking about? Yeah.

So whenever I was about five, we moved into this house. It's about 30 miles north of Indianapolis here in Indiana. and we moved in there, two-story house, just your typical single family home. But we were upstairs, and that's where me and my sister, my brothers, we slept. And me and my older brother was sleep in one bed, twin-sized bed, and my sister was sleep on the opposite side of the wall there. And I know I wasn't sleeping or, you know, dreaming in this instance, but I woke up. up and I rub my eyes because I was looking over my sister's bed and there's this white portal. I can't explain exactly what I saw.

It was swirling and coming in and out of it where these like just these white entities. And they didn't have any kind of form to them. They didn't really have any figure. They were just like masses just coming in and out and they were just floating over a bed. and I really didn't know what they think of that. It just freaked me out. And I just remember, again, just blinking, trying to make sure that I wasn't just dreaming or coming from out of a dream. And I just remember looking over there and still seeing them just coming in and they were just floating.

They weren't doing anything. And I just remember getting up out of bed and running down to downstairs to my parents' room. I remember looking back. And I do remember as I was running away, they were still there. But that was really the first paranormal encounter I really had until, really, until I was probably around 15. And then that's where we get into the poultry guys at the farmhouse stuff. And I'll give the location that's, and that was in Elwood, Indiana at the farmhouse. But the white portal was actually at Pendleton.

they're in southern Mazda County, Indiana. Interesting. So when you ran to your parents' room, I'm assuming you told them and what did they say? I actually did not tell them. I just got in bed with them. I really, I kept it to myself for the longest time. I never told them a thing. I didn't tell them that until I was way older.

And unfortunately, like I said, we really didn't have any other things happened there. It was just that one essence. I remember waking up seeing that. and that was about it. But I don't know how to explain it. And I still stay. I still get told it was probably demonic, but I don't know what it was.

I do know this, that my mother did tell me at one time that my sister was looking up in her, it was either in her crib or in her bed, and she was saying she saw a light. She just kept saying she saw a light. That was the only thing I could read. really tied to that is that my sister had said when she was younger that she did see something

above her that my mom couldn't see would that be the only connection I could think of interesting it makes you wonder if there's been things that happened in the house that just didn't get caught by anybody or if this was something that maybe was a launching point in life of activity going on for you because you certainly got quite the rap sheet my friend yeah I honestly think that it didn't help going through life the way I did anyway, just kind of, I hunted it. You know, I wanted to, you know, I wanted to know, I would definitely recommend this anyway. You seek it, you will find it. It's not hard to find if you want to see the paranormal. And, you know, being stupid teenagers, I mean, that's what I did. I mean, I would constantly go

the cemetery of graveyards look these things up I mean I went to church but I mean honestly I wasn't tying it to a biblical view like I do today I thank Jesus Christ for that now that I am able to

you know come to that realization of what they truly are and that they're not good and they're not meant to be sought out and I actually think this show because it was one of the ways I was able to learn that as through the show

So kudos to Tony. Well, we're just over here doing the Lord's work, my friend. So let's talk about the poltergeist in the farmhouse. I mean, you got some things that happen in this farmhouse. And from what I remember, it seems like this happened later in life in your teenage years when you were visiting your dad. Yeah, we always went over there. I like spending my time over there more when I was a teenager. than I did being where I, because I was living with my mom at the time and I just didn't get along with her husband at the time.

But he lived in this farmhouse outside Elwood, Indiana. And it was a two-story farmhouse. It's one of those houses that you look at and you go, that's hot. And I could tell the very first time I stayed in there, something didn't feel right. I could feel a presence there. I couldn't tell you what it was. But, I mean, things would just happen there. My grandmother would say whenever she was sleeping, she could hear him in the wall.

We could stand in my dad's room and just we could hear furniture moving up there because basically downstairs you had two bedrooms where my dad slept and where his step-grandchild slept. And you go straight upstairs to the left was my room. And then you go further up and to the left, there was just like this great big, just upstairs room, like a play area. And you could just hear them up there in the play area, just moving furniture. And you knew no one was up there. But you could stand in my dad's room right below it and you could hear them. But there was an instance, too, we were just being silly and we were calling them out. and we told him the knock on the walls because my grandmother says she kept hearing in there.

And so me and my sister and her boyfriend at the time, we called him out. We said, show yourself, you know, prove you're here. And we told him the knock. And obviously we didn't hear anything at first. But after a moment, right after my sister's boyfriend, basically called him. I'll use the word pansy. He's like a bunch of pansies. They just, I mean, you could, you can hear it vibrating the wall.

Like, I mean, it's just like the hardest not possible, and it was three of them. And we looked on the other side, no one was there. Because it was connected from my room to the great room, the play area. And no one was there. No one was banging on the ground with, you know, underneath the, but the, room or anything. It was something you couldn't explain. But the

one I have here that I forgot to mention was the streamers. During the Halloween season, my dad would always go all out on his decorating. And downstairs, she had two living rooms. You had one towards the outside of the house and you had one

inside of the house. Like how I want to say it, you had one on the outside wall and then you come in and you'd have another living room. And you just a doorway there. It was about, you know, a five-foot doorway. And in that doorway, he had two streamers. He had one on the left, one on the right. They were not connected or conjoined it anyway. And me and my dad were just sitting in there watching TV. And we look over and we just see the streamer on the left just, I mean, about child height, just run straight through. there was like I said no mass we didn't see a body we didn't see an apparation we just seen where you could tell somebody ran straight through it and it was just running right towards us and then all of a sudden you just get that obviously that cold feeling that cold chill and it was just one of those things we couldn't explain I checked I remember getting up and checking seeing if the window is open if the heat or something kicked on anything a door open

there was nothing. It was just something out of this world that just happened there. And things like that would just happen there all the time. Nothing menacing, nothing. You know, hurt us. I remember being asleep and waking up to someone, shaking a bed, waking up, no one's there. I'd be there all along.

I remember one time we had a clock, no batteries in it, but of course they would hear it chiming. So yeah, just many unexplained things would happen there at that farmhouse. But like I said, it was nothing menacing. And so your dad, I mean, he didn't deny that there was things going on then, I guess. No, he knew for a fact something was going on. It just didn't bother us. I mean, it was like we were okay with it. I mean, I know some people might raise a brow at that,

but at the time, it was just like, it's not bothering anybody. And it never did. I mean, it never showed itself. And like I said, going into it without that, you know, a Christian background, we just, you know, we just thought I was some kid in there, you know, just playing around. Interesting. With like the clock chiming and stuff,

I mean, what do you make of that? Do you think the clock was actually chiming or you were hearing some kind of like, I don't know, residual sound or maybe even, I don't know, it's a mimicking of the sound of the clock chiming. I mean, as far as I can tell,

that was something my dad had experienced and he said that the clock just turned on by itself. It was the sound of the clock. He said it worked as if there was no batteries in it. But it worked as if there was batteries in it. But there was no batteries in it. So he saw it working.

He saw it going off. It was right. This happened right after my grandfather, it passed away. And he, I remember specifically he was freaking out because there was a, my grandfather had a painting, a drawing done of him.

And right where that clock was, where he hung the drawing. And I remember it was right after he passed away, not long after my grandfather left back to his way, that he remembers saying it was him that was doing it, because obviously the drawing was right there. So I think that's just what he kind of chalked it up to, that he was just letting him know he was there.

Okay. So judging by the way things are going to be going today, I want to ask you, Do you get the sense that, you know, you just lived in haunted locations? Or do you think that something haunting has been, like something has been haunting you personally? No, I think honestly, something has been following me, my life. I think I opened that door. Just in general with the way I used to, I would say, since being saved, since rededicating my life to Christ.

and that happened three years ago. Before that, I just, I wasn't a good person. I did a lot of things behind closed doors. I wasn't good to my wife. And before that, I just, you know, I did everything that, you know, I was doing behind clothes with my wife. I was doing that as a teenager.

And I just feel like whenever you're doing that, if you read the Bible, you know, that's how Satan's able to access. those, you know, basically allowed to tempt us. And you open those portals, you open those doors. And I just believe that's what I did my whole life. Do you think that the first experience you had in life, though, with the white portal was then just a random thing? Or do you think that was some kind of marker for what was to come?

To that, to this day, I'm not sure what that was, unless it was showing me that I, was going to be sensitive to this stuff because I do believe I'm still sensitive. You know, even after you know, coming to know the Lord, I still feel, you know, I mean, you can see in my timeline.

I mean, I'm still having issues where, you know, things pop up. I'm still being oppressed by demonic attacks. It doesn't stop it. It does help. I know that he's, you know, obviously going to take care of it. I know if I call it,

call upon his name, that'll go away. But you can't take away the temptation. You can't take away, you know, like I said, I just know at this point, I think you made an analogy one time. I'm sorry if I'm rambling. There was an analogy you use at one point, or a metaphor where you were talking about playing basketball and being either not in the game or basically be an offense or defense. I'm trying to think what episode that was.

Yeah, I mean, I use the analogy sometimes where it's like, say you're in a basketball game and that's your life. You know, so you're in the basketball game of life and you're on a team, right? And you're playing against B team. And if you just stand at half court and don't engage in the game, there's no reason why the team you're playing against whatever guard you or even pay attention to you. But when you choose to actually engage in the game and fight in the game to win, that's when the opponents start guarding you and pay attention to you. And I use that analogy when it comes to spiritual attacks. Yeah, and that's kind of a way I listen to that.

And I'm like, that makes sense. And I guess to answer your question, previous is, you know, do I think that's where I started? I think that's where I showed that I was, again, going to be sensitive to it. but also there for the longest time, I played defense, especially right when I started trying to change my life, I was more defensive. I still didn't know exactly how to,

I didn't know how to fight. I know you say the name of Jesus, yes, that's definitely your trump card and definitely something you should do, but also like where does it originate? Like what is causing the spiritual attack? And that's what I did not understand.

stand. And once I found that out, and that's where Josh kind of comes in and really help me out. And also just you, I actually asked you one time, I think it was on Facebook, well, you thought of Dr. Michael Heiser. And then I heard you actually had an interview with him that got canceled. Very disappointing. But you recommended him. And then I read his book. And again, Bible first and then obviously commentary second. but his book helped lay out the Bible so much better to understand where it originates. And then having someone like Josh and in your corner kind of guiding you through it, that's when I went on the offense. And I think that's where it's a different kind of attack when you're on offense.

It's more like it's almost like they do not want you on. on that side of the ball, if that makes sense. And they're constantly after my family. Trust me, this interview, they were trying everything in their power to make sure it did not happen today. And the reason why I wanted to get it out is because, yeah, I want people to have hope in Jesus. And I really wanted to make sure I put that on here. And that's the number one point. But also, I want them to understand that there is an original, you know, a place where it originates.

And it's really important to find that. And to understand this is why you're having these attacks. It's not just because you're unlucky. There isn't a, find where it originates in your life. Is it a sin? Is it a family curse? Is it generational curse? Find that starting point and take that to the Lord.

And that's where it's going to help. Yeah, I mean, I agree that there are things that can bring spiritual attacks on in life. for sure. But I do believe that just being on team Jesus can bring those attacks in itself. I mean, the idea of, you know, everything gets easier once you become a Christian is, I think, a lie. I think the cultural lie, not just from a spiritual standpoint when we're talking about spiritual attacks and stuff, but just in general, I mean, I can't tell you how many times you hear the the messaging of, you know, choose Christ and your debt will be paid, not only sin, but also your monetary debts. You will struggle no more. And it's like, uh, you know, I'm pulling my collar out and

they're kind of swallowing hard and like, e, that's a little rough. Not totally true. The Bible clearly states that, uh, we're going to carry our cross. Or, you know, if you follow Jesus, he wants you to pick up that cross. And, you know, yeah, it comes with trials and tribulation. But like I said, I got off tangent, but I really wanted to hammer that down because I just find that so important with people that are trying to figure out, you know, what's a ghost, what's a demon, what's an alien? You know, it's like the Bible is your, that's where your truth lies. It's there's no other people's truth. There's one truth.

There's not two truths. There's one. And your Bible is going to be where you want to start. And that's the only thing to help me understand what I was fighting against and how I need to protect my family. And I mean, and it just goes on to what, you know, again, it helped me end up finding out what I needed to do. to essentially, you know, stop all these poltergeist activity. Because since then I, since I have came to Christ, I have not had poltergeist activity. I've had oppression.

I've had the feeling of being personally attacked myself, but nothing flying off my walls. Like, you know, obviously I have in my notes here. Okay, let's take a break for our first sponsor today, which is Simply Safe. And I'm really excited to talk to about Simply Safe because I'm kind of gearing up to rearm the house and not this house, but, my new house. You see, many of you know we are moving from the Philadelphia area to the Tennessee area. Let's just keep it like that. And with making that move, we have to upgrade the security system in this new house because we're leaving our security system in this house for the new

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Yeah, let's go into the ghost on the street, man. Let's do the next one up. Yeah, so, Mr. Reed's actually, that'd be where Josh patrols, it's in Hillsville, Indiana. And I was walking home from the hospital. My wife had just had, I can't remember if it was gallbladder or appendix getting taken out. But she was in the ICU, very sick afterwards. She was like I said, she was having complications. And I couldn't stay in there with her.

So I had to either sleep in the couch on a waiting room where I could just, and I was dropped off earlier, so I didn't have my car. So I just decided to walk home. It was about two or three miles from the hospital, I think. So I walked up the road, and Logan Street's actually the road that kind of leads into the backside of my apartment complex. So I decided to take that route. It was probably about between midnight and 2, 3 a.m. or somewhere around there. I just wanted to go home and get some sleep just for a little bit.

And I remember walking down and on that street is a funeral home. And obviously, I wasn't thinking anything about it. But I was coming down that street. And I just remember seeing from the right side, so I was walking east. And so from the south side, I just see a figure all in white to start crossing the street. And I was probably about 200 or 300 yards away. so I couldn't really make out any details. I just knew it definitely had human form

and was just walking across the street, and it was almost like a bright, bright white. It was just unnatural. It was almost like a glow, a dim glow. It was, like I said, it was unnatural. I could tell it wasn't a person. I could tell it was something just not of this world, but I just remember I kept walking.

And finally it got out of my view, And as I was walking up, that's when I remember that there's a funeral home there. And I just, where I seen it walk up to or into. And I just remember going past it and dogs just started howling. I don't know if it just started with one bark, you know, seeing me there and every other dog barked. I just know that. Plus, I just seen what I thought was a ghost. Didn't help the situation.

So it scared me of death. And I just remember walking as fast as I could back to my apartment from. that point. So yeah, kind of freaked me out a little bit. But I think that was my first time I ever seen an actual apparition. Yeah. I'm actually probably my only time.

So when that happens and stuff, I mean, do you talk about it, you know, or something that you kind of? Oh, yeah, I did. Okay. I definitely told my wife about it.

She believes me. And that's the one thing I will say about this. My wife has actually been through, If you go through my list here, she's probably been through 80% of them with me. I rarely have actually encountered something alone. Usually it's with an eyewitness or someone else in the room with me. And for most of these, my wife has been there. So whenever I say that I've seen something, she's pretty understanding and believes me.

and actually this actually might be a good time if you want Josh actually seen not far from here he's seen something black though it wasn't white but actually two road two streets over he actually

seen something all right well let's bring on Josh then Josh man I you know didn't properly introduce you in the beginning of the show but you are a police officer and you've had different experiences on duty in your personal life and we'll get to those after we're done with all Chip's stories.

But since Chip brought you up and stuff, what is Chip talking about? Well, Chip's bringing up a situation that occurred on the evening. I worked night shift at this time downtown. And there was this off of Monument Street. It was a cemetery. And what he's referring to is I guess I was sitting on a circle drive. There was a couple officers that were dealing with a domestic situation,

a couple blocks to the south. And I was sitting in the lot just as a backup, if needed. and working on paperwork. And at the time I was noticing in the darkness and outside my front window was a shadow of a person that was recognizable as a person. But it was a dark figure with a wide brim hat. And it kind of struck me odd. And I almost got on the radio to basically let someone know that there was someone snooping around the area. And I was going to be looking for them.

But I decided to put the mic up and I just sat there for a second or two. And the distance between the circle, so the size of this circle, if you were to walk it, by the time it got to the front of my car, again, I saw it again across the front of my car. At that point, I'm thinking, well, this is more than just a coincidence. And again, it had a wide-brim hat. And at that point, I'm thinking, well, this is kind of an odd situation. So it didn't happen to third time. And after the third time, then that's when I decided to go and leave that area.

But moments, I guess, fast forward about a year, we had an alarm in the house next door to the cemetery. And when this gentleman walked away from my car, he walked into this house, this guy with a white-brim hat. And so that year later, we were doing a security check on it, like an alarm. And I had another officer that was with me that was oblivious to what had happened. and we start to go check the basement. And we get halfway down the stairs. And he looks back at me as I'm coming down behind him. And he goes, do you feel that?

I'm like, yes, I feel that. And he goes, I'm not going any further down this basement. He goes, I think it checks secure and we need to leave. I said, I'm in the full of grants. We basically high tell us out of the house. But that was the house that it went into. So I don't know if the house had something that occurred there, if there was some sort of a presence that was there.

but it was obvious that there was something in connection with the cemetery. So that was kind of a weird moment. So you're a police officer on duty. You see this entity walking to the house. Now, first of all, I know for a fact about 75% of the people listening right now are saying that you had a hatman experience. Have you ever heard of Hatman? I have not heard of it until I was, I guess Chip had mentioned about. it and then so I was doing just to my own research about it and I guess that is a very common

very common thing that you see I guess initially in that type of a realm so that was my only allusion to that so I had no knowledge of it prior to that no okay but what you were looking at in the moment you know because I mean your job is to keep community safe secure yes when you're looking at this was it obvious to you that you were looking at something other than a human being? Initially, it looked like a human figure. So that's what I, because working nights, you see people hiding in the dark and in the weeds and you're running from you.

So you can see those shadows. So that's what my first thought was. And I recognized it as that. The second time around, it was obviously not human. You can just tell it wasn't. And then the third time I saw it was more confirmation than it wasn't. And so that's when I moved out of the area. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's like no point in pursuing if you call that in and say,

yeah, dispatch, I just saw a ghost go in a house. I'm going to go check it out. And we're like, what? So it would have definitely made the news and it would have put me in a bad light. So yes, I did not say that. Yeah. But when you went and responded to house with another office, officer and you both had that weird feeling and you kind of just rolled out of there.

Did you guys talk about it all? Did he, did he suggest that he had a weird feeling as in it felt like, you know, there was some kind of evil in that basement that he didn't want to touch or, you know, and I'm assuming it wasn't like, oh, I think there's a bad guy down there. I'm scared of that, so I'm not going to go down, you know? It was not a feeling of, if it was more of a person or a real type of situation, that had been no issue going down into the basement. But this was out of this realm type of a feeling. It was definitely a spiritual, supernatural,

feeling. And it was one of those that it was undeniably evil, if you will. And so we decided to that point that it was a small basement so you could see the end of the, I guess, end of the basement. So there's really nothing there to see. It was just that feeling and a presence and we decided to go ahead and leave. So we hoped it out of there. Yeah, I understand.

I mean, listen, And you're bad guy busters, not ghostbusters, you know? That's right. You know, it's time to just kind of move on out. And, you know, with a situation like that, I mean, after the experience there, I mean, what do you guys do as far as, like, paperwork goes or calling things in? Did you just say, nothing there or what? From my recollection, we marked in service and the house check secure.

We locked the door and we left. copy that keep it simple keep it generic and move on right i got you i got you so yeah we'll definitely going to come back to you and stuff because uh with your profession uh being a police officer and some of the things you had to do on duty with the spiritual realm uh are definitely going to be um we'll dig into that and stuff but so so this experience though uh happened not far than from where chip was just talking about with his experience Correct. It's probably about three blocks. Chip's experience was three blocks to the south of where this was, yeah.

Gotcha. Okay. Chip, let's bring Chip back on. And Chip, with this experience now with the whole entity that you saw, Josh shared what he experienced with the cemetery, the house. Listen, is this, and this is a question that both you could answer, but I just brought Chip on. I saw that ship answer. Is this something that you think there's evil, there's just an evil atmosphere of the area, a haunted area, or do you think that this is something that was all just the same or what?

I mean, how do you guys read this whole situation? Well, there was definitely, there's an apartment complex that I was walking to. I mean, there was definitely a apartment fire there where there was two casualties. Josh, I'm sure can remember that as a woman and a young son. But also, I know for a fact, whenever I was living there in the apartment complex that my neighbor,

it's funny because Josh probably knows about her too, was she was practicing witchcraft. I know it was a very evil type of witchcraft, very demonic, because her mother, she lived with her mother there in that apartment. They lived right across the street from us, and it was actually the same, or across the hall, and we lived in that exact same apartment building that actually caught fire. And she said that she would see whatever she was conjuring. Again, I'm going by off what she said,

But I just know in that area, at least in that apartment complex, that there was witchcraft being done and also just bad aura on it anyway with the fire that happened and the death. I mean, these spiritual entities will try to mimic anything. So, I mean, I kind of chalk out to that. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that happened in there. And it's not a very good neighborhood anyway. So just in general, bad juju all around that neighborhood.

Yeah, I mean, it's just one of those places that cops are in and out of all the time, whether it be domestic house calls or drugs or anything like that. There seems to always be something going on in there. I mean, we didn't have to watch cops on TV. We could just open our window. I got you. I got you. I got you. Okay. Listen, let's move on to the apartment.

And this is not too far from Noblesville. It's outside of Pendleton, where the first occurrence happened in the house. But there in that town, outside the town, there's a row of duplexes. And essentially what happened there, too, there was a double homicide, a woman and a daughter, unfortunately, lost her life in that. and I remember that only because my wife she found this duplex for rent there but she didn't want to move into that one. So we had to look up the

I looked up basically what happened where it happened. I tried to look up like the where the caution tape was. I'm like, see, honey, we're not moving into that one. We're moving into this one. So, but unfortunately I had to see what, looking for that, I had to see all the details of it. But Anyway, I think that's where a lot of that, the next thing that we have here, where you have a lot of poltergeist activity because when you're in that area,

that's all people talk about. And I believe whenever these spirits hear these things, they're going to use that to their advantage. I mean, they're either going to, you know, make themselves known as this woman and this child or, you know, just something in that nature. And there at the apartment, the little duplex, essentially it's your typical duplex you have, it's not a two-story, it was just a single ranch style,

brick duplex where you have two garages in the center and, you know, one on your, you know, a duplex on your left, duplex on your right. We lived on the one on the left. But for some reason, we were still having a little bit. having high activity. And this is my first time actually dealing with poltergeist activity.

But the first thing I could remember that happened there was, and again, I was very skeptical at this time. I didn't believe hardly anybody that, you know, said that something was going on in that duplex. One, because I liked the duplex.

It was out in the country. It was quiet. I can go out there and have fire. I can go out there and play with my kids. It was just a nice place to live. And I enjoyed it. Plus, it was cheap.

But we ended up. up moving out there. And the first thing I remember hearing was my cousin, or my wife's cousin was out there, spent a night with us, and he was sleeping in the living room. And in this duplex, so as soon as you walk in, it's the living room, and then you go further up, doorway, kitchen, turn right, garage. And then basically to the left of the living room was your two bedrooms and your bathroom. And I remember being, he was sleeping on the couch in the living room. And he's, he, I remember he called us. He's like, all your cabinets is opened up and they slammed. And I said, yeah, right, you're full of it.

And he swore by it. I remember he would. This kid was like 15, 16, 17 years old as he stayed there with us. And he always had to usually sleep in our bedroom on the floor. He's a big boy. And he would not sleep usually in a living room by himself. So he was definitely shook up, but I didn't believe him. there for a while.

I was very skeptical of believer at the time. I just didn't want to admit anything was going on. But going, and it's weird because I already had experiences. But I just, at that time in my life, I just, I just wanted to put it behind me. I thought the more I didn't think about it, the more I didn't bring it up, you know, I'd just go away. But it just kept escalating from there.

And that's when you would start hearing the bathroom door. You'd be in there taking a shower, someone to knock. And I go out there and I'd be like, what'd you need? Anybody need something? And my kids would deny they knocked on the door. My wife would deny that she knocked on the door. And again, it's just one of those things. It's like, you can't prove anything's happening, but you're hearing it.

And things like that would just continue happening. my daughter was really young at the time she has hair down to her her midback black so anytime she ever got out of bed and it was standing next year bed you almost hit her because she's just she was scary to wake up to

I mean she was like the girl from the rain whenever you know she you wake up and see her because she had such long hair she had long hair since she was a baby. But anyway, there was an instance, too, where my nephew was sleeping in the living room, and I remember I heard somebody get up and running and go into the kitchen from my bedroom, and I remember getting up, and no one was up. And I looked in my daughter's room, and usually you can tell when kids are playing, you know, like they're asleep,

but she wasn't playing. She was out like a light. And I remember going in there and flip out on the light and seeing if anybody was up and no one was up. And I was walking back through and seeing that my nephew was asleep or he seemed like he was asleep. And I remember waking him up that next morning. And he's like, Paisley kept me up all night. I go, wait and meet. He's like, she was running up and, you know, through the living room into the kitchen.

She just kept me awake. I go, well, she was her. But I didn't tell him that I could use it, you know, like eight years old. But I couldn't explain that. And my wife would just constantly see something out of the corner of eye. She'd be like, like, Chip. And I'm like, what? She's like, never mind.

Never mind. And I'm like, okay. And she would always say, like, she had a little girl, you know, out of the corner of her eye. you know, at the bedroom door was because we usually kept it cracked open. And she would always see something out of the corner of her eye. But things started escalating, and I can remember it. It was on the 4th of July. I can't remember I think like 2016 or something.

And I remember we came home from the fireworks show. We didn't stay the whole time. And we came home early. And we walked in the door. and there was a painting. I had two, like three, two or three paintings of some Native American art on my wall. And the one furthest, so to the left there by the bedrooms was down off the wall. And I thought it was odd.

So I went over there and I picked it back up and put it back on the nail and walked away. And I fell back down again. And so I did it. second time, I picked it back up, and I tried to straighten the nail, you know, just making sure it was out far enough to catch the hook and turn back around and dropped again. And my wife's easily freaked out. So she, she wasn't having it. So I told her, I said, just relax. I'll go in, I'll get a hammer and I'll fix this nail. Well, I brought the hammer back. I put the nail, I think, I tried putting it in a stud. I think it was out of the stud. So again, it was one of those things I could just, you know, say, it's just a coincidence. So I put it in a stud and the picture falls again, right as soon as I fall, turn around. My wife was not having it at that point. She takes a hammer.

She takes the baby, my youngest, and she, I think she was two at the time, man. She goes into the bedroom and closes the door. And while she's in there, I know she did not open the door, because you can hear it. You can hear every noise in that house. And I went out to the garage just for a second to grab a nail. I was going to grab a bigger nail to go into the studs further to hold it up. And I come back in and that picture is no longer in the living room. It's, I don't know where it's at.

I didn't know where it was until I walk around the corner and I can see it leaning against my daughter's bed. And I called my wife, I said, why did you move that picture? And she comes out with her, you know, hammer in hand, moved what picture? And she looked, she's seen it was moved, it freaked her out. It freaked me out. And we end up starting getting, you know, baby, we're out, getting packed up into the car. And I realized that the lights are still turned on because we were going to leave for a minute. I'm like, I don't know what's going on.

It's freaking me out. We just need to go, you know, whether we need to pray, bless the house. I don't know. At that time, I was still. playing defense. I just didn't understand what I needed to do. I was at that time trying to get back in the church

and just I had no answers. And try to go and asking a Baptist church for what to do with ghosts. Yeah. They're pretty vague. So anyway, so I didn't know what to do. But the lights were on. We were out in the car and I'm like, look,

it's my house. I'm going to leave for a minute, but I'm going to go at least shut the lights off. My wife's very clean. She walked in there with me because she had to be with me. But we walked in the house and the lights were on in the kitchens. We had to walk through the living room into the kitchen. And on above the light switch, as you basically turn around to face the outside, there is a light switch. And above it was a picture, like a small little decoration.

portrait and then on the left side of the doorway was another portrait. And as soon as I flipped that light switch, that picture flies right over the right shoulder of mine. And then the left side flies off the wall. And we booked it out. I mean, we got out of the house. We called my, I remember we called my sister-in-law, my brother.

because I think they were staying the night with us at the time. We were telling what was going on. And I just remember we didn't go back into the house until they got there. I mean, we were just that freaked out. And again, we didn't know what to do. All we knew was to pray to Jesus. And it stopped for a second. Like I said, that was the first time and the only time we ever dealt with real poltergeist activity.

But it was definitely wild. And that kind of goes into a couple other things that happened there. The other thing that really kind of freaked me out the most, or one of the things was we were, me and my wife had a night out. And our children were in over at the babysitters. And we woke up one morning there at the duplex, and we were just kind of just laying there, lounging until we had to go pick up the kids. and I hear my name called. And I go, why is the babysitter here? I don't think she has a car.

And I just hear Chip, Chip. And my wife heard it. And she's like, I don't know why she's here. And we heard it again. We hear my name called again. And we walk into the living room and there's no car in the driveway. We open the door. No one's outside.

I mean, we could see, from our window, we could see the whole front yard. We knew no one was there before we even lived in the living room. And we didn't hear a door open. And it was just odd. But what made an odder, or more odd, or sorry, language, what made it worse to think about was whenever I was looking through, because for some reason I ended up looking more about the death of the people a couple doors down. and the woman who passed away who was murdered, her husband's nickname was Chip. And that freaked me out a little bit.

Definitely raised some eyebrows. And again, I just, I can't show us how much that the spiritual entities will mimic and use that against you. Very odd. In that house, is that the house where you had the night hag guess, incident? Yes, I did. I was while my my brother and his wife were living with us, the ones I told you about earlier, how we waited until they got home. They weren't living with us at that time, but they ended up moving in with us. And

our bed was on the floor, our mattress was on the floor at that time because the frame had gotten broke. And I remember I was laying, the mattress is right there by the doorway. And And I remember being asleep, and I remember waking up, but I was like, it's weird because I've heard this with sleep paralysis where it's like you're in your body, but you're like sitting up. Like, you know you're laying down, but you're sitting up. And it was almost like an out of body experience because when I was sitting up, I could look down the hallway. And I could see just this girl.

from the ring. She had pale white skin. I could not see her eyes. Her hair was covered in her eyes, and she was crawling. And I just remember she crawled as close to the point where I could feel her breath. I could feel it. And I was like, I got to break out of this.

I got to break out of this. And as soon as I was starting to think that, I remember being in my body and I remember swinging my arm like I was going to hit her. And I just woke up. hitting the wall. But, I mean, it's not the first time I've had sleep paralysis, but that was, I don't remember dreams. And I know you've said that on your podcast, you don't remember yours.

I don't remember mine. I do not remember them. So I think the ones that we do remember, they're significant. And I don't know what that thing was, but I feel like it's something that was following me for a while. And I just, remember not long after that, like I said, I was getting into church. Not yet at the church where I'm at now, where I'm at Josh, but I was really getting into this stuff.

I'm pretty sure I was listening to your podcast and started getting into Michael Heiser. But it was like a turning point for me because I really, at that point, I wanted to fend these things off. and I can't remember if I have it in the notes or yeah where my wife had a similar experience in her sleep and this is this was right when I said enough's enough

she was sleeping and she said she remembers waking up and she was floating above her so she actually had an outer body experience and she was floating above her bed her bed and she can see me and her sleeping. And she looked down and she just seen these four hooded figures and they look like kids. And they were wearing black hoods. And she just remembers them looking up and just starts smiling.

And you know the smile, ear to year. Just this demonic smile. And they just kept saying, we got you. We got you. and she told me, she says she's remembers screaming at the top of her lungs for me to wake up. And I'm a light sleeper.

If she was to be screaming, I would have woke up. I don't believe she, you know, dream state, different reality, different realm, whatever you want to call it. She's seeing these entities, along with that one I was crawling, these are the ones that were bothering us. These are the ones that were throwing pictures about the wall. these are the ones that were calling our name. She's seen them without a doubt. I remember she came to me. I went to work.

She was still asleep. I came home and she told me about it. And at that point, I was angry. I grabbed my Bible, and she was very, like, shook up about it because I started screaming at the top of my lungs. I think I was reading Psalm 23, Psalm 91, rebuking them in the name of Jesus.

You have to go. You need to flee. Go back to where Jesus said. You know, you go where Jesus tells you to go. Go to the cross, whatever. I was angry. I just remember taking the Bible. And at that point, the major demonic incident started.

It just went away. I mean, we still had a couple things here and there. My grandmother's ring that she gave to my wife ended up out of the drawer box and we found it underneath our dresser both times. Don't know how I got there. But that was really the only

instance I could think of that happened. And that was kind of what escalated me to finally tell myself like it's it's time to go against these things and I rebuke him and get rid of them. And it's when I really started

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Like you've had experiences before this. And it took till this point for you to kind of take a different approach to this is what it sounds like. Yeah, because at this time, I was really trying to shame my life anyway. I really, during this time, I actually had just done a study on manhood. It was called Manhood Restored. It's actually done by Eric Mason. He's actually from your area.

He's a pastor there. Dude, you know Eric Mason? I do. I did his Manhead Restored. I loved it. He, he, uh, pastor of Epiphany, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

I used to run down there all the time, like, all the time. because I used to be part of music stuff in Philadelphia, and a lot of the rapper, the Christian rappers, went to the church there. Like, that's crazy. That's crazy. I never thought I'd have Eric Mason pop up my show. I loved it.

He has a book out and a study, or it's more like a seminar type of deal. You do like seven weeks of it, I think. But it was called Manhood Restored, and it just gives you no excuse to lie around. and just, you know, want everything handed to you. You don't have a dad in your life. You have one in heaven. You know, just it's time to step up, be the man. And he really spoke to me.

And I was just like, all right, I got to step up. And that's when I really started getting to the spiritual warfare. He didn't really talk about it much, but his, like I said, his book and that study we did at that church really was my launching point. And as I was saying, like I said, after that, we really didn't have too much happen there. And that's when we started going to this new church. And I actually moved to a different house. I'm actually living in a house that my mom owned. Well, she owns it still.

We're in the process of buying it. But anyway, we live over here now. And again, nothing really happening here. because at this point, I'm putting on the armor of God. It's just, is a totally different atmosphere over here. I remember moving in,

and this is after talking to Josh and him really kind of going through the spiritual warfare and just understanding it and just more or less hearing his, his explanation of it, and it really just spoke to me. And it was just, you know,

rebuking generational curses, you know, going after it. A lot of what he talks about is something by an author of John Ramirez. He's, his book Armed and Dangerous is really good too. Again, Bible first. I think it goes, you know, get something that kind of talks over the Bible, but armed and dangerous, definitely recommend it to anybody. But I remember I was sitting at a park not far from here, and I was facing the house. and I just remember praying

and I was praying for peace over the house basically for me to be the spiritual leader of the house basically just taking a step forward in my faith and saying I want ownership of the house belongs to God but I want to take a stand and I want God to use me as his instrument

to just fight these entities and to just lead my family and protect them and go in a different direction. But during that time, that's when I felt the first time I ever felt something attacked me personally. And I just remember something pressing against me, it was holding me against the seat, holding my neck back, holding my arms back, and at that point I had to rebuke it. It was like a test almost. It was almost like, let's see what you got.

And I just remember I just went into this all-out prayer to God, and it's all out like I was rebuking it. I just took control, and I felt like I finally had the upper hand. And it was only because of the power of God. But I felt like I had the upper hand because I was finally using what God gives us, what Jesus Christ gives us to fight against these things. And I just remember having this feeling in my chest after that. It was like this just burning in my chest.

And I had a shortness of breath. I had it for a long time. And I remember I called Josh right after that. And I talked to him. I said, I just had this experience at the park. I can't breathe hardly. And that's when he told me, you just earned your badge of honor.

They know now what you stand for and they're going to come for you. And most likely it's going to be like for 21 days as it was like in the I think it was 21 days. I wish I had my Bible out. It's in the book of Daniel where he fought the prince of

Persia. He was referencing that, I believe. And I just remember for those 21 days, it was just constant battles in my mind and my dreams. I was having bad nightmares. I'd be having, and there was two nightmares in particular I can remember.

I just remember one of them being I was in my old apartment. I was coming out of my bedroom. And as soon as you come out of my bedroom, there's a hallway closet where we had like linens and stuff and towels. and it was open. And I don't know why this is important. I just remember I shut it. I said, flee.

Like something was there that had opened it. I said, flee. Get out of my house. And I ended up turning around. And if you turn around from there next to my room as my daughter's room or my two daughters will sleep. And I walked in there and I remember sitting on the bed. And I've heard this on your show where it was almost, like infrasound.

It was almost like I was paralyzed. I could not move, but I, before I was paralyzed, I just heard this, like, deep hum, this deep, it was almost like a high, someone turned the base all the way up. And it was ringing in my ears. All right, hang on a second. Hang on, hang on.

Before you go any further on this, was it almost like a, like a speaker going, woo, woo, who, who? Like I said, it was like someone just went, the start of like Iron Man by Black Sabbath, like that door. Got you. Like that. It was like this deep base.

And it just went at the top of my head and it just froze my whole body. And I could not move. And I was sitting on the edge of the bed. And all of a sudden I just hear this guttural growl from behind me. And I quit, of course I can't speak. But I'm using the name of Jesus in my mind. mind and I'm just praying it. I'm praying it. I'm praying it. And before I know it, I'm sinking, like just sinking into the floor. And I remember waking up. The second dream I dreamed,

I just remember looking, I don't know where I was. I just remember being there in a bedroom or something looking at like a clock on the wall. And it was like a red tent to the room. And I felt the same exact feeling. I felt the emphrasound type of paralysis. Like I said, like somebody was, there was just this deep bass sound. And I started from the top of my head and worked my way down to my feet. And this time, not only did I hear the growl,

I heard something say, hello, in the deepest voice. And then I woke up. So, I mean, we've had those instances happening there at the house, but it's always been directed to me. The other instance I could think of here at my house now, the main thing I can think of, and this is, again, something me and my wife both, there's no denying it happened. And this is, we were not sleeping. It was not a dream. Both awake for it.

we were laying there about to go to sleep and I just remember I had just put my head down and in my mind's eye I see a woman and she's basically leaning over my wife who sleeps on my right so she's I'm looking to my right and I see this woman and I get it's in my mind's eye I don't actually see it like physically

it's in my mind's eye and then there's this woman just towering over her looking straight down at me. Just her eyes were milky white. I can't. It was an older woman. And I just started praying in my head. Name of Jesus, you need to go. You're not welcome here.

You need to leave. I was praying the prayer in my head. And as I'm praying the prayer, I'm not praying out loud. My wife cannot hear me. I'm praying in my head. My wife speaks to me and says, Chip, you need to pray right now because there is a woman standing right above me. And I said, on it.

I didn't tell her at that point that I knew or I had already seen it in my mind that there was something over her. But she could feel it too. And not only that, she must have the same exact vision I had. And it was kind of comforting knowing that we were not both crazy. But at that point, I was praying out loud. And we've yet to see that since. But it was definitely a very bizarre experience to share with her.

Yeah, you know, that sounds like a nighthag, doesn't it? I mean, I guess that could be your definition. I mean, I only had that with sleep paralysis. And that's usually when I have it. I didn't have sleep paralysis that night. Like I was not dreaming. We weren't even like we were laying down. It was right when I turned off the TV to go to bed.

And that's what happened. It was just bizarre. And I can't explain them. I just know that me and me and her both seeing the same entity in our minds. And I know that I did not tell her I seen it. I did not mention I seen it. I was only praying in my mind for it to go away. I didn't think of anything of it.

I was like, oh, well, there's something here. I just didn't pray make it go away. I wasn't expecting her to tell me that she's seen the exact same thing. That was very odd. Yeah, but I'm sure it is, you know, reassuring and confirming. You know what the funny thing is? I forget so many of my experiences in my life. And I don't know if that's by design.

It's like, listen, you do this show. I don't want you remembering this stuff. But, you know, and again, I forget. I just know recently my wife had just told me that her and I had basically the same dream, the same night. And this happened a few years ago. But again, I can't remember what she told me. It's the craziest thing that I can't remember my dreams. My wife remembers my dreams when I tell her and I forget them. She just told me literally like a week ago, this whole story and like, oh, yeah, I remember that. And I can't remember it again. It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. Maybe it's just that I'm stupid. I don't know, but it's a male thing. Trust me. It's just,

I honestly, like I told you, I have such a bad memory, especially when it comes to dreams. I can't remember. But for some reason, there are three or four or five that I can just, I'll tell you exactly what happened and detail.

And it's crazy. And it's like I told you at the beginning of the program. ever since I've went on offense, these entities have been attacking me in a different way. Now they're playing defense. It's almost like they're trying to, you know, instead of going, you know, they'll come directly at me, but now they're also trying to go out my family.

And right now that's what we're dealing with right now. It's just the constant spiritual warfare of, you know, dealing with it, trying to get to my kids, trying to come in through the movies, or the music or, you know, I'm not the type that's going to be, you know, you know, it's crazy because

you said it on your program many times. Take yourself off of, you know, the mainstream for two weeks, three weeks a month and see what you see. And it's crazy how much you can just see in the movies and in the music.

And I know at their age, they're not going to understand. Right. and right now that's just what I'm trying to protect it from is because the veil is then so much that they're not even hiding it anymore. I mean, it is crazy how much they're trying to attack the children and this generation. It's insane. Yeah, you know, I do say that unplug from the mainstream. When I say mainstream, you know, a lot of times when I say it, I'm referencing about, you know, the media.

but media, it does encompass movies and TV shows and movies and all that stuff. It is one reason why I don't watch a whole lot of movies is because I want a fresh perspective of my own thoughts when it comes to dealing with a lot of stuff. I don't want, you know, Hollywood imagery and conclusions on how things operate, filtering through my mind as to, you know, how things operate in this realm. But it's true when you unplug, when you unplug, when you unplug and you let your mind kind of decompressed and let the brainwashing of the media and like I said broadly media kind of filter away. You plug in again, you see things a lot differently.

And what you said about the kids and stuff, you know what? They're not going to understand it. But you know what? That's why you're their dad. It's your job to understand it. It's your job to protect the child from things that could harm them that they don't recognize that could be harmful. Yeah. And I typically, you know, because there's been times here and there where they've said,

Dad, you know, I've seen something. I don't know what it was. You know, it was black or, you know, whatever. I'll tell you this, I don't dismiss it. I will not dismiss it. I will tell them straight up, you know, like, I'm not going to be like, oh, I'll tell you exactly, you know, let me give you a scary, you know, picture and show you what you're seeing. No, it's, look, there are things out there that we cannot explain.

There are things out there that I cannot explain. I can tell you this, that if you cling to your belief and who Jesus Christ is, they're more scared of you than Nate, you are of it. And I will tell them that. You have no reason to fear them. They're just trying to get you. They are trying to make you curious. They want you to look into what they are.

And at this point in their life, they don't need to know what they are. They just need to know that they are there. and they have the power through Christ over them. That's it at this point in their life. But it's definitely something I would definitely recommend to anybody that's dealing with, you know, kids seeing things. It's show them they have, you know, more power in their little pinky with the power of Jesus than, you know, these entities too. They're terrified of that. They do not want people invoking that name.

No, and it's true. It's true. And I say this several times in my show, and recently, so at the time of this recording, I'm not sure if you've heard me say this on my show or not, Chip, but, you know, I was a guest on another show. It was a radio show, FM radio, and the guy who's the host does a lot of mystical things. And I don't know what he believes, but I just know him and I aren't the same on that stuff. You know, I shared some of my experiences and, you know, I mentioned about, you know, my faith and things like that. And it was, it was very, it caught me off guard, man. Like, he said to me, now this is a guy who has his radio show, his audience tunes in because they like him and all that stuff.

And he told me and his audience live on air that he knows one thing for sure is that the name of Jesus stops these attacks. And he said, and then he followed that up with that he didn't, you know, he wasn't sure. you know, what about it, you know, was so powerful. And he kind of, I think he went into like some kind of like sun god talk or whatever. But like, the bottom line was he, he even said to me in his audience that there's something about the name of Jesus that stops these attacks. And I was just like, well, that makes me feel good, you know? I was like, that's, that's, that's kind of cool that, you know, even he would recognize something like that, which, you know, was pretty cool for me. But, now with these things happening, you know, that you just kind of shared and how Josh had told you kind of like you just earned your badge.

In those moments, when you're starting to understand how things are operating, you know, what things are going on, why they're going on, how did you feel? I mean, was there a sense of empowerment? I'm assuming not fear, but maybe a little bit. but you know were you almost energized in the sense of like you know the scrub that was on the bench all these years and all of a sudden the coach says hey you're going in you're like yeah let's rock you know like what was the feeling well you know he goes into again i mean why did satan have why does satan want to keep you from basically embracing your given authority by Christ.

And I wanted to understand that. And I remember we went to a church meeting. And one of the weaknesses, because the pastor who was doing the meeting, he asked a question, he's like, what's your strength and what's your weaknesses? And I said my strength, I think, was a commitment and just basically being loyal. I use the word loyal. My weakness was confrontation. And I said, not anymore.

When I said those words out loud, I'm like, not anymore. Obviously, this is what Satan wanted me to not be, was someone who is going to speak out about him and who he is, and now he's a liar. and that, you know, I'm not just somebody on the sideline. I'm someone God wants to use. God wanted to use me, and I let Satan scare me, you know, basically him control me for too long. Oh, man, I'm 31, and this happened three years ago to where I finally said enough is enough. That's 28 years of my life, you know, 10 useful years from the age of 18 to 28, where I could have been doing it. something for Christ. And I didn't. I was too afraid. And when I said that my weakness was

confrontation, I said no more. I started a Bible, you know, the Lord told me to start a Bible group on Tuesday nights, get with men, hold each other accountable, be the speaker, be the one given the, you know, starting off the meetings. And that's all because of Jesus. It's all because of him, because of our Lord. It's not because of me. But I was too afraid. And then, That's what it made me want to do, was step up, step out, be different. And, you know, no longer, I want when someone sees me to go, you're not who I remember. That's what I wanted. And that's how I felt.

I felt different finally, not necessarily empowered. It was more like, I'm who I was supposed to be. I'm finally doing what the Lord wanted me to do. And that's speak up for him and no longer being quiet about it. Well, I would say that you are accomplishing that right now, and that's cool, man. I'm a little similar in a sense where for me, I guess if I was asked these questions, I would say, I don't know, I don't even want to think about my strengths. I don't even know.

But the weakness, I would say, has a lot to do with this show. Because from my, from my, just, you know, your childhood kind of shapes you into your adult life. and if you let it go on default, you just wind up being who you default to. And a lot of times childhood can shape a human being in their character. And, you know, I had a rough childhood. And into my adult life, one of the, I think, weaknesses of mine was that I just wanted people to like me. I think I went through the rough childhood that I went through, and I just had enough of the whole nobody likes me in scenario. And so I didn't want to ruffle people's feathers, even though I am a fiery individual. I have strong opinions about things. At the end of the day,

a lot of times I would keep my mouth shut on things because I just didn't want to, I didn't want people not to like me. And going into content creation, you're going to have people who just don't like you. And I didn't totally understand what I was getting myself into when I first started podcasting, but it was definitely a weakness where I had to really consciously overcome before podcasting, but definitely into podcasting where I had to consciously stay committed to the fact that sometimes I'm going to say things that people aren't going to like and it might cause them to turn off the show and never turn it back on. And I have to be okay with that if I'm saying things that I believe, if I'm saying things that are coming from the right place,

you know and so i guess for me you know that would be a weakness for myself um since we have this powwow going josh what's your weakness now i'm just kidding but uh um no but listen listen chip i i i appreciate you sharing these experiences and stuff and i honestly dude i the way you laid things out and the way you you relayed your life story how you view things i do think that you're going to help like you mentioned several times in this show on this episode how this this uh podcast kind of helped shape your mind on certain things. And, you know, that's cool for me to hear, man. I kind of check you off in a box of several people who've contacted me over the year saying those things. And, you know, here's a strength for you then maybe. One of my, one of my things that I just am passionate

about in life is that I want to affect people in their lives in a positive way. Maybe that that comes from the stems from wanting people to like me, but I just want to be a positive influence of people's lives. And I don't do it perfectly all the time because I am a fiery individual, so sometimes I cork off at somebody who I think deserves it and I kind of squander that. But knowing that, you know, the show has helped you in some way or form, I think that's really cool, man. I appreciate that.

And I take a lot of encouragement out of that. No, you definitely run a very good ministry, whether, you know, people want to call it that or not. I call it a ministry. You give people a platform. And, you know, some people are going to come in here and, you know, they're going to speak their mind. They're maybe going to, you know, talk about these things as something else. I'm not saying this to be cocky. I'm just telling you there's only one truth.

The truth is in the Bible. And I know you believe it. and to hear someone to, you know, not afraid to come on to their, I mean, obviously you post a show and you're not afraid to say you're a Christian. I'm just saying, I listen to a lot of radio, I listen to a lot of podcasts. There's a lot of people that claim to be Christian, but there's a lot of people that don't stick to their guns when it comes to, you know, what they truly believe. And you're not afraid to come on here and say, this is what I truly believe. Jesus is the son of God. He came here as a man. He lived the perfect life. He died on the cross. He rose in three days. I mean, you're not afraid to say that. And to me, to stand on what you firmly believe is very important, especially to someone who you're, you know, and again, that's why you help me in that regard because you were not afraid that, you know, you weren't going astray from your, from your platform, from that platform, that that's the truth. Now, while these other things are, in the this world, the Bible is very, it's clear but vague. I mean, it gives some hints, but there's a lot of

questions. But, you know, and that's where we can kind of have fun and, you know, just try to talk with each other and figure out where it is. And if we hear it from an atheist view, if we hear it from a Jewish view, Christian view, whatever, that's fine. But you're not afraid to just stand on what you truly believe. And that's one thing that I'm looking for when I'm trying to, you know, listen to somebody, I want someone that's going to stand for the truth. Yeah, you know, like, like I don't, I don't require people to change who they are for them to hold a conversation with me. So, I mean, I'll talk to people who are Satanists. I'll talk to people who are atheists, who are Buddhists, I don't care Muslim. I don't care what you believe. I'll hold a conversation with

you. And I'm not, and I'm not going to try cramming things down your throat. And I have theological reasons for that. But the same respect I give. to the people that come on my show, whether they're a Christian or not. Now, I know over the years, we've had a lot more Christians than anything else in the show. Believe me, I mean, like, Chip, you can attest to this. I didn't recruit you to come on the show. You reached out to me. If people find out that I'm a Christian and they feel comfortable talking and we talk, but the bottom line is, I don't require people to change who they are to hold a conversation with me. and I just ask that the audience and the person that I'm talking to

reciprocates that back to me where, you know, they don't require me to change who I am to hold a conversation with me because, I mean, after 300 plus episodes, I think the point is clear I'm not. I'm not going to change who I am. And I don't know. For me, it's just, why would you? You know, why would you?

Just be who you are? I mean, I'm talking to the person who's on the show or the audience, just be who you are, and I'm going to be who I am. And we're going to come to the table. We're going to hold conversations. Let the cards fall where they may. And hopefully we have a pleasant time talking. So that's kind of how I approach the show. It's how I approach everything. And I got nothing but love for people in general. I don't care who they are. And, you know, that's probably because that's what I'm supposed to do, you know, as a Christian. And so it is what it is. Anyways, I'm going to get off my soapbox. We're going to make a transition here. Now, we're going to transition to Josh. We're

going to bring Josh in for this overtime segment. Josh, you can unmute your mic right now before we roll out of this first segment. Josh, you are a police officer who has had plenty of experiences on and off duty. And that's what we're going to be getting into in this overtime segment. So if the audience wants, if they're members, they can kind of tune into this next section here. That will be available on the app right away. But I just want to thank you guys for joining me here on this first segment, man. I appreciate it. Appreciate it. I appreciate the offer to join up.

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first. I told him he can chime in any time he wants. But today on the overtime, we're focusing on Josh. Now, Chip had reached out to me and shared his experiences and we started the ball rolling with getting him scheduled. And then he had told me that he's a friend that he wanted to have join us and stuff, Josh. And Josh is a police officer. And he has a lot of different experiences with being a police officer and the paranormal, which is interesting. One, it's interesting in itself, but also with the fact that he's willing to talk about it. If anybody was listening to the first segment and they heard some kind of like cuts, that's because Chip said locations that they didn't want in because it would release the identity of Josh.

And for his career and stuff, we're doing that and protecting it. But yeah, we have Josh here. And I forgot to mention it in the first segment. But if you're listening to this now, you probably heard it. But I'm going to tell Josh now for the first time, I'm going to drop your information for people to check out and stuff as far as your new channel and things like that. but for the people listening now, Josh, can you let them know before we get into some of these stories

what you're starting up and stuff as far as, I don't know, would you call it content creation? Yes, it's more of a content creation, if you will. I was going to go into gaming online, but then the Lord's moved me into more of a ministry online. So it's going to be, right now it's just blocker ministries. And I'm going to be focusing more on, I guess, an area of deliverance and maybe healing.

as well as just proclaiming the gospel in regards to my grandfather wrote a book. And so he's got a plethora of sermons going back where he was exiled from Russia and all the other jazz. So there's a lot of good stories and it builds up the faith and builds up confidence to just Christian and proclaim the gospel. So that's kind of the platform. It's not actually all set in stone yet. So I'm kind of like moving around and see how it's going to fit. that's where I'm leading towards. Awesome, man.

So your grandfather was exiled from Russia. What's that about? So he wrote a book. He was a missionary, but he grew up in Russia. And then during the Russian Revolution, if you will, he was exiled. And then it was like, it was a terrific moment where they basically shipped on trains and shipped out to like Siberia. and it was a pretty extensive deal.

Long story short, he was a German background in Russia, but then they got kicked out of Russia during that time frame. He was also about 17 or so he was becoming a communist, if you will. And then he decided at that point that he really doesn't view the same viewpoints as a communist soldier, if you will. So then he went MIA and basically, is on the run from it. So it was kind of his story. So it's called Under the Red Star and Mark Azelius Hausman is his name. But that's kind of the premise of the book. And it's all the stuff

that he had been involved with and proclaiming the gospel. He died, sadly he died in his mid-40s from an aneurysm. But he had a powerful ministry up to that point. And so I just maybe take some of the sermons that he had and some of the stuff that he was involved with and maybe put it over the and maybe help someone down the road. That's cool, man. Yeah, like I just looked it up. It's on Amazon if anybody wants to check it out and stuff under the Red Star by Mark Hausman. So that's really cool, man.

That's really cool. I wasn't sure if it'd be on Amazon or not, but it is. That's cool. All right. So listen, let's get into your experiences here. And I'm not exactly sure how you want to go about it. I'm going to just kind of hand it over to you and let you kind of run with things and start sharing. you know, you kind of shared a little bit in the first hour with your experience there.

And I know there's more to it because we're going to be getting into, you know, some exorcism talk when you're on duty but even off duty. But feel free to take it in any direction you want to go, man. All right. I appreciate it. So bottom line, just to recap, I was saved at the age of five and then getting into my goal of life is to be a preacher, but the Lord stuck me in law enforcement. And so being in that realm, on the job as a Christian, it changed me in regards to the first 10 years of my career. You could have stuck me next to an unbeliever and I was almost identical. I had the mindset of almost cussed like a sailor when I was at work.

I didn't really do it at home, but it was at work. It was the same. So it was really convicting. And so crying out to the Lord in regards to just where do you want me to be, what do you want me to do. we had horses and we lived on a farm and I was out feeding them and coming into the house and as I'm coming in I'm praying out of the Lord where do you want me to be at what do you want me to do and uh it was an audible voice in my head it was very clear it sounded like if you will as the as the bible says that like many waters it was very firm and very solid and said Josh you're working for the wrong man

and so at that point in time I come into the house my my wife's in the kitchen and I'm like I think the Lord just talked to me, but I was kind of unclear on what he was trying to tell me. I told her what it was, basically that I'm working for the wrong man. At that point, I'm like crying out with the Lord, I'm like, if that was actually you and you talked to me about this, then you need to tell me what that means because I have no idea. And moments later, the same voice, very strong, very firm, said, Josh, you're working for yourself. And so it just hit me really hard at that moment that I'm at that point as a Christian and proclaiming the gospel, which I hadn't been doing at all.

And so I was really letting the Lord down. I was letting just the faith down in general. So from that perspective, I changed my viewpoint at work. So as a police officer, each and every call that I dispatched to, if you will, has been ordained before the foundations of the world. And so with that being said, it's my job to figure out what to say, how to say, and who to talk to, maybe just be silent and just be a present. So with that being in place, the last 12 years of my career has been very powerful.

With that mindset, going into different situations, you now have the host of heaven with you, and you have that authority. And so when you use that authority, the demonic realm recognizes it. They don't see you per se, because they don't really recognize you, but they see the host that's with you, the heavenly realm that's with you. And so with that being said, it's a very interesting experience to be on the job, especially in a role as a police officer, but as well being able to be equipped with the eyes to see that realm. And so some of the situations I was in, I'm giving an example of one.

It was on a basically there was an apartment complex. It was the same complex that Chip was talking about, actually. It was on a second floor. And there's a gentleman, and I won't bring in names or any, but there was a gentleman that was threatening to commit suicide. At that point in time, there was another officer that was on the scene on the second floor, and I arrive as a backup unit. And I walk up to the stairs, and he says, can you sit with this guy while I go down and grab some paperwork?

I said, sure, that's fine. So I sat with it. I basically stood in the room. As I walked into the room, I stood there in the living room. He's sitting on a couch that's up against the wall, and he's closest to the middle of the room on this couch. So as I walk in, he looks at me and he points at me. And he says, you need to leave and you need to leave now. And I looked at him and I'm like, well, last I looked at him, the police, I'm not going to just leave.

We just don't do that. And I said, I looked at him again and I was like, well, I'm not going to leave. And he goes, you need to leave now. And I'm like, well, we're not leaving. I'm sorry. And the Lord basically put in my mind that I wasn't speaking to him. And so that was my first event. And it kind of scared me at first because I'm thinking, well, if I'm not speaking to him,

than who am I talking to. And so it dawned on me that I was talking to more of a demonic being.