The Confessionals - 430: Chipped In My Chest

Episode Date: April 5, 2022

In Episode 430: Chipped In My Chest we are joined by Nick. He reached out to the show to talk about the paranormal experiences he had in life leading up to his incarceration. He has dealt with demonic entities, UFOs, and pulling a chip out of his chest. Then in the Overtime Nick shares about the amazingly supernatural experiences he had during his 7-month stay in jail that will leave the listener in shock and awe!Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/join Watch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/36z3B4s SPONSORSGET Surfshark: surfshark.deals/confessionals GET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tony GET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionals GET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!! Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.com Get Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5 CONNECT WITH US Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIA Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaI TikTok: @theconfessionals Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7h Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcast Tony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficial Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcas Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

Merkel Media Hey everyone Before we get into this week's show I just want to remind you I've been talking about it a lot but I am moving to Tennessee

this month in April which means that if there's an issue with the show if a show doesn't show up on time or if the audio if there's something wrong with the audio and it's not being fixed

that's why because I'm out of office I may not even have internet when I get to the new house right away so in order to fix the things may not be an actual option so just bear with me

have some patience I don't think there's going to be any issue or hiccups this month. But if there is a hiccup, that's why, because I'm moving to Tennessee, and I literally don't have internet to even fix it if I wanted to. So just some patience, just in case there's an issue, but I don't think there will be. Let's get to this week's show. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to

talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, Dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant. Well, the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears Dan holds him up like this.

Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Purson, got closer, got sparsing, when he got about... Feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and look over. there are two small gray entities pulling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch air.

Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yeah. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you're the crazy wild experience you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email.

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days ago. It has over 80,000 views right now. So it's been blowing up. I'm really excited about it. I just want to let everybody know, thank you very much for everybody who's gone and watch the documentary. It's very much appreciated. So moving in a lot. on from that now. We got Nick coming on the show today. And today is a three-part interview. So we have the first part right now. Then we got the overtime right after this available to members only. And then we're going to have Nick coming back on for the third installment on Thursday for the members episode. I sat down with Nick thinking it was going to be a one-hour interview and it turned out to be a lot more than that. He wasn't even expecting to share as much as he shared with me during

these three interviews. But today you're going to hear Nick talk about his experiences, paranormal experiences, leading up to jail. Yes, that's right. I said leading up to jail. Then he goes to jail and he talks in the overtime about going to jail, what he experienced in jail, which is absolutely astounding to me. I was blown away with what he was experiencing in jail and how that all turned out for him. And then he talks about for the members episode on Thursday about how when he got out of jail, him and his wife were homeless. And when they were homeless, they were invited to live at a church. and it turns out this church was extremely haunted, and it has a lot to do with the people who are running the church.

It was really bizarre. It's absolutely the most haunted church I've ever heard of. The things that were going on in that church left my jaw hitting the desk. So this conversation that I had with Nick progressed and it got better and better and better as it went on. Oh, and by the way, just let everybody know who is listening who aren't members and they have no plans on being members. Nick went to jail actually under false pretenses. So there's that. Anyways, he'll explain it all in the overtime.

Let's get to Nick in this conversation right now. All right. Today we got Nick on the show. Nick, what's going on, man? Hello? Good to hear your voice. Good to hear your voice, too, my friend. So, listen, actually, I think what I'm going to do is before we get going on this interview,

I'm just going to let the audience know that Nick has a friend in the background. So if by chance he does laugh or falls over off the chair or something, people know it's not a ghost, just giving people a heads up. So sounds good. right? Yep. All right, cool. So, Nick, you have a lot of experiences, man, and you and I have, we're supposed to be doing this interview multiple times, and we just discussed it and what we're going to probably want to do. Most likely is this going to be a three segment section, okay? So we're going to record a segment here, and then we're going to do an overtime, and then

the third one will probably be a member's episode. And actually, the members episode will include Nick's friend because they kind of went through a lot of the stuff together. But today we're going to start off an early life where you grew up in a haunted house and just to give people an idea of where we're going. We're talking doppelgangers, shadow men, portals, creatures, I guess, in the house. I mean, tons of different stuff. So with that said, Nick, I'm going to hand it over to you. Walk us into how this kind of stuff started happening in your life. You know, so, yeah, it was. Um, uh, well, it's actually out in, in, uh, the state of Oregon, first off. Um, so you know how there's a lot of stuff out, you know, happening in Oregon all the time.

No, I never heard that before. Oh, yeah. Of course. Yeah. So, yeah, I grew up in, uh, a little house in, uh, in Oregon and, uh, close to Mellhead. And, um, it was a very, uh, scary house growing up. Um, and I would consider it. haunted. So, just to give a little bit of background, my parents were kind of involved in cultic practices before I was born. They were involved in like, kind of like what I understood to be like, kind of like Alistair

Crowley type magic. I'm not exactly sure exactly what that means, but that's kind of kind of. what I remember. Well, I mean, to me, I mean, when I hear you say Alistair Crowley stuff, in my mind, that's, that's probably heavier stuff, I would think. It's very heavy, very heavy, very dark. And they, my mom is like, was really into it. And she really had a lot of really bad experiences.

So that came with her into the house with, with her. And my dad was kind of just. there he didn't really experience a whole lot of experiences but he was brought into the house they moved into the house with all that back uh back up so yeah so they uh before they moved to the house they became believers it became christians and uh that that was it you know so they moved into the house and i was born and my first story uh from there was uh i was a little a little kid and I don't remember this at all but they told me that my first story was I used to see a rabbit like a dead rabbit on the ground like a large dead rabbit very very large

like about four feet five feet long and I used to scream when I see it and I used to just you know bowl my eyes out and all stuff and one day my dad just walks in there he prays over the room, grabs the rabbit, rolls it up. He doesn't see it at all, but I see it. I see what's happening. He rolls the rabbit up into like a little, like a scroll or something like that and throws it on his shoulder and walks out. And I never see it ever again from that point on. So that's the very first experience. There was also moments where I would, you know, my, my dresser in my house was pretty scary as well I thought it was pretty scary. There was a lot of, you know, screaming from the dresser. The bottom drawer would slide out and the, the toy monsters in my bottom drawer would

scream and yell and I would sit there and listen to them and cry for my parents, you know, until they came and closed the dress drawer. There was also the main cupboard in the dresser, and the dresser cupboard would pop open and there was voices that would come out of the dresser cupboard and all that. This house had a lot of problems. And still to this day, my parents still live in the same house. And still to this day, there's a lot of problems in the house. And like you said, there was a lot of doppelgangers, a lot of portals.

And animals, ghost animals, animals coming back from the dead. And so, you know, so like the doppelgangers, I remember, you know, a few times I saw my dad walking by. And then he would, you know, like, say I was in the kitchen, whatever, and I was just looking, you know, talking to my parents or talking to my mom, whatever. And my dad would walk by behind her and go to the bathroom. And a few minutes later, my dad would walk by again in the exact same, you know, same way, same fashion, and go to the bathroom. And I was like absolutely shocked by that. You know, it was like, of course, you know, you're like, whoa, that just happened twice.

And it happened again, you know, happened another time with my sister. My sister, you know, I was in the living room with my mom talking with her. And my sister ran by running into her room to go play. And a little while later, she came running into the room from the direction she came from before, talking to us and was like, we just saw you going into your room. So, you know, so there was doppelganger action. Maybe not action is not the right word, but there was doppelgangers in there. You know, we, you know, also, we never had our scissors in the house.

The scissors would go missing all the time. and they still go missing to this day. So we have to continually buy scissors all the time. And one day, my sister was playing with a pair of scissors on her bed. You know, it's back in the 80s, so, you know, kids can play with scissors. And she was playing with their scissors and they drop on the floor and they disappeared through the floor in the other room. like they just in her room that you know she had and they just uh they disappeared through the floor and so we were like whoa you know we didn't think of anything about portals or nothing like that

back then but now looking back on i'm like that was a that was a total portal and a month later the scissors would show back up on her or on the the microwave of the house months later and that happened to you know earrings it happened to to to clothes, whatever. You know, it would just disappear. And,

but it was specifically that, that pair of scissors that I remember her dropping and it just disappeared right through the floor. And we got on the floor and we were looking around and seeing if we could find it. And there was nowhere around. And like a month later, they appeared on the microwave. So you,

you and your sister saw that. Correct. Yeah. And what, like, was this a time in your life and maybe, even hers that you guys had maybe experienced so much other stuff that it didn't catch you off guard? Did this like actually freak you out? Because I'm trying to envision what you saw.

And if I saw something that, especially as a kid, I think I'd be freaked out for real. Honestly, stuff happened every day. And I got used to, I got used to the paranormal. I got used to the experiences. It was just an everyday occurrence. And so it didn't really shock me as much. Okay. So, yeah. Yeah, I think a normal person would be, you know, a little terrified by that, but it was just a common everyday experience over there. And so they went through the floor and then they were just gone for a month.

And then a month later, they just appear on the, you just like you walk into the kitchen and it's on top of the microwave. Correct. Yep. Wow. All right. Before you keep going, where do you think they were for a month? month. Like, like the scissors. I mean, where'd they go? Oh, man. I have no idea. I would love to think there's like some sort of alternate universe. And I tend to think there is. There is. There is. Yeah. Yeah, there is. I mean, listen, I say it's so factual, but I really, really believe that there are parallel dimensions and there are things in those dimensions that exist. They're alive,

whether it's spiritually or physically, and they know we're here. And so I really do believe that. So when you said that, I'm like, yep, there is, because that's what I really believe. I'm intending to believe that more and more, you know, I'm just like, well, I have no idea where they went, you know, they just disappeared. And yeah, same of the earrings, you know, they would disappear and show up later on top of the microwave. So, yeah, yeah.

So, you know, that was that was. the small story of a portal in the house. Maybe not small, but it's, and it happened for years and years. And, yeah, so portals in the same house, we had like shadow men. There was a lot of shadows, a lot of, you know, like you could see like this like shadows in the other room,

like moving. And sometimes, you know, you could see like a tall man in the other room, uh, just walking by. And it was all shadow, really, really dark. Um, and the house just, the house was very oppressive overall. And it was, you know, my, my parents, it was the first house that was built in the neighborhood. My parents lived in the house from the beginning. So there was really no reason, you know, like back history of the house, you know, like this person died here or whatever. It was just, it was built for them pretty much. but it is on the Bartle Trail.

So I don't know if that that means anything. I think your parents doing Alistair-Crawley stuff means more. Yeah, I think so too. So, yeah, yeah. Let me ask you real quick here. You mentioned about Mount Hood. That's where the house was located around Mount Hood? Yeah, it's pretty close to Mount Hood.

So it's kind of like toward one of the gateway cities of Mount Hood. And Mount Hood is like really well known for Sasquatch, right? Correct. Okay. That's what I thought. I knew I, there's so many different mountains out there. I can't even keep them all, you know, I got one out here.

The Appalachian Mountain is just, that's it. And it's like a hill for you guys. You know, it's just kind of walk up that little guy. And so I, but Mount Hood and we were, you and I were talking before we, we started recording here. and we were talking about Wes from Sasquatch Chronicles,

do you know if that's the mountain that he had his experience on? Because I feel like it is, but I might be wrong. And he's my friend, and I don't even know. You know, my friend over here is telling me no. Okay. All right. Was it St. Helens? Yeah, St. Helens.

St. Helens? Okay. It just was a random question that maybe would be some useful information later if it was true. But apparently it's not. I apologize. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah, you're good.

It's a very beautiful mountain and it's, it looms on the horizon all the time. You know, just everywhere you look, it's, it's there. So it's, it's massive. It's beautiful. Okay. So your hills, your mountains do look like hills compared to it. Yeah. You're like, oh, it's so cute, little guy.

Yeah. So, yeah. So the house is, yeah, the house is just, you know, it's always been haunted. It's always been creepy. You know, like talking about the, you know, like the animals, there was ghost animals in the house. You know, like I had a cat that passed away. And I think it was a couple days afterward walking through the living room, the cat's sitting on top of the couch.

You know, dead. It's been dead for a while. So, you know, it was alive as anything else. But sitting on the couch. But, you know, I just walked by it, looked at it. looked at it, ignored it, and walked on. I didn't want to, you know, acknowledge it at all. But it was sitting there just staring at me,

following my path through the house, and then I never saw it ever again after that. So, I mean, at this point in the house, you've had enough experiences that you're recognizing this is like a ghost cat and stuff. I mean, you're not like thinking you're crazy or anything like that. No, I struggled with, yeah, I struggled with thinking I was crazy for a long time, but, you know, when other people experience it's like, okay, you know, this is pretty valid. But yeah, it's, it was so normal, such an everyday thing that, that you just don't pay attention to it after a while.

So, yeah, that's kind of, that's what that was. So, okay. So the animal, I'm trying to think of what else. The house was just, well, I have, I have in my notes here about these little creatures and the hands that grabbed the legs. Like, what is that whole thing with the hallway? Yeah. So the hallway, so the hallway, you know, led to the bathroom and to my mom's room. And my room was kind of connected off the hallway a little bit.

But you had to go around this corner to get to the bathroom. And the corner, there was a closet right there on the corner of the hallway. And I hated walking by that corner, that closet because this hand would come out and grab your legs. And, you know, I never really saw the hand, but you feel the hand. You would feel the hand. It was like ice cold. It would reach out. It would grab you. And, you know, it'd freak you out, of course. And it happened for, you know, for a couple decades. And after a while, you just kind of get used to it, you know, just kind of brush it off. But my sister experienced it. My older brother did. My mom did. We all experienced the hand. And I think it's been a couple decades since

I've experienced the hand coming out of the closet. But it was just, it was terrifying. And in that same closet at night, you know, my my room faced the closet off of the corner of the house. You know, it would kind of like my door would face the hallway and the closet would be there. And my sister's room was right next door to my my room and at night we had our doors you know just partially open so we can get a little bit of light coming in and um at night you could see these little little guys come out of the closet and they were uh definitely like they they look like what you would call an imp you know they were little black little creatures uh some of them looked like little pigs uh they had wings on they were really like

skinny, probably about a foot tall, all shapes and sizes. And they would just, you know, sometimes they would just sit and stare at you and, you know, I'd be laying in bed and looking at the closet and looking at them. And it was just like really, really creepy. And same with my sister. She experienced the same exact thing at the same time. So these creatures would come out of the closet? Correct. Yeah. And did you ever investigate to see how they're getting in there or? No, I was probably like six or six to eight somewhere in there.

There was no way I was going to investigate anything. Yeah. Well, all right, new question. As an adult, do you ever think about how they got in there? You know, I haven't until now. There wasn't any holes or anything in the floor. No, no. there was a I'm pretty sure they were demonic. I really don't see them as being anything, you know, like physical. They had a physical appearance like a, they're manifested physical, but I believe they were demonic. See how I did that? I asked you questions to give you a layup. I,

I had a feeling that's what you were, that you were thinking. I was just, I was going to let you say without me prying on it. No, you can priority point. Oh, man. And that's where I was kind of going with it because, you know, clearly, I mean, if this is happening often and they are physical creatures, then, you know, their mom and dad would notice like a hole in the floor where the imps are coming through, you know? Absolutely. I grew up in a, like a trashy trailer. Like, listen, when I, like, you're talking to somebody who was trailer trash growing up, like straight up. I mean, like, we, every definition of the term was, that was me.

And I, we lived in a trailer that was just falling apart, windows falling out, doors broken off because my crazy dog jumped through it 10 times, the holes in the ceiling. I would go up on the roof to patch it and stuff so that wouldn't leak anymore. It was like every winter I had to do that. Nice. But there was a time that possums came up through my floor because we had a big hole in it, you know? but we knew there was a hole on the floor. So like, like, you know, if the imps were physical creatures, you know, they, you would have noticed that there was at least evidence of something happening, you know, as a result of them being there.

But, yeah, that's, we talked about imps. I mean, every once in a while, we talk about imps on the show. But there was, I believe it was episode 50. I had my actually, actually my one friend from college on the show, Phil, and he's going to be coming back on again. here in the future. But he talked about the emps and stuff. And back then, I didn't really think about things the way I think about them now. And so I'm almost certain that when we were talking about it, the whole time I'm thinking physical creature, whereas now I hear stories like what you just shared. And I'm like, that seems more on a, let's just call it a spiritual level than anything.

You said demonic and stuff. I think that there, I think the spiritual realms way more complex and what we maybe can contemplate, you know? So, interesting stuff. Anyways, I don't want to hijack this show. Go ahead. No, you're good. It's, yeah, I'm glad you specified that. And yeah, so, yeah, they were definitely spiritual.

And I only say demonic because the fear that was, that I experienced with it, I had a sense of fear. So to me, that was more demonic than, you know. Yeah. You know, the not. So, so yeah, I mean, there, there was that, you know, the little imps, you know, we talked about the doppelgangers, the portals, the, you know, my cat coming back from the dead for a while. You know, there was a, and my sister experienced like a man pressing out of the wall in her bedroom at night, looking down at her, you know, while she was sleeping. she remembers that. My brother had hands come over the sides of his bed to grab him at night.

He actually had a name for it. I don't know if I want to say the name on. If you don't mind saying it, I don't mind you saying it. Okay. Well, that changes things. Well, yeah, so my brother had experiences of these hands coming through his bed and over his bed grabbing at him at night for like a long time. They were sometimes just sitting there on the edge of his bed. And he gave it the name of, of,

onus. And I think it was like years later, that he was reading, I think the fairy queen, I think it was, the classic. And inside there was this witch that gets her hands cut off. And her name was onus.

If her, I remember correctly. So I thought that was an interesting tie there, but yeah. So that's, that's the name of the spirit that would visit him. Okay, let's take a second and talk about our first sponsor today, which is Cerebral. We've talked about it before. Cerebral is an online mental health service that offers prescription medication, counseling, and therapy for anxiety, depression, ADHD, insomnia, and more. Friends, this is a very good service to be involved. with if you are somebody who seeks counseling, but also if you're on medications, because they are one of the few services that provide prescription medications online through a license provider

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I think it just, you know, he just knew the name of it. It's interesting. Yeah. And I can vouch for that. There's a couple of spirits that I've experienced later on in life that I just knew the name of it. Almost like they told me the name. So, yeah, I can vouch for him just knowing that. Yeah.

And that's not a foreign concept. Obviously, you guys listen to the show. You know, that's a, that's something that, you know, I don't understand how it works, but it's something that I've heard enough to understand that it does happen. It just kind of like, it's not like something spoken to you, just kind of almost like it came to you, but it probably came to you because whatever it is wanted it to come to you kind of thing. It's, it's kind of weird. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, we had, we had a few trinkets in the house we found later on, you know, you know as I was an adult little like Indian trinkets and and there was a couple of little

Buddhist statues that we got rid of out of the house we have no idea who put them in the house they were just there and the Indian trinket we burned in the fireplace and like blue flames and green flames came out of it and it was actually made a fur and the fur never really, the fur actually took a long time to burn. It just wouldn't burn at first. And then we had a prey and then the fur burned. And it was gone from that point on. The little Buddhist statues, kind of the same thing. They were in the house. Nobody, nobody's a Buddhist in the house and they were just there. And so we burned the Buddhist statues as well. And they wouldn't burn it first either. So, and eventually they did. So, um, I'm trying to think of anything else about the house.

Yeah, I can't think of anything else about the house. So, so, uh, before we move off the house, uh, your parents, the history with your parents, uh, they were dabbling in a cult, uh, the occult, uh, before you guys were born, right? Correct. Yeah. And they, what, at what point did they become Christians? I know you said that. So probably the late 70s, I think it was. Okay. And so when did you guys get this house? In the late 70s. So right around the time that they turn away from the occult and towards Christianity is when

you guys move into this house. Correct. Yeah. Were you already born? I was not born at the time, no. Were any of your siblings? things? My older brother. Yep. So your older brother then was born and living with mom and dad while they were doing occultic things? I don't know about him, but I know my older sister, she was alive during that time period. Okay, so you have a sister that's older than your older brother. Correct. But was she not living in the house? Was she old enough to not live there or what? I believe she lived in the house for a little while. I don't. I never really talked to her about all this stuff, to be honest. Okay. So you said that basically because you never talked to her about it, but I guess your older brother you have? Yeah. Okay. Gotcha.

Interesting. It makes me wonder, you know, I'm not an expert or anything on any of this stuff, but it just, you know, makes me feel like could there have been some kind of attachment? through your parents' actions to your older brother that kept things around. And I don't know. I mean, have you ever talked to your parents about this stuff? Yeah, I just recently did. And what's funny is that I actually had a ton of notes written out on like three pages, like three pages of notes on my parents' story. And I just moved with this last week and I lost all the notes. And no way. Right, right before. this interview and I lost pretty much all the notes I had, all the little sticky notes and everything that I was going to, you know, share.

Wow. You know what? Like, like maybe your parents, like, would they ever want to talk to me about what life was like before their life in Christ? You know, I'm sure they would. I actually asked them to that and they said they would be happy to talk with you. Okay. Well, I mean, maybe we can arrange that sometime because, you know, I, I, I, I,

I think it would be interesting to hear it from them. Yeah. Yeah, my mom's got some really, really scary stories. So. I'm sure. I'm sure. You know, Alster Crowley stuff is not the,

the T-ball league. So. No, it isn't. Yeah. Well, they did play with a Nauija board. And I do know this,

that they, back in the day, they played with a Nauigi board. And the Ouija board was asking for their first, born son, which is my older brother. And once I started asking that, my dad got scared of it and took it out, burned it. Actually, I think he, yeah, no, he took it out and burned it and like 12-foot flames came out of it and screaming and yelling and all that stuff. But yeah, so, I mean, that might be a tie-in right there for.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, so that's the thing. I mean, and this isn't a knock on your parents at all, and I hope it doesn't come across this way. And if they listen, I'm just saying up front, it's not. But, you know, if they were dabbling in that stuff and then they become Christians, I don't know how, do you know how old your brother was when they became Christians? I don't. Okay.

So because mom and dad are Christians doesn't make your older brother a Christian, we can all agree on that. I'm assuming. We didn't say this before, but you and your friend here are in theological school, so we can agree on this. So it's a very personal thing. And so just because mom and dad become Christians doesn't mean your older brother was a Christian at that time. Now, granted, I do believe that there's a certain age that there's a, I guess, maybe a grace covering. Like, listen, I don't think a one-year-old can make that kind of a decision.

They don't even understand anything. but if if if your older brother wasn't a Christian let's put this way boil down simple terms if he wasn't a Christian then maybe there was an attachment that that got a hold of him and kind of went into this house because it couldn't hold on to your parents I don't know I'm just saying now there's a lot of people out there that that would hear that that would say just because you're a Christian doesn't mean you can't have attachments and I absolutely 100% agree with you and then there's other people who say that just because you're a Christian, you can't be demonically possessed. That's where I don't necessarily agree.

I don't want to say I disagree. I just don't know enough, but my gut says I disagree. Yeah. I'm kind of, I think that a Christian can be harassed really, really bad. Big time, big time. Yeah. And even more so than. You're supposed to be.

Correct. Yeah, it's war. It's a battle. Right. So there has to be more, you know, there must be more of a battle. So yeah, I agree that, you know, Christians, you know, can be definitely harassed. Do I think they can be possessed? No, I don't because I think they're possessed by the Holy Spirit. And, but I think they can be harassed from the outside. And I believe that's what my parents experienced.

And so when they were living at the house and they experienced these things after becoming Christians, I believe that explains that to me. Yeah. My older brother, you know, he became a believer, a Christian, and he still experienced the hands, you know, as an adult a few times. So, yeah, I mean, that's kind of what I think, too. So it's just that the Christian can be harassed pretty bad. So. Yeah. And we've talked about this before on the show over the years.

We've talked about it several times, I'm sure. But, you know, just along the lines of the Christian theology, forget about what all the other religions say about whatever. It makes sense that you should be a target once you choose. sides. So, you know, it makes sense to me. Now, with the house, I think, I just think that, I think we can all agree that there's probably a strong possibility that a lot of this stuff stemmed from just actions of mom and dad before Christ. And then, because I mean, listen, that, like, I don't think that there's a whole lot of people, I think the majority of people in this world probably never dabbled in the occult and

Alistair Crowley, right? So. Yeah, not a lot of people. Yeah. So, I mean, like, when, when somebody like them goes a one eight, does a 180 goes the opposite direction, I imagine that there's probably more things that could pop up in their personal lives because of what they came from, you know, like, whether, whether you want to say it's, you know, the demonic influences are trying

desperately to get them to switch back to their team or they're just mad. and they're like, okay, let's go. You know, so. That's exactly what I think, too. Just so. Yeah, and I think that's why my sister and I, you know, both of my sisters, I'm, you know, I think my oldest sister experience, she's actually got some pretty strange experiences, but I don't really talk to her a lot about them.

But I think that's why my siblings and I experienced things was because of my parents dabbling into the dark arts, I guess you could say. Have you ever told your parents that? I recently did, yeah. What'd they say? It's a, honestly, it made my mom sad. So, yeah. Yeah, she, I think she cried about it for a while.

You know, when you do things in the past, then it affects things in the future. it's, you know, it's, you know, it's, it's hard. Yeah, dude, totally get it. And that's why I asked because I, I imagine there was probably an emotional reaction in that sense. Even if, even if they didn't agree with you, the fact that you feel that way would probably, like, dude, it's, that's their kid. Do you have kids? I do, yeah.

Okay. So, I mean, put yourself in those shoes, right? I mean, like, like, I, I, I step sideways all the time. as a parent. And I'm just new at it, like four-year-old and a one-year-old. But I say, or I'll say something to my son, he'll catch me in the wrong moment and stuff, and I'll snap at him. And it kills me. When I, when I stop and I think about what I, what I just said, and he walked away with his head down crime because I overreacted to him because I was already focused on, I was focused on an email that I just got of somebody hating on me. So I'm already mad. And it's just like,

you know, it kills me. So I just can't imagine what it would feel like on a, on a It's such a bigger level, really, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was a recent conversation I had with them that, you know, I, we just had a, I think it was like a two or three hours sit down and we just kind of talked about what happened in the family and the past. So, and I will ask them if they want to be on the show and talk to you about some of their experiences because it's, it's been, they have some really dark, dark stuff.

Well, I would, I would definitely be interested in that. and, you know, talk to them, let me know. But let's move along here a little bit. And what I want to say here is this. Before we move to life got crazier after marriage, I want to say that just judging by what I see on my notes here, this stuff followed you throughout your life. Now, whether it's from or the origin story is mom and dad, you know, messed up and it kind of curse the whole family,

uh, or, or you're a Christian and you're being targeted. All there, there's so many different things you can go down as far as philosophy. It, it really does seem like this is something that, uh,

it, it, it's far beyond the house as a kid. And, um, and what we're going to cover in the third segment, uh, is that you did wind up getting arrested,

put in jail. And there's a whole thing behind that. that affects you on a deep level. You said earlier to me that you have a little PTSD. If you want me to take that out, just let me know I'll take it out. I didn't think about that before I said it. No, you're good. Okay.

Yeah, I struggle with talking because of the PTSD and, you know, just the stutters. So. I think you're doing fine, man. Thank you. But these are things that, like, some of this, like, there's so much here. And, like, the jail thing, especially, it's like real life. situation scenario, but it was brought on because of a, let's just call it a spiritual attack. And it's just like, there's just a lot here. And I just kind of wanted to say that before we

get into this next part of your life, because I just, I don't want people, maybe I don't want to say it either way, but I just want people to try to consume your story without trying to confine it to this happened as a kid in the house and that's why this happened. I think there's a lot more to it. So go ahead. Yeah. So yeah, we, so eventually I got married. My beautiful wife, we've been married for 16 years now, almost 16 years. And when we got married, she came with her own experiences. She had a long time, you know, a life of, of experience. experiences herself. And I don't think we knew this until after we got married, but she, uh, she was, she's one of, I believe it, but it's like 40 siblings. She is the only biological

daughter. What? Yeah. What? How's that possible? The rest of them were a foster kids. So they all Oh. Yeah, so she has a lot of siblings. And it's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. And we, that's funny. Everybody reacts the same way. They're like, what?

That's crazy. Yeah, it goes from, oh, my gosh, there's got to be a crazy story here to, oh, that's respectable because, you know, if it's foster care, it means that, you know, there's a good situation going on. It wasn't like dad just couldn't stop. You know what I mean? That's where my mind went. I was like, holy crap.

Your poor mom. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So the, yeah, so when we got, when we got married, she had two little girls in the house. I think there actually, there might have been four, four little girls, but two of them were siblings themselves. And they were on the way of getting adopted. They were both highly, highly abused. And, you know, thank goodness they were in my mother-in-law's house.

She provided a safe spot for them. But they came with a lot of dark, you know, a lot of abuse in their past. And one of the little girls, and especially saw spirits quite often. And she was the younger one. The older one was kind of the same. She saw spirits, but not as much as the younger one. There was one specific spirit that I would also say it's demonic, just for the fear factor of it. But they just knew the name of Peekaboo.

And I'm having a hard time saying name just because I'm sitting here like shaking saying the name because I've had a history with this same spirit. a little bit later on. Peekaboo was a little girl and with kind of like, I think the way they explained it was she looked like the girl from the ring, but she had like sharp teeth. And she would play little games now. She would peek around corners and hide and all that stuff. And so that was the,

you know, some of the focus of when, we got married, my wife and I, you know, so we had a little house to ourselves for a little while. And then I lost my job and we had to move in with her mother-in-law. It's, you know, in the city of Portland. And when we moved there, this is kind of what we experienced was these two little girls were there. And they would always talk about this spirit named Peekaboo. And at the time, I used to like going outside and see. smoking. And when I was out, you know, smoking in the backyard, uh, late at night, I would see

peekaboo walk around in the, in the garden area, the far, you know, the back of the, the, the property, just pacing back and forth looking at me. And, um, I would just kind of ignore, you know, um, but every once in a while, peekaboo would, uh, attack my sister and sisters in My, you know, my, the, sorry, the sister's in law and my wife. And even though I could not see peek-a-boo at all times, I was, I saw, you know, I could tell they were being attacked. And at this point, at one point, I decided to exercise one of her sisters, probably not the best. best thing to do, but it actually ended up being well. So I, her sister was just constantly attacked.

And so one night. And so I just went in there into her room. And she was on the bed and I, I laid down on the bed with her and I prayed. And I cast the spirit away from her. And as I was cast the spirit out, she heard in her ear this yelling of like, no, no, no. You know, and she could hear her the voice just trailing off like it's being dragged off. And the room got like super, super intense. Like there was just like this vibration in the room. This like the energy was so thick.

And I got scared because of the energy in the room. Even though I could not hear her hear the voice, I knew that something was going on. And my sister-in-law was just covering her ears and trying not to hear peekaboo screaming. And I was. what we believe was Peekaboo. And so, and after that,

my sister-in-law has never seen the spirit ever again. But the older sister did once in a while. So that was hard to talk about. Sorry. That's fine. I'm breathing real hard here. So if you catch your breath

while I ask you more in-depth, detailed questions about Pikabu. Yes. All right. So get your breath because I'm going to have to ask you about this. Did you actually see peekaboo yourself? I only did when I was smoking out in the backyard. Smoking weed?

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You saw in the backyard. What you saw were you by yourself in that moment? Yes, it was. What you saw, did that match the description and what others said they saw? Yes. Okay. In that moment, what did you say?

It looked like a little girl in a white dress. Okay. And so in that moment, you recognize it as peekaboo then. You knew what it was. Yes. And I just, like, you know, I was telling about my brother with Eunice. You just kind of know the name. You're like, oh, that's peekaboo.

What did you think and do at that moment? Because that sounds terrifying. If peekaboo looks like the girl from the ring, first of all, girl from the ring freaks me out. Okay? That's like, like, I don't watch scary movies because I got to do this show, you know? but people ask me, did you ever see the grudge or whatever it is? I'm like, no, because I saw the ring when I was younger and it looks exactly the same,

not interested, you know? But now we're talking about the ring girl with like fangs. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Well, honestly, I wasn't too afraid. I don't know if that's just because, you know, I don't know that's just because, you know, that's just because, you know, there's nothing to worry about. or just because I'm so used to experiencing the paranormal at my parents' house at that point.

It was just another like, oh, okay, well, this, you know, it's, it is frightening, but it's not as frightening as, as you think it would be. I hear you. I hear you. Okay. Totally get it. You know, like you and I probably would use very similar spiritual weapons in these kind of moments, right? but it would it would it would it would freak me out okay just just being honest so uh yeah it would freak me out yep that's about it so uh once you did that though and you were praying no more issues ever again no not not for her she she's never told me anything else that's ever she's ever experienced i mean she had some other spirits that she saw and she never saw this other spirits either Okay. Well, it's a good, happy ending. Yeah, it was good.

I don't know if it was the wisest thing to do, but, you know, it's just running there and perform an exorcism. But, you know, it's not the only time I've done that. I've done that with a, you know, a few other people. So, but yeah, that's kind of what happened there at the house. And there was actually a couple times where we had to leave the house because, peekaboo was bothering them so much that we had to just escape and go driving around for a little bit and then come back. Like what do you mean by bothering, though?

Just being a pest or like something more sinister? Yeah, just bothering them. They're just peeking around corners, scaring them, just things like that. Okay. I just had this thought that, you know what? I'm not even going to say it out loud. I don't want to go there. All right. Carry on, my friend.

Okay. Yeah. So I believe that's, I believe that's everything that happened at that house. And, and I, you know, I'll be honest. My timeline is all shattered because of the PTSD. I just, everything's all over the place. And so I'm doing everything by places chronologically. So it's really hard to keep things straight in my mind.

But yeah. So that's, that's kind of what happened there. Oh, they did, they did call. a ghost hunter group to come out. And they did an investigation for one night at their house. And they actually had recordings of a little girl asking to play with one of my sisters-in-law. And yeah, I was saying things like, can I play with da-da-da, you know, the girl's name.

So yeah, that was, that's pretty creepy. And I guess it caught motion in the cameras and all that kind of stuff. So nice and comforting. You know, honestly, oddly it was. I know. I know. Because you know you're not crazy. Yeah.

That's why I said that. Yeah. Yeah. It was like, oh, okay, there is something going on here. Yeah. Yeah. And my sister-in-law was just happy that they discovered something because she knew at that that point that she was not crazy, like you said.

So. Yeah. And so from that point on, my wife and I, we moved to another small city between Portland and Mount Hood. And we moved into like a basement apartment. And the, as we were there, you know, there was a lot of other stuff. I mean, UFOs, well, a UFO. I saw a UFO flying by overhead one night.

Actually, not overhead, but right down the middle of the street. And kind of went on side. I was, we got back from the theater. And we were sitting out back just talking about the movie. And all of a sudden this big little. UFO came flying down the street on its side and you can see the street lights reflecting off of it and it was silver not not super reflective but um kind of like a translucent look to it or a mat finish or whatever you call it and just kind of flew in be flew between the houses and I got scared

you know, of course. I was like, oh, no, you know, it's, you know, not my first UFO experience. My first one was as a child at my old house, actually the first house I talked about. It was just kind of flying by overhead. Nothing too, you know, spectacular about that. Just seeing a disc flying overhead. Just a walk in my life as Nick. Nothing too spectacular.

Oh, that's just a UFO. It's just a UFO. I'm going to go back to doing what I was doing. You should see what. happened to me last week. So, yeah, so, you know, this, so this one that I saw as an adult just kind of flew by. And I got scared. And my wife didn't see it, but I saw it.

And I grabbed her and we ran inside back into our basement apartment. And we just kind of went to, you know, we spent the rest of the night there inside and eventually fell asleep. And, you know, I had a hard time sleeping the night, whatever. Two weeks later, I have a bump on my chest right in the center of my chest. And I keep on, I kept pressing into it and kind of like, it's really, it really, really hurts, you know, like it felt hard. And it was just really painful. And as time went on, the bump rose and became, I'm sorry to be graphic, but kind of pussy and, you know,

just, you know, just fill the fluid and all that stuff. And so I decided to cut into my own chest. I pulled out a box knife and I wanted to relieve some of the pressure from the fluid that was built up in there. And as I was doing that, I cut into my chest, there was a chip that came popping out. The chip was the size of a dime. It was square and had coils inside of it. it looked like it was coils pressed into glass. And I pulled it out.

And of course, I'm like, what the heck? You know, it scared me. And so I put it on the bathroom counter. And, you know, there's blood all over the sink and all that stuff. I put the chip on the, you know, the counter. And I called my wife and I told her what happened. And she got scared and she wanted me to come pick her up from work. And so I got on the car, drove off, picked her up, came back and the chip was gone.

But the blood was still there. Where did you put the chip? On the kitchen counter, not the kitchen counter, bathroom counter. And it was gone when I came back. And so I have no idea what happened to the chip at all. I think I would love to have saved that thing. I'm assuming you would have said by now if you took a picture of it, right? Oh, I did not take a picture of it.

Figures. Okay. Yeah. Yep. And, oh, by the way, I did send you a bunch of pictures. Yeah, I got them. Okay. Cool.

And so, yeah, so that was that. that was really hard to accept that because, you know, I was still thinking that, you know, for me, I'm not really sure what I think about UFOs sometimes, you know, or aliens, whatever. I tend to think they're spiritual. I don't tend to think they're as physical as they manifest themselves physical. I guess you could put it. Interdimensional. I would say that, yeah.

So I don't know if the chip. went into another dimension or whatever, but it just disappeared. And that was that. So I called Mufon. Mufon came out. And they did an investigation and said I had a close encounter the first kind. And because the UFO I saw was less than 500 feet away from me. So, yeah.

So that was that experience. Okay. Go ahead. You're not moving away from this yet, are you? Or are you? I could. No, I'm not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Okay. All right. So, what does your wife say about this? What does my wife say about it? Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm assuming you told her you pulled a microtrip out of your body and you were abducted by aliens or something. Yes. Yeah.

I actually have a hard time I believe in I was abducted by aliens, but it's not the first time that I've, kind of experienced that. It just kind of happened the next couple years. Do you think it's tied to the paranormal experiences that you've been describing? Do you think that? I do. I do. I believe everything is tied in together. I get the sense too. I get that sense too. The more I hear people's stories, especially people like you who have complex stories and lives. You know, like it's not like, hey, let me tell you about this one crazy night I had in my life. It's like, let me tell you about the many crazy nights I've had throughout my life. And yeah, yeah, exactly. And I get to, I just, over time, I get to sense that more and more,

that a lot of this stuff is connected. I don't think that it's always all connected. But I do get the sense, like, with people like you. And so, do you think that whatever this experience was is maybe a foundational piece to the other experiences? Or do you think that this is a result of some other experiences that you've had? If that makes sense. Like, like, so if, if, I know you said you have a hard time saying you were abducted, that's fine. But whatever caused a chip, a physical chip to be under your skin, whatever that was that caused that, do you think that is a foundational thing that all this other stuff launches off of? Or do you think that that whole situation is a result of something else going on in your life

that stems all this paranormal stuff? I don't know if that makes sense. I'm trying to... Yeah, I don't think it's foundational. I do think it's really, I think it's all kind of tied in together. I don't think the UFO experience is any different than, like, the portals or the doppelgangers or the ghosts or the, I think they're all, sometimes I tend to think they're all one and the same. Okay. The chip, that's an awfully big chip, the size of a dime, right?

Yeah, yeah. Like, that's, that's, that's sizable. I, when I think of chips in people's bodies and stuff, I'm thinking like, you know, something that easily fits on the tip of your pinky, you know? And even that stuff, I mean, gets rejected because the human body tends to reject these things. Yeah. It's obviously happening to you. Yes.

Yes. Have you thought about why you had a chip on you? What it was? What was the purpose of it? I mean, it's a clearly physical, mechanical, thing that was in your body that you didn't put there. Do you ever contemplate why that is?

I have. I, you know, I've even asked my parents, you know, if they have had experiences or you know, my dad he had one experience, if I remember correctly. I don't remember

the details of it. But I think I didn't, I don't want to say it. I don't want to say that they're they put it in me to keep track of me, but that's kind of what it feels like. And if it is spiritual, then, then I have no idea. You know, I'm like, I don't know why that was in me. You know, I have contemplated it. I don't know what to think about it. Gotcha. Well, I'm not going to tell you what to think about it because I don't freaking know what to think about this stuff. You know,

I'm just receiving the stories, entertaining conversation and letting, letting, letting the tens of thousands of people that you're going to listen to your story judge you. I'm not. All right. Well, okay, so you had a chip in your body. So what happened on Tuesday? What happened on Tuesday? I'm just being sarcastic. Like, it's like every, it's like, I was like, what happened on Tuesday? Man, well, let me tell you. Start out with a good, hard-boiled egg. Yeah. And the funny thing is I don't remember missing time. I don't remember seeing any little gray guys or anything like that. I don't remember. anything. I just remember seeing the UFO going to bed and two weeks later, you know, waking up with a

painful chest and then, you know, so I still have the scar on my chest. Um, you know, so, so yeah, this is a really strange experience. Yeah, definitely sounds like it. So, you know, also the same place, uh, the basement apartment. Um, we had one, uh, uh, spiritual experience. Like, I'm not sure what to think of it, like either a ghost or demonic or something like that. I had a dog with us, my wife and I, we had a dog. And at one point, the house got, the apartment got so intense in there. And I remember the room just, you know, like, there's like this energy, you know, you feel before experiencing this.

Or sometimes during or even afterward, but there was just like this buildup of energy. And if I remember correctly, I heard get out. And so I got scared. I remember running outside and talking on the phone with a church mentor. And as I was talking on the phone about this whole voice and this feeling in the house, the dog gets booted out of the house, like literally skids across the ground because whatever was inside the house, the apartment, kicked the dog out. And that was it there. You know, that was my last experience at that apartment.

And so from there, my wife and I, we moved into an apartment and we decided to go, started to do, oh, no, let me back up. That is not the only experience. Sorry, there's been so much stuff that I can't place it all into a timeline. At that time, my wife and I, we visited my parents' house, and my wife had CDs from a shelf thrown at her at the old house that I first talked about and hit her all stuff and eventually drew blood. Like the, I think it threw the CDs again and it drew blood this time on my wife's chest. It bruised her so bad. And, and I got, I got kind of angry at, you know, the invisible, you know, whatever. You can't, you know, see it, of course.

But, you know, it's like, I got mad. And I was like, okay, now it's time to exercise the house. It's time to exercise. you know, to call an exorcist. And so I called this guy, the same church mentor I was talking about, and called him and asked if he would do an exorcism because that's what he used to do. He was a missionary. And he is, you know, he's also a student at the same school that my friend and I attend right now.

And, you know, he learned exorcism. and all you know they called deliverance one of the same thing exorcism and deliverance and so i asked him and he said he would like to meet with me and so we met and from there started a four-year uh exorcism that i went through um not particularly the house but about but exercising me um i don't believe i was possessed but i do believe that i was harassed And it took four years to get the harassing spirits away from me. So just to make a difference, just to make the point across that I don't believe I was possessed at all, but I was able to, you know, be harassed by these spirits, enough where they were controlling my life and harming my family.

and doing damage to life in general. So my mentor took notes. He actually has notes of the whole exorcism somewhere. I don't know where he lives at the moment. I don't know what he wrote down. I know it was just page after page after page. Thousands and thousands of spirits, demons. And I met with him two hours a week for,

four years. And it was probably one of the craziest times I've had and probably one of the most blessed times I had. As a Christian, I had a great time getting to know God better through that whole process of exorcism and deliverance. Because he became real for me at that point. He became the warrior. He became the aggressor. and booted out what was harassing me.

And so through the process of exorcism, we got the names of spirits, the spirits harassing me. A lot of them were ancestral. A lot of them were brought about by the sins that I committed in my life. For example, I had a spirit of pornography. about me because I used to look at pornography. That's an actual spirit, pornea?

Correct. Huh. Okay. And I didn't know the name. I didn't know Greek at the time. But that's actually the name for, that's an actual term. That's actually Greek. For like lust and pornography and all that stuff.

So, yeah. So I strongly. with pornography for a long time and that was just one of the spirits that was attached to me. Another one that we kicked off was Ketal Kowato. And funny enough, it was a hereditary spirit. And years afterward, I found out, oh, I have that, I have like, you know, Aztec genes in me, you know? so I thought that was pretty interesting. But Ketakawadal had bail attached to me.

You had bail, B-A-L-L, or I mean, that's ball, B-A-A-L? Correct, yeah. Okay. I'm trying to think of some of the other names. Atlas was one of them. And just, there was just a bunch of, a lot of them had vile names, a lot of cussing, a lot of just, you know, and every time the extras asked, what were they there for, they were there to destroy my life. Each one answered that.

Now, it wasn't a process. It wasn't like out loud. Sometimes, you know, most of the time the demons or spirits would, I don't know, explain. This is really hard to explain. It wasn't verbal, but it was in, like, they gave me the information through my mind, if I could put that out there. I don't know if that makes sense. Yeah, like telepathically. Yeah. So, like, you know, the, the mentor, the exorcist, whatever, he would ask the spirit and the spirit would talk to my mind. He didn't allow the spirits or the demons to speak verbally.

And when they did, they were, like, just gone. He didn't, he didn't allow it at all. But he allowed them to talk to my mind. And that way I can translate what they're saying to him. And I think it was more of a protection and for himself and for myself. And I don't know, explain that. That's just, that's really hard to explain. And yeah, so that's kind of what happened.

And there was a lot of visuals I had. a lot of out-of-body experiences at that point. You know, I saw like this spirit at one point that came out of me that looked like a big black cloth flying through the air. And it just kind of shot out of the room and, you know, down the street. The walls were banging. Nothing like Hollywood. It was definitely not Hollywood. but not like The Exorcist or anything like that.

It was actually very quiet for the most part. And during the whole process, I, you know, I listened to worship music. Keith Green, to be exact, you know, just good, good music. And so there was just, you know, so the whole process was, there was like a hierarchy. You had to cut out the hierarchy. And once you cut out the hierarchy, then you conquer that whole mountain, whatever, of of spirits and you just knock them out and they're done.

And during that process of exorcism, we got close to being done and we could tell we're done because there was not a lot coming forward and it was just getting quiet and there's a lot of peace and a lot of

solitude that I had. I don't know how to explain that. Just a lot of peace and I could hear the Holy Spirit and me speaking clearer than ever before. And it was more like a four-year confession of all the things I've done. And it was just nice to get it all off my chest. And during that process, you know, I felt really bad about my older, you know,

sister-in-law who still kept seeing peek-a-boo. And so I decided to from my mentor's house exercise my, my sister-in-law at her place. And because of like authority issues, I was able to do that. I don't know, explain that, like the authority of, like the spiritual authority of the house. And so I was able to exercise her from a distance.

And when I did, I wanted to get rid of peek-a-boo from her life. And so I started praying, we started praying to, you know, to exercise peekaboo from my older sister-in-law's life. And the spirit, peekaboo came zipping up right out of nowhere and like got right in my face. And it was just beyond, beyond angry at me. And I did see her then. And we exercised her. We got rid of her.

And my older, and my, the older sister-in-law never saw her ever again after that. So there you go. That's the, that's the, uh, the exorcism experience. Man. Four years of that. So that was, uh, very tiring. I remember that, but very, very good. It sounds draining.

Uh, I'm also sitting here thinking about the, uh, consistency. see, the persistence and consistency that would take to do that for four years. Did you ever come across a period of time where you just was like, I don't want to do this again. I'm just done. Yeah, yeah, there was moments, but, you know, I think it's like work. When you don't want to go to work, you keep working. You know, your feet just push you along. Your body pushes you along and you just keep doing what you need to do.

So that's kind of how I treated it, even though I myself might not want to do. and just my body pushed me to do it. So I showed up every week. And plus, I just, I really liked my mentor. I said he was a really good dude. And it was such a spiritual blessing to be there. It was almost like a worship service. I don't know how to explain that.

Like, because you're there to meet God in the process of deliverance. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. All right. So we're at this point now. And is this the point where we cross into the jail time? We could. Yeah. Yep. Okay. So what we'll do is I want you to share this experience of, you know, I guess how you wound up in jail for seven months. And then on the next. segment we'll get into life after jail with your wife when you guys moved into that small church. Okay. Yeah, I can definitely do that. And as I was in jail, I had a lot of experiences too.

We'll cover that in the next segment. Okay. Sounds good. So what landed me, what landed me in jail? My wife and I decided to do foster care. And we moved into an apartment and we decided to do foster care. And we had, I think, a total of, I think it was nine kids in one year under the age of three. And not that that matters, you know, whatever. But we took care of foster kids. And at one point, I had a dream, I think it was about a year into foster care that I had a dream. and in the dream this demon showed up and it was had uh if it came to my you know came right before me and it started poking my chest and it started you know beating my chest and poking it and

and with like really sharp claws and it was saying i got you i got you and i was like what the heck is you know what do you mean you know and i and i woke up and i had you know, poke marks on my chest that were bleeding. You know, it drew blood in my, you know, in my sleep. And I got worried. And, and so I, yeah, I, so the next morning, I got a phone call from a lawyer saying that the police were coming out to arrest me. And, and I, and I said, you know,

I was kind of, you know, I was like, what the, you know, what is going on, you know? And so I get arrested and for a crime I've never committed or, I don't know, explain that. Like, yeah, I just got arrested for, I'm struggling through this, man, this is hard. I understand. Are you debating in your mind whether you want to say what you got arrested for? Yeah. Okay, because people, you know, I understand. If you don't want to say, you don't have to say.

But, you know, I, at least for me on my end, man, you're like, you're not going to talk to the audience. You know what I mean? For me, on my end and stuff, I, I'll just tell you, man, like, I mean, I've never been to jail and stuff. But I have, I can't tell you how many friends who I've had that have gone to jail because they actually did the crime. I have countenance of friends that I've had to pick up and put in rehabs. Like, you're talking to a guy who's not going to be like, oh, cheapers, I'm talking to somebody who got put in jail. You know, like, that's like I've, I've dealt with jail in my life, my entire adult life through friends and stuff. So, but it's up to you, man.

I don't care. Well, I'll just say I got arrested. So, yeah. That's fine. So, so, yeah. I, so I got arrested and I got placed in jail and I was in there for a good seven months in solitary confinement.

And I'm not exactly sure. I think it was, I think it was maybe about a month or two while I was in there that I found out what I was arrested for. Really? Yeah. I was arrested for like, like under terrorist,

under the terrorist. under the terrorist laws or something like that. So they couldn't tell me what I was arrested for. Thanks, Bush. Thanks a lot, President Bush. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Bush. And so that's not what it was for, but that's kind of what they arrested me as under.

And so I was in there. And, yeah, it just, that's for me when life changed. I had some really, really good experiences while I was in there. spiritual experiences, not bad ones, but really good ones. They kind of outweighed the bad in my previous, you know, what happened previously. Yeah. So, um, and that's it. Perfect.

So, uh, I think that's a spot where we'll leave off here and we'll cover up in the cover, start off in the next segment where, uh, we'll cover your experiences in jail and then we'll move into life after jail. I have a feeling that the next segment is probably going to be a little on the longer side. So I think we got a lot of stuff to cover. And so anybody who's a member, they can just tune into the overtime segment right now. And it's available for you sitting there waiting for you.

Nick, listen, man, I appreciate making the time to share this first hour, almost hour and a half. And buckle up. We got more coming, man. All right. Thank you very much. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where or how you share the show. Just share the show if you enjoyed it because that's the best thing you can do to help the show grow. Just share the show. We greatly appreciate it. And just a reminder, we have Nick here for the overtime section available right now for members only where he talks about getting put in jail and the crazy things he experienced in jail with other inmates. Absolutely bizarre stuff. And then on Thursday, when he gets out of jail, that's where we pick up on Thursday. Him and his wife are pretty much homeless. they're invited to live at a church. And it turns out this church was extremely haunted. And I think personally it has a lot to do with the people who are actually running the church.

Bizarre people. Very bizarre situation. And that's on Thursday with Nick for the third installment. Listen, friends, I greatly appreciate you being here. Thank you very much for listening on a weekly basis. And as we get out of here, you'll be able to listen to the beginning of the overtime segment. So until next week, friends, stay safe, take care, and remember. The truth was such a free. but first they'll piss you off. Bye. Okay, we're back for round two with my man, Nick. Nick, how you doing, man? Doing good. Awesome, man. So, listen, we are recording here, and I'm looking at my recording, actually, and it's not doing what I thought it would do, but it's okay. It's still working.

Anyway, sorry, I got distracted there. Squirrel. I, I, um, we did an initial recording, and now we're going to be doing this one where it's, we're transatlanticated. transitioning into, you know, basically what you experienced within the prison system. But, you know, I mean, if you're okay with it, we, if you can share how this whole thing unfolded, how you got there and stuff, because you said that, you didn't do what you were accused of. And if I remember correctly, I don't have my notes in front of me. I believe you said you spent seven years in prison. No, it's seven months in jail. Okay. Yeah, protective custody. Okay, got you. In protective of custody. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Um, listen, if you are okay with share, just share whatever you're

okay with. Let's just put it that way, okay? Because I don't want to put you in a position where you feel obligated to say certain things. I know you struggle with PTSD from this whole experience. So if you could just, um, share what you can as far as like the process of what happened to get you there. If you, if it's just, you know, hey, something happened. I didn't do it. I was in jail. Let's start from there. that's fine. Just walk us into, you know, this whole situation of folding for you, man. All right. So I'm going to rehash a little bit what was said the last time. And we went over my exorcism. I believe I was incarcerated because of the results of the exorcism. And, you know, of course, I can't really prove that, but it just kind of went that way.

So one night I had a after the exorcism, I had a dream. And in the dream, I was, faced with the demon. This demon came to me and he started poking my chest or it started poking my chest. I keep wanting to say he. But it came and poked my chest and it was telling me, I got you. I got you. It was like the air of getting back at me. Like it was revenge. And it was poking my chest so hard that I woke up with actual blood on my chest. And so the physical, you know, it manifested physically on my body like the dream did. And in that day, I got a phone call saying I was going to be arrested. And they were going to send out SWAT and all that kinds of helicopters. I was going to be on the news and all that kind of stuff.

And I was like, no way. I'm not going to, I don't want to be on the news. I don't want to be, you know, I don't know what's going on. but I'm just going to turn myself in and figure this from that point on. So I went to the nearest jailhouse or the nearest police station. And I turned myself in. And I actually had no idea what I was arrested for until about three months after the arrest. They wouldn't tell me.

I was arrested under some sort of terrorist law. I don't know what it was. what it was. I never really looked into it, but it was the...