The Confessionals - 436: Smoky Mountain White Bigfoot

Episode Date: April 26, 2022

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A giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave, and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds them up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face.

They basically decapitated. Closer, got closer, that sparsen when he got. I feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small gray entities pulling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here.

If you've a crazy, wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionals at the Confessionalspodcast.com. That's The Confessionals at the Confessionalspodcast.com. Or go to the website, The Confessionalspodcast.com. Hit the contact section, and you can reach me that way as well. Either way it works for me, just get a hold of me. If you want more shows on a weekly basis, go to the confessionalspodcast.com. Hit the join button and become a member. Members get a bonus show every. Thursday, access to Tuesday shows ad-free. Also, the overtime segments are yours as a member all through the castos app or on the website. So if that interests you, go to the professionals podcast. com, hit the join button and become a member. Now, we got Greg coming on the show this week,

and Greg is somebody that I have had in the dock for a long time and we finally getting the ship out to sailing. But Greg comes on. You're going to hear him give validation to episode 85. I had a guy on years ago for episode 85 talking about getting lost into Smoky Mountains. In fact, I believe we called the episode Lost in the Smoky Mountains. Greg comes on to validate this guy because he actually was listening to that episode and heard this guy talking about the area he found himself in, and Greg was very familiar. He knew exactly where this guy was at. So he knew the guy wasn't lying about that. And then there was small details that he was talking about this area that only if you were there, you would know that to be true. And so he knew that this guy was taking.

telling the truth. And so he kind of gives validation to that, which is really cool. It doesn't happen very often with people who are listening to show being able to validate a complete stranger's story that they heard on the show. But Greg comes on today to talk about his experiences in the Smoky Mountains. In fact, I'll tell you what, this whole week is a Smoky Mountains week. If you listen to the episodes from this month, you hear me talking to guests about thinking about moving to Tennessee. Well, this is the month that I'm actually moving to Tennessee. I wasn't even planning it to line up like this, but it just so happens that I was thinking about it when I recorded with these guys, and their interviews are airing now the month

that I'm actually moving to Tennessee. And Greg is talking about the Smoky Mountains, which I'm going to be living near the Smoky Mountains. And so I'm really excited about this week's episodes with Greg, because Greg comes on the day to talk about seeing the White Bigfoot in the Smoky Mountains and all his other experiences that he talks about with the Smoky Mountains. And then on Thursday, he's back for the members episode where he's talking about this cabin that he had in the Smoky Mountains and the bizarre things that happened there. We had a great time talking with each other, and I hope you guys enjoyed the conversations with Greg this week where we're talking all things, Smoky Mountains in my home state, Tennessee. All right, today we got Greg on the show. Greg,

what's going on, man? Hey, how you going? Man, I'm doing good. So, first of all, you live in Tennessee and I am envious. I'm telling you, man, like I absolutely love Tennessee. I absolutely love Tennessee. I love the idea of moving there. I've been saying it on my recordings recently, and it's just like, man, and you live in the general area that I would love to live in. So envy runs through my veins for you. We love it here. We transferred here about 12 years ago, and this is where we always went on vacation,

and we had an opportunity to come up to move up here, and we took it. That's awesome, man. That's great. And who knows, maybe one day I'll be joining you. I've been getting a lot of friends. A lot of friends in Tennessee. They've been telling me, yeah, come on down. And so I know I got allies down there. That's for sure. But listen, man, you have a lot of

experiences you want to share with us and involving the smokies, you know. And I wanted you to kind of start us off with kind of a validating talk, I guess we can call it, because I don't remember what episode it was, but it was called Lost in the Smoky Mountains. It was episode 80 something. and the fellow that I had on there, I believe his name was Dan, if I remember correctly, he had shared his experiences and it was just like, it was just this dramatic story. And you actually are very familiar with the exact area he was talking about. And you can validate some things. And I would like for you to just kind of talk about the area and stuff and share with us,

you know, what you think of that whole area. Sure, no problem. Yeah, I was listening to that. podcast and uh anytime i see something that says something about you know something creepy or whatever happening in smokies of course i'm going to listen to it because it's home and i started listening to that one and the more he went into it i was like i know that area you know i know exactly where he's at and uh he uh him and his girlfriend i think it was they had gone on a hike and they got there pretty late from what I remember,

and which they got there, I think around five or six or whatever he said, but he said that they got to hiking, and then as soon as they got to, uh, how good ways down the trail, they started

feeling like they weren't alone, like something was watching them and everything. And, uh, this area, uh, we've had a lot of experiences there. And it's, It's very secluded. It's on an area.

Where he was at, he said it was right around Cade's Cove, but that's a pretty busy spot there. But when they were hiking that trail, I think he said when it was all sitting done, they had hiked like 14 or 15 miles after it was over with. And he had then gotten into an area that was way away from people, very rarely used.

Not a lot of people go down. through there. I mean, I've hiked down and through there and not even seen a single person. You know, I'll be there all day and won't see anybody. And my wife and I moved over to that end of the park. I think it was

2016, I believe it was. And I've been interested in Bigfoot and doing research of my own probably since 2010. And when we got to this area, I started looking for a spot that I could do some research and just kind of get out and look around and see if I could find a spot that may have some activity.

And I had a friend of mine tell me about this area. And so I went down there and checked it out one afternoon on a weekend and just started making my way down through the trails and everything. and I started getting down there almost every weekend. I was going down there and spending at least a whole day. And I was, had a lot of experiences after I'd been there a while, which I can get into a little bit. But this guy,

the way he described it, I mean, the thing that got me was his description of the place. It was, he was spot on about everything. I mean, the trail, The way they went switchbacks and everything and how they bypassed a waterfall.

And they met us another guy after it was all said and done. And the man, the other hiker told him which way to go to get to a campground and get some help after they'd been out all night long. And he had hurt his leg, his knee, I think it was. And I was like, I know exactly what's going on. I mean, I know exactly where he's at. And a lot of the experiences he had that night were things that I've seen, things that I've heard. And I do a lot of audio recording in that area where I'll leave a recorder out for a month at a time. Way off trail, several hundred yards off trail.

And I'll go back out there after it's been out there about a month to download all the audio, come back and review it. And I've heard a lot of strange things. things and several of those things that he was talking about. So he was pretty accurate on his description. I think he said they went to a campground and used, I think one of the things that really, really got my attention towards the end was he was talking about how they got to that campground.

His girlfriend, he laid down on a picnic table because he couldn't walk very much more and his girlfriend went on a little bit further to a rangers station, which isn't ever occupied. It's just more of an outpost type station, I think. But I knew exactly where that was at. I was basically following him down the trail in my mind as he was talking. And she said that she used a telephone there to call back to Cades Cove to get help.

and I was like, yeah, I know exactly where that phone's at, and I don't know how she used it because it doesn't work. Because we've gone up there and just checked it out, you know, and it doesn't work. Well, I guess probably about 10 minutes later in this interview, they said they talked to the Ranger, and once they came and picked them up to take them back to their car, the Ranger was like, well, how did you call me? You know, and the lady was like, well, I used this phone that was up.

here by the by the rangers station building and she said i had to call you from that you know there's no cell phone signal back there at all you can hang that up you're not going to get a cell phone call back there and uh the ranger lady she was like well that you know there's no way you could have called me from that phone she's like well i did that's the one i called you from and she's like well i just don't see how you could that phone hasn't worked in six months and i was like well that's right too because that phone hasn't worked ever since I've been out there. So, I mean, it was just little tidbits here and there. I mean, authors his story that just, you know, little flags here and there that just said,

hey, this guy's, you know, that's what I look for when somebody tells me a story, like, or reports something that's happened to them, you know, or I hear of experiences, you know, if I know anything about the area, I look for details in their description and everything, because, you know, that validates that they're usually telling the truth, at least about that part of it anyway. Yeah. And so, you know, I guess what we'll do, and I thank you for sharing that because you're the first person since I've aired that. And I think I aired that within the first, what, year and a half of the show that came forward to say, I know exactly that area. And that guy was spot on.

I've never had anybody do that before. But I would like for you, since we've been on this topic of his story, Lost in the Smoky Mountains, the show art, I'll always remember, the show art for that show was this, like, face that he, you know, was describing. And I would like for you to kind of go into your experience with a similar face you had about 30 miles from his location, because it's very similar in characteristics. and I'll let you share why. Yeah.

What he was talking about was what he, he saw a face. I actually saw the whole body, he said, but he was describing the face that whenever he was, he got back and the ranger that picked him up was, he had asked the lady, he said, you know, is there anything strange going on back in these mountains? She's like, you know, you have no idea. You know, and she was a little, she was pretty open with him from what he said as far as odd things that happened back in the mountains.

And she asked him, she said, right at that time, she said that David Pilates was filming the 4-11 series or the, there was an episode he was filming. And they were doing it on Dennis Martin, which was the little boy that got lost there in Cade's Cove. I think it was back in the late 60s or it was on Father's Day back then, but they were filming that there. And she started telling him, you know, if you're interested in this kind of stuff, you ought to look up his videos and stuff and check this guy out, his books. So he did. And he started, I don't know if he saw, I think he said he saw a video on YouTube or something that David was given a speech or talk. and he was talking about, somebody had asked him,

you know, are there different types of big foots and things like that, you know, and he said, yeah, he said, it's just like people, you know, I mean, you got fat people, skinny people, you know, different races and everything.

And I mean, they're just like people. That's what he said. He said, for example, in the Smoky Mountains, a lot of them, look, have this look to them to where their eyes have like rings around them,

kind of like a raccoon. Um, and they just kind of have like, a friend of mine told me they have like a look almost like a ghoul, you know, where their eyes are so back, far back in their head that from a distance, if you're using a video camera, if you see them like in the shadows, their eyes look really dark like black spots. And they have like a little ring, dark ring or a white ring or something around them. kind of a raccoon appearance. And this, and I was like, wow, man. And I said that, that's, that's like, uh, really, um, confirming something that I had seen several years ago on my own. Um, I had another area before I started going to this area where he was at and he had his experience that, uh, I was, that's where I had my first experience. And I started researching there on my own, going out every weekend, walking trails,

got me a little video camera, mounted it to the top of a hiking stick, like a monopod. And I just carry it with me down the trail, you know, and film behind me, film out beside me, just constantly filming, you know. I was on a horse trail. I was way back in the woods, not far from a campground. and I heard something over to my right, and it kind of startled me, you know, and it sounded like movement.

So, you know, I jumped, and I kind of stopped and looked over and I couldn't see what it was, but there was something moving through the woods. So I instantly aimed my camera over there. I'm sitting here filming into the woods. I can't see anything yet. And I start seeing these heads moving through, and I say, oh, that's just turkeys, you know.

There's just about three or four turkeys making their way through the woods. So I just said, okay, I'll just film them. So I'm filming turkeys, watching them. you know, and nothing else really happened. So I just kind of did that for a few minutes and moved on down the trail and did my thing the rest of the day and went on home later that afternoon. While I was reviewing, I go back and review the videos and watch them in slow motion or just kind of just go back, you know, start and finish because just look in the background to see if something's back there, you know. And as I was watching these turkeys, I got to that part where the turkeys were at, I was watching that. And I saw a way in the background look like this face.

I was like, what? So I just slowed down the video and took a still shot of it. And so then I zoomed in really close. I was like, that's a freaking face looking around a tree at me on the other side of the turkeys. I mean, I was like, I don't know how to explain it. I mean, I know people say there's parodolia, you know, with leaves and stuff, but this is flat out, looks like a face to me. It almost looked like a raccoon or a panda bear face because of the way the eyes were, but it's leaning out around the tree. And the actual video, I slowed it down in slow motion and zoomed it in

the best I could. And you can just about see, I think you can see his eyes blink or something, but I don't like to present something like that. I don't know for sure what it's doing, but the still shot definitely looks like a head looking around tree, and it has a raccoon appearance to it because of the eyes. And I always thought, I said, if that is a Bigfoot, I always kind of felt like that I may have walked up on him

trying to, you know, on a little turkey hunt or something. Maybe he was fixing the nabs and turkeys, and I kind of disturbed him. And he was watching me to see what I was going to. to do. But, uh, and I sent you that picture too, Tony. So, yeah. I mean, I'm looking at the picture right now. And, uh, I'll post it in the show description for the website. And so people can go ahead and check that out, the professionals podcast.com. And it will be there. And what I'm looking at here, man, it does. It looks like a panda bear peeking around a tree at you. And, you know, I know, I know people

will talk about paradolia, and I understand that. And I, a lot of times I see stuff that I think, you know, it's probably paradolia, you know, but this, just wait until you see it, people. Like, you don't have to strain your eyes to see what we're seeing here. And I'm not even going to even describe where in the picture it's at. It's clear. Now, when, and you saw the video, I don't see the video here. If you want, you can send me the video and I'll post that as well. but this to me looks like it might not have been a full-size, like a big, big creature. Is that the perception you get as well? Yeah, I mean, if it is a big foot, which I'm not saying it is, because I don't know.

I mean, it's not a, you know, your standard eight or ten foot tall, you know, Patterson Gimlin, Bigfoot standing back there. I don't think unless he's sitting on his knees or, you know, on all fours. just peeking around a tree. At that angle, I can't really tell how high he is off the ground. And I didn't review it and notice it until it's like later on, like maybe a few months later. So, you know, you go back to try to do a comparison shot. And it's like everything, the landscape's changed, you know, bushes have grown in and things like that.

But I don't know what it is if it's, you know, it's not a bear. I mean, bears don't sit there and peek around a tree at you like that perfectly still. I mean, that's not the way a bear acts, and it's bigger than a raccoon. I mean, and we don't have panda bears here in the smokies as far as I know. I mean, so, you know, people can look at it and make their own judgment, but, you know, I kind of feel like I know what it is, but I don't want to, you know, I can't say for sure, you know. Come on, you know you want to say. Well, I put it this way.

There's a lot of, I do know there are Bigfoot there in that area, and there's a lot of Bigfoot activity. So, I mean, in my heart, I feel like it is a big foot, but, you know, unless you can some, you know, there's just, unless I try to be, you know, a healthy skeptic, even with my own work, you know, the things that I get. And, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That's, it's pretty crazy looking. No, it definitely is crazy looking. And like I said, I didn't have to strain too hard at all to see what you were seeing. and I was like, holy crap, that, I mean, I had this, like, impression first off when I looked

at that it looked like a sloth or something with raccoon eyes. And, uh, and I think that was peridolia because the way the branches are in the foreground going towards upwards towards the tree, it almost makes you feel like there's an arm reaching around a tree. But I don't think it is an arm reaching around the tree. I think it's just a head peeking around the tree. But when you, when you picture that as an arm, and if you, if you, if you, I don't know, if you're looking at now or what, but it almost feels like there's an arm reaching around the tree, and that's what gives it that, like, sloth look to me. Yeah, I thought that too. I've thought about the hand and arm reached around the tree,

but I didn't want to say anything because it's just not clear enough for me. Right, because there's clearly a tree in the foreground and behind the head in the background, and that color of that tree is the same color of what we would say would be the arm going upwards. And so it's just too hard to say. And it's, it's, it's, and I appreciate the way you're doing this because it's very important to be critical of these things. And especially the person who's presenting it, being honest with yourself and not being over-excited because you want to show people that you have a picture of Bigfoot or something like that. And honestly, dude, like, I've never seen Bigfoot, but I wouldn't picture Bigfoot this way. I don't know what this is. Uh, I had another guy email me.

I think, I think I just read the email the day talking about this episode. again. And if I remember correctly, he said that he has seen these things in that area, but it's always around Bigfoot, and he calls them the other. And I don't know what that means, but hopefully he wants to come on the show and talk about it sometime, you know? Yeah, I'd like to hear those. Yeah, but it's just very interesting. And I find it really interesting that I'm going to say Dan, because I'm pretty sure that's what his name was from episode 85. he definitively talked about the raccoon eyes. And you talk about it in this picture.

And I look at it. I'm like, yeah, that looks like raccoon eyes. And I can imagine if it's eyes are as dark as the outline around it, that would be terrifying, you know? Yeah. A friend of mine and I asked him if I could use his name was Scott Carpenter. I mean, a lot of people know him for research. Shout out to Scott Carpenter. We need to get him on the show, right?

Yeah, you really do. He's got a lot of pictures. And he explains. He actually did a video that explained it really well how digital cameras, like, really fool you when you take pictures of stuff. And like a lot of his pictures were the eyes. They actually look like I said, a ghoul. I mean, it's just this really.

I mean, he sent me a comparison picture. I sent that picture you're looking at to him. and he sent it back to me with a comparison picture with him right beside it that he took of himself out in the woods with a digital camera from a distance. And his eyes looked exactly like those, totally black. So, and which makes sense to me because, I mean, their eyes are set back further in their head is what people say. And it would make your eyes look darker like that if the eyeballs are actually a little bit further back. And to me, that would help a little bit with your night vision too at night. or, you know, kind of like an owl or something.

Oh, yeah, for sure. 100%. I find a very interesting man. And I want to transition here into, and I don't know if you've had multiple Bigfoot settings, but I know in the email you were talking about having a daylight setting of a white Bigfoot, which really I always find interesting because Pennsylvania has these multiple reports of a white Bigfoot and PA. Do I think it's more than one? Maybe. But I also know that these things can cover a lot of ground. So maybe it's the same one that people are seeing and it stands out more. But I have a friend, Don, who I used to hike with back in the day. And what got him into this whole topic was Christmas Eve, 2000, I say 15, I think it was. He was hiking the Appalachian Trail and he came across a white bigfoot. And it was just like darting across the scene. He saw it. And that kind of launched him into the, this whole thing because he couldn't believe what he was seeing.

So I'm always interested in the topic of a white bigfoot. So go for it and tell us what you saw. Yeah. It was in the same area where this, Dan, you're talking about, was at. And it was actually in the campground where he wound up laying down on the picnic table waiting for help to come. But like I was saying earlier, I did a lot of recording there. and the day I went out there, I was actually going to check on a recorder I'd had out there for probably about two or three weeks. And it was back in the woods off trail a little bit, not too far from the campground because it was just, I have one that's way back, and then I have something a little bit closer, you know, but to like where I park and everything.

But because, like I said, there's not a lot of people there. So, you know, at nighttime, there's nobody there. So that's usually when the recorders kick on. But I was back there checking my recorder, and I had a little area not far from it where I was setting out some gifts, like little toys, little stuffed animals. And I think I put some candy bars out on another tree, that little tree that had fallen over. It's like a little gifting area, I called it. And I just finished doing everything I was going to do, download it all my audio. And I'd done pack my backpack back up.

And I was heading back down, cutting through the woods, fixing to come back out into the campground. And I stopped. And when I go out in the woods, I have an alcohol that I keep with me. And that's kind of what I use to announce myself when I come in the woods. From day one, when I start going to a new area, I always announce myself when I go in the woods. I'll blow that alcohol. It's a barred alcohol. It's actually a turkey call, but it's, it makes a sound like a barred.

Al. But, and I do that every time I go in the woods so that hopefully that if, you know, if they don't know I'm, if they don't already know I'm there, if they hear that, they'll know I'm around and they'll come check me out. But I do that every time I go out. And this day, I stopped right when I was leaving my gift in area heading back through the woods. I stopped and I did a few of those calls and I did some screech out calls too that I'd do that. was just my mouth. I don't use a call, an actual call for that. But, um, so I sat there and listened and I started hearing one answer back. And this was the middle of the day. And barred owls and screech owls, you will hear them

during the day, but it's not very, as often as you do at night. And this was very loud. It was louder than your typical screech and barred owl calls. And, uh, I think I probably heard about two or three of each. And they were coming from down towards the campground, which was probably, about another two or three hundred yards away through the woods and uh it did about two about or three times each and i answered back and i sat there and listened didn't hear anything so i made my way back down to the campsite and i sat down at one of the picnic tables and uh threw my backpack on the table i was sitting there and i pulled my cell phone out and i was thumbing through some pictures

because I always take pictures of what I leave, gifts and things like that. And so when I come back, I can tell if something's been moved or taken or anything like that. So I was just kind of going through all the pictures that I had just taken when I was over at my gifting spot. And I guess I've been sitting there 15, 20 minutes. And it was getting close to dark. It's probably about 5 o'clock, 5.30. and I noticed when I came in and parked my truck, there was one other vehicle out there

because there's a trailhead there. And a lot of people come out there and go hiking on the weekends during the day, but there was only one car out there when I got there. And while I was sitting at the picnic table, those people came walking by, heading back to their car, and they had done gone on by.

And they'd, I guess, had been 10, 15 minutes. I don't know. they done gone by and it was starting to get dark and I stood up and I grabbed my backpack and I slung it over my one arm and I was fixing to sling it over my other arm and out of the corner of my eye saw something on the other end of the campground it looked like it was out by the water by a creek but it was white and it was you could see it through the brush it was a ways off, I'd say maybe 75 yards away or something like that. But when you see something that just doesn't belong, I know you've probably heard this before, but when you see something, your mind

tries to register it as something you're familiar with. And all I saw was white. And the first thing that popped in my mind was a swan. I don't know why a swan popped in my head because it was moving so smoothly. I swear, Tony, it was like it was floating, our own roller skates or something, like a, and it was from right to left, and it was just

inside the tree line on the other end of the campground. And it was this just big white spot I could see through the brush, and it was moving so smooth. I mean, it's just almost like it was floating. And it came, it reached an area

by time I realized, I mean, by time you finally realize this is not a swan dummy, wake up. What are you looking at here? It's almost, I mean, the whole sighting is about over with. But it came out into the open, and I still couldn't tell what it was. It was just this white mass. And by the time I finally realized what it was, it was starting to duck down and go behind this humongous, That's probably about a four foot tall tree that was laying on the ground that had fallen.

And it was on the other side of the tree when it was floating across. And it finally registered in my mind what I was seeing was this humongous, massive, muscular back. It had its back to me. It wasn't looking at me. It was facing the other way. It did not have its face looking at me. but because of the way the tree was, it's probably about a four foot tall tree.

I could only see from about, I don't know if it was like its thighs or waist or what, because I really couldn't see any legs moving. It really seemed like all I could see was from like the lower back up. And the shoulders, if you can just picture what the incredible Hulk looks like as far as its back, just rippling muscles and just solid chunk of muscles. like in a V shape almost

that's all I could see and like it looked like the head was hunched over like he was trying to try to duck or something keep me from seeing his face or something but he was just he just smoothly went by and just as he got out in the open

he kind of went down behind the log and I guess he went down on all fours but he went down behind the log where I couldn't see him and he kind of went into the brush he was gone. I mean, it was just, I think the whole thing lasted 8 to 10 seconds max. I mean, it seemed

like it lasted forever, but I know it didn't last that long. But, but it was like the color. I mean, it was solid white, like a swan. That color. That's what stuck in my head was white. And all I can think of is like, there's nothing out here in

these woods solid white. I mean, I mean, even it wasn't a bear. I know what a bear looks like. you know, I hike all the time and I go out in these woods. I'm an outdoors person. I know what a bear looks like, but you can clearly see the back and the muscles. I mean, I knew what it was as soon as it got out in the open. My mind finally registered.

It wasn't a swan. But it was crazy. And I walked. I didn't know if I should, but I did. I walked over to the tree after it had done gone into the woods. But it's like I hit a wall. wall once I got to that tree. Kind of like

Dan, the guy was saying, he hit a wall. I think he said something about hitting a wall. He didn't need to do something or go any further or something. I can't remember, but it's like something inside me said, don't go any further. Don't go into those woods. And I was like, no problem, sir. I'm not going in those woods.

But I sat there and I listened. And You couldn't hear a thing. I mean, you could not hear a pin drop. I mean, you could hear a pin drop. It was just so quiet. And something that big would be sounding like a horse walking through the woods. I mean, there's just no way. I mean, it was that quiet.

And I was kind of, I mean, I was in shock. I mean, I guess it really didn't hit me until I got home. I mean, what had really happened, you know, and it's registered with me. But I wasn't scared. It didn't freak me out or nothing. But it was just really, it was just really kind of shocking. But I've always felt like those alcoes was him answering me back when I was back there in the woods. Because I've heard them do alcohols back to me before.

I mean, but I went back probably the next weekend, I think it was. because I worked during the week, but I went back the next weekend as soon as I could. And I set a GoPro camera on the picnic table where I was sitting. And it has like a little remote thing where you, Wi-Fi, where you can look at your video on your phone. And I had the camera and I aimed it right to where I saw him go into the brush, where he came out in the open.

And I walked, I took my phone with me, and I walked back there to where I saw him disappear and just stood there and took a picture just to give me a size comparison, just give me something, you know, to kind of give me an idea about how big this name was. And, dude, I look like a midget compared to this thing, and I'm six foot too. I mean, it's just, it blew my mind when I saw how small I was compared to the mass that I saw. I mean, like I said, it looked like the Hulk's back, just solid white. I mean, that's all I can say. I mean, it was crazy.

But that was pretty much my, that's pretty much the sighting there, you know, and I still go back there. I mean, I just feel like he was just letting me see him for some reason. I don't know. I don't know why they do the things they do, but I don't know what he was doing. I mean, it didn't make any sense to me other than that he was just letting me see him. I don't know. Yeah, you know, and I don't know why people have the settings they have sometimes because these things definitely seem like they have the ability to not be detected. And so anytime there's a sighting in the back of your head, you're just like, why?

You know, what was the point of that? But the sheer size of this thing as you're describing and how it kind of would have hulked over you if it was near you, it says that it wasn't a swan. That's for sure. No, it's just, it's crazy. Because you hear people, you know, when they see something, you know, your mind tries to lock you in and register to something that it's searching through files, you know, and it's like, okay, it's got to be something you're familiar with. What is it?

And for some stupid reason, my mind was saying swan, I guess, because of the color. I don't know. And how smooth it was moving. I mean, it was like it was on roller skates. I mean, it was crazy. I mean, no movement whatsoever. It's just like somebody had a mannequin or something. and it was just like set it on roller skates and pushed it or something.

I mean, it was just crazy. And that reminds me of the video from Pennsylvania. I'm sure you've seen it, the White Bigfoot that's out there. It's a night video. And now I forget what county was taken in. But I remember watching it. And I looked at that video up and down. And, you know, you and I were talking.

I'm not sure if you said it on the show or not. But you mentioned about how, no, I think you did, about how, you know, when you were. were going through the video, you almost felt like you could see that creature with the raccoon eyes blinking. But you didn't really want to say that because you're really not sure if it's paradoli or whatever. And that's kind of how I feel about the video of the white Bigfoot in Pennsylvania, because when I would go in on it and really look at the lips, it looked like when it got hit with the flashlight, the lips pinched together and took off, which to me was like,

and this was, this video was taken. I mean, I want to say 2014. 2013, I just, it to me, it told me what this was not a mask. And this thing moved so swiftly at night. It was, it was very, you know, quick video. But the way it dodged and it moved so fast, it again, it's like it was moving very smoothly. And now that I'm thinking about it, your experience here with that creature, we'll call it the Swan Bigfoot. And then this white Bigfoot in Pennsylvania, thinking about that. And my friend Dave Groves might have caught a picture of a white Bigfoot face on one of his hikes that I've talked about before. Very interesting because it looks just like the thing that we saw in the video in

Pennsylvania. What I, what I'm getting to is the picture you sent me of that creature peeking out from behind the, the tree and just dawned me, that was a white face as well with black sunken eyes. Yeah, that's true. He has like a panda bear look to it almost. Yeah. But it doesn't, it doesn't have that conical head that I've seen in Pennsylvania. Yeah, and that's one reason I don't want to say it's a big foot, but I mean, there's, I don't know. I mean, I don't know any animals it could be. I mean, I fully believe there are other cryptids out in the, you know, in the woods. But, you know, that may be what it is. I don't know.

But it's something. I mean, I don't know. People can look at it and judge for themselves, but maybe somebody knows what it is. I don't know. But I wouldn't expecting to see it whenever I was filming those turkeys, though, because I didn't know it was there. I mean, if there were something there, I didn't know it. I mean, when I was walking down that trail. Yeah.

So, all right, let's talk about some of these recordings that I want to play for the show here. Let's start off with the, because of the recordings, I think this one is actually the one that intrigues me least out of the two. But it's still definitely very interesting. Let's talk about the scream and the reply vocalization you recorded. Set the scene for us before we play it. What were you doing? What were you looking for? Where were you?

Okay, well, I wasn't there. This was in the middle of the night. This was a recorder that I put out in the woods. And I believe it was during the winter months or early, early spring. I'd have to go back and double check, but it was a rainy night. And usually when I get a rainy night and I'm reviewing, I'm like, yeah, yeah, I ain't going to happen, whatever. But I was, got to a point in the recording to where, you know,

You could tell the rain had stopped, and you could just hear the rain dripping off the trees. So any of the little popping sounds like that, it's just rain drops falling off the trees. But now, I have like a, I'll call it an LDR, but it's a long duration recorder that we'll put out, and it runs on batteries. And it kicks on and off on a timer. It's got stereo microphones on it. It's in a PVC tube, and it comes on a bit dark and, goes off in the morning when the sun comes up

just depending on what time of year it is as to what time I said it but I'll hang it up between two trees on a piece of a paracord and probably about a 20 foot piece of paracord

just so and it's probably about 8 to 10 foot off the ground so nothing can get to it um nothing can mess with it but this was probably around 1.30 or 2 in the morning

several hundred yards way off trail. It's way off trail. And there's a like a little holler back up in there. And like a little valley area between two ridges and the recorder's up on the ridge. And this is a spot where I've been leaving food, apples, little trinkets, stuffed animals, things like that. And, you know, I'd come back and some are missing or some are moved. And, you know, one apple's taken, you know, the other two are still sitting there, you know. Which I don't know what animal does that.

You know, usually they take everything. But this, you'll just have to play it. I mean, it's, it's a, it's a scream or a yell. And it's, it's, I've had it analyzed by a friend of mine that's, uh, does audio. analyzations. He has a military background, but he does a lot of analyzing for Bigfoot researchers. But he analyzes it, and he says there's certain vocal range that Bigfoot's Sasquatch will, can get into that humans aren't in there. And that's pretty much how he can tell that it's a Sasquatch is by the, the, uh, the, uh, the vocal range that's in the, the megahertz or

whatever, um, I'm not that great at that. That's why I's ended up, but, uh, and he was, he was pretty convinced. That's what it was. Um, but it's just, it's a loud scream. And then in the faint, in the background, you'll hear a faint response off in the distance. It sounds pretty similar to it, so. Yeah. So, uh, I'm going to play. it here so people can hear it and stuff. And it's it's clearly a yell. And, you know, before I played, I want to say that I'm not a wildlife expert. So, and, and you're, you're probably well, more familiar with the sounds you're going to hear out there than a lot of people because you're out there so much. But I want people to hear this and so they can kind of, you know, call their own

shots. It's what we do on the show. All right. I'm going to play it one more time. Yeah. So, I mean, when I hear that recording, it's different than what I pictured in the email when you first sent it to me because in the email you mentioned about it. And I was thinking, just kind of knowing the general idea of how things are laid out in the landscape, I was thinking, could it have been an echo that, you know, bounced off and came back to the recorder. But to me, that sounds like a totally different whatever calling. To me, it sounded like it was a different call. It did what wasn't the exact same call. Yeah, it's, it's, it sounds like a response to me.

It's, I mean, I do alcohols back there, and there is an acoustic. I mean, it's got a little, not an echo, but it really reverberates in that, that little holler pretty good. But if I already yell like that, I would, you know, I wouldn't hear my echo back. I mean, it's not like that. I mean, it's, it's in the woods. And, uh, there's not like a lot of rock formations or anything where something would bounce back. I mean, it's, I feel it's pretty much a response, but, I mean, technically, I guess it could be like a teenager or a kid or something screaming, but, you know, maybe his buddies, you know, several hundred yards down the trail yelling back. I don't know, but it's, it was really bad weather that night, and I was really surprised that it even lit up enough to where I could get any audio out of that night.

But it's a very secluded area, and I highly doubt anybody was back there just, just, just, just, you know. yelling. I mean, it was the only thing that I got that night. I mean, there wasn't anything else going on that I could hear. So, I don't know. So talk to us about this next one where it's the walk-up whistler. What was the scene on that one? That was a little bit further down the trail up on a ridgetop. That's when I first started recording out there. And this is probably about it's a couple miles back down the trail. And it's way off trail. And once you get off trail to get to it. It's way off the trail again, too. And I had a recorder hanging up

like I did the other one. And it's really quiet night. And all of a sudden, just in the distance, you hear this rustling coming up the hill, and the closer it gets, it sounds bipedal to me. It sounds like two legs walking.

And it's coming up the hill or down the hill. I don't know. But, you know, that's the thing with audio. You can't see what's happening. you can only hear it, but it's coming closer to the recorder. And it gets, like, right to it or right under it or something, and it stops. It kind of rustles around a second and stops, and then it whistles up underneath it. And I've, I can't tell if it's a whistle or just like a, you know, or something, but I've had so many people I've shown that to.

I mean, outdoors and hunters. I've had wildlife biologists look at it and listen to it. And nobody can identify what that is, what kind of animal makes that sound. I mean, not to mention that it sounds like it's on two feet, you know, in the middle of the night. Usually around one or two or three in the morning somewhere. That's when most of the activities happening on my recordings. But they can take a listen to it and see. But it stops right under the recorder, it does that, and sits there a second, and then it just starts, it just continues on its little way, keeps on walking.

Yeah, so I'm going to play this. It's about a 40, I think it actually almost a minute-long clip. I'm going to skip ahead because it happens later in the clip. And we'll listen to a couple times and then we'll come back. So that's the little whistle there. And I find it interesting, man. I find it interesting. People say they hear these things whistling and I didn't play the whole clip.

And maybe I should have, but just for time's sake, I didn't. You do hear something walking up and then toying around the leaves and then you hear that little whew, that little whistle. And I'm just like, wow, that's a really, really clear whistle. When I used to hike the Appalachian Mountain a lot, I would sometimes, not sometimes, I shouldn't say that. I'm sorry, I got distracted. Not sometimes.

One time I was doing a recording and I actually caught, and I didn't hear it in person there at the moment, but later I heard it on the recording. It was a whoop. It was just like, whoop out in the distance. And I don't know what it was, but I remember we had activity going on. And that's why I was recording to begin. with. And it's interesting, though, that's the, that's a really good whistle, though. Well, I mean, I'm not ashamed to say, too. I mean, if somebody knows what that is,

if that is an animal or some kind, I'd like to know what it is. I mean, I feel like whatever it was, it sounds like it's on two legs to me. And I've caught that several times, but that's just one of the best ones. But I don't, I mean, I'm not afraid to back down and say it's not, you know, a big foot or whatever. You know, if somebody can correct me, I'd love to know. I mean, I really would. But there's a lot of weird things happen back there. I mean, I tell you, I could go all night.

That's some of the crazy stuff that's happened back there. I mean, we've heard voices on the trail. We've, you know, I glow. What kind of voices? Just, I was coming around, going up the trail, heading back my little gifting area. And I was about halfway back. And there's a sharp curve in the trail. and it's always in a curve for whatever reason.

And I got about right to the edge of it, and I heard, well, sound like somebody cough. It was like a, like, a, ugh, like that. Like they were clear in their throat. And then just a mumble, mumble. It just sounded, you know. I just stood there a second, fully expecting somebody to come around the corner. And I just sat there for a second, and nobody came.

And I said, okay. So I just went on up around the corner and looked. And when you get around the corner, it's a straight shot. got for probably a good 100 yards down the trail. And there wasn't anybody in sight. So I don't know what that was all about. But another friend of mine that's been out there, he's heard voices out in the woods there too. So it's kind of common to hear strange things like that.

Are they similar to like what he heard and what you've heard other people talk about? Is it similar to like that chatter sound? Yeah, it was more like a mumbling, I think. And it was definitely a coughing like somebody was clearing their throat. And now what he heard, my friend that was out there one day, he was further on down the trail in this same area. And he said it sounded like two women talking, like a mumbling. I mean, you couldn't understand what they were saying. Just like your previous caller of this story, he said he heard.

He couldn't understand what they were saying. And it's just like a mumbling, like people talking. But he said, I believe he said this sounded like two women talking out in the woods. I couldn't see them. I mean, you can see perfectly clear out through the woods. I mean, but he said he could hear them. So I don't know. So what are your thoughts on the idea that some of this activity, like the vocalizations and stuff,

could be more paranormal than it is, anything else? It most definitely could. I mean, the trail has a lot of. It was a Native American trail. And there's, I mean, and I'm not just calling them out or not saying that. But, I mean, a lot of times you kind of get some strange things happen. And it's, it could definitely be paranormal. We've had some things happen that I really don't think were Sasquatch related.

Like the voices. And one time I was walking out of there heading back to my truck. And I was. I'm walking down the road and I totally feel like somebody's right beside me, you know. I mean, I mean, I just constantly kept looking over my shoulder, fully expecting to see somebody there. I mean, it was everything but actually hearing their footsteps. I mean, you could just feel something beside you. And it lasted probably about 20 seconds and I was like, okay, I got to get back to the truck.

You know, I'm not going, I don't want anything to do with this. I'm out here for Bigfoot, not this. And, um, but I've had that happen a couple of times in other places, too, where you just feel like something comes right up in your space. You'll be standing there doing something. All of a sudden, you just feel like somebody's standing right beside you. I mean, you can just, I mean, you know what I'm talking about. Like, you can shut your eyes. If somebody walks up beside you, you can tell it.

Yeah. I mean, it was that evident. Yeah. And that's the thing. I mean, I think that, you know, you're out in the woods. You're looking for Bigfoot and things like that. Let's just say Bigfoot. you have these other experiences, if you're not thinking along the lines of what are the possibilities

here as to other things that are outside the norm, it could probably be easy to lump it into well, that's a big foot. And it could be. But, you know, the thing is, it might be something else. I mean, isn't that area pretty well heavily known as Civil War type area where battles had happened? It is, and there was a lot of Cherokee battles there, too. That whole area down through there was the old Cherokee Nation, which, of course, isn't there anymore. But there was, yeah, there was a lot of battles fought there. And I'm not quite sure on the Civil War active. I know there were Civil War battles around us, but I'm not too familiar where they were or anything.

But, yeah. So you mentioned earlier about the gifting and leaving even, I think he even said like stuffed animals or toys or something. What's your personal philosophy behind that? Because I know there's different reasons why people leave the gifts out. Sometimes they leave just food out to attract its, you know, taste buds. Sometimes they leave balloons. They leave little toys, marbles. And sometimes they think it's a gifting thing where, you know, a big foot will take something and leave something.

thing in place of it. Is it something like that? Are you doing it because you just feel like maybe they're attracted to just a new shiny object and trying to catch them on camera? Well, I'm not trying to catch them on camera so much. I mean, I used to, but it just, it kind of got to where I was like, you know, it seemed kind of disrespectful and I didn't get very good results of it, first of all. But it just kind of, it's kind of gotten to where I just want to learn more about I'm going to interact with them instead of trying to get proof. But the gift, and it's just, it's just to what, to me, it's a way to interact with them and relate to them and just try to have some sort of communication with them because we don't know,

you know, we don't know what their language is. We don't know how to communicate. I mean, we're, we're all experimenting. I mean, there aren't any experts in this, but I do that. And hopefully, you know, they'll take it sometimes and sometimes they won't. And, you know, I kind of get an idea sometimes what they like and what they don't like. And like sometimes I'll put rocks out, you know, in a formation and come back and they're rearranged or totally flipped over and moved around, you know, and different designs and stuff. And it's just trying to figure out what they're trying to communicate.

I mean, I don't think they're just, I don't feel like. they're doing it just randomly, like an animal comes and roots around, you know, and move stuff around. There's purpose behind it because there's patterns you start to notice. And other, you know, once you talk to other researchers that are doing the same thing, different parts of the country, I mean, you're seeing patterns. I mean, groups of three, you know, you'll see rocks grouped in three and then one over here by itself.

You know, I've heard, I mean, countless people tell me they have the same thing happened to them in a total different part of the country. country. And it's just to, you know, just to see what they'll do, you know, gain their trust. You know, it's a trust issue. It's the whole thing is about trust. I mean, if you, if you do something that's going to, you know, screw up that trust relationship, I mean, you're starting back over at ground zero again. I mean, it's, it takes a long time to build that trust up.

And, you know, that's, that's a new. That's one reason why I kind of stopped using the cameras. But I don't take the video cameras and stuff out there with me anymore. So you mentioned about kind of like how the idea of it, you know, being a disrespectful thing trying to catch it on camera. And just the way you're talking, it sounds to me like you kind of lean towards these things being more than just a creature, but maybe even possible a type of human. Is that right? Or is that putting words your mouth? Absolutely.

Yeah, I don't really. fall in the, the, uh, the, uh, ape, uh, group. I mean, there's a lot of people that think they're just an eight, but sure. I mean, I've experienced too many things that, you know, it's intelligence. It's not, it's not, uh, animal instinct or animal, animal reactions and stuff like that. The things, the, some of the things that I've experienced, I mean, in those woods and, you know, where I used to live and stuff, it's just, you know, it's just like you're dealing with another person, you know, you're not dealing with a, with a bear or just some monkey running around the woods. I mean, it's, it's more than that.

I got you, man. I got you. Uh, listen, before we wrap this up and stuff, I know you have, like, you have tons of experiences, uh, and, you know, we kind of just hit on some highlights and stuff. Uh, what's some of the, the, the, the light experiences? I know you've, you've, experienced the lights out there. I find it interesting because, again, episode, and I looked it up at 85, I believe it was, lost his smoking mouth. He talked about the lights, too. I mean, his experience, I mean, talk about a jam-packed night out in the woods, you know? I mean, he talked about so much stuff that they experienced. What have you experienced out there? Well, um, I glow for one thing. I've experienced that. I've experienced that.

And what I think, I don't know if it's an orb or what, but I've seen a lot of things like a lantern moving through the woods. I got a high speed rate of speed or, you know, it looks like somebody walking through the woods holding one of those old propane Coleman lanterns, you know. And I went out to out there one night by myself and was sitting by my truck. and there's a creek right there close to where I park. And on the other side of the creek, it goes straight up. I mean, it's basically, I mean, a very steep, steep hill. And I was out there just kind of listening and talking to the woods, you know, and just saying, you know, if you're out there, come see me and things like that.

And I had like a little Native American flute. I was playing some music, you know, just trying to get some attention from them and get their attention. and I saw this light up on the hill across the creek, and it looked like a headlamp at first, and it was up on the top of the ridge, and it was just kind of moving in and out behind some brush up there, like it was ducking in, it'd come out, it'd duck back in and hiding, and I was like, whoa, you know,

I said, hey there, what you're doing up there? And I didn't do anything, just kind of ducked back in, and it disappeared. I was like, okay, let's see what happens now. you know, I was getting a little nervous there. And, oh, a few minutes later, I just kind of leaned up against the truck, just waiting to see what would happen. And a few minutes later, it reappeared, like, down the hill, like, right at the edge of the water,

like eye level with me. And it was just kind of like something just pacing back and forth. It's just this bright white light. I mean, you couldn't hear any sound or anything, but, I mean, it was, and it's like a jungle over there. I mean, there's really no access to get to that side. I mean, I mean, you can probably wait. You could swim across the creek and climb up that hill.

But, I mean, it's like a Vietnam jungle trying to get through those rhododendron and things like that on that hill back in those woods on that side of the creek. Because I've tried and it was just like I gave up. Because I was going to just check out the area over there. But this thing just sat there for a couple minutes, just pacing back and forth looking at me. And then it just went behind some bros. It was gone. And we see that a lot, just like lights going down the ridgetops.

And like this guy, you know, in your other interview, he saw pin lights. We see a lot of pin lights. It just looks like a little tiny, tiny flashlight out in the woods. And it kind of come out, you know, floating through the woods. It'll go behind a tree and come back out. And it's just, there's some crazy stuff out there. But like the, we've seen the eye glow, like we've seen different colored eyes. I mean, where it almost looks like an emerald colored blue, you know,

a couple of, a couple eyes looking at you from back in the woods. Trying to think if there's anything else as far as lights goes on there. Well, we've seen red eyes across the creek. We'll be sitting there in total darkness at one of the picnic tables. and somebody that was with me. She was looking over my shoulder. And I was looking the other direction. And she said, oh, my God.

She said these red lights just came on behind you. And she said it looked like two bright LED red lights came on right across the creek. It just came on for a few seconds and went right back off. And it just moved right down at the edge of the water like eye level with us too. It was no. But do you take those experiences of lights and stuff? And do you sometimes categorize it as, you know, the other outside of Bigfoot-related stuff, like more paranormal or ET or, you know, maybe just like the orbs being their

own spirits or anything like that? Some of it I do, yeah. I just put it in the class category that I don't know what it is the heck it is. but it could be spiritual. It could be something natural. I don't know. I mean, some of the orbs, I don't know if that's natural or what,

but some people have said they've seen it and they have almost like they have an intelligence behind them the way they move through the woods and stuff. But, I mean, the ones that, what I saw, I mean, it was moving down that ridge at a pretty fast rate of speed. I mean, it's faster than any person I could imagine could run, especially through the woods at night

without a, you know, with, you know, just the way it was moving. But the ones that actually look like eyes, you know, seem to have intelligence behind them. I mean, I fully believe that the big foot have eye glow. I mean, that's, you know, some of the experiences I've had that, you know, I know for sure it was their eyes lit up. Yeah. I mean, not all. I mean, I don't know. It's just, it's, it just blows your mind. I mean, it's just, it's something different every time. I don't know. It's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you, man,

if I lived in that area, I would be making the smoky mountains a very, uh, frequented place. I, I'm going to be starting some new projects and stuff where I'm hoping to get back out in the woods and, and not paranormal or even Bigfoot related, more along the lines of like searching for lost history and, and even treasure in Pennsylvania. There's a lot of legends. And I'm going to start side projects, I think, doing something like that. And I'll tell you, man, if I was down in that area, the Smoking Mountains would be a definite spot for me. I would be there all the time because there's so much activity.

So I'll tell you what, Greg, man. I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing some of these experiences, man. It's been very interesting to hear. Oh, you bet. Man, any time. I enjoyed it. love your show and it's you know it's anytime i can talk bigfoot i'm i'm ready well that's the show everybody i really hope you enjoyed it and if you did enjoy it please share the show with your

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