The Confessionals - 440: High Strangeness In New Mexico

Episode Date: May 10, 2022

In Episode 440: High Strangeness in New Mexico, we are joined by Raul, who shares a multitude of stories, ranging from giants, bigfoot, and UFOs, to demons and witches getting possessed on purpose as part of their process of getting rid of evil spirits.Come meet me and lots of other speakers such as Josh Turner, Nick Redfern, Coonbo Baker, Ken Gerhard, Joedy Cook and many more at the 1st Annual Dogman/Cryptid Conference in Paris, Tennessee on Saturday, August 13th! Tickets are selling fast so get yours in the link below today!If you want to help our guest Raul raise support to fight the wildfires in New Mexico, click the provided links below. Get your tickets to the 1st Annual Dogman/Cryptid Conference: https://bit.ly/3MXCnnu New Mexico Wildfires Relief:http://FeedLasVegas.com https://www.sfreporter.com/news/2022/05/02/relief-options/ Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/join Watch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/36z3B4s SPONSORSGET Surfshark: surfshark.deals/confessionals GET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tony GET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionals GET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!! Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.com Get Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5 CONNECT WITH US Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIA Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaI TikTok: @theconfessionals Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7h Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcast Tony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficial Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcas Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel OUTRO MUSIC:Joel ThomasSpotify: https://spoti.fi/3rfKp2LApple: https://apple.co/372JpbiYouTube: https://youtu.be/UWJXf7s3L5I

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Media. One of the ladies says she's a spiritual medium that contact the spirit, gets it to attach itself to her, and then her and the other lady, take the spirit outside, and the other lady will cast the demon outside of her outside,

so the spirit leaves the house. What? Yes. And there's a video of this too on YouTube. Oh, my gosh. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it.

I saw three long, long, boning fingers. reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. It spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face.

They basically decapitate. dot prices, got 15 yards away. And I look over and there are two small gray entities pulling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yeah. Welcome to the show, everybody.

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let me just tell you real quick, we are going to the first annual dogman slash cryptid conference. That's right. Paranormal Roundtable with Josh Turner is hosting his first conference. Where is it at in my home state of Tennessee, Paris, Tennessee on August 13th. And they have a great lineup of speakers here. Let me read this through. All right. We got host Ken Gearhart. Then you have the guest speakers. Josh Turner, Ron Murphy, Nick Redfern, Bettina Moss, Steve Stockton,

Barton Nunley, Nick Valente, Jody Cook, Tony Merkel, that's me. Jay Vault Trucker, Kenny Irish, Elijah Henderson, David Weatherly, Coonbo Baker, and D.A. Roberts. That is one heck of a lineup, friends. If you want to make sure that you're invited, you got to get

tickets and the ticket link to this conference is right below the description of this episode. The tickets are selling out fast. They just went on sale the other day. They already sold 100 tickets. The VIP dinner is already sold out. They only have a few hundred more seats available and they're going like hotcakes. So if you want to get into this conference, you don't want to hesitate. Make sure you go get your tickets right now for the first annual dogman slash cryptic conference

in Paris, Tennessee on August 13th. guest speakers are myself and a lot of better people than me. You don't want to miss it, friends. Come on out. Meet me, meet the speakers and get into it with us. All right. Before we get into this week's show, we actually have the guest for this week's show on the line. Raoul, how you doing, man?

Hey, man, I'm hanging in there, brother. How you doing? I'm doing good, man. I'm doing good. So, listen, sometimes things kind of come together for the better, I would say. and I wanted to invite you on for this week's intro because we recorded this interview, what, months ago, I think it was back in September last year, 2021. And, you know, we waited and waited to put this out.

Not for any particular reason. It just was in the lineup and we were waiting to put it out and your turn came up and I contact you to say, hey, man, your show's going this week and you're like, it's crazy. it's because your stories focus around where you're at in New Mexico. And New Mexico right now is mirroring something we would call hell. It is on fire. And you're leading the charge on, you're one of the people leading the charge on relief. And I thought it would be a good idea to bring you on for the intro to let people know the guests that they're about to hear as far as the interview goes is actually raising funds to fight these fires.

I wanted to give you an opportunity to talk to the people. So I'm going to hand it over to you, my friend, tell them what they can do, what you're doing, and where they can help. Sure. First off, I just wanted to thank you and everybody that works with the confessionals for giving me this opportunity. And yeah, like you said, it's just perfect timing. You know, it was wild that you contacted me because the same day you contacted me and let me know that we were going to put this episode out. I happen to be on a political talk radio show here in New Mexico. and we were raising funds, but mostly we wanted good because we're, I mean, yes, money's good, but like right now we need supplies for these people that are out of their homes and for the

people that are on the front line and all the first responders fighting is blaze. For the listeners who aren't aware, I know you got listeners all over the world. New Mexico, northern New Mexico specifically, but there's multiple fires around our state right now. There's some in the south too, but the two biggest fires, It started with one blaze in a place called Hermit's Peak. Then the winds just have not died down here. Man, we've been in a high wind advisory, it seems like, for the past month. Like today, we have 70 mile per hour winds in that area.

So it's not doing any good to help the blaze calm down. We've got not a single drop of rain. The first fire started with a out of control prescribed burn, believe it or not. I can't believe they even try to do a prescribed burn during the state's worst drought. and also during the time when there's red flag high wind advisories it was just a total debacle by the people that even decided to do that but that's what started the first fire and then they say the second fire started from i believe a down power line but that started another fire on another mountain that's separated by a valley now the winds have merged these two fires together and these two fires together and these two fires together it's called the Cath Canyon Hermits Peak Fire is currently the largest burning fire in the United States and has many I know hundreds of people that have lost their homes right now if not thousands I mean we're talking about rural areas so like small little town small little villages but there's a town of about I don't know what Vegas is Las Vegas New Mexico by the way not Las Vegas Nevada but there's a Las Vegas New Mexico and that's probably the biggest town affected right now there's about 15,000 people somewhere around there that live there there's a university there and a historic site called the World College. It's the Armandhammer World College.

It's a castle. I don't even know if that's still there because it's in Geyas Canyon over there. So it's affecting all these people and all these communities and whole towns and villages are being evacuated, rural areas, ranchers, you know. And it's just really, it's a really bad situation and they don't think they can get control of it until sometime in July. So instead of sit back and, And, you know, my way of dealing and coping with it was get involved.

So me and my wife and some of our friends, we just started like, we're in the process of getting a nonprofit organization going ourselves. But we've just been doing it out of the goodness of our heart. Everything from people doing online orders at Walmart and we go pick it up or people sending stuff in Amazon or, you know, cash apping us funds, you know, most of it's been in state, though. So it's good to get this information out. I got a couple people I'm going to share with you.

I have a friend named Sam Coker. He runs the Castaneda Bar and restaurant over there in Las Vegas, New Mexico. It's a historical site from our state. It's a very old building, historic hotel. Probably got ghosts in there, man. It's very old right off the railroad tracks. He's running a soup kitchen. You can donate to him.

He's also feeding all the first responders and firefighters there. When they come into town to get rest and recovery, or before they go in to fight the blaze or the ones that are relieving the next cruise, he's feeding all these guys. You could go to feedlost Vegas.com. I'll send you the link. You can put it up. People can look at it.

It's all legit. This is all with, you know, in works with reputable, you know, organizations like Red Cross, Salvation Army. You know, this guy's just got the space. He's got the big kitchen. And people are coming in and eating those displays. and the first responder. So you can go to feed las vegas.com. That's one. I got another one here. It's kind of a crazy name, but I will just put the link, but I'll say it. It's a this guy works for the Salvation Army. He's spearheading. There's there's a few camps all around the state where these

people have been one camp actually got moved because that camp got evacuated. So this new ones in gloria. It's an area just outside of Santa Fe, New Mexico. And then there's some more starting up. I've heard an angel fire. up north in a place called Taos. But this guy should be able to get goods, resources, whatever you, I mean, whatever in your heart. Even if it was a single bottle of water, it makes a difference, believe it or not. But his name is Dwayne, Briseel. I believe Brezail is how he pronounces his name.

But it's D-W-A-I-N-E dot B-R-E-A-Z-E-A-L-E-U-S-W-W. Salvation Army.org. Now that's a, that's a breathful. We'll put the links up. People can look at them. If God puts it on your heart to send out a donation, it's very much appreciated. And thank you. Yeah, man, I appreciate you doing what you're doing. And that's why I wanted to kind of bring you on to stuff. Because there have been people who emailed me talking about the fires in New Mexico. And they, the one person kind of got snappy with me in an email. And they're like, why aren't you having donation links and stuff? And because I'm like, I don't know what donation link.

I'm very careful with that stuff because, you know, a lot of times you wind up saying, hey, go here. I did that in the past with something else. And it was brought to my attention very quickly that it was not a good organization, even though they say they were. And I thought they were. And so I'm very careful with that stuff. But because you are a guest on the show and the way it all worked out, I mean, with you being up this week for an interview.

And then it just, I thought, you know what? Sometimes God just kind of brings things together for a purpose. and I just feel like that's this and I know you feel the same way. So I wanted to bring you on for the intro of this interview that people are going to hear of you that were recorded last year just so you can share that information. The links are in the description below. So anybody who feels led to donate, whether it's a dollar to a bazillion trillion billions, it's much appreciated. And, you know, it's just, just follow your heart. If you don't feel like you want to donate, that's fine. But if you want to donate, just follow your heart on it and donate where you

want and how much you want friends. But let's get into this interview with Raul. Man, it's going to be awesome. And I'm excited for people to hear it. All right. Today we got Raul in the show. What's up, man? Hey, how you doing?

Man, I'm doing good. I'm doing good. We just got done chatting up and stuff. And, you know, you got me a little fired up. But we're not going to go down that path right now. You got your own personal Tony rant going there. So, but it was good conversation, man. But listen, man, you have a lot of different experiences you want to share with us and stuff.

I mean, UFO stuff, your wife's family's land, you lived with a ghost hunter. I mean, you kind of have these different experiences, and you said that you had a list of things you wanted to share in chronological order. So listen, man, I'm going to hand it over to you, let you take it away, share with us some of these things that you first started experiencing in your life. Yeah, right on, man. Well, thanks for having me first off. And yeah, you know, when I was real young, like, I don't really have anything from when I was a smaller child.

You know, my experiences with, like, weird or paranormal stuff probably started to happen around the seventh and eighth grade. And I think I kind of invited it into my life now that I look back on it. But when I was young, I didn't really, I mean, I had nightmares and stuff and nothing like crazy. But, you know, seventh eighth grade, I'm 43 years old. So this is like 1990. I had a best friend, man. We'd always like, you know, stay the night at each other's houses and especially summer vacations, you know, I was always either at his house or he was at my house.

And, you know, when the parents are at work on long summer vacations during the days, you get into things you shouldn't get into and, you know, just being naughty kids that we were being at the time, you know. And I remember we watched this movie. I don't know if you remember this movie Witchboard. I think that's what it was called is like a story about a movie about a woman that played with the Ouija board by herself. And at first, like, it would do, like, nice things for her.

Like, it helped her find her lost wedding ring. And, you know, and then it turned, like, bat on her, you know? And me and my buddy watched this movie. And I was like, my mom has one of those things. And I was talking about the Ouija board, right? And he was like, she does. And I was like, yeah, it's in her closet. I was like, dude, let's mess with it.

And he was like, yeah, you know, like, awesome, dude, let's do it. you know, just bored kids, you know. So I went in my mom's closet, you know, didn't have her permission to go through her stuff or anything, but I went and got this Ouija board. And this isn't like a typical Ouija board either, man. It's like, the only way I could explain this Ouija board was like it was handmade almost. It was like a plank of wood and somebody had like literally burned. Like, you know, you need to do wood carvings and you burn.

Yeah. They burned like the whole, the whole thing on the Ouji board. But it had it all, you know, with the sun and the moon and the yes and the no and the numbers and the letters. and, you know, it had this old, like, wooden little triangular plank that they made with, like, velvet on the bottom. And, you know, me and my friends started messing with this thing. And we didn't even know how to use it. We were just, like, imitating what we were seeing in the movie because it kind of shows her putting her fingers on it and, like, circling it around and asking it questions. So we would just start out, like, doing that, you know.

And, you know, the first time or two that we did it, because we messed with this thing a few times, like I didn't notice anything right off the bat, you know, and we were kind of like, well, this ain't, nothing's happening, you know, like, I don't know what we were expecting to happen, but I remember we had a sleepover and some other kids came over, some other kids from school, and there was like a bunch of us, like, there was like four or five kids in my house that night, and we were messing with it, and we were asking it different questions, and I remember one of my friends, I didn't even know he was, he was Jewish, you know, And this thing, the board started saying like really like offensive, nasty stuff, you know?

And I don't want to sound like offend anybody. But like the Ouija board told my friend he's going to burn in an oven. And my friend like started to cry. And he was like, you guys, that's not funny. Like don't mess with me like that. Like he's like, I've never told you guys that my family's Jewish. And like, why are you guys doing this? If this is a joke, you guys are sick.

like what's wrong with you and me and my friends were like dude like we didn't even know like so that was the first weird thing that happened with the Ouija board and then like uh my friend started getting hauntings at his house and i remember he told me a story that uh he had this little dog and the back of his house actually his bedroom was a sliding glass door to go to the outside to the back yard and it had like Venetian blinds and they were high off the ground like Like you'd have to be like, you know, a full-sized adult to reach on top of them. You know what I mean? With your hand.

And he says that he was sleeping in his bed one night and he was hearing voices come through his vent. And he heard like an evil voice that said, 9-1-1. That's what he told me. That's creepy. And that, yeah. And he said he went and got his little brother out of his room and made him come sleep in his room with him. and that when they woke up in the morning, all his dog's toys, because he had like a doggie door to go outside for his little,

he had like a Shih Tzu, and the thing would just go in and out, you know, through that doggie door. And it was in the sliding glass door in his room. And he said when he woke up, all of his dog's squeak toys were lined up on top of the Venetian blinds. And he said,

well, his little brother couldn't do it because he's too short. He'd have to pull out a chair to stand up there to do it. He asked his mom. And his mom looked at him like, like, are you crazy? Like, of course not. Why would I go in your room and put all of Tiffy's, that was the name of his dog, all of her toys on the top of your blinds? And he didn't do it.

And nobody else was in the house. So it was kind of like, okay, that's weird. And then I just remember, too, like I started getting, you know, really bad, like night terrors, you know, like ones where you're, like, frozen in your sleep. and like you're a little kid so you put the covers over you and uh and you're scared to peep out the covers like just really like wicked intense dreams i was hearing like things move around in my house and like you know in rooms when nobody was there so yeah that was like my first really starting to like encounter things that you would call paranormal and i just remembered one day you know me and kyle talking about this stuff we're like dude that thing's evil we need to get rid of it

And we went and, because every time we pull it out, I'd always make sure to like try to put it back and stash it in my mom's closet, like where we found it, you know, so she didn't know we were messing with her stuff. And we took it and we got baseball bats and we took it to the desert wash because we lived, we were living in, I was living in Phoenix, Arizona and there was a big empty like desert wash on the other side of, they were like patio homes and there was a brick wall. And on the other side, there's like an alloyal or like a creek, you know, that the rainwater runs down. And we took it down in there. We got Ronsano lighter fluid and baseball bats. And we beat the crap out of the thing until it splintered. We sprayed it with lighter fluid and we lit it on fire. And I remember my mom found out, oh, man, she let me have it.

And what was funny, though, too, is like my mom now, she's like really active in the Baptist church. and she sings in the choir. And so it would be even funny that back then my mom even had something like that, you know what I mean? Like reflecting back on it. So that'd be the first thing that experience with paranormal. And then in eighth grade, we had these other brothers. So this is like 1991 probably.

They're Stephen Jim, Antinini brothers. And everybody knew like that their house was haunted, or at least that's what all the kids. would say, and these kids, like, their parents were kind of like parents that were always gone. So, like, it was like a party house, you know. And, like, all the kids would, like, go to their house and, like, have parties and stuff. But everybody would always say that house was haunted. And one night, there was, like, four or five of us, you know, kids in the house.

And we're, like, in the, there was, like, a living room area. And then there was, like, a kitchen countertop that had, like, bar stools. And then on the other side of that, like your stove in the sink and the refrigerator. And me and Jim, which is the younger brother, we were like making macaroni and cheese, I think. And my other friend Kevin was sitting in the bar stool. And there was a sliding glass door to go outside, you know, by where he was sitting in the bar stools. And then my other two friends were sitting on the couch. And we're just talking and having fun.

And they had one of those old radios where, you know, you spin the dial and the thing, you know, that's how you change the radio station by spinning the dial. Yeah. And this thing, we were listening to like the hip hop radio station of the time or whatever it was on. And this thing just starts like freaking going haywire and like it's like moving to different stations. And we're like, who the hell's messing with that? And we look and like nobody's even standing by the radio. It's doing it on its own. And then my friend Kevin just jumps up out of that bar stool and he like, slams his hands on the countertop.

And he's all, look! And, like, me and Jim, like, come from around the kitchen countertop because we're, like, at the stove. And he points towards the glass, the sliding glass door. And I swear, dude, it looked like, you know, like, when you throw a rock in water and how it kind of ripples, the glass, like, did this weird, like, ripply looking thing. I don't know if it was just an illusion or if it was, like, a reflection. but it looked like something rippled across the glass.

And then from behind us, there was a hallway going to like another like front living room den area. But it was all the lights were turned off. And this freaking huge, I mean like volleyball, not volleyball, like a beach ball shaped orb, light orb comes flying down that dark hallway and then just goes into the wall. And as soon as this thing like absorbed into the wall, like three doors up. stairs shut. Like, I get the chills right now even thinking about it. And like all of us, his parents weren't home. Nobody else was home. All of us were downstairs. Dude, we all screamed. We jumped up. We ran outside the house. And like, I remember the Antony brothers, they were like laughing about it. You know, they thought it was funny. But they lived there. So they,

I guess they kind of got used to this thing or whatever. But like everybody, we were all freaked out. I was freaked out. And I was like, I'm not going back in your house, dude. And they had like a, they had like a community swimming pool area where they, lived. And I remember I slept on like a beach cot that they had at the swimming pool because I didn't want to go back to their house. And I had another friend that stayed the night there that left home crying that he said a spirit was calling his name. And he called his mom and dad at like 2 o'clock in the morning and made him go pick him up. And so those were those were my first couple like experiences with things out of the norm. And then I go quite a few years and like nothing

crazy happens. And then in 2008, I lost my, uh, lost my dad. And, uh, it was like the week of his death, maybe like four or five days afterwards. And, you know, I was taking it pretty hard at the time. I was hitting the bottle pretty hard. And, uh, you know, I had a, an older lady friend, you know, not a girlfriend or anything, just a, an older lady that was really nice, that was a really good friend, especially during that time. And, and she would look out for me and she was making sure, that I would eat meals because, you know, when you're drinking and stuff, you know, I really didn't even feel like eating. So she would, like, bring me food and she'd be like, here, you need to eat. And I remember we were sitting. So the way my dad's property was, because I was living in his property

because I took it over. I, like, I lived with him while he was sick up until he, like, died. And then when he passed away, like, I stayed at that property for a few years until me and my brother eventually ended up selling the property. But, you know, I was, the way that it was set up, there was a house in the front and then my dad had like like his own little studio apartment that he built in the backyard my grandma lived in the front house and my dad lived in that studio apartment in the back so when he passed away i took over that like studio apartment in the backyard and uh i had at the time i was renting the the front house to some other people and so we me and my friend comes over my lady friend laverne she comes over and you know she brings me food we're eating we're drinking

and I'm listening to my dad's old music, and my dad was really into, like, country music, like, you know, the good old stuff. And I was playing one of his cassette tapes, you know, and just reminiscing. And we were sitting in the backyard, and on the side of the front house, there's a security light. So if somebody walked by, it,

it would trigger this light to turn on. And, you know, sometimes, like a stray cat or something would trigger the light to go off. So the fact that it turned on by itself wasn't weird, but what ended up happening was, But it was weird. We were sitting there. And I was sitting, so I had like a screen door with the door open.

And the music was playing and we were sitting in these benches that I had in my backyard. And the security light went off on the side of the house. So I thought maybe somebody was coming through the back gate. And I heard the back gate open and shut because it was on a spring. So it would swing itself shut even if you didn't turn around to close the gate behind you. So the light goes off. I hear the gate creak open. and then slammed shut.

And I'm sitting there waiting for somebody to come through the door or, you know, come through the sideway of the house and emerge into the backyard. And nobody's coming. So I was like, oh, maybe it's a cat is what my first thing. Like, oh, it's a stray cat or something. And me and my friend LeVern were sitting there. And then all of a sudden I just see a shadow come across the fence. And it was a pretty tall wooden fence separating my neighbor's yard.

And I swear, man, it was the shadow, like, of my dad. He always wore a baseball cap, you know. He had, like, a pretty, like, a thick beard. And, you know, in the silhouette of the shadow, it was a man with a baseball hat and, like, a full beard. You know, if you have a full beard, like, it hangs off your chin. You know what I mean? It was like this shadow profile.

And it just walked by, like, real quick, maybe a second or two. And then just disappeared. And I was like, and my friend was like, I was like, what the? Like, I was totally, like, didn't even realize what was going on. And my friend was, like, I think that was your dad. And, yeah, so that was a, that was pretty wild little experience. And that happened, like, you know, like four or five days after he passed away.

Never had any other, well, you know, besides some confirmation that he was, like, saying hi to me from the other side, like random things would come on the TV or radio that would, I'd be like, ha, that's my dad, you know what I mean? but that experience right there was like definitely uh strange but but like a cool strange yeah and then uh this is where like things really start to get like ramping up for me man like like i started getting some really intense like uh like more and more like intense uh paranormal stuff happening to me and it started with this UFO experience i'm going to that happened in uh the summer of 2009 and um the summer of 2009 and

I've always been like, let me backtrack a little bit, I've always kind of been intrigued by like the occult and like I had a friend that, you know, when 9-11 happened, like he got me into conspiracy theories and, you know, we started researching the Illuminati and secret societies and freemasons and, you know, I watched videos that Alex Jones did on the Bohemian Grove and, you know, I lived right across from a library and I used to go rent books and, you know, somebody told me read the book of Enoch and, you know, I think the, that alien show that's real popular, it's first started coming out, you know, around that time. So I'd watch those. And I was just really fascinated by the whole phenomenon of like secret societies and the occult and like paranormal

stuff intrigued me. And I don't know if I like opened up Pandora's box, but this is just my personal feeling. I think like those spirits, you know, when you're looking at, into that stuff, you know what I mean? And you start to open yourself spiritually to have these experiences, you know? And I remember reading stuff and I would be like, you know, I was kind of inviting something to happen to me because I'd be like, well, I want to see something like that. You know, I want to experience something like that. And man, sure enough, I started having these experiences and it started out 2009 came house. So like I told you, we had the front house that I was renting out. At the time, it was my cousin and his girlfriend and her kids, and I was living

in the apartment in the back, and I got off of work, and it was like late in the summer, so, you know, the sun goes down like 9 o'clock or whatever, and I got off of work like 7.30, 8 o'clock. I went home. I had some beer. I had knocked on the front house, and I told my cousin, we called him Puma funny story, because he actually got jumped by some kids, and they kicked him in the head with a Puma shoe and he had the imprint of a Puma his head after he got he got jumped. So he'll tell you it's because he's really fast

but the real story is he got kicked in the head with a Puma shoe and ever since that he was Puma. So I was with my cousin Puma who was running the front house and we're sitting in those because I know it sounds bad but I stole from the Carnegie Library that was across the street. They didn't have this park

bench like chained down and me and my friends when we were drunk one day we moved one of those benches into my backyard and that's where we'd always hang out and sit on those benches and drink beer and, you know, drink whiskey and listen to music and party in my backyard. So it's like 8 o'clock at night, you know, and I go knock on the door, Puma comes out, and me and him are sitting on the benches outside. So it's starting, like the sun's starting to go down, but it's not down yet. And I'm sitting on the opposite side of the table from him, and he's sitting facing the other

direction. And I don't know if I guess it would be I was facing east and he was facing. west, but either way. This is in a place called Las Vegas, New Mexico. So it's a smaller town. Yes, there is a Las Vegas, New Mexico, by the way, the original Las Vegas, older than Las Vegas, Nevada. Really weird place, by the way. You'll hear more about this soon, but this is when it starts to get weird. So I'm facing the opposite direction in this town. It's a smaller town in like a lot of the houses in this town are like the old Victorian-style home. So it's a really popular place for them to go shoot movies. I don't know if you know, like, New Mexico is like a big, the film shooting industry right now because they film out here tax-free, so all these

studios are moving to New Mexico. And actually, I currently, my last position was working with one of these shows pretty cool, but it's a real popular town that they shoot in, because there's a lot of history here, there's a lot of old Victorian homes, there's these giant elm trees that line the streets. It's like a really cool looking, you know, if any of your people listen to the podcast, want to see the town, watch the original Red Dawn movie. That's where it was filmed. It's not in a place in Colorado. It's actually in that town in New Mexico. So, and the beginning scenes, the library that I used to live across from. So back to the experience, I'm sitting facing the other direction. And behind my house, there's an alley and then the house is on the other side,

but these elm trees are really big that lie in the streets, you know, they're, they go up higher than the houses themselves. And, you know, obviously you could see the trees through the gaps in the houses. And I'm sitting there. And I remember because there's a lake. There's a place called Story Lake that's on the other side of town. And it's not uncommon that you see migrating birds flying over the town that are going to that lake. And I just remember because I wasn't expecting to see anything.

I saw something out the corner of my eye to the right. And at first, I was like, well, there's a flock of Canadian geese flying in a V. formation. That's what I thought. And then I noticed it wasn't moving. And something told me, you turn your head and look. And I turned my head and I look at this thing. And lo and behold, I can't even believe it, man. There's a freaking UFO like hovering on what would be the opposite street from the behind the alley, from behind the houses that are that are from me and where the trees are, you know, down the street a little bit, there's a freaking UFO, like a like a V-shaped UFO. And like I said, it's just starting to get dark. So I noticed they had like these red,

reddish, yellow, orange lights and they look like colds in a fire, you know, like it didn't look like a typical light that was just red or just yellow or just orange. Like they were like, it was like pulsating these colors. And I freaking, I, I, I had a glass beer. I stood up and I threw my beer and it hit the river rocks in my backyard and shattered everywhere. And I grabbed the table of the bench and I said, there's a bleeping UFO. And my cousin Puma's like stands up like quickly and he's all, what? Where?

And I like grabbed him because he's facing the other direction. By the shoulders from the other side of the table, I turned him around and I point at it. And I was all, look, and he saw, what the is that? And then right when he said that, this thing like raises up, like, hovering, and it goes to like a higher elevation, because it was pretty low. And it goes to a higher elevation and then just, just zooms like nothing you've ever seen before. And me and him were both like, what? did we just see what we saw? Like, we're tripping out, dude.

And, like, I'm asking him, so what did you see? What did you see? And he explains the same, and I was like, that's what I saw. I'm like, oh, my God, like, dude, we're not tripping, are we? His girlfriend comes out, the front house at this time. She comes to the backyard, you know, to check on us. And we're talking about this thing we just saw. And she starts laughing at us.

And she's like, oh, you guys, what did you take? Are you guys on shrooms? You know, like, you guys are stools? stupid, like, you must think I'm silly. And then while she's out there making fun of this, all of a sudden, in another part of the sky, those things pop out. And then they just start doing all these crazy, like, I've seen videos on, like, YouTube and a lot of videos on, like, paranormal con on camera of, like, orbs, like, you know, like a bunch of them showing up, and then they fly and start doing different formations. And that's what this thing, that's what it was

doing. It would, like, pop out and you'd see, like, four, and then you'd see, like, six. And then it'd make like a circle and then it'd go back to a V and then it would just shoot across the sky. And then like, and it just kept happening. And it was happening in different parts of the sky. And so this is in 2009 and I didn't even think at the time. I didn't even have a cell phone at this time. I was living in a small town. I still had a landline.

My cousin Puma had, I think it was like whatever Blackberry phone was out at that time. And then finally, like, I told him like, dude, like try to try to get some pictures of this thing. like, you know, try to film it, you know? And we would stand. Like, I would stand one direction. He'd stand one direction and his girlfriend would stand another direction because it would pop out in different parts of the sky and whoever would see it, we'd all turn to what they were looking at. My neighbor, I guess, hears us from his yard. And he leans, he comes over the fence and he's all, what the heck are you guys doing, dude? He's like, I can hear you. And we're like, dude, there's UFOs. And he's like, what? And he's like, no way. We're like, come here, man, like stand here with us. And sure enough, dude, they start popping out again and he sees them. I get on the phone. I call my other friend. We called him Paffa. I called this dude and he lives down the street. He comes running over in my house. He ends up seeing it. So there's a little UFO watch party going on in my backyard. I don't know how long this lasted like 30 to 45 minutes. I even got on the phone at the time and I remember, you know, I had to use a phone book because I didn't have a

smartphone and I like called like the local Albuquerque news station which is the major city in New Mexico you know and I was telling them dude I was like do you guys got any like camera crews out here in Las Vegas New Mexico I was like we're out here and we're seeing UFOs and I remember like the people on the phone like we're like yeah I'm sure pal you know it's kind of the attitude I got from them and they were like well why don't you just get some like video footage of it and we'll look at it and if it looks good maybe we'll use it and they kind of they just wrote me off you know and I was like well you know like whatever you know go went back and it eventually it just stopped happening and uh I remember my my neighbor Carlos the guy that came over the fence was like he's like

what the hell was that man he's like he was mind blown we were all mind blown you know this is the first time I've ever seen anything like this all of us you know and we're back there talking I mean we it was a crazy conversation we're having and I just remember my neighbor was like man he's like he was like an atheist he didn't believe you know he didn't believe He's one of those people. I have to see it to believe it. And I remember him saying that night, he's like, dude, he's like, this rocked my world. I'm going to go back home.

And he's like, I'm going to pray with my family. And he's like, pray, dude, you don't even believe in God, you know? So, I mean, it really shook him up too, you know. So that was the first experience that I had with UFOs and not the last. That's crazy. So this really sends me. Yeah. So this really sends me into like, okay, like I know, and dude, these weren't drones.

They weren't planes. They weren't helicopters. Like, I used to work EMS. You know, there are like medical flights that go back and forth between, you know, small winged aircraft and helicopters that fly people from rural areas to the city for treatment. It wasn't anything like that. It wasn't anything. I mean, if the military has stuff like this, bro, then they must be working with extraterrestrial. because this thing like defied physics, you know, and the way it moved and it was weird.

Like, so that sends me on this, okay, man, I'm like, I'm really digging into this stuff now, you know? So like I said, my, my, um, searching and my digging starts getting more enhanced and deeper. And, uh, I remember I started really researching at this time. I was really researching the Masons. And there's a big history, like old history in this town. It's like one of the oldest towns in northern New Mexico has a lot of history. Supposedly they used to hang people in the elm trees in the plaza downtown, like criminals and, and, you know, like cattle thieves.

Billy the kid has a history in this town. Like this town has a lot of like old New Mexican history. And supposedly, no, not supposedly, there is underground tunnels in this town that go from the Plaza Hotel. they run underground to the old, one of the old Catholic churches and underground to a Masonic temple. And during Halloween in this town, they open those things up and they let people,

uh, run around in them during Halloween time. So I was like into researching like the masons and all this stuff. And, and I remember there was a, where the, the Masonic lodge wasn't too far from my house. And I,

there used to be this bar called Dix that was, you know walking distance from my house but i'd have to walk past this mason lodge to get to it to the street that it was on and one night i would you know i'd walk because i didn't want to drink and drive and it was a short enough walk for me to to walk home so one night i go out and i have a few drinks and i'm walking by myself to my house and this is when i'm researching all this stuff and you know i don't know if you you know about molek and they burn this giant effigy of a of an owl in northern woods of California. Yep.

And supposedly like Molek can be like a bull or an owl. I don't really understand how it works, but they do supposed mock human sacrifices to him and say these like these satanic prayers where they wash away their cares. And it's like the world elite go to these things. And like it's like a secret. And, you know, Alex Jones did a thing on it back in the day. And, you know, I was like into that stuff. And it was funny because I'm walking.

And I would have never known this thing was there. it made its presence known to me, but I'm walking down the street at the nighttime. And right on top of the Mason Lodge, first I hear this, boon, bro, br-br-l. And I was like, and I turned my head and I look, and there's a huge owl, man. And he's sitting on top of the Mason Lodge. And I'm thinking in my head, ha, ha, that's hilarious, dude. Like, what a coincidence, dude.

You know what I mean? That's what I'm thinking. So I walked further down the street. I turned the corner and then there's this old Sablemat gas station that had like one of those old school old school gas signs where they, you know, put the numbers for the price of gas on, you know. And then when I'm walking past that, he's sitting on top of the sign at Sable Matt. Boo, blue, blue, like hooting and making noise at me. So I'm like, I'm starting to get creeped out, you know what I mean? and I keep walking down the street.

And at this point, I'm on the street that I live on. And like I said, I lived across from a Carnegie Library, and there's a bunch of big trees on that park. And I get close to my house. And then he's in the trees at the library. And he's hooting at me. And I remember, man, I'd like, once I got to, like, where my yard was, I like, turned, hit, hit that side gate, went to my room,

my studio and locked it up and was like, what the heck was that all about? It like creeped me out, you know? I had a hard time sleeping that night. It was just like really weird. Like it wasn't normal. That's not normal activity like of an animal. You know what I mean? And that wasn't my first experience with them, but with owls, you know. The girl that I was dating at the time, this is probably a few months later. And same thing. I was with her brother who was at the of time going through nursing school. And me and him, she used to always tell us, like, can you guys stop watching those videos? Like, I'm tired of it.

I don't want to hear that stuff. She's like, it gives me bad vibes. Like, you know, she would get mad when we'd watch these videos. But her brother, I got him all into this stuff. And we were watching videos about, like, Bohemian Grove and, like, secret societies. And, like, I go outside. And it was like, we paused the video on the laptop. And I go outside.

and right on the telephone pole, right outside of her apartment is this giant owl. And I'm like, okay, like, I'm creeped out. Like immediately, I'm like, okay, this is weird. Like, now you're over here. Like, and it's dead, like, staring right at me. And I have my back, like, I'm by the front door. I have my back to the door. I have a beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other.

And I'm looking at this thing. And I was like, okay, like, I'm not going to let this thing spook me. I put my beer down. I switch my cigarette to my left hand. I lean down. I pick up a rock from the front area, like right off the sidewalk. And I whizz this thing at this owl. I throw a rock at it.

And I've never thrown a rock at a bird or a wild animal. And it doesn't take off or fly away or scurry off, you know. This thing, this rock that I picked up, I mean, it was right by this thing's head. And it did it flinch or move a bit? And I was like, at that point, I didn't even turn my back to it. I slowly extinguished my cigarette and I walked into my back to the wall and I opened the door from behind my back and I went in the house and close the door watching this thing the whole time. I go to the room where my girlfriend at the time is sleeping, and I'm like, or she was laying down,

I don't know if she was asleep yet. And I'm like, I'm like, hey, hey, look outside. Look outside. Like, there's a giant owl outside. And she's like, and then she looks out the window and she tells me, she, quote from her, she's all, you need to stop with that shit. Like, you're, whatever you're doing, you need to stop.

So, um, Yeah, that was pretty odd with the owls. And then I'm assuming you didn't stop, though. I'm assuming you didn't stop. Oh, no, no, man. So it intensifies from here. So I move to because I kind of started doing bad in that town. And, you know, it's a small town.

So it's kind of like boring. And so I was drinking a lot. And, you know, like there's other things that go on in that town. And I saw a lot of my friends doing bad. And I was like, you know, I had an uncle tell me, like, you need to get out of here and change your life. and you're really smart. You should go to school and do this and do that.

You know, I did have kids. Yeah. And I was like, okay, well, you know, I need to get my life straight. You know what I mean? Because I'm not being the best version of myself and you're right. And so I decided, you know, me and my brother put the house on the market and I moved to Albuquerque, New Mexico. I stayed a short stint on my family's land where eventually I end up having more weird experiences down the road when I go back there. But, you know, I stayed like a little stint.

like a little stint like six months in like a little cabin house like in the woods in northern New Mexico and it was the best thing for me because I was disconnected from everybody and it gave me time to to you know read the Bible and reflect on what was important and get myself clean and I would wake up in the morning and there would be a herd of elk in front of my house and you know it really brought me back to reality and then after that in 2012 I moved back to Albuquerque New Mexico and it gets crazy again stuff starts getting crazy so you know I was in this like underground hip hop group that, you know, me and my buddies were recording music and we were doing shows in downtown Albuquerque at the time.

And my buddy that I was living with, it was his house. He was getting into ghost hunting. And he had bought all this equipment, you know, it was like an EVP machine and some handheld recorder that he said was really. good for picking up phenomenon. And then he had like infrared cameras and spirit box and I don't know, like all this stuff that he was buying. I was like, dude, you're crazy. You know what I mean?

Like, like, I'm not getting down with all that. Like, you're out there, you know. But I was living with them. And, you know, he showed me this, this weird book too that he had. And like, he really was like going all in and this stuff. And he had this book. And I call it a tone. this thing is not even a book. It's like this really old, like it had a big Mason symbol on it. It was like from the early 1900s. And I wish I could remember what it was called. And it had like all the world's religions in it. And then it had like like different parts of the book. And he wouldn't let anybody look at this thing. And he said it was worth like, I don't know, like thousands of dollars, this, this tomb that he had. And he had got it from this Ross Thafarian is what he told me. And he let me look at it one time. And it had like how to summon Dean.

and how to make citrical circles and what elements to put in the circles and and and and different you know, prayers to chant. Yeah, it was a weird book. And I specifically remember the page I opened up to, I'll never forget it. It was like Mephistophiles, I think he was called. And it showed how you could summon Mephistopheles. And he looked like Yoda from Star Wars, the little, you know, drawing that they had depicted in this book. It was like really weird. And so he was into this stuff deep, you know, and he's contacting people at Facebook on this time, you know, like trying to get people to houses to go investigate or places that are haunted. And so he joins these communities on Facebook or whatever, and he's contacting people and he gets a message from this guy and this guy's like,

oh, I got a house for you, buddy. And so he tells me to go with him because he's got a lot of expensive equipment and this was in a really, really bad neighborhood in Albuquerque, like, you know, in old Albuquerque down by the train tracks, a lot of drugs and gangs in this area. And he's like, bro, he's like, don't make me go by myself, man. He's like, I just want to go do the initial investigation, check it out.

And then we'll go back later with more people and we'll do the full blown thing. So I go with him to this. And there's actually, I could probably find that. I think that it still posts us somewhere on YouTube on his old channel, like the original walkthrough that we did. and so I'll send you a link to that after we talk or whatever.

And we show up at this place and it's on this property and it's an abandoned house from this guy and his family own this property. And there's other houses in the back by the train tracks that nobody lives in anymore. They're abandoned. They're run down. You know, the windows are broken out. The floors are dilapidated. You know, it's just, it's like looks like an old rundown. abandoned house. And the guy that his family still lived in the front property said they've erected

fences and done all kinds of stuff to try to keep vagrants from going in there. But, you know, people, like the homeless people were going in there, squatting in there. He said people, like, there was evidence that somebody was cooking meth in there. Like, there was satanic stuff written on the wall. There was clothes of garlic, like hanging from the ceiling. There was, like, stuff that people had just left behind. And he's telling us to school. of this house and supposedly a couple people have died at that house one guy was a gang member got shot in the face like on the front porch and then uh another guy committed suicide in that house and there's still like blood on the wall where you could see from where this guy had done this to

himself and then after that nobody lived in that house anymore and it just got run down so he's telling us the story. We're walking through this house. And there's a thick pile of dirt and dust on the floor. So as you're walking around the house, you can see your footprints, you know? And all of a sudden on the floor starts appearing blood, like fresh blood. And me and my friend that brought me there were like, okay, dude, like, this isn't funny. Like, where's the fake blood? Like, you. you're dripping this on the floor, aren't you? And he's all, no, man, I swear, dude, I'm not messing with you. He's like, no, because we walked, because I don't know if it was me who walked through it first, or I think it was the guy that took us there walked through it. And we noticed it smear on the floor. And, you know, so my friend's like trying to ask him, like, hey, bro, don't be, like

bullshitting us. Like, if you're doing this, dude, come clean. Like, this isn't, this isn't funny. Like, we're here legitimately trying to, like, capture real stuff. Like, don't be messing with us. And he's all, dude, I swear, I'm not doing that. And he empties the contents of his pockets. And he's like, we put the camera on him.

And so I'm like, okay, well, maybe I have a bloody nose or maybe I got caught on a nail or something. And somebody's dripping blood. So we're looking at each other, like, where is this coming from? You know, there's no evidence of an animal that just ran through because you know what I mean? We're like, where is this blood coming from? And I didn't want to touch it. But my friend with the camera goes down and he touched. it and sure enough it smears across the floor and there's like little droplets of blood

just appearing on the floor. I don't know, the weirdest thing. And it was like late fall getting into winters at this point. And I remember like it was so cold in that house, not to mention just all the weird stuff we saw on the wall, all the weird artifacts in there. You know, oh, and then another thing it said on the wall, it said derail, like D-Hifin rail. Be careful out there. So one of my older brother's name is Daryl. And I've never heard anybody else with this nickname, but he calls himself D. Rail. And for this freaking writing to be on the wall, D. Rail, be careful out there, was like, how is this even possible? I've never even heard that name anywhere.

And now it's on that wall in this haunted house that we're at, you know, next to 666 and pentagrams everywhere. Like, I was like, huh, that's funny, you know. and oh we capture voice phenomenon like uh they're my friend on the on the camera you know picks up this voice with his box he's all are there any spirits in here that want to make their presence known and this little voice comes to and it says i already told you my god wow like yeah and you can hear it on the audio recording it's pretty it's a pretty good recording like uh i'll try to track down the video on youtube and hopefully the whole thing's still up i don't know i don't know don't talk to this friend anymore. It's kind of sad, but, you know, he's, you know, that's something

else. But, yeah, the last time I looked, I did find, I had to do some digging, but I did find it on his old YouTube, YouTube channel. So I'll share that with you. So anyways, I do that initial investigation with him, and we leave home. And like I said, it was brutally cold. I wasn't really dressed. I wasn't prepared for this and started getting dark while we're there. We finally leave. He tells me, I'm going back, man. That place is awesome. And he's pumped up because he found a real hum. haunted house, right? And so he gets a group of people on Facebook, and he goes back and he does an investigation. I don't go with him for the second one. At this point, I'm like, dude, that was enough for me. Like, that place creep me out. I don't want to go back. I don't want to have nothing to do with it.

I go home. I talk to one of my cousins, she's like, put black salt around your windows, and burn sage and light a Jesus candle and put holy water on your belongings and wash your your shoes and she's telling me all this stuff to do to like cleanse myself spiritually because like by this point I'm starting with all the stuff I've researched I I'm kind of figuring that you know these spirits can follow you around so I wanted to make sure I was protected well my buddy he didn't do any of that I think he was like he was rogue he was like thinking he was like you know mr macho and I'm gonna like tackle this paranormal world it's kind of just how his attitude was he had that kind of bravado to him, you know what I mean?

And like, oh, there ain't nothing that can hurt me. I'm fine, you know. And well, something followed us home because we started having weird stuff happening in that house, man. I had two different friends, you know, that stopped staying the night at our house because we were recording music and stuff and we'd stay up late and have different people at the house and people just couch or cratch on the couch, you know? And a couple friends had said,

they seen this entity that looked like a distorted witch and it was like a ghostly entity like white smoke and mist and two different people not the same person described almost the same thing they were sleeping on that couch they woke up from a dead sleep in sheer terror and this thing materialized through the front door flew directly at their face and right when it was about to hit them just banished in the thin air. And me, myself, too, like, one day I was sitting in the front and I was watching YouTube and nobody was there at the house at the time and I was watching a documentary on YouTube about aliens and it got into this whole thing, at least this specific documentary got into

like, you know, that gray aliens are demons from hell. And it was talking about their fallen angels that fell with Lucifer. And right when this documentary on the TV mentioned Lucifer, like I just heard like one of the cabinets in the kitchen like just slam with so much force. And like glasses and a bowl fell out of the like off the cabinet next to it. And like onto the kitchen countertop and broke. And we had a pit bull. She came running from whatever part of the house she was in.

and she just zoomed herself right underneath my legs. And I remember I was so freaked out. I didn't even want to get up off the couch and go in the kitchen. I was so scared to go see what was in there. I didn't see anything, but like there's nothing to explain like that would happen, you know, how that would happen. And I called my buddy and I was telling him,

hey, man, like I was telling him what just happened. And he kind of laughed at me. And I was like, bro, this ain't funny, bro. Like, I'm just freaked out. And then the last couple crazy, things that happened at that house and I'll move on to something else. But one night he was sleeping in his room and I was in my own room and he gets me up. I don't even know what time it is. And I know it sounds cliche, but it's probably like three, four o'clock in the morning, you know, the witching hour,

whatever. He's in his room and he comes out to me and he tells, he knocks on my door and he's all, come here, come here. He's all, bro, there's something oozing out of my wall above my bed. And I'm like, yeah, right, dude. And I go in his room and like, that same kind of looking stuff, but it was kind of a different color. It almost had a purple color to it as well. Like this freaking stuff was like oozing out of his wall above his bed. And like I don't know from further research, like when you have paranormal activity and spirits are like manifesting himself.

I've heard like the Ghostbusters talk about ectoplasm. Like as we eventually kind of thought maybe that was like later on we thought, maybe that was like ectoplasm. And he told me that he was having a nightmare with a dark entity in a cloak that was choking him. And he said he was trying to wake himself up, but he couldn't. He was battling this thing in his sleep, but he said it felt so real like he was really being choked, that he woke up out of breath. But he said as this thing was choking him, he said that he was trying to cry out to God.

And this thing was mocking him telling him, your faith is not strong and was just choking the crap out. him. And he said he just continued to cry to God and eventually this thing let up. And then he woke up and that stuff is coming out of his wall. So, you know, this ends up scaring him. So he ends up having two white witches that he found on Facebook once again, come over to the house and do a cleansing. And when they first came over, I was there the first time. One of them ladies was a spiritual medium that says, so they travel into, I guess, these two ladies. And they were older, probably like in their late 50s, early 60s. And one of the ladies says she's, a spiritual medium that contact the spirit, gets it to attach itself to her, and then her and the other lady take the spirit outside, and the other lady will cast the demon outside of her outside

so the spirit leaves the house. What? Yes. And there's a video of this too on YouTube. Oh my gosh. Yeah, and the lady starts, this is what, I'm getting excited here. So check this out.

So she's walking around the house and the one lady And without us telling her, she said there is a very strong witch in this house. Spirit of a witch. And what did my buddies say they saw? A witch fly through the door at their face. So I'm like totally like, okay. Like this is super creepy. So they leave.

They plan on like coming back and doing this exorcism or what, you know, of the house or whatever. And my buddy was like, oh, I'm going to record this. This is going to be good. And I happened to be going on a date that night. And this was my first date with this girl that I was going on. And like she ends up showing up in my house and he's two, I don't want to be. But they were odd. They were otter women, you know.

They lived a lifestyle. Most people don't live. You know, obviously if they're doing stuff like this, you know. And but they were nice. They were super nice ladies. They show up and like this girl meets me. And he was like, do you guys want to hang out and watch this? And I was like, yeah, do you want me to have this person like,

leave here, like terrified. Like, no, thank you. I'm going to leave the house. So he goes and he does this thing with these ladies and there's a video of it. He takes them outside. And one of the ladies, they have the camera on her with night vision because it's at night in this front yard. And it's funny too because

you see our neighbors, which we partied a lot at that house, so they probably thought we were crazy anyways. He's got these two older ladies in front of his house. They're splashing this woman with holy water and they have crosses out and this lady's freaking out. She rips her shirt off. She doesn't expose her breasts, but she does get like rips down to her

bra. And she screams in the camera while he's saying the Our Father prayer. And she looks dead in the camera and she goes, your father is not in heaven. He's in hell. And like they do this whole thing on camera with this lady and supposedly to exercise this demon out of her. By the end of the video, she's rolling around in the grass. And so, supposedly, supposedly though, the lady said, yeah, the spirit attaches itself to her and the, it left. So I didn't stay at that house too much longer after that. Yeah. Like I said, I was, I was getting more involved in my kid's life. And, and I was, you know, I was going to school and, and I was headed towards a career. And I was like, I can't be living like this. And, you know, I met my wife who I'm with now and had more kids. And, and, you know, like I was in a transition period and I was like, dude, this is not the place for me to live. You know what I mean?

When I'm trying to get my life straight, this is a crazy house. So I moved from there and sorry, I took a few notes because I didn't want to lose myself. But the next like experience is that I start to have are with my wife that I'm with now. And I have photographic evidence of some of this stuff as well. But we went on a hike in the Sandia Mountain. This is a good spirit, though, I think. This is like 2015, 2016. We're hiking in the Sandia Mountains here in Albuquerque, and we're walking a certain trail,

and just snapping pictures on the cell phone. And then later on, when we start looking at the pictures, there's a little green marble orb that followed us everywhere. And it's like following my kids and my dog. And I know it's not just a light phenomenon of sunlight. hitting the camera because in some of these pictures, we were literally behind a cliff with the inside the shadows of the cliff. So it wasn't even sunlight coming in the camera. And, you know, I don't know if you've seen those, those phones where you can hit the picture and it snaps like

like 15 or 20 pictures in like two or three seconds. Yeah. We had one of those where you can do that and you can go through the picture and you can see this little orb manifests itself out of one of the bushes. And I swear it looks like a green cat's eye marble. I'll send you the pictures. You can check that out. But it was weird. We didn't see it, though. We didn't see it, but it was there. And then just from some research that I did, I don't know, I think it could have been it. It was, I researched green orbs like that and everything that I kind of found, kind of said, like they're not an ominous spirit or out to harm you. It could have been like an animal spirit or something. I don't know, but we didn't get creeped out from that time. And then

you know, same summer one night where, and I, I live by Curtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, so I'm right by the Air Force Base. So seeing different stuff in the sky, is weird where I live. But one night, me and my girl were sleeping in the room, and we're looking, we had, it was, you know, like springtime, so the weather was real nice. We didn't have the air conditioner on, but we had the windows open with a screen shut, and where the blinds were drawn open. And my girl's like, what is that? And there was like a, it looked like a diamond spinning in the sky.

And it lasted like about, I don't know, 15 seconds to 30 seconds, this thing. And you could see it. It wasn't a star, too. It looked like way closer than stars behind it. And it looked like it was rotating at such a high speed. And then it just vanished. So I saw that diamond in the sky. and then later that summer, and I think this one might have been more like military technology

because we do, it could have been UFO cloaking, I don't know, but we live by an Air Force base so who knows what they, what kind of stuff they do there without telling us. But my girl was the first one to notice this, and it was later that summer, but she was outside at the time she and I smoke. We don't smoke anymore. but at the time she still smoked cigarettes and she was outside smoking in the front yard and she comes inside and she tells me come outside she's all look like the sky looks weird she's like does this look right to you and she's all look she's like a whole section of the sky

is like shifting and i was like what are you talking about and she's like look at those stars right there so let me try to explain this the best way i can but it looked like a segment like a cluster And in the city, you don't usually get a lot of stars, you know what I mean? You see a few, you know, but it's not like when you're out in the woods. But this night, there was a fairly decent amount of stars you could like pick out in the sky. And there was like a section, a cluster of them. And it looked like they were moving counter, you know, to the way the other stars were positioned in the sky. And it looked like a group of stars were just shifting along the sky.

but while we were looking at this thing like we started to get like just the most intense like headache it was so weird it was almost like you couldn't look at it but I almost think like I've heard of like the military having like technology where they can project whatever's behind them and you can't see them themselves like cloaking technology I don't know if that's true

but it was almost like this thing was projecting an image and there was something gliding across the sky. And I remember there was a couple that was walking a dog across the street. And I even kind of whistled at them and got their attention. I asked them to look at it. And they saw it too. And they were like, oh, my God, that's weird. And they were like, yeah, that is weird.

And then I just remember that night, me and my wife come in the house. And we tried to both lay down and go to sleep. And I had the most, I've never got migraines before. You know, I've had really bad hangovers. and stuff, but I've never had a migraine headache. And, like, this had to be, like, a migraine. It was, like, pulverizing, like, I couldn't even sleep. It was so weird.

It was just really odd. So those are a couple more, like, weird, like, UFO-type, you know, experiences that I've had. But this leads into, like, the most hands-down, intense, paranormal experience that I've ever had. I mean, next to seeing the birth of, my son, you know, or something like that, you know, this is like, but it's on a different kind of level. It's just like, I don't know, life altering, eye opening, jaw dropping, scary, intense experience that I've ever had in my life. And thank God I wasn't by myself. I was with my wife and my best friend Benji. So this is on his property. This is back in northern New Mexico because we

traveled back and forth. My, uh, my girls family has land up north to my, My father-in-law has a cattle ranch in northern New Mexico, and, you know, he's got a like 20 to 30 head of cattle and they have a little cabin. And, you know, and that's on one side of the of these mountains where Hermits Peak and Johnson's Mace are. And then so on the other side of that is where my best friend's property is. This is where this experience happens on my friend Benji's property. And this is the one I was telling you about when we first talked that, man, this. This dude's place is becoming like Skinwalker Ranch. There's so much weird stuff going on out there, man.

I wish you could talk to him. He's more of a private person if I could get him to talk to you, man. I don't want to steal his thunder or his story, but he told me, like, he's even said he's seen giants. Giants on his ranch? Yeah. Yeah. Well. So anyway.

Hold on. We'll get. Go ahead. I just, before I forget, you need to talk to him and talk. tell him, bro, it's either you willingly talk to him or I make you talk to him. Well, he's a pretty cool guy. He's just more private than me. He's a different personality type and he's a little more, but I could probably coerce him into something. I was telling you, man, I think, like, I would really tell you, like, if you want to get some stuff like on camera,

man, this would be a great place to do it because the activity is just ramping up. But this is the first time, like, well, I guess, I don't know, weird stuff has been happening to him out there. He's lived out there his whole life. He's like a rancher boy to the core. You know what I mean? He breaks horses. He's a rancher. He's a rancher. That's his life. You know what I mean? But he lives up there full time. So like he tries not to, he tries not to let things get to him. But recently, I've noticed things are getting to him because he's told me. You know what I mean? And I don't know if it's a sign of the times and activities going up just because the state of the world we're in and demonic spirits have so much power right now. I don't know what.

it is. I don't know if there's something or a resource on his land. I don't know if there's like something that they're looking for. I don't know if there's, I don't know what it is, or if it's a spiritual gateway, like a dimensional gateway, but something is going on in this land. So I'll just go into the story. So this is like 2016, late summer 2016. We go and we visit all the time when we go spend time at our ranch. We'll take a night or two and go spend at his ranch. And, you know, we just have fun, you know, hang out bonfires, you know, and stuff and shit outside and enjoy, like, the beautiful stargazing and the animals. And, like, you know, we always sit around at night and just have good conversations and drink beer and whiskey and whatever else we knew until the night fades on and we all go to sleep, you know. But this night was, we went and he took us to these people's property, this house.

And it was, like, they were like more like hippie type kids. I think they were from Colorado and their family owns land there. And they had zip lines and they were playing banjos and guitars. And we were hanging out with these people. And it got to be kind of late. And he goes, dude, let's go back to the ranch. He goes, they're running out of beer. And he's like, I got some beers and a half a bottle of Jameson in the fridge.

And, you know, up there, it's like dirt roads. You know what? And you don't see anybody out there, especially late at night. And not to mention he lived out there his whole life. So his truck, he can literally drive through the woods on, pathways that he's carved from like, you know, cutting trees or, you know, pathways he's carved through his property or dirt roads that he knows that, like, nobody knows exists out there.

So we leave this property. It's nighttime. We leave this property. We're going back to his property. And he parks his truck. And he lives where his, uh, where his house is. It's like his house sits high on one side of a valley. And then there's, uh, more mountains and kind of like a mesa top on the top of.

of his property that's on inside of his property fence line and up there there's like a pond and like an area where we like would put tents and camp out his his ranch house is a little bit lower than that out of the tree line you know and it starts to where his ranch house is it starts to go down into a valley and then there's a creek and then there's more grass and then there's an old abandoned, like a Spanish-style adobe church on the outside of his property and then the fence line and then this old adobe church. And it's pretty big, you know what I mean? So we come the back way through his property and he parks his truck with the tail bed facing the valley. And he goes, well, he goes, I got to go inside. He had to use the bathroom. He's like,

he's going to go grab the booze and shit and then come back. And he leaves me and my, me and Gabby, my wife, out there. And this night was like a full moon or close to a full moon. So once your eyes adjust at night, you could see pretty well with the moonlight. You know, like we didn't have to have flashlights to kind of see it. He has horses and cows and you could see the silhouettes of the animals in the field. You know what I mean? Like they're shadows in the field down below in the valley from where we were sitting on his truck.

And we're just sitting there, like enjoying, like looking at the sky. you know, like filling the fresh summer air of the, you know, in the mountains and just enjoying it and smoking a cigarette. And I feel, I guess I'm looking in one direction and my girls look in the other direction. I feel a slap come across my chest. And Gabby's all look. And I look in the direction she's looking and out the trees from the other side of the valley, across from the dirt road, out of the tree line from where the mountains and, and he'll start from the other side of the valley comes this fiery orb.

I've seen these things before, you know, like I said earlier, but I've never seen one. I've seen them in the sky doing formations, but I've never seen just one. And so this light, this orb comes out of the tree line, comes into the field where the horses and cows are, and it starts floating and dancing above the head of the cattle and the horses. and we're sitting there watching this thing for like 30 or 45 seconds and she's freaking out. At this point, I'm freaking out too because I've never seen anything act like that. Sorry, my dog are going crazy outside. Let me, uh, are they being too noisy?

Yeah, I mean, if you can, uh, I don't know, Muslim or. I'm going to shut this. I'm going to shut this. I'm going to shut this door. That's fine. I'm in my travel trailer and, uh, that way it's just not so noisy. So anyways, so this, this. this orb is floating around these.

And it's what's weird is that the horses and the cows just don't seem to even care. Like you would think they'd move or scatter or whatever. It was like they were almost like oblivious to this thing. So it lasts like 30, 40 seconds. And then it just floats back into the trees where it came from and disappears. And me and my girl are outside and we're talking and we're like all pumped up about this thing that we just saw. off and here comes Benji walking up the trail to where the truck is. And first I don't see him.

I just hear his feet shuffling up the pathway. And then he gets close to us and he hears what we're talking about. And he's all, he's all, yeah, right, bro. You didn't see Jack bleep. You know what I mean? He's all, it was probably like, uh, somebody walking down the road with a lantern. Maybe it was somebody on a motorcycle. Maybe it was this.

Maybe he's like trying to debunk us, you know. and we're trying to explain to him like Benji, we're not stupid. We know exactly what we saw. Like, this is how it moved. This is what it looked like. And then it was weird. This is just where it totally just intensifies to the extreme. He goes, no, let me tell you.

He's like, I got to admit. He goes, there's some weird stuff that happens up here. He goes, I just try not to pay too much attention to it because it'll screw with you. And then I'm not kidding you. It's like you blink your eyes and then boom. dude right in that field right where like the open grasses and the animals were in the field just all of a sudden and out of nowhere dude just like it just all of a sudden appeared a giant UFO I mean huge dude this thing was like like a three or four story tall building and it was like

I know it's cliche but like it's like a football field you know what I mean it length and it's kind of oval it wasn't flashing light it wasn't making any like audible noise, but you could feel like this hum, almost like subsonic, like I've heard like elephants can create sounds like the human ear can't hear, but I guess you could feel the energy, the bass. Like there was almost like a vibration like all of a sudden that started happening. And it was like you couldn't hear it, but you could feel it. And we are all turned around staring at this thing. And I don't know how much time passes.

and we're all staring at this thing. And you can see it because it was like hovering around in a small circle. And you could totally make up the whole exterior of it. And you could see the moonlight hitting it. And the way I explain it, it almost looked like a really pristine lake at night. When the water's really still and you see moonlight hit the water, how it like shimmers and shines. That's how the exterior of this thing looked. and then it's and it's hovering and every time it moves like you it's blocking out whatever's behind it so whatever clouds are behind it or whatever stars are behind it and and you could totally make it out and I just got this really ominous feeling like of sheer terror it was like looking into like the face of the unknown and I was thinking in my head and in my spirit I was like if this is what I think it is extraterrestrials I was like first off

we're nothing compared to this thing because obviously, like, what can we do? Like, even if we have guns at the ranch, you know what I mean? I wouldn't even attempt to pull out a gun and shoot at this thing. You know what I mean? And plus, it caught us off guard. I didn't physically have a gun right next to me or on me at that point, you know? I wouldn't even, I was, we were all so scared just looking at this thing. And I just got this feeling, man, like I felt so insignificant at that time.

Like, that point in time, like I felt like a mouse. and that was a cat and it could pounce on on us at any moment and there's nothing we can do about it. Just sheer terror. Like I was scared out of my wits. Thank God I wasn't by myself. I probably would have passed out and got abducted. That's how scary it was. So, you know, being like all the stuff that I'd been through in my life and, you know, being a spiritual man and being a follower of Jesus.

And, you know, I pray to him as Yeshua and all the, you know, reading the book of Enok and all this stuff. All I could think of to do was start to pray. You know, because I always remember it says, you know, any time it says spirits or presence, you know, call out on the name of Jesus because you have power and dominion over those spirits, you know. And so the only thing I could think of to do was to start to pray. So out loud, I just start praying. And I start praying in Jesus and Yeshua's name. And I remember, like, in my prayer, because I had read the book of Enoch, I started calling out to God to release one of the archangels. Because in the book of Enoch, if you've ever read the book of Enoch, if you've ever read the book.

book of Enoch it references Michael, Raphael, Samyle, the, you know, Gabriel. And it talks about, like, you know, I called upon the angels protection and Jesus, you know. And I'm not saying it's me, I'm not that pompous to think, oh, my prayer, you know, like, no, but like when I called on his name, his name, Jesus name, like, and this is what even just confirms my faith even more now is, you know, seeing the power that his name has. But as I started to pray out loud, audibly, this thing, this UFO, this vessel in the sky goes, it breaks apart into four separate smaller vessels, and then it starts flying towards the mountains behind it. And then it's like it just hits like a wormhole or something and it just vanishes.

And like we are all just sitting there. I, like, we couldn't even think of words to say. I think we just, we stopped. We definitely stopped hanging out outside. We went inside. I think Benji's like, I'm going to sleep, dude. And then like me and like, yeah, you went to the area in that house where we would usually sleep. And I don't think we caught a wink of sleep that whole night.

So that was definitely like the most intense UFO. encounter that I've ever had. And like I said, his, his, you know, girlfriend that he's with now, and they recently had a new baby. And his dad's real old school and he's in his late 80s. So he won't really talk about this stuff, you know, because he's like the old school tough guy. And like he doesn't, he's real quiet. He won't talk about it. But I know he's had experiences too. But, you know, Benji's called me and told me, dude, like there's lights following me, you know, from the turn at Sapp A.O. All the way to my house, he's like, I'm seeing aerial formations.

There's purple orbs. So he had, the night that he saw the giants, he said that he was in the back section of his house that looks where the truck was parked and the tree line starts to go up to that side of his property. And he said all these like thousands of purple light started manifesting in the trees. And he said the trees started moving like they had a mind of their own. And the tops of the trees were bending in and touching each other. and he said through the pinkish purple light that was emanating through the forest he said he saw silhouettes of giants walking around back there and he said he said it's going to sound crazy raw old but he said they looked like they had antlers on their head and i was like what and he's like i'm not going to tell anybody and now i'm telling the whole world he's like i'm not going to tell anybody he's like nobody will believe me and i was like well i believe you because i've seen something something out there i couldn't explain so i don't doubt you and he was telling me every time i pull out my phone he's like i try to i try to capture it he's like it shut off like a like a tv and then he's like as soon

as i put my phone down he's like it would start back up again like some crazy symphony and then he's like then and then his girlfriend came and she was watching it with him and he he said this thing went on for hours and then he said these entities started to cross the field and walk towards his house and he said he was so terrified that he almost wanted to scream at them and tell him if you're going to mess with me just come get me but he said he was so scared that even in his spirit, it wouldn't let him say those words out loud and that he couldn't say it. And then eventually, as he just stood his ground and watched it, these things superseded back into the trees and disappeared.

So there's like, and there's just, he's had cats, he's had dogs come back with perfect triangles, chunks missing out of their ear, you know, animals go missing. Like, yeah, weird stuff, dude. And not to mention in that same, around that same area in, in Moran, New Mexico, a few, years back was where a whole herd of elk just dropped dead. Like a hundred elk all at one time just dropped dead. And the news reported that they had caught a parasite from some pond that they were drinking in. But like you think about it, elk are migrating animals. And they do not, you know, they're not all going to simultaneously drop dead in one spot, you know. And even if they did catch a

parasite, the stronger ones, the older ones, you know what I mean? The ones that are sick or weak or young, you know, they might die off in one spot and then the herd's going to migrate somewhere else. And then the healthier ones will drop in different places. They're not just all going to simultaneously fall dead. And my buddy used to work for the National Forestry and I talked to a lot of people that worked up there and they all say foul play. Like there's more to it than what they're leading on. But, you know, there's been weird phenomenon that's happened up there like that. You know what I mean? And to me, like I almost think like it's UFO, UFO activity causing this stuff.

and so that isn't the last i still got a couple more if you're with me if you're still down here a little bit more no i'm still good go ahead i this yeah you're a great storyteller you're you're just filling it in for us this is easy this is great for me oh man yeah no problem man i'm happy to like share you know it's just like wild stuff i sometimes i think about it and i can't believe like i've experienced these things i feel pretty lucky you know it's weird to say that, but I do. You know, and then, so on, and this is in the same general area. So like I said earlier, my, my girls' family, they have some ranchland in a similar area,

but it's on the other side of those same mountains. But this would be like the Rocky Mountains in New Mexico. So it's the same Rocky Mountains that run up through, you know, Colorado. And this is in an area of like the Santa Fe National Forest, I think it is. And what's the other one? The Pecos Wilderness is back there. and I've heard other people talk about, like, encountering Sasquatch in these areas. Benji said he knows of two guys that hunt Sasquatch, and I told him, dude, introduce me to him

because I'm interested in that stuff too, but like me and my girl in the summer of 2017, the year before my last, my youngest son was born, we were at her family's land on the other side, and there's a lot of strange activity that's starting to happen on this. side too. And see, my girl tells me that before all this weird stuff started happening recently, she's like, she's shocked at all this crazy stuff that started happening recently because she's like, our parents and my cousins and me used to go out there, you know, for summers and we would sleep in sleeping bags underneath the stars with no tents and nothing and just sleep out wide in the open, you know what I mean, next to the cabin and like our parents would leave us there and like we would

just stay there like all night. And she's like, I never once like had anything spook me. You know, we'd always have just the time of our life with her cousins. And, uh, you know, in 2017, uh, her and I, I took my nieces from Kansas that had never, they were like from Wichita, Kansas and they'd never really been to the mountains, you know, so I wanted to give them that experience. And all they did was cry the whole time about not having Wi-Fi or, um, you know, uh, you know, they couldn't do their makeup and oh you expect me to use the bathroom behind a tree type thing so i gave them the little cabin house and me and uh my girl and and and my other son johnny who at the time must have been like six or seven six years six years old i think and my little my little dog my pug we were

sleeping outside in a tent and the the dog was asleep and my kid was asleep and it was just me and my girl in the tent and we had like a little lantern going and I always do keep like a firearm on me especially out in like the wild or the wilderness and it's pretty you know remote out there so I did have one pistol with me in the tent and I think it was a 38 special you know a little rubber grip short nose 38 that I had inside the tent with us just in case you know and we're laying there and then we start to hear coyotes. It started with coyotes, which is a very typical sound you hear up in that area. You know, yippin and yapping and yapping and it sounded like there was like multiple coyotes.

And they were communicating with each other through this little valley area where her family's land is. And you can hear those noises that they make when they get excited. And then they were doing other little vocalizations, I guess you can call like a howl or whatever. you know and totally just coyotes all day i know what they sound like you know and then all of a sudden the coyotes just go dead silent it was like they were yipping and yapping and yapping and playing and then out of nowhere do they just zip nothing and i know people always like when i listen to like stories about like saskwat showing up people always say that there's a dead silence well that's what happens like all of a sudden like the the locusts

you know, those things that buzzed in the trees and like all the bugs and all the freaking crickets and not everything. It's like all of a sudden you couldn't hear anything. And like me and my girl are kind of there like we were enjoying listening to the coyotes, you know, it's kind of cool, kind of pretty. You know, I wasn't scared of them, you know? And then all of a sudden, man, from down the valley, like it just comes echoing and bellowing through the canyon is this god awful scream. and I mean that you couldn't like somebody with a microphone

like one of those metal screamers that just screen notes in a microphone couldn't even carry their voice this long this thing just like it went for like 10, 12 seconds just full power like it was like a scream and then it like went into like a hackling laugh and cry at the end

and it almost had like a yippy howl at the end but it was like a scream at first you know but really power full like and it just hit us dude boom that sound hit us and like like i froze my girl froze and then like off in the distance like the people that have a ranch next to her i guess they had some horses corralled in like a like a metal trailer you could hear this horse that that was inside this metal trailer it spooked this horse because you could hear this horse kicking a metal trailer you know like it was freaking out and then all of a sudden

You know, like a few seconds later, boom, again. This just disgustingly disturbing, loud, howl, scream sound comes again. And my girl is like, she's so scared. Like, she's, like, frozen in fear, dude. Like, she's white. She's not saying anything. And then she, like, tugs on me. And she's all, why don't you go check on the kids?

And I looked at her and I was like, screw you. I'm not going outside. Like, are you kidding me? And she's all, but you got to go check on the kids. You got to go check on the kids. And I wish I had the wits, but it caught us so off guard. Like I did have a cell phone with me at that time. Like to backtrack, like when we were at Benji's Ranch, like, we don't get cell service up there.

So everybody's like, why don't you film that thing going on? It's because like, well, cell phones don't even work up there. Like, so we left it charging inside. This time I did have a cell phone with me because I was like listening to music on it. But I didn't have the frame of mine to pull it out and start hitting record. Like, you know, but when she tells me to go check on the kids, I grab my phone and I turn on the flashlight on the phone and I grab the gun and I'm walking the pathway using my phone and walking like tactical style with my gun pulled and the phone is a flashlight and I walk back to the little cabin. And the kids are inside blasting music having a pillow fight and it's my two older sons and my two nieces. And they're just like having the time of their life.

and I tell them, hey, did you guys hear that thing, like screaming? And they're like, no, are you stupid, dad? And I was like, and they were laughing at me telling me like I was tripping. And like, I was like, you guys are like stupid if you couldn't hear that. Like I told them, you know, like, how could you not hear that thing? But they had the, they had music going full blast. Like there's 16-inch wolfers in there and they're like having a pillow fight. So they were so oblivious to this thing.

And I walked back to the tent and I just remember. being so scared that night, like, just terrified because I'd never heard anything like that. I'd been in the mountains. I've lived in the mountains. I know what a bear sounds like. I know what cougars sound like. I know what coyotes sound like. I know what elk bugle like.

I know the snuffy, like, Brett sounds that deer make. Like, this thing was otherworldly is the only way I could explain it. Didn't see anything, but definitely heard something wild. And then so we tell her brother, her older brother, to the. her brother and her dad are the ones that take care of that property the most. They go and they tend to the cows and they make sure like everything is going okay and they check on the property from time to time. And her brother used to go and stay at that cabin all the time.

Like it was like his own little getaway, you know. And he would use it to like, you know, take a woman out there, you know, for the night or, you know, do whatever he would do and hang out with it. He'd go out there by himself, you know what I mean? And there, he had like a DVD player and a stereo system. them and like a futon and you know a little fridge and everything in there so you know he'd go up there and stay and he would never talk about it but all of a sudden out of nowhere he just stopped going there and he refused to go there and the only time he would go there once it got dark was if there was

multiple people around he wouldn't go up there by himself he'd still go up there but he wouldn't go at night and he wouldn't go by himself and he and he's a big tough guy I mean he's like I mean like six foot three like 250 pounds my girls all the guys in my girls family are big dudes and he's a and he's one of them and and like he didn't talk about it he would like we told him what we heard and he kind of like acknowledged it but he like didn't really go into anything and then just recently like he admitted he started telling us that and he calls it the hauler I don't know where he got that name from I don't know why he came up with it maybe it's the sounds that he heard but, you know, what he's describing to me is a bigfoot, a satch.

And he's had multiple encounters with this thing out there. And not to mention there's missing people from this area, too, like very well-experienced rancher-type guys that have hunted their whole life that went like tracking elk or deer. And then just were never found. No trace. They still haven't found these guys. They're just gone. You know, there's a couple missing people from this same area. So there's weird stuff in this area, too.

And but he's told me he saw that he was sitting on the porch one night and that he had the porch lights on. And that across the small creek from where that goes down from where the cabin is on the other side, you know, where there's like hills and little mountains like in the tree line. He said he saw the silhouette, you know, shadow of the biggest freaking beast. looking man on two legs, you know, and it was moving seamlessly through these trees. He said he did have a rifle with him on the front porch. He said he turned on this thing and pointed a rifle at it and that this thing moved, like it almost like vanished into the trees. And then next thing he knows, he said it was behind him, like on the other side.

It just like runs past him on the other side. So it had circumnavigated. him and was now on the back side of him. And he said at that point, he was like, oh, hell, nah. And he went inside the cabin. And he said he's heard this thing. He's, he's, he's, uh, you know, vaguely seen this thing a few times. But he claims a one night too that it was just running around just the cabin banging on the walls. And he said that, that's that he won't go out there anymore. But he does what he said he wants to do a YouTube documentary and try to hunt it down and talk to other people from out there. And I told them, hey man, if you do that, I want in. And then,

uh, so that crazy stuff. And then this is kind of like coming to a like more recent times. The last few things that happened to me, uh, you know, like this summer out in front of my house, I had a, I was sitting in the front yard because I take attention to this guys, you know, religiously because of the experiences that I've had. I'm always looking at the sky. You know, the other night, just this summer, I saw a shooting star. Like, it looked like a streaking shooting star, and then all of a sudden it turned into a bird and just start flying across the sky.

I saw that. I have a place where I go fishing, and I stopped at the little bait store, talked to these people out there, and they were showing me these reoccurring, spinning UFOs that keep appearing over there by Cochiti Lake on an Indian reservation. And it happened for a week straight in the same spot, like over and over again. And they have video footage, pretty good video footage of this thing. And, oh, and then, so the stream and then that activity that we've heard at my, my girls' ranch isn't the only thing this, in the summer of 2020, we went back. But this time, we were in a we were in a now i got a travel trailer but at that time before i traded in and got

this we got this we had a pop-up trailer so it's a little more secure feeling than a tent right but still not the greatest feeling you know what i mean still not the most sturdy structure but better than sleeping in a tent well we went out there with some friends of mine that that i worked with that we had invited out there and you know they ended up leaving early which left that's there by just me, my girl, and my youngest son now, because he was alive, my other kids were all gone. So it was just the three of us. And my pit bull, he was a puppy at the time, my newest pit bull. And we were, and I had a bunch of guns with me too because I had been shooting. You always go shooting out there. But I had left my guns in my truck, not with me. I had

one gun with me inside of the pop-a-trail. The other guns were inside of my truck. And, we had this really weird night, you know. I got a creepy feeling that whole night that something wasn't right. I kept feeling like something was watching us. You know, we've already had that weird screen happen to us out there. So in the back of our minds and the UFOs, you know, but like I plan on living a rural type lifestyle eventually. Like I can't let these things stop me from living my life that I want to live. Like, you know what I mean? I saw Jesus move a UFO away from me. Like, I can't fear the. things, you know, that's what I tell myself, you know, I want to, I want to live out there eventually,

you know? And, but, yeah, so we go into the pop-up, we were going to make it an early night because the night before we had been drinking with my friends, and this night we didn't want to drink, and we were going to get ready to pack up and come back to Albuquerque the next day, and we're there, and we're in the pop-up trailer, and I'm trying to go to sleep, and I'm kind of in between that state where you're conscious and asleep, and But I wasn't like in a full-blown sleep, but I was falling asleep, but not quite. Yeah, I could still hear everything that's going on. And I swear, I started hearing footsteps in the campsite, like real faint, bipedal footsteps. I could hear them. And it just sounded like leaves crunching, you know, like dirt shuffling, I guess you'd say, like leaves that have fallen on the ground and like, you know, little twigs or branches, you know, and I mean, just real soft, though. But it sounds like it was just all over. the camp. But I was like halfway asleep and I was telling myself

like and what's weird is we started to hear a whisper and it sounded like a woman whispering and but I couldn't make what they were saying and I was like halfway asleep and then just like a sleep like a paralysis came over me

in this fear. I don't know why but all of a sudden I was so terrified and I was trying to move my body and my girl was laying next to me and I don't even know if she was asleep and Like all of a sudden, like, uh, like when you have an anxiety attack, I couldn't attach my breath because in the back of my head, I was still conscious and I was thinking, if somebody is in my camp, like, I have a bunch of guns in my truck. And if somebody's invaded our camp, they could go in my truck and like grab all my guns, shoot us. You know what I mean? Like, if these are like camp raiders or whatever or whatever it is, you know, like who the hell is out here? Like, this is on fence private property, like in the middle of nowhere. Like there shouldn't be by people footsteps and whispering in a camp, but I could not get myself up. And I start to have like an anxiety.

And I guess like I took like a deep breath and I finally caught my breath. And I shot up out of the side that we were laying on and the pop up. And my girl woke my girl up. I was like, I can't breathe. I can't breathe. And I was like, what's going on? And I was like, please grab the light. Turn the light on.

Turn the light on. and she finally gets the light on and she's like she's like were you hearing that too and i was all yeah and she's like she's like she's like look outside look outside so i grab my nine millimeter and i cock it and i get the light and i start looking like out the window and i ain't gonna lie i was scared to look out the little window of the of the pop-ups and i kind of go around the pop-up and i couldn't find anything and and uh yeah just really weird dude like it was like really scary like the way it all played out that night, you know? And I just, I couldn't sleep.

I don't think I slept that night either. But, you know, I've heard like of, I know it sounds weird, but I've heard like of stories on, you know, West Germers show, Sasquatch Chronicles where I've heard other people say that like, the whispering women and Sasquatch is kind of a thing too. Like they can make all these different vocalizations and, or I don't know if it was a ghost. spirit or like, you know, like a brouha, which is a witch in Spanish, or, you know, over here,

they too, they talk about the La Yarona, of course, because it's a Spanish culture. And there was water right there, but I don't think it's La Jarona or anything like that. But there was something like creeping around our camp, you know, that night. And that's really weird, you know. That's pretty much like, you know, leads up to like where we're at, you know, nowadays. And I just, I continue to keep my eyes open. and I continue to like be open-minded and research this stuff. And it's like I want to encounter some of these things.

Some of these things I don't, you know, and some of these things I'm scared to know what they truly were that we heard. I don't know. But there's some really strange stuff going on in this area of northern New Mexico. Wow, man. You got me intrigued. You got me intrigued for northern New Mexico for sure. It needs to be put on my list of places I'd like to visit one day.

do some fun investigations and get the hell scared out of me, you know? Like, you're talking about, you're talking about giants and Bigfoot UFOs and demons and witches being possessed on purpose just to help other. Owls, yeah, it's just like, what the freak, you know? Dude, man, Raoul, this was awesome, man. Like, you really had a lot of stories to share, and you did a freaking awesome job. I really appreciate it. Oh, yeah, no problem.

You know, like I said, it's just an honor to get to share these things. I really appreciate, you know, the work that you and, like, Wes are doing for, because these are, you are the two podcasts that I listen to the most, you know. And I've got to talk to him before, you know, and I really appreciate the heck out of what you guys do. And I think, you know, it really is, like, therapeutic to, like, talk about these things and get them off and, you know, get it out there for other people to hear who might have experienced similar things. And I know that there's, you know, people in New Mexico are going to listen to this and other places too, you know, because this stuff goes on all over

the place. But, you know, it really is a hotbed over here, you know. I was telling you, like, they dropped the A-bomb over here. You know, we got weird spiritual energy, Roswell, you know, all the native cultures and the Skinwalker stuff. That's all huge here. You know, I've been hearing a lot more like Sasquot stuff from our northern mountains, even into the Sandias, you know, I've heard of like people encountering them up there. And not to mention like Doulesea and like, you know, the underground labs that we have here in Sandia and Los Alamos and like there is something, there's some kind of like spiritual energy that's going on here in New Mexico where I think it's just, it's just ramping up and ramping up and ramping up. And it's my own personal opinion,

but I think that eventually, this is just my feeling, I think that everybody's going to come to know that this is all real one day, you know, I don't know if it's going to be a mass invasion or what, but, you know, if you read your Bible and you talk about, you know, Christ coming down from the heavens and the chariot, you know, on the clouds, you know, and, you know, like some of the things that I've seen, you know, and I mean, like Ezekiel and the wheel in the sky and Elijah and the chariot of planes, and it's like, you know, what were they talking about, you know,

And I mean, I think very well they're explaining this phenomenon, you know, from times past. And I think we're coming into a time with technology and everything else that's going on in our world and the spiritual energy and the direction of the world where I think, you know, I've warned people all the time like, hey, man, don't be surprised. All you guys are going to see this stuff one day. And then you'll say, ha, Raul wasn't crazy. He told me about this years ago. Yeah, man. Yeah. So New Mexico is a state that I don't know if you feel like this, but, I mean,

from the outside looking in, I feel like that's a state that's not often talked about and maybe even forgotten. I mean, do you feel like that from the inside looking out? Well, you know, like, it's definitely, we live below the poverty line compared to like, you know, we're next to Arizona, which is a really nice state, you know, and like they have fancy places over there. And, you know, we live next to Texas and Texas has that whole bravado, Texas thing going on. And, you know, Colorado's pretty synonymously beautiful and has some nice. places. But New Mexico is kind of like, you know, the weird little spot in between it. I think it often gets forgotten about. But, you know, it is a very special place. It's called the land of enchantment over

here. We joke from people that live over here and we call it the land of entrapment. You go on vacation, you stay on probation, you know. But, you know, like, we have everything. Besides the beaches, you know, we have the plains, we have the deserts, we have the high desert, we have the mountains, we have have thick forests, we have, you know, we have white sands, we have, I mean, you can travel this state and you can see so many different, like, beautiful landscapes. And yeah, a lot of stuff goes on here. There's a lot of really ancient, old, you know, Spanish history, old West history, Native American history. And the folklore goes back, you know, like, it's, it's pretty, you know, besides some of the political stuff that's going on over here.

Like, you know, I never thought about leaving this place. I kind of in love with it. But I don't know. Recently, I've also thought about moving. But it is a pretty unique place. That's awesome, man. Yeah, I was talking to you about it earlier and stuff before we started recording. And, you know, we're talking about possibly moving to Tennessee.

And I just, there's, I've been falling in love with Tennessee and many, many reasons why. but for one, it just offers the lifestyle I want, man, more rural. Like, I'm so tired of so many people around me. I mean, the county I live in has a million people in it, you know? It's just like, it's just too many people. I need some space to myself, and I'm thinking about Tennessee. But New Mexico's a little far west for me, but shoot, if it was a little closer, I'd consider it. Oh, you know, and it's not overpopulated, you know, like Albuquerque's got about five

hundred some thousand people now maybe close to 600,000. But, you know, besides like Santa Fe and Taos are kind of like richy and synonymous with like, you know, like rich travelers who spend money, you know what I mean? Um, but other than that, you know, like, uh, this state really is just like like a military basis in labs and, and, and, and then just, uh, you know, most people out here probably below the poverty line. But it's a, there's some really just strange places over here. But it is beautiful.

And I like it because it's not overrun with people. But you know, now with everything that's going on, everybody's leaving like California and these states and they're starting to come over here. And now Hollywood's over here too. And they started shooting a lot of movies over here and Netflix is here and Amazon Primes here

and all these. movie studios, which is actually kind of cool because I actually got to work with them. And that's currently what I've been doing. I'm in between jobs with that. But just finished up, wrapping up this new show is going to be coming out on Amazon Prime. I can't even mention it because I could get in trouble. But, yeah. You can tell me about it after we end this. So, uh, yeah. But no, man, I do appreciate you coming on and sharing your stories, man. It's been really fun. No, man. I appreciate it. Thank you for having. me and yeah, our talk before we even jumped on the interview was just awesome. So I appreciate that

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