The Confessionals - 464: The Bigfoot, The Witch, and The Dogman

Episode Date: August 2, 2022

In Episode 464: The Bigfoot, The Witch, and The Dogman we are joined by Erick Szilagyi from the uNcomfortable podcast. Erick was connected to me by Joel from VanTesla, who has been a guest on Erick's show several times. Erick comes to the table with many experiences to share, but it was his experience with a witch that kicks off the show. Erick was just beginning his podcast and got connected to a witch who was willing join his show for a conversation. Erick decided to meet up with her in person to record, and that meeting turned into dinner plus more. What then ensues Erick describes as one of the most bizarre nights of his life. From Bigfoot coming close to their location, unexplainable vocalizations, unnatural hyper-sexualized tensions, to dogman guarding the witch and the witch herself physically transforming before Erick's eyes! Needless to say, he has a jaw-dropping story. Following the initial episode, we decided to do an Overtime segment for members that lasted almost three hours! Erick shares all his other experiences and they are just as bizarre as the first hour, including a story that is so personally sensitive for him that we can't speak or even hint about it publicly.Get your tickets to the 1st Annual Dogman/Cryptid Conference: https://bit.ly/3MXCnnuBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelOUTRO MUSICVanTesla - ShutUp N DriveYouTube: https://bit.ly/3yH4kvGApple Music: https://apple.co/3nDfsU1Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3nErEUI

This is going to make me sound like an absolute freaking whack job. But as I'm telling her this, the lines on her face just kind of smooth out. And her coat goes away and her clothes go away. And she is sitting on the corner of the bed with her legs crossed being completely. completely nude and being maybe like a 20-year-old version of herself. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me.

And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. and he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast, and spears Dan holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face, they basically decapitated. Got closer, got closer, got closer, got closer, when he got about 15 yards away from me,

I raised that 12 days and I blow this head off. I feel something pulling at my leg, and I look over, and there are two small gray entities pulling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yeah.

Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you've a crazy wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionals at the Confessionalspodcast.com. that's The Confessionals at the Confessionalspodcast.com or go to the website,

the confessionalspodcast.com. Hit the contact section. You can reach me that way as well. Either it works for me, just get a hold of me. If you want more shows on a weekly basis, we drop a bonus show on Thursdays to the members on the website and the Castos app. And on the Castos app, you get the Tuesday shows ad free and access to the overtime segments. And today is an overtime show.

In fact, we actually have Eric on the line with us right now. Eric, say hi. Hello there. What's up? How you doing, buddy? So we got Eric here, but Eric, go back on mute for a second. We're going to finish the business here first. So as I was saying, if you guys want, you can go on the website and become members and get access to the Thursday shows, which are member shows, the Tuesday shows, ad free, and the overtime segments like today with Eric.

And friends, also, the world's crazy. So just make sure that you guys are good to go in the emergencies. Get yourself prepared with prepare with the confessionals.com. get yourself emergency supply food and survival gear just in case. In fact, I was actually thinking about doing an Instagram real. In fact, if you guys haven't been following us on Instagram, please go ahead and do that because we actually have been really trying to build up our Instagram following, specifically Instagram, but also I'm starting to post some things on Facebook because one thing I'm seeing is that

my social media following isn't matching what the downloads are for a weekly basis. and I'm trying to book some really, really cool guests moving here into the future with the studio space that I have now. And it's kind of hard to say, hey, I have a really big podcast and you want to come on and talk to me. And then they go and look into social media like, yeah, but it's not matching what you're telling me. So if you guys have been, I don't know, regretfully neglecting hitting the follow button, please do me a favor. Go ahead and follow us on Instagram specifically. Anyways, I've been doing the reels on Instagram. and I've been thinking about doing a real talking about some new information I came across

where it would actually probably tell people, hey, you know what, we might want to make sure we're prepared. So go ahead and do that, prepare with the confessionals.com. Also, friends, let me tell you about the dog man conference that I've been talking about for months now. It is the first annual dogman slash cryptic conference. It is in Paris, Tennessee on August 13th. I am going to be the speaker there.

So will Steve Stockton and Barton Nunley. Josh Turner. Ken Gearhart is actually going to be hosting the event. It's going to be a lot of fun. So if you have not gotten your tickets yet, just go to the link in the description below of this episode. Get your tickets right now. And I'll see you there on August 13th in Paris, Tennessee at the first annual dogman cryptid conference. And last but not least, friends, I just want to kind of tell the people who are listeners that are members that I did add a whole quick news segment section on the website. So if you're a listener that only likes listening to the shows on the website, you can now listen to the quick news segments on the website as well. I wanted to make sure that was available to you guys that typically like listening on the website versus using an app. But with that said, friends, we have Eric here from the uncomfortable podcast. Eric, how you doing, brother?

Doing really well, Tony. Thanks for having me on again, man. Yeah. So people are saying, wait, again. No, Eric has never been on this show before. This is the very first episode. But we recorded this first. interview people are going to hear on March 8th before I even moved to Tennessee. And then we decided we wanted to do it overtime because there's a whole lot more. Like a whole lot. Listen, like people, what people are about to hear, they're going to be like, holy crap. Like, like people are going to be freaking out. They're going to freak out of their minds when they hear this interview. They're about to listen to. The overtime is just more of that. And so it's been months now. We're recording this

July 27th. It's been months since you and I have talked and stuff. But I'm now finally here in Tennessee. to do the overtime segment with the people. But before we get to today's interview plus the overtime segment, I wanted to kind of give you an opportunity to talk to the people right now for this first segment of this conversation about your conference you're pulling off here. I think you said what next month, right? Oh yeah, September 10th. September 10th is going to be if anybody's familiar with Southwest Michigan. It's the Dowajack area. And DeWajak is pretty pretty well known for something that happened back in 1964, which was the Dewey Lake Monster.

Summer of 1964, there were a series of sightings of this seven to eight foot tall, hair-covered creature and all of the descriptions and everything that was in the newspaper and the witness testimonies. Everything points to it having been something very much akin to a big foot. So I've decided to do a host an event at the Sister Lakes Brewing Company. They're into Wajack, Michigan, just a couple of minutes away from the original sightings. And it's going to be called Bigfoot and Brews.com.

Or I'm sorry, Bigfoot and Brews. And you can get all the information you want at bigfoot and bruise.com. Tickets are on sale now. We're going to have a full day of speakers. We've got Ron Moorhead, who's famous for the Sierra Sounds. He's coming into town. He'll be the main speaker. And then the rest of the day is going to be filled with speakers that have already been guests on my show.

So it's going to kind of be a best of uncomfortable. They're all Michigan-based researchers and experiencers as far as the topic of Bigfoot in the state of Michigan. So it's super excited about it. Can't wait. It's coming up quick. Tickets are going fast. So if everybody in that area is interesting. I suggest getting over to bigfoot and bruise.com and there's chances for you to be a sponsor if you want to help make it a bigger and better show.

Vendor stables are available. You can get all that information on the site. And we're just super super excited about it. This is my first attempt at dipping my toes into run at a conference. But it's going to be a lot different because it's a lot more intimate. It's at a brewery. It's going to be held outside behind the, they have a permanently tended structure back there. We're going to have all their food.

We're going to rename everything to be kind of crypted sounding food, food items. They got great beer there. And it's the only place you can get the Dewe Lake Monster IPA. They don't sell it in stores or anything. It's the only place you can get it. So we're really excited about that coming up. That's awesome, man. So let's just tell the people, if they want, go ahead and hit them up on the website.

The link is in the description of this episode. maybe you'll see a familiar face up there. I don't know. Eric, am I coming up there or not? Man, I would love to have you come up there, dude. I absolutely would love to have you come up there. You said it was September 8th? September 10th. September 10th. Listen, I will check my schedule. This is absolutely unplanned, but I'll check my schedule, see if I can make it up there and stuff. So people listening right now, I'm not saying I'm going to be there, but I might be there. So we'll see. Well, I got a message from our friend, Joel Thomas, a couple of days ago. And he said he was considering the possibility of also being able to come up and bring his co-host from Kill the Mockingbirds.

Yes. Yeah, everybody should follow that podcast, too, Kill the Mockingbirds. Joel Thomas from Van Tesla. He's been on the show multiple times. He's one of my partners in crimes for the films, and he's the guy with the red beard that does awesome music. So, you know, maybe you'll see familiar faces there. But if you're interested, the link is in the description of this episode. With that said, let's just get to this week's episode.

We have Eric coming on and sharing his experience with a date that he had that was also a witch. We were talking about his experience. I mean, things got big footy, things got naked. It was crazy. Let's get to Eric's date right now. Okay, today we got Eric on the show. Eric, how you doing, man? Doing well, Tony.

How are you? I'm doing good, man, doing good. So listen, Eric, you heard, I guess you heard my megacast, right? And you liked the idea. I did. Yeah, I did. I thought that was a great little service that you were doing to other podcasters. And it was a unique idea. I thought it was a great thing. Yeah, I'll tell you what. I don't know if I'm ever going to do the megacast again. The production that took it that was involved in the megacast was more than I was prepared for. And I remember I had it all as one file. And then I went to go upload. and the service I used to upload my podcast episodes, they're like, your file's too big. I'm like, what? So I had to split it into, you know, part one and part two. And I was just like, this sucks. Like, I was like, this started out as a good idea. And that's about as far as it went. It was a

good idea. But it was a pain in the butt. So, I mean, it's not to discourage anybody. But if you contact me as a podcaster, chances are there won't be a megacast. It'll just be you on a cast. So. Well, that works as well. So. Yeah. So Eric, man, tell people about your podcast. Actually, just turned a year old. It's called Uncomfortable. Just turned a year old back in February. And I've had a new new show every week.

I think I put out maybe 10 little bonus shows along the way. And it just, it was born out of one, hearing shows like yourself, West Ghermer's Sasquatch Chronicles. subjects that I've been like really, really steeped in for the majority of my life. And, you know, I would find myself listening to you guys and be like, oh, you got to ask this question. You got to ask this question. And then you would ask it or, you know, Wes would ask it.

And I'm like, all right, yeah, you know, let's not pass this by. You got to, you got to focus on that, on that one topic or that piece of information. And I just started thinking to myself. It's like, you know, there's enough people out there with experiences with all kinds of weird stuff. And my show is all topics of high strangeness, fringe topics, fringe reality stuff. And I just, you know, the pandemic hit. And I was doing a small local show for a really small community with a buddy of mine. And we pretty much just did local sports and stuff like that.

And I kept wanting to squeeze these weird shows in every once in a while. And it was like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole with him. He's a great guy, but it just didn't mesh with that show. And excuse me. So I decided to invest the money in some good equipment. And I just had this framework of what I wanted to do. And I wanted to start talking to people with similar experiences that I've had. throughout my life and hear their stories and do it in a way that wasn't threatening,

wasn't alienating anybody, wasn't ambushing them, you know, to get them to talk about their crazy stuff and then then beat them up about it. So yeah, and that's where uncomfortable kind of just was born. And, you know, the name is, you know, they're uncomfortable topics for some people to hear about. their uncomfortable topics for some people to talk about. And up until I think it was my fifth episode, I finally realized that it was also going to make me feel uncomfortable at some point as well. And that's one we can talk about when I did dinner with a witch.

And that was a bizarre three hours of my life, to be honest with you. So you did you had dinner with The Witch? I did. Yeah, I had a, I had a listener, you know, and this was, I think I only had three episodes out, four episodes out. I think I might have had two in the can, you know, so I had like a two-week buffer, but I was, I was like, I need a show. And out of the clear blue, this guy messages me in and says, hey, I know of a good interview for you. and basically she is a Native American witch. And I thought it would be,

I thought it'd be a cute hook for the title of the show to be dinner with witch or date night with a witch or, you know, something like that. And so my idea was I was going to contact her and I was going to ask her out for dinner. And we would, you know, take an hour or hour and 15, 20 minutes and get acquainted over something to eat and maybe a drink or two, and then go into doing the interview, right? But, you know, the culture today is a little,

a little against guys doing things the way guys do them. So I started thinking to myself, you know, maybe I'm not going to, maybe I'm not going to ask her out to dinner. And I'm probably not going to end up ending the name in the show. dinner with a date night with a witch or dinner with a witch. So I opted not to to ask her out. I was just going to go meet her at her home. She lived about 35 minutes away from me.

And I thought we'd do the interview in person. So let me, hold on a second, before you go further, all right? Yeah, yeah. Do you make a habit of asking your guests out on dates before you interview? I mean, like this is something I've never heard of before. No, it is not a habit that I make. I just had this idea in my head that I thought it would be a cute, you know, because I wasn't really looking for a gimmick to get people to listen to my show, but I was looking for that, you know, how you name each one of your episodes, right? You know, it dragged me from under a door, you know, it chased me through the woods, something like that.

And I just thought date night with a witch just kind of would be, holy crap, what the hell is this show about? I'm going to give it a listen, you know. And then hopefully within the first few minutes, it'd kind of get hooked. And so I ended up deciding not to ask her out for dinner. And I started backing out of my driveway. And as I was, and like I said, I had about a 35 minute drive to get to her, where, she wanted to do the interview. And my phone goes off.

And I looked at it before I pulled out of the driveway. And it's her. And she sent me a message on Messenger. And she says, have you ate yet? And I was like, that was really weird because the whole time I'd been putting together this show, it was going to take her out to dinner, right? So I messaged her and I said, no, actually, you know, I already have grabbed something to eat. but I said, if you're, if you need to, we can back this up like a half hour if you need to grab

something. And she goes, oh, shoot. And I said, honestly, it's not a big deal. You know, we can back it up a little bit. And she goes, are you sure you don't want to go get something to eat? And I was, you know, my mind's kind of like, because I had already, even after just a couple of episodes, I started getting these weird synchronicities that kind of followed through from show to show.

And I said, listen, if you want to go grab something, I'll go with you. I'll have a drink, but I've already, I've already ate. So she says, perfect. I'll be ready when you get here. And so I get to her house. And she opened the door. And Tony, I'm not going to say this because I don't want to come off sounding like I'm a predator or a, you know,

a male, a male jiggleau or, you know, I'm only out for, for sexual encounters. But I have to say when I opened up, when she opened up the door and I saw her, I was immediately hit with a very animalistic drive. Let's put it that way. So a strong sexual drive, right? That's what you're saying. Yeah. And it was, you know, I,

Let me ask you, before you go further with that, looking back at it, when your mind's eye, when your mind's eye lays eyes on her, do you still have that sense of she was sexy? Or was it one of those things in the moment you're like, I don't know why I feel this way because normally she's not my type? 100%. And this is no offense to her because she's a lovely woman, not my type of woman. just just not my not in my demographic not who I would typically you know work my way towards meeting and introducing myself to and you know trying to get to know this was this was a very this was a very one focused sexual thing and and I you know I'm a guy and I as a guy who likes women, I like women.

And, you know, but I can tell you, Tony, that the feelings that I was having, uh, towards, towards her, the first sight of her was not me. It was not, it was not a typical of how I, how I behave. So that, that was a, that was an unusual feeling for me. So I did the gentlemanly thing and I opened the door for her. We got in the car and we drove, I don't know, maybe 20 minutes to this little bar restaurant. And we sat down. She ordered dinner.

I ordered a drink. And she ended up ordering a steak and mushrooms and French, and she has a tiny little thing. And I was like, good Lord, man. Where are you going to put all this stuff? You know? And I was going to pay for it just out of thanking her for doing the interview. And she says, don't worry, I'm paying for it.

So I've already got a checklist in my head going that, you know, I was originally going to ask her out to dinner. And I decided not to because I didn't want to offend anybody that might be listening to the show or offend her or, you know, I just didn't want to offend anybody. So I chose not to do it. But then she asked me to go to dinner. How does, okay, before you continue with this checklist, I, I, listen, I have not been in the dating scene for half my life now. I've been with my wife since I was 18. I'm 36 now. You're a lucky man. I really am. But I don't understand what's offensive about anything, the idea of asking her to dinner?

Boy, Tony, you know, sometimes you turn on the TV and maybe it's not as prevalent now as it was a year, year and a half ago. But, you know, there seemed to be some real man bashing. Oh, okay, I see. You know what I mean? Gotcha. Like our behavior was being judged by whoever. And I didn't, you know, I was trying to get a new podcast off on the right foot. And I became hyper aware of, man, if I do this and it's received in a bad light,

I could be shooting myself in the foot, right? So over overthinking is what I'm hearing right now because. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I totally get it because I've been there and I still struggle with that myself from time to time, you know? Like I don't want to offend people. I just got to the point where I'm just like, I'm going to offend somebody with something I say almost on a weekly basis. It is what it is. So what you're talking about is the whole toxic masculinity thing. I got you. I got you. Okay. We can move off that because I'm trying to steer people towards your podcast. So we can move if you're afraid it's going to offend people, we'll just move away from it. But go ahead with the checklist. I just said chick list. See, I just offended some of us. I just offended somebody. Yeah.

And to be clear, Tony, I mean, I don't think there's anything about my show that exhibits any toxic masculinity. I was just that hyper aware of trying, you know, it's a new upstart. It's a new business. It's a new venture for me. It's, you know, I mean, I haven't made a dime off of the show. But it was something that I was feeling really passionate about. And I didn't want to kill it by acting in a way. way or doing something wrong right off the bat.

I'll tell you what, it might have been one of the best moves you've ever made by doing something like that and going public with it because there's a lot of people out there that want a free dinner. And if they know that you're going to buy dinner, you'll have people lying up to come on your show. Possibly, possibly. So, you know, we did the dinner thing. And, you know, she ate.

I had a drink or two. And the bill came to the table and it was $46. dollars even. 46.00. I can't remember ever going anywhere in paying an even number like that. That was just an odd, it was an odd receipt to get, you know, a ticket at the table.

And I told her, I said, you know, don't worry about it. I'll get it. It's my thank you for doing the interview. And so we got done. We left and we drove back to her home.

And while we were going back to her home, she says, oh, turn around down. this road and we kind of went into a curve and along that curve was a guardrail that that curved along with the curve and and there was an obvious like two track that went back into the woods and this area you know I mean it was residential ish you know houses weren't on top of each other that's for sure they were they were sparked. firstly placed, but she said, pull up here. And so I pulled up to the guardrail and she says, this is where my big boy lives.

And I just kind of looked at her and I said, who's your big boy? And she goes, SETI. And I'm sure I had a quizzical look on my face. And she says, that's where the big boy lives. And she got out of the car and she said, roll your window down. And she put her hands up to either side of her face. and she just out into the woods. And it was a it was a big foot wop.

I mean, essentially is what it was that she did. And I'm going to say that I heard something come back. And she got back in the car. And we drove around this curve. And then like all of a sudden, boom, we were at her. house. So wherever that road was that had the curve in it, that had the guardrail, that was within a block of, of her home. But we went like down two streets and it was, it was, it kind of discombobulated where I thought I was going one way, but I wasn't. I was going a different

way. And then we wind up right at her home. And so I thought that was kind of, I thought that was weird that she got out of the car and this was this was going to be an interview about her being a Native American witch and she apparently has Bigfoot stuff going on. So we got to her house, she opened up the front door. I carried my equipment in and she led me up this really narrow stairs up into the upstairs of the house. And I mean, it was tight, Tony. It was tight. I'm You know, I'm only 5'9, but I'm like 270 pounds, 260 pounds. I'm pretty good-sized guy. And my shoulders, I had to turn sideways to get my equipment and me up the stairs.

And we get to this door and she opens the door and there's a bed. And I was like, what the hell is going on here? Toxic masculinity. Forget that. toxic femininity. So I'm like, she says, is this okay? And I said, yeah. I'm sorry.

Is this okay? Like, I just, I'm picturing this as a comedy almost. Like in my head, I'm like, don't, don't take your shirt off, bro. Just wait for further clarification before you get too excited. So, and quite honestly, I mean, that what you just said, that's going through my head. like so so I've got this I've got this interview to do right and I've got this great framework in my head of you know how I'm going to produce a show and and put it out but I've got this new thing where when I when I'm looking at her I've got I've got more than just an interview

on my mind and it's you know I'm not going to say that I've never looked at another woman found myself attracted to her. And, you know, but this was, this was just kind of odd. And then she leads me up this narrow hallway upstairs and we go into a bedroom. And I'm kind of like, I'm trying to figure it out, to be honest with you. So I kind of just, okay, let's get everything set up. Let me get the microphones out. Let me get the roadcaster out.

and let's start talking and everything will level out. Okay. So I'm sitting in this chair that's up against the wall. And to my left hand side of me, there is the door that we came into that room. Well, when we came into that room, she closed the door behind me. And, you know, if I'm being honest, there was a portion of me that was thinking that something was going to happen. you know, of a sexual nature, okay?

Because that's where my head was at right now. And so she sits down in front of me, and we've got this, basically, it's like a card table in front of us, and I've got the mics on it. And so we start talking, and we get, she's a very interesting woman. I mean, she can trace back her family lineage on both her, I think, are on her father's side, all the way back to Chief Cornstalk, or, is that right, Chief Cornstalk? Yeah, the, the guy that, like, ultimately placed the curse on Point Pleasant West Virginia. Wow.

Where the, where the moth band sightings were. He was actually married to Pocahontas's sister. And on her mom's side, they've apparently been able to trace their lineage back to actual druids over in Europe. You know, so that you talk about, hey, my, my ancestors come from Hungary, you know, and we've been here for quite a long time. It's not like we had any descendants that just came over on the boat. But when you're talking like two, three hundred years that they can go back in,

on both sides of her family. And I thought that was pretty astounding. So we talked about that for a while. And, you know, I'm sitting there. I'm up against a wall. I'm looking at her. I've got unnatural affinity for, you know, what I want to do. There's a bed behind her.

And I'm looking around this room. And everywhere I look, there's some kind of a statue or a painting or a picture or a picture or, you know, you know, of some kind of a cryptid, whether it be a wolf man, a werewolf, a dog man, crows, dream catchers are hanging all around. And, you know, it's just, man, it was kind of a, it was kind of a surreal atmosphere that I found myself in. And as she was talking, she started telling me about somebody who had previously lived in that house and was an older African-American woman who actually passed away in the house. And so let me back up real quick and say that when we got to the house, she said that her brother also lived there. He was disabled to some extent, and she was living there helping take care of him.

So, okay, now we go back to, we're in the bedroom, the door is closed, we're having our conversation. she's telling me about this Native American or this African American woman who passed away in the house. And as I'm sitting there and I'm paying attention to what she's telling me, I see this hand reach through the doorway and just kind of shake the hand like somebody was waving, you know, just real quick. And out of my left hand peripheral vision, I see this, you know, not quite up to the elbow, but the hand and the forearm reach in. and wave and I immediately think to myself that that was her brother's arm and he was just like letting her know that he was there, but he wasn't going to interrupt or whatever. And a few moments go by and I just kind of glanced off to left hand side. The door is closed and the doorknob was close to my left shoulder.

So if that door would have opened, I certainly would have seen the door open. I was literally within 12 inches of it. That door didn't open. I saw an arm reach through a closed door and wave at her, right as she's telling me about this African-American lady who passed away in the house before they started living there. So now I'm like, holy shit, did I just see a ghost? Did I just freaking see a ghost put its arm through the door? You know, I mean, I can't tell you if it was white and pasty or see-through or anything like that. All I can tell you is I know that I saw a hand and the thumb seemed to be pointing towards me.

So I'm assuming it was a left hand that reached through the door and just shook at the wrist and like waved at her. Did she acknowledge it? I can't answer that. I don't know. I've thought about that too. and, you know, I don't videotape my, my bedroom interview encounters. So I didn't have anything to go back in. I'll tell you what.

Next time you go to a witch's house and do an interview in person after dinner and it's hypersexualized situation, do yourself a favor for legal purposes. Here cameras. Wear a GoPro. So, but, you know, I did think about that. And honestly, I can't tell you if she would have. made any any kind of motion with her head or anything to indicate that she had seen it. I don't remember her doing so.

If she did, it went unrecognized by me. So, you know, now I'm like, I'm thinking $46 even. That was weird. I was going to ask her out for dinner, decided not to. She asked me out for dinner. Pretty much wouldn't take no for an answer. she opens up the door. I'm like, I got urges like crazy.

And then she brings me back to her house and we're going to do an interview in her bedroom, two feet away from her bed. And then, you know, I got a ghost arm reaching through, you know. And I might be a, I might be 90 minutes into this whole ordeal at this point. And we start, we start going more into the conversation. and, you know, she's talking about she is an actual witch in the sense of what we would consider a witch. Because I thought maybe by being a Native American witch, she meant maybe more something like a shaman or, you know, a Native American healer or something like that. She clarified that she was a witch.

And she also made no bones about telling me that she, uh, was pretty much a gray witch. She, she had no problems with using the, the white magic, the light, the light and the good. Um, but she also had no problems delving into the darker side and the dark magic. Um, and she started telling me about some of the, um, some of the gods, little G gods that she uses, one of which was Loki, um, from Norris mythology. And she started telling me about how she had this protector that was basically either a werewolf or a dogman that was her like spirit protector.

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and I thought it was odd that she brought this up, but she said some of the men that she has been involved with had been scared away by this thing because it had shown itself to them. And she said, so she said, so if you see it, and then just kind of, you know, looked at me and I was like,

good Lord, you know, what the hell am I? What the hell have I gotten myself into here? So we continue talking about that and the conversation kind of led into about about what I had experienced when we pulled off to the side by that guardrail. And I said, so you have you have Bigfoot in this area. And she goes,

oh yeah. She says, they're all over the place here. Now, you know, the area that she's in, I'm going to give her, I'll give you a rundown on, you know, most of it was farmland, interspersed with woods. I know there was a good size river that was running through.

I'm not going to say the name of the river because I don't want to give away the property too much. The river ran behind her house. There was a bit of a, a bit of a valley right down her backyard. would lead down into this little valley. There was pretty good. Some people would call it a creek. I would say it was a little bit bigger than a creek.

And then on the other side, it would go back up. And it was all wooded and it was woods for as far back as you could see behind it. And she said that she would leave offerings out for them. And they would even come up as close as the back porch and take food off the back porch that she would leave out for them. And so we're in this conversation. And like I said before, you know, she's in front me. The bed is two feet behind her. And then the back wall of this bedroom is all windows.

And these windows are looking out across the front street, the street in front of their house, into an open field that maybe 75, 80 feet off the road, there's this island of trees in it. you know, you go past a farmland and you see this little pocket of trees that never got torn down. You always wonder, why the hell did they leave that up? Why do they plow around it? Why don't they just get rid of them?

That's kind of like what this was. And the next thing that happened was, and I still have a hard time fathoming the physical reaction that I have. There was a very loud, very voluminous, um, scream that I thought I heard. And she and I both reacted to it.

And when I say I thought I heard it, I'll try to explain what I mean by that. We both reacted instantaneously when we heard this thing. Now, we both had, we both had over the ear headphones on. and we were listening to each other's audio through the roadcaster. So this noise that came through this room was so loud that it shot through the mics, through the headphones.

And I had, dude, I had goose bumps on every inch of my body. I've never had chill bumps on my torso or on my, you know, on the sides of my, my sternum. It was, my hair was standing up on my arms. I held my arm up and I looked at her and she held her arm up and she goes, did you hear that? And I said, yeah, what the hell was that? And she says, that was him. And I said, that was who? And she goes, that was SETI.

That was the big boy. And Tony, I'm going to tell you that for, from the time it happened, for a good two minutes, my body was going through something that I've never experienced before. And I was getting these chills all over. And then it would fade. And then it would come back. And it might not be quite as strong as it was initially. and then it would fade off.

And the goosebumps would kind of go away. But then they'd come back. And it wasn't quite as strong as it was the time before that. It was like a weird ebb and flow, like a tide that was rolling out and then would roll back in. And, you know, I was, I had to edit part of that out because there was, there was a lot of dead error because I really just, I had no idea what to say. and I got so excited because I knew that with the quality of equipment that I had set up in that room, that I surely picked that up. And I was like, I can't wait until I get home.

Could you say that again? My apology. Holy crap. I jumped. I just jumped so hard there. What in the hell? What the heck? Like, like, I'm not.

kidding you, I got chills on my that is a voice I did not expect to hear. Oh my God. Oh, my Lord. What did you say to bring that up? I have no idea. We'd have to go back and listen what Oh, man. Was that your phone?

That was my watch. Was it like an Apple watch? Yeah. So you, like, did you say Siri or something? You were saying setty, but that wasn't like you just said it just there. Yeah. No. Wow. That's wild, dude.

Okay. I'm going to leave that in because that's, that's some right there. That's some gold. That's what we call radio gold in the industry. Wow. Wow. Okay. So, you know, I'm trying to come to terms with what I heard. and to me it was it was extremely loud we both reacted to it immediately um she had chill bumps on her arm i had chill bumps all over and tony honestly the first thing that ran through my mind is shit i left my freaking gun out in the car that's the first thing that went through my head immediately and the second thing that went through my head was god damn it i got 40 pounds of dog food in my back seat. Why? Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, you know, and I thought, God, what a weird,

what a weird combination of things to have go through my head. Right. And so, you know, we kind of got past this, but in the back of my head, I'm thinking, man, I can't wait until I'm done with this so I can get home because, you know, it was on a weekday night. I work a regular job during the day, but there was no way I was not going to transfer this audio onto my computer and isolate what just happened so that I can send it to my son and anybody else who knows that I'm, you know, kind of a big foot nut. And I guess I can jump ahead and say that when I, when I isolated that, you can hear her finishing a sentence. And the last word of the sentence that she gets out of her mouth is the word and. And right as she's pronouncing,

the d the d sound at the end of the word and way in the background in the most faintest sound you can hear this this little this little whoop and it made no it made absolutely no sense to me because because in person it sounded so loud it gave you chills so like you're expecting this to be very voluminous oh yeah on the recording 100% and I was floored. I was like, what in the hell? There was nothing. And then I, you know, I cranked up the volume and I could just hear that little

at the end of her pronunciation of the D. So, you know, that was that was very quizzical after, but, you know, I'll get back to the interview with her. We went on to continue to talk about some things. And, you know, it was a very interesting. She was a very nice lady. I didn't get any amount of BS coming from her. She seemed to be very, very enthralled as a wrong world, but she seemed that the lifestyle

of being a witch was something that she was very, it incorporated a lot of her life. She was really into being a witch. and we talked about her coven, which she really would not go into numbers as far as how many other witches were in the area, but she said you'd be astounded to know how many are in practicing in the area that she was. And I thought that was pretty interesting, kind of scary, but interesting. And, you know, they have gatherings on a regular basis, and they affect change for people that need it, whether it's somebody who needs money or whether somebody was done wrong and, you know, somebody needs to be taught a lesson. I mean, they kind of run the gambit as far as, you know, doing good things and doing bad things. So that was a little unnerving for me.

But we get towards the end of the evening. And she, I think at this point, we had already shut off the recording and I was getting everything packed up. And she says to me, she's like, oh, I've, I got to get you in touch with a friend of mine. He'd be great on your show. And I said, oh, really? And she goes, yeah, absolutely. And I sat back down and I said, is his name Eric? And she said, how did you know?

And I said, I didn't. But I've been trying to get a hold of this guy named Eric for like a month and a half, two months. Because my very first interview was with a demonologist out of Kalamazoo, Michigan. and he suggested that I talked to this gentleman by the name of Eric Vernor. Now, Eric was an author who went by the name of, oh, God, I can't remember his pen name, but it sounded like a vampire, you know, but his real name is Eric Vrenor, and he is a reverend in the Church of Satan in Fort Wayne, Indiana. He says, I know that it seems odd that I'm associated with the church and that I'm telling you to talk to this guy who's in the church of Satan, but he says he's a very intelligent guy and he says, I think you'd enjoy having a conversation with him. Well, excuse me, this is the same guy that she's recommending that I talk to and she says she's friends with him.

and within three days, I get a message from him on the same messenger that I've been trying to get a hold of him for over a month and a half. And he finally responds to me and says, hey, Susan says, I should talk to you. So I was like, man, that's, that's bizarre. How did she pull out of the clear blue, knowing nothing about me, knowing nothing about any of my other episodes? and the fact that Eric Vrenora was never brought up during the recording with the demonologist. It was something that we had talked about in a different phone conversation. How does she wind up bringing the same person up that I'm looking for? So that goes into my checklist of weird shit that's going on.

And she sits down on the corner of the bed. And she's already got her coat on. She's got this waist length leather coat. She's sitting there, blue jeans, got her hair pulled up. And she sits down on the corner of the bed. And I'm expressing to her how floored I am that she was able to single out somebody who I was having so much problems getting a hold of. And as I'm saying this to her, Tony, I'm not shitting you, man.

This is going to make me sound like an absolute freaking whack job. But as I'm telling her this, the lines on her face. just kind of smooth out. And her coat goes away, and her clothes go away, and she is sitting on the corner of the bed with her legs crossed, being completely nude and being maybe like a 20-year-old version of herself. And I lost my words, dude.

I absolutely lost my word. And then just like if you, you know, the old etch of sketch, when you turn it upside down and you just shake it and everything that you just drew kind of goes away. Yeah. That's that's kind of the effect. It was like a graininess to this shimmer that happened. And then she goes back to being Susan sitting there in blue jeans and a leather jacket. And she leans forward and I still, I got no words. And I'm sure my look on my face was like what the, and she leaned forward and she just had this, this Cheshire cat grin on her face.

And she says, what's matter, hon? What did you see? I didn't say I saw anything. I didn't say anything. And I just said, never mind. Never mind. And I grabbed my stuff and we, we exited. did the room. We went down this narrow hallway, went out through the front door, and I start

putting my stuff into my backseat of my car right next to the 40 pounds of dog food. And I close the back door. She steps out in front of my car. And that's, and she kind of turns her back to me and she faces away to the back. And she puts her hands back up to her mouth again. And she does another whoop. A dude within 10 seconds, there is a very loud whoop that comes like, as far as the direction goes, I can only guess. But from what it sounded to me, if you went straight back across her property onto that hill that was on the other side of the river or the stream, I hear a whoop come back.

And then as soon as that one goes, I hear another one that seems like it's maybe 60, 70, 100 yards. off to my right-hand side, I hear another one, and then I hear one from behind me that seemed like it was about as far as the second one, which would have put it right about where that island of trees was that I was telling you when, you know, looking out through that window. And she turns back and she looks at me and she goes,

isn't that cool? And I'm like, I'm like, is it, though? Is it really cool? I don't know, because it kind of scared the shit out of me. And, you know, so I said my good nights and I get in the car and I, Tony, I'm going to be 57 years old in June. And I, I spent my early 20s as a bouncer in a bar. I'm not afraid of a whole lot. I carry a, I carry a weapon.

I'm not typically a scarty cat. I've had some ghost experiences in my life. Nothing that was ever like super scary. Like, oh my God, I was terrified. When I got in my car to drive back home, like I said, her area was pretty rural farmland, intermixed with, you know, trees, lots of trees and then farmland. But the road was kind of snaky. It was a lot of S turns. I get in the car and I hit, call my.

son immediately. And I will not, I will not turn on my bright lights because I had, Tony, I did not want to see, I didn't want to see light. I didn't want to see eyes shine looking back at me when I was going through these curves looking out at my car. I left my low beams on because I didn't want to see what was in the trees. And my son answers the phone. He goes, hey, what's going on? I said, Jake, man, I got 35 minute drive home. I said, you got to, you got to stay with me on this. You got to talk me down from this shit because I have no idea what the hell I just went

through. And he starts laughing. He's like, what's going on? And so I told him about, you know, eventually, pretty quick, I got to the point where I'm telling him about this noise that I heard in that room. And he's like, oh, man, well, he says, what did it sound like? Was it like a whoop? Was it a scream? Was it a yell? Was it a, you know, was it this? Was it that? Was it this? Was it that?

And I love my son and I love my daughter and I rarely raise my voice at them, you know, but he just kept asking me all these questions. And I was like, God damn it, enough. I don't know. I don't know what I heard. Okay. All I know is I heard it. And at that point, it hit me that I could not, just like I'm trying to describe it to you, I can't describe what the sound was. Now, I haven't, I haven't gotten to my house yet to put this audio on the computer, so I don't know what I captured. And I was just, you know, I was frustrated. I was, and I was getting angry because he kept asking me questions that I couldn't answer. I wasn't getting mad at him because he was asking me questions. I was getting angry because I could not answer simple questions that he was asking me. And Tony, it took me, you know, I get home and I put the audio on

my computer and I'm, you know, I had to pump up the volume a little bit and I isolated it and I, you know, did a little bit of noise reduction so I could finally hear this thing. And, you know, my stomach just dropped because I knew I had a class B or class A, Sasquatch hoop, whoop, whatever the hell you want to call it, scream on this, on this recording. And I had this little, you know, it could have almost been, you know, like the tail end of a small owl. And I mean, you get our reactions.

on the recording. You get our conversation on the recording, but the noise, the voluminous, that bombastic noise that I heard in that room is not there. And it hit me. You hear people talk about getting zapped by Bigfoot. You've heard that term used?

Of course. Well, when people talk about being zapped, zapped to me is an electrical thing. If you touch a barrel wire, you get zapped, right? And I've always kind of associated people talking about being zapped as being hit with infrasound. And when I think back about how my body reacted and how she reacted, I think what happened was I think we felt what happened more than we heard what happened. I think it was an innate shock to our physical bodies because it was either an electrical impulse of some kind or something that was generated by infrasound.

It's the only thing that makes any sense. So when people talk about zapped now, being zapped by these things, I think I have a much better understanding of what it is that they were going. going through. And that's the only, that's the only explanation I can come up with. Wow. So that was the weirdest three hours of my life, my friend. Uh, yeah. Yeah. I'd say so. Um, so did she, when, when you heard the whoop and, and you guys reacted to it, uh, did she seem like kind of taken back by it? Like you were, like, like, like, like in a sense that maybe like, like, that was her first time ever being exact. No, absolutely not.

The way she reacted, you know, she held her arm up and she had goosebumps. I saw that. The hair on her arms was standing up. I saw that. And her basic reaction was, isn't that neat. You know, that happens all the time. Okay. And, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I went to her house.

So is the potential for somebody to be goofing on me and, you know, is it there? Yeah. I suppose you have to accept the fact that it could be, but I don't know how, I don't know how in the world they would have achieved doing that. You know, and, you know, going back to the arm coming through the door, that was, that was, you know, I mean, there were. so many things that were, I guess maybe use the word profound that happened during that interview. And for her to just pull Eric Vennor completely out of the clear blue with not having any idea that I'm after this guy trying to talk to him, trying to try to set up an interview,

there was nothing in my previous episode that I was trying to look for this guy. I never posted about it on Facebook. In fact, I'm not a, the only reason I have Facebook is to help promote the show. You know, my personal Facebook, it doesn't even have a photo of me. It's just got a characterature of me. I don't go around posting every time, you know, my kid farts or, you know, please send prayers because I got a hang nail. I just, I just don't, I'm more of a private person than that.

So there's not, there's not a lot of information out there about me. It was just so, so bizarre, some, such a, you know, and, you know, I think I want to say that it was either three or five days went by and I called her. And I said, you know, I got to, I got to ask you a question. And she said, what's that? And I, she goes, oh, no, did something happen with the recording? And I said, no, I said, recording's fine. And I said, you know, whatever we heard in your bedroom did not really come through. And she goes, oh, that's too bad.

And I said, that's not why I'm calling. I said, you know, when you, at the end of it where you asked me what I saw. And I said, where I was kind of stumbling over my words. And she goes, yeah. And I said, you know what I saw. And she said, no, I don't. And I said, Susan, I saw you like turn into a 20, year old version of yourself, but you were bare-ass naked sitting on the corner of your bed.

And I said, from the time you opened the door when I got to your house, I said, I was struck with a very animalistic urge to do nothing more than have a sexual encounter with you. And I could hear her kind of, I don't want to say laugh for, and I don't want to say giggle, but you could hear there was like a little on the other end of the phone. And I said, I need to know if you did that to me. And she goes, no, honey, I didn't. And I said, with all respect, I said, I'm having a hard time believing that. And she said, maybe it was my, maybe it was my spirit guides.

And I said, to what end? For what reason? Why would they have done that? And she goes, maybe they were trying to test out your intentions. Maybe they were trying to figure out why you were really here. And what did you say? I'm still, you can tell, I'm, I still, I don't know how to respond to it. Because at that moment that I was there, absolutely, I wanted to have an sexual engagement

with that woman. But that's not why I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, know that prior to getting there. I mean, and I had seen her prior to us doing the interview, so I knew what she looked like. And it was just, Tony, it was so bizarre. It really was, it was, I was, I found myself having, I'm going to say this and it makes me sound bad, but I don't, I don't mean it to. I found myself having thoughts that I don't, I don't normally, think that way. My, you know, I felt, I felt dirty.

I felt like a predator in her presence. And I'm not that, I'm not that person. So it was, it was really an odd, uncomfortable, you know, and I think even at the beginning of that episode, I did a little monologue before. And I said, you know, I named the show uncomfortable because I thought I'd be handling some topics that would be uncomfortable for some people to listen to, that would be topics that would be, that would make some people feel uncomfortably hearing about.

But I never imagined that it would be me being made to feel uncomfortable because of an interview that I was doing. Yeah. It surely did. It surely did. Hmm. So. Well, uh, I don't believe.

her. Okay. So I don't care what you believe. I'm just saying for me, her, like, her transforming into a younger version of herself completely naked in front of you when you were having that struggle all evening with the, the sexual desires. Like, you know, I think that there's definitely something that was happening there that she was aware of, at least, whether she was doing it or not, I think she was aware of it. And I have talked to other people. I don't know if I've ever talked to anybody on the show, but I know this is often a request that is kept like, hey, I don't want this on the show, but, you know, I've talked to a handful, let's say three to five people over the years that have said very similar things to me as you during this interview where they were in the

presence of a witch and they were hit with a very strong sexual desire. And they were a hit with a very strong sexual desire. And this one guy said that he actually knows when he's in the presence of a witch because he's like, what do you say, irrationally hypersexualized to certain people that he would not be otherwise. And so I don't know. Maybe he's just a perv, right? Interesting.

But he said that he can identify people who are witches like that. I'm just like, all right, cool, you know. Well, maybe I don't know if it's cool or not. But either way, it's not the first time I've heard of something like that. I actually was kind of expecting you to tell me you did have sex with her at some point during the night, especially when you said that you saw her naked, the younger version. I was like, oh, here comes. The spell is in full effect.

I really did. I thought that you were going to tell me. And then I woke up in my bedroom in the morning. And, you know, like, so, yeah. But hey, man, listen, the, the big foot she called SETI. Yeah. Do you recognize that name SETI at all? Oh, I certainly do.

And I brought it up with her. And she was shocked when I said, search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Yeah. Her use of the word SETI is apparently an Egyptian god. It's interesting that SETI, and I believe NASA uses SETI, right? So, yes. So, I mean, it's interesting that NASA is using SETI and it's an ancient terminology that she identifies with. Exactly.

I've never heard of any kind of theory or thought that NASA is nefarious. So this is really catching me off guard. But that was sarcasm. Really? Really? There we go. Enter laugh. But yeah, I'll tell you.

what man that experience was uh one for the record uh record books and uh listen um i've got to ask you what your thoughts are on dog man then knowing that what she told you about as far as uh the the i think what was it her spirit guide was that this yeah yeah so uh that there's that aspect of it then you the the i guess pictures that were in the room of different types of wolf men and things like that. Right. Yeah. Did it, did it shape at all that experience and just that very specific detail in that

experience? Did it shape you at all as to what you think Dogman is? You know, Tony, dog man for me is a tough one, man. I have, I have zero problem believing in Bigfoot. There is, there is so much that makes sense to me about Bigfoot that it's not even a thing, right? I mean, you're wasting your time if you're going to try to get me to believe because I'm already there. But dog man to me, dog man to me, if it's an actual thing, I don't believe there's any way that it cannot be something that is, is supernatural in its origins.

You know, Bigfoot to me, DNA, you know, human on the woman's side, unknown on the other side. You know, we're so close to simians and primates that that doesn't seem like it's a hard one for me to wrap my head around at all. But, you know, when you're talking about something that's more of a canine nature with, with he, human form, that doesn't make sense to me. And I've struggled with that. And I have a listener out of Texas who, God love him, he's super, super engaged with the show. And he's always sending me messages after each week's show, you know, hey man, hey, bro, I like the show.

What do you think about Dogman? When are you going to have somebody on about Dogman? And, you know, that one that you had on that prompted you to go down and do the the investigation in the Daniel Boone. You know, that was, that was an incredible tale. And I'm not saying that I don't believe it. It was amazing. But I don't know, man.

I don't, I have no idea where to put dog man on my map. You know, I'm very, I lived in Michigan for, for several years. I'm basically right on the state line of Michigan now. You know, Michigan seems to have almost been the birthplace of dogman with as many encounters as, as are listed there. I don't know. You know, being a Native American, we talked about, you know, skin walkers, bear walkers. everything with Native Americans is so so spiritual and so steeped in the the afterlife that you know, I just can't help feel that it's something that's definitely not a,

it's got to be supernatural. It's got to be. It sounds like to me you are having a very. hard time. Saying that dog man could be super or is or could be supernat. It sounds to me like you're having a very hard time in the sense that you really, it sounds like to me in your gut, you don't believe it's a physical creature and that you want to say there's something paranormal about it, but it's hard for you to say because

of some reason. I don't know. Well, you know, I mean, I guess I, you're right to some extent. I have, I have no problems with, with paranormal. I had, I had some very profound experiences after the passing of my dad. And, and I've gone ghost hunting, you know, at local graveyards. And inside of one night, I got a photograph and I got an audio recording. and a video of an orb that just appeared and zipped around for, you know, a split second and then disappeared.

I, I, that was all I needed. You know, that coupled with the experiences I had when my dad passed away, like I said, we're very profound. I have no problems believing in there being a paranormal aspect to, to the life that we live. but dog man i don't know man dog man just you know i've got a i've got a golden doodle as a pet dog and he is just a fluffy you look at him you smile you can't help it he's just he looks goofy all he wants to do is you know put his head on you and get pets um but when you put a when you put a wolf's head or a uh a german shepherd looking shaped head

on a human torso and it's got hair and it's it's you know that's that's pretty terrifying you know and if there's any truth to skin walkers and you know i don't know man there's there's some things in this life that um even though i i admit belief in there are things that i don't really want to expose my my spiritual armor to does that make sense yeah yeah uh you know i just i'm sitting here listening to you and i think it's just it's so interesting that i got the host of uncomfortable here and it sounds like he's very uncomfortable talking about dogman it just i think here's the thing man like so it sounds to me like you're still trying to wrap your mind around it and you just don't know what you think about it yet you just don't know how you feel about it

you don't know how it fits into any kind of box for you at all. And so it sounds like you're still you're still off to the side hammering away at a new box to try figuring if the dog mail will fit in that box. And that's fine. That's fine. Everybody's at different spots and stuff with all these different kind of topist and stuff. And honestly, I mean, within the last year, my my thought process when it comes to Dogman specifically has changed dramatically. And I have no problems whatsoever, saying that I think Dogman is very much physical and paranormal, supernatural, whatever you want to call it. There are so many things that have come across my way in the last year, specifically towards Dogman, that made me really reassess things. And so everybody has to

cross those roads and bridges when they come. And you can't force it either. You can't force that bridge to have to cross it any time. Like it just comes when it comes. And there's these things in times where, especially as a podcast or the paranormal, where you never know when it's coming, but there will be a time several times where just the light bulb goes on. And all of a sudden you're just like, holy crap, I never thought of it that way. And all of a sudden, it's like, it's so glaringly obvious in your mind as this new way of thinking.

And you're like, why did I ever not think of this before? it's really because it's an accumulation of knowledge that you picked up over time that is piece milled together and all of a sudden you have a new picture. So, man, listen, I think that for me personally, I think Dogman is very physical and supernatural. I've heard people talk about their stories and experiences with a very physical creature. And I've heard experiences where these things are coming through a portal after summoned and opened up by a witch. So it's like, well, how do you put those two things together? I think that they could be very different and two different topics that we're talking about. And I think it could be the same topic at the same time.

I'm very, I'm very, no, better not say that. Let's just put it this way. I think that it's a very evolving situation. I think that there's a lot of complexities to it that we don't necessarily totally understand at this moment. So that said, Eric, man. And listen, I'm going to wrap this up with you because I think that less is more in some situations and your dinner with The Witch. I don't know if there's anybody that listening right now that isn't compelled to go and check out your podcast, especially that episode where you talk about it and interview her. So on the way out, tell the people what your show's called, where they can find it, and what episode can they look for this interview that you had

with The Witch? Hey, Tony, thanks for having me on, man. I really appreciate it. It's uncomfortable podcast. There's several uncomfortable shows out there. So to narrow it down, if you do a search, Uncomfortable, Eric, just follow it with my first name, E-R-C-K. It's on all of the podcast formats, Apple, iTunes, Spotify,

down the list, it's on everything. I got 54 episodes out there plus, I think, 10 bonus episodes. I absolutely encourage anyone who has interest in this kind of stuff. Probably half of my episodes, or damn close to it, are revolving around Bigfoot. A lot of the episodes revolve around the state of Michigan, for whatever reason. gone after that market, but they seem to have attracted themselves to me. And you can get a hold of me, email at contact.uncomfortable at gmail.com. Anywhere on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Uncomfortable Podcast.

And just, man, I would appreciate it if people go listen. We've got a lot of episodes out there. I've got some really cool stuff coming up here for the summer. And, man, it's been an absolute pleasure talking with you, Tony. I appreciate it so much. Absolutely, man. So everybody listening right now, please go check out Eric's podcast, Uncomfortable. And before you hit play, if you're listening on, well, on any podcast app,

but if you're specifically listening on Apple podcasts, before you even hit play on his podcast, be a solid human being and give him a five-star rating and review. and then go ahead and listen to his podcast because that's what kind people do. So Eric, thanks for coming on the show and sharing that bizarre experience. I know you've had a lot of different experiences in your life, but like I said, I really think I was probably about 30 minutes into this interview with you. And I was like, this is going to be at least an hour story. And I think less is more.

And let's just let people marinate on what you just said because I think it was fantastic. So I appreciate it coming on, man. thanks a lot man thank you so much tony i really appreciate the opportunity it's been great talking to you been listening to you for quite a while now and uh love what you're doing well that's sure everybody i really hope you enjoyed it and if you did enjoy it i know you did enjoy it because i enjoyed that one and i know you guys did too uh listen if you enjoyed it though please go ahead and share the show with your friends family i don't care who you share the show with just share the show if you enjoyed it that's literally the best thing you can do to help this show grow is to share it with

friends and family, even your enemies. Just take your phone out and text it to everybody. It was a great one. Wouldn't you say, Eric? I'll tell you what, man. I never get tired of talking about that that night. I really don't. I mean, so many, I've said this a million times, three of the weirdest hours of my life. I mean, more stuff happened to be during that, that interview than I don't know. It's just, it's mind boggling. But yeah, I absolutely enjoy. talking with you about it. And I know we were we were kind of supposed to talk about a lot of things and how we just, I delved right into that one and it took up the whole hour, hour plus. So I apologize for that, but hopefully, hopefully your listeners enjoyed it. And if they did, please head over

to my show and check it out. I think if you like that episode, I think you'll like what I've got out there. Absolutely. And you don't ever have to apologize for talking. Okay, you're a podcaster. That's we do, we talk. And if anybody criticizes you for talking, tell them they should probably stop listening to podcasts. Anyways, listen, friends, uncomfortable podcast. Go ahead and check it out. Follow him, leave five stars rating reviews, and then you hit play. That's the way it works. That's the order it works. You always show love before you hit play because that's what decent human beings do. All right, friends, until next week, stay safe, take care and remember the truth will set you free, but first we'll piss you off. If you remember, head on over to the overtime for

Bangor Heater, let's go. Woo-hoo! Have you ever heard of the Freaky Deaky Podcast? Uh, no. Dude, let me tell you something. These guys, they really freaking suck. Because that's just what Warriors do.