The Confessionals - 468: The Oak Ridge Dogman Portals

Episode Date: August 16, 2022

In Episode 468: The Oak Ridge Dogman Portals, we bring Adam into the studio! I have made it no secret as of late that I not only believe there is a parallel world like the Upside Down in Stranger Things, I am also on the verge of saying I know it exists and is far more complex and dangerous than the Stranger Things show leads us to think. A few weeks ago, Adam emailed me after hearing me discuss CERN, Oak Ridge, portals in those locations, and entities coming through them. In Adam's email, he said,"I'm ready to talk about something that happened to me involving Oak Ridge and the undeniable evil demonic entities I know are coming through there. It's a lot to talk about but I'm coming to you because I heard you mention something about the portals there. I can honestly say it's nothing like you've ever heard and it's hard to believe but I swear on my life it's true. That said it directly involves this hell beast called 'Dogman' which I now believe is not from anywhere but another dimension."With that information, I knew I had to get Adam in the studio as fast as possible to hear what he's been through. Adam experienced an event that lasted three days and traversed multiple locations. One late night when he was fishing near the Oak Ridge facility in Tennessee, he encountered UFOs acting in strange ways that hadn’t yet been heard about on this show. Those UFOs led to him encountering portals, and culminated in a high-speed chase down the highway with creatures trying to push Adam’s car off the road. How Adam survived their attack will leave you on the edge of your seat, as it did me sitting across the table from him! Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelOUTRO MUSICVanTesla - ShutUp N DriveYouTube: https://bit.ly/3yH4kvGApple Music: https://apple.co/3nDfsU1Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3nErEUI

Merkel Media And then all of a sudden One of these things Comes up on my left And starts hitting my car And starts banging me I look over

And I can see like a black mass But there's no reflection of it There's no like anything I can't see anything All I can see is that there's something There's blocking other traffic The lights behind me I can't see it as hitting me

And it's like knocking my car It's trying to knock my car off the road So I'm like Oh my God And then this trucker behind me, or in front of me, drops back, gets behind me, and kicks his high beams on and looks at it. A trucker? A trucker did.

Yeah, and he was looking at me all right behind me. He's got his high beams on. And then he comes pulling up behind me as close as he could to me and speeds up and tries to knock this thing off of me. Are you serious? Yeah, absolutely. Holy crap, dude. Yeah, that's why I was like, Hammer Road Legends, baby.

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about I saw three long, boning fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears Dan and holds him up. like this.

Somebody else. Shoot him in the face. Shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Person, when he gets... Feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small gray entities. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed.

I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show. Everybody are listening to The Confessionals. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you've a crazy wild experience, you want to be a crazy wild experience. share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is the Confessionals at

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go to the Confessionalspodcast.com, hit the join button and become a member today. Friends, we have a heater of an episode for you today. We actually have one of the most riveting stories you are ever going to hear on the confessionals, at least to date, you have ever heard on the confessionals. We have Adam coming on the show today, and he's going to be talking about his experience with UFOs, portals, dogmen chasing him down the highway all in the Oak Ridge, Tennessee area. If you have been listening to the show, you know I've been talking about Oak Ridge because Oak Ridge has a particle accelerator. They have actually talked about how they are trying to pierce through dimensions and open portals. They have said this. And because they have said this, I'm going to make a special reel this week on my Instagram page for the listeners of the show to inform them and show them that, yes, Oak Ridge did.

did say this back in 2019, that they are going to make a portal extending into a mirror universe. They want a memory hold it. We're not going to let them do it. So I'm going to put it up on the Instagram this week. So after you hear this show, make sure you hit up the Instagram and give us a follow because I'm going to be releasing that information later this week. Listen, friends, what you're about to hear from Adam is a very once in a lifetime experience that most people don't want to go through, including Adam. But I went to this conference this past week. in the Dogman Conference in Paris, Tennessee. It was awesome. And a lot of great people over there, a holoskye podcast guys surprised me by showing up and hanging out with me. It was a great,

great time. But I did meet a guy named Joe who kind of backed up what you're going to hear today because he had his own experience of a dogman chasing him in his tractor trailer. And it was an absolute crazy story that he shared with me this weekend. And he actually might be swinging through the studio sometime soon to sit down with me behind the microphone and actually record his experience of encountering a dog man chasing him down the road in his tractor trailer. It was one of the most scary stories I have ever heard in my entire life. So I really hope that Joe does come through and decide to talk to me on the record about this. But I will tell you that Joe's experience is kind of similar to what you're going to hear today.

So with that said, let's get to Adam and his Oak Ridge Dog Man Portal's crazy experience that lasted over three days. Okay, today we got ourselves an in-studio guest. We have Adam, man. How you doing, man? Good, I doing, brother. Hey, you're number three. Number three. You're number three, man. So we're coming up on almost 500 episodes, and you're the third person that's been in, been in-studio, in-person. That is a huge honor. Yeah, man. So most of the show has been built on people doing things remotely, right? but now that I have this space here, there are certain people I'll invite in studio. And you are one of them.

And actually, you actually go against the grain in a sense that typically I would not invite people like you into studio because I have this general rule that if it's just a fan, I'm not going to really invite them in because it could be a complicated, you know, because I've had issues with people who have taken liberties in the past, you know? And so I try to be private.

But when you emailed, you were like, hey, I have first-hand experience with Oak Ridge. I was like, you want to come in studio? Yeah. I'm like, I'm like, I got to talk to you. And I can't take the chance of internet not working like it is right now, right? So we're in the studio. And we spent about, I'd say, better part of an hour trying to get internet working. I have no idea why it's not working.

So we're using my phone as a hotspot just so I have. some kind of internet here on my iPad. But yeah, man, like, so you're here and we're going to, we're going to kind of jump all over the map today. I don't know how long this recording's going to be, but I do know it's more than likely going to be an overtime show. We're going to start out with Oak Ridge and the topic of Oak Ridge. Then we're going to probably migrate into the overtime with your Bigfoot experience, cryptid stuff. And also you have a past of being involved, I guess is it, is there right to say Satanist? Like you were a Satanist or you were part of the Satanic Church or what?

Yeah, it was more into the demonology. Dementology? Yeah. I mean. On the other, the wrong side of it, let's say that. No, it's clearly by your tattoos, I would agree.

Yeah. So on your left and right arm, on your forearms, you have, what are those sigils? Yeah, this is Bure and this is Azazel. Okay, so that's Azazel? Yeah. Same thing. Yeah. Really?

Yeah. That's his sigil? That's his official. Why don't you cover that up, dude? Why would I? It's who I am. Oh my gosh, dude. You carry him with you.

Yeah, well, you're always going to be with you. Wow, man. Well, listen, there are people right now thinking, Tony, be careful. You got to, he's going to, listen, I have, I've been in the presence of a Satanist. I was trying to put demons on me. Did you ever hear that story? Yeah, I did, but you're going to give you a hug and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I would like to talk to you about that in newer time, too, because you see what you your thoughts are on it because I mean my my conclusions have come from just uh years of talking to people and all that stuff so I'd like to hear your thoughts on it absolutely uh and maybe we'll we'll dive into some of that stuff in the overtime but uh for this first part I want to talk about Oak Ridge uh because you emailed us and in the subject line it's the portals at Oak Ridge and demonology yeah and and so you said in this email I'm ready to talk about something that happened to me involving Oak Ridge and the undeniable evil demonic entities I know are coming through there. It's a lot to talk about, but I'm coming to you because I heard you mentioned something about

the portals there. I can honestly say it's nothing like you've ever heard and it's hard to believe, but I swear my life, it's true. That being said, it directly involves this hell beast called Dogman, which I now believe is not from anywhere but another dimension. And I was like, bro, you had me at Oakridge. You know? I should have just had Oak Ridge and hung up. Yeah. Like, all you got to do is like, hey, Oakridge Portals, Dogman coming through, seen it.

That's all you need to say? You're on the show. There you are. And so, uh, anyways. So, um, we're going to start out there. We're going to get into that. Uh, and I feel like there's something else I wanted to, to mention before we really jumped in, but I forgot to, I forget what it is.

But I did forget to tell you this off air and I'll tell you this now. I have notes in front of me. So if you see me type and just keep talking, I'm just writing things down so I don't forget, ADD. You're not judging me. No, heck no. Bro, trust me. You already know that. Like, you and I are talking.

I've heard stuff. Like, you're talking to the right guy for this stuff. Absolutely. Let me actually make a note right now. Actually, I just say right now, billboard, okay? The billboard out there. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So at some point we needed to talk about that. But let's jump into this Oak Ridge experience. Before you start telling your experience and story, I will inform people based on my limited knowledge of what Oakridge is. If people have been listening to the show recently, I've been talking a lot about CERN, Particle Accelerator in Switzerland, and what that is. By the time people hear this, they'll have the opportunity to hear my episode entitled What is CERN, where I had Dave Zed on the show. And we kind of go into that. I believe that now Oak Ridge is what CERN is.

It's just on a smaller level. I've heard that too. They have a collider. They do. They do. Yeah, they have a particle accelerator and it's just smaller. But they are, I believe they're pursuing very similar things. And I believe that Oakridge might be pursuing more darker things than CERN. I think CERN is filled with like thousands of scientists that really believe in the mission. They're just like, we're trying to enlighten

humanity with science. And it's very pure-hearted, at least on a macro level when it comes to it. I think there are sinister, maybe people in CERN, but I think the majority of the scientists working there are just like, it's great, guys. There's nothing, like, I don't know why you guys think there's anything weird going on here, because they don't know. It's one of those things where

with, like, these government programs, you don't, like, somebody who's working on, like, let's just, let's say Area 51 back in a day, forget if this is true or not. I'm just using it as a topic launching point. Say there's at Area 51, there's hundreds of scientists in there

and they're all doing things, right? But it's very compartmentalized. So like if you're not working on this little tiny piece of biological matter, like you don't know what the guy next to you is doing. And even the biological matter that you have in front of you, you don't know where it came from. They're just saying, hey, look for this chromosome. And okay, got it. Like it's very compartmentalized. So that person, that scientist just knows that he's working on something that's top secret. He doesn't know what it is, but it seems very harmless from his perspective. I think that's a lot of the scientists at CERN. Now, at Oak Ridge, just from my limited interaction with people with their experiences at Oak Ridge or, you know, being in this area, because if the listening

audience is listening right now, I live like, what, what would you say, 25 minutes from Oak Ridge where we're right here? Yeah, about that. Yeah. So Oak Ridge is about 25 minutes from here. And we we talk to people that have direct experience because it's a big employer in this area. And from what I've gathered, I think Oak Ridge might be more dangerous than CERN, in my personal opinion. And I think it was in 2019, Oak Ridge even came out in an article and said that they're looking to open up portals. And then when everybody threw a fit, they were like, oh, we were just kidding, just tongue and cheek kind of thing. It's like, no, you were. You're scientists. You guys don't do tongue in cheek. You're not comedian.

You know what I mean? They came back trying to debunk that real quick. Yeah, yeah. So. They're not anymore. And so that's kind of like a thousand-foot view of Oak Ridge. I would love to maybe one day have a scientist on the show from Oak Ridge, but I'm sure that will never happen. But from my perspective and vantage point, I think it's a pretty dangerous facility.

It is where they've developed the nuclear bomb for World War II. And it's been top secret ever since. Wow. Just the implications of that alone has to tell you there's some dark. spark energy coming out of that place. For sure. Yeah. Like, that thing wiped out a lot of people. Yeah. So, like, I mean, like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I was talking, and we'll get to your experience a second. We're just kind of, we're just kind of migrating into it. Um, so when, when, when they were building oakridge, I was talking to the guy, I bought, recently bought half a cow, uh, to stock a freezer, uh, because, I was going to say, wait a second. Listen, like, like, like, I have a, the other half is come. We're going to screw it. We're going to screw it all together. We'll have a whole cow. start moving soon. But, you know, I practice what I preach.

I'm a prepper. I prepare it. I try to make sure that I can feed my family. I believe that this fall we're going to see a lot more shortages on the store shelves. I just want to make sure that kids have protein. Oh, yeah, sell me some food buckets before I leave. There you go. We're thinking about it after September is supposed to get rough. Yeah. So, but anyways, the farmer I bought the cow off of him and I were talking. And he said that when he was growing up around here, he's talking to the old timers who were here witnessing

Oak Ridge being built. They said that when they saw, when, when Oakridge was being built, they were seeing this white bigfoot running around this area. Doesn't surprise me. I, and I just recently did a show, I think I called it like the white bigfoot of Tennessee or something like that. And in Pennsylvania, all across northern Pennsylvania, there's a white bigfoot. And I believe there's deep underground military bases in that area. So I think there's a connection here. And I, and you're winking at me. So I must be hitting something. But so like this whole area has a history with Oak Ridge. And and I think that there is definitely I, so I believe that are, there are people in power in this world that are actively trying to merge the paranormal with science.

I think they're, they're alchemy, you know. And I think that I personally believe that Oak Ridge has always been on some level trying to practice alchemy. And so... They call it the secret city. Is that what they call it? That's the name of it. The secret city because it was not of the maps

before like 1950 or something. Yeah, so I guess it's not so secret now. Not anymore, but you're wondering what secret is it? Like, what is the secret of the city? Right. I was talking to a house builder down the street from me and he was talking to me,

and I mentioned about what I do for living and he's like, oh, you'll have a lot of stories with the Oak Ridge. And he said, though, he's like, the locals typically don't like talking about it. He's like, if people come around here talking about it, we know that they're from around, not from around here.

And so he was an older guy. And so I was like, okay, so there's like this protective nature with it. And that reminds me of Raven Rock in Pennsylvania. It's an underground military base that if you go into that area, the people who live in that area, they know everybody. And so if they see your car and they don't recognize it, they're immediately calling Raven Rock saying, hey, there's somebody down the street here. You might want to come look at them.

And so it's just like, yeah, you know what I mean? but Raven Rock is a very sparsely populated area. That's not the case for around here. You know, like Oak Ridge is right next to Knoxville, Knoxville, two hundred thousand people, college town, UT. Is it 350 now? Oh, man. If it grows another 100,000 people, I might have to move again.

Yeah. Like, I'm going to talk to Chattanooga. Sick and tired of all the people. We almost moved to South Dakota because there's less than a million people statewide. But that place has got a lot of satsquatch encounters over there. Dude, and they have an underground scientific lab.

I forget what it's called. I was like, let's go. But the problem is, 50 inches of snow year. I ain't trying to do that. So Tennessee, here we come. Pennsylvania to another flat. No.

Yeah. It's like me going to Toronto to Alaska. Yeah. So, you know, let's start bringing it around to you. So you just moved here from Toronto. You're a dual citizen. Yep. And you're now living in Tennessee.

Yep. And you, and I don't know anything about this Oak Ridge experience. So you're going to start us off. You're going to enlighten us. And I'll start off with this. And then you can kind of go into it. Sure, sure. With Oak Ridge and your experience at Oak Ridge, is this something that happened recently?

Or is this something that happened a long time ago that you remember? It's in May. In May this year. May this year. So this is, this happened after I already moved to Tennessee. I moved here in April. Yeah, this was just on the road. This is like, what is it, August now?

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Get your free food right now. So what happened? I mean, were you working there? Were you driving by? What happened? Okay, I'm going to give you a quick little history of, you why I'm here first of all and then how this went down. I came here because of a girl.

I used to live here when I was younger. I went back to Toronto when I was 30. Stayed there until 39. I came back. I was with this woman. Not to mention, you know, Toronto getting so draconian with the COVID laws. I just wanted out. I couldn't do it anymore. No shots for me.

Still citizenship. You can come to the States. That's right. I was like, bye. So anyway, I came here. Everything was going good for a bit. Things didn't work out with the woman. ended up homeless. I didn't have a place to live. I was living in my car.

It's not good to be homeless in Tennessee. No, it's not. I'll tell you what, they'll let you crash in the parking lot somewhere if you need to. And I'm trying to find a place to live. Things just went bad real quick for me, so I didn't really have the option. And this is recently. This is just, yeah. At this point, it was April.

Wow. So I was, so my big way to get away from everything is fishing. So I went over to where, Oak ridges. They got some, like a steam plant out there. They got some rivers. And I was going for catfish. It was spring. I was like, I'm going to go stay up late at night, throw in my, throwing some chicken livers, whatever, and catch catfish. And I'd done that for three days in a row. At this point in time, I'm working for like a, like, I'm order picking at night. So I was kind of like, I was done with that job. I was about to start a new one as a managing a moving company. So I was

kind of like in between jobs. And I had nowhere to be. So I was killing it one night. I was just up to like four o'clock. I'm sorry, about two o'clock in the morning, and I was leaving, and I just got this really weird feeling. I kept hearing, like, something in the woods, and I was by myself at this point in time. I'm like, on the river, I'm probably about, like, maybe 10 miles from Oak Ridge, and I just remember, like, I was leaving it, and I was pulling out, and I had this really, just a really weird feeling. I didn't have a lot. I remember I was almost out of gas, but I had to wait for the next morning to get my paycheck. It was direct deposit. I had no money in my count, I'm on my countered anything, so I was like, I have to stop somewhere, wait for my check to come in at 6, and then fill my car up and keep going.

Like, I was at that point in my life, you know? So, I'm leaving, and I see out of the corner of my eye, up in the sky, there's this green, like, an orb. Like, it's a glowing green orb with, like, a red dot that was swirling around it. Okay. And I'm like, oh, that's a UFO for sure. Because I'm like, what is that thing? And I remember, I got out of my car, and the thing stopped also. Like, as soon as I got out, it stopped, too.

and it was just kind of like doing this written number like where it's kind of just hovering kind of moving just a little bit but not like all the way got back in my car and it started moving again and I'm like why it was this I just kind of like if I followed it well it followed me kind of thing and it went finally it went over and took like a left and went to like a grocery store parking lot and I pulled in and I'm like well this is where I'm going to wait till the grocery store opens so I can get some gas because I have no other options but I remember like watching and it kind of went off into the distance over a row river and way behind it and then disappeared kind of so i'm sitting there and i'm like well i'm kind of

looking up in the sky and i noticed the stars there's like the constellations i could see the constellations but i couldn't see any stars behind them kept staring at them and the constellations started to move so i'm like what am i looking at what is going on right now the constellations are starting to drift but not all together like you know like like the like the wheel in the sky but like one was kind of going this way. One was kind of going this way. And after a while, it started to look like what I was looking at were a bunch of ships projecting stars. Really? Yeah, like they were projecting stars underneath them and all of them were trying to hold a position, but they were gently drifting in different ways. Like this one's going this way. What? Yeah, so I'm like,

what am I? This is missile. Immediately I was thinking missile defense. I was like, maybe these are some kind of missile defense system where they have something in place to keep Oak Ridge from being attacked. I don't know. I didn't know. I didn't. know what to think. I was like, this is the weirdest thing I've ever seen. Never in my life I've ever seen it. Holy crap. So anyway, here's where it gets even weirder. I'm sorry, I get a little excited. This is hard for me to talk about. I've never, this is like, I've seen a lot of weird stuff in my life. This is a rough one. So over behind this, beside this grocery store, I see these lights. They're like, it's like a blue, like almost like you were seeing, you

have seen a black light, how it lights everything up. You can see like green or pink. I see this, like green light in a tree. And it's kind of like a square that's a little like, what are they like a, not like a rhombus or something. You know, like one of those, it's an uneven square or whatever, I don't know what they're called. And it's sitting in this tree and it's kind of just gently turning. And I'm like, what is that?

So I walked over there and I started to see that there's like one in the tree. There's one about six yards back behind some grass. There's like one by a tree somewhere else. and there's multiple of them. At first what I thought I was seeing was somebody's lights for their house, like their porch lights or something that was behind grass or something.

But then I realized these are something different. So I started trying to get close to it. And at this point in time, I'm thinking maybe these are UFOs I'm looking at and I'm going to go take a look because I'm usually like, I'm pretty bawdy when it comes to some of this stuff. I'm like, I'm going to check.

Yeah. So I got down there and I got real close and I realized that these were not like something standing up and looking at me, these were these were like literally shapes that were just colors, that were just floating in the sky. How high? I mean, one was in a tree, probably about 12 feet.

One was probably about three feet off the ground. One was it probably about six. And they're just shapes floating. They're just weird shapes floating. Illuminated shapes. In order, it looked like at first, it looked like if you had a bulletproof vest made of glowing black light with green. Like something like that. At first I thought it was somebody's like a section of article of clothing that was glowing. But the more I started it and the more I was just like, there's no rhyme or reason

of this. This is what I don't even know I'm looking at. Wow. That's where, um, I, the things got really weird for me. I was like, okay. And this was at the grocery store? You know, it was right behind the grocery store. Like it was not far. There was like, we're, it was like, in, I wouldn't say a neighborhood. There wasn't a whole lot going on over there. It was like a valley. Um, it's actually, I could probably tell your people were to look. I had to look it up as, yeah. Yeah. It's not, it's not, it's not very well populated. It's not rural, per se, but it's There's not a lot going on over there. Yeah.

You know what? I think I might get, I think I, at first I just shook my head no to you because I, I, but I think it, I think it actually is okay because it's not my job to protect any of this stuff. It's right up by Solway. So what grocery store is this? Ingles. Ingalls. Yeah, it's like Ingles over there, but it's kind of like between Carnes and Solway. So when I left Oak Ridge, I was coming out that way and I was passing through Soulway over by where that Ingalls is.

It's probably like 10 miles. Okay. That's where I followed that UFO all the way over there. And you get there. And I mean, and the weirdest thing was, it's like if you ever listen to like, you know,

your show or Wes's show, they talk about how everything gets dead quiet. You don't hear a cricket or anything, which is, there was nothing. Quiet, like, it was so quiet,

it was creepy. So I'm sitting there and I'm starting to try to talk to this stuff. I'm like, maybe I can, you know, elicit some kind of communication with whatever this is.

And I'm like, hey, just trying to say hi. How far away were you? Oh, maybe 15 yards. Okay. Yeah,

like, that's what I was trying to get, supposed to see if I could see a face or see a person, but all I could see was these shapes. So at this point in time, I started to get a little scared, admittedly. Sure.

I started to get a little scared. So I backed off and I kept walking. And, okay, let me explain where I saw the shapes was like right beside the store, the grocery store, and then there's a parking lot that kind of followed it up all the way towards a bank that was closed. And I started walking back up and there was like a patch of trees.

in like a swamp looking area. And I hit another part where the tree was I heard something kind of shuffle. And I was like, whoa, what was that? And then I smelled this rotting flesh, like just like this disgusting, nasty smell. And it hit me like where I felt like the heat on my chest. I could smell it and something went,

and like hissed at me. And I'm like, what was that? I was like, okay. So I kind of backed off. In my head, I'm thinking some kind of Sasquatch or something. I don't know. I've had experience with those things, a couple times, but I'm like, this colored thing I've never seen before.

So I'm just like, I'm going to walk back to my car, I'm going to sit right here, the sun's going to come up, and I'm leaving. So I'm backing off, and I'm, once again, I'm captivated by these floating constellations that look like UFOs. They're still there. They're still there. 100%. They're not even hiding it.

They're floating. Like, they're moving. I got to go out there, man. Dude, I know. I was going to tell you. It's going to be like, Tony, you want to see some stuff. I'll show you. Wow.

Man, so I went over there and I was looking at them a little bit longer. And then all of a sudden, I mean, I'm going to try to make this noise for you, but it's impossible. And it was like, got out of it screamed for like a good 10 seconds. And it was like, I mean, I can't do it. It's impossible for me to do it. This noise was so loud and so drawn. And the only thing I could think in my head was that had to be a demon. Like that was some kind of like ghoul or something.

Like, you know, I think of it. Your old stories we talked about like the rake or something. Yeah. I can imagine something making this noise just like this horrible bellowing scream. And it echoed through the whole valley. And this is while you were backing away to go to your car. I was at my car at this point. I was looking at the stars.

And I heard this and I was like, all right, this is getting really freaking weird. So I'm kind of starting to get a little. I'm like really nervous at this point. I don't really have any gas to go anywhere. I'm waiting for my check to clear. Holy crap, I forgot about that. So I had less than like one bar of gas in my car. Like I'm at empty.

So at this point in time, I'm like, I'm going to, I'm just going to just drive somewhere else to get out of the spot. And I drove off the road and I went to another gas station. And it was about like a quarter mile down the road. And immediately as soon as I got out, I could hit that smell again, like bang, it hit me like a million times. Then I could just start to hear them. I heard this noise. It started going bar, bar, bar. And I was like, all right, I don't know what this is.

I went back to back to Ingles. I was like, I'd rather be in the middle of a parking lot. So you drove a quarter mile away? Yeah. And it followed you essentially.

It was already there. It was, wow. Yeah. So I'm wondering, I'm either thinking there's a bunch of whatever the hell this is around there

or they just went right to where I was immediately. Almost like it knew where you were going to go. I mean, either that or just went there. Or just followed you. I mean, it was just so fast. At least kept pace with you the whole time.

And the thing was, what made it so weird was the smell. It was like, imagine if you had like a, a 900 pound fat dude who just ate 300 pounds of rotting meat and just let it sit in his stomach for two days and then burped in your face. Wow.

That's the kind of nastiness. I'm telling it was just absolutely. It was horrifically smelling. And it was nasty. So after that I went back to the Ingles Parkin lot and I was like, I'm just going to have to suck it up. So I'm sitting there in the middle of parking lot. Still the stars are still doing that thing where they're floating.

It looks like ships. I could still see the color. the tree and two more beside it that we're now starting to float closer like they were watching me at this point like they were observing me and i'm trying to pull my camera phone out i have like eight percent left i don't know if they drained it or if i just drained it and didn't know i couldn't tell you all i know was i had almost none left i got like one picture of it and it was too far away but just like a little color so that's why that's why we don't got a cannon now because i'm like i want oh it's right because you're saying you got yeah now i'm like not going to happen again

That was too weird. So, anyway, so as this is happening, I'm getting paranoid because I keep smelling that smell again, like that rotting flesh smell. And I'm watching these colors. And I watched three different shapes. It was like two were pink and one was green. And I'm talking like black light, like almost like construction paper black light green. Like that's hard to explain. It's almost like an off green.

And they came together. They're floating right towards each other. like they're watching, like observing me, all came together in one spot and turned into the face of a gray alien. It was like all green and the eyes were pink. Like the two people, like, I mean, clearly that's what it was. It was like an almond shape, two almond eyes that were pink and it was looking right back at me. And I'm like, what, there's nothing.

There's nothing that does that. I mean, what does that? Like it's just, I mean, I don't know what this is. At this point in time, I'm thinking, like, like, I give up. This is just beyond weird. Of all my experiences in my life, I've never seen, I've never seen just random shapes turn into a face to look at me.

Like, it was almost like it was just teasing me or something. Wow. Yeah. So anyway, that, that whole night ended up like that, just all night long. That thing sat there and looked at me like a Graleen head for about two hours while I sat there and then it just kind of, I guess, broke up and went away. and as the sun come up, all the weird baru sounds

that they were being making, they all stopped. I even, like, after what happened, I even drove around one time around that whole parking lot behind the place and everything. Nothing, no noise at all. And I went and got some gas and got the hell out of there.

And that was the end of that night at Ingalls. Holy crap. So, yeah, so that was a weird one, man. But it gets worse. It gets way worse than that. Here's the next night. Oh, hold on. So I thought we were wrapping up the store.

No, this is the beginning, brother. This is the beginning? This is the beginning. Dude, I was like, holy crap. Okay, so, all right, we're going to let you get into that then. Now, I think that what, all right, I, I just got to tell you the constellations in the sky moving. Yeah. Like, that is so fascinating to me.

And I don't know why, because to be honest with you, like, I'm, not like, like, there's not a whole lot of things that, that tickle my fancy, you know, when it comes to the stuff that we do on the show, like, I'm interested in all of it, but there's not like one thing. I'm just like, oh, you know, but that, that gets me my mind reeling about possibilities on so many different topics, you know what I mean? Is the freaking moon real now? That's what I'm questioning. Is the freaking moon real now? So that's, that's what I was wondering. I was like, is this just right here in Oak Ridge or is this everywhere? I know. I was watching literally like the big dipper, like, it looked just,

Just like, imagine a eclosed ship that was just putting out the lights to make it look like stars. And the thing was it only looked like it was 150 feet above me. Wow. Like, it wasn't, like, the big thing was it didn't look like it was way up there. It looked like it was right there. Like, I'm going to throw a rock and hit it. And they were just gliding around, kind of like just going a few feet here, a few feet back. So, all right, let me ask you this.

And then we'll let you keep going into the story. No, yeah. And this is because I don't want to forget to ask you this later for my own personal references. is that the first and only time you ever saw those constellations doing that or is or the next night like that too? No, that was, that was for in this experience that I had, that was the only time I seen that happen. Okay.

Because I was, I'm just trying to gauge. Is it worth, is it worth me trying to investigate that and going out there looking in the sky or am I just going to waste my time and not going to see it? No, I went back last Saturday after I talked to you when we had first talked and I took a look and there was nothing happening. Okay. Got you. All right.

100% like I guarantee you I mean I went there for 30 minutes and just a random night I think that what it has to do is you have to go down there and get around there but I was there for three days

I think they were looking at me before I ever even knew they were there Wow Yeah so Just make sure you're staying in the microphone Yeah I'm sorry Because you're moving side of side I get excited

That's all right I feel like I'm Joe Roger right now Yeah you're like Get a little close to the microphone Yeah No But all right So I thought that it was question and answer time now.

So continue with the story, man. Like, holy crap. So you went back to second night. No, I didn't go back. Oh, you didn't go back? No, what happened was I left that spot. I went up to where there was a place off Western Avenue in Knoxville. It's like you just come out of Carnes, which is not far from that whole area.

There's like a food city. And at the time, like I said, I was staying in my car. So I needed to just a place to crash and I was exhausted. I didn't sleep at all that night. I stayed there for like two hours and like I called one of my buddies and I'm trying to explain to him what happened that night. He's just not believing it.

I don't blame him at all. He's like whatever, dude, yeah. So anyway, I ended up like, I remember I ended up on the computer for the next like eight hours looking up like Oak Ridge and that's when I found out like about these portals and stuff.

I was like, man, maybe there's some truth to this because whatever I saw was not like, you don't see floating colors that just change into shapes. and like that doesn't happen. Yeah. Like even, you know,

even like Bigfoot's nothing compared to floating colors that change shapes. Yeah. What am I looking at? I'm thinking like, you know, I don't know.

So anyway, I did that all day and then I'm like, I'm just going to stay out here like in this, to work closer to the city, call it a night and then I'm going to,

you know, my job starts like two more days, whatever. So you thought you were, you were in a safer area. Oh, 100%. I'm like, I'm towards Knoxville now.

I'm not out towards that nuclear power plant. Yeah. Anyway, so I'm right beside I guess they got like a bar kind of down there and then there's like the shopping mall you're still kind of out in the woodwork though

you're not quite back into Knoxville but you're just just on the outside of it and there's like a little swamp down there and I was sitting down there in my car and there was one other car that was up it was like a truck I guess she was probably drunk or something she had a dog in there with her and she was laying there passed out

so I'm thinking some people are just pulling these places to get when they're wasted and passed out and they don't get arrested or whatever but I was just laying there and I was sitting there I think I was still like my mind still racing about the night before and I started hearing like bloop like splashing in the water

this bloop like splash and I'm like what is that and then I smell came back I was like that real nasty heat and then I was like oh no not this again so I'm like looking around um

checking up up on the mountain stuff and then I hear going like make that sound again. I was like, oh, you got to be kidding me. So now I'm kind of like halfway scared, but like, I really just getting sick of it. I want to see what this thing is because I didn't know this is dog man at the time. Oh, my God. I didn't know what this was.

So I like, um. Before you go any further, I just got to say this, like for the audience to know, he's telling me this story for the first time. I've never heard this story before. I live about 20 minutes outside of Knoxville and about 25 minutes from, well, I'd say from where I live. I live probably about 35, 40 minutes from Oak Ridge. And I'm thinking to myself, like, I live out in, like, more rural area. I got cows across the street and everything from me. And I'm thinking myself, dude, these things could be all around me.

It's like the reality is just, like, sitting into me now. And you told me, like, you're like, they're everywhere around here. And I'm like, holy crap. I think I need to make sure I carry a flashlight, a Sony camera, and a big gun every time I go outside of my house now at night. So you're just starting to get a little freaked out now. But go ahead, continue. I've heard this the whole time I've been here that they were here.

I've never believed it though. Because I didn't even know what a dog, they said werewolves when I was growing up. They said there's werewolves all over Tennessee. I was like, oh, yeah, okay, sure. But anyway, after that night, I still didn't even know what this was. But the only thing that kept thinking,

maybe that's what they were talking about was the smell, just like somebody just threw up dead meat and blood or something just like, ugh. Like really, one of the nastiest smells you'll ever smell. And the thing was the heat of it. It felt like imagine like a, like a 600 foot man. breathing on you like oh does that stink and just like

I don't know what it is awful so anyway let's get back into the story so I hear the splashing so now I'm getting kind of like angry but at the same time I'm kind of curious so I'm like flipping my car around and I'm hitting my high beams on and I'm aiming towards where I'm hearing the sound

I'm not seeing anything but what I do see is over towards the woods I start to see eyes lighting up like where you start to see like something's got its eyes open up and then close, eyes open up and closed, and they're like, sort of like a yellowish green, and they're just like, keep opening up, like, I can't tell if it's eyes shine or something glowing. It looks like more like eyes shine to me. And it keeps huff, these things, we keep making the same three noises. They do the baro sound.

They do like a huff. It's like, huff. You know, they kind of like get away from me. And then they do like a hiss. Like, there's the same three noises every time that's all they would do. because I was trying to like document it. I'm like, what am I hearing? You know, so anyway, so I kind of played with that for a bit.

And then finally I kind of got a little scared, so I drove up towards that girl's truck that was passed out there. And her dog just started going nuts. Like it was trying to get out of the car. Because of you? No, because whatever thing started buffing at them. And the dog started throwing up. It was like, blah.

Really? And I was like, what am I? Well, this is creepy. So I kind of got scared after I saw the dog's reaction or whatever started happening. So I tried to drive out of there real quick. And as I was pulling towards, like, the exit, one of these things, like, Howell, like, Bauer,

did one of those Bairuels, like, real loud, and it scared me, so I freaking drove off the road. I ran a red light and took off. And then as I did that right over the side of the mountain, it was like it on a mountain. It was like a small hill kind of. I see these red lights come over. It almost looked like, like, the corner lights,

corner red lights of, like, maybe an invisible craft. I don't, that's the only way I can explain it because I don't know what it way. It might have just been random lights. It might have been some kind of the cloak UFO. But they came right over the edge of that mountain, just right over the trees on both sides and started following me. And then here comes that sound. They started screaming from both sides as I was driving. These things were keeping up screaming.

Wow. So I'm like, okay, you know, I got to stop. This is not, this can't be real. I'm losing my mind. I stayed up, whatever. So I pulled into this like gym, it was right off of, a Western up there. If anyone wants to loot,

they'll see it. It's going into Western over to, I can't remember the name of that road. Anyway, I'll tell them later if they want to know. So I got out and I tried to walk over towards like a closed gas station.

I was like, I just got to get out of the car. I got to get out of this area, whatever. And then this thing started screaming over there. And then I heard like two more screaming across the street. So I'm there's like multiple at this point in time that are just obviously toying with. And you don't know what they are at this point.

I don't know. I don't know what they are. I just know they're screaming. And at the time, I'm thinking these are some kind of demonic entity. I've seen lights in the sky. I can't imagine you if foes are just chasing me to yell at me. I don't, I don't have no idea what's going on. All I know is that, like, I've lost all control of the situation,

and I've messed with something wrong. I'm thinking at the same time was the night before. I went over and tried to talk to those colors. And now I've got all this happening. I don't know what's going on. And I'm scared. And I've been doing, like, I've done, like, magic my whole life. I've been into, like, all the occult.

This was, like, way out of hand. Like I lost control the situation. So anyway, what ends up happening is this happens for a bit to kind of been messing with me. Finally, I guess at the point where I freak out. I'm trying to remember exactly the house went down. I jumped on the highway and I tried to go to a Walmart on Clinton Highway because I'm like, that's closer where my ex-girlfriend used to live. And I was this point in time, I was almost about ready to go back to her house, which says a lot.

I'm sorry. I was wrong. Please let me come back in. Here's your apology. I mean, I'll be like, you know what? I'll just, even then still I was like I might take my chance with the demon. So, yeah. So I go over there and I get to the Walmart parking lot and I pull right in there and it's closed.

It's like two in the morning. But they start throwing rocks. And it's like, bang. You know, like we have those carts out. They have like these metal cart racks. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So you're in the parking lot at Walmart.

Yeah. And these things are like on the roof of Walmart. I can imagine. I can't see them. So you can't see them? I can't see anything. But these things are whipping something. They're like rocks or like pieces of something out of the

and they're like whack off the metal like bang, bang, and they're starting to howl again. Like that bahroo. At Walmart. At Walmart, dude. There's nobody there. I'm the only one there. And I'm like, this is incredible. I was like, why did I not bring somebody with me at least to like prove this happen?

Oh my gosh. Yeah. So anyway, I freak out again because now I'm scared for my life because I'm like these things are eventually just going to come over here and fucking rip my door off and then, excuse my language, but yeah, you know what I'm saying? I don't know what's happening because I don't know. I just didn't, I don't know. At this point in time, it's just been a manic. I'm like freaking

out, I'm shaking the whole time. I don't know where to go. I don't know what to do. I have nowhere to go. Yeah. So I'm just like, okay, so I just drove up Clinton Highway. I went down to I-40 and took I-40 east towards the Easttown Mall. Just booked it as hard as I could. I just went as fast as I could. And I saw the red lights coming over the trees again. I don't like once again they were following both sides

they'd kind of be there for me to drift off come back and then all of a sudden one of these things comes up on my left and starts hitting my car and starts banging me okay okay so

I want like 75 by the way so you're going 75 and is it like just what you're seeing what are you seeing when it's hitting you I didn't know it was there at first and then I just if hit my car I look over and I can see like a black mass but there's no reflection of

fit. There's no like anything. I can't see anything. All I can see is that there's something there blocking other traffic, the lights behind me. I can't see it as hitting me. And it's like knocking my car. Can you feel it? Oh yeah. It's trying to knock my car off the road. So I'm like, oh my God. And then this trucker behind me or in front of me drops back, gets behind me and kicks his high beams on and looks at it. And he sits a trucker. A trucker did. Yeah. And he was looking at me all right behind me. He's got his high beams on. And then he comes pulling up behind me as close as he could to me and speeds up and tries to knock this thing off of me. Are you serious?

Yeah, absolutely. Holy crap, dude. Yeah, that's why I was like Hammer Road Legends, baby. That's legendary. Holy crap. Yeah, he's trying to peel this thing off of me, yeah. Oh my God, keep going. Just keep going. So anyway, he got this thing off of me. And then what comes up finally, I think he kind of like peels back and kind of like keep trying to block for me. He's like, what is going on? And then they came to the other side. But like, I beat him to the

I got to this gas station that was up there, this crowd as hell, and whipped in there, and they didn't follow me past that light. But what they did was they started howling when I pulled in. And people there were like, you hear those wolves? Really? Yeah, I was like, damn, dude, this is what gas station was this at? It was like, damn, I think it was like past East Town Mall. If you keep going, there's like a, man, if I can remember, this is McDonald's,

I know, is it going to McDonald's or is, I mean. Was it a truck stop? Is that why it was like a truck stop? Yeah, that's why the trucks were, yeah. There was like a McDonald's and a subway or something like that. I could probably show it to you after. I was like to look it on the map. So what happened to that trucker?

Did he just keep driving? Yeah, he kept going. He was like, whatever. So when he faded back and got behind you, do you think he had saw what was happening behind him? Yeah, 100%. Wow. He saw what happened.

He dropped back and put his lights on just to see what it was. And then he come ripping up beside me and trying to get this thing off my car. Wow. I could show you the scratch I still have on it earlier. it's on my car. It's like a, it looks almost like a key mark. It's like fat and then gets skinny. Really? And that's the claw? Yeah, it's about 10 inches long. Yeah, it's still on my car. Really? Oh, man. He was trying to grab my door handle and the damn thing is scratched my car. And I was like, at the same time, I'm like trying to hold this little Honda on the road.

So I'm like bouncing back and forth. And this guy was just like polite enough at least to try to help. Holy crap, dude. Like, hey, trucker, if you're out there and you're hearing this, I want to talk to you first of all. But second of all, thank you for doing that. Thank you. Seriously. Because who knows what would have happened? I mean, that was one thing I was going to ask you to do. If you could reach out to those guys on Hammer Train Legends or Hammer Truck Legends or... Hammer Lane Legends.

Hammer Lane Legends. A lot of know as a guy who really appreciated that because I'm scared to death. Yeah, Hammer Lane Legends is a podcast that I started with my dad and now he hosts it with a driver that he works with. And they just talk about trucking and bizarre things they see on the road. Sometimes it's paranormal, but a lot of times it's like, you know... like emergency whip him out Wednesday stuff so it was pretty cool show

yeah so uh anyways so he he saves your life essentially we don't know if you'd even be here today if that wouldn't happen you rip into the parking lot of that gas station I rip it in there I get there and I can hear these things howling like off in the distance they're across the street they're like it's almost like they're beckoning me they're like ba-oh-oh-ohm like just kind of like making these noises

and people are looking over there they're like what is that it must be it must be blah blah blah and I'm like like, and I'm looking over there and I'm freaked out and people are like, are you okay? And they're thinking, I'm like, crazy. And I'm like, did you hear that? They're like, yeah, there's an animal over there. Like, that's an animal that was chasing in my car. They're like, yeah, buddy, okay.

Wow. The cops showed up, you know? Really? Oh, yeah, I was there for like three and a half hours. I'm not leaving. Like, I was scared. Yeah, they showed up. They're like, are you okay?

I was like, yeah, man, I just, I'm really tired. I need to relax for a bit. Yeah, blah, blah. They're like, okay, that's fine. we just heard that you was out there looking out in the woods and stuff. I was like, yeah. I mean, what am I to tell the guy? I mean, I just got to choose by a werewolf.

Wow. I mean, in jail. What police was this? Was this Knoxville, please? Oh, man, I want to say it was Knoxville. It was, I was not far. I was like just past East Town Mall. So it's probably Knoxville.

Yeah, because, I mean, I'm just trying to think, like, depending on what station is, it depends on what kind of character. It wasn't a, yeah, it wasn't a state trooper. So I'm pretty sure it was Knoxville. So if it was Knoxville's state. city police, the chances are the police officer wouldn't have believed you if you told them. No. But I think if you were out in the middle of nowhere and his local police officer, maybe he would

like, yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? So anyways, so you're there for three hours. The cops show up. Yeah, the sun comes up. Once again, I'm like, finally. The sun's up.

They're not going to mess with me. I'm out. So I get back on the road. No sounds, no smell. I'm like, finally. I'm like, thank God. I'm going to get the hell out of here. I'm going to my buddy Chad.

He lives over in South Knoxville. I'm going over there. I'm staying there for a few days and I'm done with this because I don't know what the hell I've done but I'm not dealing with them. Yeah. You know, made my Faustian pact and it turned against me.

I was like, I'm out, bro. Demonic hellhounds chasing me down the highway. Like 75. That's not possible. That's demonic, dude. That's not possible. Wow. So anyway, I go over to,

I went over to Walmart at East Town Mall. It was like 7 o'clock, 6.30 in the morning. Sun's coming up. it's quiet. Nobody's there yet. It's just open. I pull into a spot. There's like a fence. If you ever go to East Town, you'll see there's like a fence that goes across where there's

like a drop off of a wall. And then there's like a little bit of a swamp by where Crystals is. And then it drops off and goes down to like a Burger King. So there's like a big swampy little area. And then there's like a side wall where there's nothing behind there for a bit. There's nothing much out there. So I pulled up by that fence and I'm going to bed. I'm like, I have to get some.

breath. They close my eyes. I pass out. I wake up two and a half hours later. And it's pouring rain. And then over by the fence, bov. This is broad daylight? It's cloudy and dark now, but it's during day. It's like 9.30 now. It's like 10 o'clock. Yeah. And then over by the fence, barf, bar. I could smell the smell again. I was like, are you kidding me, dude? I was like, how are these things still here? So I walked over to the fence. At this point in time, I'm like, even if these things could get me, they had to go all the way through a chain link fence, that's like 11 feet high, jump it,

and then come get me, so I'm getting brave at this point, and I'm exhausted now anyway. Yeah. I'm like, if you're gonna kill me, let's just call it out of day. Get done with.

My life sucks anyway. I just lost my girlfriend. I have no fucking friends here. You know, like, I don't care, you know, so I walk over there, and I'm looking,

and I don't see anything. I can hear it. Like, I could hear the voice, or the sounds, if I could smell them, nothing there. And all I can see where these little tiny,

you know, those little Christmas slice you get on a tree that are like white, like they're kind of like you're supposed to be green or blue but they're like they have the white colors like a yellowish white

and they're just like kind of just a little tiny ones they're like about that like three quarters of an inch or skinny I see a bunch of those down there and I'm like man these homeless people are out here

getting progressive man they got like a freaking camp so I'm like where does they get that I'm looking down and then I realize those are eyes and there's five or six of these things and they're sitting there

looking right back at me but they're only about five or six feet tall They're not big animals like I was expecting. I mean, six foot's still pretty big. I mean, but they were kind of like crouched down, so it looked smaller. And they were like on their haunches, and they had their arms out like this. So you could see them at this point. Oh, yeah, 100%.

And they're like, the black on these things is like the black on this microphone. Wow. Like, they're like an oil black. Like, you don't see reflection. Like, they were thinking, and these eyes were glowing. And I'm not saying, like, eyes shine. They were glowing like Christmas lights. And they were a little beady tiny glow.

blowing white eyes, and they were looking right at me, and they didn't move. And they were looking at me, and I'm looking at them. About five or six of them, I didn't count them. I know there was a bunch, and they were just sitting there like this. And I looked at her for about 30 seconds, and I was like, nope. And I got in my car, and I drove off, and I never saw them again. Wow. Yeah, that was it.

I was like, man, they were there, though. That was, that's how I knew what they were. After I saw that, I was like, oh, they talk about the amber eyes. People see? Yeah. I didn't see amber. I saw Christmas light looking. nice. There were small, beady little glowing

white lights. And they were looking right at me. How far were you from at that point? Oh, 10 yards. Really? Yeah, like I was right there. And you can see through a chain link fence. Yeah, when I first looked, I was looking right in front of me. There was like this, like the leave the foliage was kind of like waving from the wind.

It was raining. So I'm looking at that and I'm like, I'm not seeing it. And I just saw the lights in the background. It looked like if you like, imagine if you had like your Christmas lights set up, you know, 10 yards away and like the trees are blowing in front of it. You can see the lights and you're thinking, oh, somebody's Christmas lights or something. But then when you

focus, you realize that the black behind the Christmas lights is an animal. And that's what I'm looking at. And I'm like, okay, so this, I don't know, I've seen a lot of animals, no animals' eyes glow. Right. Like, that's not normal. Especially in daylight. Not in daylight. Like no light source. Yeah, the whole experience

as I had with, was just, it was something that is either interdimensional, or it's demonic. Or both. Or both. Yeah, I mean, what am I looking at? Yeah. So, like, the most three traumatic days of my life were because of these animals. All right.

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Could have done that day one. So why would they do that? So I'm thinking, I'm like, okay, what could it be three options? It was the only thing I could think of. One, they just want to terrorize it, some kind of s spirit or something, evil spirit. Two, it was, I mean, I don't even know. The only thing I think, I mean, I can't even give you three. The only thing I think of was maybe what if the colored thing I messed with was what those red ships were.

Their lights were and those things were trying to stop them. That was the only other thing I could think of. That's why they were there, but they never attacked me, but they never stayed far from me. Because I don't know what those colored things were I started with on, but something was evil about them. I knew it right out of the rip. I was like, man, I shouldn't even come close to this thing. So, I don't know. So the colored shapes.

Yeah. You just felt like they were evil. I knew it was. Yeah, I knew it was. But, yeah. I mean, were they, these color shapes, are they, like, color shapes as in, like, a whole shape filled in with color or was it, like, outlined to color? No, it was a whole shape full of color. Do you get, and how big, roughly do you think they were?

Like, if you took my t-shirt off and filled it with color, floating around. So we're talking about, like, two, three feet. Two, three feet wide. Yeah. Do you, do you, where, where do you think the whole portal thing comes in? Do you think those were portals or what? I think they came through a portal. I think with...

The dogmen. I think all of it. All of it came through. I think all of that's important. I think that, like, I was over by Oak Ridge. When I was leaving Oak Ridge, I followed it. That was the first night. Yeah.

Well, I was there two nights before, but was not paying it into picture. I stayed the night there to friends. Gotcha. But when I was leaving, I watched that green UFO come right over my car. It was only about, like, 200 feet above me, just in front. And I followed him out. So I felt like he, at the time, I'd just, was like, holy hell, an UFO.

I've seen a few of those in my life, but this one was close. So I followed him out, and I felt like he was taking me to all this. So I think that I don't know why he would do it. Maybe he just wanted to, who knows, it could get dark from there. Why are you giving a gender to a UFO? I don't know, man. When I think of evil, I should. You know, actually, when I think of evil, I should say women.

He said it. I didn't say. You just came out of bad relationship. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so the shapes, the constellations being projected in the sky, the dogmen, you know, following you. So you think that the dogmen were what was chasing you down the highway? 100%. Even though you didn't get a good look at what it was, you knew something was slamming into the car.

Well, and here's the weirdest part. Here's why I think some of this is demonic. because while it was chasing me and slamming into my car, I could still feel the breath on me. Wow. I was in my car. Windows up. I could still feel the heat and I could still smell it.

And your windows were up though, so there was a barrier. There was no reason why I should still felt that. Wow. So this was coming right through the material and hitting me. So part of me was like maybe this is something demonic. That's why in my head I was thinking this while, like, later on after it, because I was like, there's no reason. I mean, the smell, maybe you could.

still smell it, but there's no reason I should have felt the heat from it. Because every time I got close to him, I would feel like, like I said, like if you want to and you breathe on your hand, you can feel that? That's what it felt like every time, and the smell. Wow. So I think, I personally, and again, for the audience to understand if you're just new and tuning in, I'm not a researcher. I sit down and I talk with people about their experiences. That's how I educate myself through people's experiences. Listen, if you go online, you try doing research and reading and stuff, you're going to get a million people's own personal perspectives as to what they are telling you these things are. I'm more interested in learning

from people who's actually experienced it. And so through talking with people, I have come to my soft understanding that I believe that these dog creature things, I think that they are from somewhere else. I think that when they're here, they appear physical. I was just talking to, like you said about Wes. I was just talking West the other night from Sasquatch Chronicles, and we were talking about this topic actually, and this is a rarity. But most of the time when me and West talk, we're talking about anything but our podcasts. But we got into this topic, and we were talking about this. And he mentioned about how he thinks that when these things are in this realm, that they have to abide by certain rules in this realm. And we could go down a whole path

there, but it might explain why they appear so physical here. Not just rules as in rules of conduct, but also rules as in physics. And the trucker helping you like that and stuff. I mean, what he experienced was from his vantage point, but to him, clearly it would have had been something very physical where he thought he could actually push it off you, even though I think that that was probably at the end of the day, probably a useless effort because of what these things actually are. Yeah, he, um, I mean, to his, his vantage point, he's seeing a giant dog chasing me. Mm-hmm. And he's like, what is this thing doing? But I don't know if he saw the thing reaching out from my door handle. Mm-hmm. But I could hear it, it's like, nails, like, click, clicking off

my car. And I was like, man, no, no, no, no, no, no. I've heard of this. Yeah. And then I heard it, I heard it, I heard it, like, grab at my nail or not miss. And I heard it scratch. And I thought I was going to have, like, all these horrible deep cuts in my car, but there's just one pretty good one. I'll check it out. after this. Yeah, I'll show you. It's pretty cool. Not for my car, but for the experience, at least there's some evidence. But, no. Why did you get your phone out and film it while you're driving 75 miles down the highway with the dog man trying to get in your car? Why didn't you film it? I mean, I don't believe you because you didn't film it. I know. Anybody that ever

says that, I'm going to be like, wait until there's something I'm going to see you. And try not to just be like messed up the rest of your life because it's so horrifying. I mean, like, I've had experiences where, like, I see lights in the sky. Like, it just happened the other night. It literally just happened the other night. I was driving home. I pulled a late night here. I was driving home.

And I saw a light in the sky that, hold on a second. That first UFO you saw. What color was it? Green. With a red light going around. Holy crap. Holy crap. I saw the same thing every night.

I don't doubt it. Holy crap. Yeah. It was like a green ball with like a red light. So I couldn't see it. All right. Oh, my gosh, you're blowing my mind. So I, all right. So I was driving home and I take the, I take a, I was taking Severeville Road home. Yeah. And I'm totally. So I see this light in the sky. And when I, holy crap. Holy crap. I didn't know you had this. No, me. So I, so I, here's, let me back up for a second here. This is why when people have experiences, they don't film because they just don't think about it in the moment, right? This experience that I, this experience that I, had wasn't like scary or anything but I was like captivated in the moment I'm not thinking about recording I just want to I'm like trying to figure out this is a star whatever what am I looking at

exactly so I'm also driving my pickup truck down back road so I'm trying to stay on the road while I'm looking out the window and all that stuff but it was it was green it is like a faint green though like for me because it was pretty far away and it looked like it was a red flashing light and it seemed like it was going around it flashing and and I'm trying to watch it as I'm again and it seemed like as I was driving down the road I wasn't getting closer to it it was like staying an equal distance away from me and then I pull into my my my my my my my my my my neighborhood and I pull down my driveway and I when I'm when I'm getting to closer to the house I'm looking like this thing like I'm trying to like mentally envision where this is in the sky so when I get in

my driveway I'm like nowhere to look when I get out because I'm like it's like two three o'clock in the morning, I'm like, yo, I'm going to get a picture of this when I get out of the truck, right? So I pull into my driveway, and as I'm getting closer to my neighborhood, I'm seeing this thing in the sky, and there's no stars in the sky. I'm like, oh, it must be a cloudy night because- it's been cloudy, yeah. So, like, I'm like, I don't see any other stars. So this can't be just a bright star in the sky. And so I pull into my driveway, I get out of my truck. And as soon as I get out of my truck, I walk behind my truck, maybe like 12, 15 feet up the driveway. And I look up in the sky, stars everywhere, beautiful starry night. I can't see that light anywhere. It's gone.

I just, I couldn't see it. And I'm just like, that's weird. And I never thought anything about it. I was just, I just actually stood in the driveway admiring stars. Like, man, this beautiful night out. Totally forgot about the UFO or whatever it was. And then I went inside, got changed, we went to bed until now. I just thought of it. It literally just happened a few nights ago. That doesn't surprise me. That's crazy, dude. That doesn't surprise me a bit, man. Wow. This place is weird, dude. I'm telling you, like, I love living here. That gets weird.

I love living here. Everybody should just move to East Tennessee. And the East Tennesseeans are like, no, stay away. Like, I tell you, though, the East Tennessee... They hate you for going to. They hear me talking, like, where are you from? Like, oh, here we go. You're one of them blue states?

Yeah. Where do you come from? The North of the West. You're talking to me Yankee. You're welcome here, but keep your politics there. Yeah. You don't like guns? Put one in your head.

Yeah. And I show on mine, like, okay, you're fine. Yeah. As long as you're like, weapons. and you vote for Trump. Yeah, it's funny because it's like, it's like they start talking about weapons. I'm like pull my gun out and it's not threatening. And they're like, oh, so you're one of those.

Perfect. Welcome here. You know? They don't even find it threatening when you pull it out. No, no. They're like, what kind is it, you know? So it's great. I love it.

But anyways, back on topic. That's crazy. So, so I don't know. I'm not saying I saw the same thing you saw. Actually, what I saw would have been in the direction of Severeville. Okay. Yeah. That's not that way.

So, or Seymour. Seymour probably. Seymour. Yeah. That's where I came through today to get here. Yeah. It was more towards Seymour. So that's actually the opposite direction of Oak Ridge, but it doesn't matter.

This whole area is engulfed in Oak Ridge. It's crazy. I think Oak Ridge has gone to a level now that's like something we've never seen here. I agree. The stuff that's happening now. And I think it's a new development. Yes, that's what I'm thinking to. I mean, like I lived here for 10 years.

No, I'm sorry. I came here when I was 16. I lived here to about 30. I saw like a triangle UFO one time. Other than that, I had like one sort of crypt encounter in the park. Other than nothing. I was back here for less than a year and I went out fishing one night and this is the encounter I had by Oak Ridge. And I started looking online and I'm like, I'm not the only one who's seen stuff like this before.

And that's what got me to even say anything about it. I wasn't even going to bring it up as I heard you have that conversation where you brought up that sniper or whatever. Yeah. And he said, oh, shoot, what comes at the port? and that clicked. I was like, oh, that's what it is. There's something over there just letting this stuff through. It has to be. So that sniper that I met at the party, there's an update with that.

I'll let the people know in the sense of this. So he might be hearing this right now. His wife might be hearing this right now. They might be listening to my show now. We've become pretty friendly with them. And really nice guy. His wife's really nice. And I actually, me and my wife are just talking about it.

them over the house sometime. But I ran into him for a second time at a birthday party a couple weekends ago. And I said to him, I was like, man, listen, we were at Fourth of July. You had too many beers in you. And so you said about this portal thing at Oakridge, I'm assuming you just had too many beers in you. I'm just trying to like give him out, right? Wax it off. And he's like, no. He's like, he's like, no, I was serious. And I was like, what are you doing to me? Dude, you know who you're talking to? Like, I'm like, you're killing me. And he basically told me that it wasn't his experience,

but somebody that's working there, that he's now, because he works there too, told him that they are opening portals there and that at some point, whatever they do, pierced through to the other side and something came through.

And what came through, I don't know if it was physical as well, but it was definitely audible. it was like this like growl like like to on a level of scary that left everybody in the room running for their life and so every just like bailed out of this room once they pierced through this portal sounds like bar room right no that's what i'm saying like that's one so i like what i got to do is got to see if he's willing to connect to the person that told that story because i want to hear what this thing sounded like uh but you know i would love to have him sometime on the show but i don't know

if he would actually come on the show i'm just enjoying having him as a friend he's a cool dude I'll give you a list of stuff to ask him. Yeah, right? I experienced, and is any of it matches anything he said, then we're on a something. Yeah. So here's the thing. I mean, I don't know if I said as the beginning of the show, but if I did, I'll repeat myself.

I've been doing it a lot recently. In 2019, the scientists, they said that they were going to be opening a portal there. And then they backtracked when everybody kind of threw a fit. And so, like, yeah, I did say it because I said that scientists aren't comedians. And so, and they're not. don't do tongue and cheek stuff. So, so, and what we know about CERN and now Oak Ridge, I'm, I'm venturing to think that there might be a connection between CERN and Oak Ridge on a quantum level.

And I wonder if, if, because CERN just fired up last month in July, and for the first time in a year, they're, they're breaking records where they're using more power than ever to power up CERN. They're really kicking it up a notch. And is that kicking up a notch over there affecting Oak Ridge here because we have the same tool. It's just a smaller tool, but it's the same type of tool here. And is there some kind of quantum level connection? And there's other particle accelerators throughout the world that I have to look into and see if I can locate where they are at. If anybody has a list or knows of other places that have particle accelerators, please reach out to me because what I would like to see is,

are there things happening in these areas as well as compared to Oak Ridge? Because I want to see if it's all connected on a quantum level. Because what we're experienced, so what changed recently? Not a whole lot other than Oakridge firing up, or not Oakridge, CERN firing up. CERN fires up last month. I think it was on the 4th of July or the July 5th, it fires up for the first time and over a year. And what have we been seeing the past few weeks here? Crazy electrical storms. Electrical storms. Yes. It's like the weather, like all the locals I'm talking to, as somebody who's not from around here, I haven't spent an entire year here. I don't know what the weather patterns are.

People are going out of their way. Just normal people telling me, yeah, the weather around here, this is not normal. Like, we haven't had this. And I posted on my Instagram, I think it's my personal Instagram, Tony Merkel official, a video of me and Alex, the guy, the Bigfoot Hunter. We finished recording here. It was like 1230 at night. We go out in the parking lot and the light, the sky's lighting up purple and stuff. But that was just that night.

Like, I'm driving home at night and I'm seeing lightning streaks going across the sky to very, very isolated lightning clouds not moving anywhere. It's just like one... Like a ball. Very isolated, just flashing lighting up.

And I was actually on the phone with Scott from the Freaky Deaky Podcast. So like Scott from the Freaky Deaky Podcast is he lives in Alaska. And so he's six hours behind us. So I can call him at midnight and it's six o'clock his time. He'll answer.

So I remember I was driving home late at night and I called him because like we were actually talking about a marketing thing we were working on. But while I'm on the phone with him, the sky is lighting. I'm freaking out. Anybody can go over and ask him. Like, go to Freaky Deaky Podcast, look up his email and email and ask him what it was like being on the phone with me when this was happening. The sky was lighting up like crazy.

I actually bailed off. I've got it on my phone right now. I probably do too. Because I bailed off. I bailed off into a neighborhood, parked my truck in some random neighborhood on a hill. facing this, this storm. It wasn't a storm, though. It wasn't a storm.

The sky was, well, the sky was cloudy in certain areas. It was sparsely cloudy. And this thing was just lighting up. Oh, I know what day you're talking about. And I took video of it, and I say it's a sky. Because I was like, dude, check this out, man. And the video didn't do it justice for seeing it in a person. It never does.

It never does, right? But, like, so, like, the weather's around here is being so out of the ordinary that the locals, just in conversation are saying how weird it is. And from my vantage point, knowing what Oakridge is, knowing what CERN is, and being aware, not understanding, but knowing that there is some kind of quantum connection through a quantum level with just the very essence of existence for people and things, I really wonder if there's some kind of, at least quantum level connection between the two facilities. And if CERN firing up has affected Oak Ridge and, and this is something that I have no proof of, but I wouldn't think that

it's impossible. Do they work together? Or are the laylines part of it? I think that very might be part of it. I mean, actually they call them the Dragon Pass, right? So, yeah. I mean, you could think like, I mean, any kind of energy level between here and somewhere that matches on the grid would have to be connected in some way.

Anything it happened in one place that happened in another. But, I mean, at the same time, anytime you fire up a collider, you're thinking just the energy level alone would be enough to change everything anyway. Right. So I'm thinking I didn't When this all happened to me I never knew that Oak Ridge was anything

But an old nuclear site that was shut down Oh you thought it was shut down Oh I thought they still had like people there But they were just doing like research on atoms It's very active 100% man I didn't even know really honestly I'm telling like I heard about the portal thing

Because of when I looked into it I heard that they're like oh There's portals in Oak Ridge I hear there's portals everywhere Everyone's got a story about a portal you know You're like, yeah, yeah, we've seen that. But then when I heard you say that about that sniper, and I was like, hold on a minute. I was like, Merkel's been talking to some people out there that about snipers from the military.

I was like, I'm looking at it because you said Y-12, too. You didn't give it to you all, the Oak Ridge Power Plant. Yeah. Y-12. I was like, he knows what he's talking about. I'm looking into this. And I was like, dang. And then when I was driving, I told you about that sign, the Oak Ridge, the Billboard.

Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway. Yeah, tell about the billboard. This is weird. This is so weird. Yeah, so I was telling my boss, man, he's like my friend for like 25 years, about all this stuff that I've been talking to you about now.

I came to, I came to, I talked to you first, and I went to him about it because I was like, there's people out here think like me. You don't get it. Yeah. But I told him, like, I was like, man, there's portals over there, the opening, and he's starting to get into it too. He's starting to believe, like, there's some kind of something happening

because he could see it changing the culture around him. It's weird in the mount. So I'm driving in Knoxville one day. We're going to do a move to help this guy or whatever, blah, blah, So we're going through there. I see this billboard and says Y-12 on it. And I'm like, oh, cool, a Y-12 plant. Let's take a look.

It's got two hands held out like it's holding like, you know, if you're holding like a bread for somebody or water, like you're together clenched up and there's like stars in it. There are stars in the hand. Yeah, it looks like it looks like stars and like almost like a portal or like a black hole or something. And it says sharing the secret. Ah!

Yeah. And I'm like, that's your billboard? I was like, dang, man. no wonder I saw weird stuff over there. Dude, this is just the common practice, right? They got to tell you. They got to tell you. They got to tell you.

Yeah. So, listen, I got to check out that billboard. So like... Oh, I should have felt if I talked to you first, I would have filmed it, bro. I'm going to go out there and take a picture of it. It's got to be still up there, right? I'm going to go there today. After I get out of here, I'll just do it to see if I get it for you.

Yeah, definitely take a picture. That'd be great. That'd be crazy, right? Oh, dude. I want that picture bad. I'm literally going to go there right now. and I'm going to get here and I'm going to go right back and try to find it

because I was like I wanted to get it for myself too because that is incredible dude that's crazy. Unreal. So, all right. Anyway, so this experience that you had it was, it's a lot of you having an experience that started around

Oak Ridge followed you multiple days. Yeah. And this is not this is not any kind of speculative statement I'm about to make. I'm just saying in general, you draw a conclusion that it's tied to Oak Ridge because it started in the area of Oak Ridge, right? Yeah, I was like seven miles from Oak Ridge.

Okay. And just so people understand, like, like, I personally believe that Oak Ridge, the existence, physical existence of Oak Ridge and what they're doing there affects such a large radius away from Oak Ridge. Like, just because you're not at the facility, it doesn't mean you're not being affected of what's happening at the facility. I mean, you're within 50 miles of a place where there's a portal. Yes. Here where the portal is. Yes. And not to mention that, I'm thinking like, hey, if you look at like where Mount Herman was, where the fallen angels, they picked Mount Herman because of the oak.

They went there to build their, they cleaned the whole mountain out of oak. If you read all that, that's where they went. So if you say Oak Ridge, you're like, why would they name it that? That's interesting. Yeah, you're like, come on, man. That's where the fallen angels were. They picked a mountain, Mount Herman where the oak was on the ridge. So they went there and they cleaned it out and they used that.

That's why they used to say they would slay. If you heard earlier the stories about the Bible They said, oh, we'll slay your gods among the oak You know, like that will leave your idols among the oak It's because they would talk about They would like that because of the Nephilim and stuff So I'm like, man, when I heard that, I was like, Why would they name it Oak Ridge?

So I got me to looking at that Couldn't find out why they named an Oak Ridge. There's no oak over there. There's no. There's no. There's no. Wow. Yeah, there's nothing. So it makes you wonder if they... It makes you wonder. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

And knowing that they built the nuke there. Like, I mean, that right there, oh, wow. That's interesting. It's weird, man. I was like, man, the war I get into it. And you're like, okay, so after they built the bomb, what did they do there for the next 10 years? 20 years, 30 years.

My grandfather would be like, oh, my grandfather was, he moved here in the 70s. He's dead now. But he was like, oh, yeah, back in the day, it was the secret city. It wasn't on the map. They didn't know what he was there because they were building the bomb. And then, you know, time goes by. and people found out about it, but they still, like,

he said at the time, he said, there are still mathematicians that go there. And I was like, why? He's like, I don't know. Well, I can tell you, like, like, yeah, see, I got to start being careful with how I talk about certain people I'm meeting now

because I think it's different now where in Pennsylvania, I could meet people and know that they're never going to listen to my show because it's like, in the Philadelphia area, nobody listened to my show. Like, I didn't have listeners. Like, I had some.

Pennsylvania. But like, they're just like, like, I didn't have to worry about running the people who knew who I was. Here, it's a little different. And when I talk to people here, it seems like they're more interested in what I do. And so, like, I know, for instance, some of my neighbors, since I moved here, follow me on social media now. So they, they see what I do.

And if they tune into the show, maybe. like they wouldn't appreciate me talking about what they do for a living kind of thing, you know what I mean? So I got to start being careful with that. And you're right for this reason alone because a lot of them don't believe that's what they're doing because they're not part of the whole situation. They might be just building the chair that goes in the craft.

Right. But they're like, come on, man. You're going to tell me. Especially like if you're talking about people who come from a very scientific background, they already are like, you know, this stuff. They're like, come on, bro. Bigfoot, really?

Okay. That was like 1967, progress a little bit, you know? Yeah. And I get it. But it's, I think if I had a chance to sit down with a scientist or somebody of a scientific mind like that and just have a hard talk. Off air, no mics, just talking. I think I could at least get them to a point where it's just like, they can't say it's impossible. Unless he's a Democrat.

Then you're scared. Come on, man. You're trying to knock down my listener numbers after an hour of 15 minutes of recording. You're killing my audience. I was projecting. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I was projecting.

I'm kidding. I did not tell him to say that. No, he did not. I said it on a moment. But it's one of those things where I just feel like just the limited knowledge. I'm not a scientist, but I feel like that I know and I, I feel like I can, I can use the apologetics method almost of it and just be like, you know, I can pretty much take what you believe and what you stand for and take what I feel like I know and introduce the topic to you in a way

where you can be like, hmm, hmm, I guess I can't say it's impossible, you know what I mean? That's all I'm looking for. I'm not asking you to believe me. Just give it a chance, just maybe acknowledge that. Okay, if you put it that way, then no, I can't say it's impossible. Yeah, sure. I mean, listen to everything and make your own decision. Right, right. But don't just take your head off and, you know, but listen, let's look at this. A lot of people see this every day. Yeah. A lot of people.

Yeah. A lot of people are judges. A lot of people are cops. A lot of people are Tony Merkel. A lot of people are at them. Yep. But it doesn't mean anybody's any better than anybody else, but we do see it. Right, right.

So why can we not believe that it's possible? Yeah. You know? Mm-hmm. Heck, I can say I saw a parade with Dolly Parton, and I did. But if I said I saw a Sasquatch, me like, like, nah. It's because it's your program. Right, right, right.

That's the thing about it. There's a lot of programming going on in our world today where they just, they'll make you feel like you're not socially accepted if you say a certain thing. Right, right. And people will stand by it. Yeah. Even with like polter guy stuff and like a ghost activity or whatever, they'll be like, uh, can't do it.

Sorry. You know, you're like, why? Yeah. Why is it so, why is it so taboo to say that it's not, to say that you see something a certain way? Right. You know, but it's okay to be religious. Mm-hmm.

See, that's a whole thing. different ways. See what I'm saying is like I don't understand. I just I don't understand the whole program. I think that if somebody says something they saw with me, you should listen to him. Yeah. And here's the thing. Like, I mean, it's not like I have Adam here telling me this crazy experience he had one night or three nights. And, and like, that's the first I've ever heard of it. If it was like, if it was like you were alone in the wilderness saying, I saw this and stuff, it's like, okay, all right, buddy, you know, okay. I'd still be seen that if I were you. That story's crazy.

But no, I mean, maybe I'm conditioned this is what I've been doing the last five years. But like, I mean, the reality is there are so many people who have, maybe not that exact story, but different experiences of running into these, if you want to just call them for general purposes, creatures, that it's just like, are they all crazy? And some people would say, yes, they're all crazy.

They're either all crazy or they're lying to you. And I'm just like, uh, I don't know. Maybe not. because there are certain things that I can actually verify. And it leaves it to the point that it's like, I can't speak for Adam and say, Adam's telling me the truth. But I can speak to the overall topic and say, yeah, it's real.

And, you know, there are certain things that over the years you just, you come to understand or there's certain things, little tiny things that you've been able to verify a certain specific story that like, well, that story was true. And if that story is true, then who's the story? say Adam's story isn't true, you know? And so, and that's what I love about the show, man. Like, we just have people on. They share their experiences. And I'm not here to tell people what to believe. You're not here to tell people what to believe. Like, you shared your story. I listen

the story. We have a conversation about it. It's the audience job for them personally to sit back and say, what do I believe? We actually want the audience to think for themselves and make up their own decisions. And if you don't believe at them, that's fine. But we actually want you to think for yourself. You know, like, like, like, like, like, we know it's a foreign concept in today's world. Everybody's telling you what to think and stuff. And, and, hey, don't look at the WikiLeaks documents. We'll look at it for you. We'll tell you what it's in, what's in there kind of thing. That's what they said on CNN years ago. Like, like, like, and we're over here at the confessional saying, no, no, it's actually okay. You can think for yourself and you make your own decision, you know?

I'm about thinking a skill that's dying quickly. Big time, big time. And it's very important. Yeah. So Adam, man, I, listen, I appreciate you sharing this story. I find it fascinating. We're going to continue this conversation into overtime. We're going to go into, maybe we'll touch on the Oak Ridge stuff more, but we're also going to talk about the Bigfoot encrypted encounters you've had. And also, dude, I do want to get into the whole occultic background that you have and stuff. Because even in the email, you said to me that paranormal encounters, I'm a Christian occultist. And now. So, so like, so you and I, I, theologically, probably I don't agree on a whole lot. Maybe not too far off. Well, maybe. I don't know. Like, what I want to do is, I want to know what is a Christian occultist?

Because to me, those two terms... You're a Christian occultist. Okay, well, we're going to have to... Because I don't think I'm a Christian occultist. You're diving pretty hard into it for a non-gift-cultist. Is you what I am? Well, all right, so I look into things, but... All right.

I'm not saying you practice it, but you're very interested in it. Okay, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I want to hear what your definition of Christian occultus is. Okay, okay. Because then maybe according to your definition, I am.

But I'm very uncomfortable saying of a Christian occultus. I thought if I hit you right there with you, I might get an admission. I'm like, yeah. Well, no, you had me at the subject line. Portals at Oak Ridge. You had me. So let's move this to the overtime of staff. Fair enough, but before we get out of here, give the company you worked for a shout-out.

Oh, Mitchell move in Tennessee. we work in East Tennessee. If you always need someone to move, give us a call. Mitchell moving. All right. All right, listen, guys, if you're a member right now, head on over the overtime. I have a feeling the overtime is going to be at least two hours.

Who knows, where we're going to talk about all this stuff. But listen, I appreciate you being here, man. And it was great having you on to talk about this. It was great. Being with you, Tony, you're a legend, brother. I've been listening for five years now. So keep doing the good work, bud. Well, that's sure, but I really hope you enjoyed it.

And I know you did enjoy it. So do me a favor and share this show with everybody that's into these topics that you talk to about this stuff. Everybody listening right now, you've talked to somebody in your life about ghosts, Bigfoot, dog man, something of the like. Those are the people you want to share the show with. So take the link that you're listening to right now and share it with those people. And I thank you very much. Listen, friends, this is an overtime episode. So why don't you head on over to the overtime as a member's exclusive?

We did a couple more hours over there with Adam talking about his different other experiences. it was great conversation. I know you're going to love it. So head on over there now. And the rest of you, thanks for being here. Until next week, stay safe, take care, and remember, the truth was set you free. But first, it'll piss you off. Bye.