The Confessionals - 47: The Back Room

Episode Date: December 9, 2017

On Episode 47: The Back Room, Jason joins The Confessionals to share his family's experiences with their home and the back room.Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel 

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Welcome to the show, everybody. I am your host, Tony Merkel, and you are listening to The Confessionals, a proud partner of the BombPod Media Network, and a featured show on blog talk radio.com. If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. That's the confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. Or you can go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the connection section,

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Now this week we have Jason coming on and Jason comes on to share a lot of different stories of kind of like a paranormal haunted house that he lived in, but it seems like it was attached to certain members of the family at certain times and it actually traveled with them outside the house. pretty interesting stuff. Let's get to Jason right after this. Okay, tonight I have Jason coming on and Jason and I connected with each other a little while ago, Jason, and you and I kind of hit and miss for a little bit. How are you doing? Doing good. I'm glad to finally be on with you because it's been something I wanted to share. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we were missing each other a little bit there. I think you were sick and then I was sick or something like that.

but I'm glad we're definitely getting on. So you've grown up in a haunted house, and when you contact me on Facebook, you're like, oh, it wasn't even about your experience. We were talking about something else, and you're like, oh, yeah, I've had a haunted house experience when I was growing up, but I didn't know if I should contact you. I was like, dude, yeah, of course. Like, that's what I'm about. So I'm really glad you're coming on tonight, man.

So why don't you just take it away and share with us what you've experienced? Yeah, so it's kind of like, it's a story. that, the experience kind of like three different sections of time. I grew up in upstate New York, actually, right outside of Saratoga Springs, which is

pretty big, like, Civil War era, you know, type of surroundings and whatnot. There was a battle of Bennington, there was a battle of Saratoga, all this kind of stuff. So the little town that I grew up on outside of Saratoga

had a very rich history. with the Quakers and Indians actually fighting each other. And then actually the road I lived on was the road that Colonel Baum took to the Battle of Bennington into Vermont. So there's just like a lot of, like I said, rich history and stuff like that. So my parents bought the house in I think it was 1967. My father moved up from Queens and my mother lived in Albany. They got married, obviously, and then, you know, bought this home.

There was one owner prior, and they actually built a home. So it wasn't like this old house or anything like that. I think they built the house in like 64 or something like that. It was like a couple years old when they built it. You know, just typical ranch-style house, all this kind of stuff. Dirt Road. crossed away from the house, there was an old cemetery that just was kind of there. A lot of family plots, stuff like that and whatnot.

But nobody really ever gave it a peace of mind or anything like that. So when my parents moved in, my mother had two previous children that were older than my parents. When they got married, they created me and my little brother. but pretty much straight away from the time that my parents and my mother's two daughters moved into the home, things were just not really, like, bad, but just always just kind of like off from what they said. I obviously was a little bit younger or wasn't even really actually around at that point. But there was just always like a weird tension in the area. there, especially with my older sister.

She was probably about eight at the time, just acting out a lot. I mean, a lot of stuff could be, you know, typical, you know, kid stuff. But there was, as they described it, there was just kind of like this very kind of like just a change in attitudes. But again, they didn't really give it too much of a peace of mind just because, you know, they just moved and my mother got married to my father, all this kind of stuff. You know, typical, could be growing pains. But everything just kind of mounted from that point. So we'll fast forward to when me and my brother come along. My earliest memory of the house was probably about five years old,

where I remember as a kid, like just always feeling like something was around me. And my brother, not so much, but I always just felt that there was something always like near me, watching me, that kind of stuff. So it's like I said, about five or six at this point. Then the first, I guess, experience, I could say, was right around that, right around that initial memory was I was standing in the kitchen, again, five or six years old. and I went to throw something into the garbage can, and the garbage can moved. Like, it slid probably about, I don't know, between one and two feet in the opposite direction of me throwing something into the can. So whatever I was throwing into the can, just like, you know, hit the floor. It was actually a paper towel, I remember.

Wow. Yeah, and it just moved. And even at being at that young age, I was just like, you know, kind of like, didn't want to believe. But I was, so I'm like, how did that, you know, how did that happen? Like, I'm looking for something that pushed it. Like, you know, that's six years old trying to debunk how this garbage can just like split across the floor.

But I remember at the time, at the same time, just being like, well, like, that makes sense. Like, you know, it just makes sense that that happens because, you know, there's this energy that's just kind of like vibrating around. So it's like my first real interact, like kind of like memory of like, okay, like this is going to be a long like, you know, 18 years. So at the same time, like my sister at this point had like probably 13, 14. And she's just, well, she was eight at the time.

So it's about five, six years. So it makes sense about 14. Just like wild. constantly in her room, not really coming out, constantly fighting with my parents, making everybody's life pretty much hell, like in the house. And she just progressed in that manner of just acting out. And probably at about 16, she got into witchcraft pretty hard. I guess.

And she was actually practicing witchcraft in her room that, like, my parents, like, figured out she was in there messing with that stuff. And, like, we were, we weren't, like, you know, super religious, but we went to church on Sunday. We were raised Methodist, you know, typical, like, upstate, you know, New York, you know, Methodist family. You know, crossing the house, all that kind of stuff. but, you know, not, you know, not, you know, kneeling on the floor floor and, like, repenting every day, you know, just like, you know, just like a normal, like middle class, like my dad went to work. My mother was a stay at home mom, you know, just very suburban, whatever, you know, normal upbringing. So there wasn't really, why I'm saying that is because I don't want to paint the picture that, like, she was lashing out against religion or anything like that. It was just, she became very, just very into it. Like she started seeking it out, seeking out other people that practiced it and all this kind of stuff.

So when she started like kind of doing this stuff in the room, I never actually saw it. So, but she was vocal about it like, oh, like we should check, you know, you should check this out. Like she was constantly like trying to tempt me and my brother to kind of join in. And we were just like, no. like not into that Cynthia, you know. So that's when stuff

really kind of went like bonkers. Like, the only way I could explain it, like, you know, just from me being a novice would be, you know, opened up a door, you know, or a porthole or something, you know. And like there was,

obviously there was previous energy in the home. But like I said, that her, like, even her room, like, when you walked into it, it was just, like, sick and, like, get me out of here. And my aunt actually came to visit around this period of time. My mother's side of the family is kind of intuitive, I guess you could say. My aunt came and walked in the house and walked in the house and walked down the hall towards her room, excuse me, and, like, literally stopped. Now, she had no, like, no, like, she was.

did my mom wasn't like calling her up and saying you know this is what cynthia is doing in the room you know was just she didn't know um and got to the end of the hall and it was you know it sounds dramatic like it's out of a movie but it kind of you know it happened you know and like stood in front of the door and was just like wow like this is really you know not good like there's a really really bad feeling here and um my mother kind of like escorted her down the hall and, you know, went to the living room and was like, well, yeah, it's kind of funny because, you know, we've been, you know, this is what Cynthia is doing right now. She was like, oh, she has to stop. So anyway, she, she wound up running away and like all this kind of stuff.

And things just kind of kept, you know, again, it was just an energy thing. A lot of, like, missing, things would go missing. like constantly. Problems with electronics. Not that there was that many electronics in the mid-80s, but, you know, just things would just like stop working. Things missing pets. Like we always had like numerous cats in the house through this period of time.

And it was just, the cats would just go nuts. They would be in the hallway batting at nothing, running around, sniffing at the door, you know, to that room, turn around like blasts down the hallway, like that kind of stuff. And my bedroom was kind of kitty cornered to her door, so it's like a long hallway. So her door was at the very end. Mine was to the right here looking down the hall. And even at night, like getting up, like I remember just laying in bed, like,

just trying, just holding, like I had to have to go to the bathroom and just holding it as long as humanly possible because I didn't like want to walk by that door. And it wasn't a sense, it wasn't, it wasn't, I mean, yeah, I was scared, but it was more, when you'd walk by the door, you felt like you were being pushed. And I remember just like, cutting that corner and just feeling, and just like feeling something at my back, like, for years. So anyway, kind of fast forward through that. So she, my sister took off. And then my other sister who was all there, she went into college and all this kind of stuff.

So it was just kind of like me and my brother and my parents left in the house. So that's kind of like, you know, part one, I guess. You know, it's like, you know, the fuse was lit, I guess, would be the best way to put it. So now I'm probably, like I'm 14 now, you know, and my little brother were like Irish twins, I guess they call us, were like a year apart. So he's like 13. And like things were calm.

Like they definitely felt better. But there was always just like an oddness. So I decided to keep my room because I was like, I am not, I'm not taking that room. Like I'm just not taking it because me and my brother would bunk together. You know, me and my brother shared a room. and my two sisters. Well, actually, Cynthia had the, you know, her room. And then my other sister had another room.

So my brother was like, yeah, whatever. He was like I said, he was just kind of like, eh, you know, you know, what do you do? You know, so he's like, I'll take it. So he takes the room. And the other thing I want to throw out, this room is always cold, constantly cold. It could be 98 degrees out and 100% humidity there. room is cold and there's not an AC unit in there. You know what I mean?

So my brother takes it and I'm going to be 100% honestly. He went through a pretty hard rebellious stage. I'm not saying like immediately he went in the room and like, you know, oh, like, you know, I'm pissed at the world now. It was just he just, he changed. Like he literally changed. Like I would walk in his room and be like, hey, what's going on? And, you know, we'd be in there, like, cutting up his GI Joe's,

breaking, you know, just breaking things. We had, you know, desks, you know, parents got us a nice desk to do our schoolwork on. Like, he carved up, like, the whole top of his desk with a knife. You know, my mother was like, what did you do? We just, you know, we just bought you this. He's like, it's mine, you know. Could be a typical boy stuff, but, you know, my brother was very, sweet prior to this, you know. And again, it's just that energy. The other thing that happened

while this, you know, part two was starting of everything was my parents decided to do some renovations on the house, and they built this huge addition to the back of the home. And during that period, I think that, well, I don't think I know, but really kind of ushered in, like, a new set of problems, to be honest with you. Yeah, where now it's like, you know, seeing, you know, I don't know what you want to call them shadow figures. Like now, like the visual things are coming. It wasn't, you know, part one was all energy.

Now it's like energy and like, you know, black things walking around. And just constantly seeing a large figure and, you know, other like, you know, waist high kind of figures and all this kind of stuff. You know, the typical, like out of the corner of the eye sitting there watching TV and you're like, oh, who just walked by? Oh, nobody walked by, you know. just nonstop to the point where it's, you know, in the beginning it was kind of like, like, like, please no, like, why is this happening now to like, you know, you just, it was just part of the daily routine. And also, excuse me, at this point, like me and my brother,

both started to get touched, like quite a bit, like at nighttime when we were sleeping. It was always the feat. And I know sleep paralysis, sleep paralysis is something that's real. But there was probably like five or six times that, you know, I woke up and was just completely like pinned. My brother never really had that happen. But my, but I did. and the other thing that started happening at this point is it became part of like my mother's routine as well like she started getting touched at night and stuff like that again nothing nothing like violent you know

but when somebody slapped your foot and you're sleeping like somebody slapped your foot you know um you like you know everybody knows what that feels like you know big touch so um but the sleep process thing that was something that like really kind of targeted me and just like really scared the shit out of me. I don't know if I'm like more open to things or what, but like I just kind of felt like a lot of the energy kind of like lingered around me a little bit. Yeah, it's the same thing with the animals and all this kind of stuff. You know, cats run around. I literally watched my cat do a somersault once. It just, kind of was sitting there and just went, I don't know how else to say it, but butt overhead

and did a flip from the sitting position. Yeah, it was pretty crazy. It was a big cat, the main white, white man Coom Cat thing was huge. So now, like I said, my brother's kind of getting agitated a little bit and all this kind of stuff. He, unbelievably, really dove into Elister Crowley. Wow. Yeah, and started, he was like, he started with,

like, you know, he's a college professor now. You know what I mean? He's like, you know, he's a hipster. But,

you know, he was like, you know, really got into, you know, dark, yeah, I mean,

I was an Ozzie, but, you know, he really got into Ozzy Oswald. Um, really got into Crowley. um and started studying i remember the book he went out and got it was called the book of the abramian

mage which is the book that of incantations that actually crawley studied so it was like he went to the source he's like yeah and kind of started kicking around with that a little bit and had some buddies come over and all this kind of stuff you know like minded fellows like my sister did actually it was almost like watching this kind of the same thing happen again. But at the same time, he wasn't like, he wasn't lashing out as much as my sister. And to be honest, with you looking back at it, you know, the kind of like the sets of kids that went through the house. We were all kind of at puberty when we were like targeted, you know? Like my sister was hitting puberty when she kind of like love.

or shit and so was my brother, you know. Yeah. Which they, I've heard that. I don't know. You know, I'm just telling, you know, it's just what I've heard that spirits will target, you know, teens, adolescents going through puberty, drug addicts, alcoholics, you know, people like that, people like kind of people that are emotionally in turmoil. So, yeah, he started messing around with that stuff.

And, you know, I even said to him, you know, at the time, like, you know, Justin, this, like, really isn't a good idea, you know, like, you know what happened before. And he was just like, well, he just didn't care. I don't know. You know, you just didn't care. My parents caught wind of it. They weren't very happy. But, you know, he was getting good grades and all that kind of stuff. They probably could have done a little bit more, honestly, to, like, stop it.

but they but they're getting good grades so yeah Crowley you know what do you know you know yeah well why we take a break right now and we'll come back and kind of jump right back into the story with your brother and things like that we'll be right back okay we're back and you left off where you were talking about how your parents were pretty lenient with him when it came to this stuff as long as he was getting good grades so uh why don't you kind of walk us into what happened next yeah so long story sure, I'll tighten this up a little bit.

So he, after, during that whole period of time, now those shadow, no, keep in mind along the way, I totally left this out. My father was always like, you guys are crazy. He was an, you know, he was a mechanical engineer.

He's German. You know, he's a World War II veteran at the time. You know, he was just like, you're like, come on, guys. Like, you're just scaring each other. What are you doing? You know? But, you know, like my father would be, you know, I'd wake up and I'm wearing exhausted.

And it's like, you know, you got to get some sleep at night. I'm like, dad, I can't sleep. Like, literally I went through probably five years where I couldn't sleep just because I just stuff, you know. I was just petrified. You know, my desk would shake and all this kind of stuff. So brother goes through this stuff. He's messing around, whatever. Um, so me and my brother and my mother left on what was like a Saturday in the summertime.

And we went out, we, I think we went to Saratoga, went to the track or something like that, catch the horse races. And, um, we come back and my father, okay, my father stayed at the house. We come back like, I don't know, three, four hours later. And my father is like, my mother's name is Sylvia. Sylvie, can I talk to you for a second? Mother comes out, and they walk down the hall, and they go into my brother's room. My brother's room is, like, turned upside down. Like, all his cassette tapes, like, throwing all over the room.

He had a suit of armor in his room. Like, suit of armor was moved away from the wall and, like, smack dab in the middle of the room. Stuffed animals, like, whatever. Just like mayhem. So at this point, like, me and my brother catch on what's going on. And my father is now talking all three of us. And he's like, I was in the bathroom. Now, my sister said kids at this point.

And he goes, I was in the bathroom. And I heard two little kids run down the hall and go into your brother's room. He goes like, I'm out of the bathroom. I'm calling for Christine. I'm calling for Christine. I was my other sister. I'm calling for Christine. and he's like, there's nobody here.

He was like dumbfounded. He goes, then I walk into the room, and this is what I see. And he's like, this is like three minutes. He's like, what is going on? And then he kind of like laid in my brother. Like typical, like, you know, World War II veteran engineer. He's like, whatever you're doing in this room, just cut the crap. And like, walk away.

So now my mother's like, my guys, like, you know, whatever. You know, just like stop it. And I have a brother like, I'm like, Justin, what that? Like, he's like, I don't know. Like, I didn't do this. Like, I have no part of it. I'm like, yeah, but you know what like you're doing. He's like, yeah, I know.

But like it's all like, like he's kind of like came clean. It's like, it's all bullshit, right? I'm like, no, dude. Like, like. You know what, like, this house is, like, messed up, you know? And I'm like, you know, remember I went to a psychiatrist? Like, like, this house is screwed up. And that, that moment, it really kind of brought him, well, he kind of had us, like, come to Jesus.

You know, he just, he got very scared. So the other, like, weird part of this, and this is hand the goddess, the gods on is true. If I didn't witness it, I'd probably be like, you sure, man? So we had, you remember I said there was those cassette tapes thrown all over the place. Yeah. Every, well, I don't know, let's say there was ten of them. Say there was ten. Six of them upon trying to play after that all got eaten.

I don't know. I just thought it was very strange. And there was nothing wrong with my brother's mic tape player or anything like that. It was a nice Sony tape deck, whatever. but they all got eaten well not all about half of them when they went to play them

I don't know I just thought that was strange absolutely you know I don't know it's like what does it like the kind of like a magnetism you know because they say you know spirits are like magnetic energy

you know maybe it did something with the magnets in the tape or something um so after this now my you know This is like part three here. After this, my father becomes the target.

I don't know how it's the phrase it. I mean, it's all still around, you know, I'm, everybody's seeing shadow stuff. We're still losing the remotes and then they're getting put back on the coffee table. You know, dishwasher's, you know, being been replaced four times at this point. TV's turning on and off like all those times. Well, it's still going. But my father, at this point, becomes, like I said, the one that's kind of targeted. So the things that they were, things that were happening to my father was that apparently what came through in, like, that second wave of situations with

some sort of witchcraft in the house, brought through a Quaker man and a little, his two children, a little boy and a little girl. So my father over the next, I don't know, let's say we're 15 at this point. We moved down, we were 18. My father for over the next, well, honestly, after we moved out, it kept going on.

So my father for the next, you know, from that day forward, he's passed now. My parents no longer own the home. My mother sold it. She didn't want to stay there, to be honest with you. So the man, as he called him, would just appear to my father. Like, my father would be sitting in the living room in his chair, you know, Archie Bunker chair.

And on the couch, you know, the right of my father, he would see the Quaker man, like full apparition, clothing, color of eyes, and everything, just sitting there. To the point where my father actually, you know, was like, yeah, he has very blue eyes, he has a black beard, he wears a, you know, he's a Quaker, he has a black hat, he has black suspenders, white shirt, boots. Like, no, this is coming from the guy that's like, doesn't believe garbage, you know, like man of science. And there was a few situations where, you know, he, you know, he would be like, you know, like with the first incident.

That was the first incident where he saw him on the couch sitting, like basically sharing company with him. And he was very vocal about it. And that's, I always like, like, okay, like dad's like talking about this stuff finally, you know, after like 16 years. And he was like, I'm like, Dad, you know, did you know, nobody's ever, nobody's seen this man beside my father. And it's like, dad, you know, that's, you know, what's that scary? And he's like, yeah, scared the crap out of me.

He's like, I think I'm alone. I look over there and there's some guy sitting on the couch. And then, you know, well, what happens next? He's like, well, you know, I get up and I look over again and it's gone. You know, he's like, it's like five seconds. You know, it's, you know, five, you know, seconds. So after that incident, um, my parents, um, it was probably a couple months later. Um, where my mother, the, the, the, the garage was off of the, off of my parents' room.

So at three and the, but we had neighbors too. So at three or four in the morning, my mother woke up because she heard the car door open and close. And she was like, oh, wow, you know, Paul's getting home late, you know, next door, you know, typical, like gossip stuff. She thought, like, you know, neighbors come home like bombs or something. Start the phone chain. What's that? Yeah. Start the phone chain.

Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, so that was that. She was like, oh, whatever, next door. That morning, this is probably the one that freaks me out the most. My father gets in his car, and he's driving to work. And he looks, you know, when you look, you look in your river near, you know, your dashboard near. And the man is in his car. And he said it was, out of everything, all of his stories, this was the one I really got him because it really freaked him out.

He almost went off the road because he just like yanked the. wheel to pull over, I guess. And he said all he could see in the rear view mirror was the man's, was the man's blue eyes. And pulled over, he said he could, you know, he could kind of see them perpetually, you know, for a couple seconds, you know, pulls the car over, you know, looks on the back and the guy's gone. And he said he just kind of like sat there shaking.

Like he just, he didn't let he was like, why, you know, what is going on now, like what's happening. So through all that situation, you know, things are still kind of cruising in the house. It's not as bad, though. It's kind of tapering off a little bit because I think we're just kind of older now and, you know, we just kind of come to peace with a lot of stuff. But I had, I would have these dreams while this stuff. stuff was going on.

Could be premeditated. I don't know, but all I know is I was having them. And where I had this reoccur, well, I'm saying dreams, it was one dream. Reoccurring dream of this man that looks like the man, running across what would be our lawn. We lived on a large hill. couple acres, running across this hill, like, holding a small child. And there was just kind of like general, like, it was like a, like, like kind of chaos, like almost looks like he was running through like a, like what would have been like a war zone,

but it was like daytime. There was like, you know, smoke behind him. What I can remember, it looked like it would be like a, like a wagon fire, some sort of fire. And just this man, like, just like, you know, high step in it holding this child. And I kept having like the name, like James or Jim or Jimmy or something like kind of like racing through my head. And so the other thing that my fall condens them all, there would just happen numerous, numerous,

numerous, numerous, numerous times. and my father would be inside the house. Like, we have a lot of windows and there's like a lot of bay windows and kind of all this kind of stuff in the house. So you could very clearly see outside. And he would just see the man like tromping, like the grounds, like just kind of like patrolling the grounds of the house. And I always thought that was kind of strange because the way my father described it, it was like looking for something or, They're kind of like just kind of staking his territory. And the kids, he would see, my father saw the kids a couple times, but not as much as the man.

But he did see, you know, like a little boy and a little girl and, you know, what would have been period clothing, Quaker clothing at the time. But one thing that really ties into all this is that there was that Quaker Indian. battle that was, well, the peace feather, there was actually, they signed a treaty. The peace feather for that, you know, for that treaty was about three miles from our house in like this little kind of like little museum type of thing, you know, that was probably the size of, you know, a 10 by 10 room, you know, but this peace feather was like not on our property, but near, So there was definitely some deep roots with the Native Americans and the Quakers. So after we kind of like piece all this together, a little bit older, like I went off to college and so to my brother.

Oh, one quick little story. The night, the day I moved out of that house, it literally felt like I was under a microscope. So, like, just all eyes, like, I just felt like it was, like, completely being watched at this point. And at this point, I wasn't really, you know, I'm 18. I'm just, I wasn't really scared anymore, you know. Just kind of had like a, you know, been there, done that kind of attitude about it. You get pretty numb to this stuff if you kind of grow up with it. And I've talked to a couple of people that have had, you know, kind of, I guess,

light not lifelong but you know well kind of formative years you know experiences and uh you do you just kind of get numb to it you're just like oh well there's another black thing and you know whatever so um

but that day that I was moving out of the house it was like like a parade of follies it was crazy I couldn't like you know it's like an hour to find my keys um

And yeah, I could have been in disarray, but it was just kind of like perpetual, like just nonstop. Like, I was constantly being tripped, you know, at the time I had CDs, you know, pick up my duffel bag of CDs to bring into the car that's that I remember zipping. It's not zipped. And I, you know, it's just like, like kind of all this stuff. And when I, like, I just remember, like, walking out of the door and it was just like, oh, my God. like just like a relief but um kind of also had like this like this deep like remorse kind of feeling um and i wasn't remorse you know um there's this kind of i almost feel that kind of whatever is or was in that house at that time like became very attached to

everybody. Because again, it was never really bad besides the negative energy in that one room. But it was just kind of like ever present, you know, it was like it was almost like a like a living, breathing, you know, kind of entity that just kind of sat, you know, like in that house. And we had a lot of good memories too, you know, it wasn't all bad. You know, I had a great, like, here I'm going to say, I had a great childhood. But, you know, it was like, you know, like it wasn't all bad. You know, we had a lot of good times, too. But so after that, kind of like when we got a little bit older, me and my brother were just kind of, you know, we come visit my, you know, go back home, visit my parents, stuff like that.

And it's kind of the same stuff. You know, my mom's like, oh, yeah, like, you know, cats. batting out the air and black stuff flying around and like, like nothing changed. But, you know, again, it was nothing bad. You know, and be like, oh, dad, did you know, did you see the guy? He was like, you know, two weeks ago, you know, like, it was just kind of always there. Kind of funny if you think about it. So me and my brother were like, me and my brother were like, well, what's up with this?

Like, we never like went to the cemetery across the house, across the street. You know, it was weird. Like, we just never went there. So my brother were like, hey, let's go check out that cemetery. I mean, we went in it, but we never checked it out. You know what I mean? We never read tombstones or anything like that. Yeah, we'd go in there and like shoot BB guns at each other, you know.

So we go over there and we're like looking at, what was her name? Oh, so we're looking at tombstones, all this kind of stuff. And we find it wasn't kind of like an aha, like, you know, we figured it all out, but it was kind of weird. There was a family plot by the name of Burdock that was a man. It didn't say his first name. It just said Burdock on it. It was really weird.

So I don't know. Maybe his name was Jim. And two little children. One was Sarah Burdock, who was four years old. And her brother, I think it was Timothy. I could be wrong on that, but Timothy Burdock, who was three years old. So there was a family plot with, you know, I guess I don't remember seeing the mother. Maybe it was.

I don't know. It was a while ago. But I remember, like, seeing Burdock, which was the highest stone, which at that time would have been the father. You know, usually the, what do they call it? Is that the patriarch of the family has the highest tombstone? I don't know. But usually, they're like, that's, you know, the king of the family has the biggest tombstone. So I'm guessing that would have been the father.

And then to the right. of the father, would have been the supposed to two little kids. And then a couple of years later, I'm almost at the end, but a couple of years later, I got married and whatnot. And I kind of, I've never been really open about this, to be honest with you. I mean, like, I've talked to, like, you know, like people, but, you know, it's not something I've run my mouth about, because it's personal, you know. And so I open up some of the time.

my wife about it a little bit. And she was, you know, she's, you know, pretty open-minded. And she was like, wow, it's really interesting. She was, do you ever go to the library and, like, look at the records right there? No, you know, I just went to the cemetery a couple years ago, you know. So she's like, yeah, let's go down the library. I'm like, all, let's check it out. So go down to the library.

And across, okay. So where the house was up on the hill across the street would be to the left was this across almost like diagonal from the house would be the cemetery, but it's like across the road. I could probably hit like a five iron to it if I, you know, hit the ball just right. So anyway, we looked at the map of the grounds and there was a church. I can't remember what it was. I think it was a, it might have been a Quaker church that would have been to the road. right of the cemetery, which would make sense because there was a house there at this point, because it was a big piece of open land.

But, you know, people usually put a cemetery next to a church, I guess, right? So, and it turned out that that church burned to the ground. Not saying that this family died in the church when it burned. I don't know. Like, it just said that the... we read, it said that this church burned. I don't know if there was deaths or whatever, but there was a very large fire in this church burned to the ground. And the other thing that it did is that there was large fields. And I guess there was a massive fire that just almost like a, it wouldn't have

been a forest fire, but like a field fire or something like that, hayfield fire, I guess, that got decimated too. So it was kind of validating a little bit, considering like, that weird dream I had a bunch of times with him, like, the man like running across the field, you know, cradling this child. Again, I'm not saying that's what happened, but in my dream I said smoke and fire and the man. So there was definitely just like a lot of turmoil.

The ground was also very wet. There was a lot of water that ran underneath the ground. Like we had willows in our driveway, which is weird for state New York, weeping willows. That's how wet the ground was. And they do say that, you know, I guess spirits, you know, tend to channel through screens and whatnot. Why do they like water and stuff like that?

Yeah, I mean, it just kind of just seemed like a, I don't know, what you'd call it, I guess like a porthole or, you know, some sort of door was just kind of there at the beginning and then just kind of kept getting cracked open a little. bit further. Yeah, absolutely. Stupid kids. Well, let me ask you a question here. And you know, you know what?

Let's take a break first. And when we come back, I'll ask you this question here that goes into this whole other round that we're about to embark on here. So we'll be right back after this break. Okay, we're back from the break. And Jason, do you get the sense that this is something that was part of the house before you guys got there? I mean, because, I mean, all right, so you said that your sister was in the room, then your brother goes into the room.

They both dabbled with, you know, satanic things. And so, I mean, do you think it was something that was attached to that room or the house in general? Because at the same time, and these are all just thoughts that I was having when you were saying this. Yeah. Like, at the same time, you said that your dad saw that Quaker in the car. and from that point, from that point of view, it makes you feel like maybe there's something haunting the family, not necessarily the house.

What are some of the conclusions do you think of? There was, it got to the point where my mom actually reached, my mom was actually friends with the previous owners. She reached out to them at one point and just asked in point blank, like, has anything ever happened, you know? And she was like, no, that house is fine, you know. nothing but again again they didn't live there very long you know um they're only there for a couple years i guess something could happen in a couple of years but um there was no real history with anything

um it could be in this i mean i definitely could look at it with the the family aspect um because when they moved in that's when my Sister kind of started, you know, at a very young age, just acting out, like, horribly. I mean, I don't think ever suddenly we're with a bad seed, but, I mean, she was just like, it's a mean thing to say, but, I mean, you know, just, like, don't kill the cat, you know? But, yeah, it could be because, like, my mother's side of the family does have that tendency, I guess, you know. you know, her and her sisters, not my mom so much.

She was always just, not dismissive, but not as into it as my, you know, like my aunt, her sister, Marilyn, was extremely intuitive, you know, to the point of, you know, I don't know what you want to call it, maybe psychic abilities, stuff like that. But nothing, nothing crazy beyond that. Okay. I did move to New Orleans after for a period of time. Actually, before I met my wife, it was kind of after college, before marriage, all that kind of stuff. And I don't know. I mean, that's just the city. But it was something that, like, I hadn't felt since I, you know, moved away from my home.

You know, my college dorm wasn't haunted. So when I got down to New Orleans, I did have almost that kind of same energy kind of thing. But it's just so, I don't know if you ever, I'm sure you haven't. Have you been down there? No, but I mean, I've talked to plenty of people from New Orleans and any kind of haunting experience that you have in New Orleans, I'm sure it doesn't surprise anybody. That city has, you know, such a history with voodoo and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

So I don't know, you know, that kind of flared up. Flared up. Yeah, it kind of, you know, my, and I didn't go down there with like, ooh, let's find some ghosts. Like, I'm not, I'm not that guy. Right. I'm not, like, seeking this stuff out. But I did happen to take an apartment across the street from one of those, you know,

raised cemeteries. And I would have, like, kind of almost the same thing with the shadow figures and stuff like that. one day I did see pretty clearly a, you know, kind of a pale, it wasn't a woman, it was a girl, pale girl, probably 18 or 19 with like long black hair, just kind of walked by my door. But that was it, you know. So, but the house thing, it was just, you know, kind of just how it went through the family. I always thought it was kind of interesting to say, you know, put it mildly, you know, how my father, the biggest skeptic, you know, was the one that was kind of, you know, caught the big end of the stick, you know, after, you know. But again, you know, he never really, it kind of, it definitely freaked him out. But one time he actually tried that.

He was like, I'm like, I don't know what it was like the day. or whatever. I was actually there. This is actually kind of a good story, I guess. So we're standing in the living room. All of a sudden I see my father like sprint over like to the window and he's like, there, there. And I knew when he said there, you know, because I've been like dying to like, I want to see this guy, you know. I'm like, dad, where?

He's like, he's up on the hill. So like we shoot out the slider, the sliding glass door and like, made my dad are like running up the hill. I'm like, Dad, I don't see anything. He's like, he didn't either. He was like, where did he go? Where did he go? Like, he was trying to catch it. You know?

Like, what did he just ask him a question when he was in the car? You know, like, pull out the questionnaire in the car. Yeah, it just got to that point where he was just like, you know, set a trap. Actually, he went out and got a, he's passed now. But he actually went out and got a, him and my mother went out and bought like an EMF to take.

Hector and all this stuff. And they would get, I wasn't there for it, but you know, I talked to them about it. And they would get high EMF readings in that back room. I'm like, what are you guys doing? Like, you're like retired, like running around the house with an EMF reader. You know, like, you know, ghost hunters here. They got bored, man. Yeah, they did.

They did. They did. Well, I mean. but um your sister and brother did they ever stop doing witchcraft and studying alice or crowley my brother did um pretty much right after that his room got turned um like i said he got really scared um my sister uh who unfortunately i really don't speak to that much um is uh is uh a wick and she has gone that route I guess if you're going to choose a lane um personally I think it's all kind of should be left alone but yeah uh she still still practices I guess I should say

okay yeah I mean I just I find that interesting I would really I really wish we could kind of narrow down because you know you've listened to the show I enjoy you know listening to people's stories and trying to put pieces together. And I really wish I could figure out maybe an origin of how this all started, whether it was already at the house or if it was, you know, something that was attached with the family somehow. I just, because a lot of times, like I said earlier, a lot of times people talk about haunted houses and it really is confined to the house. But in that situation and stuff, your dad experienced something that was not in the house. It was in the car traveling with him. I mean, that that was something that, like, you can't say was confined to the house or chose to stay in the house.

No. It was very much involved in each one of your lives, you know? And I don't know if the, I don't even know if the Quaker is the same entity as what your brother or what your brother and sister's room had going on. And like, it could be, yeah, it could be totally different things. A lot of times people talk about because, because I'm a. open about my faith. A lot of times people, you know, think that I think everything is demonic. And I think a lot of things are demonic, but I don't think everything is. I don't understand everything. I don't have a perfect explanation, but I can tell you this, that because I'm a Christian and I do believe

what the Bible says, you know, it's a, in the Bible talks about King Saul saying that he went to basically a witch and he wanted to communicate to a dead problem. Samuel. And this witch actually summoned Samuel's spirit. And by all intents and purposes, King Saul was actually talking to Samuel, the ghost. And the Bible even called it a ghost. And so like, the Bible didn't say it was a demon pretending to be the ghost of Samuel. It didn't say anything like that. It just said he was talking to the ghost of Samuel. So that, I mean, if you take the Bible and you actually believe what it says, that leads you to believe that there are such things as ghosts and not everything is demons. And that's, I mean, it's a simplistic way to look at things, but that's kind of how I look at it.

So when it comes back to your house, in my mind, there could very well be more than one thing going on there. Yeah, I agree with you 100%. Because that was always kind of the feeling. It was like, like I said, in the early years, that's why I kind of like break it up and just like a trilogy almost because it was like a shift in energy. You know, in the early years, like, you know, chapter one, it was negative. And it was like nasty energy. And then like my brother kind of fell into that a little, you know, and then it was kind of really at the appearance.

If you look at it from, you know, 100 yards with the appearance of the man and the children, you know, they didn't do anything. You know, they just hung out. You know, they were just like, you know, cruising in the car, running around the yard. Right. That, there was like a happy energy, a better energy, I should say. There was still notes of like, oh, this room was called. Like, let's close the door. You know, like, there was still things, but it wasn't as pronounced. It wasn't as bad anymore. So I don't know how something would turn off. Like, they didn't really turn off 100%, but I don't know how something would kind of dampen like that, you know, such a strong kind of negative energy, you know, that if however you want to look at it, you know, it was like, you know, bringing people to the dark side of magic, you know, to make that polar shift. It is kind of strange. You know, it's just I don't understand it, but that, you know, that's what it was, you know. Yeah. you know, even with my sleep paralysis stuff as I got older, if it was sleep paralysis, I don't know, maybe it was being pinned.

Even when I got older, that went away. But in that chapter one, that's when I would wake up and couldn't move at all, you know? Right. You know. And then it just stopped, you know. Yeah, and I find it interesting, not interesting, but I can kind of relate to, because the way you talk about this, you talk as if it's just a matter-of-fact thing. It doesn't buy. bother you. It's just like it is what it is. It's, it's, well, I think actually earlier in the, in the interview, you described it as numb. Like, you, like, you, like, you just come, become numb to the whole, the whole situation and everything going on around you. You do. And, and I can kind of, I can kind of understand what you're saying with that, because, I mean, I would never say that I've experienced anything remotely to what you've experienced with that house. But before I moved into the house I live in now, uh, me and my wife were living in an apartment. And every time I sat and

my chair in the living room and I was watching TV almost like clockwork every time I was sitting in that chair I would see a shadow figure out of the corner of my eye walk across the hallway from my bedroom into the bathroom and I we had we had pictures hanging in the hallway and I would say the way I would see it would be in the reflection you would see the reflection in the in the pictures walking wow in that direction and that's legit yeah And so, like, I tried everything. You know, a lot of times it happened when my wife wasn't even home. So there's nobody else in the apartment.

It's just her and I. And she wasn't there. And, you know, I would try to recreate it. And I would have her actually walk from the bedroom to the bathroom, all that stuff, you know. But it really got to the point where it just, I was numb to it. I just was like, whatever, you know, I know it's going to happen. And it used to freak me out, but now I just don't care, you know. I would just ignore it.

It just got boring. That's exactly it. It's just the power of repetition, I guess, you know. And just to kind of piggyback on your story a little bit, that was the validation to the family. You know, my father was his nose in a book. So when the shadow figures were, you know, walking, there was a certain area where it was almost like kind of what you explain, where they would pass. My father constantly read. He read like a full novel, like three days.

But, um, wow. Like me and my mom, my brothers would be, my brother would be sitting, you know, around the television on the couches and the chairs and stuff. And one of us would be like, did you see that? And it was like, yeah. Yes. Yeah. You know, it was like two, two of three saw it.

All right. You know, we win. Um, yeah. It is. And what that, see, that's what makes me wonder about. You know, the pages in the book, you know, the, you know, the frame, the frames of life, you know, that get trapped. Like, is something on a loop, you know, like in your house that like whatever time it was was, you know, okay, it's going to happen at 10 o'clock, 10.5, you know. Like, is there something frozen in time at that moment, you know?

Because for us, it was always like, like my mother would say, like, oh, it's 8 o'clock. And, like, that's when we would start, like, seeing stuff. I remember it was like 8 o'clock at night. you know, and during the day too, but it was always like when we were together that, you know, that we had a timestamp for that time, you know, but it was kind of all, you know, throughout the day, but it just makes me wonder, you know, like, why do I, you know, why would you see the same thing, kind of in the same area at the same time, you know, something trapped in a loop, you know, unfortunately, you know.

Yeah, and I mean, obviously I've heard of that before and, you know, everybody knows, I'm a truck driver. I'm not a scientist. I don't know how this all works, but I mean, it makes sense that there might be some kind of energy just trapped in looping and not necessarily a spirit, not necessarily a demon or anything like that. Did I just say demon? No, it's demon. I just added a D on the end of it. Yeah, I know. But, you know what I mean? Like maybe it is just some kind of energy, like that just is trapped within this loop of time. But even time itself, they say, doesn't actually exist. So I don't know. Right.

I know. This is getting way too deep for me now. Stern on the phone. Oh, man. Well, there was one thing that, like, always kind of, again, I was never a skeptic, I guess, because, you know, I was touched at a young age with that garbage cat incident. But, um, like Einstein, uh, believed in, uh, believed in spirits because, uh, you know, everything is made of energy and energy never dies.

And I always kind of stuck with me. I'm like, wow, you know, that's a really good point, you know. We are, you know, a ball of energy with, you know, two legs and two arms and a head. So when we die, you know, I do believe in heaven, you know, but maybe our energy just goes up. But maybe some of the energy just stays down, you know. You're part body, part spirit, part soul, you know. So the spirit and soul, I mean, I've done some studies. and stuff on it, and I'm not going to get into breaking it down now. But, you know, there's,

there are two separate things, but they're both on a supernatural spiritual level, I would say. And then there's the body. But even just the body itself, when you die, that body, the physicalness of it is energy, and it returns to the ground. And that, what happens? It literally turns back into what it came from, dirt, right? So you have that. And then, you know, the idea of spirits and souls, like those do, you know, ascend into another realm of existence, you know, like you were saying, the energy goes somewhere. It always does. Sure. It has, well, you know, according to our theory, yeah, it has to. You know, we're not our theory, but the theory. Yeah. Yeah. The only thing I could ever really kind of pick up, you know,

going back to the water thing with that back room is that that room was the close. room to, because, you know, we, we had a well. That room was the closest room to the well. Actually, my mother was when I brought that point up. I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but, you know, to have one room that's just kind of bonkers and, you know, it's near the water well, you know, who knows, you know? Yeah. I don't know, man. It's really interesting stuff, though. I mean, the whole idea of the whole family being haunted and everybody's experiencing things. I mean, that's something I think, I mean, it has to be validation for you, experiencing it, you know, as the youngest kid in the family that you, you're not alone. Everybody's experienced things.

You've seen your dad experiencing things, you know? Everybody's talked about it. Yeah. That was the big thing with my father, where it was just kind of like, like, well, that's thanks, but, oh, thank God. Yeah, because it's like the handcuffs are off now. Yeah, like we're all on the same page, you know. Yeah. Right, absolutely.

Well, man, I really appreciate coming on tonight and sharing with us. That's some fascinating stuff. I really appreciate it. Yeah, I hope I gave you something. Oh, for sure, absolutely. This is a great interview, man. I love talking to you. If you ever want to talk again, let me know.

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