The Confessionals - 484: Tartaria, Hollow Earth, and Giants | Jeff Foran

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

In Episode 484: Tartaria, Hollow Earth, and Giants, we have Jeff Foran from Strangeology podcast joining us! I stumbled across his podcast while looking into a certain topic, and after I heard the information he shares and the in-depth research he conducts, I had to bring him on to The Confessionals. Jeff is the Dan Carlin of strange podcasts, as he will spend hours researching a topic, and then power up his studio and record himself teaching everything there you need to know about that topic. On Episode 484, he shares what we need to know about Tartaria, the mud flood, and how the hollow earth and giants might tie in to them. Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinCONNECT WITH JEFF:Website & Blog: strangeology.comPodcast:Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3TdfsbeSpotify: https://spoti.fi/3VfRBcGSimpleCast: https://bit.ly/3MjvRZmMerch Shop: https://etsy.me/3fZ6u2TSocial Media:Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RSfAf8Facebook: https://bit.ly/3Eym13UMusic: https://bit.ly/3TeFzyySPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!!GET Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGET Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5GET ExpressVPN: www.expressvpn.com/confessCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelOUTRO MUSICMonsters Are Due by Doom ServiceYouTube: https://bit.ly/3CmT5t0https://bit.ly/3CmT5t0Are you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

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All right, friends, listen, we have a great show playing for you today, Tartaria, Hollow Earth, Giants. What could be better than that? I'll tell you. We have Jeff joining us from Strangeology. podcast to talk about it all. And I just want to tell you guys, I found Jeff randomly. I was looking for something on, I forget what topic it was. And I stumbled across his podcast. And I was like, this guy does a good job. I reached out to him. He said he come on. And we talked about all these different types of topics today. Jeff has a very unique show where he focuses on strange history,

paranormal, a lot of different types of topics. But he takes time, studies it. And then he does more monologue-type episodes for his listeners. So it's more of him teaching people very much like Dan Carlin from Hardcore History. That's the very similar format you're getting with Strangeology podcast, only it's more about strange topics. He does a fantastic job, and I think he is going to blow up over the next few years. So please be one of the first people on board with him. Get in now. Don't miss any topics and enjoy the subject matter that he presents to you guys. And I hope you guys enjoy this show. So let's get to Jeff from Strange Olin, podcast talking about Tartaria,

Hollow Earth, Giants, and more. All right, today we got Jeff from Strangeology Podcast. Jeff, what's going on, my friend? Hey, Tony. How are you doing? Thanks for having me on. Man, I'm glad you're here. Listen, I think I found your podcast randomly. I forget how it was, but I came across your podcast and it was like a Hollow Earth episode. And I was looking for

information on something. And I just saw the hollow earth and I clicked on it for whatever reason. Maybe it was a rare situation where I actually read a description of an episode, not just a title. But like I clicked on it and I remember listening to it and right off the bat, I was like, this guy has good audio quality. And it's a shame, but in today's world, a podcast and there's so many podcasts out there, it's still hard to find somebody or find these podcasts that have good audio quality because it's I don't know. People start podcasts, they don't realize that they need to worry about how the quality of their product is.

And you have really good audio quality. And so that caught my ear right away. And I was like, cool. So I looked you up on Instagram and we started chatting and stuff. And I wanted to have you on the show, mainly because I wanted to hear your audio quality live in person. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I come from a background in music. So, you know, having a good sound is crucial to.

what I want to do and how I want to present myself to people. Rocking up on stage for 20 plus years kind of makes you want to do that kind of thing. I'm a little bit of a gearhead. You can probably see some guitars in the background. I've got a recording studio outside of this studio where my band rehearses and all that stuff. And we've got all of her mics set up

and everything to record practices and all that. So, you know, you got to have a drive and a passion. And, you know, it's, you know, when you're first starting out with podcasting and stuff, I don't think my audio was the greatest with my first few episodes. But over time, I've tweaked it and I'm still tweaking it for sure. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. I mean, like, I've mentioned this several times on my show.

Like, I do the Reloaded Mondays where I play an older episode and I cringe every time because I'm like, oh, you know, in that moment, I mean, I'm like, I'm, you know, in that moment, I thought I had good audio quality, but I also knew in that moment there were, I was being honest with myself and there was a lot of things that I was like, this could be better. I just don't know how to do it yet, but I got to figure it out. And so I just kept on building. And I was just telling you before we started recording that literally like two weeks ago, I started doing some new things with the audio that I don't even think people are going to

notice. Like, I don't even think people are going to care or even notice the difference. In fact, me saying this right now is they're like, oh, he changed something? Yeah, I changed actually several things. but I know it's there. It's making my life easier on this end and on top of it, it actually sounds better. Whether people realize it or not,

I'm the one analyzing it every week, you know? All that behind the scenes stuff that people don't realize. Oh, yeah. I know. I know. But listen, man, before we get into the topics of today, because we're going to kind of jump around a little bit on different topics. I found you on Hollow Earth.

So if we hit, hit all, man, man, I'm just about to, I almost drop my gun off the side of my desk here. If I get shot in a leg by accident, just no, it was an accident. Right, we'll have. Hopefully that doesn't happen. Yeah. So, I mean, if we get to Hollow Earth, cool and stuff, but like, you had mentioned that you were going to be, that you recently did an episode on Mud Flood and Tartaria,

Giants is something we might hit on and then younger dryest. Is that what it was? Younger Dryes. Yeah. So, like, different topics and stuff will kind of hit on today and see where things go. But before we get into that stuff, I want to kind of hand it. it over to you. I want people to know where they can find your podcast, but also all the other stuff you're doing because I know that you do the graphic design for your podcast for a reason. You have

your own business. Is the things that you do for your business, things that the people would actually enjoy maybe checking out in a store somewhere. So let us know all about it. Yeah, sure. So Strangeology kind of started in 2020 back at the beginning of the pandemic. I just kind of started it as an Instagram blog, and it kind of has morphed into this whole animal of podcasting. There's a merch shop that goes along with it. I've got a YouTube channel, a Patreon. So, you know, it's kind of all over the place. And I grew up, much like I'm sure a lot of you out there, loving the strange and unexplained.

I was that kid that would go to the school library. growing up and I'd pick up the Bigfoot and UFO books. So that's always just been something that's been a very big interest of mine over the years. And I've decided to kind of turn it into a thing where I wanted to talk about cryptids, the paranormal, UFOs, aliens, ancient history, forbidden knowledge, alternative history type of stuff, like what we're going to be talking about today. It's just, it's super fun. And you can find me on Instagram and YouTube, like I said.

Strange Dotology is the Instagram handle and then Strangeology podcast over on YouTube. I also have a Twitter, but I don't really like Twitter. And I barely tweet. I don't tweet. And I'm on Facebook as well. And TikTok too, which is TikTok's a whole weird thing. you know. Yeah.

Don't get me started on TikTok. Yeah, yeah. I recently just moved off TikTok because of certain reasons. But anyways, that's another story. For sure. And yeah, so I've got a merch shop to strangeology. Dot Etsy.com. I do all my own designs.

Professionally, I was a graphic designer for like 13, 14 years. And then switched to doing my own. thing, really. Occasionally I still freelance, but Strangeology is kind of like my full-time thing now, essentially. I do giveaways every once in a while over on Instagram.

Usually when I do new merch, like I'm wearing one of my pieces right now. Chicago Mothman. And yeah, yeah, recently I did a Flatwoods monster design, and it's actually like Flatwoods monster yesterday and today, Flatwoods and Framtown Monster Days.

if you're familiar with West Virginia folklore and cryptozoology and that kind of stuff. And yeah, so that's kind of like what I do. And I'm just stoked to be here to chat about some weird stuff. Awesome, man. Awesome. Well, I appreciate you being here. And I just want to let you know. And really, I don't need to, but I'm going to because it's going to bother me. I forgot to hit record on Riverside here.

So we're just recording straight to my software, which is why I run backups. like I told you before. Oh, no. It is what it is. So people, when you said about the T-Stra, I was like, oh, yeah, we got that on video. I was like, wait a second, I'm not recording video. So, nope, just audio. There you go.

But, I mean, when you were talking about the social medias and stuff, it was funny because you said that you hate Twitter. And I'm not a huge fan of Twitter. I barely use it. We got like 4,000 followers on there. And it's like a ghost town half the time. Yeah. But in a similar vein, I hate YouTube.

And for many reasons. but really I hate doing video. There's a reason why I'm a podcaster. And I'm trying to slowly reach into video because I know it's needed. But I also, I'm really stretched on time. And you know video is like a whole other animal, bigger files, more editing process, all that stuff. And people on YouTube that they subscribe to the YouTube chain.

We have like over 30,000 subscribers on YouTube. And I posted a video like last week or two weeks ago. And they're like, they'll say things like, man, you haven't uploaded a show in long time. I was wondering if you stopped the show. I'm like, I do a show every week. You just got to, I tell you, I don't know how many times I got to tell you guys. I'm not a YouTuber or a podcaster that does YouTube whenever I feel like it.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's the audiences for different social medias are definitely segmented for sure. People who follow me on TikTok, I have no idea that I have a podcast and an Instagram and a YouTube channel as well. And vice versa for people who follow me. on my YouTube channel. So you kind of have to do that gentle reminder every once in a while. And, you know, it's a whole thing. Oh, it's a total whole thing. And it is what it is. I try whenever I put up a YouTube video to have like a buffer video that's just like, hey, guys, if you're only

coming to YouTube, stop doing that because you're missing a lot of shows, you know? But, and some people are like, well, why don't you just upload to YouTube? It's like, because it's not that easy. Like, like, seriously, like, I, one of the things that my brother's going to do, Because my brother's moving down to Tennessee, and he's kind of start helping with the company and everything. One of the things that we're thinking about doing is starting a daily or weekly vlog where, like, part of his job is to film the day, the interactions and everything that we do. And hopefully through doing that, people see, oh, crap, it's not just hit record and post. Yeah, yeah. It's the whole thing.

But let's get into some of these topics of the day. Now, I know, I think you said, was the most recent episode you did was the most recent episode you did was the mud flood, Tartaria stuff? Yeah, so my most recent episode, I'm not sure when this is airing, but week of September 13th is when the episode's

dropping. Yeah, so Tartaria and the mud flood, it's this crazy conspiracy theory, this idea that showed up in the last few years, that's kind of it's all

about this lost civilization that was covered up only in the 1800s. So it's kind of in not all that far removed from living memory, which is, it's really interesting. And I first started hearing about this theory back in like 2021, so like last year. So it's fairly new to the scene as far as these historical conspiracies go, I think. it first started trending on Google in like 2016, 2017, I think.

And there's all these different, these different ideas that go along with it that I've found throughout my research. And, you know, my episode kind of covers the surface level of each of the facets of this theory. And it's funny. There's not there is a book that's about the Tartarian Empire. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get a hold of it on time before I did my episode. So a lot of it was like going through different message boards and stuff like that to kind of piece together the whole picture.

And it's a pretty complex and expansive picture. So yeah, I what can we first talk about? So, yeah. Let me just lay the foundation here because I don't think we did this earlier as far as your show goes. You do interviews, but you also do what I call monologue episodes where it's just you and it's more of an educational. Here's a topic that we're digging into this week and this is what I know about it. Right. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. And so this episode was one of those, right?

It is, yeah. So yeah, that's probably the bulk of my show actually. interviews are kind of spliced in between a few of my monologue research episodes. So, yeah, it's, this is, it's a fascinating topic for sure, for people who are into alternative history theories and cover-ups and that kind of thing. So one of the first pieces of evidence that people point to for this theory is something called a star fort. They're also known as bastion forts, which according to written history, kind of

started showing up around the 16th and 17th century in Europe. And these structures are these very complex forts. Some of them are like a

five-pointed star shape. They go up to 6, 7, 8 points that have all these kind of like defensive structures. There's larger places that are like cities that have these auxiliary compounds attached to them, these angular canals and waterways and moats that just kind of seem out of place for all of the other kind of architecture at the time. So people who, you know, subscribe to this whole theory, aside from time, aside from

Tartaria, they call it the star civilization. And somebody took a lot of time and effort to go onto Google Earth and find thousands of these things all over Europe, all over Asia, Africa, even North America, and South America. So the idea is that these structures may have been built by this same global civilization that once was on the planet. So it's pretty interesting. I always love looking at Google Earth and seeing if there's old weird structures that you can find. And some of these star forts that people find, especially the ones in, in Russia are kind of you can just barely see the foundation of them.

And that's kind of like the whole Tartarian Empire idea started with people looking at these old world maps that show this supposed country, this empire that took over much of the landmass of Asia. It butted up to like the Indian Empire, like the Mughal Empire, China, as well as Persia and Eastern Europe. And people started thinking like, well, why is this whole area it was labeled on the map, Tartaria, which according to the official explanation, basically means like uncharted, unexplored, wild lands.

And if you know your history, you know that the Mongolian Empire kind of rose out of the steps of Asia with Genghis Khan and then the further kingdoms and stuff. So there's an idea that perhaps this was actually part of like a continuation of the Mongolian Empire

and that these people, the Tartarians kind of started to get technologically advanced. They were able to harness free energy and they had this kind of utopia that

eventually got destroyed by a cataclysm and was covered up by the powers that be. So it's, yeah, it's very interesting for sure. And, you know, there's, I could keep, keep going on this if you want. I mean, we're here to hear you talk about this stuff for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I want to ask you in your research on the topic, I'm looking at pictures here on, on not Google, duck, duck go. And we, I'm seeing a lot of, like you said, the five point of stars. Has anybody mentioned about the Pentagon being a more modern version of that? That's a really interesting idea.

I haven't run across anybody talking about that particular point. But of course, there are like certain structures and patterns within within cities around that do have some interesting implications for that kind of thing. The Washington Monument kind of makes me think more about Tartaria, obelisks, kind of are a big thing, which ties into the whole free energy part of the theory. Back in the 1800s, the World's Fair started back. in 1851 in London. And a lot of people point to the old world's fairs as being this kind of point that was,

they were used to kind of either cover up the remnants of the Tartarian civilization, or they were using all these like massive structures and repurposing them and then demolishing them after. A lot of the old world's fairs were just, they were officially temporary buildings that got put up on like hundreds or thousands of acres in different major cities around the world. Like Chicago in 1893, I believe, is one of like the big ones that people point to. And this place was put together allegedly in like less than a year. And there's all these like massive buildings that were put up. and then taken down, supposedly.

So it's definitely, you know, it makes you wonder, like, how were they able to put all this stuff together, this like horse and buggy society that didn't really have massive construction equipment like we do today. And it's kind of a similar argument to like how were the pyramids built. We still don't really know exactly. but how it ties into Tartaria is that these buildings were constructed by the Tartarians and then either taken over or demolished to kind of cover everything up.

And one of the big things that people tie together with identifying a building as being Tartarian is this building style called Bozar, which rose out of the the French Renaissance during Napoleon III's reign in the mid-1800s. And there's also this style called Second Empire. And it's basically, it's very much inspired by Baroque architecture. And it's very ornate. There's a lot of domes. There's a lot of very tall, unusually tall doorways and cathedral ceilings,

which people kind of wonder, why were the doors so big? Who were these people that were building these buildings that were literally made for giants, which is another branch you can go off in this theory? It's definitely, it's a huge rabbit hole. Yeah. So if you have any questions, stop me because I can keep going. Well, it's that time of year again. We got Halloween right around the corner.

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mentioned about the world's fairs. And I don't know much about the world's fair. I know it's been hosted throughout the world in different cities. And Knoxville, Tennessee is a place where they had a World's Fair from what I understand. This is something that I just recently learned with, they had this very ugly tower in Knoxville, like an eyesore, why is that here kind of looking thing. And apparently they're very proud of it around here because it's when the World's Fair came here and they built it. And so you saying this stuff makes me wonder if the World's Fair was almost like a cover story of a bigger cover up, you know, like what is here in the Knoxville area where I live

that was covered up? I'm very interested in that. And I wonder if there's people out there that maybe know some like more ancient history of this area as to. according to this theory, why maybe the World's Fair would want to cover some things up. Now, is it that every location the World's Fair went to, according to this theory, is it that every place they went to was like a place they were working on covering up this old civilization? Yeah, I think that's kind of the idea.

I mean, they've been in so many spots. And the World's Fair actually still happens today, just I think, on a less grand scale. And usually, like, there were themes behind each of the world's fairs. Like, the first couple were about kind of like the industrialization of the Western world. And then they go on to, like, today they have, like, planning the future of mankind type of thing. So, yeah, it's, you know, like the 1893 World's Fair, they were showcasing off a lot of, like, electricity. this is the time of Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla AC versus DC power and that kind of thing

which makes people think that a lot of this old architecture that was built that's supposedly part of the Tartarian Empire you can look at pictures of all these old buildings that have spires and domed tops like you see in Russia and they have these long metallic spires on top

top of them, which, you know, you think that's probably just a lightning rod, but the idea with this theory is that these towers and with their little antennas were actually somehow free energy devices that were drawing power from the ether of the world, kind of like a zero point energy type of idea. Like you get your power from the vacuum. And this was obviously, for the discovery and utilization of fossil fuels and the fossil fuel industry, all the oil barons and oil tycoons, the Rockefellers of the world and that kind of thing. So this society was global, and they had buildings everywhere, cities and all that with their star forts and their free energy devices. and weird technology. Sometimes if you look at pictures, you type in like Tartarian inventions

and stuff. There's some weird things that come up like the mono wheel, which is a funny, a funny invention that was made in like the 1920s, but South Park did an episode kind of making fun of them. It's a little graphic, so I don't mention the whole details. That's how you know it's a legit topic to talk about with South Park. when it makes it the sound bar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, for sure. But you mentioned, so, Knoxville.

So in Tennessee, there's, in Chattanooga, there's an interesting part that ties in with, so how Tartaria ended was the mud flood, which was this global cataclysm that sank all sorts of, buildings all over the world or, you know, flooded cities and buried them up to an entire building story under mud and earth. And if you ever walk around in cities that have been around for a couple hundred years, you might notice at the sidewalk level that there are arched windowways,

like right where your feet are peeking out from the sidewalk. Have you ever noticed? Have you ever noticed? noticed anything like that? No, but I don't usually notice a whole lot of anything. Well, next time you're walking around Knoxville, see if you can spot any of these. So the idea is that this mud flood, something happened that caused either liquefaction of earth where buildings were built on not super stable soil. And we do have modern day proof of this happening

in certain places in the world where entire city blocks will go down a sinkhole or the dirt and the soil beneath will just kind of, because of like an earthquake or something like that, will just like make the vibrations like so intense in the ground

that a building will just like sink down 10, 12 feet. And so that's kind of like the idea of the mud flood. And whatever this event happened, just kind of took the Tartarian Empire out. And the other world powers at the time, say like the British Empire or something like that kind of came in. And along with the fossil fuel industry, the tycoons and the barons, of wanted to cover up free energy and get everyone dependent on their source of energy and then kind of repurpose old Tartarian technology and say it was theirs and that that's kind of like

how we wound up to today essentially. Wow. Yeah. So this is like a recycling type of theme throughout history, right? This is something that like they're not saying Tartaria, this, that's what they're calling this one, but are they saying that this happens like, a cycle throughout history, like we always reset ourselves this way? You know, it's possible. It makes me think of, you know, stuff like Atlantis, right? And it is an interesting concept, for sure, the cycle of time, the death and the rebirth of humanity going through all these cycles.

And the more and more that archaeologists and pale, Lientologists dig up the past. Like the calendar, the clock on humanity gets set further and further back into the past. Homo sapiens arose around 300,000 years ago. And those people back then were just as smart, just as capable as we are. So why did it take 300,000 years for them to develop agriculture and civilization, the written word, and technology. Who's to say there wasn't something that happened 10, 20, 30,000 years ago?

There was a recent story that there were some mastodon bones found in California that were carbon dated to, I think about 130,000 years ago that had pretty strong evidence that they were attacked and killed off by a tribe of... archaic humans, whether or not they're homo sapiens or a different species of human is unclear, but they had like spear marks on the bones. That doesn't really happen naturally, right? Yeah. So, you know, it is, it is possible that there could be some kind of greater cycle going on. It kind of makes me think of Battlestar Galactica a little bit on my nerd side, right? let me ask you

these people that have this theory with Tartaria and they say the 1800s you said is when this supposedly happened Yeah that's when That's when it kind of got At least the cover-up started And kind of went for a couple generations Up into the early 20th century

Yeah so this So the cover-up started then So when are they saying The actual event of the mud flood covering this civilization and resetting things happened. Do they have a date for that? Some people think that it's in the late 1800s. So, okay, so that, hold on, a second, pause. You're probably going to say what I'm thinking, but let me just say it because it's going to drive me nuts if you don't. How is that possible as far as rewriting history? So if it happened in the late 1800s and we have

a very rich history of like the Constitution being signed in the 1700, How is it is that then underneath that that idea then is it that the Constitution is actually a

fabricated document that isn't really true to begin with? Well, that's an interesting question. You know, throughout my research,

it seems like you know, America was settled by European colonists and like the start

of, America was happened as is but there was this other world power like America was still dealing with the British Empire there was was the Holy Roman Empire was still around I don't think they were France was a global power with Napoleon you know in the 1800s so it it doesn't necessarily indicate or imply that that you know the the United States history is fabricated. I think everything has happened just

the way that we understand it. And ultimately, I should have preface this whole thing was saying, like, you know, the whole Tartarian Empire mud flood idea is very fantastical. But I think there is a lot of stuff that we have

documentation and all that that would show that that's probably not the case. A lot of people point to this CIA document that was from the 1950s that got Freedom of Information Act

request, declassified it in the late 90s that was talking about how the Russians were covering up the Tartarians and kind of getting them to assimilate into the Soviet Union and to

accept communism and that kind of thing. So a lot of people will point to that as kind of like a smoking gun that like, okay, the Tartarians existed and the Russians are the ones who are covering up the whole thing. But the Tatar's, the Tartarian people, you know, officially for history, are Turkic-speaking peoples that live in the Asian steppes, people who are probably descended from the Mongolian Empire and who just kind of assimilated into different cultures of the region. So I wanted to circle back actually real quick, talking about the United States as well. And being in Tennessee, I mentioned Chattanooga before.

The whole mud flood idea, Chattanooga has this underground. I'm not sure if you've heard about it. The city used to flood a lot. And there's like not, there's like, so the city got kind of like moved up a level, I think. They built all these like structures to kind of keep the river from flooding the city streets and they kind of just like moved the road level up a story. So there's this whole underground that in Chattanooga that you can go to. And there's not really a lot of, records of it ever being built. So that's kind of an interesting thing that people sometimes point to. I will say, oh, sorry. I'll hold on a second with that because Chattanooga is like an hour for me.

So like, yeah. So from what you just described, I'm hearing you right, there is a reason for it that lies outside of Tartaria, but there's no record for it because it was built out of necessity, not out of plans. So like they, they, they, they, built up the city because it flooded a lot. So there wasn't like this grand plan to build a city like this. It was, let's build on top of the city to prevent from everybody drowning. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. So that's kind of like, you know, a more realistic approach. And maybe the people were just like, they were desperate because their city kept flooding

all their stores and their commerce and roads were getting destroyed. So they're like, okay, let's do this and get it done. Yeah. Have you ever been to Seattle? No, I don't plan on it either. Well, I visited there a few years ago, and they also have an underground. And back when Seattle was first built, it was on like a salt flat, like outside of the Puget Sound, and the city would constantly flood.

and back then they it's it's kind of a funny funny little piece here of the history is that they had these toilets and they had to put the water tank like up on the ceiling almost because of the water pressure from the Puget Sound and the groundwater

would just cause the water to just bust the toilet tank like lid off whenever it was like high tide so they had to put them up on the ceiling But anyway, there's this whole underground that you can go to. You can take a guided tour. And it's just this really spooky, creepy, cool type of place to go to. Like you're 10, 15, 20 feet under the streets of Seattle.

And there's all these old storefronts that are down there. And it's totally just like bricked off. And there's certain pathways that you can take for the whole tour. But the reason why that's there is because of all this flooding. caused people, city officials, to put the order in to raise the streets a level up. And there's photographic evidence and written documentation of it. And there's also the fact that Seattle

burned to the ground back in, I think, like 1898 or something like that. So it happened kind of in conjunction. How convenient. How convenient. Yes. And the fires, the fires are the cover of of Tar Tartaria. Right. So yeah. But it's interesting. There's one anecdote that I read when I was doing my research for this, and I read this back when I first

heard about the whole theory was that when people were settling America and moving westward, they were actually finding cities like Chattanooga and like Denver and stuff like this that were already built and they had been abandoned by the Tartarians, which I don't think really has any kind of

credibility behind it. But it kind of makes you think of like all these these empty cities that property developers in China build that just like there's all these like big ghost cities

that there's nothing there. It's interesting. Yeah. I would say I just heard this what you're talking about a little bit. I remember hearing somebody talk about how some of these cities have these extravagant buildings and they didn't have the technology

to build it or they built the time was just they didn't have the amount of time they build it shouldn't be possible. And then somebody, I don't know who, I just remember hearing it, referenced City Hall in Philadelphia as one of those two intricate buildings to have built.

But as far as I know, coming from the Philly area, it took them 40 years to build City Hall. Like, it took them a long time. It's a beautiful building. I've been in it, you know, with work and stuff. But, like, it took them a very, very long time to build it.

And so I think sometimes like we take factual information and mix it with the theory verse and also the mythology of things as well. And we kind of create this storyline. Now I'm not saying Tartaria, it doesn't have teeth.

I'm not saying that because trust me, I wanted to have teeth. Like this is juicy. But at the same time, I personally when you were talking and stuff, I was sitting here thinking like, could this turn into like five,

10 years from now what the flat earth thing is now where it's just like it's so divisive. It's just like either if you're not Tartarianist, then you're just an ignorant choosing to be ignorant cloud and people who aren't Tartarianists. They're like, these people are so stupid and just the divisiveness, you know? Yeah.

it very well could be. And obviously there's not really a lot, like, solid evidence in the archaeological record or the geological record for like a global mud flood. So, you know, it's a really cool, interesting theory. But, you know, I think that if there were a lost civilization out there, I would subscribe. more to the idea of something that was like pre 10,000 BC, like, for example, something like an Atlantis. Yeah, I think there's definitely some interesting geological evidence and proof even out there of some kind of global cataclysm, like with the younger driest thing, which is talked about

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to a very advanced technology that we don't want to give them credit to because of the traditional, hey, they were just hairy cavemen walking around, dragging their knuckles on the ground. But it's clear that at some point back then, when you really look into things, it seems like they had some very strong technology and technology that maybe we don't even have today. And Derek floated this idea out and kind of think it was in passing, but it really kind of struck me. it still hits me today, and I'm probably going to butcher how he said it, but it seems to me and to him, like, their use for technology, he said they viewed technology different than what we view it today as, and therefore their uses of technology would have a different purpose and meaning

than what we would have for today. So, like, if we had the technology that they had back then today, we might look to weaponize it more than utilize it for convenience. And so it's things like that that I find very interesting that when you start thinking about the history of humanity and the different technologies that we might have had throughout our human existence may not actually hold the same weight that we would have today because they actually viewed it differently than what we do today. Yeah, yeah. No, for sure. That's definitely a good point. Yeah, I, let's see, how are we going to segue in here? Just do it. Just like a Band-Aid, rip it off. Yeah. What the heck is Younger Dryas?

Right. What the heck is the Younger Dryas? So the Younger Dryas is a period in our geological history from about 11,500 or so 11,300 years ago, where there was this major change in the environment of the planet. planet. There was a mass die-off of, gosh, dozens of megafauna species throughout North America. And it's not really, there's, it's not really known exactly how it happened. There's a few theories. There's a, like a disease killed them off is one of the theories. There's a theory that's humans moving into North America, hunted animals off, like the mammoth, the mastodon, that kind of thing.

And that's what killed them off. But then there's also this black char layer that coincides in the geological record around 11,500 years ago that is found on all of these different bones that are found, which has led to the impact hypothesis. So we all know that there's the the Cretaceous extinction event of dinosaurs where people, paleontologists think that a six mile wide asteroid hit the Yucatan, or what is now the Yucatan, off of the coast of Mexico, and made the Chick-Sloop crater and just decimated almost everything on the planet, except for little mammal rodents, which survived and now we're here. The idea that is supported by Randall Carlson, Graham Hancock, and people like that believe that a comet impacted the Earth back then. And if you also remember, that was back during the last ice age when glaciers were as far south as the Great Lakes and beyond in North America,

as well as the ice cap was covering a lot of Asia and Europe as well. And so there's this event in the geological record that's called meltwater pulse 1B, where there was a rapid rise in the sea level over just a couple of years where the glacial ice melted. And anybody who was building anything on the coastlines around the world got flooded essentially. And we're all familiar with the biblical flood myths.

And it's a very interesting piece of actual archaeological, not archaeological, but geological evidence that something happened that caused the sea level to rise significantly. And obviously humans were around, but according

to our history, we hadn't invented agriculture, yet or we hadn't domesticated animals or built civilization. However, that all changed back in like the 70s when a site in Turkey, along with several sister sites called Gobeckley-Tepe was unearthed. And this was a, or is a megalithic site that has several of these buildings these underground structures, they were buried with all of these

tea pillars and they have all these carvings and everything on it that according to our history shouldn't be there. We shouldn't have been able to move megalithic rocks and that kind of thing

back when these were built, which was around was pre pre-younger Dryas, I believe. But they've dated the layer that they're at right now to about 9,500 BC. So around 11,500 years ago, when the Younger Dryas impact event,

according to the theory, would have happened. And there's what's to say that those sites aren't even older than that, which to me kind of indicates that, along with theories of Atlantis and that kind of thing, that humans were doing some pretty wild stuff when we shouldn't have them. These people were not just cavemen beating animals with clubs and that kind of thing. Sure, there were nomadic peoples still, but there was something technological, I think, going on. And, you know, when you look at the Tameas and Critias by Plato, he talks about,

when he's talking to Solon that he lived in like what 300 BC or so 400 BC that when he's talking about Atlantis in those stories that they happened about 9,000 years before Solon's time, which lines up to about 11,500 years ago when all this stuff was going down. So it's really interesting to me that as far as lost civilizations go, that there could be some teeth to this theory that humans were doing something technological back then. And one of the interesting parts about Gobeckley-Tepe and Carahan-Tepe and places like that is that some people theorize that if they were from Atlantis, it could have been, you know, Atlanteans that survived the great cataclysm that destroyed them. And some of the survivors went on to kind of pass on their knowledge to people who are still nomads and hunter-gatherers to kind of restart civilization to some extent. And whatever happened, though, probably didn't take for a while because there's several thousand years in between like Stonehenge and Quebec Leitepe and also the pyramids and that kind of stuff.

So yeah, and how it was all built is just like, you know, mind boggling to me. So it's like they're like, hey, we need rebuild society. So all these people we've been avoiding them, let's go show them how to build fire now. Like they've been tortured enough. No, but it, like, so you, you, uh, looking into these topics and stuff, like what we're talking about the day, not broadly, but what we're talking about today, uh, the mudflut, Tartari, younger dryas. What rationality do you come to with this stuff? Like, uh, because some of it surely, I mean, you have to at least give a little bit of credit to, uh, and just say, maybe, you know,

but if there is a maybe, like, just say that maybe is, you know, yeah, it has, like, Let's just say it happened, right? Like, that's the way it worked. Why would you theorize that there would be this push to not let humans today know the true history? Like, why cover up a history like that? What would be the point of, like, why not just tell us that, hey, you know, like, there was this huge mud flood. It covered our buildings. And, you know, that's what it is.

Like, why do we need to cover that up? Right, right. Well, with the instance of Tartaria, which I subscribe much less to than the theory of Atlantis, I would think that the free energy aspect is a big thing with that. The fossil fuel industry, the banking elite and that kind of thing would probably benefit to not have people know that there is a way to access energy for free in a way that benefits all of humanity versus just a select few that are becoming billionaires and trillionaires over the decades and centuries, right? And as far as something like, you know, Atlantis, older civilizations that were pre-flood anti-deluvian type of thing,

I think a lot of that could be tied to, how do you put it, like academia and a kind of a dogma that goes along with that. You know, the old heads that are in the profession have their books and their stuff out, their dissertations that say, this is how things went down and anything that challenges this idea is wrong, right? There's not really a lot of entertaining of alternative ideas. And it's interesting with Graham Hancock, who's a lot of people in academia and stuff, consider him like a crackpot, right? They don't really take his ideas seriously. But then there's evidence now, I think in Greenland, of an impact event that actually happened around the time of the Younger Dryas,

which he's been theorizing this stuff since the 1990s. So we're going on 30 years, and now there's actually, you know, evidence coming out that something happened that wiped out the megafauna, caused the sea level to rise, wiped out the Clovis people that were in North America at the time. And, yeah, it's,

I think that, you know, higher ups in academia would potentially have their careers tarnished in some way, which I think is kind of silly. It's like, well, hey, you know, there's this other whole chapter of human history that could be out there. Like, why aren't we looking at this under a serious light? Yeah. No, I agree with you. And it, to me, it doesn't make sense in the sense that, like, you, all right, so these people, they wrote their dissertations, they wrote these papers, these peer-reviewed papers on on on on this stuff and anything the challenges that can't be challenged why i mean at what point in at some point in your life you didn't believe what you're saying is true now because you

were studying you were learning and you came across this information you came to this idea that you pushed forward and everybody accepted and so that now we believe it if there's more information out there that challenges your idea that information gets us closer to truth and you and and and at one point your life, you didn't believe this. Now you do. So why not just say, okay, well, we're, now we're basically where we're at now is where I was five years ago or 50 years ago. And now we're transitioning with new information to even more enlightenment. I think it's incredibly selfish and self-serving that academia goes this direction so many times with so many different topics and stuff. They're not in it for the truth. They're not in it for for anything, like even with science today.

stuff. So, like, I don't have a whole lot of respect for academia. Okay. So, like, I'm not, I'm not saying I'm a genius and I know everything. I just don't like their attitude, so I don't like them. You know, so I don't, I don't get along with them very well. Uh, anybody who's a professor listens to my show, I'm sure I like you, though. Who knows? Maybe I won't, though. Yeah, yeah. I think it's, it's important to, to keep an open mind and, uh, you know, look at things critically and, and, and skeptically, of course, but to an extent, you know, you don't want to just approach everything in the world with, like, you know, my worldview is the worldview.

Everything else is wrong. I think that's, you're going to, you're doing a disservice to yourself and to our society. Well, like what you just said, I mean, like my worldview. So, I mean, literally, they're saying that they are the arbiter of truth, and therefore their worldview is the worldview and that there is no other worldview. And even their worldview, when they're crossed with information that challenges it,

they willingly choose to accept their worldview over any other new information. I just think it's kind of silly. Like, like, you know, I don't know, man. Like, it's just this round and round and round and we go kind of circle. And it gets me, listen, man, you're getting me grumpy. I'm getting grumpy talking about this.

It drives me nuts. Yeah, yeah. I suppose they say that history is written by the victors. And, you know, how would our world history look if, you know, Hitler won World War II, right? Like, yeah, it's all kind of, you know, an interesting way to look at things. Yeah. So let me ask you about this thing. You touched on just real briefly the Giants.

Now, do the Giants have anything involving? younger Darius Tartaria or are they their own thing and they have nothing to do with these ancient structures and cities? So yeah, so I did a two-part series on my current season of the podcasts and I looked into a lot of different avenues of the theory about giants and some people theorize that the reason why the Beaux-art style architecture that people claimed to be Tartarian had these gigantic doorways and these huge cathedral ceilings was that because Tartarians, at least some of them, might have been giants, people who were eight, nine, ten, or more feet tall. I'm not sure there's really any evidence to support that, per se.

but in my journey of exploring the idea of giants actually starts kind of with Gobeckley-Tepe and that there's certain architectural elements like on the T-pillars that you can kind of find this interesting trail that goes across Asia like into India, Southeast Asia,

into the Indonesian archipelago all the way to Easter Island that have this really interesting motif with the architecture, where the, for instance, the tea pillars in Gobeckli-Tepi, and they have a relief carving of what's supposed to be a person, and they've got their hands resting down around their groin area. and you can find this same design in Sumatra, in the South Pacific. You can also find it on the Moai statues on Easter Island. So there's an interesting connection. It's like where these people kind of migrating all the way to there.

And then there's a lot of interesting connections between Easter Island and the people who were the owners of the paracus skulls, like elongated skulls and legends of red-headed giants in South America, Mesoamerica, North America, as well as like the mound builder civilization, where supposedly there were these giants skeletons that were found around all these mounds that are in the North American Midwest and all the way down the Mississippi Valley. And there's also legends out in the southwest

of a tribe of red-headed cannibal giants that were killing off and eating Native American tribes there until they had decided to fight back and then they basically chased them into a cave and starved them out and set fire to the cave and killed all the giants. So it's interesting just kind of like following these breadcrumbs. It's like, okay, so were the people that built Gobeckley-Tepi

and all these other sites along this trail? Like, were they giants? Were these red-headed giant people? And if they were, who were they? Where did they come from? We don't really know. There's some theories that talk about the denisophiles. people who are only just a recent discovery.

They were found in Denisova Cave, which I think is, it's in like southern Russia, kind of near the border of China, this other hominin species that were similar to like Neanderthals, but they, I think they were closer, more closely related to the Neanderthals than they were to Homo sapiens,

but there were some interbreeding that happened. but the bone fragments that have been found, I think there was like a tooth and some other bones that indicate that these people were massive. They might have been giants. I'm not entirely sure. There's other people who say like, oh, no, they were probably short like Neanderthal.

But we just don't know the full picture yet. But it is interesting to kind of follow that trail. and have these legends of giants within North America and South America that kind of have this connection to the old world as well. And who were these people? There's legends of giants and most cultures of the world. In Sumatra, there's legends of giants who live underground that were also cannibals that would come up to eat people

and then they have this whole underground cave network throughout the islands and the area that they use to get around. And they only come out at night. So nobody really knows that they exist. So, I mean, all right, on that note, I mean, I could ask you more about that. But what you, like I said in the beginning, I found you with that hollow earth episode.

I don't even remember listening to the whole thing. do you draw conclusions when it comes to hollow earth? Like what you just shared and stuff, do you think there's legitimacy to the idea that there could be like this hollow earth, almost like a civilization under the earth kind of thing? So, like, hollow earth with like a sun in the center, that kind of model, I don't believe it.

I don't think that's possible. I think there could potentially be like large cavern systems where there could be something that has gone on maybe a race of giants or some kind of breakaway civilization could have potentially

gone underground and kept developing their technology. There is like a theory that maybe the UFOs, the UAPs that we see are part of this breakaway civilization and they live under underground and in our oceans and that kind of thing. So, you know, whether or not

that's true, it's hard to say. I think it's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure, you know, if we have a lot of evidence to back that up beyond hearsay. I got you. Yeah. I wasn't sure like how you, how you viewed the whole hollow earth thing, beings that you dove into it. For me, And when I say I mean neither when it came to the sun thing, I do want to say that I don't know. I mean, like, you're talking to somebody. Like, I very much believe in alternate dimensions. And could there be some kind of like alternate dimension transition that that's

involved with the whole inner earth thing? I don't know. But more so, to me, I'm like, yes, hollow earth is real because we have caves. We know that these caves go deep. therefore there is a certain amount of hollow to it. And could things be existing in there? Well, certainly. We know that bears and tiger,

or not that tigers, a mountain line, I'm thinking, they go into caves and stuff like that. I mean, I always think about when I was younger, I used to kind of like jump face first into caves. And now I'm like,

freaking idiot, man. Like, you don't know what's in there. But like, that said, why not? these bigger cave systems and I do believe

that there are caves that we haven't been able to find you like Tennessee has the most caves than any other state in the country like surely there's got to be caves that we haven't found

yet here in Tennessee and so oh yeah and we just not we that I think it was in China they just found that gigantic cave that seemed like

it have its own ecosystem inside because and I think that's a little stretch as far as like when the people say ecosystem the pictures that I saw it looked like things grew in this giant cave because it was like this huge cave in the

ground and the sun was shining through this giant hole in the ground kind of. It wasn't like it had its own like maybe it did have its own system. I don't know. I'm just a stupid podcaster. I don't freaking know. But like it wasn't to me it wasn't like the land before time where you like it's like oh look at all the dinosaurs down here. You know? Right. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, I find the hollowware topic interesting. I haven't done a episode on Hollow Earth in a long time. I don't know. Maybe I should do something like that again in the future. But listen, Jeff, man, I appreciate you coming on and sharing this stuff. I look at you and what you're doing with your podcast. And I think it's a medium undervalued

in the sense that I think that what you're doing with the research and then talking to people about it, the way you go about it. I've heard the show. The quality is good. The way you speak is good. you remind me of the Dan Carlin of strange podcasts. Like the way you're going. Like if you said to me, hey, I think I'm going to change my formatting. And I think I'm going to maybe not come out with as many episodes.

But when I come out, it'll be like an entire series. And it's going to be like 12 hours. We're going to drop it in three hour segments. I'd be like, yeah, actually that would work for you because the way you go about things, it would be amazing.

And that's not for everybody. Like, I could never do that. but I'm just saying like that's good. When I hear your show and stuff and when I look at it, it's kind of what it reminds me of. It's like, you're going to sit down, you're going to learn about all the strange,

weird stuff in the world. And it's done in a way where it's very, it's responsible and it's just, it's fun. And so I don't know. Thanks, man. Yeah, I don't know if Dan Carlin is everybody's cup of tea,

but he's done pretty well for himself over the years. That's what you remind me of. Oh, thanks. So with that said, tell the people where they, can get themselves some Strangeology podcasts and all that other good stuff. And tell, hey, I don't know if you mentioned this in beginning. You mentioned the band.

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